/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[5-27] Quake 2 RTX Release date in June 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unGtBbhaPeU

[5-26] SIGIL has been leaked, check the links in the OP

[5-23] Chex Quest 3 has been re-released officially
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPByIugoiM0

[5-22] SIGIL is shipping
https://twitter.com/romero/status/1131200733192380417

[5-21] Redemption Of The Slain is getting a no BD version
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=64768

[5-21] Cyrgoth's Manor -a 7 Level Hub FOR Hexen has been released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/106379-hexen-cyrgoths-manor-7-level-hub/

[5-19] Unbeliever, heretic megawad has been released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105690-unbeliever-a-heretic-megawad-release-candidate/

[5-18] BuildGDX update with FOV slider and other fixes, now supports Duke Nukem
https://m210.duke4.net/

[5-16] REKKR updated to v1.16
http://manbitesshark.com/

[5-15] GZDoom 4.1.2 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64701

[5-12] Quake 1 sounds remastered
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61714

[5-10] Nightdive's BLOOD remaster released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da8x89BBjI8

[5-9] Sigil delay entirely on the disk
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103430-sigil-new-romero-megawad-for-may-2019/?page=47

[5-7] Two more Quake map jams, SM196 and Map Jam X
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61717
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61718

[5-5] GZDoom 4.1.1 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64582

[5-3] Introducing SM195, seven Quake speedmaps made in 24 hours
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61715


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Can YouTube delete the sound from my videos of letsplaying SIGIL with Buckethead soundtrack? The video editing page says something about that the video cannot be monetized because it contains copyrighted soundtrack, so I'm afraid they could remove the sound. Should I make another letsplay with midi then?

>>5611791
No they won't delete. But your letsplay video might show ads the money for which will go to Buckethead.

>>5611817
OH FUG

I know BABEL Bro posts on here so I'm gonna ask something.

Can you figure out what's making BABEL break Dark Universe pt.1 , removing all friendly NPC's and spawning in enemies early?

Hideous Destructor somehow didn't break Dark Universe so badly, and HD, babel and hard doomm seem like a match made in heaven with dark Universe.

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-is-adding-real-time-ray-tracing-to-quake-2/
How demanding will this be?

>>5611823

>>5611849
RANGER GO AWAY

Sigil is kicking my ass. on e5m3 rn.

>>5611870
You're gonna love the next map.

Is anyone else waiting for their physical copy of SIGIL before playing it?

>>5611075
>Robin Williams was the original lead developer of Doom and the founder of id Software. He wanted to create a fucking good first person shooter, so he gathered the team of game developers and programmers. One of the guys he recruited were John Romero and John Carmack. Williams became friends with Romero and Carmack. One weekend the guys when out for a drink. John Romero put a roofie into Robin Williams' drink. When Robin Williams couldn't defend himself anymore, Carmack and Romero raped him together. Romero fucked his ass, Carmack fucked his mouth.

and now I know the rest of the story

>>5611893
Oh joy. Am I going to get the plasma rifle soon? I straight up left some enemies alive in the last map because I wasn't about to shotgun 2 barons to death.

>>5611895
Yes.

Gimme a vanilla+ set-up for Sigil release
So far I've got
>Ketchup
>Smooth Doom
>GZDoom- Software renderer mode

requesting Almonds Crash abs pic

>>5611932
its on the booru

>>5611942
And the booru is?

>>5611946
spoonfeeding.booru.net

>>5611946
gee I wonder where it could be

What's the command for getting the computer map? I want to see every little unexplored nook and cranny.

>>5611942
sure was
but it's required viewing

>>5611972
> give allmap

>>5611972
open automap and type iddt

>>5611908
What about reflecting shaders by vasyan?

>>5611897
>that entire robot-generated text
Lost my fucking shit

>>5611976
>>5611974
Does't iddt or give allmap show everything as if I explored it already? I want the unexplored parts to appear gray as they do when I pick up the map thing.

So, what did /vr/ think of Sigil?

>>5611984
The implication that /vr/ thinks

>>5611974
Its this artist still alive?
I want to buy meself some crash abs

>>5611983
the cheat shows everything as explored, including lines set to not be shown on the automap
allmap is the internal name for the computer area map, doesn't matter what iwad it is, since it does the same thing like backpacks do

>>5611908
Freedoom

>>5611984
i thought it was fun

>>5611984
4/10. A generic wad stuck in 90s. Too much hype for something like this. He shouldn't sell it.

>>5611895
>check tracking
>mfw it's still fucking across seas
>mfw it will probably not show up until next week
>mfw everyone else has already played it

>>5611995
I'm pretty sure he posted here a few weeks ago.

>>5612004
If he released it for free people would have tempered their expectations and appreciated for what it was - an old master trying to get back into the game.

Instead, with all of this hype and marketing and a fucking Buckethead soundtrack, people expect a modern professional product which this certainly isn't. Romero should have just released Sigil for free as an exercise for himself and as advertisment for Blackroom or whatever it is now.

>>5612005
Free version's out on Friday. Just gotta wait a few more days after that. Worth it.

>mfw going through and playing old wads with Typhon instead of playing Sigil

>>5612020
>fucking Buckethead soundtrack

Who would even play with this fucking shit? If you make a letsplay video on YouTube using this soundtrack it will be fucked with shitty ads.

>>5612029
That's on you for not understanding how youtube works.

>>5612020
He did the Blackroom advertisement map already though, it fell flat on it's face.

>>5611774
Repost because wrong thread last time:
What the fuck is up with the final level of Sigil?
If you destroy one of the two bosses you win instantly (defeating the point of spawning in two at once), alternatively you can just run to the teleporter a few feet away and win that way as well.
Was he in that much of a hurry to finish it? It felt like it ended out of nowhere.

>>5612029
Play the version with Jimmy's music instead then.

It'll still be claimed because the copyright shit is a shambles but you'll not be doing buckethead stuff.

>>5611860
saved

I know this horse is pretty much beaten to death but i remember how Gman once said the Mancubus in 2016 didn't change that much, even though he was completely different from his Doom 2 version
Meanwhile, modders that tried to mimick D4 stuff in D1/2 actually researched for the game's mechanics

>>5612040
sigil is fine imho except last 2 levels which are a little underwhelming, partially because of the thing you've mentioned.
but the wad itself has been finished for months, the delay was only related to the physical goodies.

>>5612047
Doesn't matter to gman. He rakes in views and money no matter what kind of bullshit he spews out.
(Use adblock.)

>>5611984
I THINK SIGIL SUCKS

>Stroggos
>blue sky
huh?

>>5612047
Reminder that GGmanlives went nuclear in the comments for the sigil video when people pointed how he was playing shit was clearly not how it's meant.

>>5612065
Pics or it didn't happen

>>5612023
Says you. I just want to play it already. Anyone have the link?

>>5612061
No! Don't notice things! Buy a new graphics card instead. You want that.

>>5612053
Agreed, but with all the hype it should have been more than just 'fine'. I can see why he put out all the physical packages months before the free download, Romero hyped us up yet again.
Even if you ignore Daikatana, we should have learned our lesson when we saw the utter state of the Kickstarter campaign he tried to launch.

>>5612061
Yes?

>>5612071
Check the old thread

Is GGGGGGmanlives the new Mark? These threads sure can't seem to stop posting about how he's shit and not worth anybody's time, except to post more about how he's shit ant not worth anybody's time.

