/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5527859
Makes you millionaire they stingy closed hand

>>5527859
No it means now you have more money to spend on something that actually matters.

>>5527865
This. Duh.

>>5527859
No, that's just hoarderfag cope

Video games are an entertainment experience. You're supposed to have a physical copy of the game, and ideally a copy of the instruction manual to know juuuuust the right amount of information about the game prior to playing it.

If you play a game using a ROM then that totally changes things. It's no longer an entertainment experience. It's just some challenge to be beaten using save states, until you quickly move on to the next game. No reward. No nothing.

Original hardware or bust.

No one says this. It's if you can't afford flash carts that you're a poorfag.

>>5527865
Right. And the space it all takes up could be used for other things. I'm happy with a PC connected to a good quality display and a comfortable controller. All that box and manual stuff can live on the internet and occasionally my PC.

>>5527859
No, but still playing those games you aren't buying/renting/borrowing does. You don't make the rules except for yourself, and your own rules say "I canz playz this shit for freez, dayum nigga! fuck tha poleece!"

No, it could also mean you're either a youngfag who wasn't around during retro times, or a guy who didn't take care of his games during college years.

>>5527890
PDF copies of most game manuals are one internet search away.

Whether or not to use save states is up to your choice and your willpower. I have not save-scummed a game since I was a teenager in the early 2000s. Occasionally, I will use a save state in a game with a password system where I just don't want to bother with memorizing them.

In addition to all that I have long released myself of any obligations to play games the "intended" or "right" way because there is no such agreed upon thing. I play my way.

>>5527894
Outdated belief system that has little usage in the 21st century. How many youtube videos did you watch this month with pirated content? How many images have you viewed on 4chan which included pirated content? Why are you worried only about retro video game piracy yet pirate every other media at every turn?

>image copyright WWE. I do not own the rights to this image.

>>5527901
I sold several games in college to afford gas money to go home and see my parents every other weekend. I do not regret that, and I also have no desire to get them back. What good would they have done for me to sit on a shelf for the last ten years? The only games I have done that with are games my parents bought me for Christmas and birthdays. The yard sale and thrift store stuff I've long ebay'd years ago to fund things like building my PC (something which I can't just download).

>>5527892
Flash carts are nice and I own one, but there are many types of games where their use is either impossible or inconvenient. I use emulators and RetroArch most of the time now since I've played most of the games I want to play on the systems flash carts are available for.

>>5527859
No, but getting triggered by those who do probably does indicate that you are jealous.

>>5527990
Why would I be jealous when I have the exact same product? It's like being jealous of someone owning a blu-ray I downloaded from rarbg

>>5527910
So, no defense against the poorfag accusation then. You play games you didn't buy, rent, or even borrow from someone else who did pay.

>>5528016
How does that make me a poorfag? What if I'm just a richfag who doesn't want to spend money?

>>5528056
Sociopath.

>>5527931
Which games are impossible to use a flashcart with?

>>5528060
Shitloads of arcade games. There is progress being made tho
https://paradisearcadeshop.com/en/home/electrical/pcbs-lighting/pcbs-for-upgrading-arcade-systems/1616_darksoft-cps2-multi-kit

https://paradisearcadeshop.com/en/home/electrical/pcbs-lighting/pcbs-for-upgrading-arcade-systems/1705_darksoft-sega-stv-multigame-cartridge

>>5527931
>>5528060
I am also curious on this.

>>5528058
I find it very ironic that you are making the argument that a wealthy person ought to spend money frivolously on video games because they are not a "poorfag". Because that is exactly the kind of thinking actual poorfags have. Actual rich people are very frugal and would find it absurd to pay money for something you can get for free, even if it's technically "illegal". That's another poorfag thing, being so worried about the letter of the law.

>>5528060
"impossible" is a poor phrasing. What I meant was "currently no flashcart exists for this system".

>>5528108
>you are making the argument that a wealthy person ought to spend money frivolously on video games because they are not a "poorfag"
No I'm not.

>Actual rich people are very frugal and would find it absurd to pay money for something you can get for free, even if it's technically "illegal". That's another poorfag thing, being so worried about the letter of the law.
These are interesting interpretations of reality. You're confusing rich with jew. Poorfags do that a lot.

>>5528117
now your true colors are showing

>>5527859
yes, any further questions?

>>5527905
I always save scum because games are so broken and my computer is so fucked that already have to save every 12 minutes so I might as well be scummy in the process

>>5527859
Leave this board you faggot. Shitty bait thread.

Goddamn I'm so fucking sick of /shmupg/ faggots

Do you guys also wash your dishes in the toilet? Can't spend money on unnecessary water, right?

>>5528117
Based. Jews don't use their wealth to make the economy healthy, quite the opposite.

Hoarding money just to keep multiplying it with no endgame is what gives capitalism a bad name. If you truly enjoy old videogames and have the money to spare, there's no reason to not buy them.

