/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5486502
Did you check in the sofa? You have as much chance finding one there as you do in a thrift store. At least with the sofa you might find some tasty snacks.

>>5486505
Dude, I'm just getting into this.
I've got no clue.

>>5486505
Found mine at Salvo Army.
It's rare but it happens.

>>5486502
Can't go wrong with any Trinitron.

You're not gonna find any CRTs, thrift stores banned them a while ago.

Thrift stores most of the time don't have industrial/commercial electronics in them.

If you must have a meme monitor, check with local tv stations, community colleges with a/v classes, medical or government surplus, or even a small time TV repair joint might have something laying around. You're getting into the game years late, and most sources have been scoured at this point. You might have to swallow your pride and pay stupid amounts of money for one.

Or you can just find a CRT with S-Video and call it good enough. Even a cheapass Sanyo or something will be just fine. Try to get something 90's or newer, since 90's and 00's CRTs are the best consumer sets in terms of picture quality, and you're more likely to be able to find a service manual or remote for it.

>>5486548
>Or you can just find a CRT with S-Video and call it good enough. Even a cheapass Sanyo or something will be just fine. Try to get something 90's or newer, since 90's and 00's CRTs are the best consumer sets in terms of picture quality, and you're more likely to be able to find a service manual or remote for it.
This would be a great idea in 2009 when people were unloading entire mountains of them.

>>5486554
People still unload these things.
Even as a bonus you can find ones with component which is pretty damn close to RGB. Just avoid HD CRTs.

>>5486554
>This would be a great idea in 2009 when people were unloading entire mountains of them.
Go on craigslist. I know my area has been hit hard, but I still see a 30-inch Apex, 23-inch Toshiba, 19-inch Goldstar, and a 36-inch JVC the owner apparently threw away since no one wanted.

>>5486527
Cant imagine you carrying that with such tiny legs

>>5486502
If you're in Australia I can get you one, I work in film/television and we literally have storage basements full of them.

>>5486527
retro lanklet

The Mitsubishi Megaview are good. There's a 29 inch class and a 37. NEC also made some large monitors, the XM29, XP29+, XM37, XM37+ XP37 Plus.
MultiSync XM29 Plus $3,295
MultiSync XM37 Plus $7,195
MultiSync XP29 Plus $5,195
MultiSync XP37 Plus $10,250
from https://www.thefreelibrary.com/NEC+Technologies+enhances+CRT+presentation+monitors.-a019462649

broadcaststore . com

The Mitsubishi Megaview are good. There's a 29 inch class and a 37. NEC also made some large monitors, the XM29, XP29+, XM37, XM37+ XP37 Plus. MSRP of some of them:
MultiSync XM29 Plus $3,295
MultiSync XM37 Plus $7,195
MultiSync XP29 Plus $5,195
MultiSync XP37 Plus $10,250
from https://www.thefreelibrary.com/NEC+Technologies+enhances+CRT+presentation+monitors.-a019462649

>>5486502
>hoping to find BVM/PVMs in thrift store
you clearly have no idea what you're doing. Just check your local classifieds and buy a nice consumer CRT. Best brands are Sony, JVC, NEC, Panasonic, Toshiba. RGB is not worth the trouble

>>5487232
True facts, but a quality consumer CRT with component inputs and a transcoder like a shinybow to turn the RGB SCART output into YPbPr along with a familiarity with the TVs service menu will give the same results most people are looking for out of MemeVMs

>PVMemes

Lol. Just buy a nice i'art and learn to fix the geometry yourself. PVM's look like trash compared to a modified i'art/D series. 100% not worth the hassle. Literally memed into existance by reddit. Pic is an 20" I'art found for $5 at Goodwill, and yes, Goodwill still carries them, just call and ask. They legally cannot throw them away.

>>5487253
A JVC i'Art was one of the very few crts I've ever bought that was straight fucked up when I got it home

>>5487261
Learn to fix it. Super easy. One in the pic I posted was super fucked up too.

