/vr/ - Retro Games

old pic, got better speakers

I just rescued this Trinitron from the curb, it has a weird green tint to it that seems to fade the longer it's on but still works fine otherwise. I couldn't just abandon it bros, it looked so sad and lonely.

Some bug just flew kinda slow while buzzing into my pvm 2530? I don’t know where it is or how to get it to come out or anything. Is there any danger to turn it on while the big is inside?

>>5554491
Yes your crt will explode if you turn it on with a bug inside.

>>5554437
I'm trying to get rid of one that looks a lot like that.

Is there any way to distinguish a 2950Q, a 2530, and 2030 just from the front?

Never forget.

Can anybody recommend some good, cheap scart cables for SNES? I see stuff from RetroRGB, but is some knockoff shit on Aliexpress just as good?

>>5554806
degree of the curve

>>5554850
>is some knockoff shit on Aliexpress just as good?
Nope. The Aliexpress shit is completely unshielded and will have diagonal checkerboard interference and buzzy audio. Retro Access, Retro Gaming Cables, Insurrection Industries, or OEM are the only ones I'd trust.

>>5554850
I bought a knockoff, no-name SCART cable for my Saturn and had to replace it because the buzzing it added to the audio was unbearable for certain screens.

>>5554861
Also, I just noticed that the 2530 has more pronounced ridge on the bottom of the screen than the 2030 or 2950Q.

>>5554850
I bought a no name genesis scart cable, cut off the scart, replaced it with some bnc connectors and a lm1881 sync stripper
it works 100% perfect but then again I'm getting my audio out separately from the from of the model 1 genesis

How hard would it be to make a D-Sub cable for the SNES that outputs analog RGB to a monitor like this one?

>>5555067
Pretty easy. Take decent SNES to SHART cable, remove SCART end, solder on d-sub 25 pin connector. Or if you want off the shelf you can buy a SCART to the Sony D-sub adapter cable.

What kind of stands does /crt/ recommend for larger monitors? I've been using a Mosjo from Ikea, but was planning on getting something bigger in case I get a CRT that weighs 100+ lbs.

What's the consensus on Wegas? Are they better/worse than the older curved-screen Trinitrons?

I have my PVM absolutely abandoned, collecting dust. I had it hooked to a PC with a 31 khz modded Radeon. I have to bring it back.

>>5555153
>in case I get a CRT that weighs 100+ lbs.
I wouldn't recommend it. You'd have to go above the 24-27" range at that weight, they're difficult to move, and most of the time consumer sets of that size won't look as crisp as their smaller counterparts.
You could check thrift stores for old furniture though. I run into TV stands specifically designed for CRTs all the time and even full on entertainment centers every now and then.

>>5555153
No specific recs, but I'll give you some advice for used ones.

Sometimes you'll be lucky when you find a local listing for a big consumer TV and a suitable stand that the owner was using will also be available, whether it's specifically listed in the ad or not. Try to cut a deal for taking both, saving the seller time and effort.

Sony, Toshiba, etc. often made their own stands that custom-fit specific models, and so did some home furniture companies. If it's a custom stand for the TV, and it's in good condition, try to find a way to keep the set together. If you can make the original stand work for you, you'll prevent it from going into the trash and disappearing forever, since the original owner will probably not find anyone to take it unless somebody else has a TV with the same footprint.

Even some universal third-party stands can be customized for specific brands and models. One model I bought to use with my Toshibas had an optional strip of wood to attach to the front for most TVs, which was meant to be omitted to accommodate Sonys with a wide, prominent front foot like the one pictured in >>5554437. Without the ability to remove/omit that strip, those Sony TVs would be recessed too far back. (I left the strip off anyway when using it with my Toshibas, to make opening their front panels easier.)

Sometimes stands will be listed as broken because of missing or shattered glass panels. If the glass is just for some front door, you can make do without it by leaving it doorless. If the bad glass is a shelf, and it's just a regular rectangle, those are cheap and easy to replace at any glass store.

Finally, don't forget to consider height. I looked far and wide for something tall and sturdy enough to fit a 235 lbs. Sony just because at the time I had a tall bed frame and extra thick mattress. Spent $400 on a solid wood one back then, new. Tall stands aren't common, so if you need one and find one in the wild, snap it up. Otherwise, cinder block elevators.

this is nice

>>5555153
what xbox hueg monitor is that?

Sorry for the bad quality

>>5555668
I've never played Splatterhouse, what's with the ghosting of the arm?

>>5555237
They're fine but usually have small geometry issues around the edges due to how "flat" screens are made. They're still curved but with super thick glass built up in the corner to make them flat. Glass acts like a lens so odd shapes can distort the image. Also they are generally heavier due to this. That said, they are good.

Tate 14M2U running a Sega Saturn via retro- access RGB BNC cables. Donpachi is kicking my ass reft and right

>>5554835

That was a golden day

>>5555671
Rick's mask projecting his raging energy

>>5554835
Casualty of society.

>>5554835
this is comedy on many different levels

>>5555555

gm crt thread I called the local news station and their stock of BVMs were sold at auction 10 years ago for 400 USD...

>>5555817

>>5555843
I thank god that meme following bandwaggoners like you can’t get access to them anymore.

>>5555264
>>5555307
Thanks for the suggestions. I've seen a couple of old entertainment centers at thrift stores, but they're either way too big for me to take back home or too small to support a CRT. I've seen some decent stands on Craigslist, but I've been considering one of those "Rolling Media Carts", since they can supposedly support 350 lbs.
>>5555581
Sony PVM-1954Q. It's only 20".

>>5555579
cute

>>5555862
thats how it is in this bitch of a world you boomer

>>5555579
perfect for a dreamcast

What TV is this?

>>5555937
PVM-20S1WE. To my knowledge, the only 16:9 PVM.

>>5555937
looks like a PVM-20S1WA, could be wrong though

>>5555951
>>5555958
Same thing, either way I want one.

>>5555951
>>5555958
>>5555961
Neat. I saw it as part of an installation at an art gallery near my work. Figured it was rare.

>>5555937
its shit

Do old games really look MUCH better on a crt tv than on modern screens when emulating?

>>5556393
They look different. "Better" is subjective, but I certainly think 240p on an SD CRT looks quite nice.

>>5555579
cutie

>>5556393
In my opinion at least, yes. It's no secret graphical fidelity wasn't great back then, either for games or for TVs. The relatively poor picture quality masks the relatively poor graphics and it comes together just looking like it should.
I only recently got back into gaming on a CRT and I'm honestly surprised by how good it looks, especially after years of trying to get by with retro consoles on modern screens.

>>5555579
yeah now to hunt down some older consoles ;_; finding a working dreamcast or snes is going to be a nightmare isn't it

on the brightside I already have an old genesis that's just missing a cable but that should be easy to find hopefully

>>5556393
Yeah I was watching an "newer" movie from a regular DVD on one & the picture quality was surprisingly good

Is that shadow mask any good?

>>5556393
It depends. I think the bigger benefits of CRTs aren't so much about how it visually looks. I think the bigger advantages are smoother movement, 480i not looking like shit, easy compatibility for older systems and no lag.

>>5555579
I used to work at a Uni and one of the doctors had one of these sitting around collecting dust. It was probably used a million years ago to watch procedure footage. It's composite only that I remember. Probably would have given it to me if I had asked. They had a few PVMs sitting around too but those probably would have never been given up

>>5556737
> It's composite only
So it's bad?

>>5556596
>480i not looking like shit
Personally I think 480i through a proper motion-adaptive deinterlacer looks better than naturally on a CRT. I agree with the rest though.

