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thief sucks

>>5503226
Bloodstone Prison wasn't scary at all.

The haunts and zombies didn't intimidate me. I can deal with haunts because I am proficient enough with the sword. We both played the Killing of Timer by JIS. Backstab them or get behind their backs and wail on them. Zombies can be incapacitated for a few moments or you can slip behind them if there is enough space. Not using stealth is a viable and maybe an easier way. The author included the note to play sneakily. I'm not sure if he meant that combat was supposed to be difficult. When I was playing Lost among the Forsaken I stumbled around the power station. I was walking in a badly lit room standing in shallow water. Suddenly I heard a moan and a zombie rose up. It startled me and made we want to run to the door, instead of taking out my sword and slash it into submission. Bloodstone prison didn't have these jumpscares. I wasn't startled. I wasn't grossed out. The ruined cell block with zombified prisoners was a nice detail. Felt like I was on my way to hell. Reading the warden's journal I expected to end up in an underground hideout with a big seat and a portal to the netherworld where I had to fight Jiggiwiddi. Not an office. That was dissonant. It is a nice you are given a holy one-shot weapon to deal with the boss. It is difficult to aim and the boss explodes like a sunburst device, so you have to keep your distance. Because the final battle took place in a plain room it didn't feel like an accomplishment, like in Seeds of Doubt. The boss was just another thing to kill.

Bando is an interesting addition to the lore. Maybe the Keepers aren't that all-knowing. It sure would make the criticism against the Keepers a bit more comprehensible. Maybe Garrett isn't that skilled after all. There seems to be a dynamic here, maybe similar to Artemus and Garrett, that sadly won't be explored further.

This FM also had a weird puzzle. I thought the bit about the candle was just fluff, but you actually have to put out the flame. Yet he is still caught in the necromancers spell, because he walks from the alter to the safe for all eternity. He just resets. Which was an odd sight, just like the scared zombified servant that would either hobble or float away.

>Separate threads or part of the Doom/Retro FPS thread?

No one ever fucking talks about thief in those threads, or even most other "retro fps", its literally all doom faggots circle jerking over shit mods. fuck them and keep the cancer contained within

>>5573071
Thief does not suck. It's an excellent game but isn't for retards. Doom is fun even for retards.

>>5573070
I just downloaded a shitload of FMs and I'm looking for more actually.
I've actually only played a few levels from Thief 1 and 2 actually, but in Thief 2 at some point I realized I could just get a guard to notice me, hit it with the blackjack like 6 times, and then it starts running to find another guard, but if I run behind it while it is running and hit it again it knocks it out without killing it, exactly like it would have done if I'd snuck up behind and hit it to begin with.

This allows me to cheese my way through sections with a ton of guards that wouldn't be possible otherwise, without killing anyone, but it feels almost like brute force cheating kind of. Is this normal to do?

>>5573070
>part of the Doom/Retro FPS thread
"No!"

>>5574048
What difficulty are you playing on?

>>5574048
It's an immersive sim, it's normal to do whatever you can come up with.

>>5574042
cry more

>>5574042
>It's an excellent game but isn't for retards
I'd twist that around. It is an excellent game, but it kinda is for retards. It's one of those game that at some point you realize how easy it is, and that some part of the difficulty is just for immersion's sake. Remove the blackjack, and now you have an actually balanced game.

>>5575481
Any FMs without the blackjack?

>>5575481
knockout limits are the way to go. self imposed, or built into the mission.

>>5574540
I was playing on Normal like a retard but is that why? I want to switch to playing on Hard just so there's more missions.

>>5578198
*takes a shit in your hair*

>>5578198
You can kill people by bashing them repeatedly with you blackjack. That may have been what was happening, at least some of the time.

>knockout everyone
>kill all monsters
>do puzzles at leisure

i can't help it but it makes backtracking easier and cuts down on mission time by half

>>5578614
>knock out everyone
>throw them all in a pile
>shoot them with a fire arrow
>quickload

>>5575481

The way I play is trying to do the entire mission without loading or dying. You have to commit to every mistake - run when you’re spotted, actually use healing items, live with alarms, etc. it makes the game much more difficult and immersive and victories in this style are satisfying.

>>5580065
this is how I play too, a lot more rewarding than boring as fuck ghosting or knockout limits which are just retarded.

