/vr/ - Retro Games

Any day that hoarders get BTFO is a good day. Utter scum that they are.

Im glad the rom got stolen and released to the public.
People who refuse to release the rims to the public are assholes.

If true that guy is an absolute legend. I'd have dumped the roms and then permanently sabotaged the machine.

All hoarders who refuse to release roms must hang. It is possible the owner leaked it himself though.

>>5522315
>It is possible the owner leaked it himself though.
That is one theory, to deflect heat from the other few owners.

>>5522291
Why do people hoard fucking ROM files? it's not like they're going to last forever on their shitty seagate hard drives. I wonder how many games we've already irreversibly lost due to some fat fuck being a jew about a 40 kilobyte file. To some extent I CAN understand that these probably hold a value to a group of people and imply some faux-elitism but still - it's a digital file, prone to corrupting or deleting - there are no pros for being an image hoarder. Fuck you.

"Remember people, this was at minimum a breach of trust and at most grand theft of property. This was NOT this person's property to copy and distribute as they saw fit.

We as enthusiasts always want to see more stuff out there in the public, but it's not our stuff. If the person that does own it and has who knows how much in it and whatever agreements they are tied to in order to get it does not authorize something being taken and released then nobody should EVER take things without permission no matter what your position is on the subject.

I love to see new games and rare stuff get found and released, but I want it to be done honestly and with the permission of the person that owns it currently. If that person says no, then the answer is no. It's not a question. "

The same person who wrote the above also owns gamestencils.com which illegally sells copyrighted video game artwork.

>>5522443
Penis whoring Braggin basically

On one hand, stealing information should be as much of a crime as stealing physical goods, People can and do sue each other for insider trading or misusing trade secrets.

On the other hand, fuck hoarders.

>>5522451
you stupid faggot.

>>5522291
>THEY STOLE MUH ROMZ!

>>5522537
haha faggot you got BTFO, go back to your hugbox forum

Couldn't care less about those fucking hoarders. However, are there any games that haven't been dumped worth a shit?

>>5522532
>On one hand, stealing information should be as much of a crime as stealing physical goods, People can and do sue each other for insider trading or misusing trade secrets.
>On the other hand, fuck hoarders.
In this case, the IP belongs to either the successor to Atari or some other rightsholder, not the owner of one instance of the game. No laws broken, but trust and other moral issues probably between the tech and the game's owner.

>>5522443
>>5522513
The last time one of these traded hands, the cabinet brought in the five figures. Arcade hoarders want to keep the value up and some silly elitist bragging rights like a fucking Golem with his Precious. Preserving the ROM for posterity certainly trumps such ephemeral reasoning.

This particular kind of hoarding requires a bizarre metacommunity that trusts each other enough to buy prototypes and not expect the previous owner to release the data that one must assume is still in their possession. So basically to preserve the value of their collections they are FORCED to circle jerk and actively fuck over the vast majority of the gaming community.

This is another good example of the hobby becoming too big. It used to be that cool guys had fun seeing out prototypes and undumped versions specifically to release and get community recognition but it passed that point long ago. Now it's to the point of waiting for them to DIE and their state being forced to liquidate for real market value rather than inflated Dupont registry fantasies

>>5522443
>To some extent I CAN understand that these probably hold a value to a group of people
They do, that's basically the thing. Certain people would be willing to pay very good money for that 40kb file.

>>5522542
>DEY TUK UR ROMZ!

>>5522291
>Akka Arrh
So is it a good game?

>>5522928
Seems better than the typical proto at least, and I'm a Missile Command fan (of which it seems a variant), so looks good. The ROM is out there so give it a try.

if these faggots own the original machines why the fuck wouldn't they release the rom? let's see, I got the xmen 6 player rom for free, I'd still have to pay THOUSANDS of dollars to get the fairly rare 6 player cabinet.

>>5523232
While its true the cabinet would still be worth something, its worth considerably less if you can just save thousands of dollars and play the rom

>>5522451
Hint: it was the owner who released the rom. He's giving himself plausible deniability so the other 2-3 hoarders don't witch hunt him.

If the tech had dumped it his name would be out by now.

>>5522291
Why would ROM hoarders be furious? They can now hoard another worthless game they'll play once on their SD. Are you maybe confusing hoarding ROMs with collecting arcade machines?

>>5523459
Are you retarded?

>>5523459
Most of these "super collectors" claim to have dumped the ROMS for safety but refuse to release them, which is tantamount to no dump if their house burns down or shit. Ergo, they are ROM hoarders.

>>5523494
No. Just an adult who knows what words mean. You?

>>5523717
>tantamount
Pic related. I thought your kind was supposed to have mad skillz with teh intarwebz. How do you not know that House Detached Storage is a thing?

The retard couldn't even fix his own hoarded cabinet? The tech did the right thing by saving the rom from the hands of an inept idiot.

>>5522761
>Arcade hoarders want to keep the value up
I don't think the ROM being dumped would affect its value at all. Nobody is buying a rare game like this because they really want to play the game. They're buying it because of its rarity. As long as only three exist in the world, it'll always be sought-after.

>>5523912
It will always be sought after, sure, but sharing the data of something that was once only available by way of the original item is not a good way of retaining value. By sharing, you're taking out:
1) people buying it primarily to preserve it
2) people who buy things so they can say they have the only one, or one of the very few, of something that nobody else can experience without buying the thing
3) people buying it for an extremely unique experience
4) people looking to display the thing for profit and/or attention
Besides, many unreleased games are only desirable because they have the mystique of being unreleased and unobtainable. Do people still get worked up about Bio Force Ape now that anybody in the world can play it? How about Socks the Cat? Are people freaking out about that one now that they know the game is just another SNES platformer with a goofy theme that they can readily download?

>>5523906
100% Unironically this. If retro arcade is your jam, you should be your own tech, if you can't solder and diagnose problems, you have no right hoarding legitimately rare items.

>>5523937
If you have a copy, you only have a copy, but if you have the original, you have the original. Nothing can gain primacy over the original.

>>5522451
Literally "don't copy that floppy"

>>5522291
>My name is Dump. James Dump.

