/vr/ - Retro Games

what did the developers intend?

>>5594139
developers used pvms and bvms, so rgb, obviously.

>>5594139

>>5594139
rgb

>>5594330
this

I just bought my first PVM, the 1444QM. Problem is that now that I have one I'm kind of lost about which cables to get and where to order them. The consoles I'm interested in playing on my PVM is Dreamcast, PS1, Retro Trio, Nintendo 64 and RGB modded Famicom. Except for the famicom they're all PAL consoles.
Could anyone give me some pointers on what to buy and where to buy it? I sent a mail to retrogamingcables but they couldn't help me so now I pray that you guys can guide me.

>>5594348
Dreamcast, PS1, Famicom, N64 if modded your best bet would probably be get console to SCART cable + SCART to BNC breakout, retrogamingcables.co.uk does all of those for reasonable enough prices, you can go more cheapo or more fancy if you want. Which connector do you have on the Famicom mod?

For Retro Trio or unmodded N64 use S-video.

Hi guys, first time posting here. Got a av moded famicom. When I play some games are not centered, like parodious in the pic. However when I try other games like smash tv it’s centered. I can’t find the service menu, my tv it’s not popular.

Sorry for my english, not my native language

Is there any way to convert coax to av? The only crt i have is coax in

>>5594390
For my N64 and Retro Trio I use red, yellow white cables into a scard adapter. Both are unmodded so I'm a bit confused.
My Famicom has white, red and yellow as well. Though that one I know is modded.

Sorry for asking to be spoonfed, but could you link what it is I'm looking to buy at retrogamingcables?

>>5594139
It's subjective for everything but Genesis, and varies by game.

Distortions often can increase apparent resolution without inventing information. I like to emulate with a CRT-Royale slot mask composite preset, because I played with RF in the 90s. I never cared for thick gaps between the lines. Sometimes I emulate with only composite distortion and no CRT shit.

>>5594348
This is what the backside looks like if it helps.

>>5594461
Red, white and yellow is a composite signal. S-video is markedly better. For your Retro Trio get a simple s-video to scart cable. Unless your "Famicom" is RGB modded you are stuck with composite or RF.

>>5594449
Two options:
1. Use a general purpose standalone RF modulator like one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/Electrical-Distribution-Modulators/b?node=11042001
2. Plug your consoles into a VCR or DVR and use the RF output on that

>>5594491
I might get a S-video cable then since my scart adapter has an adapter for that eventually.
So if I have composite signal, what do I get for my PVM?

>>5594494
Thanks anon, i think i’ll try a modulator and see how that turns out

>>5594503
Np, just be aware that even though some/most of those units have stereo audio inputs, the sound you get will be a downmix of both lines to mono, and it's even possible a poorly designed one might just ignore one of the audio lines. I say this because old stereo TVs without audio inputs do exist, and I don't know if yours is one of them.

>>5594135
Picrel my old consumer 25" Philips with RGB from Genesis, proof that PVMemes are overrated

I've got a JVC BT-H1390Y broadcast monitor that I want to sell since I got an OSSC and a Retrotink-2X. How much can I convince one of your autists to pay me for it?

>>5594657
Stunning convergence.

>>5594670

>>5594139
In all honesty their main intention was for us to buy the games so they would make money. Ones with SOUL might have intended for you to enjoy playing them. They probably didn't give two shits about displays.

>>5594496
BNC to rca adapters, then plug the yellow/white/red into them on the composite plugs. If you only have one audio port on your tv, use the white or better yet, a set of powered computer speakers. If you havent, please watch the my life 8n gaming rgb guides. The info you seek is on there.

>>5594880
Thank you! I will look into the guides.

One last question, anything to think about regarding PC speakers other than getting RCA-adapter for the speakers?

>>5594135
got my JVC AV-32D501 cleaned up a little more and adjusted about as good as I think I'm gonna get it

>>5594993
Not him but that adapter is all you need as long as the pc speakers are powered like anon said.

>>5594139
To make money
They care little for your display

got my JVC AV-32D303 cleaned up a little more and adjusted about as good as I think I'm gonna get it

Getting the ps2 connected to an RGsB display was pure bullshit, and you have to go through the bullshit every time

Currently, I just have a rPi with retroTINK hat connected to BVM-20F1U via VGA to BNC. I'm looking to pick up some SCART cables for my Saturn and Playstation.

What's everyone's set up as far as switches go?

VGA switches, i.e. mostly KVM switches are cheap and readily available, but are not typically designed for video quality. Would require additional work or purchase to convert SCART or BNC to VGA for other consoles. Extron switches looking good.

Seen some SCART switches, might be ideal, since I would only need to convert VGA to go to the SCART switch. Looking into gscartsw for this.

Haven't seen BNC switches.

Would love to post pics, but traveling for work atm.

My copy of mother 3 came. Got the next two days off. Moved my little crt by my bed. Just wish I had some soda

>>5594491
note s-video to SCART support on CRTs is pretty rare.

>>5589885
–I've done this, it's a total pain in the ass. If you can ignore it, do.
Otherwise:
You need to open the monitor, remove the neckboard, loosen the brackets on the deflection yoke (around the neck of the tube) without breaking the tube. It will likely be adhered with a glue and rubber wedges. Take out the wedges first. Then, twisting the yoke along the tube neck should loosen it, but you're gonna feel like you're about to break it before it comes free. The neck is the weakest part of the tube. It's usually doable, but risky.

–So I'm going to repeat right here, if you can life with it, don't change anything.

Anyway, after that, once it breaks free *you WILL have to re-do all of the purity and convergence adjustments by sliding the yoke around on the tube.*

–Again, DON'T do this if you can ignore it. I'm serious. It's a massive pain in the ass, and risky if you don't know what you're doing. But doing it's the only way to learn, so if you must, please test on a piece of shit goodwill no-name VHS/TV combo or something.

In any case, once it's free, you'll note that rotating the yoke around will rotate the image. Rotate it so it's level, and then start sliding the yoke up and down on the neck to find the correct position.

