/vr/ - Retro Games

>how nice of community to rewrite our own game for us we will license their code and sell it to people now

same thing happened to Diablo

>>5560530
It'll be as bad and closed off as the Duke World Tour

>>5560564
Night Dive's previous releases say otherwise, but I wouldn't rule out that possibility

>>5560530
It's not even on the Build engine.
It's on a variation of KEX, meaning most prior mods that aren't just maps are unlikely to work on it.
Also they didn't have a source so enemy behaviour is going to be an approximation at best.

>>5560530
>Can't wait
No software renderer no buy

>be Atari
>can't get an agreement with the other parties involved for Blood
>"fuck it", let's extrapolate on our rights by making a remake and playing on words by not calling it a remake


>be Nightdive
>likes to "hoard" IPs, pretend they own games they don't, and get mad like a baby when they don't get the game they want
>doesn't wanna pay royalties to Ken Silverman or some of the other fags involved into the original making of Blood
>therefore rewrite an entire engine but also all gameplay mechanics
>call it "preservation"

They really both think they're gonna get away with it don't they.

>>5560619
Haven't they already explicitly said that mods will work for it?

>>5560530
Does Blood really need a remaster? I thought it was alright on other source ports. I'd almost say that Shadow Warrior could use it more but then I remembered they already made an enhanced port of that years ago on Steam. Would've been nice if that was playable outside of open GL rendering though.

>>5560530
IT'S GONNA SUCK!
(SUCK!)
(dum dede dum dum dum de de dum dum dum)
IT'S
GON
NA
SUCK!
(SUCK!)

>You're finishing up your shift at Monolith when this guy appears

"PUT THE SOURCE CODE IN THE BAG"

>What do?

>>5560530
Cool, at least I got one old school shooter to play this summer. Who knows when the fuck Sigil will release now.

>>5560874
>Monolith
>still no NOLF remaster

>>5560530
>Can't wait to drop BloodGDX and NBlood and play the REAL thing.
It's not even running on Build. Also it better have more functions and features that both GDX and NBlood to be worth that price.

>>5560530
This port will be a crude approximation because Kaizer is a fuckhead who doesn't give a shit about accuracy.

Uhhh.... guys? Are you talking about Blood: Fresh Supply? Because that's out right now, you don't have to wait until July...

https://www.gog.com/game/blood_fresh_supply

>>5560530
I'll stick to GDX, thank you.

>>5560530
Not picking this up until I learn how accurate it is when compared to GDX.

>>5561204
yeah July 15 was the original release, the remaster came out today

>>5560530

>Blood: Fresh Supply Enhancements:

>Updated using Nightdive Studio’s KEX Engine
>Vulkan, DirectX 11 and OpenGL 3.2 support, play with unlocked framerates!
>Antialiasing, Ambient Occlusion, V-sync and Interpolation support
>Support for high resolutions including 4K monitors
>Fully customizable keyboard and controller pad support
>Extended modding support, including support for already existing mods
>Completely rewritten netcode supports up to 8 players:
>Play online in co-operative mode, kill each other in “Bloodbath” or split the difference in classic 4v4 team-based “Capture The Flag” mayhem
>Battle it out in local split-screen action
>Roll your own soundtrack with full CD and MIDI music support
>Look fully up and down with a new 3D view, or stick with the classic BUILD-engine style!

Ok I bought it, appearantly there's a custom difficulty option which is neat, you can configure a lot of stuff

>4 reviews
>already 50% of them say the game does not work

Good show

>>5560619
>enemy behaviour is going to be an approximation at best.
and that's a good thing. Hopefully they make the enemies less bullshit

>>5561383
yeah enemies are a bit dumber now, at least those that aren't programmed to directly chase you. cultists seemingly try to surprise you from sides or behind but they just end up wandering away

also fucking crouch, in this game it actually works

Link.
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q!RSRynCTS
Spoiler: It kind of sucks.

>>5561392
8 player splitscreen makes up for it

>>5561394

>>5561319
It's a good port you just need to change some things.
It comes with crouch only on "C" so if you want on "Ctrl" go to keybinds, it's also come with crouch toggle ON so turn that OFF unless you want it.
This one is probably because of my setup, i have a ultrawide freesync monitor, when i first boot it up it keep flashing the screen, i change the renderer from Direct11 to Vulkan to make it stop, i turn off vsync choose my native resolution with my max Hz but still had tearing so turn the fps cap off and the freesync works.

Go with this or stick with nBlood?

>>5561465
Get all four why not?

I dunno if MP is LAN only or what, I can't figure it out.

>Music randomly stops
AAAAHH

Ok so here's my first discoveries/impressions:
Lighting is more acurate than nBlood/GDX.

Sound is botched by interpolation, and is muffled. Not to the same degree as Duke World Tour did it, but noticable, especially if you compare it side by side.

Radius of actors is reduced for some reason - you can get into zombie/cultists face much closer than the original (at the same FOV setting). As a side effect - jumping on things like Tombstone is a bit harder since it's radius is narrrower, and at some point I fell "into" the voxel model which didn't happen in the original/fan ports since the edge of the tombstone was rigid as well (it is immaterial in KEXBlood)
IDK how it affects hitboxes.

AI is altered significantly. Cultists try to surround you, but end up running away from you some times, overall move more and shoot less even on highest difficulty.
Zombies a bit smarter about their pathfinding.

>>5561475
Fair enough.
>>5561490
That's weird, the sound problem is minor enough to fix though, right?

>>5561482
It probably requires GoG galaxy.
Though in either case, if it's LAN only we can use whatever the latest iteration of Hamachi is.

How do I refund games on GOG?

>>5561506
Nope. Need to fix the engine to NOT interpolate the samples. The option isn't there now.
Wait for patch, if zoomers care enough to notice this.
Meanwhile compare the sounding of Dosbox to BloodEX to see for yourself

>>5561392
Are you sure it's there?
I only see the original DOSBox version

>>5561392
yeah that's the DosBox port now the new one

>>5561535
>>5561538
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q!EWARCCZR is the correct folder

>>5561490
Reminder to actually post your bugs in this thread and on gog too https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1649918058725626285/

>>5561538
>dosbox port

https://mega.nz/#!3IMQmSAY!DvkTSs5gEQJdaX77nMPLSBeLX8KGMjOZ-QUy5H44T0I

Here's an alternate download if the original gets deleted.

>>5561546
Ah, thank you

>>5561509
There's no way to set up the pirated copy into Galaxy is there?

I'm not gonna pay 10 euros just to find out if it works or not.

>>5561204
Tried it out with an open mind. It's honestly really shitty. I'm not just saying that as a typical 4chan retard that hates shit for the sake of hating shit (I hate that faggot).

Game feel is different, no doubt about it, it doesn't have anywhere near the accuracy of GDX/NBlood and to any real fan it will be immediately apparent. Played on Well Done, the guns don't feel the same, they're less impactful and the kill physics have been toned down a lot. Enemy HP values are different, cultists for example die with fewer shots. Caleb's movement doesn't feel quite as nice, either. There is one place this port is better than the original game though, and that's in the use of explosives and area of effect weapons. BUILD engine had that sector problem that could make explosives not register how they should. That's gone in this version.

I was hoping that the crouch exploits would be fixed but they aren't, it's exactly the same which is unfortunate (although that's not a negative compared to the other versions because naturally they're all fucked, too). The sound is really muffled (tommy gun sounds so bad) and the music sometimes randomly doesn't work. Also the midi soundtrack is not using the best midi version; it's using one of the shittier ones which sucks. Overall the port feels very buggy, too, and I encountered a few visual glitches as well as other little hiccups that need to be fixed. The presentation is an absolute joke for an official "remaster", not like what happened with the Turok re-releases. It makes me laugh thinking that kids here claimed this would automatically be better than GDX/NBlood just because it's an officially released product. I wondered why Atari hadn't marketed this thing at all (first I heard that it released today was that post itt) and now I know... it's a really half-assed offering and they clearly don't give a fuck.