>>5556769
>480i through a proper motion-adaptive deinterlacer
lag

>>5556762
I wouldn't say a monitor is inherently bad just because it lacks better inputs. These tiny Trinitrons are still pretty charming, even if they could hardly compete with an RGB monitor.

got a JVC AV-32D303 today for free just walking down the street, how'd I do? does it look like it needs any adjusting?

>>5556896

>>5556905

>>5556896
Looks good to me. I also have a D series similar to that one as my main CRT. Mine is having distortion problems based on what's onscreen sometimes but other than that, It's good. They're solid sets.

>>5556896
>>5556905
>>5556913
It could use a good cleaning. Otherwise, it looks perfect.

>>5557008
>>5557094
thanks, and yes, it will be cleaned carefully. really excited about it, the S-Video looks amazing and it has component too. now I just need a sturdy enough stand

>>5556905
That's great geometry. Is that the 224p test though? If so can you post the normal grid? For curiosity's sake

>>5557137
yes, here is the 240

>>5556824
comfy

>>5557165
Both the horizontal and vertical sizes need the slightest of adjustments. You should be able to see the red dots inside of the outer boxes but not the red lines on the out most edge. Try adjusting it to where the red dots are as far as they can go with all of them still being visible. Don't bother with the 224p grid. It's really just an overscan fix for vertical and an underscan fix for horizontal, in your case. But like I said the geometry itself looks spot on and I imagine you're not running into any issues at all with scrolling. With the way it is right now you're just gonna see some slight black borders or garbage visual information on the horizontal edges of the screen in some games. Most notably on NES and Genesis as they have the most distracting examples of this kind of stuff. Should be incredibly simple to adjust in the service menu.

>>5554437
Man, how come I never find CRT TVs just lying around like you guys?

>>5557691
I guess it all depends where you live, in cities you probably won't find them, but small towns are pretty good spots. I'm the guy who found that TV and it's probably the 4th CRT I've seen out on the curb in the past few months. Couldn't pass it up so I stopped and manhandled it into my car. Trinitrons are god damn heavy, they have steel frames inside of them. My other TV is a bigger 36 inch Trinitron and the thing weighs 220 pounds. It takes at least 2 people to move and even then it's a brutal struggle even with a dolly. I never bothered to even take it off the dolly so it's now my ghetto TV stand. Makes getting behind it a lot easier.

Found this while looking up old magazines: French Nintendo Hotline using a KX14-CP1 monitor, and the Sega one using something that I can't recognize.

>>5554383
What model of trinitron is that?

>>5554835

PVM are not a meme

>>5557584
thanks for the tips. any good place to find service manuals? it looks like the only one on google for this model is behind a paywall

>>5559125
Tiny ones are

>>5559254
Hm, you may be out of luck. Try finding a service manual for a TV in the same series of a different size, or one that looks physically similar. The service menu should be reached and adjusted in largely the same way for a number of their sets from that time.

>>5559009
PVM 20N6U

>>5559260
Why? I play on a 9'' pvm and its really comfy

Thoughts on samsung PVMs?

dreamcast is NOT RETRO

>>5559475
Samsung's consumer sets are above average. Comparable to Toshiba. Their PVMs are likely great, but take that with a grain of salt as I have no personal experience with their PVMs.

>>5559475
All the Samsung video monitors I've seen are intended for stuff like security and industrial use, not much more than a TV in a big metal box.

>>5559695
what are Sony PVM for then?

How much of a broke ass nigger you have to be to unironically chase and get PC crt, LMAO.

This shit is barely CRT its just good at boosting to a good 480p display if needed, but what fun do you get from it? You still need speakers to output the sound, and good luck finding a pair of "retro" subwoofers..., remenber it won't even output direcly from the display.

>>5559392
luckily I was able to find one, and the user manual too. apparently this thing has 700 TVL; that's more than my PVM. I might just make this my main screen if I can find a decent way to convert SCART to Component. I made some adjustments but I wasn't able to completely center the screen due to problems with NES games handling the left side. still, I think it's as perfect as it's gonna get, and it has better geometry than my PVM too.

>>5559787
S-Video looks amazing too

>>5559567
>Samsung's consumer sets are above average. Comparable to Toshiba.
Honestly, no way, not for CRT TVs and especially not early ('90s) or late (mid-2000s) in terms of TVs contemporary to demanding vidya consoles. Toshiba was always a top 3-5 Japanese TV manufacturer up until 2004 or so when they ceased their own manufacturing. Meanwhile Samsung was only ever highly regarded for PC monitors that whole time. They were a bargain TV brand all through the '90s with no high-end features. By the time Korean home electronics started to become more prominent, reliable, and well renowned in the mid-2000s, unfortunately they chose to focus on slim tubes that have noticeably bad geometry. And those flawed CRTs represented their bargain option, since Korean companies were and still are the largest proponents of LCD technology in the world.

>>5559742
more for video stuff. their line more intended for security was originally the CVM series, got kinda merged into lower end PVMs

>>5559787
please god let me know what the NES palette looks like on this http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?t=13264 that sky is so fucking blue

there's a pal and an ntsc palette viewer

>>5559853
not sure what you're asking? I was playing using a RGB modded AV Famicom over S-Video

>>5559889
What palette were you using then?

>>5559892
"Improved"

>>5559787
>700 TVL
That's fucking awesome. Good score on that thing.

Should I but a cheap samsung PVM or put all my money in trinitron PVMeme?

>>5560169
Trinitron is certainly the safer bet, I guarantee you'll get a better monitor out of it, just do yourself a favor and don't go for anything pre-mid-90s. Recap will almost guaranteed be required and even then you don't know if that will fix the problems it may have.

>>5559125
They are for retro games.

>>5559787
Retrotek box is a great converter.

anyone familiar with Sansui CRTs? I got one from 1999 with the model number tvm1315 for my dreamcast and n64 but the TV seems to be RF/coax only. I cant find any service manuals for it outside of the paid ones.Probably gonna need a recap as well

>>5560373
>Sansui
belongs on the curb

>>5560169
Which assmung is it?

Just got the remote for this thing, Sony Trinitron KV-20V60, any suggestions on how to improve the picture?

>>5560664
I'd start by rotating it clockwise 90 degrees.

>>5560672
Not sure why it did that, my bad

>>5560675
because you live in Australia dummy

>>5560675
Looks like the image is very red, and possibly the brightness is set too high.

quick lads I have an LG RT21FE90VE and LG 29FX4BLE and my mom wants to give them away to some refugees but i convinced her to at least let me keep one and take my OLED instead, which one should I keep?

>>5561057
Tell your mom to tell the refugees to get jobs instead of watching TV like their lazy sandthief upbringing has encouraged them to do.

>>5561057
fuck off

>>5560373
>RF only
RGB mod candidate, otherwise ehh

I'd actually love to see more people try to convert RF-only TVs to RGB-capable units, it would expand the usefulness of existing CRTs instead of condemning them to destruction.

>>5560732
Shifted the color hue a bit and lowered brightness, also moved the screen up a bit, it felt low to me

>>5561437
looks like shit.

So I bought that chink pal<->ntsc adapter. tld;dr it does what it claims todo but its shit.
Picture quality is OK, lower than what you'd expect from composite, it also pumps up color to max so I had to set my tv's color setting nearly to zero. I tired psp with ps1 game, and it seem'd to be fine, there wasn't any (noticeable) delay or anything, but there is this border around screen, without the adapter its in full screen.

But then I tired retroport nes clone, and it gets bad. initially it seems promising, but when I actually play the game the scrolling is really laggy, it felt like I was playing 60fps game but forced down to 30fps in worst possible way. It doesn't do this when I plug it directly to the TV, or set the adapter to NTSC(but in black&white), only when its in PAL mode(in color).

So Im not sure if it cant handle 60fps or something, or if it really dislikes nes, but psp did work with it well to some degree. But considering I have to set all settings between when Im using the adapter and not, its really not worth the hassle.