To find the correct position you will need to make sure the cross hatch pattern is converging everywhere, and I recommend using a pattern without the red edges (pure white) so you can get better convergence at the edges.

You also will need to check the color purity at intervals while doing this. You have to get them both right at once. Throw pure red, green, blue, and white solid screens up, such as the ones on this test DVD >>5583512 (You) . That DVD also has a pure white cross-hatch in three sizes. I like the "fine" one.

TO BE CONTINUED

(pictured: tube neck before disassembly begins on a 20L5)

>>5596507
Pt. 2
If you are almost there, but have just one or two corner areas where it isn't QUITE there, you can try using permalloy strips (convergence strips) to fix it. Take them from some junk TV, or I think you can still buy new ones from people if you know where to look. Your monitor/TV will likely already have a few of them in place; I wouldn't mess with them too much if I were you, unless you rotated the yoke a LOT.
Then, once you have it all figured out, both with the cross hatches and the purity screens, put the rubber wedges/feet back into place.

You'll want to double check at this point that you still have convergence and purity. If you still do, time to adhere them back down. Get some silicone based caulk and glue 'em down like they were originally. Don't worry about overdoing it. You can't.

Let the caulk set, and you're done.
Seriously, think twice about if it's worth it. IMO it wasn't really, but my rotation was only very slightly off.

Pictured: rubber feet back in place, not glued back down yet.

>>5596517
Not got a pic of it all glued down since I had to go out to the hardware store for it and was exhausted when I got back.

Have some Phantasy Star instead

>>5596521
(not bothered getting RGB out of my SMS since I just got it today and I don't use the SCART cable set-up)

What is /vr/ opinion on Bang & Olufsen CRTs? Especially the Beo Vision MX 8000 model, it looks pretty good.
I can get it for ~20 euros but I am not sure if it's worth.

>>5597492
>but I am not sure if it's worth.
Stop being a slav and maybe I'll answer.
They're pretty good, generally. Make sure it's not ancient.

>>5597492
it has super soft image
also getting meme tier prices in some places.

>>5597579
>it has super soft image
Not really.

>>5597579
They've always been expensive, everywhere

>>5594657
they are a meme but sadly no consumer burger sets support RGB unless modded, and all the zoomers here don't know how to do that (me included)

>>5594670
no more than 35 bucks

>>5597640
What exactly happens if you try to use RGB on a set that doesn't support it?

>>5597645
we don't even have the ports to accept rgb, most consumer sets you find are composite only, with some later sets accepting SVideo and the late models (being far and few) accepting component

>>5597647
Oh, right. I forgot scart was rare outside yurop.

>>5597648
exactly, kinda want to mod my PVM to add a scart connector for fun

>>5597658
The connector itself is pretty shit.

>>5597632
5-10 years ago you could find them for free or for peanuts.
Now a days they're memed more than pvms.

What do you guys think about the Magnavox 20MS334R01 for retro gaming and maybe hooking up to a computer for emulation through a component adapter? It's free but I don't want junk.

The brochure is here:
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/376140/Magnavox-20ms3442.html

The users manual is here:
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/308266/Magnavox-20ms334r.html

>>5597743
>5-10 years ago you could find them for free or for peanuts.
You still can if you live in the right place.
>Now a days they're memed more than pvms.
Where?

This ending was weird

anyone got any tips for filming a crt screen?

shooting at 1/60th at 60fps with low iso already, getting the focus down has been a pain

>>5597834
I personally avoid Magnavox, but if that's the best one you can find, sure.
Use those sweet, sweet S-Video inputs though.

>>5599046

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j0IC0bu3dg

best device to watch anime on these? WIiMC is too slow for some videos unfortunately.

>>5599978
PC with a suitable gpu and drivers.

>>5600026
my thinkpad t420 has s video and display port. can i get a adaptor for this? crt has s video, composite and component

>>5600289
whoops i meant to write my laptop has VGA or DisplayPort

>>5599978
>WiiMC is too slow for some videos unfortunately.
Use a tool like ffmpeg or Handbrake to re-encode the video you want to play at a lower bitrate.

I recently set up my crt; I don’t know if this is a common problem, but the picture gets blurrier as it reahes the edges of the screen, it’s not unbearable but if it can be resolved i’d like to know.

>>5600289
>>5600293
VGA to HD component just needs a color space transcoder and sticking to a TV resolution your TV can handle. VGA to SD component/S-video/composite needs a downscan converter (good ones will typically incorporate the needed signal converters as well).

Cheap little PC-to-TV boxes that have low quality scalers in them have also been around forever but they always degrade image quality and add lag. These were mostly just useful for making presentations on regular TVs, so avoid them for games.

sorry for the blogpost, but i'm having some trouble with a PC CRT that I got.
It's got this moire pattern on the right side of all images, including just right of the left edge of the screen. I've read that this can be caused by the scan rates not syncing up with the phosphor dots, but i've tried resolutions from 800x600 to 1600x1200 and it's still here. there's a moire reduce setting in the osd but cranking it to 100 does literally nothing. I'm wondering if there might be a pot I can adjust on the main board or if some caps on the board might need replacing.
It's an AOC Spectrum 7Glr. I've scoured google and manualslib and I can't find a service manual for the thing. I can find a user manual for a very similar model (7Vlr) but that's no help in finding which pots to adjust on the main board.
If all else fails I'll tweak the pots I can find on the board while the monitor is on and see what they do, but i'm wary of fucking with a crt while it's powered on. if that fails, I'll just recap the things and call it a day. Any help is appriciated.

>>5600670
pic related is the effect in question. makes it really hard to read text.

>>5600670
What kind of VGA cable are you using? Does it seem thick enough to indicate proper shielding, or even have a ferrite ring on it? Try another cable before doing anything else, if the cable is detachable. If not, try sticking a ferrite ring on it and keeping it away from all other nearby cables and potential sources of noise/interference.

>>5600838
the cable it attached to the monitor. and yeah it's a big boi. maybe it's my laptop that's doing it, but I've used this laptop with a different monitor and it didnt do anything like this.