>>5487262
Considering consumer CRTs cost less than a package of capacitors, I just threw it in the trash and put JVC on my "don't buy" list

>>5487252
This.

>>5486502
Are you circumcised?

>>5486502
>What are good places I can look for BVM/PVMs?
Go fuck yourself you bandwagoner fuck. We really shouldn't spoon feed these fucks, let them learn to use google, too bad that's only a small casual filter. Also there is a CRT perma-general.

>>5486573
>Just avoid HD CRTs.
This is bad advice. It's an internet meme. Some HD sets are lag free. Some have lag. Only an idiot would say to avoid some of the best tubes available to consumers. My WIDESCREEN HD Trinitron looks better on the 4:3 setting than my 20" PVM, and the screen is way bigger, even with the black bars. If you can get a 4:3 HD, you are fucking golden.

Seriously, this "HD CRT LAGGY" bullshit is an old wives tale and you should feel terrible for spreading misinformation.

>>5487651
Actually not even all flat panels have lag issues.

Don't buy one.

t. PVMEME owner

>>5486502
Just get a consumer CRT with component input (or RGB scart). Any decent brand will be fine. You do NOT have to get a Trinitron, they are NOT the holy grail.
As for those broadcast monitors - they are not made for gaming and the image quality on them is far too sharp. So sharp that low res games look like dog shit on them. They are intentionally made to be so sharp as to bring out all the flaws in the image.
You have completely missed the boat in regards to PVM/BVM monitors. The only reason the are popular is because about 15 years ago they were giving them away for free. Now you have idiots hoarding them and charging hundreds of dollars for them. They are not worth it. Do not fall for the meme.

>>5487651
>>5487665
You guys are fucking idiots.

>>5487546
Do you still have your umbilical cord attached?

I used to have a Proscan from the 90s. That was an excellent TV for retro gaming and I wish I still had it.

>>5487887
Ikr

>>5487886
But you're kind of coming off as an apologist here. It's best to just say that the reason people want Trinitrons is for the aperture grille. I would post one of my classic macro shots but you can see it clearly in the above anon's shot of his KVM.

The grille causes the TV's physical pixels to be more square. That's basically it. A lot of people prefer that versus the screen door pattern a shadow mask lays down. You can get those Mitsubishis Anon was talking about to be just as sharp as a PVM, it's just a matter of the pixels being made up of a collection of dots or of segments of vertical lines.

People want pro monitors because the build quality is better, they're more made to be serviced, they have a cool aesthetic and (somewhat importantly in the US) they accept RGB directly.

But at the end of the day, although it's fun to pick up pro monitors when available they're not worth so much more than the local price at which there are still plenty of available quality consumer CRTs.

Scarcity is at a point where it's hard for people to find local pro monitors so of course online prices are going to not be inviting compared to (typical) local prices on hardware that was way more common to begin with

The third world

>>5488009
Aren't they worried about that thing imploding?

I recommend waiting until someone near you puts one on craigslist for a reasonable amount. In the meantime find a consumer crt.

>>5487665
18+

>>5488102

>>5486581
>>5486583

>>5488009

What game is this?

>>5488102

-1

>>5488125
Still 18+

>>5488172
17-

>>5486502
I heard you can find them pretty cheap at target.

>>5488009
I guess they're unaware CRTs explode glass shards when you do that kek

>>5488009
But why though? Are they trying to release demons or what

>>5486502
Just play on pc monitor with reshade.me crt scanline filter.
It pretty awesome, lots of scanline customisation options to play with.
Also works with Shovel Knight. Wings of Vi etc

>>5487262
>Learn to fix it

>kill yourself with 10kV
why not.

>>5486502
My city has a free listing of an HD CRT that supports component. What’s with the HD CRTs that you guys say is shit?

>>5489441
it’s a trinitron btw. My current crt is a Magnavox that doesn’t even support composite

>>5489245
>darwin award
you deserve one

>>5486502
>What are the best CRTVs I can use if I cannot find a pvm/bvm?