>>5561461
thanks man, any suggestions you'd make?

>>5561517
I don't know what you're using for calibration but I used the 240p test suite.
It comes with color bars and geometry grids and following some internet guides I managed to fix my monitors colours.

Try it out.

Hey if I found a pvm with a very blue display, almost purplish and no amount of color correction seemed to fix it, what would you assume that was? It's hooked up to rgb and not set to component I checked.

>>5560475
Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if they were a budget brand. I got this for a 1.50 though. Guess it may be better than nothing. Ill just grab a rf modulator for now.

I can either get one of these late gen samsung PVM or buy a sony pvm14m2e but the faggot selling is pricing it at $350 and I have to add $20 for the trip to pick it up.

What do? This is lost technology.
My last resort is to go ask like a retard in every TV station for spares but I have no idea how to even reach the relevant people there.

>>5561437
>5561437
What are you plugging it in with? S video?

>>5561590
Working on fixing it now with the Gamecube version
>>5561756
S-video modded SNES mini

Now I need a multitap and friends

>>5561838
>friends
definitely the harder part

>>5559794
>no way
I can't speak for the entire Samsung family, but I have a TX-r2035 and it is the most crisp sd tv I have ever owned. The sound is pretty shit, but the picture is amazing. I would get a larger one of the same series, but they are all "ED" 480p tvs.

Recently got a PVM-2530, and it still had this piece of paper attached to it. Even has some "Sony Design" stickers on the side as well.

>>5562168
Oooh

>>5562179
Unfortunately. It looks like it'll have to be recapped at the very least.

>>5562096
I'd never tell anyone not to be happy with what they have, so I'm glad you found something that does. I just wouldn't ever say Samsung as a brand measures up to Toshiba in general, the way it was stated in the other post. They really did not aspire to make high-end video products until very late.

>>5561660
They were a high-end brand in the past, my musician aunt owned one of their stereos in her home and I'd listen to the radio on it all the time. But internationally their TVs are just Orion rebadges.

>>5562430
yikes
have fun with that

>>5562865
I'll probably end up selling it to someone willing to repair it. Thankfully, I got a Mitsubishi AM-2752A today as well, which seems to work fine.

So what makes a Trinitron better than everything else? I've got two Toshibas, one of them has bad color bleed on black pixels for some reason and the other is perfectly fine aside from needing some color adjustment, and I've got two Emerson TVs that I don't see much problem with (although due to one being damaged and the other being huge and not portable I use them a bit less). What makes the picture quality so different? I've also heard Trinitrons have AV out which would be really convenient for me for a handful of reasons

>>5563251
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperture_grille

They aren't universally preferred btw, Toshibas for example are generally great for shadow mask TVs.

>>5563298
Ah, makes sense. Thanks. Is it true some of them have output ports? Or really any CRT with output ports

>>5562878
That doesn't look very good

>>5561515
I guess getting upcoming koryuu transcoder and linking it with Garo to use NTSC is the only solution now. I'd prefer not to have two extra devices pluged in that need their own power supply.

Still best title screen graphics in the history of title screen graphics, maybe ever

>>5562667
My Apple II monitor uses a samsung tube

But I hate samsung's shit post-1987 so meh

>>5563298
>toshiba
>>5562667
>toshiba

My toshiba TV's a piece of actual garbage compared to every other CRT I own
And I've owned it since new and it's always been that way. model 27A42.
Sounds to me like someone has a case of the brand loyalties
…just like the "every trinitron is better than every other make" guys

>>5563321
Some do, but that's not a Sony-exclusive thing. I have a ProScan with video output too, though it's only composite despite the TV accepting S-Video input.

>>5563406
Like I said, their computer display division was fine, but they never marketed a high-end CRT TV in the '80s or '90s to compete with other top brands. Their increased focus on quality came post-IMF crisis, as did Goldstar's when they dropped the name and started branding their products as LG.

>>5563417
That's a small-tube 2002 model. It's made in Thailand, not the US, isn't it.

>>5563417
P.S.
That's s-video from a modded genesis
Check out _all the edges_ of the screen

And then compare to, uh, any good monitor
or any 'prosumer' tv set.

See how miniscule this distortion is by comparison? Both in terms of geometry and in terms of color convergence?

TL;DR Toshiba is as shitty as everyone else, stop plugging them

>>5563430
Pic of the rear label of your Toshiba, please. I've owned 4, all purchased new, and helped a friend pick out another. I'll help you with yours.

>>5563425
That panasonic was made in China for matsushita >>5563430

You didn't specify a year, either.

>>5563425
>but they never marketed a high-end CRT TV in the '80s or '90s to compete with other top brands
Yeah because their screens weren't actually that great
They were average as fuck
PC monitors included. Everything about Toshiba screams "meh." If you use the tried and tested design and aim for a budget conscious shopper, you don't end up exceeding expectations. Stop deepthroating toshiba. It's not bad, but it's in no way an exception. There are bad sony models. There are bad Panasonic/JVC/Matsushita models. There are bad Conracs (maybe I'm dating myself here). There are bad Ikegami's. Don't hold Toshiba up on a pedestal like it's better than the rest, or in some way an exceptionally good company, when it's pretty much dead on par.

>>5563437
No. I don't have it with me anymore because it's a pile of shit. I took that photo three years ago.
It's a 27A42. That's the fucking model number. Like I already said.

I have a 20L5, I have three JVC's of varying sizes, and I have a Commodore RGB monitor (tube manufactured by Chungwha, who also made the tubes in two of my three JVC's).

>>5563452
so basically I don't really want more CRTs and won't gain anything by picking up 20 year old lower middle class consumer garbage like a toshiba over my five RGB capable monitors

Thanks for offering to help, but you don't seem to know who you're talking to. Because 4chan.

>>5563450
No, I'm not referring to any pic, I'm ignoring both of those because I'm not interested in anything you're trying to show or teach me. I'm referring to the specific Toshiba you said you had.

The label is to establish the place of manufacture. I have a point to make once you do that.

BTW I forgot about another Toshiba I bought new for one of my businesses, I guess I've "bought" 5 but only personally owned 4.

I don't mind your attitude or your opinion about Toshiba, neither are important to me, I just want to see that label.

>>5563458
what, that later runs were outsourced to "pump em out cheap" sweatshops that would cut corners to make a cheaper product?
No shit sherlock

>>5563458
>I just want to see that label
Well too bad, you can't.
It's in a storage unit 30 miles from here.

I have no doubt it was a chinesium badge engineered $5 TV after opening it up to RGB mod it ages ago. so you can save your breath, if that's your point

>>5563460
So you do realize that it's not a Toshiba then, and your opinion about "Toshibas" inside the date range I specified here >>5559794 is not pertinent. That's good.

My only opinion about Toshiba is based on personal experience. I regard real 1990s and early 2000s Toshibas very highly, as did everyone who demo'd them against other manufacturers under either showroom or home conditions. And the only things I've ever said Samsung were all true, too.

>>5563471
>It's branded "toshiba"
>it's not a "toshiba" though
Lol
All the good panasonic monitors were made by Chungwha, but we still call them Matsushita.
iPhones are made by foxconn but we still call them Apple

>>5563471
A company with that little respect for its own image doesn't deserve my respect
>>5563472
Those are kind of bad arguments

>>5563472
"Well, it's IBM _branded,_ but it's actually eComStation" would be better

Or "Well, it's Bugatti _branded_, but it's actually a stock Renault 4 with a paint job"

I need to get an old (probably very good but nonfunctional) crt from a neo geo mvs cabinet that I'm trying to turn into a mamecab. I've already solved the VGAtoSCART cable that I made through a guide online a couple years ago, and with the proper drivers and gpu it absolutely looks gorgeous on all my crts, but I'm scared of even touching the old one that I need to remove. The screen's been probably off for ages, but what's the part that I should absolutely avoid touching in case I decide to try and do it on my own?