Are the HD texture mods good?

I played the first couple TDS missions with them years ago and remember them being pretty shitty and inconsistent, but am curious if they've improved since then.

>>5573330
I agree 100%.

>>5580356
TDS is the only Thief with a decent finished texture pack. I don't remember what it's called though. Haven't played that one in the better half of a decade.
The Thief Gold HD pack that made the rounds some years ago is complete crap. It's just photosourced with no attention paid to actually matching the texture outside of "rock goes to rock. wood to wood". The extra trees and bushes are sprinkled around haphazardly with no regard to where they should logically be growing.
It's a mess.

>>5580356
Can't speak for TDS but the TG and T2 ones are terrible.

>>5580065
>>5580178
I try to do this, but tricky jumps are a pain in the ass.

GRAB THE FUCKING ROPE, GARRET, IT'S RIGHT THERE

>Hammer, anvil, forge and fire
>Chase away the hoofed liar
>Roof and doorway, block and beam
>Chase the Trickster from our dreams

>>5575481
>i need built-in restrains cause if it's in the game, I have to use it, even though is entirely optional

kids these days

>>5573070
Been a fan since the Dark Project demo released. Played the first level countless times. I remember when I got the full game and started the first mission: "Where the fuck am I?". The demo dropped you in front of the drunk guard that is "guarding" the well.
Metal Age was really good, Deadly Shadows was hard to like, those retarded cinematics where a mistake.
But the last Thief was godawful. What were they thinking? I hope someone else but LGS grabs the franchise and make something good for once.

>>5581912
I love their depiction of pagans as just stereotypical demons.

does anyone know what FM is this?

i NEED a clip of the mages voice lines
i dont know why but i really find them so fucking hilarious

A Thief 2 FM, by marbleman, Cracks in the Glass.

>>5580356

>>5583707
A Thief 2 FM, by marbleman, Cracks in the Glass.

You guys are noobs. I quisave more like ho test

>>5583712
All of the lines are there in the game, just unzip RES/snd.crf.

You're a taffer

>>5583759
im dumb and i dont know how to do that
i found the files but i dont know how to view them ;/

>>5583787
You can't play .wav files?

>>5583787
Unzip the .crf file with 7zip or whatever, it's the same as a zip file.

>>5583793
oh okay i figured it out
thanks anone

>>5581886
Newdark makes platforming more reliable. You just have to enable new mantle.

What beesies there?

Something about the inventory system is just terrible in this game, to the point where it would be fun and immersive if it weren't for it. I HATE having to scroll through my whole inventory to get to a key every time.

Is there a better way to do this? To access inventory items besides scrolling with the mouse?

>>5587982
hotkey commonly used shit like flashbombs, potions, the spy orb, and lockpicks

tab for compass since it doubles for clearing inventory

Are we all in agreement?

>>5583728
>soul/soulless

>>5587982
The inventory is fine since there's hotkeys. What's really annoying is the undifferentiated keys. Like oh, nope, it's not this key that works on this door, it's the other one that looks exactly like it.

the zombie sounds are driving me nuts
are they supposed to sound that annoying or is the audio just fucked with the new hardware

>>5589479
Of course not. I think Thief 2 is legit better and plays more to the gameplays strengths.
It would be perfect if it had juuust a bit of the fantastical element from Thief 1 however. But Thief 1 is a bit too full of tomb raiding imo.
Altogether Thief 1 and 2 are near a perfect duo. Thief 3 is still pretty great imo, especially considering the consolitus it suffered from. And had a better balance of heist and tomb raiding, but was weaker overall due to engine switch (weird bugs and what not), being made for console, and the graphics and animation fell further into the uncanny valley.

We will never be in agreement. That's why opinions.

>>5590694
whoops. Forgot my name was still up. Ah well, now you know my dark secret.
I have opinions.

Could someone please help me? I am looking for some book art, or whatever you call those .PCX files, for my FM.
It are two pages of a regular book with a note stuck between the pages. I'm not sure if it was from a FM or the OMs.

>>5589479
No.

How do i start playing anything else other than thief fms at this point?

I don't know of any other games that make me think and interact with the game world in such unique interesting ways. Some fms are the closest thing to a moving transcendental experience i've had with a video game.

