/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[4-20] Plastic Doom releaed
https://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/addons/shinemaps-specular-maps-for-original-doom-textures

[4-19] NBlood updated
https://github.com/nukeykt/NBlood/releases/tag/v1.01

[4-17] Grezzo Due 2 revealed
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105657-grezzodue-2-has-been-revealed-to-the-public/

[4-16] RemasterSFX repackaged in .wad format for maximum compatibility. With some bonus goodies.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105645-remastersfx-in-wad-format/

[4-13] Pandemonia updated to 1.1.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60984

[4-13] NULL: Face to Face 3 map demo
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=59100&sid=a0e472434de5d8d24ed0e2aad72aa4ed&start=15#p1099526

[4-8] MetaDoom updated to v5.3
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&sid=02bf2fae2438f0dcd3b36503f87ae744&start=1545#p1098655

[4-7] GZDoom 4.0 formally released, with alpha Vulkan support
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64188

[4-7] 'Doom with Sprinkles' 1.0
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=64173

[4-4] New vanilla mapping trick allows for voodoo doll conveyor belts
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105364-did-you-know-you-can-make-a-voodoo-conveyor-belt-in-vanilla-doom/

[4-2] Switcher-Heretic project looking for mappers, remaking levels in Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105315-community-project-switcher-heretic/

[4-1] Plutonia 3 announced as an actual thing, not an April Fool's
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105326-plutonia-3-boom-compatible-megawad/

[3-30] BloodGDX author binds his Blood, Tekwar, and Witchaven ports together as BuildGDX
https://m210.duke4.net/index.php/downloads/download/8-java/53-buildgdx

[3-26] SM194 for Q1 released; 14 maps each on a 64 unit grid
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61702

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>>5519054
I love that image

SIGIL WHEN?

>>5519054
That's fucking hilarious.

I started making a doom map, I tried to come up with a clever way for the progression to loop back to an earlier point after a series of rooms of different variety but the whole thing still feels linear and simple.

Isn't there already a Grezzo 2? What the fuck is going on?

So there's a Screenshot Saturday, but what about a WebM Wednesday? Might be interesting what everyone is playing.

>>5519180
That caco

>>5519054
whats the best way to play heretic nowaday? gzdoom?

>>5519240
That's what I use.

>>5519143
It's a great idea. Use this thread: >>5516148

"app" framework finally taking shape. Gotta make the list dynamic and scrollable though.

It feels really cool having a spotlight follow the cursor for some reason.

>>5519054
I like the refodemon.

>>5519289
cool

>>5519289
system shock? noice

>>5519130
this is the second grezzo 2

>>5519349
>grezzo 2 2
It works I guess.

>>5519289
That's pretty sweet

>>5519349
So how many are there? And what are their names, in order?

Just played through Quake's mod "The Unforgiven". Very underrated I think. It was fantastic.

What's /vr/Doom's take on the Cacowards?

>>5519130
Nicola Piro (Grezzo's creator) chose not to release the first one publicly because it had a lot of injokes that only his high school classmates at the time would've been able to decipher.

I think Doom 2 is a better game than Doom

>>5519701
Well anon you know what they say about opinions.

>>5519701
I think Doom 1 is slightly better just for map design, but Doom 2 has enough good levels to be playable, and it introduces a lot of new different monsters which opens up a lot of neat possibilities for encounters, which have been very useful for the past decades.

Also, the Super Shotgat is lovely, even if it's kind of misunderstood.

>>5519701
Why

With MetaDoom's future update, i could try and see if there's some changes needed for that Pastebin file.
>Options in menus with different names
>That face in the difficulty screen is gone temporarily
>Player sprites
I still don't know the sounds for the Revenant's homing rocket, Summoner's alert sound and Beholder.

>>5519509
Cool, I'll check it out. I just finished Dissolution of Eternity last night, so I'll give that a go.

>>5519514
They're a thing. I check them out every year to see if there's anything interesting that I've missed.

Sometimes I disagree with them, sometimes I think they're right.

>>5519753
I think the problem with the SSG is it's generally given too early. It should be handed out in later levels like other powerful weapons.

>>5519804
Yeah, putting it in Underhalls was a mistake from a balancing standpoint. On the other hand, I guess they wanted to make sure everyone would notice and get the cool new gun.

Which kind of reinforces my belief that Doom 2 should really have been divided up into like three episodes, like the original game.

>>5519701
While I prefer E1 over Doom 2, I personally think E2 and E3 are overrated.
Many of the Tom Hall maps are just a bunch of random rooms incoherently strung together, with painfully average gameplay. Sandy Petersen's own levels are a bit more creative, but can be hit or miss gameplay-wise.

>>5519804
I always feel like it should've been secret only until Map07.

>>5519509
any other underrated quake episodes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcS6xl350zQ

>>5519846
What time?

>>5519851
now

So I downloaded Quake from the OP (using quakespasm) but the music is not working. Everywhere I look (google, forums,etc), I am not seeing a solution that has worked.

I have the format correct, all the files are in the correct location, I have tried toggling external music from off to on, nothing works.

Is there something I'm missing?

>>5519754
I like the levels more and super shotgun. The thing I hated the most about Doom was going up against pic fucking related and having no good weapon. A shotgun takes forever to kill them and I would die a lot. In Doom 2 that never happens cause you have your super shotty. Oh and this >>5519825

>>5519902
Yeah but you have rockets and plasma.

>>5519910
Yeah when you have them. Like 80% of the time I had nothing but pistol/shotgun and chaingun. At least in Doom 2 you're always ready to go up against them.

>>5519913

youre really bad.

>>5519701
i disagree

The tutorial map for prodoomer has a giant forest with nothing on it, why?

>>5519971
Yeah I know

diving face first into quake mapping
i think i have a promising career ahead of me

Anyone know of any DOOM maps where the completion counter goes above 100 percent? We're discussing it in another thread.

>>5520038
Icon of Sin

>>5520000
cool fuckin digits

>>5520039
Thank you froind

>>5520013
Admitting you're bad is the first step to getting better. As long as you enjoy the game, don't give up.

>>5520045
wasn't even intentional believe it or not

the universe itself must believe that doom 2 is inferior

>>5520048
Sauce?

>>5520072
Not him but Animahjong

>>5519863
IIRC, quakespasm says to name them track002 and so on, which is incorrect. They need to be named track02 and so on.

>>5520026
I actually chuckled when I noticed the difficulty label.

For Quake custom maps that don't have music, do you guys ever put in your own?

>>5520126
I sometimes substitute tracks from Trent Reznor's free album "Ghosts". A lot of them have that Quake-y vibe.

>>5520126
since custom maps usually don't play any of the more "exciting" bits of the soundtrack, I prefer the silence while exploring. makes things more desolate

>>5520171
If they some day ever revisit the setting and concepts of the original game, they gotta get Reznor involved with the sound design or something.

>>5520214
why is he so low rez

>>5520274
he gets around

>>5519054
>>5519057
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=64411
> hexen style hub level set for heretic by Jimmy
> new items and monsters + hexen monsters

>>5520310
>>5520214
What wad is this?

>>5520269
Man I never liked that hand, it's so misshapen looking

UAC Labs is pretty shit innit

>>5520345

>>5519825
romerofag detected

go crawl up his arse, and keep praising his halfbaked b maps like a good goyim,

>try to load hunters moon deathmatch for shits and giggles
>Actually don't work and weapons do no damage

I'm actually kinda mad.

