/vr/ - Retro Games

idgaf

Yadda yadda most people are misguided by the tutorial into tediously drawing from enemies over and over instead of refining items and cards.

How does para magic actually work? How do people junction GFs? What ARE GFs exactly? Are they like daemon familiars? Where does a sorceresses powers come from?

>>5559117
Best ps1 ff.

It's not my favorite Final Fantasy, but I like it. Better than anything they did after IX, at least.

>>5559117
Anything pre VII is fantastic
VII is good
Anything after is garbage to okay

I don't like Final Fantasy so I guess I was predisposed to appreciate VIII considering how different it was from the rest of the series. I never finished it but I did enjoy what I played (I think I got to Disc 3). I don't know if I'd want to go back and play it again, though, with all the unskippable summon animations.

>>5559117
No we just dislike /v/ coming to our board. Please go back.

>>5559214

They get short at some point and they are not that useful, you can get through almost all the game relying on melee atacks, specials and drawing-applying magic

>>5559205

>>5559117
I consider it one of the weaker final fantasy games but I don't hate it.

>>5559205
Almost, anything pre VII is very average, VII is great, anything after is utter garbage

>>5559304
Quite the opposite. It drew your attention.

>>5559117
It's my personal favorite. Although i would agree VI and IX were better.

Old man, reporting in.

My first FF was the original on a friend's NES. He sold it on to me and I loved it.

I've played every main entry at least twice - once for completion, once for 100% - and aside from saying that FF4 is the strongest and FFIX was better than FFVII, which is a good game but vastly overrated by the "it was my first FF game" fanbase that also infects the FFX crowd, I can say FFVIII was horrible.

Unlikeable and annoyingly under-developed main character.

Annoying as piss sidekicks.

Horrible way of obtaining magic.

Not getting money from mobs, but getting a fucking paycheck.

But the worst part? The absolute worst part?

The "omg amnesia lol" plot element.

You literally cannot get any lazier than "I forgot" in what is mean to be an epic RPG.

That said, the Junction system was genius, and the OST was amazing. So it has those.

>>5559679
The GF messing with your memory could have been better if Irvine had more prominent role with better foreshadowing about that plot device. But if you didn't read the computer notes at the beginning and pay attention to like the one or two lines Irvine has, then it's really easy to just not see it coming and it be an total ass pull. It's still a half ass pull even if you were paying attention.

>>5559312
this.

2 is the best final fantasy, the plot is actually meaningful and isnt just a bunch of anime melodramatic bullcrap like every other game in the series

>>5559151
What was wrong with X, is it because they changed from having a fixed camera to one that follows you around, or something?

>>5559857
FFX is literally a remake of the very first game with an even dumber plot. It's the shining example of how jrpgs don't progress at all and just make weebs cream themselves over the pretty graphics and waifus.

>>5559679
>aside from saying that FF4 is the strongest
Post completely disregarded

Good: It has an incredible soundtrack, one of the best minigames in any FF game, and had very impressive visuals for its time.

Bad: The story is pretty trash, and most of the characters don't really get any development except for Squall and Rinoa. Terrible villain with nonsense motivations too.

???: Junctioning was also a bizarrely obtuse system where you either don't understand it at all or you're instantly breaking the game with it the second you do. Very weird design choice.

>>5559124
It's not the tutorial so much as the first couple hours of the game, before you start getting the refine abilities (you can get them pretty quick if you know what you're doing, though).

>>5559857
>linear world
>airship is just a quick travel device and not really a ship you get to fly around and explore
>character's ultimate weapons are stashed behind gimmicks like dodging consecutive lightning strikes
>dumb ending
>a main character who is the biggest little bitch
>pacific islander inspired world where everyone wears the dumbest clothes
>non-memorable soundtrack
>not /vr/ related
The combat was actually fun, though.

>>5559880
t. 80 iq

God Tier:
Final Fantasy V

High Tier:
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy III

Mid Tier:
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VI

Low Tier:
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy VIII

Shit Tier:
Final Fantasy II

>>5559947
Not the worst taste I've ever seen. At least you prioritize build customization and replay value over story

>>5559117
I don't consider games good or bad. I only consider them interesting, or uninteresting. FF8, to me, is an interesting game.

>>5559925
>main character who is the biggest little bitch
He was a sports star living a cushy life and suddenly got thrown into another world he knew nothing about, and his first thought was "damn Yuna's cute I'm gonna lay my fucking life down to protect her," and THEN when it's revealed that he doesn't even fucking exist and when they fight Sin, Yuna will die and he'll truly cease to exist, he says "too fucking bad I guess but I'm not letting that happen" and does that shit knowing full well what's going to happen to him. Tidus rules.