>>5596517
I ended up just lowering the S-Gain from the service menu to a more tolerable level lol

Thanks for the follow-up, though. I found another issue as I was messing around with the S-VIDEO cables. I bought a switcher to take in a few inputs, but in the process of the signal traveling from the console to the switcher to the monitor I got a bit of shadowing everywhere on screen (see picture). When I plugged the S-VIDEO output from the console directly into the monitor the issue went away and I got a much clearer image. This will make things a little more challenging for me to switch between consoles, but at least I have a solution for the time being.

Wish I had an old DVD player lying around so I could see if the issue was the cable from the switcher to the monitor or the switcher box itself.

>>5601017
Probably the switch itself being unterminated, causing ringing.

>>5600650
>avoid for games
how about video tho?
https://www.amazon.ca/Converter-Composite-Computer-Projector-Connector/dp/B07L6WHQ6H/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=VGA+to+RCA+Adapter%2C&qid=1558681570&s=gateway&sr=8-7

Hi I'm new. 30 fps games such as Granada and Luftrausers do look awful on my PC CRT monitor which support up to 85hz just so you know. While objects moving on 60 fps are perfectly sharp, motion on 30 fps creates a doubling image which looks even worse than the smooth blur of LCDs. This is a plague of PC displays I guess? Is there any tool to insert black frames at 30hz?

>>5601987
Still an easy pass for me. Even the analog TV out of an older video card running on a 10yo PC would be far preferable to a cheap PC-TV converter.

Hi, I've got Panasonic TX-29PS12P lately, all I need him to do is to run PAL/NTSC games for PSX and PS2 (and probably n64 in near future) games in decent manner. Will it do?

>>5602479
Looks like a relatively modern 4:3 tube without 100Hz so it'll be perfect. It even has RGB SCART.

>>5602487
nice to know, cheers bro

I got a pal jvc monitor with only s video in, shame that I can not use it with my wii. I might open it up and see if it's possible to add component (it has no expansion slots though)

>>5602487
...although it looks like it has 100Hz, is it fucking gaming experience a lot? So far I've tried only one pal game on it (ps2 dynasty warriors 4) and I haven't noticed that anything is wrong.

>>5602506
480i (like PS2) will look pretty nice but it can screw up the scrolling in 2D games and generally lowers motion quality in some cases. It actually depends on the implementation, if it line-doubles 240p content to 480i it'll make 240p look soft and blurry but if it doesn't it'll probably look fine. Shame about that, without 100Hz it'd be perfect.

>>5602506
How so? Does it flicker with pal games?

>>5602545
I see, for now I'll just play games and see what happens

>>5602548
I don't know, I've been just googling it and I've found this chart:
https://www.megamedia.pl/telewizor-kineskopowy-panasonic-tx-29ps12p.php

3rd line says: Technika obrazu (video technique)- 100 Hz, so I thought, that this mean 100Hz refresh rate.

>>5602641
Also, I forgot to answer your question :^)
Nope, it doesn't flicker with my only game (pal dynasty warriors 4 for ps2)

>>5598074
in yurop they're the meme tv to get for retrogaems. Some fuckers go "pvm quality !!!oneeleven"
to me the image is too soft, the front glass is too dark, and the oem remote is mandatory and super expensive. Only thing it has is contained depth without geometry problems.
If you want euro tv with frontglass, go with pic related instead.

What is the best option if I want to watch media on crt. Is it even possible to get graphics cards with analog outputs anymore.

>>5603712
Without answering the second part, easiest way is to use a PS3 and a media server

Someone at Goodwill accidentally let a tube through. It's been a few years since I've had anything bigger than a 20“ set. 50 cents and the geometry seemed okay when I tested it in the store.
I forgot how much it sucks to move 100+ lb tubes by yourself.

>>5604001
I'm actually more jelly about the xB. Damn I miss mine

Recently got this 19" Toshiba set from the 80s, just before it was about to get thrown out by a thrift shop. It only has composite, but the faux wood grain, neat design, and decent picture quality for a set this old has me glad it didn't end up in the dump.

I got some scratches in my tube deep enough to feel. They're not really noticeable while on, so it doesn't bother me from an aesthetic standpoint. I'm a bit more concerned about the integrity of the tube itself.
It's a more modern TV from 2002. How fucked am I?

Anyone got any hot takes on using a ps3 for PS1/PS2 classics?
I know there are flaws to this, but can anyone here convince me that it's worse than using an HDTV (at least, in terms of input latency)?
I only ask because I have a shitton of PS1/PS2 classic on PSN and don't have physical copies of some of the games.
Pic related, but not mine.

>>5604340
>use S-video for PS3
>play PS1 & 2 games on it
I wouldn't see any issue with it.

>>5604347
What about component? My JVC CRT has both.

>>5604357
Whatever works, really.
I'm kind of a sucker for S-Video, I like the nice clarity uptick it gives over composite, and PS1 and 2 both supported it.
Component is...too clear. Some effects just don't work under component, and tend to make everything look kinda worse because of the superior clarity.
That said, I can't say "you absolutely need S-Video in your life and go out and buy OEM S-Video cables right now!" Its just one of those things I get anal about.

>>5604337
It might just be the anti-glare coating, if it has one, so it might not even have reached the glass. But even real surface scratches aren't enough to weaken the thick glass of the tube. If you're afraid of explosions, don't be. If you ever truly smashed the screen, the tube is vacuum sealed, so there would be more of an implosion, and the glass would more likely be stationary or slightly sucked inwards towards the shadow mask or aperture grille instead of shooting outwards.

>>5604340
Unfortunately PS3 can't output 240p using any cable, just 480i.

>>5594139
I asked in the Segadev thread, got no answer.

>>5604631
I thought 240p and 480i isn't different technically in analogue.

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/vgm/d/atlanta-30-flat-screen-crt-for-all-your/6857604524.html

holy shit WHAT a steal, driving out to get it now

>>5594467
>I played with RF in the 90s
What the fuck

>>5604340
Never noticed any latency issues. I've played and beat several PS1 classics on my ps3 at 480p.

>>5594135
How can I know that my tv is usable in vertical? PVM-14N6E
Also do you think this is good idea to put this (15kg) tv over vcr? It seems solid.