Stick with GDX/NBlood/DOSBox, there's no reason whatsoever to use this.

>>5561597
How's the multiplayer? Cus the other versions multiplayer is FUCKING TRASH. If this one's multiplayer is actually playable then this version has its niche purpose over the others

>>5561597
No offense but your feelings are not facts.

>>5561623
I couldn't access it, I just got "failed to retrieve results" when I clicked on Join Game. 'Host game' nothing happens.

>>5561630
When you click host game, go to new game.

That much I figured out...now how the fuck does one join?

>>5560541
Don't post about something when you know nothing about it. Blood EX does not use any code from the fan ports. The only community content it uses is some voxels.
>>5560619
if the original game's maps run on it, then logically user maps will run on it as well.

Also in case my post sounds overly positive/shilly, the sound is off and the OpenGL mode is absurdly slow (and I can run the GL mode in NBlood perfectly fine).

Will this work on a VERY low-powered PC?

What are the EXACT changes over the original?

>>5561706
No, it requires DX11 and/or OGL 3.2 compatible hardware.

>>5561628
Well let's see. Facts of that post:
>Game feel is different, no doubt about it, it doesn't have anywhere near the accuracy of GDX/NBlood and to any real fan it will be immediately apparent.
>Played on Well Done, the guns don't feel the same, they're less impactful and the kill physics have been toned down a lot. [To elaborate on this, for example I was point-blank alt-shotgunning zombies while moving forwards and they barely went any distance. If it was the original game, they would have been blown across the map]
>Enemy HP values are different, cultists for example die with fewer shots.
>I was hoping that the crouch exploits would be fixed but they aren't, it's exactly the same which is unfortunate
>The sound is really muffled (tommy gun sounds so bad) and the music sometimes randomly doesn't work.
>Also the midi soundtrack is not using the best midi version; it's using one of the shittier ones which sucks.
>Overall the port feels very buggy, too, and I encountered a few visual glitches as well as other little hiccups that need to be fixed.

Not only is the gameplay different, it feels like a straight downgrade. You know how BloodCM felt like a pile of shit? This kind of feels like that, just not as bad. I'm glad gog has a fair refund policy.

I figured it out!

The host Needs to Press ~ to open the command line then
Type in
spawnipserver

The clients then press ~ and type in
connectip (Host IP):5029

>>5561553

Man I was waiting ages for this
This feels and seems like a total letdown
Hopefully the updates do some fixing but I don't know, the system shock beta was more accurate than this.
And I'm not even one of those DOSBox purists

>>5561721
Anyone want to try this together?

why are people so obsessed with a port of this game? I always played it in dosbox without any issues, and now that freesync monitors are a thing there's not even that to complain about

>>5561449
> 9p local multiplayer player turok rage wars with uncapped framerate
Can't wait until that happens

>>5561764
because Blood is the last of the big classic FPS games that didn't have proper modern system support

now that there are 3 different ports to choose from it's not a problem anymore, just Blood fans don't want to deal anymore with bandages applied to decaying DOS game or playing DN3D/Doom TCs that wear Blood skin

>>5561786
what bandages?

>>5561789
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=286998267
This bullshit. Unless you wanna play with fucked up mouse aiming or fuckin keyboard controls.

>>5561764
Because the ports have better framerate, FOV options, widescreen support, better multiplayer, etc.? Seems pretty fucking obvious why people would prefer that to the ancient exe made for DOS.

>>5561796
all of that stuff is just normal dosbox configuration outside of mouse aiming, but isn't blood a 2d fps? Why do you need precise mouse controls? I'm sure a lot people played it with the keyboard when it came out just fine.

>>5561802
>2d

>>5561802
Not exactly. The way the world data is constructed and stored is 2D, but the projection of said data is 3D.

Apparently you can't play multiplayer with people who have it on Steam if you have it on GOG (and vice versa). How fucking shameful. It's a 20 year-old game, you shouldn't need to use their proprietary bullshit to play with a friend.

Why does it say july 15 on the op when it came ou today?

>>5561867
Also it doesn't come with mapedit (the map editor included with the original Blood). Of course, due to its archaic UI, that would be a niche feature. But to not include it at all is just bizarre. Like literally why not include it so people can at least check it out, and possibly create their own maps?

>>5561867
Buy them both

t. Kaiser

It's better than I was expecting. Surprisingly customisable. Has a slightly different feel though.
Half price on GOG if you already owned the DOSbox version, so happy for what I paid.

>>5561759
Still looking for people to try this out with.

It's only your public IP and only the host has to post it, it's not even hard.

>>5561940
I'll try it out

july? it was supposed to be last month lol

>>5561802
>he still believes that bullshit "doom and douk are basically 2D" video some retard ecelebs put up

>>5561978
They are internally. At least map data wise. It's all about how you project this data.

>>5560530
Here's the real question: HOW DO YOU GET DEATH WISH RUNNING IN THE REMASTER?

>>5562009
Doom is 2d. Build engine games are 3D.

>>5561954
Did it work for you?

>>5562009
>>5562019
So the real world is also essentially 2D because maps exist.

Except it's not.

It does not matter how data is stored, only how it is interpreted, so both Doom and Douk (as well as any other such game) are 3D.
Because 3D means 3 dimensions. In those games all environments have 3 dimensions, and all characters navigate within 3 axis of movement. Nothing else is relevant to whether the game is 2D or 3D.
Stop inventing your own definitions.

2.5D is not really a thing (no such thing as half of a dimension), but it is widely used as simplification term when either gameplay or graphics do not present a third dimension. Like some fighting games or platformers where player's movement is limited to a single plane.

>>5562016
The journo for Rock Paper Shotgun said it worked until the second episode

>>5562019
Carmack and Romero themselves said that "it's 3D, but intentionally limited to omit most unnecessary calculations to make it run on hardware of the time"

>>5562028
>all characters navigate within 3 axis of movement
I thought that wasn't the case in doom, and that's why you can't have rooms above/under other rooms and why elevators are just blocks rising from the ground.

>>5562029
Someone needs to test this shit out.

>>5562028
Yeah but not in Doom. In the real world things can be on topic each other, and you can move up and down.

In doom nothing can be on top of something else. You can't jump, you can't crouch. Shooting hit checks are done only horizontally, your vertical aim doesn't matter. The z axis literally plays no role in the game at all, only x and y. This is the definition of 2d!

And no, stairs don't count, they are only a graphical hack. You can't walk underneath stairs, so basically they are the same as a flat surface.

>>5562019
No.

I like it guys. It's not 1:1 but I knew going into it that it wouldn't be cause Atari are a bunch of faggots.

I'm just happy blood is getting some attention in fucking 2019

>inb4 shill/retard/cope

fuck off autist

>>5562068
>The z axis literally plays no role in the game at all, only x and y.
Then how can cacodemons fly? As another anon said, it's a 3D engine with various things limited to improve performance. Heretic was based on the Doom engine and let things pass under / over eachother.

>>5562028
No >>5561829

>>5562068
You can fall off surfaces onto lower surfaces. It's effectively "3D, but with limited movement options".

>>5562028
>>5562037
Doom uses BSP, DN3D portals

>>5562041
>>5562068
That's a limitation of the way map data is stored.

Cacodemons for example can rise up and down (as well as shoot fireballs upwards and downwards). Player can ride up and down an elevator or drop down - that changes their positions along Z axis, while lateral movement is X and Y axis.
If the game was "ackchually 2D) you would not be able to do that - like you can't in Wolfenstein.

In Wolf, Z axis only used for rendering, and does not exist for player, enemies or anything else. For some reason people that heard about "wolf being pretty much 2D" (it is 2.5 d in fact) extrapolate it onto Doom as well. The infamous video talks on length about how Doom acts same as Wolfenstein, while spoiting verifiable bullshit.