>>5527859
posting that picture also makes you a faggot

>>5528275
Why not buy clone systems and repro cartridges then?

>>5527890
That's just like, your opinion, man.
>>5527859
No, but 4chan is probably one of the most cliquey places in existence and that's considering Reddit is literally just comprised of cliques.

>>5528151
You do you man, it doesn't negatively impact any of us.

>>5528265
I honestly wash my dishes in the bathtub at the same time as my clothes. I've never calculated it but I know I've saved thousands by now

>>5527859
No. Being born in a trailer park from a mother who's also your sister did that.

>>5528261
which side of this are they on?

>>5528265
Spending money on clean water is a necessary purchase you absolute brainlet

>>5528002
Then why do you bother to complain about them? Perhaps not jealous of the items themselves, but rather the fact that they indicate the person (presumably) has enough disposable income to spend it on toys.

>>5528752
I don't complain about people buying things, I complain about people calling me a poorfag for not buying things.

>>5528735
Not sure what their angle is here, they're against people buying things because "durr le consume consume consume yes I just saw fight club", but also they go "durr if u dont have the original cabinet forged in middle earth made from the blood of Ikeda himself your scores aren't worth anything"

>>5528756
Pretty sure most of the shmup players on /vr are MAMEkids.

>>5528758
*/shmupg/ and they don't play games. Hell those idiots take it as a point of pride they don't actually play, saying anyone who plays longer than an hour is an addicted zoomer doomer or whatever

>>5528761
Most of them are British, aren't they?

>>5528765
Well they claim to be, who knows what's actually real. They also claim to be experts at a genre they "love", yet despise anyone who puts time in and don't even play for score

>>5528775
They're probably the same pricks from arcade otaku

>>5527890
I basically agree with this anon, but roms can be fun, convenient, and cheap. Not to mention the archival factor on a whole.

I say play roms for economic reason or if it's necessary, but aim for real hardware if possible or at least for games your passionate about. It really does make the experience that much more whole to use the original controller and CRT screen the game was designed for.

>>5528817
Of course you'd agree with him, you're him

>>5528819
Well you're not wrong on a religious level

>>5527890
this is the most autistic shit ever. dude, you're still playing the game and experiencing the entertainment if it's a rom. unless it runs like shit and slow it's still mostly the same thing.

>>5528825
It's mostly the same, but you're benefited in a variety of subtle ways that are worth seeking out if you're gonna put a lot of time into it.

>>5528827
The subtle ways you are referring to are a load hokey bullshit. Video games are not that fucking special.

Getting pretty tired of the troll routine 5528834 has

>>5528835
I'm not trolling. From reading this thread you now have to deal with the notion that the idiotic "emulator users are poorfags" argument never held any water to begin with. The fun of -your- trolling attempts at calling everyone who disagrees with your mindset as nothing more than poorfags has been sapped away.

>>5528860
But I'm not even the guy who made that argument? Do you seriously not understand how to use this site?

>>5528754
>I complain about people calling me a poorfag for not buying things
that you still use anyway and are not essential for life

>>5527859
In my country, people put insane prices on retro games so I have no choice but to emulate. Might be getting a flashcart because the consoles themselves aren't too expensive.

>>5529189
You have the choice not to play games you can't afford, but you refuse to make that choice. Don't say "I have no choice".

>>5529198
Most retro games are out of print and sold used. I swear a sizeable portion of vr is manchidlren that take pride over the most petty things.

>>5529207
>Most retro games are out of print and sold used.
So what?

>>5529198
When I said insane prices, I literally meant insane. i'm not spending half my salary on games just because of strangers on the internet telling me to.

>>5529217
Nobody's forcing you to play those games.

>>5529223
But I want to.

>>5529226
OK, you're a sociopath.

>>5529228
Think whatever you want to think. I'm still going to emulate and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>>5529236
Right, literally the things a sociopath would say.

>>5529240
If that's what you think, rock on, dude.

>>5529243
>The rules don't apply to me
>Doesn't matter what anyone thinks
>I'm going to do whatever I want
>I'm making this choice consciously with no regrets
Checks out

>>5529248
Good for you, my man.

>>5529251
Sure, self-awareness is a thing of mine. These days it's not so common.

>>5529257
You said it bro.

>>5529257
"DUDE. You're such a sociopath for bot buying a marked up copy of a used game that doesn't benefit the developer and only the reseller."
This post reeks of virgin

>>5529271
>reseller
Ooh, evil. The guy that paid for the game. Fuck that guy. What a dick.

If u like games just game the fuck on however you like best

>>5529376
Based

>>5527893
whatever helps you sleep at night

>>5529223
Nobody's forcing him not to play those 20+ year old games either.
Didn't think of that, did you, bizarro moralfag got?

