/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5544651
Because of the incomplete adventures of the karate kid that never eats and hates carrots on 2 volumes and 99 discs.

When people look back at the Dreamcast, they think of what it could've been instead of what it already was.

If more = better we wouldn't be Sega fans in the first place

Because Dreamcast had better games.

>>5545021
>>5545025
The Saturn had better games.

>>5545054
No way, Dreamcast stomped it in games. Those Japan only games do not count if most of us outside Japan never played them since they were never ported.

Very easy to pirate.

>>5544651
Personally loved the actual hardware design, the quality of the games in its smaller library, and how ahead of the competition it was. Shame that's not all it takes to be successful.

>>5544651
I hate this console more than any other and I love Sega. My parents were kind of poor so they had to get it from some place where it was $349 in payments for 12 months. And for some reason at launch I wanted Chef's Love Shack and that was the worst game I ever played, my parents managed to return it but never bough me another game again.

I rented a few games and liked it like Jet Grind Radio, and had Dreamcast Magazine where the promised they were not going to abandon the console and like a few months later they abandoned it and stopped renting games at the stores.

>>5545054
Only thing I like Saturn more than Dreamcast for is platformers.

Shmups, fighters, quirky games that don't fit into a genre, sports games, adventure games, jarpigs, sims, FPS, all better on dat DC.

>>5544651
>Why is this console so beloved?
Its not. It is the only 6th generation system that /vr/ allows the discussion of. IF other 6th generation was "allowed" to be mentioned, no one would ever talk about the Dreamcast, because it was a commercial flop, and every exclusive was ported to other systems.

Its not a bad system on its own, but compared to its peers, it was the tombstone that marks the plateau Sega and its fans are buried on.

>>5545184
The sticky that is over 5 years old clearly states that the GameCube and PS2 are not retro.

>>5545198
GBA is the last retro handheld. It has old-fashioned ROM cartridges addressed directly, instead of SD cards copied to RAM.

Great arcade experience at home without being Neo Geo

>>5545223
The arcade experience is shit. People only tolerated it because that's all there was.

>>5545228
Yea riiight

>>5545198
>The sticky that is over 5 years old
Do you believe everything you read on the internet, or only 4chan? The 6th gen is "retro". Of the 3 major systems of the 6th generation, the DC was the worst of the bunch, and that is the ONLY reason why we can discuss it because it is a commercial failure and the last attempt by sega to be king again.

>>5545223
>Great arcade experience at home without being Neo Geo
This was the only reason to own a DC, and arcades were dying when it was released. What is even more bizzarre is that the Neo Geo was created in the early 90s and official support ended totally in 2007. The Neo Geo and the DC had a lot in common for their target market, but Sega had too much invested in the dying market of arcades. My opinion is that the Neo Geo is still superior to the DC in many ways. Sega did make some great sports games, but loss of the license to EA or whoever really ruined it. I didn't get into sports, but reading the past reviews I get the idea that Sega made some of the best sports games ever.

>>5545238
>Yea riiight
The statement made was 100% correct.

>>5545228
>The arcade experience is shit. People only tolerated it because that's all there was.
Zoomer opinion discarded.

>>5544651
It's a great console and burning NES games to play on it was fun. Also, I found pic related stashed away, pic feels speak for themselves.

>>5545210
>240x160 widescreen resolution
>retro
I don't think so, lad.

>>5545107
Aw this makes me sad, hopefully your parents understand even though they did their best to make you happy

>>5544651
It had the best Berserk game

>>5545269
NES is wider and taller.

>>5545279
NES is 4:3, not widescreen.

>>5545289
>256 x 240

It's wider and taller than GBA

>>5545107
The dreamcast was never $349, it launched at $199 you lying faggot.

>>5545290
Do you not know the difference between standard and widescreen aspect ratios?

>>5545335
GBA isn't wider, just shorter. And also narrower.

>>5545228
Sega's arcade games at the time fucking ran on nearly identical hardware to the dreamcast specifically so games could be accurately ported. Hence why the Dreamcast version has the most accurate port of MvC2 by a longshot.

>>5545341
I was never interested in that kind of shallow gameplay.

>>5544651
The Saturn didn't provide an arcade perfect experience.

>>5545350
zoomer

>>5545358
I'm 30. Deep and comfy home stuff was always more appealing.

muh jrpgs are deeper

>>5545363
so you have shit taste and a casual.
ok.

>>5545364
Or just a home platformer, or western rpg. old jarpigs are too slow. I like the newer ones.

>>5545372
>western rpg
>platformers
shit genres

>>5545379
careful, jancel deleted the shmup thread

>>5545184
>every exclusive was ported to other systems
I wish. Project Justice still hasn't seen a port outside of the dreamcast.

>>5544651
Because it had god tier fightan games and arcade ports in general.
Because it had top tier aesthetics and was different than your standard black or grey brick.
Because it was a pioneer in online gaming.
Because despite being the weakest overall of the 4 6th gen consoles, it had the overall best presentation of whatever ports came its way thanks to supporting VGA when everyone was still using muddy as fuck composite.