>>5562068
>Shooting hit checks are done only horizontally
Wrong. In source you can clearly see how Z axis is used in shooting checks.
Supershotgun for example has vertical spread. If Z axis was not used, it would've shot in a stretched line.
Also this is how cacodemon (or imps standing on platform) fireball goes from the sky onto you, and if you dodge it hits the ground. If there was no Z axis check, that could not have happened.


>>5562076
Both use BSP. Duke basically uses gross hacks to create portals by manipulating BSP trees. Editor just makes it easier to use, and there are some special accomodations for the fact. You can use same gross hacks to do portals in vanilla Doom, as Linguica discovered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GLB-rhttk
/vr/ is wrong (once again).

>>5562097
what does lgr say?

>>5562097
ggman is a faggot who will suck the cock of anyone that gives him an early release copy

I say this agreeing with him, btw. I like the new version, it's fine. But don't link him as proof of it not sucking

>>5562097
>ecelebrity pleb spouting uninformed bullshit
Breaking news!

>>5562097
geegeegeeman some times correct (but so is broken clock twice a day)[shwacked!], however he was seen spouting bullshit way too many times to take any of his opinions at face value

>>5562097
>gggmanlives
i don't even think this remaster is going to be bad, but i'm not trusting this faggot
he was literally a paid shill for fallout 76 who didn't make it public until after his review came out that he was provided with a free copy

>>5562019
no theyre both 3d that uses 2d rendering tricks, the gameplay itself is still 3 dimensional because it has an x y z axis, it may not be a true z axis because its merely a height map but to the player you still need to be at the correct height to interact with a button or go through a passage, you cant fall in a chasm and walk straight up the cliff on the otherside because there are 3 dimensions. Build is the same thing they just added a lot more fancy tricks so you could stack sectors and such

Build removed BSP limitation by not preprocessing its maps and relying on a Portal system

Another misconception about Build is that it is not a raycaster: The vertices are projected first in screen space and then a column/distance from POV are generated

This results in
1. head out from player sector
2. navigate portals connected to player sector
3. group walls in bunches and store in stack
4. evaluate sprite visibility and store in stack
5. process bunches in near to far order
6. render solid walls and portals
7. stop wall drawing
8. draw visible sprites in far to near order
9. swap buffers, restart procedure with second buffer

Each wall in the bunch is projected in screenspace and then

If it is a solid wall
Render ceiling if visible
Render floor if visible.
Render wall if visible
Mark the entire column as occluded in the occlusion array.
If it is a portal:
Render ceiling if visible.
Render floor if visible.
Peek into the next sector
If the next sector ceiling is lower than current sector ceiling: Draw a "DOWN" step partial wall.
If the next sector floor is higher than current sector floor: Draw an "UP" step partial wall.
Update the occlusion array according to what has been drawn

>>5562097
GmanLives is a known cunt and a scrub

>>5562095
Technically correct but misleading. These are not true 3D movements, and in fact are very easily mapped onto 2d concepts.

>player can fall off a raised platform and not be able to get back up.
This is no different than having a 1 way door, player can pass through one way and then can't go back. Nothing 3D exclusive.

>elevators
Again, doom elevators are just doors. They take you from 1 area to another, and just because they display a 3D animation while they do that, that doesn't make them truly 3D.

>cacodemon projectiles and flying
Again, not true 3D movement. As I have proven earlier, doom's elevators and dropping from heights are equivalent to doors, so a cacodemon "flying" is just an enemy being able to go through doors the player cannot. This is 2d stuff! Same thing with the projectiles. They animate the projectiles z movement in 3D, but it doesn't matter. If you are "too high" to hit then it's just as if you were behind a closed door that blocks the blast. The z axis doesn't matter.

>shotgun spread
I haven't noticed that in the original dos version. I am not talking about source ports here, those are full 3D. But again since doom's heights are no different than doors, that range check is no different than in the case of the cacodemon projectiles, so still not 3D.

>>5562142
Stop inventing definitions of 3D
Either it has Z dimension (fireball flying downward) or it does not. It is irrelevant whether tricks or not were used.

>>5562027
no, sadly

So I guess no one tried the MP yet.

I'm gonna go to the hospital tomorrow, after I go and come back I plan to buy the Steam version and see if it works there.

>>5562160
Look, I totally agree that the graphics are 3D. I'm talking about the gameplay here. And if the gameplay interacts with the z axis so little that you could create a mechanically identical game in 2d, then I he game is not a true 3D game from a gameplay perspective.

>>5562172
Sorry, I didn't read your message.

It was the GoG version right? I'll try the Steam one if no one does.

>if I can't shoot straight downwards at my non-existent feet then it's not real 3D!! >:(

>>5562137
>>5562131
>>5562095
>>5562068
>>5562028
>>5562019
>>5562009

My god who the hell CARES? What exactly does this have to do with whether or not you'd want proper mouse aiming in these games? They're FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS. Whether or not they're technically 2D in implementation has no bearing on the basic gameplay and the reason you'd want a proper modern control scheme to look around, the most fundamental action of the genre.
Does anybody really want to play Doom OR any of the builld engine games with a keyboard? Why the fuck would you ever?

>>5562182
no it was the steam, trying GOG now

>>5562192
And furthermore, even vanilla doom supported mouse turning, you just couldn't look up and down because it wouldn't be meaningful for the way aiming is set up, and it wouldn't look right since the scene isn't being rendered in a perspective-correct way.

If we CAN render the world with proper perspective, looking up and down is convenient, as well. That's the advantage of a source port with a hardware renderer.

>>5562192
doom plays fine on a keyboard

>>5562196
No it doesn't and you know it. That's the reason the game featured mouse turning.

>>5562197
Doom also played fine on a controller.

>>5562197
all these games have shitloads of builtin auto aim, you don't need a mouse for any of them but at least in build shit you can actually look at what you're shooting at so that's nice I guess.

>>5561870
Because OP was too excited and looked at the original Blood release date which was indeed July 15... 1998.

>>5562204
Yeah, they featured the heavy auto-aim to accommodate the players who didn't own a mouse, and as such, couldn't aim precisely. That doesn't mean it's the best way, or even the intended way to play the game.

Fucking hell dos box blood is horrible
Got fresh supply and its better but I don't know the ins and outs of the best blood versions

>>5562210
ok? well they still play fine on keyboard.

>>5562197
my god you are a zoomer

>>5562212
Download NBlood or BloodGDX. They're fan ports that run 99% the same as the original, except with features expected of modern games like widescreen, FOV options, etc. This remaster is really not very accurate, and doesn't add many improvements.

>>5562192
People started to call you out on your BS and somehow you get defensive and buttmad

>>5562197
To be fair, players using mouse control in doom didn't really take off until the Doom II era. Players using the mouse was a lot rarer at the time of release of the original doom (not ultimate doom or any of the rereleases).

>>5562215
Maybe I am, or maybe I just owned a mouse when Doom was released. The argument applies exactly the same either way.

>>5562214
Maybe it's "fine", but it's certainly not optimal in any way. That's my personal standard of "fine", but it's still subjective.

do I really have to install GOG's client just to play online? I recall GDX being able to do P2P

>>5562225
or maybe you should play it on a nice model m keyboard and not some shit macbook butterfly piece of shit

>>5562224
Sure, maybe it was less popular but it was still present in the game and it's the way Romero himself played. I consider that to be the gold standard.

>>5562220
I'll check those out thanks man

>>5562234
Yeah but they also had ton of the line SGI workstations they used to develop the game, and those were way out of reach of the average consumer.

>>5562243
Yeah for movement obviously. Still far inferior to a pointing device for aiming, though.

>>5562231
Sure, but mice weren't. They just hadn't seen mass adoption yet.

