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5534859 No.5534859 [Reply] [Original]

Is this really the best 2D controller available?

>> No.5534864

That controller is clearly in 3 dimensions, OP.

>> No.5534895

>>5534864
I swear to god

>> No.5534920

It's either that or SNES.

>> No.5534940

>>5534920
How is it compared to the SNES one? Aside from the obvious differences, of course.

>> No.5534942
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>>5534859
No.

>> No.5534947

>>5534940
Saturn has 2 more face buttons (although no select button, doesn't matter much), circular style d-pad, like genesis model 2 but better, and clicky shoulder buttons.
SNES has traditional cross d-pad, like NES but better, softer shoulder buttons (non clicky).
I guess the shoulder button is a matter of preference, I prefer the SNES ones. But the dpads are both good for different reasons. For example I find Saturn better for fighting games or shooters, and SNES better for platformers or puzzle games.

>> No.5534953

>>5534947
Might sound weird, but what mostly concerns me is face buttons. The SNES makes it so it's pretty easy for me to handle platformers. I don't have to mash the buttons hard for them to do their function so I can quickly tap em. Feels like modern controllers miss the mark.

>> No.5534962

>>5534953
Yeah, it's definitely better for platformers, the fingers roll more smoothly and you can easily have access to 2 buttons at the same time in your thumb, feeling very comfortable. Saturn's face buttons are not as nice to your fingers, especially the XYZ ones.
>>5534942
Those are amazing face buttons. I wish it also had a d-pad apart from the mini stick. Maybe an interchangeable part. Anyway Neo Geo doesn't have many platformers, but I'd like to play puzzle games with a cross dpad.

>> No.5534968

>>5534942
I could never adapt to it. I understand why it would be better for certain games (and definitely more accurate) but the stick just feels... weird. Sort of hollow, as well. Maybe it's the PS1/2 neogeo pad, which is the one I used. Buttons are good though.

>> No.5534980

>>5534859
Original rounded Saturn controller is better

>> No.5534987
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5534987

>>5534980
...what?

>> No.5534991

>>5534859
yes

>> No.5534993
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>>5534962
>>5534968
Then let me suggest this one. Cheap and readily available online.

>> No.5535009
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5535009

Not trying to derail this thread, because this is not the best 2D pad. But I still love it. Maybe it’s because it’s the last in a long line of two button Hudson Joycards, so they had all the kinks worked out of the design. Like how the last buggywhip was probably the best one.

>> No.5535014

>>5534993
I was tempted to grab this, but it's not that cheap over here. It's pretty close to the price of an xbox one controller. If the d-pad and buttons were like the ones on SNES I wouldn't hesitate though.

>> No.5535030
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>>5534859
Nope, this is

>> No.5535053

snes controller is better for platformers, and saturn controller is better for shooters and everything else

>> No.5535081
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>>5535030
I’m not OP, but I think it was implied it has to be a pad.

>> No.5535167

>>5534859

not anymore.

>>5534942

never was

>> No.5535180
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>>5535167
Okay smart guy. So the best 2D control pad is...?

>> No.5535201

>>5534993
I find the dpad on the saturn controller to be much better. The face buttons on the hori are better if you play games that requires multiple inputs at the same time though.

>> No.5535382
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>>5535180
Not that anon but it's clearly this

>> No.5535454

>>5534859
Not if you have big hands

>> No.5535502

>>5534859
Imo Saturn > SNES > PS1 = PS4

>> No.5535684
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5535684

>>5534864
>>5534895

>> No.5535694

>>5534993
this looks pretty solid, but it's annoying needing multiple controllers since this doesn't have dual analog sticks
i've wanted to get one of these or a saturn pad, but the DS4 covers all options already..

>> No.5535704

Wii Classic/Pro

>> No.5535757

>>5534920
these are the only choices

>> No.5535789

>>5534993
>cheap
not exactly

>> No.5535837

>>5535789
I had to RMA my hdd for all my romz, is that worth the price of admission for Saturn and below only?

