/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5602841
Whatever doom clone or RTS point n clicker was selling at the time.

>>5602841
>WinXP?
Not retro

>>5602841
Microsoft Monster Truck Madness

>>5602868
BIG FOOT
IS DOIN IT
IN THE AIR

Starcraft

>>5602861
Don't be such a party pooper. XP games are almost two decades old now.

>>5602841
The best Win95/Win98/WinMe games are all going to be the same. Win2K is retrobut even then the games are going to be the same as for those others unless they run in real-mode DOS in which case they aren't Windows games at all.

tl;dr - You really don't have to separate them that way, just separate them into DOS and 32-bit Windows (and 16-bit Windows if you really want).

>>5602861
It isn't retro, but it's often the best compromise OS. You gain shit like easy USB 2, and SATA is almost universally available by the time you get in to the big XP years, making it that much easier to choose your storage. But with that, you still get access to older drivers, better compatibility, etc

>>5602841
>best
Dual boot XP/98SE, but you may infrequently use 98.

>>5602841
XP can't run DOS natively

Coconut monkey pc games

Dungeon Keeper
Theme Hospital
Resident Evil 1,2 and 3
Tomb Raider up to Chronicles
MDK
Alien Trilogy (requires 200MHz or less CPU)
Quake 1, 2, 3
Doom I & II
Age of Empires I & II
Pharaoh
Sim City 3000
Phantasmagoria
7th Guest
Myst
Carmageddon

>>5602841
Half-Life
C&C Red Alert
Need For Speed 3 Hot Pursuit
Homeworld
Descent 3
Freespace
Incoming
Rogue Squadron
Unreal Tournmaent
Quake 3 Arena
Nuclear Strike

>>5602881
Agreed.

I am still trying to figure out what to use.

>>5603158
I know Win98 has a 128GB limit. So would it be best I install J-Win 98SE on a 120GB SSD and leave it. Or would it work to use a 1TB Seagate Firecuda and have a 120GB partition for J-Win 98SE with the remainder set to 2000/XP NTFS? Will that latter option, if possible, keep from the errors associated with larger than 128GB HDDs? A dual boot sounds nice.

Halo is my favourite retro PC game. :)

>>5608520
>SSD
Too much hassle, you'd need to run a manual TRIM tool to keep the drive healthy. Partitioned HDD for dual boot is easier, and you can do things like share a Program Files folder and swapfile (though if you have a small and fast second hard drive you should stick shared swap on that, on a separate IDE channel from your OS drive). Don't dedicate a swap partition on the same drive as your OS like old-time unix people liked to do, you'll wear out that one physical portion of the drive disproportionately fast and you'll pull the drive heads away from the OS/application partition every time you hit swap. Without a second hard drive, it's better to keep swap on the same partition as the OS partition you'll be using the most, and keep it defragmented (no matter where you put it). Then again there's some patch out there that will allow you to go higher than 127GB.

You should be fine on RAM since it looks like you're going with a Pentium III on a compatible board. If it's an Intel 810e or something you'll be capped at 512MB but if it's a VIA board (I can't tell) you may be able to go up to 768MB. W98SE cap is 1GB anyway I think, but I also think you can force it only to see a certain amount if you have more installed. Been a looong time since I set up a throwback build, that may need a patch. If I'm wrong and that's a P4 on some 845 board, also mind the W98SE CPU speed cap, 2.0 GHz I think (again, maybe needing a patch).

Your 6800 is a great card with official Nvidia driver support but unofficially, high-end 7-series cards also work with W98SE drivers (maybe INF hacked). It should even be much faster than any real Voodoo card on GLIDE games with an API wrapper.

Wish I remembered what needed patches and what didn't, just wanted to give you an idea of what's possible.

>>5608563
Not retro. The game engine used was released in 2000.

>>5609178
I think that was his joke, there's a big push to roll the cutoff of the board forward these days

>ctrl+f
>no Mech Warrior/ Mech Warrior 2

https://www.comeonson.com

>>5602902
Read the rules

>>5609197
No there's not. There's the same small push there's always been. It's nothing new and nothing will change.

>>5609178
Since when do we go by "game engines"? Does that mean Call of Duty is retro since it's running on idtech3?