>>5562230
That photo is steam version or GoG?

DID THESE MOTHERFUCKER SERIOUSLY REMOVE "ONE WHOLE UNIT BLOOD" OFF GOG??? IM FUCKING MAD NOW

>>5562258
Just pirate the game and use BloodGDX or something.
I'm honestly amazed that these atari jews are allowed to push out a lazy remake and make a shitload of cash while the original devs of the game won't see a single penny from this new release.

>>5562258
At least it is still in my library, thanks Jeezus and fuck these greedy Atari kikes.

>>5562260
>>5562267
I think if you buy Fresh Supply OWUB comes as an extra to download I THINK. I don't know

>>5562260
The original devs already got their money, they got paid a salary when making the game. If they wanted more of a cut, they should have negotiated that in their contract.

>>5562256
GOG

>>5560859
i assume this is to the tune of quiet riot I wanna rock

The only issue I have with GDX really is that the color palette is quite off compared to the original, but it's the best of all the ports desu.

>>5562285
holy fuck I mean twisted sister lmao what a fuckup all that shit sounds the same anyway

>>5562276
So as long as no one learns a way to put the pirated copy into Galaxy we're forced to buy it.

It's ok, I was planning on buying the game anyway.

>>5562270
Being one of the slaving peasants in game development really must suck

>>5562194
does it work ?

I'll just wait for Fresh Supply to get fixed with fanpatches or something. I'm in no rush.

>>5562323
nope, shit's fucked

>>5560859
You guessed wrong

>>5562269
it does.

>>5562402
It's a very good release then.

Definitely gonna buy the GoG version later on and test it online.

>>5562384
>some Aussie cunt on youtube said so

>>5562402
>they still haven't fixed the missing icons

Eradicator EX when?

>>5562416
Catacomb Armageddon EX when?

>>5560530
Why do we lose all our weapons when respawning in singleplayer?

I mean, come on...

I noticed this port uses openal-soft. If you have an x-fi card, you can remove openal32.dll to get hardware hrtf audio. Pretty neat.

>>5562414
if I click on em they show up and stay till I close galaxy, i just updated galaxy and I couldn't actually be bothered before, but see I fixed it just to show you :)

>>5562453
Yeah I know, I do it too.

>GoG removed the One Unit Whole Blood page from their website

It's the end of an era.

>>5562453
>Delta Force 2 and Disciples
nice

>>5562462
I also got land warrior just dont got that one installed right now highly recommend if you have only played the first 2, I actually have 333 games in my gog library after purchasing fresh supply though :D

MARINATE
PHALLUS!

I bought it for five bucks. I probably wouldn't pay more than that but it seems mostly good enough.

>>5560530
I bought it but it keeps saying I don't have the license for it?

>>5562192
>you'd want proper mouse aiming in these games? They're FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS
I'm comfortable enough playing with the keyboard. It's a special sort of boomer hyper autism, but you don't constantly need to move the mouse on both axis anyway.
You don't NEED a mouse to play. You didn't back then you don't know. Other than landing grenades on switched in Marathon, accuracy isn't all that necessary.

>>5561728
Pretty sure I've seen that .dll on dgVoodoo 2's webpage. Drag and drop it into the folder.

>>5562192
hey don't take it from me

>>5562461
>>5562572
Why the fuck you retards are still paying money for single player games that are available on like 200 different websites including the one you're fucking posting on right now to download for free is beyond me.

>>5562197
I played Doom on only a keyboard just 3 months ago, the 3 episode original only, and it was my first time playing it. Played fine.

what's the deal with blood elitists? it's a good more or less accurate version with lots of improvements
nigga if you want to play something authentic use DOSbox instead of whinging about everything

>>5560530
This game's game feel and gun play suck balls from what I've played. First time trying the game out seriously and I'm playing on Well Done.

>>5562647
I blame the /v/ invasion. Its turning more people into bitter contrarians.

>>5562647
Because 'good enough' and 'accurate' is the difference between a mod or a replay working and one not working because the behavior is radically different.
I'm not a purist and in fact have little experience with blood, but I do understand where they are coming from on this front.

>>5562654
did some e-celeb youtuber make a "video essay" trying to nitpick everything about the game or something?

>>5562658
>mod or a replay
according to the store page it's full compatible with mods/maps

can anyone confirm if gog and steam multiplayer lobbies are separate or not?

>>5562109
what does Civvie say?

>>5562703
this but unironically

>>5562716
If anything id be interested to see him do CP with this, so he runs the gamut of GDX, Nblood, to Fresh Supply

Hey nightdive, make it happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I8pC_DOXC4

Alright, I caved in and bought the GOG version and downloaded their stupid launcher to see if multiplayer works. It does. If you downloaded the game from the doom general's MEGA link or any other, the game will check if you have Galaxy installed. If you don't, an error message pops up in the console and you won't be able to join or host over the internet.

>>5562792
they answered on the steam forums about connecting steam/gog, can only direct IP connect to play together

>>5562689
Where'd you hear that?

I've bought Blood two or three times and I just done bought it again. I have never seen Blood this smooth.

68.44.62.230
if anyone wants to join

>>5562601
Autoaim in Blood is/was ass. This is a game where proper mouse aim is absolutely a plus.

>>5562601
Wait, you're implying that Marathon had autoaim against enemies? You're clearly a zoomer that never played any shooters in the 90s.

>>5562689
>can anyone confirm if gog and steam multiplayer lobbies are separate or not?

Yes, they are.
I joined the Nightdive discord and asked them directly and was told that sadly they are.

>>5562827
what version of game do you have?

>>5562845
1.8.4 I think. Whatever the "final" version of fresh supply is.

>>5562849
Are you on GoG or steam? What's your name on there?

>>5562853
I'm using GOG, but I've been told that doing connectip <ip> in console lets you play with people regardless of GOG or Steam.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1010750/discussions/0/1649918058726550161/

>>5562287
nBlood is more accurate and doesn't run on java

>>5561319
>Keks engine

>>5562109
>>5562703
Have Sex

>>5561597
Thanks for this post

>>5562858
nope gog galaxy only

>>5562097
>gggman
top kek anon, but this is a low quality bait anyway

>>5562750
There's no need to ruin this too with a lazy "remaster", just use RedneckGDX or Rednukem

so gameplay wise what did they change?

also can I use bloodgdx or nblood with the new version?

Something about this remaster just feels gross, I can't put my finger on it
Hoping for a refund, I'm just going to go back to GDX

>>5563039
>so gameplay wise what did they change?
There's so many little differences that really add up. Caleb feels faster, jumping feels different, explosions are different (more consistent, this is actually not bad), the AI is different (sometimes cultists will just shoot at nothing), etc. Also random oddities which I'm guessing the devs thought would be an improvement but just seem odd to veteran players, like cultists having extra pain noises.

>>5563225
>>5563039
Forgot to finish my post. The worst difference is the voodoo doll, the whole point is that it hits enemies no matter where you aim, and in the remaster they have to be in your crosshair.
You could use NBlood or GDX, since the remaster includes all the original required game files unmodified.

pros
>it just works
>has splitscreen

cons
>music is bugged, won't play on loading save
>requires DX11 and Vulkan, for what purpose?
>doesn't play replays in menu, sale/load screens don't show screenshots
>crashed on me a few times

overall it's decent for people who just want to play Blood but find the dosbox experience hard to swallow and don't know how to setup other ports

>>5563241
>pros
>it just works

Tell that to the dozens and dozens of people who have already reported it either simply not launching at all, or crashing either in both SP and MP.

>>5563245
it works on my computer

>>5562624
You're the retard. It's not about not being able to pirate a 5 bucks game; or whether the original DOS game is hard to pirate, or even whether or not accurate sourceport exists.

It's about knowing that the only official version of the game is this highly innacurate, broken and glitchy mess.