>>5563558
the connector under the rubber suction cup thing (the anode cap) and the transformer that the wire from the anode cap runs to
Also capacitor bottoms

help me out bros
i read somewhere that the best way to play vidya on CRTs is to hook them up with component/rgb but most vidya consoles (at least the PlayStations) come with composite, so is the some kind of composite2component converter? or are there aftermarket console component cables? or what exactly?

what's a fair price for a good 19" PC CRT
Vivitron 1100 if you're curious

>>5562878
what's this grid i keep seeing people show?

>>5563704
240p test suite

>>5563251
I spent hours with my dad comparing TV sets in the mid 90s. Store had dozens of 25-32". He went with a RCA 27" over even the Sony models because it looked better.

>>5563596
Even if you are converting composite to component you are still constrained by the low signal bandwidth of the composite. A signal or chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

You want either aftermarket or first party cables, depending on if they were ever made first party or not. There are aftermarket PSX component cables, I believe - I know there are RGB ones - but IDK if there were official sony ones because I basically never use a playstation for anything ever
>>5563694
Free off a curb/free from some dude at HAM convention unloading his garbage
>>5563858
Shadow mask can beat trinitron but it's subjective which one has the "nicer" picture. Also nicer picture in 480I live action TV != nicer picture in 240p sprite vidya.

>>5563558
>what's the part that I should absolutely avoid touching in case I decide to try and do it on my own?
If you have to ask this question, the answer is "Any of it". Don't fuck around in there if you're not absolutely confident you won't kill yourself.

>>5563375
After doing some more testing, I'm convinced it just handles 480p in a very weird way that results in a lot of underscan. Anything 240p looks great on it. Anyone else have any experience with these?

>>5563914
>You want either aftermarket or first party cables
so everyone with these fancy BVMs have one of these aftermarket component/rgb cable for every one of their consoles? are they easy to find?

>>5563596
Best practices vary by system and are even up for debate. Since you mentioned PlayStations, the most straightforward thing to do is use a PS2 for both PS1 and PS2 games and connect it using either component or RGB to your display. You'll be covered for everything except a few PS1 games that are incompatible with PS2. All you would need is the right cable for your display. You wouldn't use the composite cable for anything, you just set it aside.

Choice of display also makes a big difference. In general, to keep things simple, you just avoid PC monitors and HDTVs for retro games. They have their uses, but not in this context. You want an older TV that isn't HD, or a pro monitor that behaves like an old TV. Then you just connect the system using either component or RGB, whichever the display accepts.

>>5563914
Sony made official JP21 RGB cables for PS1/2/3, component cables for PS2/3, and D-terminal cables for PS2/3. Pretty sure they also made official RGB SCART cables for countries that used it. That's in addition to S-video and composite cables for all of them. In the PS3 era, Sony themselves also made a "premium" line of some of their cables, presumably to go after the Monster cable-buying crowd. PS1 hardware can't output component.

>>5563997
I don't have one of these but display settings are probably just saved separately by scan mode like multiscan PC monitors. If you adjust raster position for one resolution it might not affect the setting for any others. If that's the case, you could just calibrate it in 480p the same way you'd do 240p.

>>5555153
>What kind of stands does /crt/ recommend for larger monitors?
How much space and money do you have to throw at the problem? Better-built 72” TV stands are one of the few reliable new-in-store options around, but I wouldn’t recommend running out and buying one just to put your Wega on it.

Otherwise, try and nab one of the official stands to a heavy CRT off of Craigslist.

I've asked this many times over the years and never quite got an answer, so I'm going to keep trying and expecting different results.

How do you deal with cable management, specifically power cable management?
I've got two holes on my wall, six on a power strip, but 12 consoles, one of which has three power cables because sega. Plus I also have to worry about the tv itself and the extron crosspoint all my video cables go to, along with vcr/laserdisc/betamax/etc.

I'm thinking of going to rack mount power strips. Anyone else here have a different/better solution?

>>5564118
Been looking at those tripp lite ones myself. They look ideal. I think pyle has one for a bit less money.

>>5564114
56" of width and 50$ is my limit, so I'd say nicer options like that are off the table. Found this one on Craigslist, and it seems pretty sturdy.

>>5564068
isn't component the same as rgb? also is pic related adequate?

>>5564147
Long story short, yeah, component is different from RGB.

You can judge the result for yourself on that TV. As long as it's not an HDTV/"100Hz" model and it has the right input, it should work well enough to get off to a running start.

Are you in a PAL country? Does that TV have RGB SCART input? What about component video?

>>5564231
i don't think it has SCART, it has Composite and Component (Yp Yb R things), but i don't see any scart port, yes i'm pal.

>>5564245
Then if you have a PS2, what I'd do if I were you is get an inexpensive set of PS2 component cables (common online) and see the difference between composite and component on that TV for both PS1 and PS2 games. But you should really find out if it's a 100Hz TV if you can.

>>5564282
the catalog i found from the internet doesn't list specifications, just basic information regarding the connectors and menus and shit.

>>5564290
>catalog
i meant manual. also why is 100Hz bad?

>>5564292
Well, and I'm hoping PAL users will step in to correct or confirm, the source of most problems with 100Hz seems to be that the doubled refresh rate from 50Hz can be utilized in different ways. The point of it is reduced flicker, but the implementation makes all the difference. The least harmful for retro games is simple field doubling, which wouldn't be so bad besides rendering light guns incompatible. What's much worse for games would be forced line doubling (which is the problem we NTSCers have when playing retro consoles on most HDTVs) + frame doubling. Also bad would be any motion interpolation being used in any case. So who knows, not knowing the exact behavior of your TV, it might still work fine for you even if it is 100Hz as long as it just does basic field doubling and nothing else.

Whats the point in getting anything but PVM?

>>5564141
Pic related is my current stand.
I've been looking for months for a cheap (got it for 15€) old TV stand with glass doors.
My main reason for wanting one was to keep the dust from getting to my consoles.

My only probl3m now is that the PVM sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm considering giving it a coat of black paint and getting bigger speakers on each side to make it look a bit better.

>>5564628
Everything else is easy to find and free.

>>5564628
>Can be expensive and hard to find
>Consumer sets can be found much more easily
>There are other pro monitors out there
>Some people prefer shadow masks to aperture grilles
>Not all PVMs do RGB

I am noticing the edges are warping a bit towards the top of each side when the image gets darker. The darker the image, the more it warps. Bright images do not appear to have this issue at all.

>>5564887
Post pics. What kind of CRT?

>>5564920
Jvc d series.

>>5564887
>>5564953
Could be unavoidable bloom.

Another thing to try is to turn off any SVM//VSM you can see in the user menu, which you should always do anyway.

>>5564994
Thank you. I will look at it when I get the chance.

Has anyone ever hacked a CRT into a portable emulation machine? Like taken a 9" CRT and put it in a custom case with mini PC board +wireless controllers in a storage compartment. Whole thing battery powered or runs off AC.

Just seems like an obvious idea but I can't recall ever seeing it done.

Or instead of building a custom case you could just mod an existing portable color CRT. For controllers you'd just keep them in a little separate storage bag. I know the rational response to this is "Not worth it / why not just use an exterior mini pc if you are going to lug around something this size".

But I just like the idea of having it so clean. Where there is no real set-up. Just sit it down on the table and push the power button and there it is. I'd even go as far as saying it would be better to use some hardware with a very short boot time like a SOAC + flash cart. Something that as soon as you hit that power switch a game list pops up.