>>5609295
>you're a contrarian
>no, I'm not. Tell me how I'm a contrarian
>you did it again
>no, I didn't

>>5602841
>XP
>retro
that's gonna be a big oof and yikes from me

>>5609147
>you'd need to run a manual TRIM tool to keep the drive healthy
You're basically writing to it once to install all the shit you want and then virtually never again.

You know I had to sage and report it to em.

>>5609325
what about Windows 2000?
its funny to think it came out roughly 1 yr between 98se and xp.
xp just stuck around forever - so long in fact that a lot of the kids who get nostagic for it don't realize that a lot of people hated it when it came out and stuck to 9x/2k until around the time sp2 came out

>>5609304
zoom zoooom little zoomie

>>5610107
Windows 2000 was meant for buisness applications, so games on that thing that aren't made for prior OSes are slim pickings.

>>5610163
That's like saying Windows XP Professional was meant for business
There was absolutely a place for gaming on W2k (NT 5), which was very close in structure to XP (NT 5.1) but generally gave better performance in the earlier days of XP while also allowing for NTFS. You even used to be able to run Steam.

NT4? Totally different story. In that context, your argument makes sense.

>>5610163
2000 ran virtually everything XP did. The biggest pain in the dick had nothing to do with 2000's compatibility, but with overbearing installers/programs that would refuse to run if they didn't detect XP. And even those ran fine anyway once tricked into doing so.
t. Stuck with Win2K until 2006.

>>5603595
>>5603853
most of these games work fine on Windows 10, wrappers or not

if you're going to waste money and time on le epic win98 computer, why not aim for games that have real problems running on new hardware, for example using abandoned long ago APIs like WinG?

>>5609280
Battletech: Crescent Hawks' Inception or bust. I wish they made more games using that engine. Incorporated more mechs (heavies and assaults please), more weapons, had planet-hopping, etc. It was one of the coolest stealth-RPGs of the time.

Also, yes. Not Windows, just plain DOS. I know.

you have a lifetime worth of doom wads and half life mods

>>5610314
And all of them are amateur-grade trash that's not worth anybody's time of day.

>WinXP
Not retro.

>>5609147
Thanks for the advice (I am impressed you recognized the items). My biggest hangup is the HDD/SSD and OS setup. In gathering parts one anon said a SSD would be fine, as a 120GB is affordable and is under the Win98 127GB limit. So even if the SSD was partitioned for only 80GB and the remainder left unpartitioned would not be good enough for junk collecting and a dedicated manual TRIM tool necessary? I have a spare 1TB and a 2TB Seagate Firecuda drives but those are rather large for 98SE so if they can be used ina dual-boot manner it would work out (I still have to look up how to do that though). The shared scratch disk for page/swap file on a separate HDD sounds like a great idea, but it seems wasteful with the drives I have available but I will try to save up for the suggested part.

> retro windows games thread
> no 3d dinosaur adventure or castle of the winds

https://archive.org/details/win3_CasWin1

>>5609147
>>5611021
What are some good manual TRIM tools?

>>5610405
IBM-PC was launched in 1981, which means, by following the logic of the rules, any game released for the PC is in fact retro.

No where in the rules does it state an operating system can or cannot be retro. Prove otherwise.

Onetime in the computer lab at school I got my ass demolished in pinball space cadet

>tfw playing computer games via dosbox and wine on GNU+Linux

I was always a big fan of Cyberstrike 2.

>>5609281
Don't care faggot

>>5611464
*smashes your skull with a baseball bat and laughs as your brain explodes*

>>5611845
>*action*
cringe

>>5611021
>Eternal Odyssey
Is that a game by Sunsoft?
I can't find any info in Sunsoft wikipedia (en/jp).
Found a youtube video of this game, but it's' a Chinese port with Cantonese (I think) VA.

>>5611887
>letting everyone know you cringed
Yikes.

>>5602841
3D Movie Maker

>>5610034
Except tempfiles, logs, and swap, which you can admittedly keep very small and rarely hit at all (though every version of Windows behaves better if you have at least a small one on the OS partition instead of disabling VM or moving 100% of all swap to a second drive, something I forgot to mention before to anon).

