/vr/ - Retro Games

1st gen Pokemon

Dragon Quest

im not sure

Final Fantasy VII without a doubt

Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Draqon Quest 8

>>5545756
cringe

>>5545810
You're the one who's cringe. People from your cloth don't even like RPGs they live in constant denial the genre they like the most is visual novel. Pokemon trainers worldwide weren't afraid of what you faggots call grind, they'd train their pokemons, evolve and battle friends. You're soulless

Dark Souls 2

Unironically

>>5545752
The creators of that game are not even born yet.

>>5545837
The golden age was in the retro era, it's already out man

D&D Mystara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNdvgRf-6vQ

Live A Live

>>5545856
I'm inclined to agree with this man. The eclectic nature of the game makes it so much fun

>>5545836
agreed

Final Fantasy VI

>>5545752
Undertale, because it takes six hours to fully explore both of the worthwhile routes, and then you can do something fun instead of watching a jarpig.

>>5545756
It's pretty broken. Stuff doesn't work as intended. The remakes are a bit better, but still boring.

>>5545837
This is very likely.

Most certainly a SNES-PS era Square RPG

I'm torn between Romancing SaGa 2, Final Fantasy V and Live a Live

>>5545771
Basic and boring

Final Fantasy Tactics

Super mario bros 3

>>5545752
Dragon Quest 5. Next question

>>5546270
It must be so tough living with brain damage.
I'm sorry

>>5545752
There's no single answer. It's like music.

>>5546039
RPG =/= strategy

扉の伝説 / Tobira no Densetsu and it's not even close.
Anyone who disagrees hasn't played Tobiden.

>>5546364
Okay, then Suikoden II

To me it's grandia 2, but im a brainlet

>>5545771
This

>>5546032
Yeah that's what anybody atop "mount stupid" is likely to say about the greatest example of the thing they like to think they know more than everyone about.

>>5546370
>RPG maker game
>best of all time
Ironic? Trolling? Do I need to lurk moar?
RPG maker games are usually just 'turn-based RPG plus dialogue that wouldn't make it past a censorship team.' Wew, they said ochinchin, lelele

That said, LISA came out of RPG maker and was fantastic, so I'm dying to know-- if not bait, what makes this great?

Chrono Trigger

>>5545817
CRINGE

>>5546270
based retardposter

>>5545752
Parasite Eve. It's unlike most of what you may have seen before.

>>5545752
Persona 5

>>5546701
2

>>5546364
You're not even a programmer prove it by showing your programming socks

>>5546692
1312

>>5545752
Vagrant Story, and I defy any of you to prove me wrong.

>>5545837
How does your perfect jrpg look like?

For me is either DQ3 or FF1.

>>5545752
Xenogears
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy 6/7
Vagrant Story
Seiken Densetsu 3
DQ3

Meme shit:
Chrono Trigger
SMT
Suikoden 2

King's Field. It looks like shit, but it's still the most immersive (retro) JRPG I can think of.

>>5546742
And this. Vagrant Story is really brutal, but it's a great game once you start to understand how affinities work.

>>5545752
Super Mario RPG

Chrono Trigger for being a well rounded package of fun characters, a charming story, good music and good gameplay.

SaGa 2 for the best gameplay mechanics and most fun, and possibly best music, the story is goofy but fun. The mix of technology and magic is also badass.

Final Fantasy 2 best story in jrpgs period, this game is not light hearted like most jrpgs or final fantasy games, it has a very serious tone and gets pretty heavy at times. For an 8bit game it's pretty damn impressive the story it manages to tell, the sacrifices some of the characters make are really impactful. The gameplay is okay there is a lot of bullshit monster closets but I like the mechanics which were refined in SaGa, the music is excellent and sets the mood perfectly for this game. It's old so it has a crazy encounter rate, and it's hard but if you can get past that you are in for a really great game.

>>5545836
This

>>5545851
UNIRONICALLY BASED.