>>5520391
Romero was by far the best level designer.

>>5520391
Explain how they are half baked. Do not use any buzzwords or personal bias

>>5520395
Zanieon explained in the mod's wiki that they doesn't do damage to avoid redundancy with the source games: https://doom-hunters-moon.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Weapons

>Due the way the weapons are coded in the mod, they never hurt the players at all, even if Deathmatch gamemode is enabled, preventing the mod from being playable in PvP Modes. On this case, the mod would have redudant purpose with Quake 3 and Quake Live themselves.

Forgot to say it but in the PS1 maps on Consolation Prize, the factory from Doom 2 has it where you can get stuck in that room with imps where if you press a switch you'd normally have a platform make you go up and you'd find a soulsphere.

>>5519514
a list of opinions, some i agree with and some i don't

anyone who thinks they're anything more is fucking retarded

>>5519514
I think they're fun. They can shine a spotlight on some maps I might have missed.

>>5520416

Well shit. The more you know.

>>5520171
>>5520173
Cool, I usually put in Lustmord, or a couple of the Quake Champions tracks I enjoy, like Blood Covenant, The Netherworld, or Realm of Black Magic. I used Descent into Cerberon for Area 32 though.

>>5520416
Dude, the guy who made Hunters Moon is such a fucking faggot.

He comes here sometimes and bitches about his mod like he's this gift from God, then he contradicts himself and says that he's not worth any praise.

At one point he said something like, "I'm not worth any extra praise compared to other modders but I would say that my mod is better than a lot of peoples mods. People never appreciate the work I put into Hunters Moon and it makes me mad when I see mods that had less work put into them succeed." Not going to lie, that's probably 90% accurate.

The living example of a humble brag.

>>5520535
Tired of eeking and ooking about Kayla so you've come here to spread your cancer, faggot?

>>5520535
Kinda sure he just messed up with his english again, if you observe him on ZDoom's Discord, sometimes he does that but later recognizes he messed up, i've seen he doing that by mentioning Kegan out of nothing and Wildweasel questioned him about it, he said sorry later for that.

Not sure about it here, but for the most times i've seen him here, he wasn't that much stupid as you describe.

>>5520535
i have never seen anything like you have described, ever

>>5520535
lol shut the fuck up

Imagine a KH keyblade in Doom that was even themed after Doom and based off the keycards

>>5519054
Ok so I'm really new at this. I'm trying to play a custom episode in Duke Nukem 3D (Metropolitan Mayhem) using EDuke32.

Do I load each map individually in user levels? Or is there a way to get the full episode to appear in the Episode select on the menu?

ZDF down for anyone else?

>>5519054
ZDL means what? And why is there none none for Quake 1-3, the Build Engine games, nor Unreal Engine 1?

>>5520694
ZDoom Loader

>>5520615
Nevermind, figured it out. Sorry, like I said brand new to this.

>>5520535

>>5514978
To the guy in the last thread who made a first level for a megawad, here's a demo I recorded: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bT3IctD3CD1MaWfI2n-YiOGXVT1g4DJ-/view?usp=sharing

It has a voice recording inside of it that could be listened to with this fork of PRBoom (though the demo works without it): https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/96894-my-prboom-build-with-in-demo-voice-recording-support-and-something-extra/

Map was good. It makes sense that you'd call it a first map in a megawad because it's really gentle, even though I die from a trap that I should have seen coming a mile away. That arch-vile fight was a surprising jump in tension given how little there was over the map, especially because it's in an area with awkward cover. Otherwise, the map is good and competent in gameplay and visual style. Sorry for thinking this was your first map - I misremembered that it's your first map in the megawad, not overall. Also, sorry for the little voice break in the demo - I had to alt-tab out to turn off night-light mode in Windows.

Thanks for making this map.

>>5520694
there's one for id tech called simple quake launcher
https://github.com/m-x-d/Simple-Quake-Launcher-2
for build games I dont know, I dont really play build games aside from the usual blood playthrough

>>5520694
https://www.quaddicted.com/tools/quake_injector
never tried it but this is a thing

>>5520694
>none none

Do you just mean mod loaders or content in the OP?

>>5520823
>none none
OOPS

>tfw Quake 3 is fun
>mfw hiting trick shots with the railgun

Bummer my friend doesn't want to play it with me because of some weird lag on his mouse.

>>5520853
Why doesn't Quake III Arena multiplayer work on source ports anymore?

>>5520861

But... it works? I set up a local server and joined a random one in ioquake3. Didn't even portfowarded my router. Did you instal the test build they recommend on their wiki?

>>5520078

Right, I should have said all my files were already labeled track.02 and so on.

I tried playing around with the settings again but nothing. I'm probably going to try updating my sound driver because I'm sure its never been updated.

>>5520853
wish I could play a quake game in good shape.

im sick of joining games in QC with +100 latency and my own hitbox and rockets fucking me over. it's like everyone's playing visor even when they aren't.

>>5520853
/vr/ should set up deathmatch nights for some of the less popular games
there were a few people playing Blood multiplayer with GDX last year, it was fun

So why has Quake mapping seen a revival over the past couple years? What changed? Was it Quake Champions giving the franchise modern exposure, or was there some big breakthrough, or something else?

>>5520993
My uneducated guess would be that Arcane Dimensions sparked it

>>5520993
trenchbroom

>>5514978
>>5520781
Thanks demoanon for bringing this to my attention. Added to the pastebin.

>>5520171
>ghosts
top taste

>>5520345
>music from Frank Klepacki & David Arkenstone

>>5520694
UE1 runs fine as is, just get the community 227i patch.

>>5520345
>heretic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91w6Q2tytLc

>>5521195
tren hard

>>5520345
You know what might be neat? Redistributing heretic weapons into hexens characters in a balanced way. And integrating the monsters...
Then redoing the levels to contain actual puzzles and not switch hunts, but keeping the general themes and story the same... Maybe some new texture variants...
Yeah...

someone post the gain elemental comic please

>>5521329

>>5521329
jesus fuck I've searched through everything but I know what you're talking about
>>5521352
ok ty

>>5521354
>tfw doom folder too big

>>5521352
thank you

I'm still so hyped up for Sigil. Second week of may can't come fast enough.

Did youtube just recommend an HDoom video to a lot of people?

>>5519825
I think that open mountain level or whatever that's in E3 is cool. Also E3M1 is really fun for me even fighting the cacaodemon with a pistol. Still one of my favorites.

>>5520993
I don't know but I just played through the Unforgiven mod again. This mod is fucking fantastic holy shit. I just wish it were longer. It's only 3 levels but they're enormous and all very open. Completely non-linear feeling, a shitload of enemies and new enemies that aren't tanks, tons of new weapons that are actually fun and original, a shitload of new powerups that are extremely fun, and bosses. Levels 1 and 3 are the best. Level 3 decides to throw a ton of new powerups for you to use in the last 5 minutes that let you steam through mobs of enemies and fly and all that with actually good original music. I really want to recommend this after having just played it.

https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/unforgiven.html

>>5520694
SDL works for Quake but not quite the same as ZDL. Really ZDL is the best. EDuke32 is the closest you'll get to that for Build games once you figure out how to use it correctly. But no, there isn't a catch-all mod loader for DOS FPS games. Maybe you could write us one...