>>5524117
Yes, but in cases where the data is important and unique, the data is a part of the value. People pay for simply the data of undistributed prototypes, sometimes fundraisers are even conducted. Monster Party Famicom prototypes are obviously very rare - they would sell for $1k+ - I believe the one that sold on ebay went for $3k. After that point, the Monster Party prototype ROM was made available online. The buyers of the $3k cart resold it, and it went for under $1k.

>>5523890
>House Detached Storage is a thing?
Point is, just putting a copy of a backup on a fucking USB or burned DVD is not archival best practices, but for all we know that's what counts as "preserved" to the hoarder. Maybe they put a copy in the cloud...maybe. But if they die and nobody gives a fuck the ROM dies for eternity.

This game is down to 3 instances and would be "critically endangered" an shit if it was an animal.

What's really despicable is that the poster "atariscott", the one who made the post about how this heist was supposedly pulled off, had been lurking for years on the mame forum before making that as his first post. Why? So he could do things like find out about the Vid Kidz dev kit (e.g. Robotron, etc) going up for auction, proceed to outbid the preservation community, and drop it into his black hole of a hoard for "muh braggin' rights".

Very gratifying to see him smoked out and raging over a little bit of turnabout.

>>5522443
It really is as simple as elitism and bragging. You see this in the highest of the high-end people, they constantly compete to show off what they have and what they can buy. I guess you could say that to some people, achievement is nothing without something expensive with which to show it off.

>>5523367
Definitely. Even if you wouldn't be able to prosecute this guy (and with a decent lawyer, you'd probably have a decent case, considering this guy's unauthorized copying devalued your property) you'd at least want his name on your circlejerk's shitlist instead of just protecting his identity like this.

>>5524326
It's difficult for me to Imagine what it would be like to have a few "trusted people" in your social circle hate your guts because you indirectly devalued something which they also own.

>>5524335
We truly live in a society.

>>5523890
>No. Just an adult who knows what words mean. You?

You're a fucking retard confirmed.
You don't even know that arcades contain ROM chips on them. Games being called ROMS are because they are STORED ON ROMS, and EXTRACTED FROM ROMS.

Kys retard

>>5524259
>we
Don't include me in your crazy fantasy world

>>5524484
Confirmed dumb zoomer. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site.

>>5524631
Retard

>>5524683
Yep.

>>5524269
>What's really despicable is that the poster "atariscott", the one who made the post about how this heist was supposedly pulled off, had been lurking for years on the mame forum before making that as his first post.
Ithought he used to post there before under another account. But yeah, he's the guy who has all this: http://www.atarigames.com/safestuff/mystuff.htm
You can thank him for never being able to play Marble Madness 2

>>5523367
>Three 600-lb hoarders will hunt you down
L O fucking L

>>5524484
ever heard of discrete logic arcades?

>>5525164
Didn't Marble Madness 2 look like shit, anyway?

>>5525164
Fuck this guy, holy shit what an absolute cunt.

>>5525359
Those "whale" collectors - in both the collection size/value sense and corporally - are too busy pleasuring each other in their circle jerk over their hoard to take any action against brave "Raiders of the Lost ROM".

>>5525369
Sure but that has nothing to do with this particular conversation. This guy originally claimed that rom hoarding means software only and that someone holding a rom chip with a rom in it and not releasing it is not a rom hoarder

>>5522291
I dumped the ROM from one of the other two unaccounted for Akka Arrh cabinets. I am Dumpicus.

>>5525359
Cool it with your fat fetish, bro. It's taken over your life.

How dare you steal from my precious hoard. I and the rest of the hoarder community won't soon forget this.

>>5522451
Except the owner of the hardware doesn't own the copyright, and has no claim to it. And technically all roms are illegal anyway. So at most, this guy did something SLIGHTLY less legal than any other pirate.

Legally, it was a breach of trust at absolute most, which just damages ths dude's rep, if even that.

>>5522589
Not really. Anything notable got dumped years, or decades ago now. All the remaining undumped roms out in the wilds is just a bunch of shit that no one cared to dump before.

That said, I have heard a couple times about things like a rom of the N64 version of Resident Evil Zero being in some twat's private collection. But in every case, said twat has refused to provide proof, and makes auch claims just to get attention and to get desperate fanboys to treat him nicely. At most, I've seen a screen cap of a rom folder with a rom named as RE0.zip in it, but it could very easily be another rom, or archive renamed to that.

That's about it. Trust me when I tell you that if you've been emulating for any length of time, you already have access to all the actual worthwile games that ever existed.
This is coming from a guy who's been emulating since windows 98 was still commonly used.

>>5522451
imagine the smell

No way a technician dumped the ROMs without the owner's permission. Facts:
>technicians don't give a shit about rare prototypes
>it's cartoonishly difficult to dump a ROM from a cabinet and it takes more time (to do it right) than anyone is willing to admit
>but someone totes stole muh romz

Thank you to one of the Akka Arrh prototypes-and FUCK YOU to Scott. I hope someone dumps all your ROMs while you're fapping to My Little Pony, so ample time for "the heist."

>>5522589
Nah

Most undumped stuff tha's interesting would be things like prototypes or source codes so people could modify certain games or acquire certain engines

There are some 'legendary' games that no one's confirmed to actually exist, like prototypes of SM64, OoT, Earthbound 64 or certain ports

No way a technician dumped the ROMs without the owner's permission. Facts:
>technicians don't give a shit about rare prototypes
>it's cartoonishly difficult to dump a ROM from a cabinet and it takes more time (to do it right) than anyone is willing to admit
>but someone totes stole muh romz

Thank you to one of the owners of the Akka Arrh prototypes-and FUCK YOU to Scott. I hope someone dumps all your ROMs while you're fapping to My Little Pony, so ample time for "the heist."

Pic related would be off-limits to everyone but his pathetic ass if it was rare.

>>5525647
The fact that a tech would open up a cab that he wasn't being paid to repair, taking out the board, popping out all socketed ROMs (and desoldering unsocketed ones), firing up his laptop with an EPROM reader and going through and dumping all of them is a bit unlikely, but not impossible. I think most would view it as far too risky to attempt - takes too much time, too much chance of getting caught, and if they are a career tech, a potentially career ending move for minimal to no gain.