You can have all the differing opinions in the world, but for me, the first point alone makes the Dreamcast one of my favorite consoles of all time.

>>5545069
Even including the Japanese exclusives, the only way a person would say a thing like "the saturn had better games than the dreamcast" is if they're a huge weebophile and/or assume that rarer and more valuable automatically equates to "better". Saturn doesn't even have a Sonic game for Christ's sake

>>5545184
Most Dreamcast ports where usually butchered and where inferior to the Dreamcast version.

>>5545210
I would say this is probably the last and only exception hiroyuki should make. But it only gets by on the slimmest of standard by a hair. Considering it is only 32-bit 2D while having specs behind the 5th gen, I think deems the GBA to be soft retro. But I doubt /vr/ would welcome it if it becomes accepted as a retro handheld.

>>5544651
>Even the Saturn has more games.
No way in hell. There's only PDS, GH and RS that's worth getting a Saturn for.

>>5547135
>opinion presented as fact

>>5547257
We should also allow DS and PSP since those are less powerful than the Dreamcast too.

>>5544651
I like it because it's basically an affordable arcade machine. Not quite Neo Geo-like in terms of accuracy, but damn well good enough for me.

>>5547257
Fuck hiro, this is our board. If you want for ex. gba to be allowed on the board ya just gotta talk about it til it sticks

>>5545008
/thread. This is the answer you're looking for

>>5547257
It triggers me to no end that GBA (a pocket SNES) isn't allowed here but DC (a gimp PS2) is a-ok

>>5544651
Sold better than the Saturn in the US and Europe, hence there are more English-speaking people to be nostalgic over it.

>>5547458
Technically the Dreamcast still isn't allowed here.

http://4chan.org/rules#vr

>>5547458
Technically the Dreamcast still isn't allowed here.

http://4chan.org/rules#vr

>>5544651
soul

>>5545363
t. Jarpigu

>>5547502
>trusting Kikepedia
Dreamcast is gen 5.5, closer to gen 5 than gen 6. Most of its multi-plats were shared with the PSX/N64 than sixth gen systems.

>>5544651
In 1999 Soul Calibur was a big leap from Tekken 3, as well as being fresh thematically. Sonic Adventure was fun, and it was awesome to finally be able to play Capcom arcade games in their perfect form without having to own a Saturn and import.

A subscription to Official Dreamcast magazine was a mere $20 and each issue came with a demo disc with lots of cool and interesting games on it.

By far the Dreamcast felt the most Japanese of any system released in the USA. But in a good, friendly way. A comfy way. Shenmue being the definitive example.
Those who bought a Dreamcast in 1999 felt like they were one of the cool kids. The ones getting to see and do everything that wouldn't come for another year or longer on the PlayStation 2.

Later, there was a massive homebrewing scene for it, and the ability to play emulated games without a mod chip was an incredible boon, as well of course as the ability to just pirate DC games, including games never released in the USA like KOF 2002.

Some years down the road used Dreamcasts could be found in pawn shops and yard sales for as little as $20. This was a crazy good deal for teens and people with not much money, because it gave you access to a library of great current generation games.

Some games like Capcom vs SNK 1 felt, I don't know... Dreamcast-y. Games on the Naomi/DC just have this turn of the millennium feel that wasn't present before that and never really took off on the PS2 and Xbox.

>>5547519
>Dreamcast is gen 5.5
Are you fucking retarded, or just pretending to be one on 4chan? Dreamcast is most certainly a 6th generation console, and competed with the Gamecube, PS2 & the Xbox....and failed miserably. There is no comparing the technology present in it to any 5th generation systems. It may have been one of the first released consoles of the generation, but that is because of the previous shitty business decisions that Sega had made, and they absolutely needed returns on investment.

>>5547502
Yes it is

I saw that in the front page of this board

>With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>5547567
rules override stickies, bud

>>5547545
>Dreamcast is most certainly a 6th generation console
No it isn't.

>and competed with the Gamecube, PS2 & the Xbox....and failed miserably.
Lmao, Dreamcast was discontinued before Cube and Xbox were even out. Learn your vidya history.

>There is no comparing the technology present in it to any 5th generation systems. It may have been one of the first released consoles of the generation, but that is because of the previous shitty business decisions that Sega had made, and they absolutely needed returns on investment.
And? N64 was leaps and bounds ahead of the PSX and Saturn hardware-wise. Should it be considered its own generation too? Idiot.

Fact of the matter is, Sega had THREE systems during fifth gen: the 32X (died early), the Saturn (died halfway through it), and Dreamcast (died right as sixth gen was just picking up steam).

>dreamcast isn't sixth gen
holy fuck /vr/ is retarded

>>5547578
>No it isn't.
480p
Internet access
Successor to the 5th generation Saturn.

