/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5469065
>3 tvs
why not just 1?

>>5469065
>the tvs and consoles don't match

>>5469065
I know composite is trash by today's standards but I love these mini Sony units.

>>5469217
>heavy cube hoarder general
>why not just 1?
Anon don't make me come through the screen and bop you on the forehead

I found a PVM-8042Q for a good price but it only displays black and white. Found a video of a guy fixing his
https://youtu.be/nLgN077477s
anyone know if this is a reliable fix? dont wanna drop the money to attempt to just have it die

>>5469330
Just shut up stupid namefaggot trying to get attention for being a girl

>>5469348
Based and redpilled.

>>5469348
>>5469363
bought it anyway would be a neat project

>>5469330
Those PVM-8s are not only small they're notoriously unreliable whether they're actually inferior or just got knocked around a lot more from being "portable". I have a PVM-5 that has never fully fitted up and I've never bothered trying to repair although I only paid $5 for it while that one you're looking at is going to be an $80 gamble for a display that only has 250 vertical lines. You should spend the same money on an RGB to YPbPr Component transcoder and a quality consumer CRT purchased locally.

>>5469348
He's not a girl.

>>5469367
Of course you did

>>5469369
>babbage’s
>no trip
Why would you impersonate someone online

>>5469217
Why stop at 3?

>>5469415
Nice Boxed Sound Canvas 880.

>>5468920
>>5469141
I don't see the flyback, do I have to open more of this?

What are the best places to call besides news stations for CRT's?

>>5469516
You would, you're just looking at the Faraday cage right now. But since you're asking I would suggest not proceeding, no offense.

>>5469348
>Just shut up stupid namefaggot trying to get attention for being a girl
>girl

>>5469368
>>5469563
So it’s a guy using a girls name, that’s even worse and more attention-desperate

>>5469065
Yo dudes, I was asking about where to buy in Tennessee and I found some shit at a news station in Chat

>>5469695

>>5469697
2 of these

>>5469065
What's that Toshiba monitor to the right?

>>5469710
not OP, but it's clearly a TV/DVD combo

>>5469385
My trip was permanently banned from /vr/ for shitting on palfags. The janitors are palfags so they've been deleting my posts but my theory is that if I don't use a trip they might think there's an "I am Spartacus" thing going on and only true aficionados will know my posting style...

Or I might just go back to posting on /x/ those people are fucking crazy.

I’m haveing fun gaming.

>>5469928

>>5469727
Or your might leave and not come back, I assure you won't be missed.

>>5469727
So since the last time I posted semi-regularly on this board you went from annoying on-topic tripshit to unbearable rambling loony? That's what anything other than zero tolerance gets us.

So I have an old Sanyo CRT I've been using for years. It has always been pretty dark at its brightest setting but serviceable if you can turn up the brightness in game. I recently moved and now it is even darker (might be unrelated to the move). Older games are still playable because of the bright colors but darker games like survival horror stuff and 5th gen and up are pretty much unplayable because almost everything is black. I've read that this means the cathode is going out. I hate to get rid of it because it is a flat screen crt and looks great when it works but I really don't think I can fix it. Is it time for me to just cave and buy a new crt?

I still have a crt vga monitor in storage. Is it possible to use that for retro consoles through a mod or adapter? Have any of you done this?

>>5469529
goodwill most likely

>>5470120
Not him but my Goodwills stopped taking in CRT's five years ago.

>>5470063
You would need a scaler / linedoubler.

>>5470148
Thanks.

Picked up a couple 1702s recently, along with a VIC-20, C64, and a bunch of VIC-20 games.

>>5470314

I dont know much about CRTs but i heard that with monitors you need more than 60hz or you will get tired
Why is that a thing in crt monitors but not TVs?

>buy crt monitor
>works fine
>notice it has some scratches

FUCK

at least it was 10 bucks I guess

>>5469695
>>5469697
>>5469702
Did you get them?
>>5469928
>haveing
having*
But nice, glad you're having fun. SOTN is a great game, I played through it for the first time last week.

Had a dream last night I went to a consignment shop run by an old guy in the Midwest, and found a 20L5 and 204MU for $95. Was this a premonition?

Anyone using CRT_EmuDriver?

Is it possible to install that alongside different drivers, and use 2 GPUs? Or have Windows detect 2 different AMD GPUs and use both a newer GPU and an older one?

Is a Sony WEGA KV-34XBR910 worth $175?

>>5470063
You could do it the old-fashioned way with a TV card in a PC running Dscaler. In this case, your PC is the scaler/deinterlacer.

Don't use it with a common USB video capture dongle like some generic "easycap" clone or you'll get unplayable lag, and also avoid any card that claims to do hardware encoding (since those onboard encoders always cause lag and you don't need them). Use it with a PCI card with a supported chipset that does no onboard encoding, and the lag will be highly reduced.

This was a common setup in the early to mid-2000s because quality is good, overhead is low, Dscaler is configurable, and good cards are cheap.

>>5471385
The HD XBRs are nice, but not for retro.

>>5471420
Thanks. I already have a 27xbr55 sitting around, wasn't sure if it's worth it.

>>5471385
Probably $50 max for any consumer CRT.

>>5471450
I'd go way over that on a few models just because I haven't seen them in good condition in years. I don't find hard limits useful.

Any anons who use their CRTs for stuff other than gaming, there's a model of Roku (Express Plus, it seems to be a Wal-Mart exclusive) that is specifically designed to work with older TVs and has a 4:3 aspect ratio option. I set up a Plex media server to host all of my torrents and bam. It only outputs in HDMI or composite, but HD remasters are fucking gorgeous. TNG on Netflix looks amazing. I might buy an HDMI to S-video transcoder and see how much I can bump the image up. I mean, I guess I could do that with any Roku, but then they wouldn't be 4:3 compatible.

>>5469529
>news station
Do you want any CRT or a PVM, specifically? If you just want a CRT, check Craigslist. If you want a PVM, good luck. Some will swear that you can easily get them from TV stations, but I checked every major and minor one within a reasonable driving radius many years back. They all chucked them years ago. People say it "depends where you live" but I think that means that it just "depends" if you happen to live near a TV station that still has a CRT that they are aware of.

I actually got mine from a video/photo editing business. Dude had it in his office for over a decade and as much as he loved it, he never had a reason to use it anymore and gave it away. I've also seen some local craigslist ads from photo editing companies that are liquidating old stock and have CRTs listed, so it seems like a decent option based on my experience. Before that, the original owner was a nearby A/V and communications sales and rental shop. Might also be worth a look if you can find any near you, never know what they have in the back room.

still selling pvm's out of the cincinnati area
https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/vgm/d/independence-multiple-pvm-monitors-for/6844570964.html

should I get this one?

has component in
looks "flat", though

should I go for it $40? (not amerikano)

>>5471682
I use a PVM-2130 to regularly watch LD.
I'm waiting for an extron downscaler I ordered on ebay so I can hook up a regular PC and stream a Plex server I have shared with friends, Netflix or any files on my NAS.
I also picked up a genlock to try and display English subtitles over my Japanese LD.

>>5471784

Testing this thing out
How much are wii component cables?

>>5471789
>extron downscaler
I bought one for super cheap a few years back with the intent to do the same. Apparently the VGA pinout on an Extron (or at least the one I got) is extremely different from standard. I had bought what I needed to cobble together an adapter, but I ended up losing interest and since I've moved, my PC and CRT aren't even in the same room anymore, so meh.

Post pics of yours once it's set up though, I'd love to see it. What model Extron did you get? And that's a hell of a nice LD collection, by the way. I think I've heard that Star Wars set is the only way to see the original theatrical cuts, unedited, as even the VHS releases have some tweaks, but those were taken directly from the original reels.

>>5471805
What's the model of this Sony trinitron?

>>5471847
KV27FS13
I found it in an alleyway next to a buncha e-waste

>>5471784
>>5471791
I don't make opinions on prices, that's up to you. But I have had very, very good experience with similar Chinese-made small flatscreen Philips models. I love the one I kept, which has component and S-video. Just test it for yourself before buying.

Found a sony trinitron for 5$ on craigsliste but it's 400-500km away and across a border so if anyone else is near and interested have at it: https://kalispell.craigslist.org/ele/d/kalispell-sony-trinitron-27-tv-remote/6850240851.html

>>5471805
>How much are wii component cables?
Dirt cheap

>>5471863
thx anon

>>5471865
N/P

Just to give you an idea how cheap is dirt cheap:
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=5689

>>5471784
>looks "flat", though
Flat isn't always bad. They are more prone to geometry issues at the edges of the screen, but I owned flat screens for several years back in their heyday and it's something you can easily get used to. Many of the smaller sets I saw didn't even have issues.

I heard Gramps started that awful dual orb 2 meme

>>5471871
jeez thats cheaper then the sd card I got

>>5471050
Hell yeah I did, picked them all up

I noticed something today, was getting a electrical buzz not from the speakers when a certain color was showing on the screen, thought it was blue but maybe it wasn't. Took a peak through the cracks in the back with a flashlight and saw the coils on the yolk and some other part I can't identify were glowing red hot, left the tv on playing for a couple hours since then and the problem seems to have gone away and now the coil doesn't appear to be that hot anymore. I'm assuming it's normal behavior for the most part, but man I haven't seen anything that red hot except on heating coils for room heaters.

>>5469928
Very good. Have fun playing it.

>>5471967
Presumably you saw the heating coil inside the electron guns.

>>5471682
I watch less resource intensive stuff (VHS rips, DVDs, etc.) on my PVM-1954Q through a PS2 or modded Wii. However, I can easily use my 14L5 as a second monitor for my PC thanks to its HD-SDI card.

got a Mitsubishi xc2930c, do I need 75 ohm terminals on the BNC rgb inputs? It has a switch that says 75ohm and high.

>>5472245
With the switch in the 75 ohm position that is your terminator, don't need to add one.

Calibrate your display’s color.

