/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5548638
Yes.

>>5548638
There was a GOOD cartoon in which he was Robotnik.

>>5548651
There were also Mario cartoons were Bowser was Koopa.

>>5548658
>GOOD

I don't even really remember the "Princess Toadstool" name being used very much before 64. She's referred to as just Princess in every game as far as I remember. Never had a problem with Eggman either. Didn't Adventure make both names canon anyway?

>>5548658
I remember by smb3 they said his full name was King Bowser Morton Koopa.

>>5548638
There was two cartoons and literally tons of other (comics etc) official lore which referred to him as Robotnick. Much moreso than Mario had.

Because Peach sounds like a real name and Eggman doesn't sound good to Western ears. And no, not even if you spin it as an insult Sonic made up that Robotnik hates but also starts calling himself anyway because ????

Probably because of the bizarre way Eggman was introduced to western audiences. Mario 64 has the opening letter be addressed from Princess Toadstool, with a -Peach signature at the end implying it's her first name or something. Sonic Adventure has Eggman introduce himself as Robotnik, then Sonic goes "lol Eggman" and everyone keeps calling him that for the rest of the game (including himself). It wasn't until Sonic Adventure 2 that they kind of established Eggman was his mad scientist supervillain name.

>>5548638
Because Peach sounds ok but Eggman is beyond corny.

>Young Eggman: Welp, my name is Eggman. Time to get fat.

>>5548738
That's kind of a cool way to do it at least, instead of having a perpetual M.Bison/Vega type thing going on

>>5548685
Yup, and Morton is Morton Koopa, Jr. Yet they still try to deny that the "Koopalings" were ever Bowser's children.

>>5548672

She was Toadstool in Super Mario RPG.

I prefer call him KINTOBOR

>>5548773
*to call him

>>5548740
heh

>>5548638

Huh, kinda forgot Wing Fortress Zone had a checkpoint up there

Sorry, Robotnikchads have won and he has gone back to the superior name.

The earliest insurance I've seen of her calling herself Peach was in this weird movie where there's also a prince

>>5548812
Who's that blonde knight cucking Mario?

I have always thought Eggman was an incredibly stupid name. First off eggs are tasty and good for you. I'd also rather be an egghead than a meathead. Also it's way too obvious - "eggman". "Robotnik" on the other hand could pass for an actual name if people didn't know what it was from. It has "robot" in it referring to all his contraptions, and it has this "nik" at the end sounds a bit eastern european - lowkey throwing Russia under the bus as the bad guy again but as a name it works. "Eggman" is just fucking stupid.

>>5548827
Literally calling him "Egg Man" is stupid, like a bad supervillain name, but Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles aren't all that much better if you stop to think about it. That being said, I'll gladly take the name Eggman over some genuinely terrible shit they tried to pull like Miles Prower

>>5548812
You know she's called Peach in the Japanese manual to SMB1, right? What the hell did you think she was called there.

Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik

>>5548638
Its Eggman being a fucking awful name and Robotnik being genius

Is it Snake
or is it Big Boss?
or is it Naked Snake?

Is it Snake
or is it Liquid Snake?

Is it Snake
or is it Solidus Snake?

Is it Snake
or is it Solid Snake?

Is it Snake
or is it Raiden?

Is it Snake
or is it Snake?

Is it Big Boss?
or is it Snake?
or is it Naked Snake?
or is it Venom Snake?

Is it Snake
or is it Liquid Snake?

Is it Snake
or is it Solidus Snake?

Is it Snake
or is it Solid Snake?

Is it Snake
or is it Raiden?

Is it Snake
or is it Snake?

>>5549221
>Super Big Snake Naked Venom Snake Snake Vic Ishmal Saladin Who Sold the Boss Mario World
After MGS3, Snake is used as more of a tongue in cheek callback to the fans rather than an actual name in Peace Walker. Literally despite what Big Boss says about what is preferred pronouns are, no one fucking cares and everyone calls him whatever.
>Call me Snake
>Oh, uh, sorry, Vic Boss

>Liquid Snake
Liquid Snake

>Solidus Snake
Solidus Snake

>Solid Snake
Solid Snake

>Raiden
Raiden you dumb wingnut

>Snake
SNAKES ARE REPTILES

>>5548638
"Princess Peach" is nice. It's alliterative and it's not tonally different from "Princess Toadstool"
"Eggman" sounds goofy as shit and way sillier than Dr. Robotnik.

It's not surprising they've gone the route of having Eggman be his nickname and Robotnik his actual name.

>>5548960
I guess I thought it said the same thing the US manual said. Intredasting.

>>5548812
The earliest American moment to use Peach was actually Yoshi's Safari. Quality Control might have been asleep that day.

>>5548719
>an insult Sonic made up that Robotnik hates but also starts calling himself anyway because ????
It's like reclaiming a slur.

>>5548667
smb and smb3 cartoons were kino.

>>5548685
>>5548760
Bowser in the cartoons, was usually called "King Koopa" but on rare occasions called "Bowser Koopa". Morton is called "Morton Koopa Jr." as a reference to some talkshow host, just like how the rest of the Koopalings are named after musicians.
> Yet they still try to deny that the "Koopalings" were ever Bowser's children.
In fairness, it varies on whether or not Nintendo reprints the manuals exactly, so you'd have digital manuals from the Virtual Console release still calling them his kids or the Super Mario Adventures reprints.
It's just newer material, which falls moreso under retcon.

>>5548638
Because the SatAM cartoon and Archie comics gave people a very skewed vision of Sonic when the games themselves originally weren't meant to anything more complex than Looney Tunes.

>>5549221
Uhm sorry, his name is CaTaffy. I know because the manual and back cover of the officially released NES game mention exactly that. The fact the game and all its sequels call him Big Boss is due to spotty localization and retcons, and as we know the US is the most relevant country in the world and all localized material must be treated as the gospel (this is Robotnikfags logic at work).