>> No.5535840
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>>5535789
There's also this motherfucker, though. I don't know shit about controllers. I just know I hate using my 360 controller for most games and the PS4 controller I got on clearance is trash.

>> No.5535902

>>5535704
I have a classic controller and it's nearly as good as SNES but not quite. The d-pad feels pretty similar but it's a bit more finicky with diagonals. The buttons are too clicky, not mushy like the SNES. I tried modding that thing with SNES rubber pads, which do fit (by cutting them up a lil bit to be honest) but it just ain't the same. However I will say, I don't actually like the L and R buttons on the SNES controller and wouldn't mind having the ones on the classic controller (that everyone hates because they are analog). Or microswitches. I like clicky L and R buttons and mushy face buttons.

I wanted something like the 8bitdo SN30 Pro but I heard it has two flaws: It breaks by just looking at it and it has to be modded for diagonals to work. It's a shame. I just want a freaking SNES controller with enough buttons for any modern game that doesn't require analog triggers.

>> No.5535935
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5535935

>>5534987
That anon's wrong. The Saturn Multi Controller came out with NiGHTS in 1996.

>> No.5535940
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5535940

>>5535935
He means pic related

>> No.5535951

>>5535840
>360 controller
As great as it is for 3D games, its D-pad absolutely sucks so I don't like it for emulation. Good thing it's cheap as dirt right now.
Also, it wasn't my plan to buy a saturn controller originally but the ones in your pic look too good to leave'em hanging. God I wish it were easier to order them in Europe.

>> No.5535970
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5535970

DO YOU NEED TO PLAY FIGHTING GAMES BUT DON'T WANT TO USE A STICK?

Then these:
>>5534859
>>5535840
Or the one in my pic (don't listen to /vr/ niggas bitching about 8bitdo, they just want to be contrarians)

DO YOU STRICTLY NEED TO PLAY PLATFORMERS AND/OR MISC RETRO GAMES, SHIT LIKE METAL SLUG ETC?

Then these (and mine) are still ok:
>>5534859
>>5535840
But you can also use these:
>>5534942
>>5534993
>>5535935
>>5535940

>> No.5535976
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5535976

>>5535970
And before anyone bitches about this, i know SOME people like
>>5534942
this for fighting games too, but that's a more complicated discussion.
SOME people swear that it's good for fighting games, while other people prefer how the Sega Saturn did things.
Generally speaking the majority consensus is that while you CAN use a neo geo approach, the sega saturn d-pad works better for fighting games overall.
You do you, even if you go the neo geo route it's not a bad pick, it's just slightly different.

>> No.5536012

>>5535789
If you think $35 expensive you need a new hobby.

>> No.5536272

>>5536012
Nah, my hardware and game collection is comfortably big but I agree with that anon, $35 is more of a middling price between $15-20 type stuff like Logitech F310 which I would call cheap and overpriced $50+ first-party controllers for modern systems.

>> No.5536289
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5536289

>>5535902
You might consider this thing if you have manlet hands

>> No.5536406

>>5535970
I actually got the Retrobit Sega Saturn USB controller for free, it was this one: https://www.amazon.com/Retro-Bit-Official-Saturn-Controller-RetroPie-Raspberry/dp/B07NY43VCR/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ACC2TYV8TYOQ&keywords=retrobit+sega+saturn+controller&qid=1556551307&s=gateway&sprefix=retrobit%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-1

It's arriving Wednesday, so we will see how it works. Can't argue with free, but I'm hoping it's decent. The youtube faggot brigade all seem to adore them, but that doesn't mean shit.

>> No.5536587

>>5535970
>don't listen to /vr/ niggas bitching about 8bitdo, they just want to be contrarians
Some people have legit complaints about the D-pads on the NES/SNES style controllers
If they can't tell that the M30 is better and doesn't have those problems, they're idiots

>> No.5536828

>>5536289
I considered that, but I heard it's shit and only the wireless version is worth it, which isn't available in my country.