Guys I am see-are-tee-tarded and would like to know exactly what crt I should get for a Wii retro setup. Price is not a factor but please consider availability. I read the pastebins but they weren't super useful. TiA

>>5472369
For wii it really doesn't matter that much, just be on lookout for component(more common if you're in the states)/rgb inputs. You'll have better luck looking for stuff like newer sony consumer models etc.

>>5472061
Hey, what are your video encode settings to use on Wii?

I've been having trouble with my old Trinitron.
Any time there's a pure white flash on screen, it seems like the image loses its vertical sync for a second and has to reset itself. White, full screen flashes are the only time this occurs. So its not a huge deal, but it makes some old anime like Vampire Hunter D unwatchable and it's distracting in a few video games, mostly title screens.
Any ideas? Would opening it up and adjusting its vertical sync solve the issue? Bad cap maybe? I opened it up a while back and all the caps looked surprisingly good but it wasn't the most thorough search. It's an old enough set that it only uses an OSD for volume and contrast adjust. There's no menu so no service menu. It's mostly pots for any real service adjustments.

>>5471789
Gorgeous collection anon, I am jealous.

>>5472526
Just an update, I messed with the vertical and horizontal frequency pots and couldn't land on anything that would fix the white flash issue. The TV still loses its sync whenever the screen goes completely white. On the bright side I did improve geometry and managed to fix an issue with sporadic wavy lines by tinkering with the horizontal frequency. Will have to open it up one last time to bring the vertical size up just a little more as I shrunk it just a bit too much when messing around with everything but hey, glad I got something on my plate.

>>5472358
what colorimeter do I use?

>>5471825
I got an Extron VSC 100. The pinout is actually pretty messed up, it has both a HD15 standard VGA and a Mac DB15, but you're supposed to plug the PC into the Mac port so that it can output through the HD15, or plug a Mac through the HD15 port so that the pass through output is the DB15. It's pretty weird to explain, but basically you just need a DB15 to VGA cable (and a RGBS/RGBHV cable for the 15Khz output).
As for Star Wars, you're right:only the Special Edition (with added scenes and CGI) is available on BR. The original edition was available as a bonus on a certain DVD release, but it was a botched transfer (and possibly cropped to 4:3).
There was a fan made release called the Despecialized Edition that was using 35 and 16 mm film stock, but some parts couldn't be salvaged and are thus upscaled LD from this release.
>>5472547
Thanks. I managed to nearly fill a 2x2 Expedit with LD, mostly PAL releases, but also some bought on YA like this lot.

Anyway, have some of today's find.
How cute would you rate this trinitron-shaped alarm clock ?

How do I calibrate the colour and shit if I don’t have a remote

>>5472369
>Wii retro setup
So emulators running at correct resolution, then? Look for models with component or RGB (preferred) like anon said, but also make sure the display is standard definition, not ED or HD. Although the Wii itself can do 480p that's not what you want for the older systems.

>>5472526
>>5472614
Losing sync on a white flash (a common issue) isn't typically a problem that can be helped through servicing the display. The TV's dc restoration circuit may just be too slow to handle the sudden signal burst, causing lost sync.

By any chance are you using long video cables, cheapo cables, and/or a cheapo switch between your source devices and your display? If so, try removing the switch and subbing in shorter cables, then test and report back. If it helps, and you find such cable lengths and/or the switch necessary for your setup, you may need to insert a good distribution amplifier into the signal chain (not for its "signal splitting" feature, just for its dc restoration), or swap the cheap switch out for one with built-in dc restoration.

>>5472640
>The original edition was available as a bonus on a certain DVD release, but it was a botched transfer (and possibly cropped to 4:3).
It was included as a bonus with the special edition remastered original trilogy. It was a botched transfer in the sense that the picture was slightly washed out (not a major issue) and it was encoded with hard letterboxes, not anamorphic. So the transfer is 4:3 including the mattes but not pan & scan. Both the laserdiscs and this transfer have been used as source material for various fan edits.

>>5472662
Thanks for your reply.
>The TV's dc restoration circuit may just be too slow to handle the sudden signal burst, causing lost sync.
This sounds right to me. I figured it might be a common problem with these older sets but it was tough finding anything helpful through Google.
>By any chance are you using long video cables, cheapo cables, and/or a cheapo switch between your source devices and your display?
Wii OEM composite cables. They don't seem particularly long (or particularly high quality for that matter, but they are official and there's zero interference otherwise) and I'm not running through a converter box, just straight to the TV. Any suggestions? Would a distribution amp help in this case? I'm completely unfamiliar with them.

>>5472640
DB15 doesn't exist, it's DA15

>>5472684
You're right, my bad.

>>5472640
>some parts couldn't be salvaged and are thus upscaled LD from this release.
Neat, I didn't know that. I've seen the despecialized editions and wondered what their resources were. Although nowadays I tend to just pop in the VHS for nostalgia factor. Plus the sound system on my CRT kicks the shit out of my LCD. Audio is like 75% of immersion anyway.

Pic unrelated. I thought I had one of Star Wars, but meh. Everybody loves Robotnik.

>>5472680
To me, the fact that it's only 6' of cabling between your source and the display, with no switch, confirms the TV's dc restoration circuit as the culprit, but that's also why I hesitate to recommend a distribution amplifier since you're adding a piece of equipment that you really don't need for anything else just to clamp the signal. It's one option if you want to keep using this TV and avoid that problem, another would be using a video switch (which you might find more useful than a distribution amp in the future) that performs dc restoration.

If you want to try something that *might* work without spending any money, and you still have a VCR, try routing your signal through that. If it's a nice prosumer or pro model that has an "edit" switch that amplifies the video output when used as a source deck, try it both ways.

>>5473114
STRANGE, ISNT IT?

>>5469065
KV-9PT50
How do you like that one OP? One popped up on craigslist and I want to take a look at it.

Found a SHARP 29"

>will use for GunCon 2 games
>has component in

I didn't see the SHARP brand being mentioned in the pastebins. Is this a safe bet?

Guess the display

>>5472369
>rice is not a factor but please consider availability.
Buy a tube tv that isn't HD or "ED". This is every set that isn't 480p and above. For the USA, Svideo is a bare minimum, and is great for the wii. Component is a better option, but is not as common on used sets however, they certainly are out there.

>>5473678
>I didn't see the SHARP brand being mentioned in the pastebins.
That's because pastebins are always going to be limited to the knowledge of the one guy putting them together, compared to collaborative efforts like wikis.

Sharp is a fine electronics brand, a historical partner of Nintendo, but later in CRT's life, mid-2000s, they had become more of a value mark and were being sold in Walmart in the US. That doesn't mean they were altogether inferior. (They were still innovating quality-based features on inexpensive VHS VCRs into the late '90s for example.) As long as it's confirmed SD, there's nothing wrong with it just because it's a Sharp.

>>5473678
Sharp is fucking good. Models vary bot they are pretty great shadowmask.

>>5473338
Thanks again anon, but I actually managed to fix it earlier today without adding any extra hardware or cables. Since the TV's contrast setting (labeled picture, as per usual with Trinis) is the only setting that is not handled by a pot on the onboard controls, and instead relies on the rudimentary OSD, and since the TV was already very bright in terms of contrast as it was, I decided to mess with what I think was labeled Image Value (maybe, that name could be wrong but it was something similar) pot that was on the main board. What this control actually does is that it acts more like a sub-contrast setting on more modern sets. So I could crank down the already high contrast from there, then crank it back up from the onboard controls, and voila, no more sync loss when white flashes onscreen. For whatever reason, how bright that pot was set to was apparently just too high for the TV's DC restoration circuit. What I'm left with now is only a slightly dimmer image with no more sync loss. Real glad I managed to sort it out, this has been driving me mad for a while now.

>>5473690
I have a set that has component in and goes up to 1080i. Why should I run Wii in standard def over the ED 480p? Also, it's a 30 inch HD Widescreen CRT so should I be running the Wii in 16:9 or 4:3? Thanks for the help!

>>5473725
Can confirm. I own a small, early-00s set that compares surprisingly well to my Trinitron. Nice bright, clear picture. Only problem is it required far more calibration in terms of everything. Color and geometry were pretty bad off.

>>5473786
On something like that you really should just use 480p through component because you're going to have slightly more input lag than standard definition CRTs anyway, as HD CRTs use digital processing to scale lower resolutions. It handles them very similarly to how modern HDTVs handle them. Wii widescreen isn't native, so you will be stretching a 4:3 image to obtain 16:9. It honestly doesn't look that bad, but games do look cleaner in their native 4:3 ratio. Just try both and find what you like.
If you're using it to play Wii and GCN games on that TV you should have a great time. But maybe go for a standard definition set if you want 240p emulation station.

>>5473690
I'm in the USA, can you give me an example tv that fits the criteria you listed?

>>5473774
Nice, good that you're happy with the results.

>>5473786
Are you the guy who asked about the "Wii retro setup"? If so, does that mean just Wii/GameCube games or are you using it as your emulation box?

>>5473808
It's better to set the Wii to the physical aspect ratio of your screen regardless of software type, then use your display's zoom/stretch/compress settings to correct what's wrong on individual titles. There are enough native 16:9 Wii games to make it worth doing this way. There's no reason to leave a Wii in 4:3 mode when the display is physically 16:9; better to let the Wii create an anamorphic 16:9 image to fit the whole screen.

¿how do install drivers for my CRT in win7?

Can I install "Colorific" in windows 7?

>>5473831
>There are enough native 16:9 Wii games
There aren't though. There is not a single native Wii widescreen game because the Wii isn't capable of native widescreen. It's all anamorphic.
>There's no reason to leave a Wii in 4:3 mode when the display is physically 16:9
There is though. The image quality is superior when it isn't being stretched.
I mean, the reason to use it is to see more of the game world. If that's what you want then fine. I'm not really saying you shouldn't use it. But you have to know going in that there is a compromise to be made in doing that.

>>5473881
>native widescreen. It's all anamorphic.
Anamorphic widescreen is native. Nothing says pixels have to be square. As long as the full resolution of the image is used and not matted out, it is a native format that can be manipulated by the display.