>>5545836
FF8 isn't even the best Final Fantasy, let alone the best JRPG.

>>5545756
I was gonna say Panzer Dragoon Saga or FFIV or 6.

But deep down in my heart, I know you're right.

It's gen 1 Pokemon. It always was.

Which SNES localization patch is the best to play for FF6? Is there any value in the original localization when it comes to charm, or is it just overall a shitty job? I was thinking of using the relocalization
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2247/

>>5547269
>localization patch
lol

>>5546012
Uhh... so they're trannies?

>>5546012
>tumblr tier shit art
>tranny background
Maximum gay. Please leave and never come back.

>>5547269
>https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2247/
Just enjoy the experience, the one you provided looks good compared to the one I played years ago.

Be thankful you get a very good experience with that patch.

>>5546570
imagine being this elitist on the internet

>>5547303
i second that

How games should be rated:
#1 Original release
#2 What-if scenarios for pre-release and post-release changes
#3 Official patches and re-releases / remakes
#4 Mods and unofficial content

>Writing
Story
Plot
Dialogue
Characters
Lore / World design
>Sound design
Soundtrack / Music
Ambience
Sound effects
Voice acting
>Visuals/Graphics
Graphics
Environmental design
Character design
Spritework/Modelling
>Gameplay
Mechanics
Combat
Exploration
Platforming
Physics
Player choice
>Miscellaneous Game design
Level / Stage / Map design
Progression system
Artificial Intelligence (Environmental; Non-Player-Character [Ally, Enemy, Neutral])
Items / Equipment
Saving
Balancing
>Performance
Framerate
Optimization
Loading
Bugs
Stability (crashes)
Modibility
>Content
Unlockables
Base game
Modes
Customization
>Price

>>5547338
Guy actually sounded somewhat open to having his mind changed, which isn't exactly unreasonable considering that pick really is out of left field.

>>5546712
persona 2 legitimately belongs in the goat discussion for story, characters, atmosphere, and music. gameplay-wise, though, it's far from the best.

>>5545836
based

>>5545851
Game is artificially hard. No thanks

>>5545752
It's not retro.

>>5545752
Ocarina of time

>>5547453
Not an rpg.

>>5546336
the greatest work of music is wagner's ring cycle

>>5546570
ochinchin is said in children's media in japan, and in fact they even casually show ochinchins in it like it's nothign

>>5546570
also lisa sucks, the best rpg maker game is yume nikki which is not an rpg

>>5547380
I'm not the anon that posted it, but I take it you haven't played tobira no densetsu either then? jesus christ.

>>5547712
you're a fucking retard. yume nikki is literal garbage compared to:
Kindred Saga
Legend of the Philsopher's Stone
Naufragar Crimson
Bloodborne Rm2K3 (french)
Tobira No densetsu

why do people pretend to /into/ rpgmaker after they've played yume nikki for an hour once?

star ocean 2, there's so much content and so many different things you can do for a jrpg and the action battle system is much more fun than turn-based crap

>>5547724
based.

>>5545752
Baldur's Gate with the text mod that swaps the L's and R's

>>5547723
i don't know much about those but i did play a number of rpg maker games back in the early-mid '00s. my favorite was The Way

>>5547724
>when you spend half an hour switching between Scout settings and then you hear the ding that tells you Sixth Sense was unlocked.

Fucking love this game.

>>5547715
That's right. I think I permanently missed the boat on doujin games. I just don't think I'd have the time to sit down and get fully absorbed in a 100+ hour JRPG again. My favorites from childhood would have to be Star Ocean: The Second Story as already mentioned here, SaGa Frontier, and Final Fantasy VIII. I.e. mainstream shit that I would've been able to pick up down at Babbages in '00.

>>5547724
>POISON POISON POISON POISON POISON POISON POISON POISON PIIIIILLS
No, I would rather sift through menus.