>>5559947
Lmao why would you play FFI and FFIII when you can just play FFV and call it a day? For the non-existent story with inferior mechanics?

>>5559925
>FFX
>non-memorable soundtrack
Wrong.

>>5559925
There's not a single valid point there, brainlet. X rules.

>>5559965
>>5559969
>>5559972
It isn't /vr/ related. Don't get your panties in a wad.

>>5559857
Shitty pacing, M.Night-tier twist, average to annoying characters, hilariously cringy voice acting, boring world map, claustrophobic presentation, should I go on?

>>5559978
based

>>5559978
All of that is subjective, other than linearity, which I'll give you. There's literally nothing wrong with the voice acting. I bet you watched tons of hilarious Tidus laugh maymays, though.

>>5559402
Have sex.

>>5559124
Yup that was me.. Does it actually get better? The draw system is fucking stupid.

>>5559117
The combat system was needlessly complicated.

>>5559947

excellent taste

>>5560006
>There's literally nothing wrong with the voice acting.

It's not terrible, that's why I said it's hilarious. It's certainly not Shining Force 3. And honestly, I don't blame the voice actors but the terrible fucking script, voice directing, and lack of effort in reanimating mouth flaps. Notice how they repeat "ya know" at the end of every other sentence in order to match "de sho"? It's a lazy and amateurish. More power to you if can stomach the bad presentation but let's not pretend that everyone can be as ignorant.

>>5560013
Don't get OCD about drawing--problem solved. There are so many other ways to get magic that it's not completely necessary to spend time drawing every new magic you see from enemies.

>>5559885
People keep saying Rinoa has development.
What Development? She's essentially the same when you meet her by the end if not worse.

>>5559215
No

>>5560049
Only a hardcore autist would notice some dumbshit like that

>>5559973
>shit opinion get btfo'd

I-its not retro guys!

>>5560202
>not noticing
>completely devoid of the concept of normal social interactions
>actually thinks FFX had a good script
Meta-autism.

>>5560221
Has to be the biggest "NO U" I've ever seen

>>5560227
Your lack of self-awareness to call someone else autistic while spread your full spectrum was too ironic not to point out.

>>5559969
not him but that one admittedly good track doesnt change the fact that the entire rest of the ost is forgettable garbage

>>5559124

no raisin to ever draw from enemies unless they've got a GF you can draw from them. if you know what you're doing you can refine badass equips and magic playing Triple Triad on the side.

it's the FF that becomes better with wisdom, time, and maturity.

>>5559947
>Wasting this much of your life in anime cringeworthy dialogue and menu fights.

Thank god i'm not an rpg fag.

FF8 is the best retro final fantasy.

If you talk to them, you'll realize 95% of the people who dislike it dislike it because THEY misunderstood the gameplay and the story. They don't hate the game, they hate their own stupidity, they just don't know it.


FF8 was a step into the right direction both in terms of gameplay and story because of the amount of freedom it gave to the player and because of the depth of the system; but also because the story didn't take its audiance for retards and storytelling assumed everyone would be able to remember story bits from earlier in the game and put 2 and 2 together themselves.

Sadly most people didn't understand the freedom in gameplay, nor were they able to understand a story that wasn't 100% mouthfed.

And this is why FF9 was a step backwards; but also why 10 is a corridor RPG, or why 13 literally plays itself.
The jRPG audiance had spoken, they did not want this amount of gameplay freedom nor did they want the storytelling to treat them like adults. Thus, Square listened, and the sequels are what they are.

>>5560259
>FFX
>one good track
Wrong.

>>5559880
Straight up this

>>5560740
I wouldn't say that FFX had a terrible soundtrack but it was definitely not the highest point in the series and I would even go so far as to say that a lot of it was forgettable. Then again I'm one of those people who thinks that XII had a good soundtrack and was a good game in general so maybe my opinion doesn't matter.

>>5559124
Fucking carding takes just as long as drawing you smooth-brained mong.

>>5559679
>"omg amnesia lol"
Cloud has amnesia and was really living Zachs memories the entire time!!!! xD

>>5560846
Playing cards and card mod is fun tho

>>5560851
Don’t forget Terra and Zidane. Its almost like that was a zoomer larping as an old man.

>>5560621
All video games are a waste of time retard, no genre is less a waste than any other

>>5560621
>thank God I have a low iq
The happiest people are generally the dumbest. Must be nice.

>>5560623
Amen brother.

>>5559117
yes, thankfully

>>5560623
I agree with this, except FFIX is like 8 steps backward, not 1. They dropped every element that had made FFs V, VI, VII and VIII interesting, and made something even more restrictive than FFIV (only not as good).

They went from a game that lets you do whatever you want with stats, skills and magic builds and went to locking everything to characters and making most skills only become available at certain points in the game. Literally ultimate open endedness, to ultimate restriction.