>>5612072
>Buy a new graphics card instead
I already did because 1080s are impossible to find because of cryptoniggers.

I just find it weird you guys are judging something up before it's official release.

>>5612071
It's been posted in many of the threads already and you can find it easily with Ctrl+F. But here you go:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1p1d3vwsms423k7/sigil-registered-version.zip

>>5612029
what a shame, vasyan, it's so terrible you can't make money off someone else's work

>>5612082
Oh. I... oh.
I'm sorry, anon. I can't believe you willingly lost your legs to an RTX-mine.

>>5612083
>before it's official release
You honestly think anything will change? Romero himself said it was finished and he was just waiting on the physical versions to ship before releasing. Unless you're baiting, in which case fuck my life.

>>5612075
It's entirely filled with smoke/clouds.
This >>5612061 shit is crystal clear like it's on some solar powered vegan planet.

>>5612090
This.
Especially on a leak.
wtf did you really expect?

>>5612075
That doesn't look like Quake 2 to me.

>>5612081
>people talk about him being trash for like a day or two
>"IS HE LE NEW BOOGEYMAN?!"

>>5612090
Vasyan doesn't have enough videos and subscribers. You need at least 1000 subscribers and 40000 hours of videos to monetize them.

>>5612029
>Who would even play with this fucking shit?
People who don't make let's plays, I imagine.
Plus the entire soundtrack is made up of old songs, barring the title theme. It's more like a compilation album and I'm not surprised it gets claimed when all but one of the songs already got released in some form already.

>>5612005
>>5612071

Mine was a gift from someone else for christmas so I can't even check the fucking tracking.

I don't care, I'm just going to bubble my own opinion and wait until I can play it. This community would be disappointed even if Mordeth was finished and it was god's gift to man.

I don't even remember Romero hyping Sigil up that much as something THAT AMAZING. We got that 1 video + the dev streams.

Finally we can all agree that Decino is the best Doom related youtuber

Sorry civvie

>>5612108
>People who don't make let's plays

>2019
>Playing without recording letsplay

>YOUTUBERS
Talk about Doom instead.

>>5612069
>Pics
https://twitter.com/Ggdograa/status/1132641035945857025

Shit like this or
https://twitter.com/QueerBoar/status/1132708103911354368

he's never been good at getting called out on his bullshit or taking criticism very well, which is funny as he likes to have this "badass, I don't care fucking liberals" personality.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/582653894962839600/582663019377590412/kMiniMap_beta0.2.pk3

Here's a minimap mod. Use ATMP_ cvars for control, and built in custom automap colors for colors. (does not support presets).

ATMP_MapBackground: Set to false for transparent map.
ATMP_MapX/ATMP_MapY: Upper left corner position
ATMP_MapSize: width and height
ATMP_MapScale: Zoom level. Don't go and set this to 0.

>>5612109
>I don't even remember Romero hyping Sigil up that much as something THAT AMAZING. We got that 1 video + the dev streams.
There was a lot of
>HOLY SHIT THE FIFTH DOOM EPISODE WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR IS FINALLY COMING FROM THE MAN WHO MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE TO BEGIN WITH!
Tier hype going about.

>>5612125
He's always been an edgy fuck who wants to feel special. It's why his FO76 review was basically "It's not that bad, ugh fucking reviewers."

>>5612121
If videos took 20 times less space and uploading time was 20 times faster I would make letsplays as well.

>>5612109
I want to make it clear that I never had any sky-high expectations for Sigil from the beginning, I basically expected a set of levels comparable to stuff like he did in Doom and Doom 2 back in the day.

I figure, they'll be good, but they won't be anything revolutionary by any means, particularly not comparing to all the heights and standards the community has come to expect from really stellar free map packs.
They've finished downloading, so I guess I'll play them now, I'm sick of waiting for my physical copy.

>>5612128
That's not really on Romero though.

>>5612149
This was basically what I was saying. It seemed like he was trying deliberately not to hype this too much given his reputation.

>>5611932
Talk to caco-bro. He used to do a lot of iD abs.

>>5612109
>I don't even remember Romero hyping Sigil up that much as something THAT AMAZING. We got that 1 video + the dev streams.
That's because he didn't. The hype came from dipshits who never played a Romero map that wasn't in E1, and they're the same ones who are angry now because they don't know how Romero does difficulty. If you play Perfect Hatred, Against Thee Wickedly, The Abandoned Mines, and The Living End, SIGIL is right in line with all of those. Dark, claustrophobic maps that don't shy away from heavy caco and baron usage and commonly feature narrow walkways with damaging floors beneath them. The one thing I won't defend in SIGIL is the crusher maze in E5M4. That's some outright bullshit. It'd be fine if they were normal crushers and not the guaranteed death variant. Even if you use the invulnerability secret, it only buys you enough time to make one mistake at best. Playing by vanilla rules, being even slightly off in timing gets you killed with no chance of escape. It's complete nonsense that places E5M4 solidly at the bottom of the set. Unless there's something worse in M9 because I haven't found it yet

>>5612128
Romero didn't say any of that, that all came from the people who desperately wanted it to be true.

KEGAN POST PROGRESS

>>5612151
he also does a lot of horse cocks

>>5612165
I don't think those are mandatory.

>>5612150
>"Hey, here's a thing I did. It'll be available for free, but if you pay a bit of money I'll throw in some cool bonus stuff."
>doesn't go full hype train, is pretty modest about it overall, particularly in comparison to Dai-Katana
>anyone who has played his classic Doom levels, as well as his new ones, has a rough idea of what they'll get
>dipshits meanwhile: "OMGOMGOMG ROMERO IS THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, THIS IS GONNA REVOLUTIONIZE EVERYTHING!!"
>dipshits later: "WHY WASN'T IT EVERYTHING I COMPLETELY DREAMT UP IT WOULD BE?!"

>>5611895
Name of the cosmetic/gameplay mod?

>>5612110
he kinda leans towards pannenkoek2012/matthewmatosis levels of analyzing shit
we need more of it

>>5612181
Asylum of the Wretched. It's a pretty fucked mod. Horror themed, fighting back is pretty much a bad idea until you get decently kitted further down the line, and even then it's tough.

If you start with 23 health and an empty pistol, you're running it right. You need to punch the guard and get him to open the door. If not, try an earlier version of GZDoom.

I haven't tried in a while but iirc it's very easy to make it seem like it's broken.

Beating it did genuinely feel like an accomplishment, even with my shitty grades.

has anyone ever tried that abyss of pandemonium episode for quake?

>>5612123
Used to always think the imp on the floor had two heads for some reason as a kid.

>>5612229
The lanterns casting muted light. That's what gets me.

What're the recomended sites for info on doom decorate or other code. Like the wiki lists a bunch of flags you can add on weps, CPF this tht or the other, but doesn't say where to add those or give ny example using them, just assuming I'm looking up the code because I already know it

>>5612123
>DUUMU

>>5612123
PS1 total conversion is pretty rad.

>>5612224
Played a bit of it, never really felt the desire to play the entire thing.

>>5612250
just download a mod and look at how they do it

>>5612265
not him but what are some mods with "clean" code I could open in SLADE?