And thus, for all the clueless people, Blood won't be Blood, but this POS will be Blood.

The only hope left is that Warner Bros and maybe others come bite this version in the ass.

>>5562173

I hope you're ok anon.

>>5563261
we get it hendricks, eduke is very good

>>5563261
and the official version of star wars are the blurays, tough shit boomer. Original blood was bullshit hitscan anyway so who cares.

>>5563241
>>requires DX11 and Vulkan, for what purpose?
Isn't it running on the Doom 64 EX engine?

>>5563294
>and the official version of star wars are the blurays, tough shit boomer.

That would be an accurate comparison if those blurays had changed the story or at least the way the movie is cut.
The changes here are far more than purely comsetic.

>>5563301
you do know that there are a bunch of added scenes that weren't there originally right?

Just bought it on Steam.

Damn dude, now we're cooking with gas. This is a LOT better than the Russian fan made shit. Just try it, night and day difference, no kidding bros.

Blood LIVES AGAIN.

So the consensus that I have gathered is that the Blood remaster is meh and that you are better off just sticking with BloodGDX or nBlood.

>>5563324
Yeah if you don't have like $5 to pay for the working multiplayer then keep sucking the Russian cock, fucking retard.

>>5563325
What are you trying to say, pal?

>>5560696
Shadow Warrior's port is kinda janky at places. For instance the landmines become invisible due to the real 3D rendering, the graphic slips underneath the floor.
This would likely be quite easy to fix, but the port hasn't been updated in years.

>>5562709
They hired fucking Ednerd? Does that mean this port's multiplayer operates on P2P?

>>5562097
>gggmanlives

>>5562068
There's absolutely a Z-Axis in Doom, the original .exe just deliberately skips calculating it in a number of instances to save CPU power for other things, and because they figured it wouldn't be important for the levels they were making.

>lifts and platforms can move up and down, the player and monsters can be raised or lowered on these
>doors move up and down, they are a real part of the map geometry and will impede movement and attacks until they're cleared
>the player can drop down from ledges and climb stairs, so can monsters, when killed a monster may also be thrown from a ledge
>flying monsters can rise and descend, they can't be snuck under because the engine is specifically told not to let you do this, but Heretic uses the same engine and lets you pass underneath flying enemies
>monsters may launch ranged attacks in upwards or downwards angles, the player's auto aim will try to adjust the angle of attacks for height
>the arch-vile's attack will launch the player upwards upon completion (this can be exploited as a jump to reach certain places you weren't yet supposed to, or at all)
>when the player dies, the height of his actor lowers (this is also something which can be exploited for speedrunning; if the player still has inertia when he dies, he will keep sliding, and can potentially slide underneath a barrier and over an exit linedef, beating the level at the expense of their inventory)
The engine can also technically look up or down, it just isn't a coded function in the original .exe (presumably because Carmack thought it looked too crude and distorted), Heretic, Hexen, and Strife, DO allow the player to look up and down, all using the same engine.

Oh yeah, and the Super Shotgun calculates spread horizontally and vertically.

>>5561325
GDX has custom difficulty options too.
Also where's that from

>>5561597
Pretty much.

>>5561764
Because Blood doesn't run 100% proper in DosBOX, and the ports allow you to fix some bugs like with the choking hands, or the damage scaling inverting when you load a save.

>>5561802
>I'm sure a lot people played it with the keyboard when it came out just fine.
I can promise you that extremely few people have beat Blood playing keyboard only.

It's way too fast for that, and this was well into the era of free mouselook, which Quake and even Duke Nukem 3D had.

>>5562068
>your vertical aim doesn't matter
Wrong, if the enemy stands on a pillar, and auto-aim isn't in effect, then when you shoot you will hit the pillar and not the enemy.

>>5562197
The base game is fairly easy and plays ok on keyboard only, better with a gamepad, with enough buttons and the right binds (the Classic Complete and BFG Edition ports have very good gamepad controls for instance). If you didn't have a compatible mouse back in the day, or your PC didn't have enough memory to run both Doom and its mousedrivers at the same time, then keyboard only was an option, and for the original 3 episodes, plausible.

However, if you look at Final Doom, then you get far more advanced and difficult levels, and most people would really need the advantage of mouseturning to play it.
Looking further at usermade maps, VERY little content is made under the expectation that someone will beat them (let alone play them at all), using keyboard only. Even hardcore purists will use mouseturning, because it's the optimal vanilla experience.

>>5562243
True, I think Carmack paid like $10000 (in early 90s dollars) for the NeXTSTEP machine the main development was done on.

However, you didn't need a prohibitively expensive top of the line professional work station to get full enjoyment out of Doom back at launch, a decent 486 would give you good and consistent framerate and have enough memory to run your mouse drivers with the game.
Granted this would cost more than a 386, but not so much that it would be way out of reach for the average consumer.

>>5563332
Nothing, he's sucking Kaiser's cock instead. Do yourself a favor and stick with BGDX, pal. Funny thing the latter isn't closed source anymore so you aren't "sucking" anyone's cock in particular.

So... this is finally an actual source port to end them all? Not some fan made bullshit reverse-engineered by a bunch of autistic Russians?

Buying it in a sec.

>>5563509
lol have fun with your bugged mess with 0 gameplay accuracy

>>5563513

>>5562097
He sucks at games, just like ICARUSLIV3S

Civvie 11 was the only one knowing what he was talking about when it comes to Blood

>>5563325
Hi Kaiser. Fix your shit you talent-less hack

>>5563528
>Civvie11 was the only one knowing what he was talking about when it comes to Blood
Top quality bait

>>5563285
I'm back.

I'm gonna buy the GoG version and look for people to host with within a few hours, first I have shit to do in Granblue.

>>5563538
Hi Gman

>>5563638
Hi Civvie

>>5563635
>buying it for the multiplayer
>on GOG
based retard

there's no crossplay between Steam and GOG versions, where do you think most people are going to be at

>>5563650
>there's no crossplay between Steam and GOG versions, where do you think most people are going to be at
What in the fuck are you even talking about? I don't plan to crossplay anything, I just want to play GoG with any people, and since the problem reports all come from the Steam version I'm staying the fuck away from it.

If anything I'd be playing with the superior chad people from GoG rather than the zoomer garbage that is Steam.

>>5563659
In the end you lose anyway just by buying that bugged and inaccurate shit show, lol.

>>5563659
lol dude it's literally the same game, both versions are DRM free even, you can play SP without Steam client if you so desire

the only difference is Steamworks multiplayer vs whatever Galaxy bullshit that only 3 autists are using

>>5563640
Hi Cancer Mouse

>new port of classic game gets released
>/vr/ is absolutely SEETHING
>Wahhh, wahhh, my obscure shit port of choice will become irrelevant!!!
>Normies will contaminate my precious game, wahhh wahhhhh!!!
Never change, /vr/. Stay mad.

Blood: Full Supply is different than the original, because it's better than the original.

>>5563686
Nice generalization you got there, smartass. Inform yourself about the issues at hand and only then feel free to post about the topic, you maggot devoid of destiny.

>>5563686
You can keep thinking that if it makes you feel better, Nightboy, but the truth is that we care about "normies" having the best experience of Blood and not some amateur approximative recreation.

When Duke Nukem 3D World Tour came out, there was a lot of hate, and a lot of it was unfounded and biased because Randy Pitchford.

In this case it's nothing like that, the facts speak for themselves. Fresh Supply is highly innacurate, glitchy, refuses to even run for a lot people, crashes for others, and I could go on.

If Nightdive had managed to do something of the quality of BloodGDX or nBlood I would be praising it everywhere.

>>5563717
>having a game full of bugs, fucked up movement, more stupid AI, less customization, easier difficulty, etc. is somewhat better than the original
lmaoing at your shit tastes

>>5563731
>>5563734
Go on, keep on being anal devastated about literally nothing. The new release will become the definitive way of playing Blood, GDX, NBlood and DOSbox will become mere historical curiosities, and there's absolutely NOTHING you can do about it.