>>5604807
A coaxial RF connector (radio frequency connector) is an electrical connector designed to work at radio frequencies in the multi-megahertz range. RF connectors are typically used with coaxial cables and are designed to maintain the shielding that the coaxial design offers. Better models also minimize the change in transmission line impedance at the connection. Mechanically, they may provide a fastening mechanism (thread, bayonet, braces, blind mate) and springs for a low ohmic electric contact while sparing the gold surface, thus allowing very high mating cycles and reducing the insertion force. Research activity in the area of radio-frequency (RF) circuit design has surged in the 2000s in direct response to the enormous market demand for inexpensive, high-data-rate wireless transceivers.[1]

I've acquired a Dell Ultrascan P780, a good PC monitor, that I want to use with RetroArch, but my PC does not have any analog video outputs.
How shitty will a DP to VGA converter make it look? Is there are better solution?

>>5604995
I have got a couple of cheap ones from ali and the one I tested gives me more than 17ms less input lag compared to my LG 23EN43V. Picture quality when using in 1080p mode can vary from model to model but for CRT it's no problem.
>Is there are better solution?
Graphics card with VGA out but you will be limited by its performance since newer models dropped it. It can be second card of course.

>>5605067
Well I got it working but now I can see that the screen has too many blemishes for my taste. At least it was free.

>>5594142
Why do you presume they were stupid enough to not realize that actual console got different picture?

>>5594330
Maybe they just were more convenient to get a nice picture for print, this proves nothing.
>>5594838
>>5595238
You are unable to look past your own nose. To get more moneys the game has to look nicer. So graphics are definitely taken into account. Better decision would be to optimize them for consumer TV and unmodified console but as we know most devs weren't even compensating for non-square pixels.

>>5604794
>posted two months ago
AHAHAHAHAHAHAA
why not get a PVMeme at that price LOL

>>5604987
Pic is an rf modulator and pasta is a general description about all rf connector types (as in just the different plugs). It would have been a more clever reply to post just the pic instead of showing that you don't understand what the text is saying.

>>5604794
I wouldn't even pay that much for a Loewe Aconda.

>>5604001
Finally got this dumb thing into my basement since it's too big to go anywhere else in the house.

>>5605449
mayby this "anon" is a seller

>>5605594
it was clearly a joke, stupid fucking redditor

>>5605682
ooh

>>5604643
It wouldn't matter if only the PS3 hardware just output the original resolutions programmed into PS1 and PS2 games. Instead, it indiscriminately deinterlaces all PS1 and PS2 software no matter what the original resolution, then outputs it at any resolution from 480i to 1080p as configured and supported by the output signal type, scaling if necessary. That automatic deinterlacing step can't be bypassed. PS1 and PS2 hardware don't have this problem, including PS2 when playing PS1 games.

>>5605486
nice and cozy

>>5602316
i guess the cheapest alternative is to convert the videos so it runs smoothly on my wii. hope it turns out well.

What do you guys think? Pls no snatch.

https://cosprings.craigslist.org/ele/6876718462.html

https://cosprings.craigslist.org/ele/6875820429.html

>>5606297
snatched, thanks loser lmao

>>5606297
the sony should have s-video, it would be a winner if it also had component since it doesn't look like an hdtv

>>5606412
Trying to get the Trinitron but the seller hasn't responded since 2 days ago. Wish me luck anon. Gonna be fun to move by myself.

>>5604643
They're related but not the same. 240p doesn't do the up down wiggle between each field

>>5605486
>Rose of Versailles
Ah, I see you are a man of culture, too.

>>5606297
I responded to the NEC before and asked for a pic of the back, I'll share it with you. It would be a decent CRT if you're okay with composite being the highest quality connection option.

>>5608123
That pic was already in the listing when anon posted it here

>>5608620
Ah my bad, they must have updated it. The listing has been up for a while, a couple of months at least.

I've got an old Nokia CRT TV that I haven't used in 15 years or more. It has a high pitched noise constantly ringing out from it that is very loud (more so than usual). I've tried adjusting color, contrast and different channels and sources but there's no difference. What can I do to get rid of the noise?

RGB CRT TV montly find... usually 2-3 per month. This one also accepts 60hz via composite, not common here in urop

http://i64.tinypic.com/25rzbl1.jpg

RGB CRT TV montly find... usually 2-3 per month. This one also accepts 60hz via composite, not common here in urop

>>5609296
>60Hz via composite
>not common here in urop
60Hz works in almost every yuropean CRT since 1990

>>5608867
You have to live with the noise.

>>5609419
60Hz RGB yes, NTSC composite not so common

>>5594481
You'll want to get a handful of BNC connectors so you can plug in your composite and component cables. They're super cheap though.

Sony Wegas seem to have a shit ton of geometry issues, more than usual. After a little research, more people have confirmed this. Is that because it's a flat panel? Or do WEGAs in general are this bad? I'm on my third one and they all have that bowing in the corners and way patterns.

>>5610231
Flat tubes in general have more geometry issues, and it's more noticeable

>>5610240
Would you say it's worth getting an older model and sacrificing a component input for 6th gen consoles, and just get a regular tube with S-video instead?

>>5610253
There are still plenty of curved tubes out there with component inputs. I picked up one a while back.

>>5610256
I don't live in burgerland, not sure how easy it'd be to find one around here. Do other brands have a trinitron like service menu?

>>5610259
yuroland?

>>5610297
Hueland. All the Sony models I can find locally are flat tubes, and most regular tubes don't have S-video and aren't Trinitrons.

>>5610303
Don't marry yourself to Sony unless you really want to. You could conduct a brand-agnostic search, prioritizing overall image quality and inputs first over brand and aperture grille vs. shadow mask. To do that, you'd probably realistically start by looking for inputs first, followed researching the quality of the specific model you just found and preferably trying it out for yourself.

>>5609781
NTSC in composite is pretty useless unless you're playing Famicom though.