>But you have to know going in that there is a compromise to be made in doing that.
We are already using CRTs with analog video signals. There is no discrete physical pixel access. Better to use the full screen than pretend we are compromising some non-existent 1:1 signal to pixel triad correlation.

>>5473786
>Why should I run Wii in standard def over the ED 480p?
If you are "emulating" a retro setup with the wii, one of the wii's strong points is that it outputs at the same 240p resolution as any of the older 8-16 bit consoles would have. This will cause your TV to have scan lines, which are a side effect of the method of displaying 240p on a 480i set. However, you can and do whatever makes you happy. If you like the look of 480p, go for it. The gameplay should remain the same irrelevant of the display method.

>>5473829
>can you give me an example tv that fits the criteria you listed?
A tube tv that is not listed as "Enhanced Definitinon". You can research the model number of any TV and find out if it is "High Definition", "Enhanced Definition" or just a TV. Overall, when shopping for used CRT tvs, most are Standard definition. Some are ED, and some are HD, with the ED sets being the most rare from my personal experience of shopping.

>>5473873
>¿how do install drivers for my CRT in win7?
Right click on "my computer"
Click on "Device Manager"
Find the monitor drop down
Right click on "Generic non-PnP monitor" & pick Update driver software.
Select "Browse my computer for driver software"
Select "Let me pick from a list......"
Untick "Show compatible hardware"
Find your EXACT monitor from the list. Make sure you pick the right one.

>>5473886
>Better to use the full screen than pretend we are compromising some non-existent 1:1 signal to pixel triad correlation.
but that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I'm not out for pixel perfection but when I can see with my own two eyes that the image quality is superior when using 4:3 compared to 16:9, I'd rather use 4:3. It's fine if you don't but there is no objectively correct way to display these games. Literally just display them how you like.

>>5473895
thanks, but my monitor doesnt seem to have on that list
i also downloaded some ancient .inf file from 2002 but the device manager says its not compatible with x64 systems
i have 2 screens anyway, could i try one of these drivers and then just revert from my other monitor with no harm ?

>>5473831
I'm using the Wii in many different ways. I play some GameCube/Wii games on it, use it for retrobox emulation, and use Wiimc to watch downloaded shows/movies on. I think the 480p with 16:9 looks pretty good but the autist in me wants to make sure I'm not missing anything or overlook something wrong.

>>5473902
>but that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Yes, just like
>The image quality is superior when it isn't being stretched.

I don't write commandments, just disclaimer-free opinions, like you.

>>5473921
>the autist in me wants to make sure I'm not missing anything or overlook something wrong
Era-correct display behavior for your emulated consoles is 240p, in other words, keeping 480p off. If that's your end, that's your means.

>>5473908
>could i try one of these drivers and then just revert from my other monitor with no harm ?
Quite possibly. However, I don't know. I would suggest that you find a similar model made by the same maker, and if there is none, I would avoid messing with it. Alternatively, there is software that will allow you to create a monitor driver with custom refresh rates. I am no expert on the different software, but I am sure others here could chime in. I know that there is a thing called "CRU"

https://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Custom-Resolution-Utility-CRU

Good luck my friend!

>>5473949
thanks a lot, ill do my best !

>>5473873
Going by model number, that should be a plug & play monitor. Is it not reporting itself as plug & play? You shouldn't need a driver unless you're not able to select a supported resolution in display settings, since plug & play monitors auto-report supported resolutions and refresh rates directly. Are you unable to hit a supported resolution/refresh combo?

I would not recommend selecting a similar driver from the same manufacturer, you could actually be limiting your display options that way, for no gain other than having the (wrong) monitor model number displayed in device manager.

>>5473972
i dont know, this one is wierd, when im turning on my PC the resolution is completelly screwed up and "vibrating" or "rotating" during post, and says its 1920x1440 75 Hz "User Mode" instead of using an actual default resolution
maybe its damaged...

>>5473981
>User Mode
It's saying this on the monitor itself, right? I'm more concerned about monitor resolution detection in Windows, since that's 99.9% of what a dedicated driver would help with. Is it listed as a plug & play monitor already in device manager?

Vibrating I have seen, but what do you mean by rotating? Does the image stabilize as you leave the monitor on long enough at the resolution you want?

>>5473990
>It's saying this on the monitor itself, right?
yes, i have it set to show the mode whenever it switches
>Is it listed as a plug & play monitor already in device manager?
yes both my LCD and my CRT are listed as generic PnP monitors
>Does the image stabilize as you leave the monitor on long enough at the resolution you want?
only when windows loads and it goes 1600x1200 @ 88 Hz wich is my preffered resolution
if i switch to 1920x1440 it will happen again and keep "rotating" and being stretched, being unusable

>>5473997
>yes both my LCD and my CRT are listed as generic PnP monitors
If this is the case and you are able to select supported resolutions from Windows, then you don't need monitor drivers.

Windows isn't the source of any of the distortion you're seeing. I still don't know what you mean by rotating. But if you leave it at 1920x1440@75 does it ever settle down?

>>5473931

>>5472369
And
>>5473829
Are me

>>5473786
And
>>5473921

Are a different guy. So an example of a standard resolution tube tv would be a Sony Trinitron that has a resolution of 360p? That way 480 is not an option for the console and it displays properly? Or does the tube tv have to be 240p for correct looking emulation? And is rgb preferred over component, or component>rgb?

>>5474007
>360p
Hnguh?

If your goal for the emulated retro systems is to look their best at the original intended display resolutions, it's as simple as using a non-ED/HD display. They generally display in what's now called 480i, which old consoles exploited to run in what's now called 240p. This is era-correct, yes.

If you live somewhere where RGB on TVs was common and is what's on your TV, that's what you should go for. If not, such as in the US, what's called "component" is in practice equivalent in quality and if that's what's on your TV, that is ideally what you should use. For hooking up just the Wii to run all your retro, that's all you need to consider. You would gain nothing by transcoding one to the other in this case.

>>5474016
Ok so I should look for a 480i crt tv?

>>5474019
Yeah, that was just my long silly way of saying I would if I were you.

>>5474006
>I still don't know what you mean by rotating
well maybe not rotating, but its just an extremelly heavy vibration, i think this mspaint reflects it well
>But if you leave it at 1920x1440@75 does it ever settle down?
usually doesnt.
sometimes instead of stretching and vibrating heavily, it just seems to be normaly but a bit blurry because its like a slight very fast vibration it has, very noticeable on the top part of the screen

>>5474030
Ahh ok. This looks like a horizontal sync problem. It most likely means 75 Hz probably isn't actually supported at 1920x1440. Try a lower refresh rate until it doesn't roll or vibrate like this.

>>5474036
74 Hz seems to work with 0 issues

>>5469529
I picked up a PVM at a film supply auction a couple weeks back, I'd recommend seeking out facebook groups for people who deal with these sorts of supplies.

>>5474037
Interesting and weird, but if that minor adjustment fixes it then I'd call it a day and be happy!

>>5474036
>This looks like a horizontal sync problem
This. Do what this anon said.

>>5474040
yeah it fixed it for windows
sadly it doesnt fix it for when the PC boots up and shows POST, but i could just disconnect my CRT if i want to change something in the bios, and do it with my LCD

>>5474057
BIOS, POST, and Windows boot screens are all low res, I don't know exactly what's going on there.

Many monitors have some kind of memory to save different user adjustments for different resolutions. Try clearing or adjusting that for 640x480@60 or whatever it is that your PC defaults to when it boots.

>>5469529
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/
ebay
craigslist
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/aw2ngt/crt_listings_march_2019/

>>5469065
What's the best way to use a VGA CRT monitor with an OSSC?

Just found a guy at a production studio selling 20inch PVM's and he said right off the bat he sold several to a guy last week for gaming at $500 a piece and he wouldn't take less than that. If anyone here is spending half a grand on these things, you are the problem and I hate you. People used to practically give these things away, now people are demanding ridiculous prices because of fucking Reddit and youtubers.

>>5475260
Well you only want them for the same reasons they do so what are you complaining about?

>>5475289
What sort of zoomie logic is this? Is this how your brain really works? Just because he wants them for the same reasons it doesn't mean he's comfortable overpaying to absurd degrees for it.

>>5475341
That's how the world works m8. Bandwagon-jumping normies pay the price.

The smart money bought these things up 5+ years ago when people considered them an annoyance.

>>5473873
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>>5475260
Something is worth what people are willing to pay for it. $500 for a PVMeme might be too much for you but it's clear that they can hold that value. If you won't buy it, some autist will.

>>5475775
Don't be silly, yelling "don't do that" on some tucked away corner of the internet totally works when it comes to manipulating the market single-handedly.

Have to be honest, lads. Ever since I got large low-lag LCD monitor and started using shaders I have not been using my CRT very much.

Even with a little bit of blur from 10ms response time the difference in screen size and the convenience of just firing up Retroarch in 2 seconds whenever I want without having to mess with switching monitors has me playing on the LCD most of the time. The 4:3 image on my 30" 16:10 monitor is 26.5" compared to the 18.7" visible on my CRT monitor.

If I could get a hold of a large low-lag, fast-response time LCD I'm not sure I'd be too interested in CRTs anymore. The lack of contrast on LCD can be largely mitigated with a low-backlight setting, and a bias light behind the monitor. And when I'm playing colorful games like I usually am the lack of ability to go completely dark to the point you can't see anything at all on a black screen in a darkened room isn't something I'm too concerned about.

>>5475260
The age of cheap PVMs has been over for a couple of years, anon.

>>5475903
all I'm reading is retarded speak.
please say april fools

Anyone know the particular model of this trinitron, the listing's images are all shit and said listing describes it as a "KV-2765R". However when I search up that model nothing comes up, can't even find a similar looking one in image or video form, the closest I found was this model someone made a vid of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxRkbX-Y_5M .

>>5475907
You can still find them for reasonable prices. You just have to be willing to call a bunch of people or wait until the right auction pops up.