>> No.5536842
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>> No.5536847

>>5536012
If it was the equivalent to 35 bucks here I would grab it, but it's not. >>5536272 is also right, you're overspending if you have to spend more than 70 bucks on controllers to enjoy most games that don't require special accessories to be more competitive, like racing wheels or fighting sticks.

>> No.5536870

>>5536587
I don't get the whole thing with d-pads fucking up. I have owned plenty of controllers, and I can tell that they rarely get it right, where you will both easily be able to hit diagonals and not hit them unintentionally. I don't understand either why it's so difficult, if they came up with a definitive fix for the d-pad, to release a revision that doesn't require doing the mod or buying that kit.

>> No.5536879

Yes

>> No.5536991

>>5536870
It obviously depends on the game. Some games don't tolerate diagonals at all. 8Bitdo is getting a lot of heat because it makes the nicest third-party Switch controllers, but if you use them to play Tetris, you will fucking die.
>I don't understand either why it's so difficult, if they came up with a definitive fix for the d-pad, to release a revision that doesn't require doing the mod or buying that kit.
Because they're making millions of the things and 99% of their customers don't notice the issue.

>> No.5537043

>>5535935
Is this thing really that comfortable? The placement of the stick and dpad in relation to the buttons makes it seem like it'd be annoying.

>> No.5537131

>>5536870
It's almost as if Nintendo and Sega spend/spent millions of dollars and man-hours in R&D trying to get things right, creating, evaluating, and fine-tuning a vast multitude of prototype designs while an accessories company simply can't do that.

>> No.5537153

>>5534859
Yes

>> No.5537162

>>5535970
Ordered an m30, can't wait to test out some emulators and fighting games on my switch with it.

>> No.5537196

>>5535940
I have both model 1 and 2. 1 is better at everything but the dpad, but even that is good.

>> No.5537492

>>5537196
>model 1 and 2
I know others do it too so this isn't blaming just you for it, but this is a misleading way to describe them in the present day, since the "model 2" was the original controller that came first and was packed with the Japanese Saturn.

>> No.5537691

>>5537043
i've only used it for nights but it works really well for it, especially since you dont need d-pad

>> No.5537808

Is pressing A+X really so hard on Saturn pads? I've been wanting to get one but if I can't play "traditional" platformers on it...

>> No.5537819

>>5537043
I just picked one up.
It's okay - the thumb dome is slippery and the buttons feel slightly out of place. It basically feels like the prototype Dreamcast controller it looks like.

>> No.5537829
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>>5534859
I literally just got this today. And I don't know if it's because you guys are much older and have nostalgia for this or what.

But as someone who's first time using this pad. I absolutely don't know why people think it's the best dpad. It's not clicky or tactile at all. It feels like it pivots in the center, playing platformers with this or even shmups is completely wrong.

I'm going to get a snes controller or a neogeo pad next because right now I'm trying to find the best dpad for 2d/platformer games.

TL;DR: avoid.

>> No.5537840

>>5534942
looks like a knockoff gravis gamepad (which itself already looks like a bargain bin chink knockoff)

>> No.5537841

>>5534859
I love it for fighting games and Genesis/Saturn games, but for platformers and stuff I usually prefer an SNES/Playstation controller. Felt wrong playing Donkey Kong Country with a Saturn pad.

>> No.5537847

>>5534859
In my opinion it's perfect, although the model i had that shoulder buttons that press in a different direction than those and were as a result a pain to use

>> No.5537853

>>5534942
>plastic rubs off
>gums up microswitches
shit design

>> No.5537870

>>5537841
What snes pad do you have? Original? I was planning on getting the ibuffalo one.

>> No.5537891

>>5534859
lmao, no.

>> No.5537894

>>5534953
There isn't a single modern controller that doesn't have a lower press sensitivity than a SNES controller. I can't imagine what weird shit you have done to your controllers to attempt to pass off what you said.

>> No.5537939

>>5537829
Not that many people on this board actually grew up with the saturn

>> No.5537981

>>5535970
Nice write up anon. Thanks.