Descent source port, which one is recommended?

Right now I think DXX Rebirth is the right one and I got the latest nightly build from 2018.

>>5521428
You getting playthrough videos from ZTR BG in your recommendations too? Been getting them a lot in the last couple days.

>>5521428
Man I just got TikToks and half-hour Kerbal tech demos. How'd you got porn recommended on YouTube?

>>5521648
dxx rebirth for sp, dxx retro for mp

>>5521656
He's probably talking about Gggmanlives' review on it. I still get that fucking all the time as well

>>5520941

It would be hella cool for you guys. I can't join because HUE BR.

>>5520885

RIP in Peace. +100 is unplayable.

>>5521428
YouTube's algorithm is autistic.
>get linked the old Violence Jack OVAs
>We noticed you're interested in [RAPE], and [SEXUAL VIOLENCE], therefore we would like to reccommend you videos about ["I Spit On Your Grave"]
Yeah, thanks Google, that's what I fucking want to see advertised to me when I'm eating breakfast, nothing like starting your day with some human suffering, who doesn't want to feel like shit in the morning?

>>5521807
At this point I just block every "recommended for you" video with uBlock

>>5521416
I'm happy that theres gonna be two versions of SIGIL. One where its E5, and requires GZDoom and Eternity, and another that makes it an E3 replacement so as to make it friendly with PrBoom+ for speedrunners.

>>5521814
Can't do that with my PS4, which I use for things like YouTube because it hooks right up to my TV.
Not a very good app, and Google occasionally updates it and breaks the interface.

>>5519054
I remember some threads ago that an anon said Carmack had some "techno fetish". I don't know if thats true or not. I mean, how so? Which one of Id software's post-DOOM 3 games showcased that?

>>5521828
get a chromecast senpai

>>5521875
*Adrian* Carmack might have that

>>5521892
Adrian Carmack? Where does it show?

>>5521902
The cyborgs in almost every game he was involved in

Wow, Ultimate Doom 2 stopped being fun at the same time as regular Doom 2.

>>5521687
I got this >>5521650
Which is uncensored (although ulgy-filtered) gameplay. Most comments seem to be from hours ago, talking about youtube recommending the video to them.

>>5522039
>stopped being fun
Because you play without pistolstart.

>>5522064
I couldn't imagine that being much better. Dying 20 minutes into a level with 700 enemies isn't fun to replay.

>>5521875
you may be thinking of ken scott, who was the main skin artist for quake 3 and who had a pretty recognizable style

>>5521236
Isn't that just Shadows of Cronos + weapons?

In GZDOOM the music doesnt have that heavy hitting punch, how the fuck do i fix this? If it helps the midi device is microsoft gs wavetable. i have no idea what im doing.

>>5522098
get the sc 55 packs for starters, dont know what else

>>5522098
Sounds/music may sound a bit dull and muffled if you leave resampler to "default" - it interpolates the samples same way Duke WT did at the start before getting patched.
Set resampling to nearest and get that crunchy sharp sound back.

>>5522203
How would I do that?

>>5522098
Use fluidsynth, get a good midi soundfont like weeds, store the file in the gzdoom soundfont folder and select it in the midi player options menu in gzdoom

>>5522234
http://sc55.duke4.net/

>>5519054
Please tell me that's a real romhack

>>5522203
>>5522234
>>5522238
>>5522098
Select
"OPL Emulation"
Then go into the audio settings and change the type of OPL to DosBox OPL3

This is how its always supposed to have sounded, it is the character and soul of oldstyle adlib music.

>>5522203
>>5522234
>>5522238
>>5522098
Select
"OPL Emulation"
Then go into the audio settings and change the type of OPL to DosBox OPL3

This is how its always supposed to have sounded, it is the character and soul of oldstyle adlib music.

>>5522304
should I still use the sc 55 music packs?

>>5522314
Well some people will point out that bobby prince actually recorded the doom music in sc55 but the fact is computers were expensive back then and 95% or more of the people who played these games played them using Adlib music, or worse.
Its kinda like everyone remembers Quake 1 in software mode because nobody had a graphics card back then, or they didnt have the right graphics card to show off the lighting and texture filtering.
Using sc55 you wont get the real retro experience and you wont hear any updated or new tracks in the same purview either.

Fluidsynth is "okay" but OPL is gold.
OPL is somber and creates a mood and makes you feel like you're fucked.
Fluid has more instrumentals but its also, ahem, more fluid than I think any of the other soundfonts including sc55, which reminds me more of a garage band haplessly banging on cymbals on a summer afternoon.

>>5522340
isnt it possible to use both sc 55 and OPL?

>>5521428
i'd prefer that over midnight

>>5522430
they are literally two completely different options
sc55 is a type of playback just like gus, opl, fluitsynth, or windows midi

Does UV difficulty also make the games darker? I'm replaying Ultimate Doom on UV and can't see shit.

>>5522442
how fucking hard could it possibly be to just start up a new game to check this for yourself you absolute idiot

>>5522442
no, what most likely happened is your gamma setting got reset. Hit F11 to affect gamma.

>>5520535
[citation needed]

>>5522449
ultra-violence hard. any more questions?

>>5522442
You're sure it's not source port settings?

>>5522098
im just looking for how to get my game to sound like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhCNx-8Qos that echo and shit

>>5521807
same here.
>watch patlabor ova clips
>LOL YOU WANNA SEE GORE?!1!

i wanna keep gore in my PB autoload, not in my comfy 80's anime sci-fi

>>>/wsg/2813954

After an hour or so of messing around, I've made my first ever weapon. Now I gotta figure out how to make flames in a wide radius instead of the impact origin.

>>5520885
Literally all of the problems with Quake are addressed in Quake Live. Even the bullshit with the older games is somewhat corrected. Customization is slightly toned down, but the menus are damn near perfect and getting into matches is always easy as pie.

One of the best multiplayer games ever made in my honest opinion.

>>5522483
how would you load the shells?

>>5522601
Back of the knee maybe

>>5522604
it is a possibility, i guess

>>5522531
TNT1 A 0
{
int num = 10;
double pie = 360.0/double(num);
double dist = 64.0;
for(int i = 0; i<=num;i++)
{
double rand = frandom(-16.0, 16.0);
Spawn("MyActorHere",self.pos+(cos(pie*i) * dist*rand, sin(pie*i) * dist*rand, 0), FALSE);
}
}
or something like that

>>5522616
that could go through walls
or spawn midair

>>5522616
or just
>TNT1 AAAAAAAAAA 0 A_SpawnItemEx("thing", sqrt(frandom(0,1)) * maxdist,0,0, 0,0,0, frandom(0, 360))

(the sqrt normalizes the spread so it isn't concentrated in the center)

>>5522616
>>5522632
not him but you guys might know
How do you make projectiles that can damage the owner/monster type but NOT cause inflighting.
This being like the ogre grenades in quake 1 being able to hurt ogres but they never fought each other.

I asked this already but i don't remember getting answers.
Is there any Quake port/source port/version that already has the soundtrack in the game?

>>5522704
What do you mean? If they provided the soundtrack with their port, that'd be piracy.