>>5565107
I don't have the pic but maybe some other anon does.
I once saw pic of a CRT with a built in Gamecube.
It was made by some dude for Smash tournaments (or so I remember anyway).

>>5565045
Working on the inside of a Television Vs. a fucking external Box that does the same thing.

>>5565045
Okay so my Ninjawarriors, the 6 player X-men and various other arcade cabs use a mirror to achieve interesting effects. If you set a portable color CRT on its ass it feels like a nice basis for a mini arcade cab to be built around it however this would require the Y axis to be reversed. Is there a simple way to rewire a CRT to achieve this or is it something that's better accomplished through software?

This is an open question of mine

>>5564772
>>5564663
So what if its expensive you think PC crt are worth shit?
I have no idea whats the difference between current oled and pc crt, I mean for retro purposes, pc crt are just bigger and less details on screen...

>>5565435
I was talking about the stand the PVM is sitting on. Why did you reply to my post?
I never said anything about PC CRT or oled.

I don't personally care what others use for their retro needs.

>>5564772
This is not true.
>>5563914
>Free off a curb/free from some dude at HAM convention unloading his garbage
And this is a plain shitpost.

I can get a pvm 1343md or pvm 1910 for the same price, but I can get only one, which one is better?

>>5565840
If you need a bigger one, get the small one.
If you need a smaller one, get the bigger one.

>>5565848
Well, then I should get the 1910, I already have a bvm 1311

>>5565434
Just swap the polarity you have the deflection wired up for; It'll end up displaying a mirrored image which would look proper once reflected off the mirror.

>>5564068
>If that's the case, you could just calibrate it in 480p the same way you'd do 240p.
I can't access the service menu, so all I could do was fiddle with the controls on the front. The only one that seemed to have a noticeable affect on 480p output was setting V-Scan to Auto, and even then it still be far from filling the screen completely. Even selecting Over on the Scan switch didn't have any effect.

>>5566108
And a manual for a different Mitsubishi monitor describes different presets like you said, but only mentions changing them via a remote, which I don't have.

>>5563452
>>5563457
Why are you acting like this big of a cunt over something as stupid as a TV

>>5566317
I posted something about Samsung's build quality and brand reputation relative to Toshiba in the '90s and he decided it was morphin' time because he owns a rebadged 2000s Orion shitbox that says Toshiba on the front

>>5564953
This is a bit of a strange case, anon. The thing is most CRTs have worse distortion the brighter the image is, and it's the complete opposite of this, as in it typically results in some sort of barrel distortion and not pinchushion distortion as in your image. I can only guess it's fallen a bit out of calibration due to someone fucking with it, a bad cap, etc. OR there's a chance that this particular set was calibrated in a way differently from most sets from the factory. Most likely the former and not the latter. You're going to have some degree of distortion like this on any consumer grade set, period. The good news is you can likely adjust this, but for your sake I hope it's something you can accomplish from the service menu.
Once you get the dark image set straight you're likely going to have noticeable barrel distortion from bright images. You can adjust this to a reasonable degree by turning down your TV's white peak then dialing back the contrast. It's labeled something different by most manufacturers. Sometimes it's white peak, sometimes image value, etc., but this is something you also should be able to tackle through the service menu.

>>5563457
You are a faggot

Anyone know what their YIQ to RGB conversion matrices are? Tryna compile a list.

What gives a CRT "soul"?

>>5566860

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX649lnKAU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea6tw-gulnQ

What's a good adapter that can connect a PC CRT to a graphics card with HDMI?

>>5563457
>>>5563452
>so basically I don't really want more CRTs and won't gain anything by picking up 20 year old lower middle class consumer garbage like a toshiba over my five RGB capable monitors
>Thanks for offering to help, but you don't seem to know who you're talking to. Because 4chan.
Please post your red dit username so I know the royalty I'm talking to then, or are you scared?

>>5566860
The cancer causing rays bombarding you.

>>5566863
So far he's just going over color mixing and subpixels / phosphor dots and it's the same as LCD panels except that it isn't 1 pixel to triad like in an LCD panel.

But that can't be it, that can't be all you need to give an image the same "soul" as CRT, else non-integer bilinear scaling on an LCD panel would be about the same?

Decided to buy a TV stand that another anon was using a thread ago, and I like it.
Beats having it on the floor.

Yoinked this from the street about 20~ min ago and it works fine. Only issue is on some games there’s stereo crackle and bass boost while on others it’s perfect audio. Might get a periph system. That aside, how’d I do?

>>5566860
round tube in all directions
shadow mask
wood

>>5567896
>using built in speakers

One of these is being sold 2.5 hours away from me. I'd pick one up and mod it if I didn't already have plenty of CRTs.
https://mikejmoffitt.com/articles/0051-nettv-rgb.html

>>5567971
>not reading that I’d get real speakers

>>5554835
im new to it all but please correct me if im not, but the joke is that he connected RCA cables to it right? instead of s-video or RGB? How hard is it to get rgb going for snes btw? is it like a fuck ton of wires?

>>5568138
Are you the original poster?

>>5568138
He has composite and a audio connection plugged into a YPbPr inputs. It's more of joke on zoomers that have never owned a CRT in their lifetime picking up their first time

While trying to find more info on my AM-2752A, I discovered an archived official site with info on Megaview and Diamondtron CRTs that I haven't seen anywhere else. Hope someone else finds it useful.
https://web.archive.org/web/19970401171409/http://www.mela-itg.com/megaview_display.htm

>>5568138
Basically he spent big boy dollars on a PVM and hadn't even researched it enough to understand that RGB or YPbPr wasn't composite and red audio. PVM are mono, so apparently he was confused and must have plugged the red audio into the "R" input and the white audio into audio, and the composite into I believe "G".

It was a funny exchange, keks were had, kind of like the dude who claims to have sucked a broken pin out of an rca jack. It was more funny because every thread it was brought up and the anon got a bit triggered til he learned to laugh about it. Kind of like "The Guys" exchange.

>>5567896
Looks a little dirty but I like the size and shape of it, looks like you might wanna turn down the contrast a bit but I've never played F-Zero X and it might be the camera so I'm not even 100% sure of that

>>5568138
Nothing is plugged into where it belongs. None of those cables would ever be that far apart, the three (sometimes two if the TV doesn't have stereo) ports are almost always right next two each other

I'm planning on upgrading my Trinitron KV-21T1D to a larger one with two SCART slots. I've had problems making mine play nice with NTSC signals so the new one would preferably not be black and white when fed 60 hz content. 4:3 ratio obviously. As a PALfag what are some great models in the 21-32" range?

>>5570186
Anything newish should do in regards to NTSC support. Also, only one of those scart inputs will be RGB.
Can't recommend anything in particular, as what's available will vary widely from country to country. B&O is the only thing that comes up for sale regularly here. Everything else has mostly been recycled by now.

How much should I pay for a 21'' Trinitron KV-21LT1E?

>>5570343
Not a whole lot. I have a similar model. It's not terrible, but it does have a droopy corner.

best part of a pvm is having a good one with 2x rgb/component inputs
which makes it no switchboxes needed

I have an iMac G3 that displays a beautiful picture and don't really have interest in using it as a computer. Is it possible to play console games on it?

>>5570571
I looked into that myself a couple of years ago, and it's not straightforward. One problem is that the monitor is apparently turned on using codes from the computer motherboard and I couldn't figure out a way to force it on. Even if you get past that hurdle, it seems that the monitor only actually supports a few specific scan rates that don't match up with what consoles output, either directly or upscaled e.g. via an OSSC or Framemeister. A sufficiently determined electrical engineer could probably come up with a way to make it work, but it was well beyond my abilities.