>> No.5537995

>>5537870
For emulators I'm using the iBuffalo one now. I like it a lot, though I haven't had a chance to use it much yet.

>> No.5537997

>>5537995
>I like it alot but I don't use it much

Doesn't inspire alot of confidence in the product.

>> No.5538009

>>5536406
How on Earth did you get one for free?

>> No.5538012

>>5538009
Probably is going to use it as a review copy. I never trust those types of reviews.

>> No.5538018

>>5538009
>>5538012
My jackass college buddy is a youtuber and got one of each. He wouldn't give me the fancy one with the colored buttons, but that worked out for me because I think it looks pretty gay.

>> No.5538023

>>5537829
>it pivots in the center
>it doesn't have blue switches
fukken sold

>> No.5538029

>>5538023
Blue switches?

>> No.5538037

>>5535951
I don't know if I'd say dirt cheap. More expensive than what I paid a few years ago.

>> No.5538042

>>5538029
>tactile
>clicky
https://www.pcworld.com/article/242037/mechanical-keyboard-faq-pick-the-right-switch.html
>With a little practice, you can use this feedback to type faster while using less effort because you can teach yourself to stop pressing when you hear the click and feel the bump instead of pushing the key all the way down (called “bottoming out”). This gives the keys a lighter overall feel, which is great for writing, data entry, and other typing-intensive tasks. The clicking sound that the MX Blue switch makes is rather loud compared to the sound of other switches, however, which can be distracting to coworkers and family members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL--RrbjrF0&t=52s

>> No.5538057

>>5538042
Tactile is not the same as clicky though. My brownswitches are tactile, have a small little bumpy feel but are not clicky like blues.

>> No.5538061

>>5538057
I know you mean well, but the original post I replied to was bitching that the d-pad is not tactile or clicky. Blue switches are tactile and clicky.

>> No.5538065

>>5538061
I am the original poster. I guess I should've been clear. Clicky like the original nds dpad. It's not using a micro switch iirc

>> No.5538086

>>5538065
Then you shouldn't have said tactile since tactile and clicky are two separate things.
https://youtu.be/Wpfs8RSk1gA?t=612
Clicky but not tactile.

>> No.5538095

>>5538065
It's not clicky but imo the selling point of a sega d-pad is how you can comfortably plant your thumb in the middle and still get precise inputs. Modern d-pads for some reason want you to move your entire thumb around.

>> No.5538180

>>5537939
I never had one, but I got my Genesis around when the fifth generation came out.
I think I've only heard about one family getting one, my ex girlfriend's mom apparently got one when they first came out from her husband.
They were a pretty cool family though.

>> No.5538197
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5538197

What the hell was the mode button intended for on the Sega Genesis controllers for?
I suppose they didn't move those onto the Saturn controllers either--I actually wasn't aware the Saturn controllers had shoulder buttons, and I really enjoyed those Genesis 6 buttons.

>> No.5538229

>>5538197
It's for fixing games that only support 3 button controllers

>> No.5538296

>>5538197
During gameplay, it was just another button, and some games mapped it to stuff, I guess
If you held it while turning the console on, it put the controller in a special mode that simulated a 3-button controller
https://segaretro.org/Six_Button_Control_Pad_(Mega_Drive)#Technical_information

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5538319

Has anyone even thought that maybe, just maybe, everyone has completely mixed opinions on controllers because people are born with hand in different varieties?

>> No.5538335

>>5537997
I agree, but it does seem like a solid controller. I've just been too overloaded with work to play more than a few hours with it. Not much spare time for anything but occasional 4chan posting.

>> No.5538354

>>5536842
Was thinking of getting this one. I prefer the Saturn style dpad, but otherwise it looks great.

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> >5537829
It's more of a joystick than a proper dpad. Good for fighting games and other arcade ports, but subpar for everything else.

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>>5538335
Forgot my image, I meant this version.

>> No.5538443

>>5538442
>>5538354

>> No.5538472

>>5537492
I know, but did the "model 1" come out in Japan at all? If not, it's self evident which one is which since we're talking about the west.