Hey guys, what's a good 16-bit strategy game? Like turn based battle but no story or exploration?
Something like Nectaris or the Wars series, except I've played those.

>>5547459
According to the developer's website, it is. Dumb faggot. Die.

>>5547831
and i bet you would've trusted the tobacco companies when they said smoking doesn't cause cancer. it's not an rpg. it's just action adventure. deal w it.

>>5547791
its all good man. star ocean 2 is actually my favorite game on the psx. im a huge fan of 8 as well. whats the saga series like precisely?

>>5546270
Bof should be in the grate range.

Name me 1 JRPG that isn't:

>A grindfest
>Isn't medieval fantasy
>Has combat that isn't selecting a text option over and over

I'll wait.

>>5548221
Earthbound

>>5548227

Earthbound is a grindfest

>>5548221

>>5548229
No it isn't. Breath of Fire is a grindfest.

>>5548227
Umm... But anon specifically said combat that isn't selecting a text and isn't a grindfest. Are you dense or just trying to bait?

>>5545752

>>5548242
>isn't a grindfest.
And apparently you havent played Earthbound.

>>5545752
doesnt exist

>>5548221
>>5546692

>>5548263
barely an rpg

Whoever developed the first two 7th Dragon games and the Etrian Odyssey games with automapping seemed to have the right idea as far as gameplay went.

>>5548221
Gunparade march

Straight JARPIG no bullshit? It's a toss up between Chrono Trigger, FF7 and Suikoden 2 .

still the king

Paper Mario

>>5548221
LISA

>>5547448
>artificially hard

Your mom wasn't complaining last night

>>5548229
no

the speedrun is like 4 hours long and has no grinding (even moreso you are always avoiding enemies)

The Lunar games are up there.

I really fucking wish they would get rereleased stateside.

>>5548229
B O T T L E R O C K E T S

>>5546920
What Kings Fields are worth playing?

>>5548650
I legit want more games in the same setting.

The lore was absolutley fantastic and insanely rich. You have thousands of years and tons of fallen kingdoms and empires you could play with. In addition to all the Dragonmaster lore.

And that doesn't even touch everything going on with the Blue Star.

>>5548650
>I really fucking wish they would get rereleased stateside.

Aye, my holy grail is both getting fully localized and retranslated from scratch. As much as I love the old working designs, both really suffered from translation errors and need a quality dub. (Or better yet subtitles during fmv sequences)

Both are absolute gems.

>>5545771

>>5545836

>>5545836
Legit best love story FF has ever done.

>>5545771
/topic

>>5546270
>no Star Ocean
>no Ogre
Get fucked zoomers

>>5547436
What's bad about the gameplay?

>>5547831
More proof Nintendo doesn't know what the fuck they're even doing.

>>5547873
SaGa games tend to have multiple selectable main characters with intertwining plots. Frontier is my favorite because of its varied environments, lack of random battles, combat, mostly non-linear gameplay, sizeable cast of recruitable characters, based soundtrack and aesthetic. A lot of options there to tailor the experience to your playstyle. Build up a team of customizeable robots, monsters, swordsmen, gunslingers, mystics, undead, etc. Pursue whichever magic schools you want to. These games also saw rushed releases; in Frontier especially it's noticeable that a lot of content was either cut or unfinished. It's a great but flawed game with soul.

>>5546570
>if not bait, what makes this great?
A spectacularly written, complex story told over 100 hours with a wealth of meaningful side quests, interesting party members, and pretty much everything you could ask for from a JRPG. Tobiden is kind of a genre-destroying game because it does everything so well that other games of the genre pale in comparison. Side quests in other games stick out in their boring simplicity, stories are laughably small in scale and complexity, etc. Once you play Tobiden every other JRPG feels lacking in some aspect, whereas Tobiden does everything really really well.

