/vr/ - Retro Games

Here's a good thread about it
>>/vr/thread/S5425064
I really disagree with you about the soundfront being janky, many of the SMW sounds have stuck with me and I still think they sound great. Timeless.

>>5526029
>Why does it get the level of praise it gets?
Nostalgia, like 99% of retro games. I find most Mario games to be tame and uninspired with the exception of the original Mario 2 for NES.

>>5526048
>original Mario 2
The original Mario 2 is Lost Levels

>>5526052
Whatever, Lost Levels is at least challenging so throw it on the list too.

>>5526029
>It was very rushed and a lot of features were cut.
doesn't feel like that when playing it, especially at the time of release
>It's laughably easy
I'll give you that.
>The soundfont is pretty janky
the sound design and music are both amazing
>graphics look fine but are incredibly simplistic
I guess that's true but they are still well designed which is what matters most.

I think you're missing a few things, like how amazing the physics and controls feel even by today's standards. I honestly can't name a platformer with controls this tight and precise.
You also have to consider the mountain of custom levels that are being made for the game which you can play on real hardware. The difficulty of these levels really show off how good the game plays and controls.

Not a big mystery, different people like different things.

>>5526042
>SOUL world map that actually felt like a big interconnected world.
this. I've never felt so compelled to progress in a platformer because of how charming and magical the world seemed.

>>5526029
It's very approachable, it doesn't ask too much from you, and it doesn't have frustrating parts. That goes a long way.

>>5526042
man I love this manual so much

it has some of the best controls in a 2d platformer, and what if it's easy? the levels are fun to play through (inb4 lol flying) and the cape is broken but it is so damn fun to use.

The sheer number of secret levels, and how they weren't so easy to get that they weren't really secrets but not so hard that you needed to buy a guide.

I loved the secret pathways, secret levels, and the game mechanics.

The boss fights were cool too.

>>5526029
Stop making insincere posts.

>>5526029
I think the nice art style/graphics help the game to be remembered well a lot. Also, being easy is a good feature for most normies mind you. So you can kind of get the idea of people who like this game a lot. Either that or just nostalgia.

>>5526061
>I think you're missing a few things, like how amazing the physics and controls feel even by today's standards.
This. I'm much more of a SMB3fag, but I'll gladly grant that SMW is the best feeling Mario game in terms of the controls.

>>5526029
Why does SMB3's walk cycle have more frames than SMW?

>>5526029
SNES music doesn't use soundfonts or MIDI

>>5526029
The fine input granularity just feels good. It's something missing from many modern games, where pushing buttons activates an animations you're stuck watching.

>>5526052
That wasn't kept in Japan just because it was too difficult. That level pack just wasn't impressive by 1987 when everything had mapper chips.

>>5526213
Mario 3 levels are way too shrt. I like to enjoy a bit of flow before it's over.

>>5526271
>Mario 3 levels are way too shrt
Granted. With 3 it's more of a quantity vs. quality thing if you by length, by the levels are still well designed and power-ups and music are great.

>>5526029
Its a bretty gud game, and its also my favourite 2d mario. But only a retarded onions-fueled nintendo fanboy wearing nostalgia glasses would call it one of the best games ever.

Its got ugly tiles and a horrible sound fobt that sounds like yoshis dry muffled farts.
Its extremely short and 75 % of the levels aren't challenging.
Still a great game, but could be much better

There's almost no variety except the occasional ghost house with some annoying gimmick

>>5526042
>>>/vr/thread/S5425064
>"I agree its bullshit, i mean yeah some levels can be flown over, but cape still takes more skill than lots of kids had, and by the point someone has discovered they can fly indefinitely when unobstructed by timing dpad presses they're probably past finding the platforming along the ground a challenge too."
what a fucking retard, the cape is an intuitive and natural discovery, and any dipshit can pinpoint the spot where you are clearly supposed to learn to fly

that said, that thread was full of soul. I could practically feel the posters tearing up with that christmas post. Hits you right in the gut

I love how violent the first super mario world boss is, I always thought that was a gnarly introduction, and then you immediately get the cape and who isn't hooked by then?

>>5526550
it looks great

>>5526590
The bg is nice, but the wall tiles are ugly ans used in almost every cave level. In Mario 3 there were way more unique water enemies and tiles

>>5526029
>The graphics look fine but are incredibly simplistic by SNES standards, it looks closer to an NES game than a lot of the games that would come after on the same platform.

wow I wonder why that is

idiot

>>5526029
fyi things being better than something doesn't make that thing bad

I do truly believe that Super Mario Bros. 3 was the best SMB game of all time, including the 3D ones.

theyre 2 different genres. Mario world has more in common with mario usa than mario 3

>>5526550
The biggest problem with powerups in SMW vs SM3 is that the good ones are so easy to get in SMW (even without unlocking the secret area). My recollection is that most of the time, a mushroom is something you're more likely to try and avoid than appreciate. "Oh shit, I just lost my spare feather/flower and now only have a mushroom." It's pretty rare to be small mario and excited about getting a mushroom.

But generally speaking that is a fairly minor complaint.