>>5570571
You could run emulators on it. Needs some internal modding to use it as a monitor with an external source, more if it's a slot load model, and it's fixed ~60kHz horizontal refresh rate so not a nice multiple, you'd need a kinda fancy scaler to use with an SD console source.

>>5570571
Connectix Virtual Game Station is a commercial PS1 emulator that runs great on it, and there are plenty of emulator that ran on Mac OS Classic.

If you find a USB video capture dongle that somehow has Mac OS Classic drivers, you could give that a shot. A long shot.

>>5570680
The thing can actually run Tiger believe it or not. I'm just going to put Tiger on it and use it as a PC I guess since it's so complicated using it as a monitor.

>>5570687
My own last Mac was pre-G3, and I only ever had to support other Macs that still ran some version of Classic. My advice was bad anyway, I forgot they phased the original form factor out before introducing USB 2.0.

>>5570703
most do have FireWire though, can use that for video capture.

>>5564628
Meme pricing and some people would prefer their retro battlestation to not look like a colonoscopy cart.

>>5571048
>dat aesthetic
what I wouldn't give to be back there

I may be able to get a cheap ssm 20n1, but it only has composite and s-video, s-video is fine, but I wonder, is it possible to rgb mod this set?

>>5570376
You still need them if you have more than 2 consoles.

>>5571487
How do people manage to be this awful at taking photos? Honest question.

>>5556579
There are plenty of working dreamcasts and SNES's. The only issue with dreamcasts generally is the optical drive. You can replace that with an SD card reader these days though.

Does anyone know what the numbers in this menu mean? I can change each of them to any value between -- and 99. Bush 1434AK20, a shitty portable set I got from the side of the road.

Also if anyone can confirm my fears that the only way to fix the picture not taking up the full screen would be to crack it open and stick a screwdriver in it?

Honestly how easy is it to just stumble upon a CRT on the side of the road? Where would be the best place to look for them?

>>5571508
phoneposting without due care and attention

>>5571776
Depends where you are. Depends where you are.

>>5571691
Read the service menu if you can find it. If it's got a service menu there probably aren't pots inside, just the menu. Possibly no horizontal size control at all.

>>5571862
Be that as it may, do you think my location matters at all?

>>5571048
>that profeel

>>5571048
Pricing isn't bad on pro monitors. Maybe to the ultrapoor cheapskates they are. Look at how much pinball machines are going for ($3k-10k).

>>5571508
I was away from home for a week of training at work. I took the pic with my phone, unfamiliar lighting, no access to computer to proof the pic, etc. It's shit but the only pic I had of my temp setup. The cocksucker also flipped when I posted but I had no idea until now, sorry about that.

Imagine how autistic I looked carrying in a portable "tv" into a hotel and it's good for some laughs. At least the snes was inside my suitecase.

>>5571776
Very easy, just look while you drive to work in a bit older residential area, obviously not in a mcmansion suburb made 5 years ago.

>>5571048
What about the PVMs that started off as Profeel monitors?

>>5572249
Reddit likes them.

What kind of sad loser gives a damn what reddit likes?

>>5571776
Look up when large trash collections are taking place in your area. I saw a handful of CRTs on the side of the road during one of those days.

>>5571163
It's probably mechanically similar to the PVM-20N5U, which has been RGB-modded before. Although I would honestly recommend just finding a consumer set with component and S-Video instead. It'll probably have substantially less hours than a security monitor, have a larger display than 20", and won't have to be modded.

>>5572249
They’re stylish and period-appropriate. Just memed to hell price-wise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTRe2_Cdtb0

Would it be possible to play GB/GBC/GBA games on a CRT TV without it looking like ass or tiny, through emulation software?

>>5572486
yeah just upscale it without filtering it should look ok

Is there an NES mod to use YPbPr component directly without converting from SCART?

>>5572486
Easiest would be a soft modded wii, built in analog, cheap component cables are readily available.

>>5572486
I play GBA games on crt with mgba and it works great. Just have to set the resolution to something 480 lines high to avoid scaling artifacts.

>>5572579
http://etim.net.au/shop/shop.php?crn=203&rn=549&action=show_detail

>>5571691
What's the model of this TV and the picture's connection output?

>>5572626
>Bush 1434AK20
Output is composite AV through a scart adapter.

>>5572625
That's an add-on to the NESRGB though

>>5572635
Oh, can't find the TV model on google, It's an european TV brand it seems.

>>5572486
You could use the gameboy player with the game boy interface

>>5572640
Yeah, it's the kind of shitty generic portable TV that used to be everywhere back before LCD took off. I've been unable to find any documentation on it except some vague and irrelevant mentions.

>>5572637
No shit, Sherlock. How else are you expecting to get YPbPr out of an NES?

>>5572652
Idk I thought there would be another way that's not $100
thanks anyway for the help

>>5572486
Wii can emulate them in full screen-ish, -ish because gb/a's screen aspect ratio isn't 4:3 like on your typical tv or monitor, but you can stretch it to full screen but it wont look as nice

Anybody have the 'crush ikeas with your crt' image

Are there any cheaper alternatives to the NESRGB?

>>5573095
emulate

>>5573095
>Are there any cheaper alternatives to the NESRGB?
A French NES :^)

In AnyRegion Changer on the Wii, is it possible to change the video setting to PAL, while keeping the Game and Area NTSC? I'm trying to get RGB out of an NTSC Wii while making as few changes as possible.

>>5573243
that's just composite over scart

>>5555757
Autism incarnate.

>>5573285
It’s technically Composite transcoded to RGB but pic related still stands.

>>5563321
I might be a little late here, but usually the output jacks aren't even buffered so it's literally the same as making a splitter y cable

Looking at getting a PVM-1271Q. Seller describes the screen as being "shaky" and "glitchy". Anyone know what might actually be wrong with it, or is it just a simple recap?

>>5573354
it looks like it's dying

>>5573354
I wouldn't pay more than maybe $20 for that thing considering that you have no idea what's wrong with it. You can get a working 1271Q for about $80-$100 whenever they turn up locally.

Shhh, it's a secret.

>>5573095
wii

>>5573316
>It’s technically Composite transcoded to RGB
no its literally just composite, see pin 19

>>5573095
a real unmodded NES with real NES-generated colors

>>5573623
>no its literally just composite, see pin 19
Not true for the French model. The French model contains a decoder circuit using a Sony V7021 that converts the composite signal from the PPU into RGB and outputs that via a unique connector.

Is the pvm 2030 good? Also, does it accept pal video ? The spec list from Reddit says it doesn't but RGBtech says it is multistandard.

>>5573671
Sorry, I meant retrotech

>>5573671
>>5573676
It's not spectacular as far as pro monitors go, but I would still recommend picking one up if the price is right. Lower TVL count means it'll have a softer image than most other 20", and you'll need a weird 25-pin adapter to do RGB.

"Q" is usually added at the end of PVMs to denote multistandard capabilities, and the 2030 doesn't have this. so I'm assuming it won't accept PAL.

>>5568861
It always amuses me now when I see it.
[/spoiler]It was only 50€, how could I have let it go?[/spoiler]

>>5573703
Someone nearby is selling one for about 150usd shipped, I think it's a little high but in my area is hard to find monitors bigger than 14". But, I think maybe the monitor is capable of displaying pal video, since retrocables sells an adapter to connect scart to the weird RGB port, maybe it doesn't have q in the name due to it being an older model?

I love my CRT. Same one I’ve had since I was in high school.

I’ll never give her up.

>>5573727
What happened to your poor NES

>>5573727
Good on you, anon! Same here, and I even fought my parents off who tried to make me get rid of my 19-inch Zenith in order to replace it with an LCD (now I have both, though)

I have a professional Panasonic monitor but the screen looks too yellow compared to normal. Is it possible to fix it?