>>5610163
>>5610183
>>5610190
I also used 2K until the mid 2000s when it finally made sense for me to move to XP (standardized MS WPA supplicant, needed to be able to share the PC while staying logged in, real hyperthreading support). 32-bit Windows games ran fine on it, (as they did on NT4 also, as long as they didn't need a modern DirectX version), and the compatibility tab in XP properties pages for executables was an official add-on that you could install on 2K also.

>>5611021
Without TRIM, garbage collection does a lot of extra work moving unimportant data around that should otherwise be marked for erasure instead. You really should do it at least periodically if you don't have OS-level TRIM to maintain the life of the drive. Problem is, I don't know whether any TRIM tools run on anything older than XP.

Even if you use the SSD as an OS drive, leaving unpartitioned space shouldn't be necessary as long as you make sure not to fill it. On a modern drive you can partition all of it and manually reserve the final few gigs or so for emergency use only. Your 120GB is probably a 128GB with 8GB of overprovisioning anyway, and you're not using SATA-600, you're adapting down to ATA-133 at best and you're not doing tons of writes. Your SSD controller will be doing internal garbage collection faster than that with stock overprovisioning.

Do you still intend to dual boot if you use the SSD as your OS drive?

>>5611417
Whatever comes with your drive, or some defrag tools (of course don't defrag an SSD) have TRIM-only options.

Are the Gothic games any good?

>>5613347
Not retro. Ask /v/.

>>5613402
Dude, the first Gothic came out in 2001. How the fuck is it not retro?

Lego Island and Lego Island 2.

>>5613402
incel

>>5613483
>Dude, I'm gay, please reply to me

>>5610107
I used Windows 2000 up until 2008 when XP service pack 3 finally unfucked XP. >>5610163 doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't recall ever encountering anything that ran on XP that didn't also run on 2000 during that time.

Go play Serious Sam.

Anything game that doesn't play on Windows 98 or earlier is not retro.

>>5614001
not retro

>>5614010
The first one works on 98, so it is retro.

>>5614010
see
>>5611464

>>5611464
>>5614028
By that logic, if a game can't play on a 1981 IBM-PC, it's not retro.

>>5611841
back to /v/ then kiddo

>>5614036
Nope, it's using the same logic as being allowed to discuss console games released after 1999 here.

Only games that use DirectX1-7 are retro. DX8 and later are NOT RETRO.
Likewise, OpenGL versions after 1.2 are NOT RETRO.

>>5614109
Your mom isn't retro.

>>5602902
it's time to go /v/ack where you belong, faggot

>>5614164
SEETHING

>>5609281
Prep the bull

Is Episode 1 Racer better on PC or Dreamcast?

This was my first Command & Conquer, and it was based.

>>5610107
>what about Windows 2000?
I remember Win2k needing service packs to be able to run games. IIRC NWN needed SP3 just to launch without an error.

XP technically had the same kernel but was a lot more user friendly hence its staying power.

>>5602841
myst

>>5610107
This.
All I remember about XP when it came out was hating the shit out of it and my friend making a shitty MS Paint edit of the XP logo saying “Microsoft X(treme)P(iece of crap)”
Boy was being 12 full of cringe.

>>5611417
I was lead to believe to let the SSD do its own garbage collection but I also noticed there are some Intel SSD tools. I am not clear if I should/could use the 120GB SSD for Win98SE at this time.

>>5611898
Yeah, it is at least published by Sunsoft. I have a few games that are not listed in Wikipedia and I've found Wikipedia errors/misinformation a few times too regarding games or manga, so it can happen where you run into the small chance of incorrect information if you look hard enough.

>>5612971
I had only intended to use J-Win 98SE, therefore I thought the 120GB SSD could work. My only other spare HDDs I have are the hybrid drives from Seagate but in 1TB and 2TB which are a waste if all I can use is 120GBs, even moreso if I can have a page/swap file on a separate drive. Maybe, I am just searching fora better option in what drives I should save up for this J-Win 98SE build (I already got a couple of SATA to ATA IDE adapters). I just considered the XP dual boot idea from the above post as maybe a way if I can set a 1TB to have its first 120GB for 98, and the remainder to NTFS for 2k/XP in order to make use of wasted space.