>>5612269
Any

>>5612265
None of them do what I want to do (steal armor rather than hp)
From what I've gathered you do flags by putting +flag somewhere towards the bottom but all the CPF stuff (which includes what I want) and all the weapon.stuff the wiki lists are ''not recognized flags'' in zandro or gzdoom
Makes me question what the fuck they do work in

>>5612164
Oh hey - speaking of, Kegan, This is a thing I meant to show you like 3 threads ago.
Take the first image, repeat it across a canvas, set the layer to hard mix, and paint below it.
Gradients get dithered. You can use the black and white info to remap to color, or overlay or whatever.

>>5612224
Yeah. It's alright. Not very cohesive though, just a bunch of random levels.

>>5612269
>>5612275
I wouldn't advise trying to start by looking at any of Yholl or Ijon's mods, both of them do some pretty crazy shit.

>>5612280
had to scale this because 4chan thought it had an embeded file.

>>5612280
That messed my brain up. It's late. I'll try again tomorrow.

>>5611774
Why is Caleb so amazing?

>>5612303
The voice and the personality, + the blitzerkrieg fighting style.

So is it
A: Half the flags no longer work but the wiki was never updated to say this
B: They work but you need to do some voodoo magic to make them work
'Cause half the weapon flags do not work at all and also aren't used in any mod I have suggesting no one uses them
Very misleading to new people whichever is the case

sigil: (hurr durr opinion) edition

>150 dollars for satanist trinkets, old Buckethead songs, a flash drive, and other loose bullshit
> 9 singleplayer maps, calling itself a megawad, my fucking sides
>E4M2 inspired level design
>I'm a huge fan of being hesitant and careful while playing Doom, right guys?
>GZDoom geometry, so you forget how awful it would look otherwise

God, what the fuck is this? None of this feels like a continuation of Doom 1. This is just a fan made project with some bullshit marketing and overpriced nonsense.

I could rattle off the amount of megawads that wipe the floor with Sigil. I'm not surprised, I'm not even angry.

I'm just disappointed.

>>5612263
>>5612285
I'll check it out then, does it come with an ost like DoE and SoA?

>>5612296
No worries, dear.

>>5611774

>>5612335
It does have a soundtrack, but some levels seem like they don't have tracks assigned.

>>5612345
is there a way to assign them myself?

>>5612343
NSF. Not Sane Fuckheads.

>>5612367
Poor P849

>>5612367
>all of those samsara addons and no attempt at unreal anything

Is there something wrong with my wad or what because I can't even see 4 feet in front of me in Sigil.

I've played Doom 1/2/usermaps etc with the same exact settings perfectly fine.

Also is there a console command or how do I restart a level from scratch. I'm going into some levels from the last with only 10 health and it's too hard

>>5612380
Use the light of your gun to light your way.
The pistol is the most efficient way of doing this.

or pussy out and download a flashlight mod. I recc Beam Flashlight since it means you can see 4 feet in front of you but pretty much nothing else.

>>5612330
Good thing it was completely free then huh?

>>5612380

>>5611774
JUST MADE A WEBM

>>5612380
Play in a software-rendered port and you'll be able to see even in complete darkness.

>>5612416
Also this. I doubt romero designed this around software mode, but Doom's software lighting actually somehow makes it easier to determine movement and targets.

I really wish I could explain it, but eventually you get used to seeing 4 pixels in the distance and realizing you can snipe them.

>>5612330
>GZDoom geometry, so you forget how awful it would look otherwise
Nibba what? It's vanilla format. It only requires a limit-removing port (which includes Crispy Doom) because it has more lines than the vanilla limit.

>>5612330
What were you expecting to get?

>>5612373
But Prisoner 849 is from Unreal.

>>5612432
Another example. It's absolutely black in this room, but you can still make out the level geometry and even see the armor on the right even though it's not in its fullbright frame. I think this was designed much more around vanilla, 1993 Doom than you'd expect from Romero's regular endorsement of more modern hardware-accelerated ports. I'm also playing with autorun off (like it would be in vanilla, where autorun didn't even exist) and it's made the narrow walkways and E5M4 crusher maze so much easier. This isn't a modern community wad and you shouldn't play it like one. We're back in almost-horror Doom instead of balls to the wall action Doom.

>>5612462
>SIGIL.png

Lol. How do I reset a level?

>>5612367
Caleb and Lo Wang need some love too

>>5612109
>>5612161
>>5612149
Romero pitched the game as THE FIFTH EPISODE(tm). Fine, whatever, he wants to make a level set similar to the OG ones and that's cool.
Then he lets you know that a fairly well-knon artist was comissioned for the theme song. Then he lets you pre-order the physical releases (one of which totals $166). Then you clock that he is selling actual T-Shirts, USB sticks and a big box for a DOOM LEVEL PACK.
Can you honestly be surprised that we expected something worth all the fuss he went through just to market the thing?

Just rebrand it as Dick Kickem. Memes sell.

>>5612494
That image is just the planned Samsara characters. The only one that wasn't made was Prisoner 849

>>5612505
Exactly, 100% fucking this right here. This is why I'm fucking not okay with Sigil. Romero hyped up 9 mediocre maps, he even called it a damn megawad. Fuck that.

>>5612513
>>5612505
Shut the fuck up you silly faggots. No one cares about your assblasting.

>>5612456
why do people really keep saying "what were you expecting"
something interesting

>>5612505
That changes what you should expect from the levels?

>>5612520
Because I sure as fuck didn't have any high expectations, and I wonder why you did.

>>5612520
What could possibly feel new and interesting about a map pack specifically made to feel like classic Doom

A game most of us have played over and over, in various ways

There's very little novelty to be had there. Even a well crafted level is gonna feel like the same thing, just slightly different.

will romero do the same thing for quake now?
I somewhat wish he would because I like quake more than doom

>>5612535
>Sandy will never open up the Quake editor and make his own SIGIL full of lovecraftian fuckery

at least we got the Quack wizards

>>5612543
I was also thinking of sandy but his episode is a love it or hate it, most of his stuff is honestly

>>5612509
>Before he faces into obscurity
>Before

Is it considered cheesy to use chasecam to see hitscan cunts around corners?

>>5612543
I don't know why these toolbags don't start a patreon account and promise 1 map a month from the original level designers. Then they split the money between themselves.

That means they all have 1+ months to make levels at their leisure.

>>5612543
Fuck, i forgot the creator of Call of Cthulhu worked on Quake, which explains a lot.

>>5612559
that's just being a faggot anon, either play in first person or in third person
actually, how would blood play if it was in 3rd person?

>>5612543
>remember a few e3s ago
>oh shit dos prompt
>its just Q3 shit.
Just give the arcane dimension dudes a big budget.

>>5612568
Max Payne

>>5612519
Fuck me for talking about a release from an original DOOM developer in a DOOM thread because I'm not praising the game wholeheartedly.
>>5612525
Yes. Imagine if I came to this board, talked about a level I had been working on for months and sold merch for it well before it actually released. I would probably have doubters since I'm some random anon but people would still be curious as to whether I could actually deliver, right? Now imagine if I was John Romero, and I had a big hand in creating arguably THE most important FPS game ever made with a proven track record for legendary maps and game design philosophies. Also imagine I got Buckethead, who has played for Guns N Roses and collaborated with Les Claypool, to do the title theme.
So yes, while the game is it's own entity and should be judged on it's own merits, you have to be blind not to see how this builds hype for something as small as a Doom WAD.