>> No.5538494

>>5538472
Regarding Japanese Saturn, model 1 and model 2 refer to the system itself, oval button vs. round button. There were also different console colors that only existed as model 1s or model 2s with controller colors to match. So yeah, there's still a chance for confusion.

I just retroactively call the SoA model 1 controller "the Duke" in honor of Microsoft's exact same mistake with the original Xbox that they ended up solving in the exact same way.

>> No.5538497

>>5538319
>maybe, just maybe
Take it back to twitter.

>> No.5538506

>>5536289
I have one of these, and I have some long fucking fingers, for $25 bucks I'm pretty happy with it, face buttons feel good, shoulder buttons are a little cramped as L1/R1 and L2/R2 at stacked vertically, but you get used to it. Dpad has been serving me well too. If you can get it cheap it's pretty good.

>> No.5538528

>>5537808
I have a pretty similar pad and yeah, it does get irritating. I remap to B and Y and even then it's not the best option. SNES is definitely better for platformers, no contest.

>> No.5538554

>>5537894
You can fully press a brand new xbone controller button without making contact. You can do so with multiple controllers. I use my thumb with two buttons for platformers, like everyone should. The button lower on the thumb is prone to miss inputs if you don't press it hard enough on a few gamepads. The only gamepads where I don't have this issue are the SNES and DS3 controllers. I even have a Dual Shock 1 and it has this problem.

>> No.5538558

>>5538319
You can find gamepads that are perfectly comfortable and utterly unresponsive. That's not the best argument around. People aren't just born with thumbs that don't somehow feel the center of a dual shock d-pad either.

>> No.5538629
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>>5536587
>>5536870
>>5536991
>>5537131
Look, if you want me to get into it, basically the problem with 8bitdo controllers that AREN'T M30 (M30 doesn't have this issue at all, mind you), is that when you rapidly switch from up to down, or left and right, you'll accidentally dish out inputs of other directions.
Ironically enough:
>Nintendo and Sega spend/spent millions of dollars and man-hours in R&D trying to get things right
This shit is happening EXACTLY because 8bitdo was following the Switch Pro controller to Nintendo's specifications when making their SN30 Pro etc.

You see, Nintendo fucked this up themselves in the first place.
Turns out in the Switch Pro d-pad design they messed up the spot where the rubber "platform" connects, and essentially as you're pushing a direction, and then swapping to another direction, there's a high chance you'll accidentally activate the connection to an unwanted connection as you're switching.
So 8bitdo copied this design for a lot of their controllers (because one of their big selling points is that most of their shit is natively compatible with the Switch, so they were probably modifying a Pro base layout or something), and thus the problem got "ported over".
This problem CAN be fixed with tape or glueing a small piece of plastic partially covering the connections in the middle, but as you can imagine it's not something we should do to make official Nintendo hardware work propely, it's hardly an acceptable level of quality for a finished product released by them.

>> No.5538631

>>5537829
>But as someone who's first time using this pad. I absolutely don't know why people think it's the best dpad.
Fighting games, nigga.
All that shit that you described is FUNDAMENTAL to play fighting games propely.
I do agree that it's not necessarily the best for platformers, but i personally like it and think it can be totally used for platformers too just fine, it's just a matter of getting used to it.

>> No.5538638

>>5538629
Yeah, I don't know what went on with Nintendo on that Switch Pro controller. How the fuck does a company that has pretty much nailed that shit back in the 90s fuck up so hard is beyond me.

However, I think if you're going to design essentially a SNES controller, it'd be nice to copy everything from it rather than parts from something that's fucked up. Nintendo is to blame but 8bitdo is, too. They design controllers, they should know what the fuck is going on.

>> No.5538641

>>5538631
Thing is, fighting games already have fighting sticks that deal with shit better. Platformers don't have their own separate thing. I'd rather spend money on a decent fightstick than a controller that was good with fighting games, if I was concerned enough about it.