>now everyone and their mother is playing Blood

>>5563741
lol keep dreaming

>>5563741
Shut up Kaiser. Your shit port doesn't even run on Build.

>>5563767
>Says the faggot that thinks the issues of the remaster won't be soon ironed out
Unlike these fan ports, which progress is completely at the mercy of their creators, the official release has real support.

Thanks guys, I was going to throw money at this since I wanted a good version of Blood. Now I know not to buy this hacked piece of shit.

>>5563509
It's not exactly the same and doesn't "use" the source code not that it matters at all I just hate these fucking e-celebs spouting nonsense and their fans regurgitating it everywhere like it's fact because they watched one of these videos.
of course the longer the video is the more correct it must be too

>>5563781
>What is open source?
Damn you really are stupid. Even BloodGDX now is customizable by anyone, not only that, you really think all those bugs will be fixed? You really don't know Kaiser do you? Touché if he fixes everything, but there's also some stuff on this port that isn't even a matter of bugs, but rather simple decisions made by the devs in order to reimagine the title in a very debatable way.

Anyone here tried direct connection through the console? I want to coop with my friends to show them the real boomer game, but they sure as hell wouldn't buy this "old crap". Do you need port forwarding or something?

>>5563840
not sure about port forwarding, but I think all you need to do as host is type spawnipserver in console, and then do connectip [ip] if you're joining someone
we could try it if you want

Why not, though I won't play it for long today. If you create the server, post the ip there and I'll try to join (with a bunch of other vr/tards porbably)

>>5563837
>this is you on denial
kek, you're a mental case. Yes, yes, keep seething, let the butthurt flow. Your impotence is hilarious

>>5563868
>>5563856

>Extended modding support, including support for already existing mods

bruh there's no map editor

>>5563868
68.44.62.230

>>5563869
You really don't know how to reply to that argument, do you?

>>5563889
Not working at all, I guess you need to port forward the 5029 port or something

(((gman))) was never good, people only hate him now because he was a shill. The reality is his videos were never good and people only pretended he was important because he reviewed retro games while spewing the latest /v/ forced memes. If you want a reviewer with personality and actual humor you can watch, I shit you not, literally anyone else, and you will end up with more information about the game and a better demonstration than anything that upside down cuck could ever muster. He's the Sgt Mark IV of game reviewers; overrated and egotistical.

>>>5562287
>nBlood is less accurate and runs on shitty engine

>>5562750
This anon fucks

>>5563736
Those bugs and glitches will get patched out by the devs. I'm talking about the changes in gunplay, movement, enemy behavior, and game mechanics. The remake changed all these things for the better.

>>5563432
well good thing you can use the mouse in dosbox just fine then.

>>5563915
Unironically this, the only jewtuber I watch is Ahoy so for me the likes of gman are small fries who entertains the likes of handicapped people or simple zoomers.
>>5563927
Of course a lot (maybe not everything) will be patched out, it's other things that bother me right now, stuff that is either intended as actual features or just debatable novelties, things that have already been mentioned ad nauseam.

>>5563889
Strangely enough, I can ping your server through the https://check-host.net/check-ping but cannot join in the game

>>5561713
>crouch exploit
zoomer here, mind explaining?

>>5563749
boomers on suicide watch. Blood was the last classic fps they had that wasn't infested by normies, now what will they flock to? Redneck Rampage?

>>5563941
Crouch makes you invincible to gargoyles

>>5562703
it's raw

>>5560530
>Physics allow you to jump to places you're not intended to in the original
>Multiplayer comes only with basic functionality, chat messages aren't logged
>Sounds don't play correctly in coop
>Frequent crashing in Bloodbath
>Lots of exploits like where jumping out of the train in E1M3 does not damage you at all if you jump buffer
> Wireframe mode can be accessed in Bloodbath, giving you a wallhack

Do I need to continue?

>>5563957
fockin roooaaaaw !

>>5563980
Oh yeah and I forgot that the midi font they used is garbage too, you can literally find a better one by googling "SC55 soundfont"

>>5562750
NOBODY HAD A JOB, IT WAS A GLORIOUS TIME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VCHj2OSdw

>>5563980
>Physics allow you to jump to places you're not intended to in the original


Don't worry said Kaiser. It'll be just like Build but better, without the glitches and weird quirks of the engine, said Kaiser!

>>5563896
What I do know is that you're a Russian cocksucker and their shill. There an official port now, there's no need to depend on the makeshift "reverse engineered" shit anymore.

>>5563980
>jumping out of the train in E1M3 does not damage you at all if you jump buffer
Isn't that original behaviour?

>>5564062
It's not a matter of shilling, rather being objective. "official port" my ass, if the thing sucks then i'll gladly use the "unofficial" means, faggot. It's also funny how you imply about shitty reverse engineering, because that's exactly what your master Kaiser did. Go back suck his dick now, you double zoomnigger.
>https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1071146867650641920

>>5564062
>there's no need to depend on the makeshift "reverse engineered" shit anymore
Fresh Supply IS a makeshift "reverse engineered" shit, that doesn't even use Build Engine.
GDX and NBlood at the very least try to be demo accurate.

ITT trolls trolling trolls

>>5564081
Ok, brah. Now go back on working on Boris' shaft, he can't wait forever.

>>5564103
>demo accurate
why is everyone so obsessed about demo accuracy
isnt the most popular Doom port g/zdoom and iirc that isnt demo accurate

>>5560530
How do you get Inherit the Earth and/or Hostile Takeover running in Blood?

>>5564108
Here you go again, you don't know how to reply to an argument so you start with your spastic crying. The reply button is an option, you know? You're not obliged to embarass yourself like the retarded idiot you are.

>>5560530
When are they going to fix it so that we can run 100% of Blood mods with no problems?

>>5564115
Did I touched a nerve out there, son. Don't worry, you'll get to touch something hard from your Russian master.

>>5564112
ZDoom is the most popular because of it's moddability first and foremost. It's also still way closer to original Doom than Fresh Supply to original Blood, due to being based on the source code and not reverse engineered.
Demo accuracy is important here mostly to show how close reverse engineering effort made the port faithful to the original game.

>>5564128
lol, stop seething anon it's too evident by now. chill out a bit and think about the wrong stuff you said earlier.

>>5564134
t. anally devastated because a new port of an old game... exists.

>b-b-but muh Russian shit!!!!

why didn't they use the original source code?

>>5564154
>totally missing the point
Reaching for every non-counterargument you can think of, I see.

>>5564163
Because Atari doesn't have rights for it.

>>5564163
Monolith probably lost it.

>>5564163
It's chained up in a tower somewhere and nobody can get to it.

>>5564164
Go seethe more about the existence of something

>>5564174
That's literally what you're doing though. And you should stop, it's unhealthy.

>>5564168
lol what
they can sell the game but dont have the source code?

>>5564187
>no u
Seethe more, kid.

>>5564197
They are publishers, not developers.

>>5564214
how the hell do you repackage it then?

>>5561204
But this one still uses sprites instead of 3d models.

>>5564234
And that's a good thing.

>>5560530
This "port", man. It's so bad. It doesn't even have the mid-air circular explosion that happens if you direct hit things with dynamite. The dynamite explosion is always the ground explosion, even when hitting enemies in mid-air. The gore effects (gibs etc) that happen when you blow up enemies are significantly reduced, too. The sound quality is also shit. Cultists are also making new sounds they weren't making before, last I heard those noises was in BloodCM. Did Kaiser use CM as a reference point or what?

>>5564234
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUNv1FiuxJo
I think this is more your thing then

>>5564234
blood with 3d models?