>>5612509
>Just rebrand it as Dick Kickem. Memes sell.
The next Douk game should have Duke as normal but Dick Kickem as an alien-made Duke clone that turns against them because he's still a Douk, and the player can choose to play Duke with his traditional weaponset and one-liners, or Dick Kickem with oddball gimmic weapons and his totally botched meme lines and ventrilo references. And the cutscenes have absurd interactions between the two, like Dick goes off the script with "I've got an ASS to be reckoned with" and Duke says something like "Alright pal, you know how to kick ass, but let's just say I'll do the talking"

>>5612543
>>5612562
I'd love to see what Sandy could do with the tools we have for stuff now, and not being overworked / rushed to fuck all the time.

>>5612559
Nah. Giving yourself an edge is fine, I figure. You'll be playing with knowledge of where enemies are in the future anyway so you pretty much just activated a time machine. Wowie!

>>5612580
>Fuck me for talking about a release from an original DOOM developer in a DOOM thread because I'm not praising the game wholeheartedly.
>fuck me
Yep. Fuck you.

>>5612462
>We're back in almost-horror Doom instead of balls to the wall action Doom.

I still can't believe people still exist who think DOOM Was never a horror game in any sense.
>Aliens was stated as a direct influence on the look and feel of the game.
>Half-Life was directly created to try to be as scary and special as Doom was when it launched
>Doom has more iterations of mutilated corpses and impaled figures than probably any game in existence.
>That section of Masters of Doom where Romero makes a level with creepy flashing lights, darkness and enemies popping out to show everyone how doom should look and feel.
>The purposeful diminished lighting system in Software doom to

These are the people who want to forget that Doom 3 exists, people who drank the Doom 4/Brutal Doom Zeitgeist Kool-aid so hard that it's stunted their brains.

Doom was never ALL hyper-masculine power fantasy shit.
It was nerdy, it tried to be scary, it was a bit goofy and that's where all of the charm came from. But at the time, it WAS scary.
Some levels did limit your ammo so you had to ration your weapon usage, enemies were designed to be frightening so fighting them and winning was even cooler.

>>5612584
Does anyone know what he's doing now? I know the last I can think of he did was the 5e Cthulhu mythos kickstarter.

>>5612586
Why respond if you don't give a shit? Or did I offend you for talking smack about what Romero drip-feeds you?

>>5611984
I just finished it. It could've been a bit better.

>>5612587
yeah, though I'd argue Doom 2 leaned much more towards pure action and is largely the facet that its most remembered for these days

It's almost impossible nowadays to see Doom as horror, even if you just fast forward several years after Doom came out, you can see much more successful attempts at horror

>>5612587
Dude, I have friends who would freak the fuck out whenever a zombie would growl in the distance. "It's dark and I don't know what to expect!"
Some people drown in immersion. For others it's gameplay. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>5612589
Doing a lot of tabletop stuff still, I think, has his own company for it.

Fucking board things this is spam too, his Facebook url is /PetersenGames/

>>5612581
> playable shitpost grade duke nukem
i'd play it
hell jon st john already dipped his toes into the memes with joel
> COME TO BRAZIL MOTHERFUCKER

How do you deal with enemies below you? That is to say, enemies below a ledge whom you can't shoot without going down on the ledge (where depending on where you are you can easily get bodyblocked and melee'd by them)? I've lost two good runs in a row due to being unable to get around spectres blocking me from going down a ledge and taking out half my health.

>>5612615
Rockets or punching.

>>5612615
assuming mouselook is off and infinitely tall actors are on:
kite to one side and then circle around the other way

>>5612613
I want a Duki Nuki as a playable character too.

>>5612635
Don't forget Duck Fuckem. Something for every crowd.

>>5612509
They could also just hire the team behind AMC TC. I’d gladly pay money for it.

>>5612613
>cutscene after you beat a boss
>the smouldering corpse lays on the ground, camera slowly pans sideways across Duke calmly bringing a cigar to his mouth and saying a one-liner
>the camera keeps panning, to Dick Kickem standing next to Duke
>he brings up five cigars held between six fingers, even though he has normal hands at any other time, and blows out a huge cloud of smoke
>"Yeah, blast it with ass"

>>5612641
Well get a discussion going on twooter. Jon really does seem to be looking for ideas.

>>5611774
What is the purpose of the "Vintage" version of GZDoom? Will it still run the same mods supported by the regular version up to the same version number?

>>5612634
Thank you.

>>5612581
>BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS BALLS

>>5612615
You accept death if it's a revenant.

>>5612615
Sounds like chainsaw time to me.

What would he say if he saw this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWQBLNPjHFA

>>5611582
Can you make a -lite version without those checks for performance even if that means no colorized lines?

>>5612664
He wouldn’t have shot up the school, he just would’ve blew his brains out in his house.

If you hate Sigil it's your fault.
It's the real fifth episode we've been waiting for with tons of epic metal and based Baphomet imagery
Anyone who thinks it should contain "more space" or "better lighting" has clearly fell for the joke of "modern level design" that people falsely attribute to Doom.
Complete Horse hockey!
Doom grew harder because the levels became cramped and dark and hard to navigate with abstract labryinths avoiding monster closets.
Sigil ( or as I now refer to it as Episode 5) perfectly follows up on Thy Flesh Consumed doubling down on everything taboo to give a big middle finger to these faux id style WADS and overrated map packs like Evilternity, Ancient Aliens, and NOVA 2.
I'm glad he charged money for this expansion and only regret that there wasn't a free version or possibly DRM like denuvo to keep shitters like youtubers from talking shit on things they don't understand.
You just expected one of these over designed clusterfuck levels some autistic Doomworld edgelord made to show their too lazy to learn proper 3D design.
John didn't do that and he's pretty woke for that, and his obsession with Baphomet and Satan just shows how cool he is to go against modern trends.
Can't wait to drop some money on E6!

How do I make GZDoom stop autoloading a autosave when I die?

Or how do I restart a level?

>>5612675
Man you were really trying here weren't you?

You still look like a complete idiot, but you tried.

>>5612675
How many map packs have you played? How many mods? The ones you enjoyed, I mean.
Contact the creators. Pay them. Ask them to make more. Say thank you. Offer them fellatio. Do the right thing.

>>5611984
It was good.

we need more quake edits

>>5612617
>>5612659
There is a Berserk pack earlier in the map (no chainsaw unless it's in a secret), so punching should work, but my hits don't seem to register even when the monster is able to bite me. Wouldn't trying to rocket something that far down end up hitting the ground you're on though?
>>5612628
Kiting did work though, thank you. Beat the map. I'm not a fan of how Plutonia MAP04 starts, it feels kind of luck-based how much damage you take while you try to run to a safe spot due to how many hitscanners are facing you. The interconnected, tight level design as a whole is neat though, like a less bullshit E4M2.

>>5611774
wat

>>5612675
6/10 pasta

Does anyone else think the music for E5M7 sounds like a Christmas rendition of "The Real Slim Shady"?

>>5612075
>>5612094
Stroggos HAS blue Skies, even carmack can confirm that
https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1133056755095736320
All of Quake 2's story happens in between 5AM(Operation Overlord plus Xpacs) til 6PM(Stepchild blowing the Stroggos Gravity Well generator and Bitterman Killing the 1st Makron)

Everything about Q2 was heavily based on the D-Day itself, it took an entire day and 3 lone marines to deal with the strogg.