>>5525668
>The fact that a tech would open up a cab that he wasn't being paid to repair, taking out the board, popping out all socketed ROMs (and desoldering unsocketed ones), firing up his laptop with an EPROM reader and going through and dumping all of them is a bit unlikely, but not impossible.

Yes, we can safely say it's for all intents and purposes, impossible. No tech would have the time to do it and none would dare touch a fragile prototype and risk getting sued by guys who would certainly sue if such a thing happened and could be proven. The fact that it's not prove means that it didn't happen bar-none.

>>5525668
>I think most would view it as far too risky to attempt - takes too much time, too much chance of getting caught, and if they are a career tech, a potentially career ending move for minimal to no gain.

Exactly. And I have a difficult time believing that someone so rich as to have an off-site facility for their precious rare game wouldn't have made some fail safes against it. It did not happen. The pool for that kind of thing is far too small.

>some tech snuck the ROMs out
Translation:
>I hired a guy to repair my super-rare machine since I'm a hoarder who doesn't know shit about how to actually maintain and repair these things
>as per standard procedure, he backed up all the ROMs before starting
>since most people knowledgeable enough to be arcade techs willing to tackle a rare machine have a strong interest in arcade games to begin with, said tech leaked the ROM copies
>HE STOLE FROM ME, REEEEEE

>>5524683
>no u
>>5524862
>Yep. I fooled anyone

>>5525693
>>as per standard procedure, he backed up all the ROMs before starting

t. guy who has never owned a machine or had it repaired.

>>5525693
>>since most people knowledgeable enough to be arcade techs willing to tackle a rare machine have a strong interest in arcade games to begin with, said tech leaked the ROM copies

Guys who just want to get the job at hand done and go home so that they can drink cheap beer give a fuck enough to risk their jobs, sure buddy.

>>5525359
Based Aztec Gods of Fitness.

AWAKEN MY MASTERS!

>>5522589
dodonpachi campaign version

>>5522291
arcade bakudd

>>5523234
dude, you either have the desire, money, and space for a cab or you don't. being able to play it on mame has nothing to do with it. I can name you a dozen games I played on mame so much that I'm damn near sick of them. but if I won powerball tomorrow I'd buy a dedicated cab of every single one.

>>5522291
This should happen to every proto hoarder fuck them. If I worked for VGA that's totally what I'd do.

>>5524353
KYS tripfag.
>>5525610
Being a winfag that long is nothing to brag about.

>>5525854

>>5522451
Bullshit, if a person is denying such a thing, it's just for e-penis points. Also, roms can get damaged over time and something may kill the drive they're stored in.

>>5525886
>>5525886
>roms can get damaged over time and something may kill the drive they're stored in.

True, so the only way to make sure that they're widely available for as long as possible is piracy.

>>5525894
Only Nintendo cares about 20+ year roms, other companies don't give a flying fuck about them since they can't make money off them anymore.

>>5525913
>other companies don't give a flying fuck about them since they can't make money off them anymore.
Well, you're not wrong; the only reason "Atari" doesn't care is because Infogrames their latest IP owner doesn't even have it together enough to FARM OUT decent consoles, so they're in bad enough shape to even think of suing anyone.

>>5525920
>big company suing an average joe over a fucking file

Do you think we live in a 1984-esque world?

>>5525932
>Do you think we live in a 1984-esque world?
How can you not think we don't? I can't really prove this here because it's too political, but hot damn you're naive.

>>5525948
I'm not naive, you're insane. No company is going to spend money with lawyers and the such for a guy that downloaded a 30 year old game. It's impractical and can even hurt their reputation unless they're fucking Nintendo.

>>5525958
18+

>>5525959
>18+

Seriously? Pirating has existed since the dawn of the internet. It can't and won't be stopped, no matter what they do. People are just going to find other ways to pirate shit, even if the government and companies are breathing down their asses. Get real.

>>5525968
Now you're talking sense, but if you think big corporations are above ruining the small fry's life to make an example out of them, you are totally out of the loop again.

>>5525693
>as per standard procedure i shitposted while underage

>>5525948
Its way more like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Only certain specific vintage games get people's rocks off enough for their placation potential to be profitable while the vast majority fall into the category of tolerated vice, keeping people 's heads down for fear of theoretical consequences. Once in a while examples must be made to preserve this perception

>>5522291
Wonder if the art was scanned... That would be rubbing noses in shit, wouldn't it, heheheh!

>>5525932
happens rarely, but not for shit like this. A guy who leaked pirate copies of New Super Mario Bros. Wii online before it was released got his shit slapped, but that's also Nintendo defending a bread and butter of their bottom line, and you can make a very easy argument for harm caused to their business. Very easy court case. You'd have a hard time making a case for someone downloading roms or even distributing them, as the company would have to prove not only that they were actively using and profiting off of the files, but that the user was using their materials to undercut them financially in some way (ie, sell their own product for less). If anything, the only stuff that really qualifies for that is stuff like those pirate clones of the NES Mini. You could easily make a case for that under trademark violations and financial damages. The loveroms thing does make me wonder why they went after that site in particular. Easy target perhaps? Or maybe they were making money off of the process of rom distribution in some way. Or maybe they were just being made an example of. Either way, that wasn't one file, so it's not exactly equivalent to what you asked.

In this thread's topic scope, you'd more likely see a court case where the other two owners gang up on the third owner, assuming that third owner is the dumper of the game. That would be suit over a file, but also that would not be a company.

>>5526843
>The loveroms thing does make me wonder why they went after that site in particular

They were using the images of Mario;et al on the site itself which Nintendo really hates when ROMs are involved.

>>5525402
why do i feel these fuckers have this game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lVyYtkgRY

just like MarbleMan (Marble Madness 2) and Roadrunner Laserdisc, im starting to believe these games will never be emulated.

hope those bastards end up in the streets as poor losers, even if that means the arcades are lost and destroyed, at least it would be better than them be stored in a vault, never to be played in anyway again.