>>5475903
To each his own I guess but yeah, after playing on CRT for a few months even low lag LCDS feel like playing in molasses to me. Apologists will say it isn't perceptible but even if it's placebo I can still feel the difference, although it usually comes down to particular games.
As for black levels, I get what you're saying. Even on shit LCDs with lots of backlight bleed if the entire image is bright, then the dark spots will look appropriately dark. More so if you've taken the time to properly calibrate. But I still prefer the black levels of CRTs as in general they are much better, so long as we're not talking about OLEDs but like with any display technology, that obviously comes with its own host of issues.
Screen size doesn't bother me much. I'm usually sitting in a chair just a few feet away from the screen when gaming at any given time. Not that I've measured it but my 32" LCD doesn't seem far off from my 19" CRT at all when it comes to 4:3 screen size.
I also just prefer the look of older games on CRTs. I like how vibrant they display, in general I just think color is more appealing on CRTs even if for the most part it's often less accurate, although this is more common on older sets you have less calibration control over. The inherent gaussian blur of CRTs goes a long way in makng older games more presentable I think. If I were playing older games on LCD, which I do sometimes, I wouldn't resort to filters to emulate the CRT look. I get that people enjoy them but I've yet to see one that truly compared favorably to what it's trying to capture, although they have gotten close and I see the appeal. I'm not particularly after the sharp pixel look that LCDs offer, and that's partly why I prefer CRTs, but if I do game on LCDs, that's the look I'll take over filters. I think it's important to take advantage of the inherent strengths of the of the technology you're using, and LCDs can look really sharp and clean if you can appreciate that look.

>>5475945
I have a much smaller model that's fairly similar, it's a KV-1397R. Released mid to late 80s. I like it aesthetically and it's a pretty decent little set, great picture, nice and vibrant. Good luck finding more about that one.

>>5475260
You idiot, that's much cheaper than their current going price. 20" are at least 600 or more unless you live in California.

>>5476083
no that's like ebay shipped price. they're supposed to be a bit cheaper locally
but if that 500 he's talking about is for a 20L5 then that's an amazing deal

>>5475945
sony kv-XXXXR is a common line of tv's stretching from the 80's to the early 90's, such as the 1370R, or the 1380R which is slightly coveted because it has stereo speakers, a rarity for its time and form factor. Composite is probably its best input.

>>5476083
>>5476104
there's a guy selling a 20m4u for 350 near me, I'm not on the market for a monitor but what do you guys think about that deal. Pretty standard, I think

>>5476113
I offered a guy $200 for a 20m2u and he agreed immediately. Now I wish I offered a bit less for my first offer.

I got a VGA CRT monitor but it looks like there's a somewhat green tint to it. It's most noticeable on blacks but the entire picture is affected. What can I do about it?

>>5475986
Shaders on a 2560x1600 or better monitor have all the "blur" you want or need (I don't actually agree with this description of a CRT, nothing should be blurry on a good CRT).

Lag: are you using runahead?

Color on a LCD is largely a matter of calibration, and most people do not get it right. Most specifically they play games on a monitor which is calibrated to the sRGB standard, and this will result in a game looking washed out. It needs a different gamma setting, which is provided by shaders.

Take a gander at this post by byuu
https://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=10756&start=15#p122062

>>5476141
Try changing the tint/hue? Try turning down the brightness, or degauss it? Mess with calibrating it.
Does it have any image ghosting/trails issues? It's somewhat common for phosphors to die out and leave a slight green tint to everything as well as introducing image ghosting. If this is the problem you have, there's very little you can fo to fix it. If not, it's probably just a calibration issue.

>>5476150
I tried the first things. It's like it's black for a little bit when I first turn it on but everything quickly becomes greenish.

>>5475994
>>5476106
Thanks guys, I might go see it in person or contact them to find out more details on it specifically but I would rather not bother them if I'm not guaranteed purchasing.

>>5476171
What model is the monitor? This could be the anti-glare coating.

>>5476113
that's good if you don't have to drive ridiculously far
>>5476120
don't be greedy. just be glad you didn't spend $600 on ebay to have one shipped and smashed in transit

>>5476279
>shipped and smashed in transit
Sucks for those guys, I was fortunate enough to buy a CRT and not run into any issues with damage while shipping and I'd be pissed if I had, but at the same time, it takes like 5 minutes to ask a seller to double box a monitor, to not ship screen side up, and to add lots of FRAGILE and THIS SIDE UP labels to the box. As long as you're polite most sellers will do just that to keep their buyers happy. Some may ask for additional shipping fees but it just depends.

>>5476223
It's a Dell M991. Also, how could it be the glare coating?

>>5476412
I have read reports that removing the anti-glare coating from Sony CRT HDTVs leaves an image with a greenish tint.

>>5476420
It's certainly possible that the coating has just given out over time.
You said when you first turned it on with a black screen it looked fine though. How does it look when you turn it on with color content displayed? Does it initially look normal and then turn greenish as the image brightens, or does it always have the green tint? If it's the former you can probably rule out the coating.

>>5476426
Former. I guess I should probably just get rid of it

>>5476437
This may seem like a silly question but what color are the surroundings of the monitor?

>>5476441
also post a photo of the screen showing a color pattern

>>5476426
>It's certainly possible that the coating has just given out over time.
Not really, it's a thin clear elastic sheet stretched over the glass. If it had given out naturally, it would be evident in the form of scratches breaking through the coating.

>>5476437
>I should probably just get rid of it
Don't do that. It would be stupid and short-sighted. Have you checked the menu to make sure the color settings are not pushing green? What color temp is it running at?

>>5476450
Fair enough, sounds like you would know better than I would.
>>5476437
tells me it's very likely not the coating anyway

>>5471682
Good taste, Nadia was great.

>>5471805
I have that same model, getting rid of it though since I'm moving out. I will probably find something smaller later down the road. It was fun gaming on it though.

>>5473678
Sharps are really good TV's. We had one and the image was very nice

>>5476464
I have a different VGA monitor but it was slightly more beat up. I was thinking of replacing it. I don't need 2

>>5476641
I don't need 2 CRT TVs either but I keep one around as a backup just in case. Keep it around, you'll likely be able to diagnose and fix it eventually.

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>>5475260
>tfw bought mine for 65 bucks
lel

>>5469065
5:37am here. Pic from yesterday. Staying at hotel for work. Yeah I brought a portable crt into a hotel with me in 2019 the year of our lord.

>>5475260
Childless millennials have lots of cash to waste on retro games and weed, trying to replicate their youth by playing games in a way they never did as children for nostalgia's sake. Comical isn't it? Almost as much as those beards they wear to hide their bitch jawlines.

It's best to just find a consumer set or two, man. Still pretty affordable and they actually do have that retro feel. Cuz let's be honest, at best we all played over composite, and often RF. That's retro. Even arcade monitors back then didn't have the sharp and colorful pixels w/ well-defined scanlines. And some good image tuning balance can make even composite look damn fine.

Also, why don't people strive for good sound systems in their retro setups? No one ever discusses bass levels, sub and driver positions, how many speakers to use, what brands make the best equipment, etc. I mean if you're gonna go apeshit with an RGB setup, why not go apeshit with a surround sound system w/ large sub? One of may favorite things about arcade machines is their sound punch and clarity. That's as immersive as pretty pictures. Especially in shooters.

>>5476856
You do remember that actual post ww2 baby boomers had train sets and restored pedal cars that they didn't ride or let their grandchildren ride either right? Humans like collecting nostalgia.

>>5476874
Yeah, but going apeshit over electronics is a particular kind of mental and foolishness.
Like how the NES Classic sold out and was scalped, and now with USED and often well-worn pro-CRTs going for hundreds of dollars. A lot of fuckers are going to be in for a lot of sadness in the coming decade or so as their PVMs start dying.

That kind of rabid behavior should be called out, whether it's because of Tickle-Me Elmo or PVMemes.

>>5476856
>at best we all played over composite
Not if you were king of the video yearbook nerds like I was

>>5476976
>Yeah, but going apeshit over electronics is a particular kind of mental and foolishness.
>It's different because it's electronics, you're not allowed to be passionate about electronics, nerd. Fall in line.

Good I'm struggling with the color on my bvm. Why is this such a pain in the ass?

>>5477112
God*

>>5477112
looks fine to me

>>5477132
Does it?

>>5477147
That looks awful. What are you doing?

>>5477161
Every fucking time I change it, it puts some dumb shit filter back on or something and looks like that.

>>5476405
>and to add lots of FRAGILE and THIS SIDE UP labels to the box
If you do that with UPS, they'll take extra care to destroy whatever's inside.

>>5476976
It's human nature anon. I know that's hard for people with autism to understand.

>>5476856
Hobbies BAD! Giving up happiness to raise children GOOD!

>>5477341
I have 2 children...and 25 CRTs

>>5477353
Why can't I have 25 children, and 2 CRTs?

>>5477147
So could I get any advice on altering color temperature or picture? It's a Sony BVM-20G1U and I didn't find the manual very helpful. Maybe I just need a brief lesson on altering picture color in general.
Here are the inputs I posted last thread. I'm not sure which card I should be using for rgb since they both seem to work.

>>5477574
I use the auto set-up probe on my BVMs.

Works great!

I was the guy who ordered a PVM-20M4U not too long ago, but it was destroyed in shipping. Found a more local one, which was awesome. Everything works extremely well so far. It accepts component as well which is nice.

Gonna move the extron switch in the level below once I a few more of my rgb cables arrive (PS2).

>>5477626
what gaem

>>5477631
For SNES focusing of Secret of Mana, and on Genesis Phantasy Star IV !! They look so crisp

>>5477626
Looks kinda like my setup. Although I don't have Phoenix adapters, so I need to run audio through a different switch for the time being.

>>5477609
Where could I get my hands on one of those for a reasonable price?

>>5474058

>Commodore branded 1084S
>ma nigga

>>5477631
Supamario yosshiairando.

>>5477650
You can’t. It’s been memed into inflation by faggots such as the quoted anon.