Yep, it is 6th generation just like the PS2, Xbox and Gamecube. You can live in your bubble all you want and make all sorts of bold claims, but your "no u" response provided no form of facts to back up your claim. The date of production is irrelevant, and someone had to release the "first" 6th gen console, and no one was waiting for y2k. Perhaps if they waited 2-3 years prior to release they may have had a chance, but if they did that fuckwits on /vr/ wouldn't have a 6th gen console to masturbate about.

>>5547582
>holy fuck /vr/ is retarded
Many are. There are a few good ones, but overall the influx of /v/ posters really ruined this site. DC is 100% a 6th gen console. It just failed totally before its competition even got started.

>>5547578
>Dreamcast was discontinued before Cube and Xbox were even out
Because it was a failure you clinically retarded faggot hipster. Do you think it's normal for a console to have a market life of 2 years?

>>5547587
>480p
Sega Saturn had some 480p games. Is it suddenly 6th gen now too?

>Internet access
Saturn could do this. Hell, the fucking Famicom even had its own modem.

>Successor to the 5th generation Saturn.
Nope. It was an inter-gen replacement for the Saturn, due to its failure outside Japan.

Once again, you've provided no solid arguments to support Dreamcast being a sixth gen system.

>>5547592
The point is, he's wrong about the Dreamcast competing with the Xbox and Gamecube, because it was already dead by that point.

>>5547607
>I guess the jaguar wasn't 4th gen cause it failed too hard to compete with SNES/Genesis
This is your argument

The Dreamcast is the Limp Bizkit of gaming, not only did Limp Bizkit promote but look at it's lifespan 1999-2001 basically the same era of Limp Bizkit's mainstream success

>>5547607
>Is it suddenly 6th gen now too?
Perhaps it is a 5.278th generation.

>>5547616
most jag games can pass as snes/gen games so it might as well be 4th gen

Dreamcast is Sega's true 5th gen system. Saturn didn't even really exist outside Japan. Their "lost" system if you will.

>>5545265
>literally ALL of those games are some retarded sports-shit. Even the radio one is about rolling around
what the fuck
If i would see this as a kid i would never want Sega Dreamcast

>>5546549
neither do any nintendo consoles that are allowed to be discussed here what's your fucking point

>>5547570
Other way around.

>>5547640
I will shit in your fucking trash can

>>5547570
Dreamcast was released in 1999.

>>5547403
Yeah but the GBA is exclusively 2D.

>>5547257
>>5547403
>>5547843
>>5547425
>>5547458
2000 is a big, round number.

>>5547665
That happened to someone I knew as a teenager.
Someone literally broke into his home and dumped ass in his trash can.

>>5547512
I mostly played western stuff on my 386.

>>5547860
Worse. Canm you honestly even do a dragon punch?

>>5547973
I mostly played Mortal Kombat. The 386 didn't have Mortal Kombat for my mom to delete so she deleted Aladdin

>>5544651

Because it was the first console where 3D polygon games didn't look like utter garbage.

>>5544651
What kid of crack were they smoking when they designed that controller? Why would anyone think that the cord connecting to the bottom is somehow better than the cord connecting to the top?

>>5548073
One of the first things I did was mod the cord to go out of the top of the main controller. It was an absolutely retarded idea and the cord got in the way.

That said: still a better controller than the N64 got. It has an analog stick that doesn't get all slack within months. Also, VMUs were a fun gimmick.

>>5548084
I agree that it's a better controller than the N64's, it just seems like they somehow regressed in almost every way from the Saturn 3D pad.

>>5544651
>Why is this console so beloved?
Amazing arcade games

>>5548073
It's to allow a place for the VMU to come out. It's really not a big deal and literally no one I ever knew at the time who owned one complained about it. It's a zoomer thing.
>>5548084
smells like LARP, but maybe I can believe it because a lot of people liked to fuck around with their controllers and "mod" them back then. I swapped buttons and d-pads around in controllers to make frankenpads I convinced myself were superior. I also glued the program button on my DC Mad Catz controller into place so I wouldn't accidentally press it.

>>5548091
They did regress.
>worse analog stick
>much worse d-pad
>less face buttons

>>5547843
>exclusively 2D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNuS14pIOz0

>>5548073
>>5548123
DC controller has a little slit on the bottom you could push the cable in.

>>5548265
It doesn't stay in that very well and I was always paranoid of it fraying the cable from bending for long periods of time.

>>5547535
This. it was accessible for people to buy.

I never even saw a dreamcast being sold in my area, until it was being sold in a bundle of a console, 2 controllers, + a vmu for like 18.95. My friend set it up so it would play burned discs and I just played the whole library that way.
Almost as good as the whole atari system +40 games and controllers I got for 3$ from old grandparents selling their college-age kid's shit.

>>5548265
>has a little slit on the bottom you could push the cable in

>>5545273
Indeed. Also the best version of Soul Calibur, Skies of Arcadia, SSF2T, Test Drive Le Mans and I'm sure several others. Also had stuff like Shenmue and Tech Romancer.

Small catalgoue, but packed with quality.