>>5603853
I'm adding to my list:

Comanche Gold
Postal
Death Rally
Expendable
Sanitarium
Blade Runner
Sim City 2000 Special Edition
Nightmare Creatures
Screamer 2

>>5615731
Adding again:

Icewind Dale
Eye of the Beholder trilogy
Aliens vs. Predator (1999)
Redneck Rampage

>>5611021
Nigga upload the Eva Mahjong game.
It's nowhere to be found online. The one on the right at least.

>>5615760
Yet again:

Alpha Centauri
Grand Theft Auto
Imperium Galactica II
Total Annhilation: Kingdoms

>>5611927
I played that and all I could manage to create was one guy running for 5 seconds in a circle. It was a bit much for a kid.

I just snagged this sexy ass bitch with 600 mhz duron and some geforce card for 10$.

>>5614010
This 2006 game is retro, but the Serious Sams aren't?
Just fuck off, retard.

>>5617182
PC Gaming has always played by different rules compared to consoles since it isn’t really limited by generation and new platform releases.
Unreal tournament, serious Sam, and Max Payne etc are all stuck in the no mans land of retro-yet-contemporary

>>5617207
If recent console games get a pass based on their hardware specs, then computer games should follow the same rationale as well.

So in other words, if a PC game can run on a 233mhz cpu with 8mb vram and 32mb ram then it should be considered retro regardless of the game's year of release.

SCORCH.EXE

>>5617257
autism.jpg

>>5611845
Cringe

>>5613402
>Seriously... There's a time and place for that. And this isn't, faggot.

>>5616569
Nice... Soup it Up.

>>5615384
>let the SSD do its own garbage collection
GC and TRIM aren't the same thing. TRIM makes GC more efficient and reduces the wear that even GC itself puts on the drive.

Anyway, since dual boot isn't a main goal of the build and your HDDs are all big, then for simplicity's sake I'd partition the whole 120GB of the SSD for OS and programs and just remember never to fill it, set swap on C: to be some fixed nominal amount like 32MB, and run a FAT32-compatible TRIM tool every 10 boots or so (from an XP boot cd if needed).

>Worms World Party is retro on Dreamcast and PSX but not retro on PC and Gameboy Advance
Fuck this board's retarded definition for retro.

>>5617886
Yeah dreamcast is not fucking retro. Retarded mods

>>5617886
>Worms World Party is retro on Dreamcast and PSX but not retro on PC and Gameboy Advance
As long as one iteration of it is on a retro console, the mods don't care. You can discuss any version you want. We've had threads about Zero Mission, PS4 and VC ports, and even the FF7 remake. Threads regarding the GBA's GB-backward capabilities are also okay.

>>5618105
Not entirely true, I've had posts of retro games pruned before just because the boxart image was of a version for a non-retro system.

>>5618120
I've had the same happen, but you can prevent that by explaining in your post how the game is retro, or by clarifying the release date. Mods usually pay attention to those notes, or at least they have in the cases when my posts were deleted.

How's this compare to the GnG games? Worth getting on steam?

>>5614006
Great! So let's discuss Halo.

>>5618352
Superfaggot detected.

>>5618928
98SE was released in 1999, so, fair enough.

>>5602841
If I could get it working again, that'd be awesome.

>>5619008
It’s not about the operating system, it’s about the game engine. Try thinking logically instead of being a complete retard all the time, you might even end up with a girlfriend or something.

>>5618928
jej go post this image in the Doom thread

>>5619024
1. tell me more about this "girlfriend" thing
2. if the game plays on something that was made/released before 2000, it's retro (or please explain why you disagree)

>>5619024
Where in the rules/sticky does it talk about game engines?

>>5602861
>>WinXP?
>Not retro
You take that back.

>>5619048
No, retard

>>5619030
>>5619041
From the rules: “Platform”
Ask yourself: when it comes to determining the era of a game on a computer, does it make more sense for the word platform to describe the game engine or the OS? If you answered OS, you might be clinically retarded and have a lot of learning to do. BTFO

>>5619079
>platform can't mean OS
Why? If you can play Halo on an old Gateway, how is it not retro?

Also, still waiting on that gf question answer.

>it's the "millenials trying to gaslight /vr/ into giving in and accepting 2000s games" episode

>>5619089
I've never even played Halo, and I'm relunctantly defending it.