>>5612580
>Yes. Imagine if I came to this board, talked about a level I had been working on for months and sold merch for it well before it actually released. I would probably have doubters since I'm some random anon but people would still be curious as to whether I could actually deliver, right?
I guess? But Romero didn't come here to /vr/ to advertise Sigil at us.

>Now imagine if I was John Romero, and I had a big hand in creating arguably THE most important FPS game ever made with a proven track record for legendary maps and game design philosophies.
>Also imagine I got Buckethead, who has played for Guns N Roses and collaborated with Les Claypool, to do the title theme.
>So yes, while the game is it's own entity and should be judged on it's own merits, you have to be blind not to see how this builds hype for something as small as a Doom WAD.
I don't think it builds enough hype to make my expectations go through the roof.

I know what kind of Doom maps Romero can do, I've seen his 90s ones, and I've seen his modern ones, I know fully well what to expect from him, I never expected him to approach the best of what the community itself has built over the years.
Licensing Buckethead for the music is cool, but you also see that it's a very obvious gimmick, right?
All the other stuff is just knicknack and trinkets for the diehard nerds who love that shit, just like how he sells signed Doom manuals on his website.

Eviternity caught me off guard. Was expecting it to just be a showcase for OTEX but it's a good wad with mostly nice maps.

>>5611897
>John Romero, a self-proclaimed "lover of death and rape"

>>5611984
I enjoyed it. Will play it again propably at the end of year.

Asking as someone who probably won't play SIGIL until I slowly finish the current WAD I'm playing; people have been talking about it as "the fifth DOOM episode," but is it explicitly based on DOOM1 assets? Does it have any of the DOOM2 enemies, super shotgun, etc., or just pure DOOM1 enemies? I honestly don't know if I want to go back to fighting barons without the SSG.

>>5612739
And that’s why Dragonfly got hired to work on Prodeus.

>>5612757
Pure Doom 1 enemies. No Super Shotgun.

>>5612346
If I remember correctly, you can check the console to see which track the level is seeking, so you should be able to, at least on Quakespasm.

>>5612760
Well fuck. I'll probably survive it but I don't know if I'll enjoy it.

>>5612723
mutual kill

>>5612765
There’s also a lot of Barons, because Romero loves putting too many Barons in his maps.

>>5612642
I'd play it.

>>5612756
This thing is great at mimicking the tone / style of what you give it.

>>5612509
You’d have to ask him first.

>>5612763
well the first map after the difficulty selection map is asking for track 0, the thing is I need to know which track is supposed to know with that map, how would I know that? to my knowledge tracks only start from 02, not 0

>>5612029
>If you make a letsplay video on YouTube using this soundtrack it will be fucked with shitty ads.

stick in a chunk of a Nintendo trailer and some Sony BMG owned music, deadlock the motherfucker so NOBODY gets to monetize it

>>5611846
I tested the original one with a 1060 6 gb, it barely ran decently at 854x480
I expect this version to run faster and look better

>>5611984
heh

does wadsmoosher only work with official wads?

>>5612075

>>5612837
Well, your card does not have RTX chips so it's struggling.

>>5611895
I genuinely feel bad for you guys who paid 300 bucks for a statue and a fake floppy disk.

>scrolling my channels
>oh god they're running that Polaris shit on disney
>it's someone playing Duke Nukem 3D really badly
huh that's partially unexpected
>attributes developers to Nerve Software and Gearbox
fuck you randy

>>5611908
>vanilla essence
>set compat mode to DOOM (STRICT)
>a hud mod of your choice I like this one (https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=63863))
>I prefer NashGore to ketchup but you do you

I just got myself a brand new Quakespasm setup with the injector, SQL and everything else I need to start HUHing again

I don't know what to play tho, I already played the expansions, AD and DOPA

So what would you anons suggest I try out? Im gonna play myself some QUACK

>>5611984
Too much hype for what it was. If it was e1m4b or e1m8b with a spontaneous release then it would've been fine.

>>5612889
contract revoked
there's been a lot 'jam' map packs recently

>>5612528
Because Romero built so much goddamn hype around it by releasing it with a soundtrack by Buckethead in a 160 dollar boxset with a statue of him in it. I assumed it was going to be his magnum opus but just got some boring and downright tedious maps.

>>5612889
abyss of pandemonium
zerstorer
malice and shrak TCs
beyond belief
penumbra of domination
soul of evil
travail
warpspasm
insomnia
descent
coven of ebony
operation urth majik
also what commands did you use for your autoexec? I havent played quake in a while so I want to play some too

>>5612893
>>5612907
Romero wasnt telling anyone it was gonna be his magnum opus though. You people are so close to admitting you'd enjoy it if there was no delay

>>5612813
That's something I never quite figured out, even playing with WinQuake and DOSQuake. Will probably just need to pick what you feel goes best with that level and rename it, or at least make a copy with that name.

>>5612907
>Because Romero built so much goddamn hype around it
>I assumed it was going to be his magnum opus
that's on you, mate

>>5612893
>Too much hype
Hype by you idiots, you drummed up your own expectations.

>>5612915
Yeah, if Romero announced yesterday that he made some maps as 5th episode and released it the day after it would've been fine. It was salt in the wound, a DNF effect. If DNF released a year after announcement the shitstorm surrounding it wouldn't have even been there, but since you had to wait 12 goddamn years people were rightly pissed.
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just a tad disappointed even if I didn't pay for the box set (which was said to be the only way to get the BH soundtrack but lo and behold you can just buy it digitally now.)
Romero is a scumbag for that move alone.

>>5612912
I used the autoconfig that comes with the quake download in the thread mega links

>>5612634
That's much better.

>>5612889
is there a way to run multiple mods at the same time?

I want to try Q 1.5 with other mods

Do they conflict, if there are weapon alterations in those mods?
How that can be resolved?

>>5612920
If sigil came out with thy flesh consumed, people would remember it as a classic, a good high point doom. People are being more catty about this than when Alien World Order came out for Duke, and that wasnt even released for free

>>5612924
DNF is still a bad game and was victim of feature creep and constant engine change. DNF is a bad comparrison and so is Daikatana for that matter

>>5611908
>Smooth Doom
>not Beautiful Doom
jk nice setup anon

>>5612885
>vanilla essence
Holy shit, this is such a useful lil QoL mod, thanks anon

>set compat mode to DOOM (STRICT)
Where under?

And thanks, I've started using that split HUD mod, scratches my vanilla itch while making the HUD bearable on widescreen

Any other map packs coming out or are we talking about Sigil for the rest of the week?

>>5612934
People got taken in by the fact that there was a whole big collector's edition and assumed they were getting basically a "new Doom game"

Even though it was stated pretty plainly that it's basically just an addendum to Doom 1, and that its only 9 maps as its meant to be the length of a Doom episode.

You could argue that maybe Romero shouldn't have had a whole special box for it, but I don't think he was being dishonest about what Sigil was meant to be.

>>5612164
Alright well if you insist.

>>5612280
>>5612341
This is neat and all but I don't use GIMP for much nowadays other than mass cropping and recoloring using the colorizer tool

>>5612151
he's also shit. but thanks for bringing him up, checked the booru again after a long time and saved some stuff.