>>5526843
>In this thread's topic scope, you'd more likely see a court case where the other two owners gang up on the third owner, assuming that third owner is the dumper of the game. That would be suit over a file, but also that would not be a company.

It can never be proven from which of the possibly up to five machines that are said to exist, with three accounted for of course. So anyone with the other two could have dumped it. There is no legal case against anyone.

>>5527137
>hope those bastards end up in the streets as poor losers, even if that means the arcades are lost and destroyed
Why? I mean, in those cases the state takes your stuff, anon. So if a bunch of selfish hoarders die off (definitely going to happen in the next 20 years) their respective states are going to dump their goods back into the market at auction, the ones that aren't "lost" that is. Also keep in mind that lost vaults can be excellent time capsules complete with accidental preservation.

>>5527164
oh yeah, I didn't go on, but the case would be incredibly weak. You'd probably not even be able to take it to court. Even if you did, the charge would be pretty small potatoes, probably not even worth whatever you'd pay in legal fees to do it.

>>5527137
>why do i feel these fuckers have this game?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lVyYtkgRY [Embed]
Not to worry. For just $17000, you too can be the proud owner of a Vertexer pcb.

>>5527405
suddenly i feel severe diahrrea.

how in the seven fucks hasnt Taito ever tried to put that game in a compilation?

>>5527137
>why do i feel these fuckers have this game?
Shoutime has Vertexer. He has released loads of dumps, but apparently the Japanese in particular have all kinds of retarded rules about letting the filthy gaijin get hold of their games so romz are hoarded or you don't get to touch their other games. The same retarded shit happened with Segasonic bros where that was apparently ordered to be hoarded forever, but either somehow it was leaked by Guru or Guru found another board and dumped it (I think the former) and huge amounts of butthurt ensued.
With Vertexer it looks like maybe Taito themselves are involved as inexplicably an official soundtrack CD was released a year after Shoutime posted about having a board. Could be coincidence though. More pertinently both Segasonic and Vertexer were teased as basically "coming to Mame soon" in 2017, but they were since memory holed with no other news other than Sonic being leaked from presumably the same people.

>>5527601
>internal politics currently prevents the game from being added to the main branch of MAME

What?

http://info.sonicretro.org/SegaSonic_Bros..

>>5522291
>tfw "piracy isn't stealing" logic actually applies full force here
>either piracy or hoarder apologists are going to get BTFO

This is amazing.

>>5527628
>>either piracy or hoarder apologists are going to get BTFO
What do you mean BTFO pirates? Piracy clearly won here, morally anyway.

>>5527797
That's up to debate, but it's a debate that will please me either way. Morally speaking, I also agree with you.

>>5527828
Ah. Now there's no way a technician did it without permission, but in any case, piracy saved another game from extinction. People forget that if there's a few animals of a species, it can still be technically extinct because there isn't a viable population, same with games.

>>5527760
>thinks fire is as important as a shitty old game

>>5523234
Do they actually have people come over to their house and pay money to play it?

Why the fuck someone hold a rom?

>>5525610
Couldn't any in-development build of a game have interest?

>>5525948
Why are there so many delusional retards like you

>>5528295
"don't...don't laugh at my extensive wisdom!"
t. time traveler from 1973

>>5528301
>He actually thinks he lives in 1984

>>5528303
It's close, a lot closer than you'd ever guess. So anyway, someone needs to raid every hoard for real. The types of guys that would stop ROM dumps from getting out into the world would probably try to smoke a cigarette in someone else's car. They don't fool me, they're a bunch of low-class retards who think they're cool for holding out on the entire video game world. Fuckin' pathetic.

>>5528313
>It's close.
Damn two words in and you're already wrong. Anyway keep being delusional, I just hope you can afford your meds

>>5528318
>Damn two words in and you're already wron
You know nothing. Nothing. I envy your innocence, though. Have a good 'n.

Damn I hope 5528330 can get back to his asylum on time, poor guy is insane

>talks to self
>calls others insane.

Go to bed, JIDF We talk GAMES HERE. /pol/ is over that way>>>

(btw calling people insane over this stuff exposes you as a shill 100%

>>5522315
>>5522302
>>5522293
>>5522292
>>5522443
>>5522532
>>5522542
>>5523717
>>5525359
Daily reminder that 95% of the time, Japs are behind this. There's an entire subculture there dedicating to hoarding shit to jerk off to. Fuck the Japanese.

>>5528345
Racists and gatekeepers.
Japs are 100% B A S E D

Oh dear now he's completely gone off the deep end. I hope his tard wrangler can get him

ITT hoarders losing their cool

>>5528345
This is who's hoarding your roms.

>>5528361
did they ever have a cool?

>>5528473
Hoarders raising their blood pressure.

Good. Fuck those faggots. It's been a great day for gamers.

So how long until this trickles out into the surface-level ROM sites? I'm not in whatever sekrit clubs circulate these things the instant they come hot off the grill.

>>5525393
I want it even if it's bad.

>/vr/ finally gets their hands on the leaked mythical game
>plays for 5 minutes
>goes back to play fortnite or loli maitetsu child porn simulator and never plays said leaked game again

worth it

>>5528869
So you're saying /vr/ has it's priorities right?

>>5528869
Those 5 minutes are more than any of these faggot hoarders will ever play it.

>>5528345
THIS. Westerners have been keeping the Japs' own fucking creations from disappearing off the face of the earth for decades now. They just don't care about preservation, it's disgusting.

The game actually does look kinda cool. The zoom mechanic where it turns into a turret shooter makes it look like Missile Command doing Gravitar. I assume the next step in the development would have been more enemy types like MC having smart bombs along with the normal missiles.

>>5522291
>"THEY STOLE MUH ROMZ!"
Wait, what exactly is being alleged here? I'm reading through the replies here and there seems to be 2 different ideas going on :

A) Owner had previously dumped ROM of his proto and presumably stored it in his computer or something, and somebody stole the file.

B) Owner never dumped the ROM of his proto, but some guy did (as in, disassembled the machine, took out the chips and put them in a reader, etc) and somehow the owner never noticed despite the whole process being fairly involved.