Europe works at 50hz there was no need for 60hz input in composite, just some high-end tv and those cheap brands which reuse chassis for all around the world

>>5611196
rgb scart is also common in europe so there's little point in using composite anyway

>>5611196
>only cheap and expensive models support 60Hz

>>5594135
My crt is getting bad. It turns on and off by it's self. If you press one of the volume buttons on the tv rather than the remote, it has a tendency to turn off.
It has built in DVD VHS combo. Tape deck is dead and the tv (when watching a dvd) will sometimes refuse to produce sound for the movie (tv is not on mute, I've checked)
I use it to play my older consoles and that's the only time it does ok, but I fear the tv is a fire hazard with its issues. Is it time to put it out to pasture?

I have this 13" sansui color CRT that I use to play games and watch anime. It works fine, but theres a guy in my area selling a Commodore 1702. Should I get it as an upgrade or am I wasting my money?

To me, on paper theyre both identical (13" screen, composite input, mono sound, gives you aids when you turn in on)

>>5612783
Don't bother.

>>5612783
The 1702 supports Y/C signals, so it's a step above that Sansui. Between that, its nicer looks and controls on the front, I'd consider it to be an upgrade.

>>5612783
See that Y/C in anon's pic? >>5612843 That's S-video, you'd just need an adapter to use a regular miniDIN cable with it. It's a definite upgrade.

>>5610231
Realize that a TV screen is a giant glass lens. Try grinding a fucking super thick round screen until it's flat. Thick coke bottle glasses like corners, thinner center. Hmm, I wonder why the corners have fucky geometry? Also flatscreen are heavier partially due to the thick assed glass in the corners.

>>5612996
So could I do like
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/5PIN-DIN-Male-to-2RCA-Video-TV-Audio-Lead-Cable-Adapter-Audio-for-Commodore/263987453481?hash=item3d76e0de29:g:Nr4AAOSw1cNaRxq0
to
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/KMD-PS-2-3-One-S-Video-SVHS-Audio-Video-Composite-AV-Cable-for-Playstation-2/161363253840?hash=item2591ffda50:g:tpMAAOSwbqpTv~fe
and plug it into my ps2 and it'll look better than composite

>>5613090
That first cable is wrong, you'd need something like this (though this price seems unreasonably high for how simple it is):
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Atari-Commodore-S-Video-Y-Adapter-S-Video-to-Chroma-Luma-Video-/333208533092

>>5613305
Just search "s-video y-adapter" there's one for $3.70 with free shipping.

>>5613360
I see a cable for that price in US dollars sold by Adorama on American ebay, but the genders on both ends are wrong

>>5613394
another couple cables/adapters for gender changing still ends up cheaper.

- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
- CRTs always cause eyestrain
- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
- CRTs cannot have touchscreens
- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation

>>5613641
Based retard

>>5613641
inb4 b8
1/2
>CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs
CRT's weren't created for HD resolutions (some of them were), LCD's are lighter, cheaper and easier to produce, its natural that they are the successor.
>CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation
False
>CRTs always have easily-visible flicker
False
>CRTs always cause eyestrain
False
>CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise
Not always, computer monitors don't because of higher horizontal frequency scan.
>CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged
Yes but charge depends on tv, most of electronics hold some charge on capacitors.
>CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year
False
>Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels
False
>Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance
False
>Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs
False
> Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage
You would have to try hard to do that
> CRTs cannot have touchscreens
False https://youtu.be/QEZEVy6aIww?t=579
>4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT
Personal preference
>The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning
It's one of the best crt monitors.
>Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications
False, where do you find that bullshit?
>CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs
Personal preference

>>5613641
2/2
>CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats
Depends on tv
>CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets
You can damage LCD with a magnet too, and a lot of electronic devices
>Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality
RGB and component doesn't have any artifacts that would alter picture quality, you can send fullhd through VGA.
>Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation
What's wrong with heavy metal? I like Iron Maiden.

I don't know where you found that amount of bullshit.

>>5613641
you must be really fun at parties

>>5613896
>>5614267
>>5614269
>>5614306
>replying to reposted bait lifted from a reddit faq type thing
Good job, retards.

>>5613641
>widescreen

>>5595239
Looks great!
Now go play some games and post pics.

>>5597492
I missed on one a month ago for 30€ and I kind of regret it. But it just wouldn't fit where I needed it and I've kind of regret that decision.
If you have the space I say go for it!

What do you think about the Sony KV-32FS13 and KV-32FS100 for retro gaming (particularly hooking it up to a computer through S-Video or Component) for emulation?

Is the KV-FS100 worth paying more for? What do you think these are worth?

>>5613641
Why would I eat a vitamin E pill? Guaranteed replies.

>>5614395
have sex

>>5614545
Ok, assume the position obsessed anon.

>>5594139
For you to play the game and not fucking argue about what screen you're playing it on.

>>5597640
You can find the service manuals for a wide array of TVs online, it's just a matter of gauging the expected input voltage on the R, G, and B lines of the neckboard and building an amplifier/series of caps to get everything to the right levels. Then ideally splice in H and V sync directly to the neck components, toss everything on a switch to switch between the VGA port and internal components, you definitely can't run the IC jungle and RGB together unless said IC has RGBHV lines. That being said, if you can't plumb in HV sync you can probably get away with csync (or even sync on green with the proper circuitry)

>>5614507
Both decent. Not a huge difference in specs, FS100 is newer, can auto detect widescreen. Likely the same tube, if you can check em out in person, take the one with better geometry or condition. Sensible price is $0-30, maybe 50 if the seller is a bit of a dick.

>>5614507
also note the s-vid / component direct out of a video card is usually downscaled to 480i/576i only, not ideal for emulation, better solution would be VGA to component transcoder or HDMI to component.

Can one of these crt stands on wheels hold a 200lbs unit? The stand is 28" wide but the crt TV is a 34" widescreen.

>>5614545
Dilate

>>5615484
Are you an adult man? Try sitting on it and see if it breaks.

>>5615669
Stand on it with one foot if you're not fat.

tfw the pics I take are too large to post in the general and I can't be bothered to downsize

Free set in my area. Anyone have this set or know if it's decent? CH32H95

>>5616768
I'm retarded it's CN32H95

>>5616768
Take it if you don't already have one. You don't need a good crt. An average tv is more nostalgic.