CIVVIE IS GONNA SAVE DUEK

>>5612981
IT'S TIME TO SHAKE ASS AND MAKE PUNS

>>5612981
IM GONNA RIP OF YOUR TITS AND SHIT DOWN YOUR ASS

>>5612981
Neat
Dont tell Stephan Weyte of he is going to have a heart attack

>>5611995
>>5612016
close but no cigar. as far as the general populace goes I'm no longer active. zero. nada. zilch. might as well have kicked the bucket months ago.

I hope doom eternal kick-starts my love for big thicc demonesses again. I'm kinda nil on the topic.

>>5612918
I'll try to then, speaking of soundtracks what do you guys think of quake 64's ost?

>>5611908
[doom.Autoload]
Path=DoomMetalVol4.wad
Path=pk_doom_sfx_20120224.wad
Path=ImprovedDoom1-2Brightmaps.pk3
Path=Smooth Doom (Almond's Edit).pk3
Path=color changing zombies.pk3
Path=ProjectileUpgrades.pk3
Path=SmoothTextures.pk3
Path=nashgore.pk3
Path=cblood.pk3
Path=GibbableMons.pk3
Path=BD_Destructible_Decorations.pk3
Path=lights_BD_Destructible_DecorationsCompatibility.pk3
Path=PFEnh_ParticlesOnly.pk3
Path=SB_ALL.pk3
Path=flashlight_pkuika.pk3
Path=SpriteShadow v1.6.pk3
Path=immerse.pk3
Path=doomvisor_hudWW_Red.pk3
Path=autoautosave-1.0.pk3

>>5612934
DNF is bad because of George Broussard.
The game could had been released in 2002, but he decided to Half life and wanted to turn douk into one.

>>5612981
>/v/ HATES Civvie because they think that he's a libtard retro autist who does crap reviews
>They love GMAN

its easy to know why am i on the right board

>>5613003
so no more buff Doom girls until Eternal drops?
You are tearing me apart Lisa

>>5613003
c u t e

>>5611774
Do I need the "SIGIL_SHREDS.wad" and "SIGIL_SHREDS_COMPAT.wad" files for SIGIL to work?

>>5612981
Rallying fans is nice but they still have to kick Randy out, right? That dude's nuts.

>>5613024
What sourceport you on

>>5613025
Sadly shitcent is closer to buy Gearbox, unless 3dr finds a rich publisher to help them to buy DOUK from randy

>>5613016
Not him but that's the nature of some artists, they draw what grabs their attention, and it's hard to draw great stuff if your heart's not in it.

>>5613034
[SOMETHING BETTER THAN CROWDFUNDING] to make him public domain. Duke Nukem Forever, for everyone.

Wow. What a pipe dream. I'm going to bed.

>>5613034
Shitcent?

>>5612945
It's under "Compatibility Options" in the GZDoom option menu. Switch from "Default" to "Doom" or "Doom (Strict)." You can also set Vanilla Essence to switch compat modes on the fly when you activate it.

>>5613036
Stop smoking Crack civvie, You're not Postal Dude.

>>5613038
TENCENT

>>5613041
China?! What the hell?

I'm wondering, what was the earliest year when Sigil could have been made without technical limitations? As far as I saw it's a limit removing mapset, and probably couldn't have handled the poor framerates of the 90s as well.

>>5613046
they want to spread and take over the world. They already own Epic and quite a few other businesses. It's pretty fucking concerning to be honest, if only because they're no fun allowed cunts and China doesn't like skeletons in their video games.

>>5611984
Despite the thoughts of the contrarian hivemind, it as fucking awesome. Just play it for yourself and don't let others opinions limit yours.

>>5613048
Year 1 disregarding the 5th episode stuff. It would've worked fine in vanilla but he exceeded the mapsize limits by including the multiplayer maps into the singleplayer maps.

>>5613028
GZDoom. Are those files actually necessary for the game to run the correct/intended sound? I saw someone on another board say they were for the soundtrack. Does that mean it's for the soundtrack IN-GAME or that it's literally just the soundtrack itself and is separate from the gameplay?

>>5613048
Remove some floor cracks and a bunch of DM fluff and you're under the limit. Maybe. I dunno. They could've done it in '93-'94 if they'd just fixed the limit stuff themselves.

>>5613051
Fortunately Trump will make china bleed enough so Tencent gets fucked, which is happening atm with the government spying scandals, and Epic's shady dealings.

and since EPIC also deals with Hospital and Medical Software, how long until someone discovers a spying program inside one of those?

>>5611984
it was mostly fine
that last level was meh tho

>>5613041
If Randy sells Duke to the Chinese I'm going to fucking kill him myself.

>>5613058
You just need SIGIL_SHREDS.wad then. The Compat versions are for other source ports.

Its for the in-game soundtrack

>>5613041
But he wants to be.

>>5613063
Get those hollow points ready. You know what's coming.

>>5613063
Get your seppuku knife ready, because he’s probably going to do that. You know how much of a greedy bastard he is.

>>5613063
Don’t do it, Anon. We’ll still have mods for Douk.

>>5613078
theyll get bribed and bought to be illegal

>>5613067
So if I delete SIGIL_SHREDS_COMPAT.wad it'll have no effect on anything?

>>5613084
Yep, you can go right ahead

>>5613073
Seppuku? I'm talking about murder, not suicide.

>>5613078
>Don’t do it
For what, the sanctity of Randy's life?

>>5613078
If china ever gains any influence on the video game industry they'll start throwing people who pirate in prison. Mods will likely be classified as piracy. Any consumption of any media that is not "officially approved by the government" will result in a prison sentence.

I realize that any serious discussion is always going to be out of place on /vr/ of all places, but this is no bullshit. They already do that in their own shit country and if they can get away with it they'll start forcing that on other countries.

>>5613086
On the sanctity of your life. Is it really worth it to get raped in jail by Jamal and Tyrone just because of Randy?

>>5613063
kneecap that faggot

>>5613048
Boom and ZDoom were released in the late 90s.

>>5613086
Then disregard my post. I misread.

>>5613091
isn't china scheduled for another collapse?

>>5613103
Probably.

>>5613091
So China is going to go to other countries, pretty much kidnap people and then chuck them in prison. For gaming stuff. I don't think they can do that. At all. Not above board anyway, unless the west just goes belly up and falls apart all over. Which could happen, but it's still very unlikely.

>>5613103
Ongoing. Seemingly heading back to their old ways.

>>5613091
That's not how that works, they can't go into other sovereign nations and enforce their own laws as they feel like.

>>5612871
>Implying even half of us paid anywhere near that much
I just bought the standard edition, find your strawmen elsewhere.

Seriously dude, wtf gets you off?

>>5613103
Yes, but it depends on how long Trump can Suffocate them and how long EU decides to man up and ban their shit too ASAP.

They are already going back to the old ways thanks to the spying stuff.
because in the words of good ol Mises, Communism is good when its being fed by other people's money.

>>5613115
>implying state capitalism is communism
Nice economics there chief

>>5613128
It's more like a highly authoritarian state corporatism, given that most of it is state conglomerates with special rights and provisions that non-conglomerate companies don't get (some even have exclusive legal monopolies on certain industries and fields), but there's a bunch of commie stuff involved in the society side, which can't be ignored.

>>5611774
I haven't touched GZDoom in a while. What are the versions I need if I want to play any of the mods worth a shit?

>>5613148
Just get the latest.

>>5613153
I thought certain mods won't work with newer versions because the dev guy keeps fucking with Zscript?