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>>5538641
>Thing is, fighting games already have fighting sticks that deal with shit better.
Sure, but if i'm visiting a friend or if i'm having someone over i don't necessarily want to whip out huge ass sticks.
Maybe they're not used to sticks and would prefer a good controller, or i don't feel like having a stick take up space on my legs etc.

I just personally like the praticality of having a tiny ass controller that works propely with fighting games, and in addition to that also works well with platformers/indies.
Like i said, it's not like this approach is bad for those games, it's just different from a more traditional "cross" design.
I personally prefer this approach to the cross one, once i got used to it, but i can see why some people would stick to the other type.

>> No.5538771

>>5538651
I will admit some round d-pads are quite accurate and not bad with platformers where you would need to do left-right-left-right without ever hitting anything else on a quick motion, for instance. Honestly that's not the hardest thing to get used to, it's the buttons. It's that the 6 face buttons are tilted in a way where it's just less convenient for platformers. Controllers with 4 face buttons follow a similar design to the gamepad: 1 up, 1 down, 1 left and 1 right. The thumb can rest easy on 2 buttons at the same time in that position, specially for left/down. They have all the same shape and size as well. The way the saturn controller would be more comfortable to use is to use B/Y/C/Z as face buttons for those games, and it's not the same. It's not even convenient since most controllers who follow this design that are more modern translate A/B/X/Y to the face buttons instead.

I mean, don't get me wrong, it ain't a huge deal. It would have been better if the button layout on the controller was a bit more... diagonal I guess?

>> No.5538779

>>5534859
What fucking game requires you to use every button and trigger on that controller? That's more then the fucking Dreamcast's controller.

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5538790

>>5538771
You're right on the button placement, that's why i prefer the M30 variation here specifically
>>5535970
Their design is much smaller, more compact, and the buttons are easier to reach, it's definitely slightly closer in terms of reach to other controllers with a more traditional face buttons layout.

I know what you're talking about with the thumb resting on 2 buttons, i like resting mine on A/X, so on the M30 i rest it on B/Y and it feels just as comfy.

>> No.5538801

>>5538790
I'm wondering, do the 8bitdo 2.4g variants get recognized as a directinput controller with the receiver? Not that I don't trust bluetooth, but I heard there's quite a difference input lag wise between both. A bummer the controller doesn't come with a receiver, but I guess it's appropriately priced.

>> No.5538804

>>5538801
>8bitdo 2.4g variants get recognized as a directinput controller with the receiver?
No idea, could be.
>I heard there's quite a difference input lag wise between both
Oh it's just that the 2.4g got patched and we're still waiting for the other one to be patched too.
Currently the M30 has slightly more input lag than a Switch Pro but that's gonna get patched just like any other 8bitdo controller before it.
They all share this problem initially and then after X months it's always patched with a software update.

>> No.5539350

>>5538801
>>5538804
Note that the input lag is a wireless problem
Attach a USB cable and you should be all set

>> No.5540827

>>5534859
Its really not the golden pad people make it out to be.

>> No.5540838

>>5538790
Would be the perfect controller if the back triggers were analog. Wouldn't mind a couple more face buttons, either.

>> No.5540901

>>5540827
It was the best pad of the 90s and is still top-tier in current year. If there's a pantheon of console controllers, the saturn pad is in it.

>> No.5541267

>>5540827
Except it is when it comes to fightan games. Not everyone (like myself) likes playing with arcade sticks and the Saturn is as good as it gets for fightan and shootan games.
Meanwhile, the SNES/Dual Shock controller is the best for pretty much everything else because the cross layout of the buttons allows for easier multi-button presses which is crucial for most platformers like Mega Man, Mario and Donkey Kong.

Calling the Saturn controller lackluster because it can't do certain platformers well would be like calling an F-1 a bad car because it's ill-suited for daily street car use. Of fucking course it's not going to be as good when it was designed with a particular goal in mind.

>> No.5541293

>>5540827
It's great for everything except Virtua Fighter, which is maybe the only fighting game that benefits from stick controls.