>>5529240
I'm downloading the games as we speak, and forcing young children to play the games.
What are you going to do about it retrogameplaying police?
Hahahahahahahahahaha

My sticker collection takes up a couple boxes but I keep them in storage and use flash carts because I'd be embarrassed to have them out. My bookcases are filled with books.

>>5529275
Yes, fuck that guy.
If he's not selling it for less than the original price, then he's lying about the utility he got out of the game.
The only way it shouldn't be a 1/5th or more of the original price is if it's still in its original package and never been unsealed, then it's special because it's rare and contains air in it from 1997.
Otherwise the reseller is a faggot, and should get stabbed in the dick.

>>5529240
Staggering how you moved on from "poorfags" to "sociopaths" in order to continue to rationalize your insanity. The brainwashing is real.

>>5527859
It's a pretty good indicator that you're a poorfag, and it confirms that you're a casual.

>>5527859
>He doesn't throw 800% retail markups on Ebay for games and consoles that "have only been opened once for testing purposes"
I can't even imagine being poor, honestly. I don't know how a person could live like that.

>>5529518
>lying about the utility he got out of the game
Who the fuck advertises "the utility they got out of the game"? Is that even 5% of the ebay listings you spot in the wild?

>>5529574
Sociopathy is the explanation for this
>>5528056
>What if I'm just a richfag who doesn't want to spend money?

Did that really stagger you? Every poorfag wishes they had the money to afford buying games, unless "free games" helps them feel perfectly satisfied being poor.

>brainwashing
The irony. Modern degenerate internet society has brainwashed everyone into believing that everything is free as long as you can get your hands on it and get away with it. People have gotten used to that. They like it, so they believe it. And some brainwash themselves further by coming up with secondary excuses to justify it and even make it seem like the righteous thing to do. Yes, the brainwashing really is real.

>>5529690
So are you going to stop using 4chan and youtube? They're both pillars of the modern internet society and feature non-stop copyright violations. You can hardly find a thread on this site which doesn't have some kind of unlicensed use and reproduction of official artwork.

>>5529712
Copyright law is somewhat lenient. Most of what you see here and on Youtube is legal even without explicit permission from the rights holder. There are obvious infractions on both, but it's not the majority of the content.

Downloading full romsets is a different story, it's not like some freeware bundle where express rights have been granted to use them at no cost. There is no blanket public domain or "abandonware" argument because every video game ever made is still covered unless copyright was expressly given up by the rights holder, thanks to good old Sonny Bono. Everything about it is not permitted under international copyright law.

>>5529769
>Most of what you see here and on Youtube is legal even without explicit permission from the rights holder.
This is not true and is flimsy rationalization no more legal than the old fashioned argument about owning roms only for back-up purposes. When you upload a copyrighted image or video to 4chan you are illegally distributing that material in the public. And when you illegally download an image that has been distributed in this manner you're committing a crime there too. It's absurd, and no one in a thousand years is ever going to be arrested for downloading 30 year old game art, but it's still illegal.

>>5529690
I pay for new games so more new games get made. Suckers pay for old games that the devs/publishers dont get a cent for.

>>5530065
Except what I said is true. Most of what you see here is legal. 4chan is primarily an imageboard by name, yes, but discussion is still the main content on this and many other boards. Many images, if not most, are either OC, parody, critique, etc. If we're looking at intent, and we should, most people don't come to 4chan looking to download copyrighted material en masse to store permanently, same with the other example, Youtube.

The whole purpose of downloading a single rom or a whole romset is to possess that data without authorization and use it however you like. There is no secondary purpose or "whoops, somebody included something they shouldn't have in this rom and now here I am looking at it". It's the rom itself.

So no, I will not stop using 4chan or Youtube, to answer the actual question that was asked. I will also not justify what other people choose to post on either site. Even if roms were some kind of incidental download as part of some website that served up data, what you do with it once it's on your hard drive or in ram or whatever takes intent on your part to interact with. It's not some pop-up webm of a film clip or deep-fried maymay somebody used to spice up the conversation.

>>5530194
And what do you think of people who would call you the sucker, and just wait until games become out of print so they can use the same justification you do to play them for free later? Not that it's some widespread issue, but this is the scenario you're enabling here.

>>5530235
Hypocrite

>>5530296
Look at all the copyright infringement in this post you just made, I came here just to download it for later.

>>5529690
Do you pay more than the original price for a Honda civic built 20 years ago?
No, it diminished in value over that time.
Buying used games is no different, it's an artificial market that benefits no one, and the law is wrong about IP in this manner.
That's why Nintendo can't make a full replica NES or SNES and sell the cartridges for the original value, they aren't worth that in the market.
So yes, the resellers should be stabbed in the dick, and if you've ever resold something in that manner, I hope you get stabbed in the dick.

>>5530246
Man you have a really troubled mind.>>5530246

>>5530235
This is just plain wrong.