>>5619087
>im a zoomer who doesn’t understand the basics, please help me not be so retarded
Just fucking go discuss Halo on a Halo forum, holy shit.

>>5619079
>does it make more sense for the word platform to describe the game engine or the OS?
Neither. It makes sense to define it by the hardware which the game runs on. If I can play it on my old Pentium box with a Voodoo card then it's undeniably retro.

>>5619140
Oof

>>5602841
minesweeper

>>5619079
>platform means game engine

stupidest thing i've ever read on this dumbass board

>>5609297
Probably not since mods are consolefags and hate applying the same ">2000AD is retro" logic for PC parts and software.

>>5612971
>>5610190
Didn't know about WinXP-only installers.

For me the only reason to install XP over 2000 is Service Pak 3 which allowed duo-core support. But you probably won't need duo-cores for retro games.

>>5619170
Win XP was released in 2001 so either way you lose faggot! Eat shit 6th gen scum.

>>5602902
>>5619048
Windows XP launched late 2001. Not retro, faggots.

>>5619483
>>5619373
Windows XP can be installed on '90s retro PC hardware, such as Pentium 2 processors and GeForce 256 video cards, therefore making XP retro. Get assraped, nigger.

>>5617276
Amen brother, good old hotseat gaming.

>>5602841
>xp
not retro

>>5619843
So can Windows 10. Now Windows 10 is retro? Your mom was obviously blacked to produce such a dumb fuck.

>>5619893
Show me an old computer running Win10. You can't. Dumbfuck.

>>5619893
The fact that the mods have kept this thread up proves XP is actually retro and you're a faggot.

>>5619902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGeLGpecjEo

Here's Windows 7 on a Pentium 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_2whFuuPQ4

Windows 10 on Pentium 3

Go suck a fat you, you stupid nigger.

>>5619914
That's not running, that's crawling. Nice attempt, tho'.

>>5619919

>>5602841

>>5619893
>>5619902
>>5619914
>>5619919
>>5619921
I hope that both of you die in a fire, slowly and painfully.

>>5610216
>"waste money"
>he doesn't own a bunch of old piece of shit PCs already

>>5619914
>Windows 10 on Pentium 3
At least watch the video before posting it
Windows 8 and up at least requires a newer pentium 4 to boot.

>>5619902

>found porn folder from 1998
>one of the pictures is this

>>5619347
W2K treats dual-core CPUs as dual CPUs, which still works. Hyperthreading was more of a problem because it treated both threads of a single-core HT CPU as dual CPUs without load balancing, but efficient use of HT needs load balancing.

>>5619347
Windows NT 4 and up all support multiple CPUs natively.
NT 3.1 and 3.5 also do but only on old machines and with special drivers.

>>5619952
Dude... Wow, that brings me back. I played the shit out of that game.

>>5602915
You can also get all that on Windows 2000, which is a much better OS in general.

>>5620079
I liked Windows ME better than 2000.

>>5620089
Don't you fucking lie to me, Anonymous.

>>5620101
I really didn't like Win2K. ME is perfectly fine after you have it up and running with drivers that are stable for it. That was the biggest thing was having drivers that didn't fuck with ME.

This whole "is retro" "not retro" shitposting could be easily remedied if we just changed the rules to apply to videogame release date instead of hardware release date. Also, bump the year to around 2003 since games that are over 15 years old are pretty much retro.

>>5620319
Good luck convincing the mods to change how things work around here. Nothing short of finding out who they are, where they live, and holding them at gunpoint will convince any of them to actually give a shit about anything that people here think.

>>5620079
Win2k was primarily a Server OS, I remember having some difficulty getting games to run on it.

>>5620379
Did you install the compatibility extension? IIRC it was on the CD. Did you also try running those same games again after the release of XP?

Started playing Serious Sam the other day. It's so jank but so fun, like Quake except good.

>>5609147
>TRIM tool to keep the drive healthy
god forbid something happens to some shitty retro pc ssd 10 years from now. You might actually have to spend another 10 dollars and get 10x the storage.

>>5618928
fucking finally

>>5620332
I'd say they do care, as most of the community wants things to stay as they are, and the mods make this happen. Ever notice what happens when one of the few zoomer trolls tries to make a 6th gen thread? The entire community trashes the thread and agrees it's not retro. Stay mad and understand you're in the minority. This isn't the community against the mods as you wish it was. This is you against the community and mods.