>>5562834
No, retard, all I'm saying is I can play through the game fine without using a mouse, except for getting good grenade shots on some switches (namely the fucker on the lava pit room in Welcome to the Revolution). Marathon gives you fucktons of ammunition as long as the difficulty isn't limiting what you can carry (highest difficulty let's you carry all you can find). And you don't need to aim to use fists.
Durandal will fuck you over if you use ammo before it's actually necessary to do so, and I don't think I had a problem with ammo on Infinity, past the first time I played it. So what do you need aiming for? There's enough ammo to get by without aiming, unless you don't know how to manage it.
In the past the blue fighters in the higher platforms in the bridge room right after the crushing room in Defend this! caused me trouble but if you get on the ledge and stand near them you can actually cause infighting or just blast them out of this world up close. Or just take a minute to aim, dodge a few projectiles and kill them from afar then repeat onto the other side after clearing the melee ones on the bridge (it's not really one, it's just I dunno what else to call it).
>>5562831
I only played Blood once and I don't recall much other than having trouble at the beginning, having to ask a friend about a lot of stuff and taking forever to finish the game because I thought it was ridiculous and I was too much into Myth II.

>>5564251
For reference, webm related. Look at the circular mid-air explosion. Look at the extra gibs and blood (hands and eyeballs for example fall out as well).

i like the 8 player split screen

it'd be nice if duke 3d, doom 1 and 2, quake 1 2 and 3, unreal and unreal tournament 99 and 2004 had it

>>5564251
Like for like comparison. Look at the circular explosion and all those extra chunks/gibs that fall out.

>>5564295
Report it to the dev and whine long enough about it

>>5564251
>>5564295
>>5564315
Jeez. So much fuckups.
I wonder if it's Atari crunching NightDive and Kaiser to release it raw or was it Kaiser's ego growing big enough to the point of releasing a half assed works?

>>5564319
Or I could just not play this trash, which is exactly what I'm going to do :). Not that whining about something like this would even make a difference as it's obviously not going to result in more sales for them.

>>5564334
It's literally BloodCM 2, I swear that is exactly what BloodKux feels like, from the gimped gameplay, weird ass sounds/visuals and everything else. Idk, Kaiser seems like an alright guy desu, just doing his thing and trying to get by in the world. It's too bad his thing is raping games lol. For what it's worth, the Turok 2 remaster seemed kinda cool, but I was never a big Turok guy so who knows.

Hmm. I'm on ep3 on nblood, just going to continue playing that. I certainly wouldn't pay for this - fuk gog n steem.

>>5564360
It's not about sale, it's so we all can enjoy a better product than searching the web for ports.

It's pretty good

>>5564431
t. Kaiser

I'm not a purist, and I actually had high hopes for this. I expected it would be basically like Blood, but with better AI and less glitches. What a damn disappointment. Pretty much all of the changes are negative. The only improvements are that the ghosts and gargoyles AI is slightly improved. The sound is wrong, many enemies behavior is wrong, the physics are wrong, it's just wrong.

>>5564431
The issue is that, in a void, it's not outright bad (barring a couple bugs). But as a remaster of the original game? It's shit.

>>5564315
Apparently Kaiser's keeping an eye on every problem reported and wants to improve it.

At least he's sounding like he's dedicated. It could be a lot better as time goes on.

>>5564303
There are couple of ports based on Legacy that allow you to 2/4 player splitscreen on Doom.
There's also a tricky ways to run Unreal splitscreen (2 separate windowed instances, to one of which inputs are sent via scripts). Requires one player to use gamepad.

So we can all agree:

nBlood > GDX > This

Someone knows if the multiplayer in GOG is exclusive to Galaxy?

>>5564203
Literally buttmad, kek

>>5563915
>He's the Sgt Mark IV of game reviewers

Stopped reading there.

>>5564847
no because gdx is better

>>5564895
>no FOV slider
>less accurate colors
>Java

>>5564910
nBlood has inaccurate gameplay which makes all your points account to nothing.

>>5564910
>less accurate colors
Software renderer is in the works.
>Java
Nonissue for the end user.

>>5564910
>He can only think about 3 counterpoints against the 100+ issues of BloodKEK
top kek

>>5564959
It's against NBlood.

>>5564894
well most people did considering it's at the end of the sentence you mongoloid

>>5564968
>He can only think about 3 counterpoints against the 10+ issues of NBlood
kek

What specifically makes nBlood inferior to GDX?

>>5565028
More work to set-up addons and it's less accurate.
Also, no 32-bit support. Not a big problem, but I wouldn't mind to be able run it on some of my older machines.

>>5565028
Mainly gameplay inaccuracy, but I found out that it also lacks the same level of overall customization. They're both great ports though, there' no need to be elitist about it. By the way, is there someone here who uses it? I wanted to know if it finally supports other soundtrack versions, meaning not only the CD audio but also the various midi ones. GDX does so I don't see why NB shouldn't.

>>5565028
Do you really expect NBlood to even be able to compete with Russian autism?

>>5565042
>>5565049
>>5565050
It was updated in April and has gotten a lot better. Still don't know if it's better than GDX, I haven't used that in a while.

>>5565050
*open source autism
Also both NBlood and BloodGDX are originally made by Russians.

>>5565050
Nuke.YKT is also Russian and used a similar method as M210 to reverse engineer Blood and RR.

>>5565072
As of now, GDX is open source too.

>>5565072
GDX isn't open source, unless that happened recently.

>>5565084
It did, it's on github.

>>5564431
Uhm sorry pal but you see this one pixel is off by a centimeter so this port is total unplayable shit.

https://forums.duke4.net/topic/10574-blood-fresh-supply/

>>5565138
>auto crouch

What the hell is that?

>>5565083
That's exactly that I said.
>>5565084
Pic related.

>>5565151
He probably means a crouch toggle versus holding the key.

>>5565328
why no shadow warrior?

I know you are here kaiser
can you just give the people what they want and port fucking turok 3?
it's like you don't want my money or something

>>5565407
Sorry but at the moment I'm totally focused on fixing this mess I've just released.

Just joking, I'm enjoying the money and the people guzzling my cum for aforementioned abomination. Cheers!

>>5565438
jokes on you, I like to guzzle cum

>>5565401
Ask the ruskie. Perhaps he does have something planned for it. He's literally scraping the bottom of build games so I don't see any reason why he shouldn't indulge in this title too.

>>5565328
So does that mean that BloodGDX isn't botnet anymore?

>>5565448
You could check for yourself and remove the botnet part before compiling :^)

>>5565448
it never was

>>5563937
Ahoy's content are a high production value wikipedia articles. Somewhat informative, but also shallow and unrepresentative in their core.

>>5565401
Maybe because there are already several acceptable ports of those, and he's focusing on games that didn't have decent ports before.

8 player split screen needs at least a 70 inch tv to be any good if you're couch gaming

6 player is easily doable on any wide screen though, 40 in and smaller you just need to sit closer and anything larger is easily done on a couch

really wish doom 1 and 2, duke 3d, quake 1-3, unreal tournament 99 and 2004, star wars dark night 1 and 2 and dark forces, team fortress classic and 2, turok 1 2 and 3 and rage wars, carmageddon, and any racings games had this feature

>>5565590
With the only difference that they're not wikipedia articles, so they're just great documentary videos with high production value. Seems great to me, especially because I search that kind of objectivity in this kind of videos, and not some clown aiming everything to "personality" and debatable opinions. To each their own I guess.

>>5565596
so can we expect legend of the seven paladins support?

Just hosted a dm game

3 people joined, was fun.

My complaint is that the mp lobby interface does not communicate very well what you are setting up .

>>5565709
steam or gog?

>>5564131
ah, that makes sense then

>>5564163
>>5564168
>>5564169
>>5564170

what if someone steals it and leaks it? will they be seen as a hero?