>>5573727
This picture is gorgeous, except for that disgusting (DISGUSTING!) gold NES. Excellent job. (Except for that THING)

>>5573782
How is the color temperature set on it, and what are the lighting conditions in your room? White on your screen should be matched to the color of a white sheet of paper with ambient lighting shining on it.

>>5573803
It was on 9300k and it's very noticeable on whites in a dark room. I have other CRTs which don't seem to have the same problem but they're not professional monitors.

>>5573816
High color temps skew towards blue whites, so that sure isn't it. Does the color normalize after leaving it on for a while?

>>5573727
>mfw I know the story about that gold NES from the battlestation thread
>these people will never understand the context of this ugly abomination

>>5573859
Well, do your part and clue us in, buddy.

>>5571863
>>5572626
Finally found some service instructions for it and got it fixed. Thanks for the help guys.

>>5573623
The composite on the SCART is PAL, the transcoder providing the RGB is so that it could work with SECAM only TVs.

>>5573749
Used to volunteer at the children’s hospital after a long stay myself. Used to bring in consoles for kids to play with. Young girl was learning to paint and wanted something to practice with, so I offered my nes. Haven’t had a reason to switch it out yet.

I am fully aware it looks like hot garbage, but that’s the charm of it for me. She’s doing well now.

>>5574246
>Used to volunteer at the children’s hospital after a long stay myself.
I almost got mad at the nes gore, but I read this and realize that all is correct cosmically, and that NES is worth more than a new one in the box. Glad to hear all is well.

I found a Sony PVM-14N1U at a nearby electronics shop. The clerk said the seller wanted $65 for it, so I figured breaking in to CRTs with an S-Video Trinitron wouldn't be that bad a deal.

I'm going to pick it up later today, but is there anything I should request before purchasing it? I'm not going to miss the $65, but I didn't know if I should ask for the monitor to be turned on first.

>>5573828
I don't think so. I often plug a Wii into it for emulation purposes and the slight yellow tint seems to persist.

I'm kind of new to CRTs can someone tell me if my crts alright.It is a 28pw6615/05 PAL CRT.
Help with accessing service menu is also much appreciated as the codes I used doesn't work.

>>5574394
It's widescreen and a flat tube, but it looks like it has a 4:3 mode, isn't 100Hz, and has RGB SCART (and S-video) inputs, so at the very least it should be a good starting point. Could even be great, but you'll be the judge of that. Didn't look into service menu accessibility, but good luck.

>>5574462
Thanks anon.For future reference this is what it looks like.

>>5574497
looks like shit

>>5574394
>It is a 28pw6615/05 PAL CRT
What make is it?

>>5574518
I'm bad at taking pictures of these things.
Looks alright in person.

>>5574497
Looks like there's some distortion in the photo itself, but the image looks crooked, and you should take it out of its widescreen mode (switch it to 4:3) when not playing widescreen games (basically all retro consoles/games).

>>5574527
Phillips

I got some discoloring that wont quit, what gives?

I also have nothing magnetic near it at all.

>>5574559
Buy a proper degaussing coil, try that, and report back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pVLizAHby4

>>5574559
Does your model have a degauss button on the back like this one? >>5562168

>>5572663
Nope, if you want the meme, you gotta pay meme prices unfortunately. NES has damn good composite, especially with shielded cables.

>>5573303
Pic related is so comfy. Having an outdoor patio or porch to play on is top tier relaxation. I need to take my 20" outside and play.

>>5571487
>Tv is as small as the Nintendo
C'mon guy. U need at least 19"

>>5570571
Run Mac games

>>5574724
Not him, but I disagree. 14" is the smallest I'll go, and I own an 8", a 9", a 14", and a 20".

Picked up a free 27" JVC i'Art last weekend. Hoping I can fix some of the geometry issues once my remote control for it comes in the mail.

>>5574695
How can you tell if they're shielded?

My uncle is throwing away a Bang & olufsen Beovision 1 CRT TV. Should I pick it up or let it go to the dump? It would be my first CRT.

>>5575017
I have a couple where the yellow cabel is THICC
Pretty sure they're shielded

>>5575020
Do you want it?

>>5575020
It's a good tv

>>5575020
Yes. If only because B&O sets look cooler than 99% of other CRTs.

>>5565435
>all those VHSs

nice anon any rec's for finding regular old DVD's of old shows or anime?

>>5575169
Not him, but Amazon.

>>5575037
You might be surprised. Just because the insulation is thick doesn't mean the cable inside it is any good.

>>5573727
>Gold NES
Unironically has SOUL

>>5575020
Get it get it get it

>>5575020
it's rare and worth a lot of money, get it

>>5575020
If this isn't a joke, rescue it. These were high-end and very expensive. If your uncle honestly doesn't want to try selling it (someone *would* buy it) and you can't make good use of it, take it and find someone to take it from you.

>>5575208
Unironically shut up

>>5574246
Aw, that's actually really cute.

>>5575020
I like mine, but I'm not a turbosperg when it comes to CRTs. The motorized stand is cool too, but I'm not sure what they had in mind in regards to cable management..
>>5575232
Depends on where you live. I think I got mine for free.

PVM 1954Q

Don't forget to take care of your CRT anon

What type of video output do most arcade machines use?

>>5576461
Rgbs

>>5576461
JAMMA.

>>5576461
magical fairy dust conduit

>>5575939
>MISS
I guess they do sometimes, huh?

Hoping I can get some help here, I've got a Sony PVM with RGB inputs that are giving off a slight but very noticeable green tint.
The problem was intermittent with a SCART to BNC adaptor a while ago, and recently it became permanently green tinted. I tried isolating every possible factor.
- Different consoles with the same cable produced the same green tint
- same console with composite had perfect whites and colours
- component cables in the same physical input produced perfect whites and colours
- the menu screens have perfect whites in comparison to the green tinted white.

I ended up figuring it MUST be the SCART to BNC adaptor that was faulty and bought a new one, tested it today and the colour is still off. Is it possibly something internal in the monitor? Like I said, the physical inputs aren't the culprit since I can use the component cables on them and they come up fine.
I'm at my wit's end here trying to solve it, hope someone can help me out.

>>5576802
Here's a good illustration of the problem. White menu text next to the green tinted 'white' Everdrive text from the console.

>>5575017
Buy one that is shielded. Use it as part of your search term.

>>5576873
That only comes up with ones that are "dual shielded". Are most cables single-shielded or do they usually have no shielding at all?

>>5576802
Do things that should be red/blue still show up?

>>5576976
They do, but the colours are still off. I tried comparing a screen that had brown and green for example, and the colours weren't accurate. The browns were too light and still had a greenish tinge in places.

I forgot to mention I tried plugging each cable into each input and each colour individually seems fine, which made me even more confused.

>>5576984
Sounds like it could be a termination issue. Try plugging RGB into the output jacks instead of input, see if you get sensible colours but all too bright.

>>5576987
Holy shit, that worked! What's the solution for this?
Thank you so much.

>>5576994
>>5576987
I had some BNC to RCA converters and plugged them into the output sockets, seems to have fixed the problem! Thank you very much for the help. Is there any benefit to buying actual terminator plugs as well?

>>5576961
Most have none. Dual means each wire is shielded separately then all together. Double is better.

>>5577007
Some monitors require them.

>>5572570
>>5572581
>>5572604
>>5572646
>>5572678
Many thanks, I ended up just playing around with retroarch settings until I could get it looking right -without- using CRT switchres (I'm using CRT emudriver). It sits at the center, there's these thick horizontal and vertical borders, but still looks ok and not distorted.

For games that don't often require to look at both screens at once, the DS looks even better doing similar adjustments.