>>5621248
Oh, my evaluation of the mods has little to do with /vr/, it's based off the entire fucking site.
4chan's mods hate most of 4chan's users. You're not special.

>>5620119
WinME was based on Win95. Win2000 is based on WintNT. Big difference in stability. AFAIK Win98 Second Edition was also based on WinNT, so even that is more stable than WinME.

>>5621262
No one cares what they think of the users, or what you think of them. What matters is that they uphold the rules that the community wants, which is to keep out 6th gen trash like yourself. Thanks for posting!

>>5619914
Thanks. Now all you have to do is threaten to take away all the guns from mods, to get them to change the rules.

>>5621273
Why would I give a shit about 6th gen? There's no games from that generation I care about. Seriously.
I think you have misinterpreted me, because putting down the silly bitches who actually do want to talk about those shitty consoles makes your dick hard.
I think both of your demographics need to burn in a ditch. Along with the mods. Your mother's a whore.

>>5619102
actually a late-20s Yoomer

>>5621292
Trying too hard, zoomer.

>>5620421
don't recall, I didn't try that hard since I had another PC with XP on it and just used that.

>>5620319
>Also, bump the year to around 2003 since games that are over 15 years old are pretty much retro.
nice try but no
terminology is fucked to begin with ("retro" technically means shit like Mega Man 9 and Shovel Knight).
Basically this board covers the 2D era and the transition to 3D. By 2003, 3D was the default for new games. Even games with 2D gameplay were using 3D game engines by that point (Warcraft III was 2002). From 2000 onward game design was driven much less by hardware innovation than before 2000. The only real major paradigm shift hardware-wise was mobile devices. Even internet was already widespread by 2003 although consoles were a little slow to adopt.

While not perfect (nothing will be) the year 2000 is a solid cutoff point between the two biggest eras of gaming.

>>5621578
Nah, 2000 is a bad cutoff date because it includes 1 of the 4 sixth gen systems, which encourages shitposters to sabotage the board over not getting to discuss their sixth gen system here while Segafags get a pass. It needs to either be raised or lowered, as it is right now is only harming the board.

>>5621578
there was no difference between win98se and winXP except for directx and .net development. if 98 is included than software should run up too 2008 at least because theres no fucking architectural differences. nigger

>>5621773
Nope. Trolls come and go. Your two months of shitposting 6th gen threads might seem like a lot but it's been going on forever and will continue to. If 6th gen was the cutoff, there would be almost as many 7th gen shitposters. By all means continue trolling until you give up but understand you won't change the longstanding community's rules, fucking faggot haha

>>5621773
You can talk freely about 98SE-playable games like Halo 1, but the pre-2000 standard is not going to change.

>>5621831
Alright then. Enjoy the shitty state that /vr/ will be stuck in thanks to the nonsensical rules until 4chan dies, I guess.

>>5621842
I thought halo threads were the main reason to exclude 6th gen? Why are there no halo threads then?

>>5621849
>NONSENSICAL!!!111 PLEASE GUIZ PLEASE IM BEGGING FOR XBOX ON RETRO 4CHAN PLEASE
No one cares, good bye.

>>5613347
Yeah. All their games, whatever the series, can feel clanky but the world is always somewhat interesting and rewards careful exploration.

>>5622067
A Halo post in this thread got deleted, I assume because Halo's originally an Xbox game that got ported to PC, and Xbox is banned here.

>>5619919
>That's not running, that's crawling
Are terrible ports banned too then?

>>5621231
Not to argue with that mindset, but I prefer to take care of my things whether they are cheap or not. Best practices are scalable. It's not like it's more fun to mismanage an SSD.

>>5621271
W98, W98SE, WMe are all based on Windows 95.

>>5622134
yeah because removing an ssd from a retro pc and having linux/non-obsolete OS perform trim/align partitions is totally scalable.

>>5622154
Why remove the SSD from the desktop when you can just start up a livecd every now and then?

>>5622165
a fucking live cd? lol, even more pointless. Do you also carefully manage your complementary pendrives you receive?

>>5622165
Most Linux distros that can be run from a livecd will NOT play nice with the old Win9x hardware or take ages to run, if you can even get it to boot in the first place without heavily castrating the distro.