>>5477302
>UPS
Found your problem

>>5477669
It's not like it's of any real use now anyway, if it ever was..

>>5472624
X-rite i1Display Pro is the cheapest that delivers reliable results and can synchronize to refresh displays.

>>5477690
Please do tell me how it's reliable. The only thing it can reliably do on it's own is match displays to each other. You have no idea how accurate it is unless you have something way more expensive to measure it against.

>>5477650
Same places you find reasonably-priced BVMs.

>>5477669
Mine was cheap. Sucks to only know how to shop on eBay using search terms like "retro gaming monitor" eh?

>>5477675
How so? It offers fully automated calibration via a simple button push in the menu. It's fully awesome anon and highly recommended.

>>5477675
Then why does a piece of obsolete technology cost $1000USD in 2019?

>>5477707
>It offers fully automated calibration
Which would be nice if you could trust its accuracy. Hint: you can't.
>>5477708
>Then why does a piece of obsolete technology cost $1000USD in 2019?
Is this a real question or one covered in multiple layers of irony?

>>5477708
Jesus Christ is that how much they go for now? I paid 1/20th that just last year.

>>5477710
It calibrates well enough to display SMPTE color bars correctly. More than good enough for vidya.

Protip: I'm not grading Hollywood movies and neither are you.

>>5477609
Don't bother with these. They're inaccurate and being sold by price-gouging faggots.

>>5477707
>Same places you find reasonably-priced BVMs.
So... nowhere? Where did you find yours?

>>5477728
>It calibrates well enough to display SMPTE color bars """correctly""". More than good enough for vidya.
So it's about as good as eyeballing it, but without doing any manual work.

>>5476843
I can never get enough of the Sonic 2 title screen.

>>5476843
>>5477758
theonlyshop2013 / videoaudiostudios? Is that you?!

>>5477626
What's that little purple thing on yout Wii? Are you using the 8bitdo controller with the Wii? If yes, how? What games? Emulators or VC/WADs?

I don't think VGA monitors really look better than modern displays for retro. Too sharp. I tried it with an OSSC and it didn't look that different than when I tried it on a modern TV

>>5478251
Try RetroArch

>>5476856
>Cuz let's be honest, at best we all played over composite, and often RF. That's retro. Even arcade monitors back then didn't have the sharp and colorful pixels w/ well-defined scanlines.
Not this shit again.

Just because you were clueless as a kid does not mean the rest of us were. I have not used composite video since 1993, arcade monitors looked extremely good and crisp due a high quality RGB image (particularly Mortal Kombat I and II were amazing). PC monitors also had great RGB images. By the late 90s anyone serious about video games who was not literally a kid less than ten years old was aware of s-video if they were paying attention, and a lot had switched to it by 2000 (Dreamcast really popularized it in NA, although PlayStation s-video cables were available). Emulators began to be popular in the late 90s, again providing a nice RGB image.

This idea that "of course everyone on /vr/ used rf/composite back in the day" is simply hogwash. Bullshit.

>>5478317
>I have not used composite video
Meant to say RF video. When my family got a composite capable TV in 1993 it didn't take me long to make the connection between the strange red, yellow, and white inputs on the back and the "extra" cable that came with my SNES I had not used up to that point. When I saw it provided superior video it started me down a long path that has led all the way to this thread so many years later.

>>5477626
What's the purpose of the pink pads under the monitor? I've seen this before with speakers to dial down vibrations but why for the monitor?

Having a weird geometry problem with my old Trinitron. It's not severe, but the bottom section of the screen is kind of squashed. It mostly makes vertical scrolling a little funky. It's an older set so there's no service menu. Tried adjusting all the potentiometers on the main board and the only thing that seems to affect it is a pot labeled "Vertical Bias", whatever that is, and set to one extreme or the other it doesn't completely stretch out the bottom the way it should be. Pretty much the only thing I can accomplish with it is making it worse, not any better. Any idea what could cause this? Convergence issue? Bad cap somewhere? I honestly doubt it's any of the caps. They're all original and very old but not a single one of them appears bulging or leaky.

>>5475260
I just bought a Sony 2030 pvm for 500 CAD. Idk they are just super rare to pop up in canada

>>5477703
Because they're profiled against a spectroradiometer from the factory and have sealed glass filters which don't drift much over time. Yes, using a correction matrix specific to your display that you generated with your own spectro will technically be better, but we're talking about a difference of a couple delta E, which should be under the just noticeable difference from an external reference, and unnoticeable without an external reference. Unit-to-unit variability is also well below the JND of 2.3 dE-2000. See: https://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/Calibration/MonitorCalibrationHardware.html

>>5477736
Hurr
>>5477737
Ebay. £10 BIN
>>5477742
"Eyeballing" an SMPTE pattern is how the pros do it. This just means you don't have to spend hours faffing around in the menu adjusting the values. That's time saved to spend playing Vidya, right?

>>5477703
>>5478480
Regardless, an inexpensive colorimeter is going to be much faster and handle low-luminance readings better than a mid-priced spectro, while having having much lower unit-to-unit variability and potential for sensor drift. Unless you need to match prints to a display, there's not much reason to go with a spectro, and I doubt anyone on /vr/ is doing proofing on their PVMemes. Besides, CRTs don't have comprehensive color management systems or more than two-point grayscale adjustments, so you're limited in how accurate you can get without an external LUT anyway.

>>5478482
SMPTE bars merely ensure that the color decoding is being done properly. They're useless for grayscale calibration and provide no insight into whether the display's primaries are accurate.

>>5478358
From what I understand this is a vertical linearity problem. But like I said, old TV, no service menu, just pots. Anyone know what the culprit could be?

thoughts on commodore monitors? found this in the dumpster years ago and its one of my favorites, even more fun to hook up with an HDMI jack

>>5478480
>>5478491
The thing is you have no idea if you get a shit unit or how much your old unit has drifted. They make no claims about the accuracy and you get no calibration sheet or anything with it.

>>5478317
>Dreamcast really popularized it in NA, although PlayStation s-video cables were available

Huh? Been a happy S-video user since 1991 now myself, starting with SNES. I never saw any widespread uptick in S-video adoption in the Dreamcast era.

>>5477672
I made that pretty clear in my post.

>>5478496
Well luckily the BVM has built in test patterns including PLUGE (channel 91) and 5 step gray-scale (channel 94) so I can verify the gray-scale is neutral following calibration with the 14L, so it's clearly working well enough for videogaming purposes.

If I wanted yet more reassurance I could hook up my Philips/Fluke TPG but that's a little unnecessary in my view.

Anyone here experts with MAME? Which version should I use? Is there a benefit to using a VGA CRT monitor versus an LCD? Is it worth going down the path of GroovyMAME with CRT-Emudriver and a normal CRT? Is shmupMAME better than the latest version?

Question for you guys, since I couldn't find a straight answer elsewhere on the web:
My Saturn doesn't seem to be outputting any sync on the RGB cables I bought for it. The cables are CSYNC and the monitor's settings are correct but I still get nothing but purple banding when I power the Saturn on. Any suggestions?

>>5478317
Nice meme, S-Video was used almost exclusively by video nerds throughout the 90s and never saw widespread adoption at all. Most people went straight from composite to component when their cable companies sent them HD kits in 2005.

>>5478317
>This idea that "of course everyone on /vr/ used rf/composite back in the day" is simply hogwash. Bullshit.
I'm so sorry for offending your pussy ass. I meant to say that 95% of /vr/ played on RF or composite. The other 5% is a statistical anomaly that has nary a nickle in this quarter.

>Just because you were clueless as a kid does not mean the rest of us were. I have not used composite video since 1993, arcade monitors looked extremely good and crisp due a high quality RGB image (particularly Mortal Kombat I and II were amazing). PC monitors also had great RGB images. By the late 90s anyone serious about video games who was not literally a kid less than ten years old was aware of s-video if they were paying attention
In 1993, I was 8. I didn't care about RGB because I had never even seen a game played on a PVM. Neither had you unless you were a dev. Nobody had PVMs or BVMs at home in 1993 except people who worked at TV stations or some other shit who wanted a free TV for their kids to play, and even then the consoles were still imputing via the coax in the back on RF.
S-Vid is nice, but compared to the RGB on a PVM it's near as makes no difference to composite. Nobody was modding their NES/SNES/Genesis to output RGB in 1993 either.
Nor in 2000. Nobody even gave a shit about those systems in 2000 except the ultimate nerds. And nobody was taking their gaming image quality that serious in 2000. If you were lucky enough to have a TV with an s-vid input, AND bothered caring about it, your Dreamcast was probably hooked up to the shitty-ass projection TV in your family's living room in your off-brand McMansion because your father's DVD player took up the important input(component).

SUBURBIA!

>>5479457
>PVMs and BVMs are only RGB capable sets on earth
>only way of getting rgb from SNES/Genesis is to mod them

>>5478810
Then talk to your bank about getting a loan to buy a lab-grade spectroradiometer. I don't know what else to tell you. Sorry for trying to offer folks a $200 solution instead of a $20,000 one.

>>5479529
You weren't getting RGB out of either in the 1990s. You also didn't own a PVM or BVM in the 1990s. It's irony of the highest order when "hardcore" retro gamers go on and on about original hardware being the only real way to play the games as they were intended while using commercial/industrial monitors and inputs. PVMs were awesome, back when they were reasonably priced. $100 for a high-quality CRT that likely has 20,000+ hours of use on the clock isn't bad. But now? $200 and the jackasses selling them don't even offer to pay the shipping.

Maybe because I'm a homeowner and I pay a mortgage and escrow and all that shit, that when I see others in my generation just tossing their monies out to people taking advantage of their naivete, I get worried. Very few people seem to understand frugality anymore. To the point where when someone says to be frugal, that person is called a poorfag. Let me be the first to tell you that blowing cash on fleeting goods is a fast way into an eventual poorhouse.