You may need at least one other person to help move it, 27 inches is often the limit for one person, and remember they're front-heavy.

>>5615669
I'm not an amerifat.

>>5616768
ManualsLib says it has YCbCr, which I believe is the same as YPbPr, or component video. If component video is what you're looking for then grab it. Seems like a pretty good set to me

>>5616768
>>5616812
That's an auto-grab if you need something that big, my man. By specs it's a good set, you'll just want to hope it doesn't have any unfixable problems as an individual unit. Grab the stand and keep it together with the TV if you can too, that's the matching manufacturer stand and it will just end up in the junk if you don't take it.

Are all Trinitons necessarily good, or is it just a select range of them? is it safe to drop $20 on a blurry pic of a Trinitron on craigslist? I don't want to inquire about the model in case someone else buys it or they look up the value and it turns out to be more valuable

>>5617265
Flat ones usually have somewhat wonky geometry. Other than that, only issue would be inputs, I guess.

>>5617219
>>5616939
>>5617024
Thanks guys I'm probably going to pick it up this Sunday, I'll update the thread when I do

>>5617539
Good luck, I hope it's a winner. Just know in advance that the scanlines will be very pronounced on big TVs. 240p (and therefore most retro games) should look nice and steady, but the behavior of 480i might surprise you if you're not used to a tiny bit of flicker. That wouldn't be something to blame on the model, it's just something that becomes more apparent the bigger the screen when the display shows interlaced video natively.

>>5596241
cyoot

>>5597834
be wary of flat crt screens distorting scrolling images (I don't notice it too much during shmups, but action adventure games with scrolling screens definitely look weirder)

>>5617265
>I don't want to inquire about the model in case someone else buys it or they look up the value and it turns out to be more valuable
This is the wrong mindset to have, especially if you're as inexperienced as you sound. The chances of a random blurry-image craigslist posting of a CRT being a rare, valuable model are extremely slim. Trinitrons show up all the time, and most are average. Just ask them for a picture of the model number and the inputs.
Once you become knowledgeable about CRTs and can tell by a glance whether or not it's potentially a coveted model, even from a blurry picture, is when you should fret over them jacking up the prices or someone else snagging it. Not now. Chances are it's worth less than they're asking.

Hey guys, I recently bought a PVM 14N5E[/spoiler] on the flea market for 2 €. Has slight burn in at the bottom part of the tube, but it's not visible when switched on.

What bothers me more is that there appears to be some sort of dirt/grime/scratches on the screen itself, which appear as dark streaks when turned on. I figured that it must be a model with an anti-glare coating and that the marks are damages to the plastic. Pic is obviously not my unit, but similar to what it looks like.

I took off the casing today, but could see no clear layer of film at the edges which I could remove. Am I mistaken? Is it a sort of spray-on film? How should I proceed?

Hey guys, I recently bought a PVM 14N5 E on the flea market for 2 € . Has slight burn in at the bottom part of the tube, but it's not visible when switched on.

What bothers me more is that there appears to be some sort of dirt/grime/scratches on the screen itself, which appear as dark streaks when turned on. I figured that it must be a model with an anti-glare coating and that the marks are damages to the plastic. Pic is obviously not my unit, but similar to what it looks like.

I took off the casing today, but could see no clear layer of film at the edges which I could remove. Am I mistaken? Is it a sort of spray-on film? How should I proceed?

>>5619293
pic because I'm an idiot and messed up my spoilers the first time I posted it.

>>5619293
Mine had some dark marks that I thought were scratches. They weren't. Cleaned right off.

>>5619297
I tried cleaning them away again, no success.

Pic related is what they look like. Taken through a macro lens because I could not get it to focus otherwise. This streak is about 5 mm long (there's about a dozen of them). Barely visible when switched off, but very much so when it is on.

It looks to me like damage to a plastic film from splashes of a hot liquid or so.

>>5619319
Looks like it's raised. Can you feel it with your finger? If so, a soft abrasive might be your best bet but be super careful.

>>5619364
Update: the abrasive side of a dish sponge and some dish soap did the trick, combined with LOTS of very INTENSE scrubbing.

Took me almost an hour, but absolutely worth it. Looks gorgeous now.

Only saw your reply just now, but thanks for the tip!

>>5619319
>>5619379
Looked a little like clear glue 2bh

>>5594139
Right, obviously.
>>5605323
>>5604987
>>5604807
>>5594467
Most of us only had RF
I even used RF only up through Dreamcast because I didnt have a good tv.

>>5619448
>Most of us only had RF
What part of the world are you from? I don't think you can speak for most of the board, if that's what you were trying to do.

>>5619506
The only countries that are relevant when discussing retro games (or anything else), Japan and North America, used RF well into 4th gen.

>>5619387
Yeah, that was my thought also. No idea why somebody would do this to a crt, but I'm glad it's gone.

>>5619627
What? The US at least had composite, and Japan had a variant of SCART that also supported RGB.

>>5619713
Ok? Doesn’t change the fact that RF was still used.

>gamers

How do you connect composite to an extron. I just need the video, no audio. I'm trying to setup cameras in my room to display on my tvs through my extron

How do you guys feel about JVC

>>5620413
They were great. Aesthetically I thought some of their stereo stuff looked a little chintzy and alien but performance-wise they always presented a good option no matter what type of electronics device you were looking for, TVs no exception. They also had a very strong broadcast and recording industry presence, with Sony and Panasonic. All-JVC editing stations and studios were just as common as the other two.

tl;dr - JVC good

>>5620413
JVC gang

>>5619771
What kind of total faggot would use RF well into the 4th generation?

I've found what look like old medical monitors but I think they only take composite and they're being sold for 10 bucks each. Would you say it's worth it?

>>5622821
-10$

>>5622821
Do you know if they're even color? Will the owner let them be powered on, or does he have a pic of them working?

I decided to get a crt and my options are:
Panasonic TV 27" Model CT-27SX12F
or
Phillips 27” Model 27PT6441
This would be my first CRT since I was a kid. Which option do you guys think is better?