>>5591803
It's from Thief 2, add Book -> Art -> notebook to a book.
If you're doing a TG fm, the texture is under RES/books.crf/notebook

>>5589479
You pretended to adopt that opinion precisely because of the fact that we were all in agreement and you wanted to be different. For full decade after the year 2004 the unwavering consensus was Thief 2 > Thief 1 > Thief DS. This overblowing of Thief 1's few strengths and Thief 2's few flaws is a very recent thing and transparently contrarian. It came out of nowhere too quickly and with no explanation.

Has anyone ever attempted to make a de-make mod of Thief 2 that replaces the new skies with the old pitch black pixel star sky, and the lightmaps with monochrome conversions? Seeing the locations of Thief 2 in the tone of Thief 1 would be cool. -Literally cool because the atmosphere of the cloudless sky and monochrome lighting is very cold in comparison.

>>5592995
you sound like an insufferable faggot

I noticed that thief gold has an option to enable joystick. Is there any way to trick the game into recognizing modern xinput?

>>5589479
To me it's TG > TDS > TMA, but it is just a personal preference, gameplay-wise TMA is slightly better than TG, but I thought some of the levels were too samey and the story was the weakest in the trilogy.

>>5592917
Thanks! Would it also be possible to switch between book art? Imagine the first two pages of the book are two regular pages without a note, and the second two pages have the note.

>>5594420
No idea.

>>5573071
t. Hideo Kojima

Tafferpatcher or T2Fix Lite?

>>5593005
>and the lightmaps with monochrome conversions?
Bad idea, 2's textures are desaturated to compensate for the color added by the lighting.

>>5594973
OK Razorfist

>>5596481
t2fix with the "no enhancements" option, or basically everything just unchecked except maybe dromed if you want to get a little dirty with that

>>5594707
I probably have to fuck around with an image editing program.

So which FM utilizes the rope arrow the most? I want to use this bitch like all the time.

Just started playing A Better Tomorrow.

>no sword
>no blackjack
>no hope

Is there some hidden trick when creating weather using Dromed Gold?

>>5573070
Just this one bro!

>>5602834
I'm either going to strangle you or create a tip in my FM you can buy at the start that is UTTERLY FUCKING USELESS AND TAKES ALL YOUR MONEY. But for real, I might be screwing up the Visible Distance (feet) setting.

>>5586783
Plumsies?!

>>5583312
Ever heard of The Dark Mod?

T2X any good?

>>5573070
Does anyone have any idea what the fuck is going on here?

>>5604881
>hit zombie with a sword that explodes zombies
>zombie explodes
>gib hits the player with enough velocity to kill him

>>5604881
the corpse exploded

now you are corpse too

A Better Tomorrow was easily 5/5 dancing skeletons on the fanmission spookmeter. I enjoyed the sense of helplessness.

Any other ones like it?

>>5604789
better than T2

>>5604885
maybe you should start by checking out some of the other shitty one-note missions by that same overrated author you impressionable brainlet

>>5605164
Eat shit contrarian faggot.

>>5605164
Name some missions spookier than Better Tomorrow.

Please.

>>5605164
Suck my dick you fucking faggot Greenbay is one of the best missions I've ever played.

I bet you like shitty bloated missions like Patriot or FTM Life you piece of shit

>HMMM MISSION BROWN AND DARK SO SPOOPY WOW IM LOCKED IN A TINY ROOM WITH A ZOMBIE WHAT MASTERPIECE

@5606070 (You)

Good to see that /vr/ has high quality discussion on par with /v/
Playing Steam version of Thief Gold, for some reason when I start the game there's no audio.
I've tried a few things but I can't get it to work at all.

>>5593432
No, that's people who try to be contrarians for the sake of being contrarian, he did a great job dismantling your shitpost for what is was, now go
have sex

>>5604885
Cryptic Realms?

nig

Any good maps with dangerous custom monsters?

Played Island of Madness, and while it was otherwise mediocre, it did use reskinned rumblers from System Shock 2 as a final boss, which was pretty neat.

>>5610902
>reskinned rumblers from System Shock 2
Aren't the treebeasts in Thief 2 just reskinned rumblers too? Meaning that they use the same skeleton and animations

>>5608175
>Good to see that /vr/ has high quality discussion on par with /v/
>/vr/ has high quality discussion
>on par with /v/
subtle.