Which one is it?
Both of them are ridiculous, I just want to make sure what I'm laughing at.

>>5529312
Apparently B. The "some guy" in question was a tech guy who was apparently left alone in the same room as all the owner's arcade cabinets in order to fix a different one, and took the opportunity to dump the Akka Arrh rom.

>>5529353
So it happened in the owner's house?
Damn, that's even more ridiculous. Did the guy just leave the house to go shopping for like 3 hours or something?

>>5529367
No, I think he had the cabinets in a storage somewhere.

>>5528345
>Daily reminder that 95% of the time, Japs are behind this. There's an entire subculture there dedicating to hoarding shit to jerk off to
Best example of this was when the emulator VivaNonno came out. It was a fucking incredible Namco System 22 emulator that came out of nowhere almost complete and running Ridge Racer 1 and 2. Only there were no ROMs that worked with it. I think RR2 may have been already dumped, or was dumped shortly after (by Westerners) so you could play that, but no one had the Japanese RR1 rom the emulator could play (or any other dump of it). Then shortly after release a (I think) Geocities site appeared from the Japanese guy who dumped the rom from his Japanese RR1 cab. It had loads of pictures of the game running in the emulator and the thing that always sticks in my mind was broken english saying something like: "please send me message to congratulate me for my great achievement. But do not ask, for I never give!"
This wasn't some ultra rare game, it was fucking Ridge Racer. But the dick specified to the emu authors to never release his sekrit ROMz so they didn't. It took like two years for gaijin dumpers to get hold of the right Japanese board to release the ROMs needed for the emulator. Just a complete waste of everyone's time and money.

>>5528625
It's definitely out there beyond the mame inner circle, you just need to search on the right filename:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r9Pt01ruF8

>>5529245
>have a weird fetish for traditions and history
>cba to preserve modern culture at all
weird people.

>all these people pretending to know shit about arcade games
>whenever a MAME thread comes up, most of the posts are about being unable to make it work, or how it's too complicated and stupid
You folks sure like to role-play.

>>5528625 >>5530362
its readily available on a few public sites, you just need to be on a good site that has the current 0.209 set for download. seriously, this shit isn't being hidden from you, you can find it on google.

>>5532021
Pleasuredome dot org dot uk. Cannot believe people are still using the same shitty Rom sites from like 2007. New Roms are up in like hours if you use your brain.
Segasonic Bros roms source and compiled MAME version are also available publically on Guru's dumping website.

>>5525164
Why doesn't somebody release a fake version of Marble Madness 2? Authenticity would be difficult if impossible to prove for the majority of people, and it would definitely lower the value of legitimate copies, if it seemed authentic.

>>5532064
>Why doesn't someone spend a huge chunk of their life making a fake version of a game only a few hundred people have ever played at California Extrame and therefore even know what it is like at a shallow level?
I also don't understand how releasing roms from a one of a kind machine somehow makes that one of a kind machine less valueable. You can get a poster of the Mona Lisa off Amazon - did that somehow make the real picture worthless?
It makes more sense with the likes of consoles games or even NeoGeo where you have uniform cartridges that can be perfectly bootlegged, but not custom arcade machines where at best you can maybe cannibalise other increasingly rare boards on the same system (assuming there even ARE any) .

>>5525958
Big companies keep lawyers on retainer, because it's cheaper paying them salary.
This is doubly true for companies which have ip claims that they need to defend in order to keep.
All those weird news stories about big company sueing over ip infringement in weird ways are precisely this, just the company attempting to retain control over ip under common law, so the ip doesn't become public.
Also, we do live in 1984 world, you aren't paying attention.

>>5528049
Read the thread, somebody already explained how such rarity adds value to their property.
Or quit posting here if you have trouble reading.

>>5528332
He isn't insane.
Why is Jon Snowden living in Russia?
Could it be because he told the American public they were being spied on by the government?

>>5532027
What is segasonic bros?

>>5532087
Would you pay more for an arcade machine almost nobody else has ever played before?
Why or why not?
Other anon, named several reasons for this already earlier in the thread. He even numbered them in a list for fucks sake.

Frank Cuckfaldi's take on the matter. Seems pretty noble to me, what does /vr/ think?

>>5532564
He's completely correct. Only thing I would add is that most whiners probably are not actual ROM dumpers themselves, but rather people who neither dump nor collect, just complain and demand other people to go through the effort and financial expense of preserving these things. And treating people who have the potential to give you something you want like shit is obviously an inherently terrible idea.

>>5532564
Not sure what favors these "Big Tymer" (to use Neo Geo parlance) collectors are doing for the community, while their ROM hoarding is documented fact. Vertexer. These clowns are sitting on vector games where there is one example known - if that isn't worth drastic measures, what is?

His characterization of Akka Arrh as a "Random ass Atari arcade game" rings hollow as well. People are reporting it as a fun trackball title, so it's not some shitty proto.

The drama is always more entertaining than the games themselves (which often just suck or at least don't live up to the hype).

>>5532132
>What is segasonic bros?
It was an abandoned attempt at columns style game with Sonic the Hedgehog in. It's not that great but notable for being an early outing of the autism mascot.

>>5532142
>Would you pay more for an arcade machine almost nobody else has ever played before?
>Why or why not?
No. Most prototypes are cancelled because they are bad or can't be made to work. Only if it had a good pedigree like Marble Madness 2 would it be worth it sight unseen (and apparently that sucks as well).
Also it doesn't necessarily work the way claimed by that other anon that things lose value by being emulated. See Cave games and other shoot em up PCBs from particularly the '90s. In their day they were not properly understood and were considered as just fluff to be credit fed through as people thought that was how you were supposed to play arcade games. MAME in particular led to these games being re-evaluted and properly understood in the west, and now they have massively sky-rocketed in value. If people play a game and see that it is GOOD then of course the few originals are going to be even more sought after.

The prototype collecting community is not 1:1 the same as the retail collecting community. There are different motivating factors at work, so the fact that people buy retail games despite having been dumped means very little when it comes to analyzing prototype sales and how being dumped or undumped influences pricing.