>>5622168
Livecd, live usb boot drive (but will run like crap on a USB 1.1 board), second partition on the drive, whatever. There's even a DOS TRIM utility out there that anon could pay for (lol) and schedule to run automatically.

>flash drives
I keep them in a box and hand them out like candy whenever people need them, but I don't know what kind of abuse you want me to be putting them through to make you happy.

I'm not interested in arguing over unimportant things, anon.

>>5622185
that's what slackware is for

>>5622185
There are still i386 builds of some distros that will boot quickly enough on a PIII. You don't need much to run TRIM, and it's not like linux livecds are a new thing that didn't exist back then. The main thing anon needs to pay attention to is FAT32 compatibility in the TRIM tool.

>>5622189
you realize ssds (~120gb, the size you would use for win9x) are now a commodity like pendrives?

>>5622196
Well they're not in $2 territory yet, a $20 drive that holds an OS and games that anon will presumably want to play for enough time that he'd even consider bothering to build a new system is still worth not treating like trash.

>>5603167
Yes it can. Through NTVDM, a surprising amount of DOS software is supported. Especially since all 32-bit x86 processors since the 386 have hardware support for virtual 8086 mode. Windows XP even added support for translating sound blaster specific calls in DOS programs to directsound.

>>5622206
He's kind of right. DOS programs under Windows XP run under virtual 8086 mode, where the processor simulates a real mode environment without actually switching to one (for all intents and purposes the processor is still running in protected mode). Semantics and all but I just wanted to point that out.

>>5622226
You software fags really do not comprehend the purpose of running things on native hardware.

>>5621795
rules don't have to be made dumb enough for you to understand.

>>5617257
This. Low-spec PC games from any year should totally be allowed here.

>>5617886
Don't like it? Then gtfo.

Kao the Kangaroo 2 is free on Steam for the time being, grab it while you can lads.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1048540/Kao_the_Kangaroo_Round_2/

fury 3

>>5603214

I remember this scaring me when I was 8 years old when trying to install Total Annihilation without disk 1

Who was the best to play as, and why was it the Xenomorph?

>>5602861
Fuck off, autismo. WinXP is as retro compared to Win95 as is Glenn Miller compared to Paul Anka.

5-10 years from now fucking Assassin's Creed would be eligible to be considered retro.

>>5620421
i'm on win2k right now, what's this compatibility extension you speak of?

the virgin 2k
vs
the chad ME

>>5629957
2K/NT was used by serious business, and some server machines.

ME/95 was used by kiddies, normies and home-forever-alone users.

>>5610091
this game is easily hackable lol

>>5614064
my favorite soccer game. choppy and limited movement but still love it.

>>5630038
>not pirating win2k and escaping from 98/me years early

>>5629296
Just the same compatibility tab in file properties windows that comes standard on XP. It's optional and disabled by default in 2000. You can enable it with
>regsvr32 %systemroot%\apppatch\slayerui.dll

There's also a standalone program on the 2K installation CD that does the same thing but with a different interface. I think it came first because it's not part of XP unlike the other method.

>>5622574
That's why DOS-ROMs should be used with DOS.

>>5626298
That's a funny way to spell Terminal Velocity.

>>5619009
https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Lego_Chess

>>5614407
n64

>>5620036
and that's a good thing

>>5616569
I finally got the machine running. Good god I didn't remember Win98 sucking ass that much. The good thing is onboard audio supports Sound Blaster emulation so I don't have to get separate card for DOS gaming. I also revisited most of the obscure games of my youth I didn't had chance to play in years only to find out all of them suck.

I think I'm gonna beat Woodruff and then back to the storage you go.

>>5634296
What's your collection of obscure games, anon?

>>5614064
No it's not. PC is a broad term, like "console" is. Just because Uncharted was released on a console still doesn't make it retro, despite the fact that there are game consoles released by 1999. The same thing goes for PCs: if a game can't play on a PC (without the use of an emulator, of course), it is not compatible with that PC's OS. Get the fuck out if you can't follow the rules.

>>5634296
98SE is just fine, it's just that drivers are kind of a bitch unless all of your hardware is older than the OS (since it has a lot of basic drivers for hardware that already existed at the time of release) and those prebuilts were just kind of ass to begin with.