The mechanics of RPG maker 2000 is really pushed to its limit over the 100-120~ hour long runtime. Every boss has a unique gimmick, and there are hundreds of bosses. Your party grows to about 50-some units and each has something that makes them special (though some are better than others, of course, and generally you'll stick to your favourite few). The game has a wealth of optional side content and it's very immersive to just wander the world doing whatever quest catches your eye, in comparison to how railroaded JRPGs often are with only a couple minigames here and there to serve as distractions. Despite being made in an engine like RPG maker, Tobiden really succeeds in having interesting gameplay and developing an open world that other JRPGs wish they had.

So yeah, Tobiden is pretty great, easily the best JRPG of all time in my opinion. I think that a lot of people (especially here) will rate the games they played in their childhood higher: FFIX, Xenogears, DQ5, etc; but if looked at fairly with a critical open mind I don't really see any JRPG in surpassing what Tobiden accomplished in quality or scope.

There have been a few reviews that go into it in more detail:

https://hadlerblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/%E6%89%89%E3%81%AE%E4%BC%9D%E8%AA%AC-tobira-no-densetsu/
https://quofvnrw.wordpress.com/2018/05/05/%E6%89%89%E3%81%AE%E4%BC%9D%E8%AA%AC-tobira-no-densetsu-review/

>>5548823
The main problem really is that it's Japanese only so if you don't know Japanese you're kind of fucked. I kind of think it's important for JRPG enthusiasts to learn Japanese anyway, given the number of JRPGs that don't get translated and the number of existing translations that suck ass anyway (take a look at Tim Roger's "Let's Mosey" series at a glimpse into how even a mostly competent translation can still shit over original intentions and characterization). Consider Tobiden the icing on the cake for anyone who learns Japanese for JRPGs.

Also, it's actually a pretty hard game. There's no waypoints or anything and the puzzles, quests, etc can be difficult for a normal player to figure out on their own. There's a pretty expansive wiki to compensate for that though.

>>5545752
I have RPGs that I enjoy more, but I'd say Chrono Trigger is basically a perfectly made JRPG. The only thing it's really missing is Ayla getting a endgame sidequest, otherwise it has about the perfect run time, fun combat, and a good plot twist for the day.

Also perhaps Marle could get a buff, she's kinda useless aside from haste

>>5548705
I don't think Lunar 2 would be the same for me with a new dub. The old voices are engrained in my brain.

>>5549047
True... It's cliche I guess, but everything comes together in a way that makes it the paragon of JRPGs.

I'll throw Skies of Arcadia into the ring though, as it (surprisingly) hasn't been mentioned.


I

>>5548221
SaGa Frontier (couple other sagas too)

>>5545836
It keeps on giving. There's so many ways to look at it. There was a noosphere discussion on /x/ that used Ff8 as an example and now I live it more because if you're familiar with noosphere and genius aka genie, then suddenly ultimeciea makes sense.
On top of a new perspective that whenever squall has private thoughts, that's actually Greiver. Who is based on puzuzu, bearer of storms.

>>5545836
Upvoted

>>5545752
Persona 2 IS and EP.
if I had to really pick one that's intriguing and good enough in every aspect, it's those two.

>>5547436
>>5546712
heh, beat me to it.

>>5548730
nothing desu. it just runs by itself because you pre-select attacks and spells and it's a row or ranking tactically instead of you confirming every damn action of every damn party member which is genuinely a good thing along with debating demons. it's fun and I love the 90s vibe of that whole game. I kinda miss that aesthetic and atmosphere.
but yeah, a lot of retro JRPGs would direly need macros/scripts/gambits. if BG1 and 2 and IWD gets this shit done in the west, why not JRPGs like Secret of Mana?

>>5547702
>implying

it's entirely subjective but yeah, Wagner is hard to be topped.

>>5545780
pls b trowl
IT'S AN ACTION ADVENTURE AND NO RPG.

>>5545836
I still really like replaying it but I guess I like drawing spells and just make every character be a jack-of-all-trades instead of faggot classes all the time. the aesthetical course and contrast of post-modern/futuristic vs. fantasy is just nice to get immersed in.