>>5522709
Instead of setting up the soundtrack on your own like how most people do with Quakespasm, it'd already be there
That's what i meant
>that'd be piracy.
I can see that being the case with unofficial source ports but i'm surprised id didn't even bother with it in modern releases

>>5519054
So some guy just made a raycasting game engine in Factorio. I thought it might be relevant to post here since we have a resident smart anon working on a Genesis raycasting FPS game engine as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lVAFcDX4eM&feature=youtu.be

It's really fucking cool.

>Wolf3D in Factorio

WTF is this bug with Smooth Doom and latest GZDoom 4.0.0?

>>5522812
>no

>>5522812
its probably a GZ4 bug, I dont think anything in SD can cause that

>>5522827
In 3.7.2 same shit

>>5522825
lmao

>>5522812
>>5522842
Jesus...

>>5522842
> sleeping on the job like that, in midair
It may have something to do with a flag, but as far as I know "nogravity" or "noclip" is not activated. No idea what could be causing that.
I do believe they are made non-solid.

If you havent noticed it by now then its suggesting that ever since the major graphics change its been going on (after 3.41) but just didnt notice it until this one area.

>>5522717
>I can see that being the case with unofficial source ports but i'm surprised id didn't even bother with it in modern releases
Yeah, it's really shittty they didnt even include the soundtrack.

>>5522870
It has only one flag "-NOBLOCKMAP". I tried remove it, but it didn't fix. The zombie in Beautiful Doom doesn't have any flags and works fine.

>Doom runs at 35fps
>You make it higher the speed of the game is tied to the FPS and becomes unplayable

Wow. So this is the power of the legendary Carmack programming

how do I play Doom 64 on pc?

>>5522915
Doom 64 EX. Google it

>>5522904
Yeah that one, but I dont see any reason for that flag to be there because it doesnt need to do anything unusual compared to the vanilla behavior. Might as well just remove that flag switch action.

>>5522915
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+do+I+play+Doom+64+on+pc%3F

How would look a cat meme for shinemaps?

>>5522940
has anyone been as far?

>>5522940
>How would look a cat meme
can i have that in english?

>>5522945
Not that anon. You know that picture of the cat with a bunch of filters and texture mods applied to it? He's asking for that, but with Plastic Doom.

>>5522940

>>5522961
>>5522962
i see

Guys, how do I like Doom? I'm playing it on DOS and it's just mazes and the same 5 enemies over and over. I enjoyed E1, but 2 and 3 are just killing me to finish.

>>5522725
peak autism

>>5522989
play doom 2 if you want more enemies/variety
also play a sourceport so you can have better framerate & controls

>>5519054
How long until Chilly Willy's DOOM 32X redux is complete? 4 months, 5 months, 7 months?

>>5519054
UT99, Thief 1 and 2, and both Dark Force games But with HD Texture Packs.

>>5520875
All I know is that when I try to connect to multiplayer servers on ioquake3 nothing happens.

>>5520993
Has it? I haven't noticed any difference.

>>5523067
No

>>5523062
How do you know it even exists?

>>5522915
Doom 64 GEC Master Edition is one of the most accurate recreations yet. Check it out

>>5523071
Different Engines from not only Idtech 1 and 2, but also different from Build Engine as well.

>>5521902
>>5521939
Maybe he just think it's cool?

>>5522304
Wasn't OPL that extremely weak and tinny sounding shit with no balls?

>>5523085
that wasn't even mentioned you schizo

>>5522340
>OPL is somber and creates a mood and makes you feel like you're fucked
IMO it sounds extremely dinky and kills the mood for me.

>>5522913
That was a solution to a problem you nimrod. Without the tic system, you would get WILDLY varying performance and results depending on what computer you played it on, and frequently the game would lock up and crash.

Capping it at 35fps and tying all game logic to a timer made sure that it would be consistent across computers and would run as it should. A too weak computer may get slowdown anyway, but a too strong computer won't have the game flip out and shit the bed.

recommend me some underrated shooters

>>5523221
Rise Of The Triad is criminally underrated.
Kind of a weird mutant of a first person shooter and a sidescrolling arcade shoot em up.

Imagine Wolfenstein 3D but far more gameplay depth, better and more complex level design, and with the camp and violence of Mortal Kombat. Oh yeah, and some really kickass music.

>>5523229
they had really good explosions and sound effects

>>5523229
I've been keeping an eye on this for a while. Does it have a sourceport?

>>5523240
It does somewhere, ive heard of there being one, but you can also run it under dosbox just fine. And it feels very good to run it with some kinda scanlines/crt shader.

>>5523217
At this point it would be better to up the ticrate to 120/second and then scale all the native (per35) frame lengths to match.
GZdoom is breaking compatability with all sorts of things might as well start becoming inaccurate too. They can take a poll as to which tic amount they want some frames in contention to be rounded to if they dont round evenly.
Then hit everything in dehacked patches with flat scalers.

Nobody makes demos with GZdoom so might as well.
Im okay with it, I would prefer the added precision to do realistic machinegun fire rates ~(12,13,14,15 per second).

protip: demon is hungry

>>5523256
>>5523217
I mean they could go with 140 tics per second and then hit everything native with a x5 multiplier, but I dont know how that would fare with people who have much less than 140hz.
It sure would be nice to be able to make machineguns that fired the equivalent of every 3.6 or 2.4 tics (which would be 18t or 12t respectively out of 140)

>>5523229
Alien Trilogy for MS-DOS, PS1 and Saturn
RN Rampage 1 and its expansion, Suckin' grits on route 66 for MS-DOS
Alien Ressurection for PS1.
Tekwar for MS-DOS
Shadow Warrior for MS-DOS
Doom 64
Gloom Deluxe for Amiga CD32(marginal-middling improvement over the overall mediocre first one)
Behind the Iron Gate for Amiga
Genetic Species for Amiga(ECS +AGA)
Congo for Saturn and PC
Breathless for Amiga(ECS + AGA +RTG)
Alien Breed 3D for Amiga(ECS)
Alien Breed 2 for Amiga(ECS)
Powerslave for MS-DOS and Sega Saturn
Marathon Trilogy for Macintosh
Thief 2 for Windows 98 and Macintosh
Perfect Dark For N64
Strife for MS-DOS
Bethesda Terminator Future Shock and its sequel; both for MS-DOS

>>5523279
most of these games suck dick (in a bad way) and are very reasonably rated, not underrated

>>5523256
>I would prefer the added precision to do realistic machinegun fire rates
Not gonna lie, that sounds appealing, but that would never be added back to Decorate, and I would have to learn ZScript.

>>5523240
>>5523256
The only sourceports I know of are WinROTT (DirectDraw), WinROTTGL (OpenGL), and WinROTTAPI (GDI, primarily for 64-bit Windows). All from the same person and found here http://www.riseofthetriad.dk/

>>5523301
>Suck dick in a bad way
Congo
Deathmask
>Eh
TekWar, Alien Breed 3D, Alien breed 2, Behind the Iron Gate, Gloom Deluxe
>Reasonably rated as okay-good if not great
RN Rampage 1(plus expansion), Marathon Trilogy, Strife, Genetic Species, Alien Resurrection, Powerslave, Doom 64, Perfect Dark, and Thief 1
>underrated
Breathless, Bethesda FPS Terminator games, Shadow Warrior, Thief 2, and Alien Trilogy(at least the Saturn version if not also MS-DOS version).
Also
>implying you have more than a passing knowledge of the Amiga line

>>5523279
>>5523338
How can one play Breathless without an Amiga system?