>>5623178
Panasonic. They were pretty great. Phillips had some TVs made under license by fucking Vestel.

>>5620413
i have a 19" JVC PVM and i am in love with it

>>5623178
I have a similar Philips from a previous product line (as sold in the US) that I was extremely happy with the last time I used it. But the one you posted has a scan velocity modulation circuit that you can't directly disable through the user menu, as does that Panasonic. SVM is trash, it distorts edge geometry to make dark lines appear more sharp (fake sharpness). It's a BS showroom-only feature that nobody would ever want to use at home, for games or anything else.

Anyway either of those sets would probably be quite nice without SVM, including the Philips if you are in the US. The Panasonic is from one of their top product lines at the time, so I'd go with that if forced to choose without evaluating them both in person, but I wouldn't be disappointed at a chance to demo and take the Philips instead.

As for SVM, there are three possibilities that might enable you to bypass it even without an explicit menu setting on either TV. First, if you start configuring your custom picture setting by using the Movie/Cinema/Pro preset as the base option set (move the cursor to that setting, then change the finer options from there), that may disable SVM as an unseen side effect the way it does for other brands and models. Second, there may be a hidden service menu option to disable it. Third, you could open up the TV and manually disconnect the SVM circuit so it never engages no matter what you do in the menus. You'd have to do your research for all these options for the one you pick up, especially the last.

>>5602632
I can't even tell what I'm looking at.

>>5623953
Einhander but I'm not good at taking pictures

>>5602632
einhander?

>>5596235
Extron is the best way to go for a BNC switch. They support SCART, Component, S-Video, Composite and pretty much anything else you want to throw at it.

>>5623976
Someone stole that game from me from a house party a longtine ago. Well actually they stole just the case since the game was in the ps1. Sucka.

>>5624262
You should hunt down the nigger and kill him with your dick.

>>5625174
>kill him with your dick
so make a black man laugh to death?

>>5623913
Thanks man, I'll go see the philips tomorrow. Apparently it was store in a spare bedroom and has low hours.

That whole RGB stuff is getting out of hand

Philips HDTV 26pw8402/37 Anyone here has one of this?

>>5625957
probably ok for 6th gen and up only

>>5622459

Is this the Eon demo?

It's incredible for a pretty much stock 500.

>>5625660

yup its definitely getting out of hand

>>5625957
I didn't know they made HD CRTs. Huh.

>>5627380
HDTV interlaced: HD 1080i, 33.750 kHz, 60 Hz

is there a way to play my n64 on a new tv without lag?

>>5627473
>n64
>new tv
>without lag
Nope, you can only lessen the lag on a tv up to 1080p by installing the ultrahdmi mod.

>>5627473
On modern tv's theres always some input delay, some are worse than others. Your best bet is framemeister(expensive), hdmi mod(also expensive) or getting an CRT(free or cheap).

>>5628093
You forgot the OSSC.

>>5603712
Raspberry pi 3

>>5628093
Only basedchuggers use HDMI scalers and mods.

Free TV. What's everyone's opinion on this set? BA605001180

I've been considering trying out streaming my gameplay, can I just splice out the video signal to a capture card so that I can play on a CRT at the same time, or is there other stuff that has to be considered?

>>5628014
>>5628093
Thanks, I'll look into minimizing the lag maybe

>>5629565
Remember, hdmi mod doesn't go higher than 1080p, so if you get some 4K tv or something, the tv will still have to upscale the 1080p picture, adding more lag. CRTs really do come around to be the most reasonable option for real retro hardware in most situations.

>>5630193
It's a non-issue. Scaling really isn't the issue with modern TVs. There is generally no difference in input lag between a 1080p signal and 4k.

>>5613641
Throughout all this you forgot the high EMF.

Even then all you have to do is view it from a distance.

>>5630520
it's a copy pasta taken from reddit

>>5622651
At least with Genesis, it's what was usually included in the box (it varied because Sega is weird), and almost no one bothered buying different cables until sixth gen. We played out games on channel 3 or 4, not AV1.

Which do you think looks better?

Anyone familiar with pic related? I have the opportunity to get it for 30€ and I want to plug it to my PC through USMA and a old Radeon card.

>>5630712
The left smooths his eyes over, I like that.

>>5622821
I'm almost certain that's an old teleprompter, and if that's the case, it scans in the opposite direction in order for the text to be viewed properly in the mirror. Check it out to see if it works though, might be cool to mess with.

>>5630712
What's the difference here?

>>5631082
I think left is PC CRT and right is TV CRT, I also guess left is PC version and right is console version.

>>5630253
There's always going to be scaling lag. The math doesn't get easier or disappear the higher you go. Doubling the resolution along both axes still means 4x the pixels.

>>5631082
>>5631104
They're both PC monitors but the one on the left is a 14" with a dot pitch of 0.28mm and the right is a 22" with a dot pitch of 0.22mm. Game is the PC version running on Windows XP with an 8800 GTX.

>>5631414
well you fooled me, congrats

>>5631543
It wasn't my intention to fool anyone. I just want to know what type of image people prefer.

>>5626871
It is.

>>5631565
well what I said in >>5631104 is true, left looks like PC game and right console game. Left looks clearer and nicer but I've never been fan of PC CRT's so I prefer the right one.

>>5597492
I have an MX4000, the picture from RGB scart is FAR worse than my old PVM in s-video. The audio quality and design is much nicer though.

Not sure why people here shit on PVMs other than contrarianism, they're far superior to consumer sets.

>>5597492
I have 2 of them, they both give a pretty sharp image. Don't really have much to compare them to though since I'm having a hard time finding anything else of good quality. They're good if you live in any of the Nordic countries, and allegedly the UK, since they're plentiful and cheap.

>>5597492
Great if you want to pretend you're a rich kid in Denmark in the 90s.

Are these scanlines ok or are they too pronounced? I got a small 19" PC CRT for emulation, and I'm not sure if I should stick with 240p or 480p.

>>5631305
There is no measurable difference between feeding a decent modern TV a 1080p and 4k signal. It's a non-issue.