>>5547831
again, it's not an RPG. fuck what Nintenderp is saying. they have no clue then.

>>5546270
>Atelier
>not in the weeaboo section

>>5547831

It's an action-adventure game. You don't level up or have all that statistical stuff traditionally associated with tabletop games like D&D.

Zelda II is the only RPG in the series so far.

>>5549512
>>5547436
>>5546712
Absolutely based Persona 2 fans in the thread here spreading the good word. Get on that shit >>5545752

>>5546012
what doesn't work as intended?

>>5549586
zelda 2 has like the minimal possible qualities to even conceivably be considered an rpg. i wouldn't consider it one, personally. it's also just action adventure.

>>5545752
Shining the Holy Ark

>>5548221
Star Ocean 2

>>5547436
>unironically posting the awful casualized PSP version instead of the GOAT original

>>5549896
it's science fantasy largely in a medieval setting

>>5548338
The only correct answer in the thread.

>>5547269
Yeah that's pretty much the best one.

Final Fantasy IX, SMT Nocturne or Dragon Quest VIII

>>5550893
Well so far the font is nice, but its already called me Terra when I didn't use the default name, and a few lines seemed like they could have been worded better. Also I had played up until the part where they had freaked out about her magic prior, and I definitely thought this version's didn't portray it well.

I'm sticking to it, but if anyone is thinking of using that one, I'm sure there's probably a finer one.

>>5545752
It isn't retro, so I can't tell you, sorry.

>>5548221
Kingdom Hearts

>>5547269

>>5551173
>not a grindfest
Lol look at this pleb who didn't synthesize Ultima

>>5545752
FF7 or SMT Nocturne

>>5546012
>trans tumblrsonas
>gay flag

>>5545836
This
>>5545752
F

>>5551745
Nocturne's combat, music, and overworld is sex
but the dungeon design is crap. Too many trial and error mazes and derivative environments. Would've been better if the map was part of the HUD instead of something you'd have to constantly pull up like a lost tourist.

Can't believe there are so many FF8 tards in this thread. So anyway here the real best JRPG

>>5545780
Zelda RPG

>>5546270
I always have fun with these.

>>5548221
most JRPGs after the NES era are only grindy if you're bad at them

>>5552103
You'd think a fan of Chrono Cross could empathize with the appreciation of a divisive entry in a popular JRPG franchise.

>>5552225
>Dragon Force
That gave me a good chuckle

>>5552301
>>5552103
>very hyped follow-ups to most popular GOAT JRPG contenders
>underdeveloped character arcs for party members not named Serge/Kid or Squall/Rinoa
>top-tier soundtracks
>convoluted time-space travel plots
>ditched traditional magic systems in favor of experimental shit
>mixed medieval and modern settings
I could go on but I'm just bullshitting from work off the top of my head.

>>5552225
>tactics oh girl
why did i kek

>>5551184
>We will in just a minute!!! Woah your horny

>>5546270
>Ys not in weeb shit

>>5549898
What's more casual about it?

>>5547364
The most interesting/useful info of all this thread.

>>5551745
this
FF7 for the nostlagia, but the game is way too broken and easy
Nocturne is best jrpg ever made, godlike combat, level design and atmosphere

>>5553061
Not that guy, but I hear it's easier. I played it on Hard and only had trouble with Hitler at the end since he would always do some 30 hit move that would kill a party member and then subsequently heal which made fights last forever and never be in my favour.

>>5548221
metal gear solid

>>5548221
>that isn't Isn't medieval fantasy
>that isn't Has combat that isn't selecting

My favorite RPG is link's awakening
Don't even @ me with Zelda isn't an RPG, I'm tired of autistic fags

>>5554613
ZELDA is not an RPG

>>5547702
listen to the robocop theme. it reminds me of revamped wagner. and even gustav mahler
https://youtu.be/O_AkU8wJ1ZA