A CRT PC monitor. More specifically, a trinitron PC monitor.

>>5489523
>More specifically, a trinitron PC monitor.
Hey I don't think so. Aperture grille PC monitors were a thing in the mid-90s onward when Sony's patent on the Triniton expired and crap-tier Taiwanese and Korean brands proliferated. Actual Sony monitors were mediocre as well because Sony at that point outsourced a lot of their production to Third World countries.

>>5489548
Hey I don't think you know what you are talking about and should lurk moar

Trinitron is common parlance for any aperture grille monitor. Like Kleenex for facial tissue.

>crap-tier Taiwanese and Korean brands proliferated
Those "crap-tier" monitor are actually pretty good and I'd snap one up in a second if I came across one for a cheap price.

Sony's own aperture grille monitors are some of the finest CRTs ever made, G2 brightness issue aside. And plenty of them do not suffer from that problem.

But you just go ahead and pass them up. More for the rest of us.

>>5489523
Nope. You're clueless

>>5489568
Holy fuck you're more clueless than I thought. With a heavy dose of "i can't be wrong so i'll make up some bullshit" autism. You should really take your own advice and lurk moar. Certainly until you're at least 18.

I used to have a Mitsubishi Diamondtron. It wasn't all that great and everything had a red tint to it that no amount of adjusting could fix. Wasn't even as good as the shadow mask Cornerstone it replaced.

>>5489441
If it's actually free why wouldn't you try it yourself? Worthless post.

>>5490145
>I have no argument so I will just make a shitpost

>>5490190
It was either malfunctioning or you were missing a setting somewhere to correct it. Diamondtron line is extremely good.

>>5487253
>>5487636
>>5487826
>>5489548
This feels like FUD to me. Like someone is trying to scare buyers away so they will have better access themselves.

PVMs are a complete waste. They're generally too small and you're potentially paying hundreds of dollars for a set that is only marginally better than a good consumer CRT.

Get yourself a nice 27" and up consumer set, fiddle with the service menu and get it looking as nice as you can, then put your money into good cabling/RGB if you really want to spoon money into picture quality.

>>5486502
I got a container of equipment from a studio liquidation.

>>5486502
Don't bother. Old games look best on slot mask tubes. They display the point samples in a way that increases apparent resolution.

>>5490275
>i have no argument so I will just project
FTFYK

>>5489523
I never liked aperture grille monitors for general use. They're more efficient/brighter, but the phosphor layout made things more jagged. I usually kept the brightness down anyway.

>>5490287
>trying to scare buyers away
You got it right there.

I live in place where PVMs are so very very rare.
All the good ones went away like 5 years ago.
The only place you see them now is eBay and they go for stupid money. Especially good ones like the M series (20M4) or the L5 series (20L5). Even the 14 inch ones go for more than $500. Sometimes approaching $1000.

>>5489441
hd crts usually have image-processing-shit which adds lag.

>murrikan consumer-sets usually are composite+svideo, and some with component
>yurop consumer-sets usually are composite+rgb only
>tubes with both component and rgb cost an arm and a leg
it hurts.

>>5490996
Composite is the best way to play 16-bit games. The graphics were specifically designed for it.

>>5490287
>>5490953

ITT: Paranoid dipshits.

Have fun spending two months getting your PVM to work right, oh, and not to mention the fact that 90% of PVM's arent going to come with the RGB card you need to make it look good installed, those are an additional $200-$300. Ill stick with my JVC's that already look better than that with a mere two hours work done to them.

>>5487124
Where in Australia?

>>5490996
Australia doesn't have SCART either.

>>5491193
More FUD. Connecting via RGB is a very simple matter, especially if you just go out and buy the pre-made cables.