>>5532564
He's encouraging and normalizing these hoarders' behavior, and arguing that we should suck their dick so that we might get rare undumped game rom from master hoarder-sama.

Claiming that these people are the real archivists is horseshit, they keep their rare games just to jack off to them. Not to mention these guys are innate psychopaths, so negotiation shouldn't even be considered. Seems like Frank has just been brainwashed to think what they're doing is okay (or paid off by them).

Not to mention Frank is a scam artist, all donations to his "Video Game History" Foundation go toward scanning manuals and magazines and other shit no one cares about. Real archival should be done anonymously like it always was anyway.

>>5532705
Yes, better go antagonize and threaten them some more, that'll help make them release their precious hoarded ROMs.

>>5532712
Yes, go ahead and suck their dick and encourage their mental illness. Good little slave.

>>5525693
>as per standard procedure, he backed up all the ROMs before starting
lol
>>5529245
>They just don't care about preservation
Neither do you. But you sure pretend.
>>5532564
I was waiting for this cunt's name to pop up.
>i'm an expert
God he's such a fucking fraud.

>>5532717
Being courteous and thankful isn't dick sucking. Besides, I buy and dump stuff myself.

>>5532564
>people pay me to xerox nintendo power
>expert

>>5532793
>courteous and thankful
>for people who hoard games for years

>>5532793
Thanks, friend.

this is some Snowden shit

>>5532564
>random-ass Atari game that didn't test well
>it's only the stuff I LIKE that deserves to see the light of day!

>>5528349
>are 100% B A S E D
people who post like this are always underageb& faggots, which begs the question

>>5532793
while true that a courteous attitude can help, lets be real, a lot of those people are complete douchebags, you can be as courteous as you can, but they will kick you away.

it really makes absolutely no sense, how making roms public decrease the overall value of the original arcade? the original arcade is still there, it is a nice collector piece that STILL can be sold for pretty nice dough, the only difference is that people outside your friend circle will be able to play it.

>>5534835
>the only difference is that people outside your friend circle will be able to play it
And that's the meat of why dumping it runs the risk of decreasing value - some people are attracted to exclusivity. Some people will even help fund ROM dumps, but of course they will only do that if said ROM is not widely available.

>>5531717
OK genius, why would someone who knows how to use mame even participate in those threads? Of course it's dummies too stupid to Google in those threads.

I’ve kinda scanned this thread and read the stupid article. So here’s my take.

The only people/entity who can sue anyone in this case is, what?Hasbro? Infograms? And it’s unlikely they will because I doubt anyone who works there knew this game existed until a few days ago.

Also, it’s completely legal for a repairman or technician to fuck with your electronics, scan your files, copy things. Totally legal! Google “Best Buy FBI”.

Also, why is a video game, film, or song devalued by someone else playing, viewing, or listening to it? If I own the only print of “Citizen Kane 2: Rosebud’s Revenge” and I paid $10,000 for it, but you made a copy of it what are the damages I can claim? Is it now only worth $5,000? Or is it worthless, was it’s only value that only I can see it? If that’s so, then that is what I think the majority of people find repulsive. That you paid, not for it’s intrinsic value, but for other people to NOT have it.

>>5531717
arcade games are the realm of the turbo boomer so why would they know how to use mame? Or they could just be idiots

>>5534928
>i read the stupid article and decided to post something even more stupid
>It's just what redditards do

>>5535020
Okay. So, what points do you disagree on?

>>5532564
>STOP SAYING MEAN THINGS IN THE INTERNET REEEEEEEE

>>5535020
HI FRANK!

>>5535137
The point where you LARP as someone who knows anything on the subject. In my experience it's not even worth trying to learn a fool like you the law. It's better just to call them a dumb kid and watch them prove it.

>>5534906
it IS still a risk, and one not really logical.

the only way i could believe this is s a problem, is if, and i mean a big IF, the rom dumping process forcibly ruins the chips, making them or the board unusable.

and i really doubt that after all these years of research and dumping tech evolving, theres no way to make dumps and still have the chips and board perfectly useable.

them saying 'ROMS=worthless arcade' so arbitrarely, makes me think that the hoarders arent even interested in the original arcade, they just want to hoard the machines because they feel they need to be douchebags.

>>5522928
Play the rom and see for yourself :)

>>5535410
The original is not physically useless, but you cannot argue that it maintains its uniqueness and revenue generating potential. If a ROM has been dumped, you cannot recoup your cost by selling the ROM file. You cannot gain significant attention by uploading videos of gameplay, gameplay that can only be seen on your YouTube channel.

If someone cares so much about preservation, they can buy a prototype and dump it and freely release it themselves. Send money to someone who owns a prototype to pay them to dump and release it.

>>5532120
Hes in Russia because he broke one of few laws that the gov actually cares about, and hes going to get wrecked otherwise.

>>5532564
I dont know because who the fuck writes an essay on twitter? Here is my dissertation comment 1 of 20.

>>5532564
What a faggot. There's no way the data was stolen anyway, it's just a cover story so they don't get sued by the rights holder. And if by some slim chance it's true, it's awesome and righteous and anyone who can't see that is blind. The game was meant for the general public afterall.

>>5535440
What site has it, please? Don't wanna download another version of MAME and shouldn't have to, or do I have to in order to play it?

>>5535509
Because it's against the law to uphold the Constitution.

>>5532564
>collectors are met with hostility towards owning a thing
wrong
it's hostility about having the ability to make digital copies for everyone else that do not impact the value of your hardware (you still own the original hardware which is not devalued by the ROM) and yet choosing to be a twat about it

>>5532120
If you can say you live in 1984, then you don't you absolute fucking idiot

>>5532705
This, especially the last paragraph. "I'm the king of retrogames, so you must obey I say, society"

>>5535645
if I were king of retro I would outlaw all Treasure games and bring back 3dfx.

>>5535653
I unironically love those shallow and short Treasure games, but good taste nonetheless.

>>5532564
I would maybe given him the benefit of the doubt until he said who gives a shit because it didn't test well. Doesn't that immediate discredit him as some sort of preservationist?

>>5532564
>Frank Cuckfaldi

>>5535672
also, didn't he advocate stealing from work? So that's fine but doing it to a collector is a not?