>>5560530
Been playing Fresh Supply all day and it's so good. It really takes me back to the 90's when I was secretly blasting away at this game on my dad's computer (rip dad). Such an awesome port, I wish all dev studios were this dedicated and faithful to source material.

>>5566389
0/10

>>5566389
This but unironically

no "Love you to death" in the trailer means IT FUCKING SUCKS

>>5563528
Barely.

Don't get me wrong, he's miles ahead of GGGMan and Icarus, who are scrublords of the highest order, and I don't hate him, but Civvie is no expert or pro player by any means.

>only ever tried Blood in dosxbox which was annoying
>port seems fine
>OLD THING GOOD, NEW THING BAD

>>5566460
But he does a pro series an old FPS?!

>>5564295
>>5564315
Jesus, are you a petty and whiny nitpicker.

>>5562416
ROTT EX would be nice, that game doesn't even have a good sourceport.

>>5566469
Work harder Kaiser.

>>5566469
The explosions in Blood are one of the most important and satisfying thing in the game.

So more like jesus, you have no standard.

>>5566465
>"pro" Doom
>gets to E2M9
>completely misses the very obvious gimmick of the level that you're supposed to make the barons of hell infight with the cacodemons
>then complains about having to whittle down all those cacodemons with just the shotgun and how long that took, and how the exit makes no sense
It's not even a very good level, but COME ON.

>>5566451
>"Love you to death"
I wished they had used that in the trailer, instead it was what I can recall is the map finished theme to the Doom 2 mod-zBlood.
They should've done a little HD remake of the original trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7jJkiQO9oA

>>5562647
I'm not even a purist, I want OpenGL rendering, unlimited colors, dynamic lights, modern mouse support, and support for analog sticks, but if the gameplay is wrong, it's wrong.

If I have free options which offer me something much better, why the hell should I pay money for an inferior product?

>>5566469
This is important. I want that circular gas mortar explosion back you fucker.

>>5566482
We all have our weak moments

>>5566484
ZBlood used it for inbetween levels, but the track is originally from Blood, it plays at some point during the setup or when you do a sound test.

https://youtu.be/RPl3UpwX06c
Kind of a neat theme, nothing like the rest of the music in the game, and one wonders if the rest of the music would have been planned to be more like this earlier in its development.

>>5566469
>implying explosions aren't important

>>5562864
Yet it runs fine and has a good framerate.

>>5562880
I would, but the line to your mom's house goes around the block.

>>5566496
>we want the Michael Bay audience

>>5563294
>hitscan >:,(
G I T
U
D

>>5566505
Oh fuck off wankstain

>>5566505
>I shouldn't have to make any effort in properly replicating core gameplay mechanics
Kaiser, please.

>>5563686
>Kaiser desperately moving goalposts

>>5563869
>doesn't even try to address the arguments and instead nervously tries to deflect them
I'm keeping my money.

>>5563686
FIX. YOUR. SHIT.

>>5564062
>shill for a janky cash-in commercial product accusing fans of completely free fan ports made out of a love for the game of being shills
>s-stop using better and more authentic ports, p-please give me money for this port that doesn't work like it should at all
Fucking Megaton Edition was better than this.

>>5564062
>R-Russians
Hillary, is that you?

>>5564128
>>5564062
>>5564108

>>5564251
Even fucking ZBlood got the part with the different explosion graphics right.
Where's my "Big X" explosion?

>>5565363
He added crouch toggle? That's a blessing, I click my analog stick to crouch, and without a toggle that shit is unbearable (holding it at the same time as actually moving it is super awkward, just clicking to toggle it on and off repeatedly is smoother).

>>5565448
It was never a botnet.

>>5565590
I agree.

>>5565596
I wonder if I can pester him to do a port of Rise Of The Triad in that case, because that game gets little love and WinRottGL is frankly a piece of shit.

Don't need anything fancy, just Win 10 support, better mouselook, and maybe some dynamic lights.
Gamepad support would be nice though.

Just figured out how to play MP without GoG or Steam.

You can use "spawnipserver" and "connectip <ip>" in the console WITHOUT typing the port,

Clients don't sync with the server for reasons unknown, even if I just connect to myself.though.

>>5566908
Tried it with anon yesterday, didn't work. Probably he didn't open the port.

>>5566924
Yeah this is bullshit.

They should've made a better MP.

>>5562647
The 2 factors I really like about this remaster - good mouse aiming and easy to play multiplayer. Otherwise, a lot of fun things just disappeared. Blood spilling, explosions, enemy AI and behavior - it's just worse now. But the multiplayer and mouse aiming is the vital factors for me.

>>5566941
Oh, and remember that feel when you blast a zombie at point blank range and he just flying across the map beheaded and painting half the level red? Now it never happens.

>>5566952
DUDE! They cut that out?!

>>5566507
yikes

>>5562624
Because I pay for my goods and services when possible because I’m not a Jew or a nigger

>>5567027
Why are so many zoomers so proud of being bad at videogames?
Just learn how the game plays, don't get hit.

>>5567041
So you'll gladly pay money for a substantially inferior port, when there's two free hobbyist alternatives that are FAR superior, and which can be played legally with an original copy, or the previous GOG Blood package?

You may not be a 'jew', but you sure are a good little 'goyim'.

>>5567108
7 quid so a studio keeps old games alive and kicking. Yep.

All that hyperbole... Jesus Christ you even TYPE fat.

>>5567108
The GoG version gives you one unit whole anyway you poor fuck

>>5567161
I speak in no hyperbole.
Pay money for an inferior product, to encourage them to keep putting out inferior products? Is this "keeping old games alive"? Sorry, but you need to compete better in a free market, Kaiser.

NBlood and BloodGDX are the ones to put actual effort into "keeping Blood alive", because they actually bother to strive for authentic gameplay, and they do it at no cost, just because they love the game.
What Nightdive has here is a buggy and inaccurate hackjob.
Stop settling for less.

>>5567163
I already bought that several years ago, because even if it wasn't a proper port, it was a full game which had long since been out of distribution.
If they keep selling One Whole Unit, I'll gladly recommend it in the future, but I'll continue to advise against Fresh Blood until it improves.

>>5567163
Work harder on your port, lazy fuck.

>>5561728
Install DirectX9

>>5567227
NBlood and BloodGDX are the ones to put actual effort into "keeping Blood alive", because they actually bother to strive for authentic gameplay

Interesting how they have zealots on both sides. Now why would that be if they were both “authentic”? You can justify being a nigger with a nigger mentality all you want, that’s all you fatty.

>I already bought
Course you did, Tyrone.

J U S T

>>5562703
FUCKING RAW

>>5563650
>No crossplay
>Between two pc stores
are the devs literal retards?

>>5567263
Which version is even good?

>>5562097
Did this faggot with a straight face claim that Blood, Shadow and Duke are from the same engine as Doom.

>>5567108
>Why are so many zoomers so proud of being bad at videogames?
why are incels proud about not having sex?

>>5563245
Yeah, and how many of those idiots are using Windows 10.

>>5563951
>implying normies will want to play a game that has underage cheer leading girls talking about their nipples and working in brothels

>>5567321
huh? I said boomers would flock to the game.

>>5567338
My bad I'm half asleep right now and misread what you posted.

>>5567243
I sure did, scrublord.

>Now why would that be if they were both “authentic”?
Both are more authentic than Fresh Blood, whether spergs want to argue about Java or the colors not being 100% like the original isn't of my concern, both make a proper effort for authentic gameplay, and are damn close, as opposed to Kaiser making not even token effort towards authentic gameplay.

>>5567286
I've definitely had more than you have, snot-nose.
How's it feel that a big fat 'boomer' like me has gotten more tail? Don't worry, you'll learn how to talk to girls some day.

>>5560530
HOW IN THE FUCK do you shake off the severed hand things in Blood? I'm using BuildGDX if that makes a difference.