>>5523350
Emulators like Winfellow, and WINUAE

>>5523354
Thank you, anon

>>5522442
No. Besides Nightmare and ITYTD, the only major differences that difficulties do is thing placements.
ITYTD makes you recieve half damage, and double ammo. Otherwise the same as HNTR
Nightmare enables -fast* and -respawn parameters, doubles ammo, and disables cheats (though this can be bypassed in some advanced ports). Uses UV's thing placements

* = Nightmares version of Fast monsters has them attack instantly upon on spotting you, rather than taking a few steps before doing so.

>>5523279
Alien trilogy is nice from what I remember, I've never finished 3rd episode.
Does it have source port?

>>5523238
The general rocket explosion is ripped from Star Wars

>>5523569
And Star Wars ripped from real life

>>5523571
Oh, I mentioned it as an interesting bit of trivia
I wasn't criticizing

>>5523569
how do people find this shit

>>5523569
Wasn't unusual actually. I recall one of the devs of Quarantine said they took their explosion effect from a VHS copy of Battlestar Galactica.

>>5523623
Pattern recognition I assume.
Could also be that someone was playing the game while the movie was on TV, noticed something, then investigated further.
Could also be a dev outright admitting it like >>5523623

There's also resource libraries of stock effects, like the mushroom cloud explosion from Duke Nukem and friends, it came from something called Pyromania Effects or something like that, and the same explosion has been used for a lot of movies and games.

>>5523084
Doom 64 EX isn't techincally even recreation, but a hybrid emulator/source port, that needs the actual .n64 file to play, so I'd say it's the most accurate way to play Doom 64 on pc (with the quality of life improvements that are expected from a good pc port, such as the usual source port settings).

Continuous or pistolstart? How should i play for the first time?

>>5523981
Whichever you feel would be the most fun for you.

>>5523981
Continuous for your first playthrough to get the feeling of how the game plays and not get overwhelmed. Pistol start to play the levels at their best.

what are some good wads for co-op? many are too easy or cramped

you probably know about reaper or estep bots for quake. How hard to program bots like these two? Can anybody give me technical detail? Are they using waypoints? or pathfiding? I want to implement it to my game.

>>5524097
Plutonia would probably be pretty good in co-op.

>>5524118
extremely easy. the AI for grunts is a mostly random mix of "push", "retreat", "stand and shoot" with a few checks for minimum grenade throwing distance, etc. they also cannot move and shoot at the same time

and yeah, goldsrc uses path nodes

>>5524118
it's too hard for you

>>5524118
It's not very complex and it's node based navigation which makes it extremely fast to evaluate

>>5522940
Please stop pissing on the walls.

>>5524120
thanks

>>5524097
How many people?

>>5524163
This reminded me of when /v/ still played games back in like 2010 and I would host servers for various games sometimes, and we once did like 20 person co-op of Doom 1 and it was complete chaos.

>>5524163
3 or 4 usually. last we played was scythe2 and had a good time. we got pretty far on 3-lives survival.

>>5524181
unironically, thank you for your service. playing skulltag and svencoop with /v/ were good times. i thought about opening up my zandronum server but it's being hosted on a cheap digitalocean droplet with 1 vCPU, so i don't know how many people it could handle.

>>5523279
What's the best romsite for AMIGA these days

>spend almost 3 hours or so meticulously setting up DOSbox for blood
>find out about the damage scaling save bug
Should I just go with NBlood? I was just worried about any inaccuracies from a reverse-engineered port, but there seems to be no fix for this other than a super-convulted route involving a CheatEngine-like program that doesn't work with DOSbox ECE.

>>5522690
I think you can unset the Target pointer of the projectile to make that happen. That should mean whatever is hit by it, when having it's DamageMobj function called on it, has no way of knowing either the specific actor or the species that fired the projectile.

If the projectiles inherit monster species (I'm not sure about this), you could probably change the projectile species with some other function or direct variable access.

>>5524242
GDX is more accurate

>>5524242
GDX has far better performance.

>>5521059
is it originally composed for it or just licensed stuff of theirs?

>>5519112
Romero made us his bitch again, I guess.

>>5519112
>>5524332
Middle of May this time.

>>5524339
Sauce

Are there any retro FPS where the weapons available are all conventional firearms, but the gameplay mechanics and movement are closer to classic FPS than modern?

Guys I think BloodGDX and NBlood are both great ways to play the classic. Some real labor of loves. I'm gonna gonna risk being burned at the stake and say either program entails a great time. I'd even say the KEX engine remaster looks promising.

>>5524369
That description kinda sounds like Action Quake 2. I think thats multiplayer only sadly.

>>5524384
>I'm gonna gonna risk being burned at the stake and say either program entails a great time
By who? They both have their merits, GDX performs smoother and Nblood is more accurate

>>5524386
This aggression I'm talking about might stay in the Build engine threads but I've seen people get into really inane arguments about what does what better. Some people on this board simply cannot say "I like this over the other" and rather just try to stink up whole threads

>>5524393
I would laugh at that but here at the Doom threads we have arguments over dumb shit as well.

>>5522842
he looks like he's sleeping

I kinda wish there were wiki like videos dedicated to showing stuff in old FPS like how enemies and weapons work because documentation is always nice and it'd be neat if it'd helped someone how to understand a game better.
Even if it means coming at the conclusion that the holoduke is a sham.

>>5522989
>playing Doom 1 on DOS
Now this is where you fucked up. Some good vanilla ports are PrBoom+ , Crispy Doom, and Chocolate Doom. Also, play Ultimate Doom so that you get the fourth episode. The fourth episode is very different compared to the first three and I think you might like it better despite it's difficulty spikes.

>5 enemies being a problem somehow
Most shooters have like one enemy type to shoot, with very little breaks in the monotony. Practically every fight in the first Doom game was a new experience, same goes for the second.

>just mazes
Fool. You're foolish. Every game has levels in it, and if you think complicated levels are a problem, you're just retarded. Play a different game if you want wide open canyons with crates and debris in them. Doom has creative as fuck levels with interesting designs and appearance. If you can't appreciate that, then just get outta here.

>I want people to curate my opinion on Doom
You know what, fine. Nothing new for noobs to say.

Use the automap, learn how to fight enemies properly, manage your ammo and use rockets in smart ways. Find the secrets and get weapons early. Figure out how to straferun and SR50 if you want to know extra quirks with the movement tech. Stunlock Cacodemons with the chaingun. Stunlock melee enemies with the chainsaw. Save rockets for the Barons of Hell and otherwize just plasma gun them to death. The BFG is hidden in episode 3, and makes the spider mastermind seem like a little bitch. There you go, you little baby, there's your spoon-fed Doom experience. Watch Civvie11's Pro Doom videos, they actually are super useful for entry-level zoomer fags such as yourself.

>>5524570
Isn't that simplified by just playing the games for about a dozen hours a piece?

Literally two months of playing retro FPS and you can learn almost everything about the main games.

>>5524369
I feel like Maximum Action is a good pick for this genre for single player. Not retro though.
Like this anon said,
>>5524385

Action Quake 2 is what you want but multiplayer only.

>>5523321
GDI?
WHERE!?

>>5524694
did i hear someone say "free willed westerns"?