>>5535576
but it does devalue it... so...

>>5535679
>THEVideoGameHistoryFoundation
>Foundation
PBSfags still desperately buy into the powerwords meme

>>5535689
but it doesn't. His hardware isn't worth anything less because there's a digital copy of it. If you've got a hard drive with a file on it, and you make a copy of it, that harddrive is not worth less now. same applies to arcade hardware

>>5532564
>he paid for the piece of gaming history therefore he's entitled to not release or showcase it to anyone

it's equivalement to buying a Mona Lisa picture from Louvre then sending DMCAs to every website that has the Mona Lisa picture so nobody else can see it but you

>>5535764
Your argument is that data is worthless.

>>5535779
My argument is the thing he owns (the original hardware containing the data) is not copied by dumping, therefor it cannot be devalued by dumping it

>>5535791
There are collectors and preservationists who buy physical prototypes, and are willing to pay a premium for them, simply because they are confirmed or believed to have data that has yet to become widely available, and if the data were widely available, they would have far less interest in the physical thing?

>>5522291
Why do the arcade cabinet collectors even care?
I thought they didn't appreciate roms and emulators?

Their stupid prototype should still be worth the same. They are just mad because other people got to play their exclusive game.
>(It's not their game, it's Atari's) game

>>5535813
So shouldn't it have been Atari's choice to release it widely or not? Oh wait, they DID decide, and they decided against it. What right does someone have nowadays to override that decision and release it themselves? Seems awfully presumptuous and, in certain cases, even illegal.

>>5522451
>This was NOT this person's property to copy and distribute as they saw fit

i mean... it was Atari's property. if Atari wanted to object to the dumping then, fair play, but that's not what happened. owning a physical copy of the data doesn't make you its copyright holder. the hoarder has little moral and ZERO legal ground to stand on; fuck him.

>>5535819
(And to be clear, I am all for game preservation and ROM sharing, I just don't understand people who get on their soapbox demanding other people to do the things that they themselves are entirely unwilling to do, all while making arguments that really don't make sense instead of taking efforts to help the cause they claim to care about)

>>5535467
>If someone cares so much about preservation, they can buy a prototype and dump it and freely release it themselves.
Assuming the cocksucking hoarders don't infiltrate preservation groups solely to outbid them on rarities, as they've done before.

>>5535678
>claims to be a gamedev
>all work is bundling emulators behind cheap, buggy flash-tier menus

>>5535819
>So shouldn't it have been Atari's choice to release it widely or not? Oh wait, they DID decide, and they decided against it.

most of the retro games by now are abandoned, buried under ancient documents that weren't recycled yet by miracle or they're tax writeoffs

do you really think there is anyone at Atari that still remembers that one game they coded 40 years ago and released couple of prototype machines before deciding it's not worth it - let alone considering it valuable asset worth defending it's copyrights and preserving? I don't think so

As someone with something of actual value and interest at home(5g of uranium metal, 25g of potassium, 5g of cesium, 8g of white phosphorus, a 5gram pellet of beryllium, a VERY small piece of thorium, and various scientific oddities and books that aren't available in digital format), I cannot help but wonder why game collectors act so fucking retarded. I wouldn't get pissed off at all if every person in the world owned a little ampoule of cesium and drove the price down to pennies on the dollar. It would at the very least make for a very chaotic mess and a fun time all around!

>>5535897
anon are you building a nuke

>>5535913
Nope. Need enriched U or Pu to do that, plus VERY specific high explosives that are powerful and insensitive. Also, the exact configuration of nuclear devices that makes them function is still highly classified, globally. It's impossible to just build a nuke.

I collected elements for a couple years. Might continue later.

>>5522451
Fuck that faggot all hoarders should be shot for their crimes without exception
There's no defending this niggerish behavior, and now that it's released online not even God can stop it from spreading

>>5534928
>it’s completely legal for a repairman or technician to fuck with your electronics, scan your files, copy thing
It really depends on the contract between the technician and the game owner. If the technician formally agreed to not distribute the ROM then he could be liable under a civil claim.

>>5532564
Wasnt there a case where one of the super rare arcade ROMs got dumped and the rich as fuck owner of one of them threaten to sue MAME developers unless they removed (which they did) the compatibility for that especific game from MAME? I guess that is okay too huh?

>>5524117
If they have the ROM of the consumer version then techincally it wasn't the original, it was a copy.

>>5525610
Basically this with very few minor exceptions.

>>5535897
cringe

>>5535946
>If the technician didn't formally agreed to not murder anyone he can kill as many people as he wants

>>5535806
the data is only worth something because (presumably) you could plug it in mame and play it. If mame didn't exist then wouldn't a dump of the rom be useless? So shouldn't collectors be going after mame for devaluing their collections?

>>5535897
Is this pasta? This is pasta material

>>5535678
>hates Alex
Fuck you you WICKED WICKED DEVIL!

>>5527994

----------- Joke ---------->

You (retard)

>>5535835
>Assuming the cocksucking hoarders don't infiltrate preservation groups solely to outbid them on rarities, as they've done before.
For example, Atariscott's use of the mame forum to snatch stuff from the hands of preservationists as noted above. I really savor his butthurt over losing Akka Arrh for this and other reasons.

>>5535678
That guy is no game dev, he's a UI developer at best and a shitty one at that.

>>5535819
>So shouldn't it have been Atari's choice to release it widely or not?
>>5535885
>do you really think there is anyone at Atari that still remembers that one game they coded 40 years ago
The Atari that created these games in the first place is long gone and exists in name only for licensing and other cash ins. Nobody there "remembers" anything, as there is nobody there with any connection to Atari bitd.

Atari Games was the bitter end when it finally folded in relatively recent times after becoming part of Midway. That's where Atariscott dumpster dived a good deal of his collection for nothing as it was being thrown out.

Presumably, the rights to Akka Arrh belong to whoever owns the Atari brand, but it could be either the Atari Games or Atari Corporation successor given it's arcade pedigree too.

>>5536451
omg what a cringey fail

>>5537123
Hoarders are fucking dumb, holy shit.