>been up for 18 hours
>modding and playing Doom for about half that time since my gfx card shat itself
>have to be packed up out of my flat in about a day
>its now 4:30AM
Th-thanks id

>>5613156
Just use the latest and then DL earlier versions for mods that say they need it.
Readmes area thing you know.

>>5613085
Alright, thanks for the help.

>>5613159
>Readmes area thing you know.
Readmes for older mods usually aren't updated when incompatibilities pop up, yo.

>>5613107
>>5613113
The U.N. already does this (and was literally created for that purpose). NATO, pretty much any similar organization... The "westernization" of the world didn't happen voluntarily. IF a "chinese-ization" of the world happens then that will be forced on countries as well.

what are some elements of good map design

>>5612675
Big. Fucking. This.

The so called modern design made me sick of Doom lately. It's not Doom anymore, just a scatterbrained hodgepodge by no lifes who think "awesum detiels" make good levels.

If you play horseshit like BShiTX, Ancient Failiens, Sundust or Eviturdnity, you quickly realise their mappers are no real designers, just third rate hobbyists. 10 levels in, and you still play the exact same level just with a geometry change. No progression, no sense of place, just some ugly details and weird colors in clusterfuck Unrealesque areas.

Sigil is different. Every level has its own distinct look, they progress, they look interesting, people can memorize them easily. And Romero doesn't need 250 revenants to make his levels hard, a single caco can kick your butt if you catch him unprepared.

>>5613172
To be frank it is ultimate doom, not having the super shotgun is cumbersome with cacos and barons in the earlier levels

>>5613171
Being able to stand up to the "pistol and 50 bullets start" rule. Meeting Romero's original 8 (IIRC) rules for Doom's level design. Not relying on gimmicks (deviating from the core gameplay is acceptable under certain circumstances, but *substituting* the core gameplay is [almost] always a bad idea [overuse of this is what made Battletoads a mess]).

>>5613178
i.e. Dark Universe Pt 1 works off this too. Every map has a set of weapons to be found, often in non-linear order and it's part of why the mapset is so great, outside of just the atmosphere and attention to detail of the mapset.

>>5613063
DO IT ANON
AND BRING US 2002 DNF

>>5611774
COUPLE DOOM WALLPAPERS I FOUND

>>5611774
>>5613196
This one has a weird resolution, but the proportions will still work.

https://twitter.com/romero/status/1133068627987619845?s=19

what should i play next bros, hexen or doom 64?

>>5613204
doom 64

>>5613204
Hexen

>>5613204
Sexen

>>5612559
You've figured out this game, congratulations.

>>5613175
report and ignore.

>>5613212
does a sexy hexen mod really exist?

>>5613201
nu-Cyberdemon doesn’t look too bad.

>>5613204
Doom 64. It’s the peak Doom game.

>>5613218
i wish
i wanna know what an ettin would be capable of with two heads
better yet, korax with six hands
where is it located on a stalker? right below the waist or way back like a snake?

>>5613223
he's the least realized monster in regards to design in the entire game.

>>5613204
PSX Doom conversion mod with BABEL.
Throw in PSX Sound caulking and nashgore + the blood fix and you've got yourself one rip roaring great Dooming my friend.

>>5613230
What do you mean? And which one is the most realized?

>>5613218
I'd say it's sexy enough already but that depends on what you like

>>5613235
To add to this, just try to read up on the changes BABEL makes to the game.
It changes virtually every aspect of the core gameplay but health slightly to make combat more dynamic and force you to change up your style and improvise.

I can tl;dr if you want but it fundamentally changes how difficult one section might be from another

>>5613218
A few very crude 90s ones do, or did, whether they're somwhere on idgames or not is another question.

>>5613239
Revenant probably?

The doom 4 revenant is without a doubt the best iteration of the revenant design in Doom's history.

>>5613239
I want to say the baron looks the best. overall I was left down by the way most of them fared desgin wise, they were really holding themselves back from fully embracing the Doom aesthetic with things like the mancubus for instamce, which looks so fucking retarded I can't look at it straight anymore. so glad eternal has a better sense of style for each monster and they all look amazing.

>>5613248
>>5613250
Yeah, I can see what you mean. I’m a bit surprised they made a few references to 64, with the Zombieman sprite, and the Doom Hunter having the dual bladed chainsaw from 64.

Duke Nukem for Eternal

>>5613208
>>5613227
is this supposed to be the "ulta violence " equivalent? i tried picking hardcore and it gives me a warning that i shouldn't do that

>>5613268
DUKE ETERNAL

How is sigil hard? It's not that difficult on uv

>>5613269
That is not D64 tho

agreed on the general notion that the monsters look better than before, but I haven't a clue what the pinky demon is even doing in eternal anymore. most other enemies received a facelift and yet here it is back again with the same old shitty unfun bullshit mechanics complimented by the same shitty fucking design and retarded dinosaur screeches. makes me want to gargle bleach everytime I see it. it's like it escaped Doom 2016 and snuck up in the new game completely unbeknownst to the devs.

I swear if they carry the cybermoose design over as well I'm flipping out the window and landng on my dick

>>5613269
Turn off brutalshit first.

Any gameplay mods for unreal that can be played with original maps as well as usermaps?

>>5613270
THESE DEMON COCKSUCKERS ARE GONNA PAY FOR FUCKING UP MY JETPACK. They don't make these anymore...

>>5613269
Be Gentle!, Bring it on!, I own Doom!, and Watch me die! Are the original difficulties for Doom 64.

>>5613275
>>5613280
its Doom 64: Retribution, is that not what i should be playing?

>>5613269
Watch me Die is the hardest difficulty in the original Doom 64.

>>5613291
Ah, I see. You should probably get Doom 64 EX first. It’s a more faithful recreation to Doom 64. Retribution changes some things up.

>>5613279
The problem is in the original doom they were meat shields to prevent you from progressing and forcing you to backpedal.

Doom 2016's design means monsters can do none of that, and as a result pinkies have no place except to, like every other monster, convince you to keep moving.

This is kinda why I say Doom 2016 isn't as much of a doom game as even something like Doom 3. Enemies aren't obstacles, they're keys and points to be collected. Imps will straight up run out of your path rather than restrict it.
Even doom 3 got this right, despite stripping out all of the action and direct empowerment aspects in exchange for fancy graphics. Enemies were still obstacles. You had to fight around or through them to progress.
Doom 2016 locks the doors and forces you to survive in a box.

>>5613295
Man, we are fucking snobs here.

>>5613248
>classic revvie screeches and charges you
>2016's sometimes just squeals like a piggie
>slower and sometimes just floats in place saying "hey fuck me up bro"
I haven't looked at much of Eternal's gameplay but is it better than 16's by a lot?

>>5613298
Nah. Play whatever.

>>5613279
I don’t really have a problem with them. They seem to be a bit easier with the new dash. Besides, there’s plenty of new enemies too, so Pinkies should be the least of your worries.

>>5613303
They haven't shown Revenants yet. Most of the enemies seem to function the same, they just have a new coat of paint.

>>5613279
A lot of Nudoom felt like Diablo 3 to me for some reason, not really "generic" but just kind of boring with its hell ideas and designs. Doom 3 was pretty slow but at least had some weird fleshy business going on.
It doesn't help that Eternal showed off some blueish hell bits that remind me of Reaper of Souls.

>>5613303
You can break their jet pack if you shoot them in the back enough.