>>5632078
Please explain how they solved scaling lag. This would be big news.

>>5632226
How the fuck would I know how they've implemented their scaling algorithms? Maybe they're just so fast that it's less than 0.1 ms. Maybe the input lag is the same for other reasons.

my dog

>>5632508
Very cute pupper. Why is it off tho?

>>5632505
Uh huh.
So in other words scaling lag is still a thing including 1080p on 4K tvs, because math and science still exist too.

PVM-1351Q locally, he's asking for $249. Is this a ripoff?

>>5630872
For 30€ I would buy it.
I don't know what inputs it has but I like the aesthetic.

>>5632634
Kek, that's high for even a 13" BVM.

>>5630872
It has SCART. Get it if you still can.

http://audioidiots.com/merk.catalogus.scanned.groot.php?catalogusID=11&pagina=092&merkID=

>>5632605
Yeah. And electricity traveling through any length of wire has lag too. Simple physics...
The assertion was that a 4k TV fed with a 4k signal has less input lag than one fed with a 1080p signal. This is demonstrably false, at least for a number of modern TVs, perhaps the majority. You can check rtings and flatpanelshd reviews.
Why is it so? I don't know. You obviously don't either. Ask an electrical engineer specializing in image processing in TVs.

>>5632827
Yawn. So it's just another read the reviews deal. I don't have to ask an EE what's happening so I'll tell you. Scalers are getting faster just like they always have, from the use of dedicated chips like the old days of Faroudjas and Zorans to software scalers being run on more off-the-shelf general purpose hardware. And now in the age of biggity-big numbers like 1920x1080 you're saying they are fast enough to show those pictures fast enough on a 3840x2160 screen. Oh shit I'm yawning again. This is the same thing that happens when you watch any video on a cheapshit laptop scaled to your its crappy screen, doesn't that look so very instantaneous??? And yet when you open photoshop and resize a big still image, it's not as fast. The first is your gpu and the second is your cpu. And the gpu in your laptop is a lot more powerful and expensive than the scaler processor in just about any modern tv because it has to do a lot more than scale shit. So what we have is the same scaling lag that we've always had, that looks instantaneous because of faster hardware but still exists. If it gets fast enough for you that's good for you, but everyone on CRTs doesn't have to give a shit about trying to squeeze bigger and bigger pictures out of their N64s every time tvs get sharper.

Newest acquisition

>>5632905
>I'm not an electrical engineer but let me pretend that I know what I'm talking about anyway and ignore simple and reproducable experiments
That's gonna be a yikes from me.

>>5633078
>I just got a 4K tv and I'm telling you guys, things don't work the way they always have anymore
That's gonnZZZZZzzzzzzz

>>5633105
I don't personally care about input lag on 4k TVs. I was merely correcting a false statement and providing evidence. What have you done? You have only spouted nonsense like the seething little autist you are.

>>5633128
What doesn't make sense to you isn't anyone else's problem. You're tilting at the wind at this point, scaling lag will always exist as long as you ever have to scale anything.

>>5633145
And so what? It doesn't matter what you feed your 4K TV with, and that's what this was about. Why? I don't know. You sure as shit don't either. You have literally no idea how much of the delay on those TVs is because of your "scaling lag". You have literally no idea how fast they do their scaling. It could be nanoseconds and you would still go >hurr durr muh scaling lag
Don't ever @ me again unless you actually have something relevant to add and I doubt that will ever happen since you appear to have the mental capacity of a 5 year old.

>>5633178
>Your parents help you hook it up
Still true, eh? Stay confused and mad forever, anon.

yeah I don't think integer scaling is very hard, the added latency of 1080 into a 4k tv should be negligible
but the thing about LCD TVs is that you can never trust them, every model behaves totally different. the people designing some of them should be ashamed of themselves

>>5633561
The math is trivial no matter if it's integer, non-integer, less than or greater than 1:2 scaling, etc. And yet we've had scaling lag ever since the days of 240p to 480p and 480i to 1080i (understandably those may have involved equipment assumptions about 240p being 480i or automatic deinterlacing of 480i). Image quality is the worse problem but the ways tvs deal with that just makes the lag problem worse, tvs rarely do simple scaling without resampling the whole image and even doing things like temporal interpolation on high refresh rate tvs. Instead you have hacks like game modes that do as little as possible to the image, and even those have never ever been measured as lag-free.

Since we're talking about a modded N64 in the CRT thread, it only seems reasonable to be absolutely clear that scaling lag will always exist on tvs that depend on it and not on a regular N64 connected to a CRT. If just saying that makes somebody angry enough to cry "it's good enough" in this thread of all places, let them cry that all day.

What's the best solution to converting rf into a signal that a pvm can take. I know most consoles by now have a rgb or s-video card, but I also have some rather obscure consoles I'd like to run on my pvm, and was hoping I could get a hold of a rf demodulator or something with better results, that output a decent signal. I know when it outputs rf it's pretty much a moot point, but I'd like to find a way to get it on there without further obscuring the picture.

>>5634074
use a vcr as a modulator to get composite.

>>5634074
They're called tuners. RF modulators take internal composite and make the signal tunable like a TV channel. The part of a VCR that makes it work for this is its tuner for recording different channels.

>>5634074
VCR as other suggested is the easiest option. I use it to connect my Famicom to PVM, quality isn't the best obviously.

>>5632905
On modern TVs everything runs through the scaler, even 4K sources.

Can you connect a ps2 into a crt monitor?

>>5634747
Not directly, no.

>>5634747
Some CRTs can take straight RGB but the games would need to be running at 480p.

>>5604340
if you have a PSP, they output the original resolution when playing PS1 games on a TV.

>>5634747
That's what I did here >>5596220
But it only works for RGsB 480p, which the ps2 can't start in so you have to operate blind or in another screen before you can activate it in the game

>>5634186
Huh, that's interesting to learn. Thanks.
>>5634091
>>5634364
Aren't most VCR modulators shit though? I've yet to experience one that didn't obscure the image to some degree.

>>5605486
I have the same TV in my closet.

>>5635242
VCR modulators are fine, it's the NTSC RF that's shit