If that system has USB ports, I totally recommend installing this: http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
You'll be able to use practically any USB flash drive with that, it may be a bit slow, but still more convenient than burning rewritables, or trying to use floppies.

>Win95?
Half-Life

>Win98?
Half-Life

>WinXP?
Streets of Rage Remake

>>5635160
Nobody's saying all PC games should be retro, just ones that can run on PC hardware that was available in the '90s.

>>5635185
I would agree unless it's obviously a modern game and you're using "it can run in 90s hardware" as a gay loophole to get around the spirit of the rules.

>>5635363
The "gay loophole" you speak of already exists for console games, so it should work the same for PC games. It's a shitty double standard.

>>5602841
Immoral Study
Heavy Gear 1
Nocturnal Illusion
Exile 2
True Love '95
Pinball Space Cadet

>>5621795
>the only difference between dos-based windows and nt-based windows is directx and .net
I kek'd heartily

>>5635169
>those related forum posts
I see their forum security is updated as often as Win98.

Don't mind me, just being the greatest XP/DX9 game of all time.

>>5635821
Not retro.

>>5635913
Is retro.

>>5635414
that's because you are a huge faggot and don't know how to not be a huge faggot. You care far more about rule bitching, technicalities, and drama whoring than actually talking about old games in a way that anons find interesting.

Fact is I manage to bend the rules all the god damn time and almost never get modded, because I just try to make sure whatever I want to say that is relevant to the discussion and respecting the spirit of the rules. I try not to act like an entitled cunt with a chip on her shoulder.

>>5610314
>you have a lifetime worth of doom wads
That's only made Doomguy angrier.

>>5632006
Same diff.
Also, where's my remasters?

>>5635821
XP can never be considered "retro" according to /vr/ 's draconian consolefag hardware age mentality. XP is definitely post-2000, which is later than 1999. I can't imagine any made in 1999 PC masterrace hardware being able to install XP, AND play DX9 games.

Hover! is the greatest game ever made.

>>5602841
CS:1.6, CS:1.6 and CS:S

>>5636418
Date doesn't matter. There are a few meme tier brainlets that just take the rules literally and forget only /vr/ pretends ps2/xbox/cube are not retro.

Diablo 2 and RCT2 are talked about here regularly.

>>5602841
dark forces 1 and 2

>>5619102
you sound like your 17

>>5636941
Yet you haven’t even learned the difference between “your” and “you’re” so like I said, go discuss Halo somewhere else and stop skipping English class you young mongoloid.

typo gang ww@? hope yore all having a great day.

>>5635821
>>5635913
>>5635956
Just grab a copy of build 2187 from 2004.
Works just fine on Windows 98 as long as you have DirectX 9.0c installed.
Bless all those speed runners keeping the older builds alive.

But for a more comfy time I suggest getting the latest build with the episodes and installing on XP instead with the same trick.

We really need a mod to confirm in the sticky if platform means when the PC hardware was manufactured or the operating system the game can run on. Right now it's too ambiguous for x86 games.

>>5637905
nah just spam halo pc threads

>>5636784
>ps2/xbox/cube are not retro
to be pedantic those consoles are also not retro, retro means modern games that use an old style. So by the literal definition of retro the only games that quality is shit like shovel knight and maybe recent Doom mods and such.

The answer is to stop being an insufferable faggot and recognize that this board is focused primarily on games from the 2D era, which effectively ended around the year 2000, no matter what kind of autistic nitpicking you want to try to do with rules and definitions about platforms and operating systems and hardware and release dates and all that other ridiculous bullshit.

>>5638947
>2D era, which effectively ended around the year 2000
you are full retard . PSX got popular on the strength of their 3D games like Tomb Raider.

>>5638947
What you're talking about is retro-style games, which are modern games that imitate the 2D sprite style of 3rd/4th gen. We don't allow that shit here.

>>5639059
There were 3D games in the 80s, fuckwit.
You lack the patience and intelligence to listen to my more nuanced explanation for why 2000 is the right cutoff, so "2D Era" is what you get. If you can't figure out the difference between the 90s 3D games and the post-2000 3D games that failure to make basic observations and draw the right conclusions is on you.