>>5524369
Immoral Conduct. If you want to wade through trash, WWII GI and NAM as well.

>>5524253
One other thing I want to do with it is cause projectiles to spray bullet damage (shrapnel) to increase their stun chance, and also be able to damage bosses who dont normally take splash.

I dont want those shrapnel sprays causing infighting either.

>>5523319
I think in those particular cases it would be easy to port the weapon/action over to zscript. Adding actors in zscript is kinda clunky, it certainly adds work compared to decorate but if its important to do something in it - then all you've got to do really is some formatting tweaking.

You do not have to pursue programmer's formatting either, with tabs inside braces. In fact you can combine lines of code since they're all terminated with a semicolon to keep specific stuff packed into the same line of its function.

That said, I fucking hate zscript and I avoid it at all costs. And GZdoom's features for it are asinine since the only real cool thing to do with it is replace native and original functions, and that's the ONE THING you absolutely cant do with it.

>>5523765
>>5523569
Its a stock hollywood effect that was used by star wars but that doesnt mean it came from there. Somebody had to do that explosion and film it in slow motion.
I think the intro sequence to og C&C had the same explosion as the Duke3d one, it just has a piece of burning debris falling off to the left.
Unreal Tournament is full of stock explosions and I think one of them was used sometimes on Star Trek TNG for ship explosions and the warp core explosion effect (lots and lots of sparks).

>>5523760
Meh, I think thats legal.
The VHS copy would be a derivative/imperfect reproduction so that strips it of the copyright restrictions. The way people used to get in trouble for copying VHS is they'd take a master copy and hook it up to like 100 VCRs, and since the master copy isnt a copy itself really thats why the feds would go after those people (hence, the reason for the "FBI Warning, $250000 fine" disclaimer)

>>5524531
Cute zombieman

>>5519514
people like them, so they're shit

>>5524369
Outlaws?

>>5522989
What specifically are you not liking? If you're getting lost, use the automap on tab. You can zoom in and out of it with plus and minus to give you a clearer picture of the full map. Ep 1 only has a handful of monsters, and Eps 2 and 3 have the full roster. If you're implying it's too easy, what difficulty are you playing on? If you're not on UV, play on that - Doom 1 is easy peasy. If you're on UV, pistol start each map by doing the IDCLEV cheat on each level you're on.
If you're saying you want the map design to be more engaging, try Ep 4, then Doom 2/Final Doom. You can also take a look at cacoward winners to see prettier and more "modern" design maps, though early birds like Scythe might be a good jump into that. Also, stop using DOS and use Chocolate/Crispy Doom at the minimum. Modern map packs will often need PRBoom+ unless they say there vanilla compatible.

>>5524748
If target-unsetting works with explosion damage it'll work with anything else you call from the projectile as well

>>5523256
>Im okay with it, I would prefer the added precision to do realistic machinegun fire rates ~(12,13,14,15 per second).

You can do that with interpolation in 35 ticks too

>>5519120
Are you me?

>>5524938
cheese-wiz gun

I started modding Doom but then I stopped caring and gave up

>>5525017
why? is it difficult?

>>5519120
>>5524981
I think my problem was that all the rooms only interacted with other rooms in only one direction through a door and that is what made it feel linear. I think some of the better complex maps have rooms more interconnect and its hard to tell where one room starts and where one room ends. For instance, in a setting where you are in a big outdoor area and there is a myriad of balconies, doors, stairs, etc that give the illusion that it is not linear. But it is hard to just make something like that without it ending up just being a glorified wolfenstein map. I am also not saying only an outdoors area can give off the illusion, it was just one example, there really isn't exactly "outdoors" in doom since it is just a ceiling texture and all rooms are basically the same in that respect.

It's almost like you really need to plan ahead before you start making a map, but I just want to jump straight in the program and build as I go. But it ends up just being a segmented map that feels linear.

>>5524938
> interpolation-in-35-tics
please explain, as far as I know you can shoot every 1 tics, 2 tics, 3 tics, 4 tics, etc... there is no inbetween

The old trick is to do some jumpy stuff with a random delay depending on what you want the overall statistical amount to be. But that isnt ideal and you can hear the difference.

>>5525117
every X tics shoot twice
or alternate between X and Y tics to average out a half tic

>>5525128
The old trick would be to do something like this to achieve intermediate fire:

CHGG A 2 -action-function-fire
CHGG A 1 A_JUMP(160,+1)
CHGG B 2 -action-function-fire
CHGG B 1 A_JUMP(160,+1)
TNT1 A 0

that would give you a base fire rate of about 1050/cyclic but the random jumps would in this case average it out to about ~920 cyclic and make it fire more like a P90 or such
The differences in sound fire rate (VERY DAMN IMPORTANT) could be overcome by putting a baked burst fire sound effect at the beginning, but that only works if you have a specific number of rounds that will be fired. You dont want to fire 1 or 2 shots and then hear a burst of 4 or 5 shots go off.

Doom 16 has a level where the player dies from being frozen by touching a floor of ice.
Is it possible for ice related deaths to happen in a Z/GZDoom map that is compatible with mods?
Because Samsara and CH seem to have their freeze related abilities tied to an Hexen related script that is part of some source ports and not really the mods themselves.

>>5525249
g/zdoom has generalized hexen's ice death
happens to any actor that gets killed by "ice" damage type, and doesn't have +noicedeath
> noice death

Half life has good level design and its good fps overall.
Cry more faggots.

>>5525273
ok

>>5525273
We know, it's the manbaby faggots in the "Best FPS of all time" thread who are seething, maybe you should go there.

>>5525273
why are you calling us mean names? Noone in this thread was even shit talking HL. We all know its a good game you dont have to be so aggressive

>>5525273
No shit, I love half life.

I love Doom, Quake, Shadow Warrior, Blood, and Duke Nukem as well.

You're the only one crying you fucking sperg

>>5525273
i don't know why you think this is under debate

Ignore the bait

>>5525273
Most people in this general hold that opinion.

>>5525568
But anon, I genuinely do like Half-Life, I can't disagree with the man.

Vanilla Blood is better than vanilla Doom 1 or 2, not sure if this is popular opinion or not but either way no one can change my mind. pic unrelated

If the problem with gloy kills is how they handle resources, how would you change how these melee moves work in general?
The reason why they even exists seems to be id "canonizing" the rip and tear meme.
Like instead of rewarding the player with health/ammo/armor, how do you think these should work like instead?
An idea i had was making glory kills tied into some special weapon where a certain amount of GK's would allow you to use said special weapon.

>>5525640
And yes, i fucked up my grammar here.

>>5525624
ok

I Sawed The Demons > Untitled > At Doom's Gate

prove me wrong

I need Doom gifs

>>5525624
That's your opinion man, the bait thread is next door.

>>5525651
Title Screen < < < < Everything Else

>>5525671
not bait just tryna have a discussion about a retro game in a retro game discussion thread ya faggot

>>5525678
When you say "you can't possibly change my mind", that probably discourages people from discussing it with you lol

>>5524612
I just think simply showcasing them could be good.
I also haven't played Quake 2 in ages so i forget how 80% of the roster even played like.

>>5525651
4 words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5KVMnS9zgY

>>5525689
Good answer.