>>5613314
those blue bits weren't hell.

>>5613314
Doesn’t hurt that they played a remix of Sign of Evil while they showed it too.

>>5613310
the cacodemons have a multiple shot attack now.

Yeah! I'm back, baby!
TONIGHT!

>>5613316
That's a bit concerning because the blue emphasis in Reaper of Souls aren't from demons.

>>5613298
There’s nothing wrong with Retribution, it’s just not fully accurate to the source. I’d recommend playing both to see the differences.

>>5613326
well what else would you suppose you'd be fighting in a Doom game?

>>5613321
fug

uh, what folder does the music in quakespasm go in again? it's not playing.

>>5613321
Gonna enjoy blowing them apart piece by piece

>>5613332
id1\music, track02-11

>>5613046
>It's time to kick ass and chew dog

>>5613337
And I’m all out of dog.

>>5613336
yeah so it's right where it needs to be but it's just not playing for me. also the mouse just feels... off.

>>5613346
... oh, no nevermind. music just came on.

shame about the fucky mouse, though.

new archville

yay....

and turns out I just needed to use the standard QS.exe instead of the SL1.2. derp.

I'd just like to nominate Alien Armageddon as the best way to replay Duke Nukem 3D

>On top of the new episode, new enemies and new weapons and new mechanics (alt fires, vending machines that give extra health), they're all added retroactively back to the classic four campaigns along with the ability to play with or as the real Ion Maiden

>>5613337
Nobody steals our burning dog hair and lives

>>5613363
please don't bring that /v/ shitposting here.

>>5613369
Uh... what? I really like this mod.

>>5613363
It’s good, but I still prefer the old version where I get killed by the door.

>>5612723
god I hate that thing more than the cultists

>>5613364
I ain't afraid of no escalator

>>5613397
Blow it out your ass! Gas station explodes in the distance

>>5612720
Takes a while for those bastards to actually chomp down on you so you need to time it just right. Their range is just as bad as yours but you've got speed. Berserk punches will occasionally take them down in one hit so it should be a cut and dry situation... until some hitscanner shows up to make things interesting.

>>5613363
Just tried it out. Seemed pretty good until i got the shotgun. The firing noise is complete fucking ear rape. Must be a bug, it sounds so bad it can't be intended.

>>5611984
Pretty good. Nice to have a Doom 1 mapset that isn't just remaking one of the episodes.

>>5613415
I know what you're talking about, and it's not the shotty itself (though it is the cause)

Delete bodyhit.wav

It'll stop that effect and the game will still run fine with the vanilla shotty body hit, enjoy

>>5613448
Thanks

>>5613091
they already blew up our submarine that was spotting Chinese boats illegally fishing in our sea (by the thousands) and our government decided to go out and say that it sank by accident because we don't have an army (or a real economy or balls)

>>5613458
it was for him >>5613107

>>5613458
I didn't know we used to have a submarine. Guess it wasn't /vr/thy.

>>5613471
I guess anon is argentine and the submarine was a german 1984 tr-1700 so is retro

>>5613091
China won't make mods illegal outside their goal.
They will make games even worse than they currently are, though, because the Chinese have AWFUL fucking taste in all forms of media. China is the reason Hollywood has been getting even worse, quite a few studios just aim for Chinabux at this point and that's why garbage like Bayformers keeps getting sequels. We should oppose China taking over the industry for that reason alone.

Are there any good Chinese-made DOOM wads? I remember seeing Japan did a collab megawad at some point.

>>5613474
Well China's gonna China. They don't care about rules. Shit. Chinese on the seas? They're probably armed to the teeth and then some. Effectively pirates. Ever talk to a seaman? It gets wild out there.

Also I like Doom.

Why do people actually want a new Duke Nukem game?
Do you guys actually remember what Duke 3D was like?

>weak, unsatisfying weapons
>damage sponge enemies, half of which are hitscanners
>seriously, second enemy you meet, who is a hitscanner, can't even be taken down with one shotgun blast, normally takes three
>boring, unmemorable levels
>most levels are cramped corridors
>clearly designed to be a place rather than a fun videogame level
>first person platforming over instant death pits
>first person platforming over instant death pits but the area you are standing is sloped so it does that build engine thing
>the few open areas are full of hitscanners
>the first enemy you meet can fly
>can fly in the first level which is infinitely tall for no reason
>switch puzzles
>no direct sequel, just two rushed expansions which reuse levels
>a couple of bad to ok ps1 third person shooters
>duke nukem forever

And now we are in modern day.
Face it, Duke was never good.
The only reason you remember him fondly is because you were 12 and you knew you were not meant to be seeing boobies.
Grow up and stop fawning over Jon St John because hes a Randy-backed shill.

doom wads inside a submarine?

>>5613478
I imagine most Chinese WADs (assuming they exist) would be D!Zone-tier trash on par with the 10728-in-one hack-fuck Famicom compilations they shit out. China fucking sucks at video games.

>>5613493
Doesn't matter. They make a game? Ok. They don't? That was expected. At least modders get more voice clips if a new game happens.

>>5613495
>32 MEGAWADS IN 1
>It's just Alien Vendetta with a new titlescreen and M_DOOM
>listed under 32 unrelated names

>>5613493
It's historically significant enough that it's worth playing. Sure it has its flaws, but even masterpieces like Doom has them.
A game like Duke Nukem (like Ion Maiden) or a sequel in the original style would be a breath of fresh air. The potential combination of fast paced gameplay with classic level design and the autistic level details and easter eggs will always be appealing, unlike modern shooters where it foregoes one or the other.

>>5613493
Shut up, Randy.

I want a game with the Build Trio together.

>>5613493
>>damage sponge enemies, half of which are hitscanners

You better not be a Bloodfag

>>5613495
China has a couple decent Touhou fangames, done in the style of the real games rather than shitty 3DCG spinoffs like most fangames, though those are basically all made by one specific group of fans. I'm sure there's at least one guy in China who's good at making DOOM maps, and if he found three or four other guys who are also good at that, they could make a megawad that's decent. 99.9% of wads from there are probably shit, but people will ignore those anyway so only the good ones matter.

>>5613517
>file name actually says "Extra Crispy" in it
Good job, retard

>>5613493
>Do you guys actually remember what Duke 3D was like?

Yes, and I quite enjoyed myself you baby shrimp dick

>>5613510
Why would Randy shittalk a game he sells?

>>5613523
Why would Randy take down a perfectly good version of a game to replace it with shit?

>>5613493
>just two rushed expansions which reuse levels
I figure you're trying to use Nuclear Winter as your argument base, but Duke Caribbean is a stellar map set and D.C. had some good-to-great levels outside of the museum level. Even Doom had it's share of unofficial expansions of questionable quality.

>no direct sequel, just two rushed expansions which reuse levels
That doesn't really matter. It's not like the first three main games of the series were some long epic about fighting the aliens from 3D.

>>5613172
Eviternity and the likes are just the video game variants of fat people. Technically, it's bigger and supposed to be better. But these details are like fat. Unwanted, messy and ugly, make the level worse

>>5612675
>>5613172
And here I am, liking both Sigil and modern maps.

>>5613519
Aren't the Chinese government like terrified of demons and witchcraft and shit and bans any depictions of things like it?
Can you even get Doom in China, legally?

>>5613536
That's not allowed. Where's your contrarian spirit?

>>5613526
So he can sell it to you again