>>5479581
>You weren't getting RGB out of either in the 1990s. You also didn't own a PVM or BVM in the 1990s.
maybe if you are american. Here in Europe we have RGB scart, which pretty much all TV's had by default and both snes and mega drive supports RGB out of the box(and so did other consoles, ps1 - 3 for example), all you need is the rgb scart cable cable(easy to find) and bam, done.

Pic related, I had one back in the day for my ps1.

>>5478770
That looks like shit

>>5476120
200 is completely fair.

>>5476405
Ive had pretty much no problems but be sure to ask sellers to remove the terminators before they ship.

>>5477574
Load up smpte color bars and calibrate with blue only mode on bvm

>>5470038
It's most likely done for. How old is it?
You could try to upregulate or "rejuvenite" it but after that it decays even faster. There may be other options, but none can magically heal the "guns".

>>5479573
I don't want to do that. Even $300 dell monitors come with a calibration report, and yet x-rite won't even give a ballpark figure on the accuracy of the calibration tool they're selling?

Just traded this Sony KV-21T1D for beer. It was working nicely for about half a hour until the screen started flickering horizontally and after a while it calmed and now it's sitting at half. The seller said he hasn't used the CRT for years, so I guess it has something to do with that.
Anybody tips for fixing?

>>5479734
The key selling point of these colorimeters is that they can utilize bundled spectral corrections for the most popular types of display technology. The only way those spectral corrections can work properly is if the underlying engineering of the colorimeter is consistent within a very low dE. For what it's worth, the i1Display Pro is the exact same meter as the Spectracal C6, which incidentally is a recommendation that Netflix specifies in their standards and practices for calibrating and profiling displays used in production. And if that's not enough, the link I previously posted showed minimal variability among 13 units purchased at retail. Hell, even anecdotally I have personally tested both an i1Display Pro and a Colormunki Display, and the resulting calibrations differed by a fractional dE. But sure, I guess a piece of paper would make me feel marginally better.

>>5479393
NTSC or PAL Saturn?

>>5479882
NTSC Model 2 although I don't think there's a difference between Model 1 and 2s.

>>5479892
I only asked because PAL Saturns don't use composite sync, and in the case of Retrorgb's cables, they add auto-aspect ratio switching to their PAL cable which is incompatible with NTSC Saturns. You probably already know.

Other annoying obvious questions:
Proper resistor and capacitor on sync as needed by the Saturn?
Saturn and cable both work with other displays?
Absolutely sure monitor is switched to a mode that accepts RGBS, not RGBHV or RGsB, at 15 kHz?

>>5479857
At least the C6 comes with that piece of paper. A $600 piece of paper, but still.
I'm still thinking about getting a second device though and possibly reselling it..

>>5471683
sent you an offer, very interested

>>5479914
>Other annoying obvious questions:
>Proper resistor and capacitor on sync as needed by the Saturn?
Not sure, honestly wouldn't know what to look for here.
>Saturn and cable both work with other displays?
Saturn works fine on it's composite cable on other displays but I can't test the cable elsewhere as my PVM is the only display I have that I can hook SCART to, via BNC breakout.
>Absolutely sure monitor is switched to a mode that accepts RGBS, not RGBHV or RGsB, at 15 kHz?
I'll re check the menu but I'm pretty sure because my SNES is using a cable from the same person on the same input and works fine.

>>5479804
Possibly a horizontal frequency issue. If so it should be an easy fix.

Are there any CRTs over 20" (preferably 32"ish range) that /vr/ would recommend?

>>5479961
The cable requirements are described on https://www.retrorgb.com/saturn.html
However the example pics on that page show a less severe issue than what you're describing.

Also, two important notes from the US seller of the PAL version of the cable linked on the above page
>For use with the European (PAL) Sega Saturn only. Uses both voltage lines in the PAL Saturn's AV port to switch to 4:3 on a compatible SCART TV. This feature is incompatible with NTSC Saturns and will produce drain on your sync signal. Please purchase the correct cable for your setup.
>This cable uses Luma to sync the image as PAL Saturns lack the csync line in the AV out.

I probably can't help beyond that, as I've never seen the issue you're having.

>>5480014
Based on the way you phrased that question, just avoid the HDTVs in that size range and you're fine

>>5480014

>>5480049
how many gorillions of dollars am I going to have to save up for this?

Just pulled this Trinitron out of an electronics recycling bin, is it repairable lads?

>>5480265
What's wrong with it?

>>5480151
Enough to hire a team of private investigators round the clock to hunt one down, a team of professional thieves since no one with one of these will sell it, a crane to lift it out of whatever building it's sitting in, a ship to smuggle it out of the country, etc. At least one gorillion should do

>>5480268
colours are fucked, only showing green most of the time, it randomly switched to a weird rgb rainbow for a couple of minutes but I didnt get a pic of it.

>>5480284
It could be the rgb cables that go to the cathode tube, nothing to complicated

>>5478770

I love them.. I have 5! I have 2x 1702s, 1080, 1902A, and 1084. When you hook them up to LCA or RGB they really shine.

>>5479618

His picture really doesn't do the monitor justice. They look great when hooked up to a proper quality source. Pic related. That's my Commodore 1080 monitor hooked up to an Amiga with RGB.

Found a video of one of those Chinese CRTs I saw ITT a while back (which is unfortunately all in Bengali). To my knowledge, these are quite possibly the only brand new CRTs still being produced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HovUBEvlpAQ

>>5480014
JVC AV-32F704, or anything else in their early-to-mid 2000s "i'Art" series. I owned two a while back, and my friend had a 36" one he bought brand new. They were some of the highest rated sets on the market at the time. Heavy as all fuck and no good place to lift them from, so make sure you transport with a friend.

Pic isn't mine, found it on google, but I had the same model. Loved it.

>>5480506
>or anything else in their early-to-mid 2000s "i'Art" series
Careful, there were HD i'Arts.

I have an issue I cant seem to figure out

For the longest time I had a PC HD5450 setup hooked up via VGA-BNC to my PVM using emudriver and had no issues

Did some moving around and came to the picture being offset. I did a OS reinstall and practically followed emudriver's guide step-by-step - and got to the point where my spare VGA driver gets out of sync, but I still get the same picture.

I replaced the cable today, and still have the same problem. My PS2 works fine. Is it something with the BIOS? Or is it something with emudriver that I'm missing?

>>5480591
>and got to the point where my spare VGA monitor goes out of sync, but plugging back into my PVM I still get the same picture.

fixed

also the guide
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1052#p1052

>>5480592
try selecting generic 15khz

>>5480628
i did, as well as EDID emulation with analog 1 parameters - per the guide

i know for some reason it's not within the PVM khz range. maybe it's the windows drivers, going to try to work with soft15khz and see what happens

>>5469065
So everyone and their mom (literally, because wannabe PVM weenies have their moms helping them) has memorized every model in the Sony PVM and BVM lines by heart, as well as every FD Trinitron released in the US (you know how and from where), but what about Panasonic and other manufacturers? Are there model lists for noobs to print out and bring with them? Because there should be, while we still have all these kids running around rescuing usable tech from the junkyard. Imagine all the gorgeous reference monitors and TVs being ignored and left to be shipped off to recyclers because everyone's only looking for muh Sonys or whatever brands are "author approved" in some dipshit faq. Visit craigslist these days and the search box will autofill Sony PVM and Sony BVM, and it's been like this for years now.. We need everyone to be on the lookout for more than just that. And not just people in the know like the core of /crt/'s userbase. We should be enlisting every resource possible.

>>5477631
>>5477641
Totally read your post wrong. As the other guy said Yoshi's Island. I chose a bunch of games to test the colors.

>>5477930
It's an old Snes to GC adapter from Retro USB, https://www.retrousb.com/ They're unfortunately discontinued at this point I wanted a second one.I think I was pre 2010. It's extremely handy and I use it for both my wired snes, and an 8bitdo wireless receiver with the sn30pro. It's really useful for anything 2D or something like Resident Evil 3. As of wads I have Rondo of Blood, a Mario 64 Multiplayer hack and paper mario methinks.

>>5478349
My monitor has feet underneath the back end of the unit but none at the front so it stands angled down. The shipping box had a ton of these thin foam squares and stacked they work as a pretty decent base for the front. I saved a couple more in case these degrade. It's stable enough to keep it level for the extron, which will be moved underneath once my modded ps2 and rgb n64 arrive alongside respective rgb cables.

>>5480712
Kind of a dark picture but shows off the scanlines and colors

>>5477341
Both are good but the grapes are always sour, aren't they.

>>5480717

>TFW two nice CRTs but no money for actual retro games
They're fun for Melee at least.

>>5480591
>>5480592
>>5480628
>>5480637
still not working - can at least say the picture shown is caused by my computer not emulating 15khz and not the tv itself?

>>5480725
just logically it's unlikely that the same hardware setup would fail to work if you replicated the same steps with the same software. why would anything about the display or card firmware need to be changed in that case? the most likely cause is something different in software configuration.

There are four CRTs in this photo.

>>5480830
Nice cat, anon

>>5480692
Can't go wrong with any of the following:

Panasonic Tau (some models were HD)
JVC iArt (some models were HD)
JVC D-Series (Curved, amazing stuff)
Toshiba AF Series (ie: 27AF43)
Sony anything SD

>>5480529
Yeah, that's the one my friend had. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain that it didn't upscale 240p/480i signals the same way that most of the widescreen HD CRTs do. I can't say as I know for certain as it's been over a decade since I've used it, but SNES games were crisp, and my friend was an even bigger A/V nut than I am, and he would have never settled for a TV that upscaled SNES games.

>>5469330
The 250 TV Line effect looks sexy.

>>5480692
Every brand of production/broadcast is now sought after, as scalpers will even put PVM/BVM in their ebay listings for other monitors brands.
Pic related is a couple of JVC monitors I picked up recently.

>>5481065
There are true multisync CRT HDTVs, but I've never seen one that didn't at the very least deinterlace 480i to 480p.

>SNES games were crisp
Do you recall seeing visible scanlines?