>>5525689
un36 is really good and it almost got used but romero hated it
https://youtu.be/zlWeYDosbhw?t=1438

>>5525716
Were any of these used in Doom Delta?

>>5519054
Cripsy Duke, Crispy Strife, Crispy Quake and Crispy Shadow Warrior WHEN?

>>5525663

>>5525716
Eh, I can see that getting really annoying after hearing it for more than a minute or two.

Is there such thing as a skybox generator mod that changes a map's skybox each time the player loads/enters a map?
Like what if i get tired of a Plutonia megawad having mostly red skies and i try to have more variety even if it is out of place?

>>5525813
really fits mt. erebus though imo

>>5525750
I can't believe there's no good Shadow Warrior port

> level has a berserk pack early
> doesn't have an SSG or better
TIME TO TYSON THIS SHIT

>>5525852
Fuck yeah!

>>5524748
Most of the stock explosions used in video games, TV productions and movies during the 90s and early 00s came from either VCE Films or Artbeats, both stock footage experts.

I still have all my CD/DVD from that time in production. Mostly Pyromania, ReelExplosions, EyeWire and so on.

>>5525857
Man, that's a good explosion. Got a lot of use over the years.

I like how the HERP only becomes useful in the hands of the enemy.

>>5525875
Sometimes it can be decent for setting an ambush.

>>5525716
Does this have the Reign in Blood midi? I always liked that one even though it went unused for obvious reasons.

>>5525892
you mean 06:50? sounds very similar to shawn's got the shotgun

anyone else get a warm and fuzzy feeling when thinking about how DOOM has endured? 25 years later people are still making amazing content for it, we're still playing and it's still so fucking good.

>>5525867
Yeah, I'm guilty of overusing some of them, like the classic ZeroG. That one was everywhere.

>>5525904
...or SmallX. That one was also in Blood, Mechwarrior 2, Earthsiege, C&C series, etc.

when I was young I used to believe the zombies in quake were waving at me

>>5525857
>>5525904
>>5525921
Where did you guys find those?
Id like to peruse other classics animated

>>5525967
I worked as 3D animator and compositor during the 90s and early 00s, mostly for TV/broadcast. I still have tons of stock footage on CDs and DVDs.

>>5525904
> strife grenade explosion
>>5525921
> blood dynamite explosion

>>5525921
>>5526004

>>5525921
>>5526009
BLOOD HD SPRITE PACK CONFIRMED
pls no

>>5525663

>>5523338
Do you care to expand why you rated the Marathon Trilogy as "Reasonably okay"?

>>5525663
this one always gets a chuckle out of me

>>5526036
> punched in the dick by a skeleton

>>5526009

So, that's remind me: how you're suposed to g fools in blood with dynamite with auto-aim? How does it work? (I'm going to sleep so there's no chance I'm testing this shit now)

>>5525117
>please explain, as far as I know you can shoot every 1 tics, 2 tics, 3 tics, 4 tics, etc... there is no inbetween
I haven't tried it with fire rates that aren't base 35 yet, but the way I shoot any multiple from the weapon is by saving the players previous and current angle. If I shoot 10 projectiles, each is progressively fired closer to my current angle and further away from the old one.

Also, the projectiles get first-tick speed multiplier. They'll all spawn in the same place, but the first tick of movement will put them in a conga line. The second tick of movement will clear the negative multiplier and have then move normally, maintaining line formation.

>>5526120
oh, and to do things in between on the gun you'd need to save memory values on it and probably do some modulus operations and shit

>>5526000
Would you be willing to share any of this stuff, like just for fun?

>>5526036
Doom infomercial series when?

I like Episode 2.

>>5526026
>>5526036
>people are still sharing my GIF edits

I need to get Photoshop again.

>>5526415
Me too. Shores Of Hell I think is the highlight of the original game.

>>5519054
I tried my hand at making a map.
I gave up after about 4 hours over 2 days.
Maybe i'll go back to it.

How do you run GZDOOM with mods on a Mac? Picrel

I'm travelling and a friend's macbook is all I have access to. I'd like to show them some mods

Assume I am stupid and know nothing of macs

>>5526032
I played 1 and 3 years ago, and found them to be good, especially for their time.

>>5524605
sperg detected

>>5519112
>>5524332
Maybe is busy with his paradox interactive's project

Non-retrofag here. What is this from and where can I dl it from?

>>5526640
>google "gzdoom"
>click first link
>click mac button

>>5525057
Just unimportant

>>5526359
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sx8jedk37R-1oPaFmemdZJuf8wRJ4pXN

Uploaded the (mostly) useful stuff for sprite creation. Needs considerable amounts of cleanup, color correction and other adjustments.

>>5526840
Amazing, thanks for sharing!

>>5526752

I'm pretty sure this is Hell on Earth, a campaign for brutal doom.

>>5525904
The Wilhelm Scream of explosions, an absolute legend.

>>5526840
You are a gentleman and a scholar.

>>5526851
Correct. Though it is playable without it. There's a mod that edits it to be more vanilla-friendly on the ZDoom forums, though it's not super necessary if you're playing with a mod with strong weapons.

>>5526752
>>5526980

https://www.moddb.com/mods/recurring-nightmare/downloads/brutal-doom-hell-on-earth-starter-pack

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58096

>>5526640
GZDoom will melt your Mac.

>>5526580
duck pinus

>>5526785
Doesn't tell me how to run mods.

0/10 solution >>5526664
>>5527034
Runs fine

>>5526664
2 is the best in the series

>>5526840
You're a good guy.

Doing any 3D stuff for doom these days?

>>5527227
I used to agree with that, as 2 was the first one I bought and played when it came out, but the first game has really grown on me. Then there is also the unofficial sequel Rubicon X. There are close to 100 levels and three different story arcs with their own endings. It is absolutely amazing and every Marathon fan should play it immediately if they haven't already..

>>5527281
Nothing Doom-related at the moment, sorry.

>>5526840
Aww dude, the Pyromania discs! I wonder if I can make some use of this?

>>5527341
Go for it anon.
Probably takes some time to get them reworked into good looking sprites.

>>5526000
>>5526359
>>5526840
>>5526850
>>5526976
>>5527362

>>5527389

>>5526840
Neat!

>>5527407
remains to be seen what the stuff looks like once it's resized, touched up and palletized

in doom 2's map 10, there's that section with the pinkies where if you exit the small room through that area with the stone door, you get teleported because of the linedef
but if that area is open and you go through the other side, you don't get teleported
is there any map based around this gimmick?

>>5526840
I'm so glad to see you guys working on sprites in this thread. I'm trying to get back to it myself.

>>5527297
I tried to play Rubicon, but I got lost waaaay too easily and gave up on it. I may go back and replay it at some point though. As far as Marathon TCs go, only ones I really liked was Tempus Irae.

This wall in Eviternity map19 is a midtexture. Meaning it looks solid, but enemies can shoot through it. It was done this way so the line could use multiple textures (middle and upper). I just died because I assumed I could use what appears to be a solid wall as cover. That is the absolute epitome of visuals over gameplay. Fucking shameful.

>>5527563
You are already more productive than 99% of the people here

>>5527626
Damn son, this isn't /agdg/, we only have a handful of people that actually do stuff now.

>>5527605
Did they not even bother putting some void space in there?