>> No.5541296
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5541296

>>5541267
Besides, when people say the saturn d-pad isn't as good for certain platformers it's kinda bullshit.
I think they say that because they feel that when you're holding a direction it's "wobbly" and you could end up sliding diagonally towards up or down, and switching directions very fast exacerbates this issue.

But maybe they could try...just getting gud with the controller?
Because once you play using this thing a lot any imprecision or feeling of uncertainty vanishes completely and all that remains is a solid as fuck d-pad that doesn't hurt your thumb no matter what you're trying to do.
I've never encountered a platformer that was hurt by trying to use this d-pad to play it.
Not one.
Yes you can use a SNESN/DS, and they work fine, but i just don't understand where this meme of the saturn not being just as good when it comes to platformers comes from.
It's absolutely just as good, just takes some getting used to.

>> No.5541847

>>5535970
How does the wired mode work? Does the M30 switch off charging somehow?

>> No.5541960

>>5541847
Here's the manual with all the details:

http://download.8bitdo.com/Manual/Controller/M30/M30_Manual.pdf

As for charging, it behaves the same way that any other 8bitdo controller does.
It'll blink red when it's low on battery, you connect it and it charges with a solid red light, when it's done the red light will just turn off (the green lights on the bottom will stay on even while it's charging, just let them be).

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5541993

Is this really the best 2D controller available? Yes. Yes it is.

>> No.5542103

>>5541960
Thanks. I intend to use it mostly wired on 1 system and was afraid it would just stupidly charge all the time, ruining the battery. I considered the Hori Fighting Commander but it's too big for my sons hands.

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5542220

>>5538629
>8bitdo controllers
trash

>> No.5542806

>>5542220
I agree. Two broke on me. One being an M30. The new Sega Genesis controllers feel a lot better.

>> No.5543278

>>5536406
Hey man, since this thread is still alive, if you could update with how it is, it would be greatly appreciated. I really want to get one, but knowing retro-bit, it's keeping me on the fence.

>> No.5543316

>>5541296
>takes more time to get used to
>is as good
Dude, it’s just not that good, I’m sorry.

>> No.5543343

>>5543278
I got it today, but haven't even opened it yet. Want me to do an unboxing and just fag it up?

>> No.5543359

>>5543343
Sure, just have a test run, maybe take some pics, and say how the controller feels and plays.

>> No.5543368

>>5543343
Lemme know how it feels for holding two buttons at once. Is it easier to use A+X or A+B for "traditional" platformer stuff where you wanna hold run and press jump. A+B really doesnt seem like it would be bad considering the gameboy uses basically the same layout for its A and B buttons.

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5543379

>>5543359
>>5543368
'kay

>> No.5543385

>>5543379
What makes it feel cheap? Is it the buttons, the weight of the controller, or the d-pad?

>> No.5543387

>>5543385
It's as light as those chink AT Games blue tooth genesis controllers they gave you with the "genesis mini" you could get at Target.

>> No.5543389

>>5543387
Most controllers without rumble are light tho.

>> No.5543391

>>5543389
My old SNES controllers feel heavier and sturdier. I can't find my old genesis controllers, so who knows. I was a segafag as a kid, maybe I'm misremembering.

>> No.5543472

>>5543389
>>5543387
>>5543385
D-pad feels great, buttons are just fine. Should buttons are absolute trash. Lack of mode or "select" on a USB controller is a travesty, though.

>> No.5543482

>>5543472
>shoulder buttons are trash

Time to skip that one.

>> No.5543489

>>5543482
If you like low profile shoulder buttons, you'll like it. I like to hammer shoulder buttons, I can barely tell I'm pressing them.

>> No.5543496

>>5543489
Yeah, if there's something I don't like much from the SNES controller (even though I love the rest) is how low profile the buttons are. I like having some feedback at least. I abuse those buttons on games like Megaman X. Make them click and I don't give much of a shit if they are low profile or not, as long as I know I'm hitting that.