>>5548827
It's a reference.
A hold over from when the Sonic series had musical references/connotations like Sonic having a band.

>>5548772
Before that she was Peach in Yoshi's Safari but no one ever played that game.

When I was a kid and was playing Sonic 2 with my buddy, his dad came over and saw Robotnik on the TV; he was like "who's that egg with legs?"

>>5549479
btw he could see his legs because it was Wing Fortress' boss.

>>5549326
I assume Yoshi's Safari was such a D-list game that they paid a translator 5 bucks to throw together a translation of the "story" and he just didn't get the memo about the Toadstool thing.

>>5549486
probably.
I love Yoshi's Safari though.

The strangest part is that if you look at some of the earliest Sonic material (like the story bibles that got revised multiple times or the Fleetway comics origin of Sonic), there's enough clues that it seemed Sega was going to just commit to Eggman as a name before Robotnik won out.

>The scientist in early Sonic canon who met Sonic is first named Ovi, similar to the word Ovum, for egg
>Kintobar, prior to transformation in at least one comic, references "Eggstein"
>the catalyst that causes Ovi to transform into Robotnik is an egg
>early canon Robotnik speaks with varying"eggs" puns
>the Eggmobile (or Egg-o-matic as it was called in Adventures) retained its name even in translation
>one episode of Adventures actually has Tails insultingly call Robotnik "Eggman".

Feels weird as fuck to play up all the egg humor and then go nowhere with it.

>>5549221
it's bimmy

>>5549909
their names were spike and hammer

>>5548827
Robotnik is a real word in some language. It was used in the Kraftwerk song Robots

>>5549465
>the games themselves originally weren't meant to anything more complex than Looney Tunes.
Bullshit.
The games had fairly elaborate stories to them told through the instruction manuals. Far from Looney Tunes.

Sonic OVA also proves this.

>>5548749
It should have never been changed.
Fuck Capcom, I will always call the red dictator Vega. M. Bison doesn't fucking make sense.

>>5549959
>The games had fairly elaborate stories to them told through the instruction manuals
Which the US localizations completely erased.

Barring that, the boss battles with Eggman feel very much like things out of a Road Runner/Wile E. Coyote cartoon. And in the early concept sketches, Sonic's world was very much like Looney Tunes. Remember Madonna, that Jessica Rabbit-esque girlfriend Sonic was supposed to have?

>>5549341
Tranny isn’t a positive term, faggot.

>>5548638
Robotnik just sounds better, and so does Peach.

>>5548638
Because it turned out Peach was actually a good name outside Japan
In America/Europe calling him Eggman didn't sound as fitting for an evil mad scientist fixing to kill the planet and use all lifeforms as batteries for his machinery.

Because even if you’re 5 years old and know nothing about Japanese fictional character naming conventions, you can still be put off by an awkward, prosaic name. Imagine if the situation was reversed and the Japanese were playing one of our games where a character was named “Tamago-san.” Would that really sound good and natural to them?

In Japanese, “egg” and “man” are exotica. In English, they’re just nouns. At best, maybe you could call it a Beatles reference, or perhaps Beastie Boys.

>>5549359
wew

>>5549964
>Fuck Capcom, I will always call the red dictator Vega.
Are you Japanese? The name was always M. Bison in the American games from what I remember.

>>5550129
>In Japanese, “egg” and “man” are exotica.
What does that mean?

>>5550142
it means they/re foreign words that sound cooler just because they're foreign you baka gaijin

>>5550145
What makes Eggman sound cooler than robotnik? They're both English.

>>5550146
Robotnik sounds Russian.

>>5550148
Both non-Japanese, but same point.

>>5550073
I think it can be, but my boyfriend hates when I call myself a tranny or trap...

>>5550129
>Would that really sound good and natural to them?

Yes. Are you familiar with Dragon Ball?

>>5549480
>GO TO WARP ZONE
what did they mean by this

>>5548651
No there wasnt

>>5550148
It is literally some slavshit word for "worker"

>>5550483
The special stage in early Sonic materials Sega of America was referred to as a Warp.

>>5551167
i see. i did not know this.

Never forget the eternal Aeris vs. Aerith debate. All because some localization programmer accidentally put "Aeris" on the naming screen by default, despite her actually starting out in the game code as Aerith.

.

>>5549464
They should've just changed "Bowser" to "Koopa" at the same time they changed Toadstool to Peach. Literally everyone called him King Koopa back in the 90s apart from nerds that went "ACKSHULLY his name is Bowser, it says so in the instruction manual"

>>5551459
But then they'd have to go and change the name of the regular koopa enemies

>>5551428
And yet I still prefer Aeris. As a native English speaker it just sounds better and feels better to say.

>>5551482
Why would the king koopa’s koopa troopers need a different name?

>>5551428
>>5551527
My name ends in -is and even I think it should be Aerith.

>>5551482
I disagree about changing his name since I really like Bowser, but all the other enemy kings have the generic enemy name in their name. King Boo, Big Bob-omb, so on and so forth.

>>5552258
hi Penith

>>5548638
nintendo doesn't give a shit about continuity, so nobody cared.

The """""lore""""" reason is legitimately kinda funny
>real name is "Robotnik"
>everyone calls him "eggman" to fuck with him
>Robotnik hates this
>begins calling himself "Dr. Eggman" to fuck with them back

>>5552618
eggstreme

>>5548719
>and Eggman doesn't sound good to Western ears.

IOh man, I just realized they could have fixed it by simply calling him something like "Egmin". Sounds almost the same, but it could pass as a real name. Egg-MAN has emphasis on the second, like he's some egg based super hero.

Egmin Robotnik. Could that work?