>>5560897
I wouldn't say 9 is more restrictive than 4. What is there to do in 4 except buy and equip literally ONE new piece of gear every shop or so?

At least in 9 you have more choice on what to equip, to learn, and at some points can chose your characters.

>>5560623
13 doesn't really play itself, it's just an odd battle system. Instead of directly controlling the action you employ general strategies.

So, rather than tell every party member to attack, you switch to the paradigm with the general commands you want to use.

There are 6 combat roles, meaning only 6 potential commannds for each character;
>attack
>taunt and tank
>buff
>debuff
>cast elemental magic
>heal
But each character handles each role differently enough to make a difference, but not differently enough to change said role's function.

An example of this is that Light as a sentinal is dodge based, not a true tank and characters cast spells in different set orders too. So Sahz as a synergist ALWAYS casts haste first thing, while another character casts something else.
So the same paradigm, but where characters shift who has what role, will actually translate to different results.

Added to this is that there are literally tens of thousands of potential party set ups based on:
>Team leader>2 party members>what 6 paradigms

The first several hours of the game is restrictive and combat is not complex, but by like 5 hours in, you start to get into the depth of things.

The goal of combat isn't just "win", it's more complex, because in any random battle, you could face; 1 large enemy and several small fuckers.
The little shits attack often, but don't individually do tons of damage. The big fucker could 2 shot any party member though, but would take more effort to take down.
So do you tank, then plug away? Do you quickly stagger the big guy and use the time gained to mop up the little shits? Do you buff and debuff while an attacker mops up the little guys? There's lots of potential plans of attack for every situation.

Older FFs did this to a degree, but not as much in just average random encounters.
Also, FFXIII's combat really shines during boss fights.

The combat is a combination of turn based RPG, real time RTS and action game in a way.

>>5560924
Ok, you got me there. However im IV you could at least grind to get more skills. I always felt like 9 never let you really sequence break were and when uou couldnget any particulat skill, unless you play autistically and buy 9 of every equipment or something.

So I still say IV is the better game.

>>5560928
>13 doesn't really play itself, it's just an odd battle system. Instead of directly controlling the action you employ general strategies.
2/3 of the combat is automated and changing jobs doesn't really count as inputting commands. 13 feels like an "interactive movie"

>>5560851
This right here

>>5560851
Desh from FF3 had amnesia, Tellah in FF4 forgot all his spells, Galuf in FF5 had amnesia

>>5559679
Can’t tell if old man with amnesia that doesn’t remember any of the other FF games, or is a larping zoomer.

>>5559117
It's not a very good game, and it's somehow uglier than it's predecessor, the backdrops are mostly very bland and repetitive

>>5559141
GFs invade your brain and make a home for themselves. Over time this leads to memory loss

>>5560235
have sex.

>>5559117
I like it cause for the first time the characters felt human in a FF game for a change. There wasn't some furry or robot or troll or whatever fantasy character to break your emersion to the fiction being played out. The draw system was fine as long as you got what you wanted from it. The card game once you got the hang of it was pretty cool. Not my favorite FF but a lot better than what's out today. I'd take VIII, IX, X and X2 plus Tactics over fucking modern Squaresoft

>>5559978
Dude even FF1 which had really no plot or characters to speak of per se but had only the linear game objectives and yet HAD A PLOT TWIST regardless. Every FF has some M. Shamylan ass pull in it. Even the online or mobile ones do too.

>>5559965
What a cuck

>>5559117
it's an ok game but i don't like how easy it is to gimp your characters and squall is the biggest bitch of any psx ff

>>5561526
Yeah but FFX's tweest of Tidus being a dream was fucking stupid.

>>5559679
Amnesia is a plot element in FFIV, FFVI, and FFVII.

>>5559679
worst bait ive seen in years.

>>5562554
This. I don't recall IV's all that well, but VI's was just a plot device to make Terra seem mysterious that was pointless an hour into the game and VII's was the worst character origin story ever ("I'm a failure, so I just self insert into some one better's memories")
At least VIII dealt with characters forgetting people they knew when they were 4 years old or younger. Which is actually the single most believable use of amnesia as a plot device ever.

Auron is prob the coolest ff character ever. Prob at least top 5 up there w Kain

Not to beat a dead horse but I really hate that the devs are on record saying Rinoa is not Ultimecia. It might not be an intended part of the story, but it fixes so much that's wrong with the game.

>>5559947
Good list. I'd bump 8 to mid and drop 4 to low though. The FF's with static classes are hella gay.

>>5563161
That's funny I like the ones with the static classes the best.

>>5561456
Yes we know girlfriends do such but what about GFs?

>>5559857
X is one of the biggest regressions in the genre