>>5593005
>>5598503
>monochrome

And now I want to play thief in greyscale for extra atmosphere. Is there an easy way to make this happen? I don't think any of the levels require color vision to complete.

>taffin taffers been eatin all me beansie wensie tricksies and the taffin hammer

>>5611298
I looked around and found that in the fan-patched game there's an optional section of D3D settings in the cam_ext.cfg file and you can in fact lower the saturation to zero

; optional saturation setting when "d3d_disp_sw_cc" is enabled, 0 is black and white, 1 is normal color
; (does not affect menu screens)
;d3d_disp_sw_cc_sat 0.25

change that last line to:
d3d_disp_sw_cc_sat 0.00

(note the absence of the semicolon)

>>5611528
What about sepia toned, for that medieval noir feeling?

>>5611531
I don't know about that. And now that I tried the zero saturation setting, even that one doesn't seem to work for me despite what the cfg file says

Nevermind, the previous setting has to also be enabled to get monochrome working. The instructions were right there and I didn't read them.

>>5611528
Post a screenshot.

>>5611580
Okay, I actually found all the relevant settings to get black&white as well as sepia. The instructions were right there and I extracted the proper sepia values from the color of the briefing cutscenes themselves.

cam_ext.cfg settings for Black&White:
use_d3d_display
d3d_disp_sw_cc
d3d_disp_sw_cc_sat 0.00
;d3d_disp_sw_cc_rgbfilter 1.00 1.00 1.00

cam_ext.cfg settings for sepia tone:
use_d3d_display
d3d_disp_sw_cc
d3d_disp_sw_cc_sat 0.00
d3d_disp_sw_cc_rgbfilter 1.00 0.80 0.60

>>5611605
Looks really nice, actually.

>>5611528
>>5611605
I fucking love thief players/threads. Highest-quality social media experience, bar none. Thanks a bunch man, I'm about to play 'Undercover' for the first time like this.

>>5610902
The Black Frog (TMA) has werewolves, a scarecrow and this red bastard that chases you through the mansion. But is it a good map? I'm not sure.
Equilibrium (TMA) has you fighting against renegade keepers who wield swords and bows at the same time. Dangerous, but not too fantastical.

>>5583312
>I hope someone else but LGS grabs the franchise
late reply, but what did you mean by this? LGS is long dead and they sure as hell didn't make thi4f

>>5610902
The Black Frog (TMA) has werewolves, a scarecrow and this red bastard that chases after you in the final level. But is it a good map? I'm not sure.
Equilibrium (TMA) has you fighting against renegade semi-transparent keepers who wield swords and bows at the same time. Dangerous, but not too fantastical.

>>5611605
This is THE way to play. It just projects your mind onto the screen - how you remember the "feel" of the game from back then, can't really describe it. It's special. Thank you, Anon!

>>5583289
>heh who cares about balancing the game, just let the player intentionally gimp himself if he wants to

im a HUGE thief fan but having unlimited quicksaves and the blackjack was objectively bad. yes, i do fucking gimp myself, but i shouldnt fucking have to do that

>>5581886
>>5584098
Nah, Garrett will always find some kind of way to fucking propel himself in the air at 100mph by slowly jumping onto a rope and die.

>>5583752
Has anyone done a full conversion of the Thief textures with that AI program yet?

https://imgur.com/a/OKp2Ftc

Sepia Gallery of some screens I took.

And monochrome here:

https://imgur.com/a/igp7I8l

I am not the guy who "discovered" these settings, just a random nostalgia-fag.

>>5613167
>hd mod

>>5613221
meh, trying something new

>>5613098
I wouldn't want high-res AI upscales of things until the AI allows a human element where a user can first run a draft, then select elements and define outlines using bezier vectors. Basically telling the AI what you know to be true about the details because you know the AI is incapable of coming to the correct conclusion. If you look at some of the ESRGAN upscaled backgrounds in the Resident Evil games, you can clearly see that simple street signs that are obviously supposed to read "Raccoon City" are not being properly recreated into text because the AI is still too stupid.
That, and of course why the hell would you put ultra-high-red textures on top of geometry that doesn't exceed 2048 polygons per screen?

Has anyone tried the "difficulty mod" on moddb? How is it?