>>5520993
If I were to guess, time would be a big factor.
Over time more tools get built, so more people get interested, and the tech is a little more complex then Doom. As things get simpler,, more people try it out, which becomes a feedback loop.
Other anon answering probably contributed as well.

>>5527580
> rubicon
sounds like some serious militaristic kick-your-nuts in sorta stuff. No idea what it is, but with a name like that.

>>5527605
>kicks your nuts in
sorry kid
though ive gotta say like most of the third episode/snowy was just artificial difficulty to the max
> all the doors close and you hear teleporting
> okay bud you know the drill, pull your pants down and bend over
> maybe you'll get a soulsphere afterwards, maybe not

Door opens and you hear an archvile start winding up but all you see are spectres, yeahhh...

>>5527425
Depends on who does it and what their methods are. There's different approaches to scaling and coloring, as well as how the frames are cut out from the backdrop.

Like just one thing I can think of is if one would completely cut out the dark sections, leaving only the bright highlights of the flames, thus getting just the effect of the edges, or if one would just cut around the flame, and then fill in the dark insides to be solid.

>>5527563
I've been busy as a beaver, actually.

>>5527673
fUCK

>>5523229
I think most people here know about and enjoy RotT.
I think it got a modern reboot/sequel too if anybody is interested in that.
I think I would've preferred a little more enemy variety, and uniqueness to the level texture presentation, but it's definitely a fun game to play.

>>5527605
>>5527649
Eviternity
Where an ultra rare gray caco can appear and cut your megasphere in half and make your screen red.

Great map pack of course, I just wish it had those maulitaurs like UAC ultra (?) as specialty enemies. At least you can see those coming and they're still quick and when you get blasted by three or four fatso fireballs from their hammer you feel it was an honest failure and it was your own fault.

Also id rather the green chaingunners just unleashed hell with their gun instead of shooting some kinda low velocity shotgun slugs like the arachnotron got replaced with.
(like the annihilator just some burst of SPOS blasts)

>>5527691
rip models and turn them into sprites

>>5527563
I've been busy myself. There's some things I can't share yet though.

>>5523623
Probably people who work with sfx in these time periods who have hobbies in fps like everyone in the thread.
Or developer leaks where they got it from because they're still interested in retro fps and thought it would be neat to share.

>>5524181
Holy shit that sounds like fun.
Too bad everything eventually turns to shit.

>>5524384
This is the only reasonable position to take, and it's a good thing when others dedicate some time to give us choices.
I think it's be really nice if we could have a spiritual successor to Blood that has some immersive story quality behind it. Perhaps we will, considering that mod scenes grow over time.

>>5527714
>>5523623
Boredom laced with autism

>>5524393
It's like one or two retards that enjoy samefag posting, and shitpost the threads for their own amusement.
Even if Doom threads squabble over things, they always seem to be populated with reasonable people who enjoy discussing enjoyment, real comfy threads in my experience.
I don't even think Doom games are the best, but the community, even since releasing source seems really geared toward cooperation to make and share enjoyment.

Does anyone think that build game NAM was a missed opportunity? Are there any notable mods for it that make it better?

>>5522259
Seconded.
OP has questions to answer.

>>5522259
>>5527798
It's just some fanart by HorrorMovieGuy https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/91248-doom-punch-out/

>>5523981
I second continuous, if it's your first time.
Unless you feel like you're super badass and just need to make the game as challenging as possible from the get go.
You probably won't find the secrets off the bat anyways, so for your first go, there's little difference.
My first play through of something is usually just randomly fucking around, getting a feel for the game, and exploring things on my own to see if I enjoy it for what it is. If I get autistic about it after that, then I try to seek out the limits of what the game has to offer.

>>5524570
I remember reading an article a long time ago detailing precisely how the bfg 9k worked, and I learned a bit about how hitscanners are used.
It was an enjoyable article, and it described how DM players with skill would get kills with "silent" BFG use, and how you could manage to kill yourself with your own BFG shot, if you managed to spawn near your corpse when the observable plasma ball hits a wall.
Curating and creating a wiki type site with content for this sort of thing would be cool, but also a lot of work for someone to make. In my experience, developing good content for anything is fairly time consuming.

>>5524748
What's the "recent" deal with deprecating Decorate in favor of Zscript anyways?
And why can't a savvy developer who enjoys Decorate not just fork a major source port like GZDoom or some other derivative in order to fully support and expand Decorate?
I know this is a stupid question, and probably GZDoom is essentially closed source or something like that, but I don't keep constant tabs on the community, have only played with Decorate and Zscript a little bit as an interested amateur, and every once in awhile I see this complaint brought up.
I'm just interested in reading about the details in a clear, cohesive manner surrounding this debate. Maybe I'm asking for too much spoon feeding, but I figure if there are a few people that feel strongly about it, someone might not mind explaining it in a somewhat thorough manner.

>>5527841
I think it's a push by Graf because it's a shiny new toy to play with, and when you have a new hammer, everything looks like a nail. That's how I see it at least, Zscript is crazy powerful but I'm not fond of its implementation and the lack of documentation, doesn't help that it's on the newer builds of GZDoom where performance can vary pretty wildly.
Honestly the only mod I've seen that takes Zscript and does anything really interesting with it is Hideous Destructor, all of the other mods I've seen that use it on some level is usually just cosmetic stuff.

>>5519120
What's wrong with having a flagged sector (or more) earlier in the level that activates when some goal is accomplished, like killing a specific enemy (can specific enemies be flagged in this way in Decorate or Zscript) in a group or walking over a specific line def?
Perhaps also consider breaking your project down into "groups of rooms" that have thematic similarity and considering ways in which such groups of rooms can be interconnected in a thematically appealing way, and further considering that each group of rooms may be "unlocked" in any order the player comes across.
I believe I've seen office building style levels like that, with a lobby, a cafeteria, an upstairs area for offices, and although office building might not be an appealing theme, many military buildings are laid out in this manner.
I think I've also seen construction style levels that have elevator shafts with basements, etc. that were quite appealing for the atmosphere. I imagine a lot of work went into them to make the level progression and enemy interaction feel smooth and the exploration more satisfying, whether they felt specifically linear or more open designed.

does anyone know the name and where I can get the wad that is an extension of DOOM2 wad where every level is the same as DOOM2 but with added rooms? Entryway, for example, has a hallway extending to the left which leads to more rooms.

>>5525017
It's time consuming, like any other creative endeavor.
You have to enjoy it for the ability to create, in order to overcome learning the tools, and just how time consuming it is, and you need a schedule in your life where you can regularly devote a few hours in a day toward it, even if a lot of the time those few hours are devoted to cleaning up small details.
If you don't treat your hobby like a job in some regard, it's nearly impossible to produce anything, and especially so to produce anything that is worthwhile for someone to devote their own time to playing.
On that regard, the end user will probably spend 1/1000 of the time interacting with a created thing, than the creator/developer spent on making it, and unless the piece is objectively well made, which requires even more time, the user base will be nearly non-existent and it will be relegated as a temporary throw away of time.
This seems to hold true for any created thing, even non-art stuff, and it's not a bad/good thing, but rather that everyone values their time in some way, time is seemingly finite, and each individual has the responsibility to spend their time in the best way they feel is rewarding.
If you decided making doom levels wasn't your thing, at least you tried it out, and found something NOT to use up a lot of your valuable time on, reducing the list for things you can passionately spend your time doing.