>>5481309
God I wish that were me

>>5481324
Honestly, no. Like I said, it's been 10 years or maybe more, so I very well could be mistaken. I'll have to ask my friend next time I see him. As far as I know, the TV is still in his old room at his parents house.

>>5471683
>that Final Fight pic
The depth is fucking crazy on CRT's.
Not even OLED's have this depth, why is that?

>>5481676
wat

>>5481676
Yeah because tube tvs are boxes and oleds are flat so tube tvs have 3d depth because of all that space in there it can make a real living world out of cartoon looking video games flat panels can't do that it's just science you can't explain it that's why ive been using my jvc for years people ask me jeremy why are you watching the super bowl on that thing you can barely see the score i tell them 1 to get on their knees and suck my hairy balls while i shit on their chin and 2 it has the depth

>>5481676
Not sure what criteria you're evaluating, but the black levels and contrast of plasma and oled should provide that same sense of depth. At least that much has been a solved problem for a while, evading mostly lcd users

>>5481309
Angry cat is angry.

>>5481730
holy based

>>5480735
>>5480591
an update - looks like it was the Y connector for the H and V BNC cables (it's a 5-BNC, so you need to join them). bought a new one at frys and it resolved the picture!

>>5482217
Nice, good work isolating it to a faulty part that worked before.

>>5482302
thanks for the kind words

for the archives: i messed around and plugged the H and V cables independently to the IN EXT SYNC port and the picture was fine respective to the axis. then i plugged one to IN and one to OUT and the picture was perfect; switched backed to my LCD and the prompt showed out of a sync, implying the computer was still running at 15khz

How much would you say this is worth?

>>5482454
1000 words about God-knows-what

>>5482454
>composite
free.99

Finally had the three horizontal RGB lines issue happen to my PVM. Adjusting the blanking setting didn't do anything. Is a desoldering tool necessary to replace to remove the old caps?

>>5482512
Would you believe me if I told you they're selling it for 100?

>>5482567
No, you can replace caps with just a soldering iron

>>5482638
Yes

>>5482640
Yeah with some desoldering wick. But desoldering is harder than soldering in my opinion. It's always best to practice on scrap first.

>>5482676
You don't 'need' desoldering wick, but you risk tugging too hard and ripping something off.

>>5482153
She's getting tired of this bullshit
On the other hand, she won't leave her RGB cat warmers once they're turned on

>>5482686
When you do that the holes will usually still be full of solder. So to put the new cap in you have to heat and push. Not worth it, wick is vital to have on hand.

>>5482739
for single sided through hole stuff can be easier to pull out just with heat then wick instead.

>got myself a nice crt monitor
>it's hd

>>5481730
fucking kek'd

>>5476141
could be the vga cable

>>5483135
>it's hd
should look great with a Wii or Xbox 360.

>>5483135
depending on its inputs, it should range from ok to great with everything from dreamcast up

>>5482725
Careful with that, Anon, I've seen some nasty pictures of CRTs FULL of cat hair from that sort of thing

>>5475260
>just got this 19 in JVC and some throwaway PVM for 40 bucks

stay mad

Just got my second PVM but I have everything I need hooked up to my first one. What should I do with it? It's a 14M2.

>mfw custom CRT-Royal on a cheap PC CRT looks 99.99% the same as real 240p RGB on a "$500" PVM/BVM

>>5483135
post model

>>5483460
Stick it in a corner, ignore it forever, and keep looking for more CRTs.

>>5483525
kek

>>5483460
Use it for dedicated tate mode

>>5483467
I didn't pay $500 for anything faggot., Stay jelly.

>>5483468
samsung syncmaster 753c
it looks shitty but the 85hz is neat

>>5473114
That resolution looks like shit. Just watch the DVD version.

>>5473881
>There aren't though. There is not a single native Wii widescreen game because the Wii isn't capable of native widescreen. It's all anamorphic.
>He hasn't played Xenoblade
LMAO

>>5483630
Do you not know what anamorphic means? Retard.

>>5483467
lmao fuck no
you need 8k resolution to properly simulate a crt
you also need shit tons of brightness to compensate for the brightness loss(from the scanlines and from blur reduction)
you also need true blacks and non-meme accurate colors

you'll have to wait for microled(with 8k resolution) for this and you'll have to wait for CPU advancements to be able to run these future shaders at full speed with high frame delay on MAME for this to be even remotely feasible

until then enjoy your welfare setup lmao

>>5483679
Xenoblade was true widescreen retard.

Lads, quick question because it's been bothering me:
My current main TV gets dim whenever the contents of the screen get "bright". The brightness returns to normal as soon as whatever bright contents return to whatever one would consider "normal"; it's like the adjustment drops out whenever it gets bright. Could it be a dead cap? There's no noise or anything like a chirping from a dying cap. It's over composite, if that matters. It's an early 80s magnavox, with oodles of inputs, so that's the main reason I'm still using it.

will pic related accept rgb or component signal?
samsung 959nf crt monitor

>>5483971
It literally said R G B right there.

>>5483728
No it wasn't you brain dead fuck. It could display in widescreen but it wasn't native. 640x480 is not a widescreen resolution. You're relying on your display to stretch the image. It's anamorphic. The wii isn't capable of any resolutions past 640x480.

>>5483987
yea but doesn't rgb scart have also a sync cable?
im just confused about monitors with rgbhv since i never used them only tv's with ypbpr and rgb scart

>>5483467
>tfw I got RGB capable 20" multiformat TV for free

>>5484005
You'd figure that H/V would stand for Horizontal/Vertical sync

>>5484064
>multiformat TV
These don't really exist. Apart for that weird JVC(?) that allows VGA inputs from PCs.

>>5484074
Meant that as in accepts ntsc signals in addition of pal

>>5484067
Fuckmeimstupid

Thanks!

>>5483723
>you need 8k resolution to properly simulate a crt
That's when you're simulating the mask and phosphor elements. That is unnecessary when you are using a PC CRT. The only thing you actually have to simulate is the beam amplitude of the raster being drawn. CRT-Royale provides the finest control over the type of scanlines you see out of the shaders I've tested so far. They are not just flat, uniform lines but actually simulate the way a real CRTs beam width and strength will change depending on what is being drawn.

>true black
A good PC CRT has as good a black any PVM/BVM
>accurate color
see above

>you'll have to wait
Nope. I am literally looking at it right now. Could do a side by side comparison but I sold my last PVM on ebay because the value was too much to hold on to when I've got a PC CRT that will do the same job more conveniently. I suppose I could run 240p120 to the monitor and take a screenshot then switch inputs to the same thing running through shaders. But the problem there would be true 240p120 has very thick and unsightly scanlines on this monitor due to the dot pitch being very high (in TVL it would be way over 1000). With CRT-Royale you can emulate whatever TV line count you want so I can get nicer looking video monitor scanlines.

>>5483614
That's an excellent monitor and the only reasons it could look shitty are

1. it is damaged/malfunctioning
2. user error

With a little bit of set-up the image you get from that monitor should be superb.

>>5484089
inb4 he tries 15khz on it

>>5483723
>anger intensifies
>8k arrives
>”lol fuck u need 16k to PROPERLY emulate CRT”

>>5483135
Did you seriously buy a VGA monitor expecting it to take 15Khz?

>>5483723
So basically wait 4 more years?

>>5484351
No, that guy is being a drama queen. 4k or even 1440p is enough for CRT-Royale to do a very good job with.

>>5483729
Realized there was something I hadn't tried; turned color knob off so it was grayscale; dimming still happens the same amount during the same scenes.
It seems as if I torture the set and put the vertical hold so that the picture is very slightly rolling, the dimming does not occur, only while the picture is properly synced.
Also happens no matter if the '3.58 trap' switch is on or off. Any other adjustments I would have to open the back of the TV, I assume?

>>5484535
I'm no expert but that sounds like a high voltage problem, you could try turning down the g2 to see if that has an effect

>>5484564
Thanks anon, I'll have to pop it open next time I have a chance and give it a shot; anything to try is a good thing to try, after all.

I found a 35 inch RCA "Home Theatre" today. It has 3 composite inputs and a S-Video input. I'm not sure what the actual model is. It's built into a walnut colored cabinet with glass doors below it.

Would this be a good CRT to buy?

>>5484564
That worked entirely, a tiny hair turn solved it, thanks anon! I had to fiddle with the focus a little afterwards too, and then barely bump the picture knob up once I put it back together, almost no dimming now. Pic related, shitty phone pic of a once dark scene that I used for adjustment (unfortunately not vidya, since getting to a dimmed bit would take too long right now).

I've got 2 HP clone FW900's, one in better condition than the other but both very good condition, and there's a dude nearby on craigslist who's been looking for one for a while. I've been saving the one as a spare for the future, or for dual monitors if I get the desk to support 200lbs, but I've been contemplating throwing this guy a bone and selling one to him. What do you guys think, and what price would you shoot for

>>5484694
set your camera shutter speed to 60hz

>>5484806
Fair price or ebay price?

>>5484809
I was thinking in between, I got them for what I feel was a steal ($100 for both), I think one sold on ebay recently for 1k, there's one currently listed for 2k (absurd), but they're so rare that I don't know what a 'fair' price is

>>5484079
"multistandard"

>>5484913
I'd offer 800 burgers

This is Phoenix audio, right?

>>5485004
Ya. Note phoenix connectors come in different sizes and no idea what pinout that thing is using.

>>5477758
great title screen, shitty game

>>5485053
Delete this

Guys. Help.
A guy here is selling a Beovision MX 6000 (pic related) for 30€.
Do I jump on it?
I already have a PVMeme.

>>5469531
>>5469516
Most PC monitors buit like that had little holes to get to a few controls, and the ones on the flyback were normally amongst them.

>>5471210
It's possible to use GPU's from two different manufacturers, at least in theory. I don't think there's a way to use two different drivers from the same manufacturer though. You might get away with a low end card that still uses the adrenaline variant of crt_emudriver, and an RXvega as well, i guess. But if an AAA title wants you to update, you're fucked unless you can find a registry hack to tell windows you're on a different version driver to the crt_emudriver one.