>>5526029
t. a zoomer who took "Video Game Philosophy" as his first course in college

>>5526103
>the cape is broken but it is so damn fun to use.
This. They created a great mechanic at the cost of being able to use it to cheese a tonoerfghn nbgfrew22213

>>5526708
>tonoerfghn nbgfrew22213
This guys cat makes a really good point

>>5526029
The bigger question is where did all the sudden negativity about this game come from when from the time of its release and for the next ten years there was never a negative sentiment about it? It's not my favorite Mario, but hating on this game was never a thing until recently.

>>5526868
Resurgence in bad indie platformers that need to pretend there is a reason for new 2D platformers to be created when the genre has already been perfected and any sane person would just play the already perfect 2D platformers and seek novelty in their life elsewhere.

>>5526550
>still not including the lakitu cloud as a SMW powerup
yawn

It's just fun to play.

>>5526868
The internet generates contrarianism. People need to have "hot opinions", etc.

>>5526029
>laughably easy
Are we including the Warp Levels here? I could never clear Totally Tubular, nor could anyone I knew

>>5526261
The fine polish in SMW's controls is what makes it stand out and prevail in time as a classic. However, I also think the game is elegantly designed in both visuals and sounds.
>>5526550
this memepic keeps getting more and more cherrypicky.

>>5526951
I'll have to try it again, I don't remember finding it all that hard when I played it in the 90s. By the time I got there I'd mastered the controls pretty well.

>>5527216
>this memepic keeps getting more and more cherrypicky.
how so? it's a biased argument but the points are all true.

>>5526550

>The "secret area" isn't well hidden at all and can be found within minutes of playing

You technically can, just like you can beat Morrowind in 5 minutes if you know how. No shit secrets aren't secrets if you know where they are.

>>5527240
What points? He deliverately chooses not to include the lakitu cloud as a SMW powerup, despite adding Kuribo on SMB3.
On the tiles he's including cutscene tiles for SMB3, etc.
I still think both are great games and I love SMB3 equally, just think that comparison image is really pointless in the end, it's just biased, not true.

>>5526042
Neat. Haven't had that manual since I was a kid. I forgot that sunken ship was "from" smb3 what a fun tie in

The world sprites are so ugly

>>5527583
How? they're fucking charming.

>>5527586
Spiny looks cool at least

>>5526550
>yoshi's tongue isnt an ability
>kuribos shoe, which appears in exactly one level, is a powerup
>stupid blocks in the background is variety and content

>>5527583
How old are you?

>>5527583
Your face is a world sprite

>>5528020
I preorderd Mario 3 in toys r us

>>5526550
>deliberately ignores the part where World has an interconnected naturally occurring world map with the only out of place areas being Star World and Special
>deliberately ignores World's mini-games, numerous hidden exits, Star World as well as Special's existence
>ignores the sky, lakeside, cliff, bridge, sunken ship, and Switch Palace environments
>ignores Yoshi's tongue also counting as a "power-up", Mario's Spin Jump that was introduced here, and Lakitu cloud
>ignores the part where the actual secret areas of the game are Star World, Special, and Soda Lake
Yeah this totally wasn't made by a biased faggot.

>>5526678
So much this. It introduced so many original, likeable concepts to the series. SM64 was the closest Nintendo ever got to capturing that magic again.

>>5526708
Anon... are... are you okay?

>>5527583
To this day I don't know what they were thinking when they designed the SMW Goomba. I really don't.

>>5526029
Mario World 2 was better. but both are 10/10s

>>5526052
Unless he says it as スーパーマリオブラザーズ2 He's talking about the 1988 game

>>5526105
Beating the star world as soon as possible so that the entire rest of the game is set in fall.

>>5528715
>Oh no it's biased! Mommy save me!

>>5529078
>this inaccurate chart that discredits an excellent game should go fully uncontested
Please kys at your earliest convenience.

>>5529086
make your own chart, faggot.
Or just make your points without being a little bitch baby.

>>5528741
It's not a goomba. It's a variation of a goomba, like how there's jumping piranha plants instead of normal ones, and upright koopa troopas that pop out of their shells instead of quadrupedals. What do you mean you "don't know what they were thinking"? Why would you say such a dumb fucking thing?

>>5529384
Its called goomba in the manual and credits

I like how the secret areas lead to more levels, as opposed to just being short cuts that lead only to power ups and lives.
>>5526550
There are ice levels, though.

>>5526708
Looks like anon had a stroke.

>>5526029
The state of /vr/

My favorite game of all time. The controls are perfect. It had a great atmosphere that was a good middleground between boring Mario 1 and cartoonish Yoshi's island. The levels varied and the game is fairly long if you go for all the exits. I find it too easy as most, so i just let all the powerups go by and beat it with small Mario. The effects sounds are perfect. The music is great, even though its all sort of the same. The bad guys are well thought out and plenty of different kinds. Only gripes are the colors are a little boring sometimes (Yoshi's island was better at this, even though I don't like the game as much). And too easy.

I really wish they made a SMW2 that was just like SMW but with different levels. Not that Yoshi's island bs.

>>5529078
You've been posting that shit for years, and you keep adding biased content as time goes on. Naturally you'll get called out bud.
Both 3 and World are masterpieces.

>>5528741
The difference between the goombas and the galoombas is that you can pick up them once you jump on them, and use them as throwable weapons. They also do look like chestnuts, which is what they were going for too.