Fly free, sweet game. Out of the urine soaked clutched of thy hoarder.

>>5537127
Are you so new that you don't even see how you failed? wew lad

>>5537827
Who failed? Dude made a joke and you tried to treat it literally but fell flat on your face completely. The fact that you keep coming back to defend yourself shows how insecure you are. Pathetic.

>>5535838
And now you understand why someone so talentless has to resort to attention whoring and moral-lecturing to "have a legacy".

>>5535137
Not that guy, but the point where you said it's legal/illegal for a technician to fuck with property they were not hired to mess with.
Then for the thousandth time in the thread (which you thoroughly scanned) questioning how it could possibly devalue the piece by taking away from its rarity and exclusivity, despite the fact that this question has already been thoroughly answered multiple times.
It's okay to disagree with that position, but by blindly asking (a question that has already been asked multiple times), you've pointed out that you didn't pay attention to the thread (while foolishly acting like you had some unique point to add to the conversation) and you lack the cognitive skills to consider perspectives on how things are valued.
Nice Fabergé egg (I presume) though, which unfortunately made your post seem all the more foolish, as by posting that image you were implying that you might understand some of the intricacies of buying, selling, and owning unique valuable pieces.

>>5535410
It's very stupid to try and even explain this too you.
If it hasn't been dumped yet, then there are potential buyers for the hardware who wish to buy it only to dump the rom.
If somebody else dumps the rom before you sell it to someone who wishes to buy it only to dump it to share with the world, then the people whose interest in buying it solely for the purpose of dumping it immediately no longer exists.
This reduces the list of potential buyers and reduces the demand for the property.
The value of property is interconnected with supply and demand.
When supply is low (E.g. there are only 3 - 5 cabinets in the world) and demand is high (big list of potential buyers, including those who wish to buy rare, valuable stuff, and those who wish to preserve the existence of the software in the cabinet) then the value of the property from the market is also high.
By lowering demand, in this case by lowering the number of potential buyers, in this case video game enthusiasts who want to preserve videogame software or just dump roms for internet creds, the value of the property lowered.
This all happened without the property being damaged, and although this seems illogical, perhaps even immoral or stingy, it isn't illogical in the least.
It's also an abstract thing, it's even possible the value of this particular game cabinet went up, if dumping the rom increased interest and there by increased demand for the original, but to not understand how it may have lost value is to be completely ignorant of how economics works.
And it makes you look ignorant to keep asking this question and refuse to read or understand the ample examples and explanations found within this very thread.

>>5537863
You failed. First at reading comprehension and then at memeing. The fact that you keep projecting while coming back to defend yourself shows how insecure you are. Hilarious.

>>5535607
Of course I don't live in a fucking book.
The absolute retard here is you, because you fail to be able to comprehend parallels between a story reference and the real world.
Go visit Snowden and tell him we don't live in fucking 1984. And if you're an American, you can follow up by shutting the fuck up, because clearly you're supportive of the government using PRISM to literally spy on all US citizens on a regular basis, and your apathy or encouragement of this is why we have to live with this type of fucked up thing, which 1984 basically and unironally warned us about.

>>5535774
No, that's not a true equivalence.
It's more like buying a lost work of a famous painter and then not taking a picture of it (or letting anyone else take one) to share with the world, so you can keep it predominately secret in an attempt to inflate its value.
Is it a shitty thing to do? Probably.
Should it be allowed? It happens all the time, and people keep stuff in private collections that should arguably be in museums, but it should probably be allowed, even though no one should do it, because it retains the legal possibility that people can do whatever they want with property they own.

>>5538268
then someone could just dump the rom and not tell anyone they dumped it, sell it, then release the rom later?

This drama reminds me of this movie

>>5532564
Kaczynski was right. I'm curious as to what will happen to people such as this when the great global EMP occurs and all this asinine shit they're obsessed with simply ceases to exist. Everything they know and care about will become permanently irrelevant overnight. Will they survive? Will they even want to?

>>5536684
>Presumably, the rights to Akka Arrh belong to whoever owns the Atari brand, but it could be either the Atari Games or Atari Corporation successor given it's arcade pedigree too.
Mark Thomas likely owns the IP without even realizing he has it, unless it somehow got included in a package deal with the other Atari developed games when he was liquidating Midway's arcade rights.

Another, very real, possibility is that the rights are just outright gone. The rights for Atari's shit have changed hands so many times that all it would take is one contract along the way not accounting for unreleased proprieties.

>>5539027
LMAO

>>5539152
>Another, very real, possibility is that the rights are just outright gone.
I'm gonna bet this is actually the case. The license situation with Atari's properties is such a mess I can't imagine anyone actually paying attention to the rights to an unreleased arcade license barely anyone knows ever existed, so chances are it just slipped through the cracks and never got snatched by anyone.

I mean, the name Akka Arrh obviously isn't worth anything since the game is so obscure, so the only reason anyone would want the license would be to release the original game in some format or other. That hasn't happened, so even if someone does own the rights, chances are they have absolutely no idea they own it and is never going to do anything with them.

>>5533734
Heh if you weren't such a raging newf*g you'd know screaming le underage is the lamest trick in the /vr/ book. Nice try /v/ but you're not fitting in today. Now, bye bye.

>>5535941
People demanding gibs for roms are actually being the niggerish ones not the guys who legally obtained them and don't give into welfare.

>>5524109
>you have no right hoarding legitimately rare items.
Wrong fuckwit. The only thing that determines the right to "hoarding" property is paying for it with cold hard earned cash. Something a whiny nigger who thinks they should be given everything for free like you would never understand.

I'm not a lawyer or anything, but one thing I remember with discussion of previous game prototypes (I think for Midway games?) was that they were supposed to be destroyed to qualify for tax breaks for their development. A lot of these games were lined up for destruction and then luckily either deliberately saved, or just forgotten about/other copies still existed. Arguably if it did come down to a legal battle, the correct course would be to have them seized and destroyed.

>>5531717
What if there's various other ways to play arcade games? Whoa.....

>>5539756
>i'm not a lawyer or anything but i love to talk about legal shit i know nothing about anyway
every. fucking. time.