>>5577076
Make sure you turn off bilinear filtering in retroarch
>there's these thick horizontal and vertical borders
Did you try turning up the resolution?

>>5577113
Yeah, I can't really use a resolution where it will scale proper without being distorted. I can only use super resolutions due to my setup and I can't use a resolution that's high enough that it won't look like ass (only can do that horizontally).

>>5577007
With just BNC to RCAs you'll be getting too much brightness and some signal reflection, 75 ohm terminator will bring it back to where it's supposed to be.

>>5574640
Alternatively degauss it with strong magnets. I've used guitar pickups to degauss with success.

>>5575071
>>5575076
>>5575082
>>5575214
>>5575232
>>5575238
Not a joke, called dibs on it cause the stand looks awesome. Just need to carry it down 5 flight of stairs now.

>inquire about a PVM on craigslist that doesn't have its model stated on shown
>seller acts like a ginormous fucking douchbag

I fucking hate this fucking island. I fucking hate the fat Italian boomer slimeball fucks that live here. I fucking hate people who arent mature enough to handle simple fucking questions without having a borderline meltdown.

>>5577336
Looks like you're the cunt with the anger problem.

>>5577336
I don't even know the full story but you acted way more like a dick than that guy ever did.

>>5577336
Anon, it sure looks like you're in the wrong here.

Some guy on my local craigslist just posted a listing for a bunch of PVMs and BVMs.

I already have a PVM-2530. How much better is a BVM-20G1U compared to it?

Personally, I think the screen size on mine is perfect, but I might go down in size if the picture is way better.

>>5577430
It'll have a higher TVL count and be able to do component. I don't have experience with either, but I'd assume anything 480i would probably look worse due to more scanlines making the interlacing a lot more obvious.

>>5577421
>>5577401
>>5577395

I hope the guy actually shows up. Doubt he will.
Will post video if he does.

>>5577465
Holy shit anon, check your autism. He's right, you spend too much time on the internet.

>>5577478

This is depression, not Autism, anon.

I'm so unbearably bored, it hurts. I work over 50 hours a week, and I'm so unhappy during my days off. If I'm not working, I'm miserable.

I need excitement in my life. I really hope this guy shows up. Or he SWATS me or something. Fucking anything. Give me a reason to have woken up today.

>>5577486
Don't alleviate your own pain by hurting others. Seek out friends, not enemies.

I wish I had a crt

So are these good or bad thread vibes?

>>5577465
Get help

>>5577579
200% neutral

>>5577645
This is only a couple steps above pic related.

>>5577723
>You found the secret rape dungeon

:|

>>5577723

Rare second picture

Heres is my portable TV and Atari 2600 setup under my desk.

>>5577128
>>5577071
Thanks for tip. Will buy some today. Does quality matter for the terminator plug, or can I just buy some cheapos from Hong Kong on eBay?

When I flip this mitsubishi over the colors come out weird. Does this happen to anyone else?

>>5578285
That's normal behavior with many CRTs.

>>5578298
Whatever that is I'm jealous

What would you do with the $250,000 crt projector?

>>5578221
Cheapos are fine

>>5578680
I would be >projecting so hard.
That's kind of an LCD projector too, pretty neat tech, a CRT excites the back of a reflective LCD without any pixels on it, then giant lamp illuminates it.

>>5578715

Is it necessary to get a WiiDual in order to output RGsB from an NTSC Wii?

>>5578879
well if you're going to be doing internal modification it is possible to make it do RGBHV then add some simple circuitry or use an extron box to convert to RGBS

>>5578929
https://bitbuilt.net/forums/index.php?threads/wii-native-vga-version-1-4.2176/

>>5578929
*RGsB.

>>5578953
>>5578930
Thankfully, the CRT that made me want to use RGsB in the first place already supports RGBHV. I was asking about the former because I was wondering if I could get RGB by just using component cables. Although I have piss-poor soldering skills, so I probably won't be attempting this mod anytime soon.

>>5579013
may be possible to get RGsB in software but don't think anyone's figured it out. You can also get direct Wii to RGBHV cables with transcoder built in although quality is a bit meh, or use a separate transcoder.

>>5577336
This Trump supporter would kick your zoomer ass!!!!

>>5579036
Interesting. I was asking earlier about this:
>>5573280

Although now that I think about it, I'm unsure if my monitor actually supports RGsB natively. I do have an Extron switch, but I don't think it does any conversion.

>>5573280
which monitor?

>>5573280
Yes you can but sometimes you'd need to fiddle around with loaders to get games to behave right and not switch the console mode back to NTSC

>>5579059
A Mitsubishi MegaView 29 (AM-2752A), I've made some posts about it earlier in the thread. It handles 480p from consoles in a weird way, but everything else (including VGA from a PC) works perfectly.

What’s a good price for a Dell 17" CRT Monitor?
Is that even a good option for retro games?

>>5579051

You're cool

>>5578670
It's a Toshiba TIMM, a 20" monitron they made for the Amiga. it can handle 15kHz and 31kHz inputs, all I could ever want in a screen

>>5577827
wowee

>>5577430
>I already have a PVM-2530. How much better is a BVM-20G1U compared to it?
Depends on how fond you are of the high TVL look, though if you're going to chase that end with how pricey 20" BVMs get, you might as well go whole hog and get a multiformat.

I will say that you'll have a lot easier time maintaining the BVM than the PVM if something went wrong, but that shouldn't be your primary deciding factor for picking a tube.

Anyone know the MSRPs of the Mitsubishi Megaview monitors? Specifically looking for xc-2930/2935. I found this Amiga FAQ that has some of them, but missing the ones I own.

>>5579842
This might be useful:
>>5568594

>>5579219
I guess the liberal snowflake trannyjanny doesn’t wants to censor free speech...guess what retard, fuck you faggot!

>>5580104

If you cant speak the language, get out of the country.

>>5580068
Now I want one of those cabinents

>>5579842
$4999 for the XC2935C. Also they reviewed the NEC XP37 ($9999) and the Princeton AF3.0HD
https://books.google.com/books?id=TWYEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=xc+2935c&source=bl&ots=De12X73VSP&sig=ACfU3U0aSRC391KBy4GaaCklBd14pqpR0w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXp9r2sqDiAhVJTd8KHZJMADcQ6AEwB3oECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=xc%202935c&f=false

>>5577336
You look like the one with a mental breakdown anon

I don't know what's causing all these bad thread vibes. I think we need to call a thread vibe expert.

>>5579204
It's good for emulation, Dreamcast and with an OSSC.

So I need to get rid of one of these from a relatives house. I have the option to keep it. Should I?

It would replace my gym TV in the basement if anything and I know they are good with retro consoles. I am undecided cause I know they have a novelty to it but not sure if blown out of proportion unless you are a hardcore retro gamer. I have a ps1 and Sega genesis but haven't played them in a long time or opt to emulate If I can (jailbroke ps3 and ps2 phat with fhdb).

>Sony trinitron 34" wega 1080i w/HDMI port.
>kv34hs420 more specifically.
>barely used at all, comes with OEM stand

>>5580551
It's an HDCRT. Older stuff won't look great, but it'd pair rather nicely with that PS2 and PS3(the latter over HDMI even).

>>5580551
HD CRTs are useless for retro gaming. All the drawbacks of both CRTs and HDTVs with few of the benefits of either.

>>5580563
>>5580567
I see thanks for the input I thought it would be better than a crt since it has HD capability. The one pro it has over my 32" POS lcd in the basement is the speakers. Would it have a built in sub? The weight and size of the hdcrt is always considerable factor. The TV would likely always be playing movies or shows, I doubt I would play my ps2 or ps3 on it versus my upstairs TV.

>>5580584
>Would it have a built in sub?
Nope. 10w stereo speakers, no sub.

Also weights 194lb.