>>5483971
Will take RGB, but probably won't do 15kHz/480i/240p?

>>5485090
That's a very good price of that. I would if I had the space for it, it even comes with the remote which is lost in many cases. These TVs basically require the original remote. If your PVM is big enough then maybe not...

>>5485195
My PVM is 20 inch.
And yeah, space might be an issue. Also I don't know if it has component inputs.
That would be a deal breaker.

Trying to make a SNES RGB cable. I had all the grounds going to the grey ground line (pin 5), and I used the cable for a while. Yesterday I saw a little glitching on my monitor and I checked my cable to be sure I had it wired right and no wires touching. I see there's apparently 2 grounds, on pins 5 and 6. I had nothing going to pin 6, but looking at the scart connector, it has a capacitor going from pin 16 to 18. Should I have connected the RGB coax grounds to this pin 18 instead of where I had them all going to pin 4? Then the audio to the pin 4?

^^^ audio grounds to pin 4 I mean

>>5483723
Most of the details you speak of requiring a 8k monitor you literally can’t even see unless you jam your eyeballs right up against the screen or shoot with a zoom lens. I still think CRT is the best for gaming but come on, a good shader on my 2017 Sony TV is just as bright and indistinguishable from a good CRT, even more so when you’re actually in game playing mode and not inspecting pixels like Where’s Waldo. Let it go.

Trying to make a SNES RGB cable. I had all the grounds going to the grey ground line (pin 5), and I used the cable for a while. Yesterday I saw a little glitching on my monitor and I checked my cable to be sure I had it wired right and no wires touching. I see there's apparently 2 grounds, on pins 5 and 6. I had nothing going to pin 6, but looking at the scart connector, it has a capacitor going from pin 16 to 18. Should I have connected the RGB coax grounds to this pin 18 instead of where I had them all going to pin 4 of the SCART(which is the grey ground going to pin 5 on the SNES multi)? Then the audio grounds to the pin 4?

>>5480049
I'm convinced it doesn't exist, except as marketing vaporware. Has anyone ever seen one? With the internet, someone somewhere would have posted a pic.

>>5485267
The grounds are connected together on the console side, shouldn't make much difference.

>>5483971
It won't accept RGB from a console because it needs a 31khz signal. Consoles are 15khz.

You'd need to run your consoles through a scan doubler to make that work.

>>5485278
implying dreamcast isn't the only console you'll ever need

>>5485275
Are they connected in the console? My cable is some chinese thing that not all the grounds are hooked up (like half the pins go nowhere). The schematic shows a common ground rail, mine has none of the grounds connected to the SNES multi out except for pin 5 of the SNES multi to pin 4 of the SCART, and pin 6 of the SNES multi to pin 18 of the SCART (which has a capacitor going to pin 16, and pin 16 also has a resistor going to pin 8 of SCART). Should I just connect the two grounds together (pin 4 and 18 of SCART)?

>>5485289
all of the grounds on the SCART end should be connected together if using regular wires.

>>5485209
They all have RGB SCART as far as I know. I use a ME6000 daily and it's an incredible display.

>>5485296
>Scart
Well shit. Any component to scart converter out there? Or do I have to change all my cables?

>>5485326
Depends on what you mean by component.

>>5485336
Ypbpr cables

>>5484348
i'm dumb i know

>>5485360
Then yes. Why do you even have those?

>>5485379
Because it's the ones I need to connect the consoles to my current monitor?

>>5485384
Your PVM supports YPbPr but not RGB? Didn't know that was a thing.

>>5485404
Now look here friend, I think somewhere we've had a misunderstanding, could be my lack of good English but anyway.
My PVM takes RGB but I'm using component cables because it only has BNC connectors.

Now if that other TV comes with Scart input then that would mean I would have to change all my cables unless I can find an inbetween solution.

>>5485409
So you want to have something like this?

>>5485409
Can you link the cables you are using?

>>5485416
That's not a transcoder dude. What you need to know is- are the components cables just carrying RGB? If so, an adapter like that would work. If you are using YPbPr then you need a transcoder.

a black 34-inch s-video-only trinitron popped near me should i get it or stick with my sd wega with component?

>>5484652
Is it in good conditioN? If you're alright with forgoing component inputs for a big display with cool looks, it might be a good choice.

>>5485582
>>>/r/eddit

>>5485582
>>5485658
It's true tho
Why it be like that

Is 150 euros a fair price for a Sony G70 tri-tube projector ?
I kinda want to go down this rabbit hole, now that I'm fairly stock with regular monitors.

>>5485915
Because CRTs are made out of a myriad of different materials; metals, plastics, rubber, glass, etc, and all of those materials expand and contract at different rates when exposed to changes in temperature. When combined with the sheer weight of many of the components, as temperatures fall in your house, especially at night when heaters are usually turned down and it just gets cooler in general, it causes a lot of tiny shifts in components that are under considerable pressure. This is mostly true for any large fixture/furniture/appliance that randomly creaks even though nobody is touching it, as well as houses themselves.

You stupid nigger.

>>5483729
I enjoyed an old Magnavox too when I was young until funny enough it started doing the exact same thing. It was stereo and had RCA stereo input jacks, but only RF for video, with a mode to use them simultaneously. Kind of interesting to use with a model 1 Genesis at the time.

>>5484002
Idk why you guys are insulting each other but native, non-native, who cares, it's nitpicking. One of the nice things about CRTs being non-fixed pixel displays is that adjusting the aspect ratio of the raster to fit some specification is trivial without scaling and not tied to any physical pixel array. Wii was an SD console released at a time when widescreen TVs already practically dominated the market, and anamorphic widescreen makes just as much sense for Wii software as it does on the many film to DVD transfers that employed the same technique. Most people would probably rather watch an anamorphic DVD on a widescreen TV (even on a fixed-square-pixel type) than the "full frame" 4:3 version of the same movie, I think. It's non-lossy, results in correct geometry (correct here meaning "intended"), and is smart use of the full resolution of the signal. Common DVD resolution was 720x480 in NTSC and 720x576 for PAL, neither being mathematically 4:3 or 16:9 but designed to be used either way. Anamorphic image manipulation isn't anything weird. It's just that resolution alone isn't enough information to define image geometry because pixels aren't always square (or intended to be treated as square). Anamorphic widescreen is "real" widescreen.

>>5485053
Good game, mediocre title screen
Sonic 1, CD and 3K all have superior title screens

>>5485915
>>5485989
Everything does this actually.
My LCD tv does it too. The noise is different but it's there.

>>5485928
If it is in good condition that's a fucking steal.
G70 can do 110khz scanrate which means it can do 1080p and even higher.
Also it has 1200 lumens of brightness.
http://www.curtpalme.com/SonyG70.shtm

Found a nice little guide thing for discharging CRTs.

>>5486608
That contains a couple small things specific to apple's old computers (like the special 'discharge tool'), but the screwdriver tip is exactly how I've always discharged them.

My first CRT discharge was a bit shifty, though, in hindsight. Don't do it like this.

I have a cheapo genesis scart cable but no way to use scart. I really don't want to pay $40 for scart to bnc and I have some bnc jacks on hand, so it looks like I'm making a custom cable.
Anyone else done this before?

>>5485053
Best genesis sonic game. You can fight me on this.

>>5486641
Yep
1)Open the SCART, disconnect the wires. Alternatively, just cut off the SCART end.
2)Get a small box/project housing. An Altoids tin would work, and would also eliminate the need to solder in a few ground points by utilizing the metal tin as a common ground.
3)Order four panel-mount female BNC connectors, 75 ohm, from Mouser/digikey, and 4 BNC cables. Alternatively, order 4 RCA female -> BNC male adapters to tack on the back of your monitor, and buy four panel-mount RCA jacks. I did the RCA route for cheapness.
Order also a rubber grommet of an appropriate size for the diameter/gauge of your outer cable.
4) drill a hole in your project housing/tin that you will feed your cable into. Get your cable in the grommet, and then get the grommet into the hole. (or put the grommet into the hole, and then feed your cable through. Whatever works better for you.)
You can use hot glue instead of a grommet, but be careful if you decide to take this route to make your cable secure as possible.
Drill four more holes for your BNC or RCA panel mount jacks, probably on the other side of the housing from the cable entry.
Mount your BNC's or RCA's, solder your R/G/B/Sync wires into place, and ground all the connectors. If you used a metal housing, this is accomplished by just using the panel mounting 'nut' for one of the jacks to clamp the ground wire to the metal housing, or by sanding down on your housing a bit to get a rough surface and then soldering it down.
5) Make sure your cable on the input side is secure (that is, that it doesn't slide forward and backward in and out of the housing when pushed). If it moves around, use epoxy or some other means of securing it.

Run BNC or RCA cables from that to the monitor.

I have a pic of a cable I made for my friend's SNES, but I can't find it at the moment. It's probably on my old phone or something. I'll look for it.

Ended up looking pretty damn nice.

>>5486726
Didn't find that one, but found a composite video one I made for a guy's Famicom.

>>5486641
By the way, unlike with the SNES, those 220uf capacitors aren't strictly necessary.
At least, not for my genesis.
The RGB output of my genesis doesn't have any significant DC offset, so they're pretty much pointless here. Unlike the SNES, where it definitely should have caps if possible.

>>5486793
The 75ohm resistors can also be safely omitted if using BNC connectors which should already terminate.

>>5486641
>>5486726
Also:
For genesis sync, if you choose to use the CSYNC signal directly, you should definitely buffer it somehow. I used an 74LS08, but anything would work. an LM1881 would probably provide a more pedantically 'correct' 1vpp sync pulse, but I can tell you my PVM collection has all worked fine with TTL sync from a 7400 series chip.

If you use composite video for sync like I believe your pic does, your image will shift left and right slightly when the intensity of colors on screen changes. But it will work without any chips.

If you don't buffer the raw csync line, you won't get a picture at all because the csync signal from the genesis is on an open collector output from the genesis VDP. When connected, the load from the TV will temporarily cripple the VDP.