BVMs are the ones that more commonly need an RGB card, but nearly every single one of those would be found with one already installed. All but the very last generation PVMs had video inputs hard wired, no card system used at all.

the only good thing about pvms is they are so tiny so you can actually carry them

>>5491464
You can smell the paranoia. I own zero and plan to own zero PVM's. If I see one in the wild, I would unironically walk away and maybe tell someone else about it. I dont care to own one. Period.

Fuck, I am in this boat now. My old crt is slowly dying (the picture keeps getting more and more dim). I've looked around at local thrift stores and no one even carries them. It seems like a couple of years ago when mine was working fine you would find these regularly on the side of the road but it seems it is getting harder to find good working ones..

>>5491740
Craigslist, LetGo, Facebook Market place, actually calling places like Goodwill and Salvation Army.

When you call, say this:
Yeah, I realize you guys dont have them on the floor anymore but I would be willing to take some off your hands if you could let me look at them.

Gwill and Sarmy literally cannot toss them in the trash, its illegal. They have them there at the locations. Also check or call smaller pawnshops.

>>5491702
The handles on my 20" pvmeme aren't placed properly in regards to the center of gravity, so it's fucking awful to carry alone. I don't know if this is a common thing.

>>5486502
>What are the best CRTVs I can use if I cannot find a pvm/bvm?

>PVM
Any of the SD Trinitrons. One with component video would be nice. But tbqh PVMs are very overrated and you should just look at every quality of a CRT and choose the one for your situation. In my case I would rather have a 36" CRT with s-video than a 20" CRT with RGB. The bigger size is just much more comfortable to play, especially sitting back in a recliner or on a couch.

>BVM
A PC monitor. Or the truer heresy: LCD/Plasma/OLED + CRT-Royale. BVMs do not resemble anything near the rest of the CRT clan in terms of image. They are absolutely razor sharp and look more like OLED than they look like the old CRT you grew up with.

>>5491813
>I don't know if this is a common thing.
no it is not. Monitor your onions intake.

>>5491849
Absolutely epic post my dude. Haha, made me reply xD

>>5491813
you're probably doing it wrong

>>5491740
>My old crt is slowly dying (the picture keeps getting more and more dim)
Shot electron guns.

>>5491954
Yep. Definitely grabbing those built in handles the wrong way..

>>5491973
Cna they be repaired/replaced?

>>5491193
>Ill stick with my JVC's that already look better
shut up before all these retards suck them dry

medical CRT legacy/aftermarket suppliers sometimes stock them. you can try to Jew them down as it's a "request quote" type of thing

>>5492130
yes, some places specialize in refurbishing/repairing CRTs

>>5491975
Are you putting the screen against your stomach?

>>5491193
You seem like a loser. My 20" PVM was a great buy after loving my 27" for decades.

>>5487124
>Australia
I am looking for one in AUS can you help me out?

look at all these shits wishing they had bought or held onto a regular TV. you guys are pathetic. you should have gotten one ten years ago as a last chance.

>>5492551
Only when I want to xray my stomach

>>5492756
then you're doing it wrong

>>5487124
>in Australia
Where exactly?
What Models?
How much?

>>5486502
A doctor I worked for had 2 20" BVMs and we both thought they were trash. Almost replaced them with 24" Acer LCDs (this was in 2007)

>>5487651
how to find out if my model lags?

>want to get a normal homeuser-crt-tv
>sub-20" pretty much nowhere to be found around here
reeeee, not gonna hurl around some 30" behemoth.

>>5486527

>>5486917
>>5487167
>>5493563
(You) do know that convex surfaces distort images, right?

>>5493815
>Sorry I'm not a short fatass

I find that the 14-inch PVMs are great for single player gaming on a desk.
If you have need of multiple players or prefer to play from a couch then a 20-inch (or larger) will be required.

These rules apply not just to PVMs though. But to all CRTs.

I do enjoy my 14-inch PVM, but I would like to one day get a 20L5 and sell off the one I currently have.

I don’t see the point of hoarding multiple. I’d rather let someone else have it and spread them around so more of us can have them.

>>5493452
Test it?

>>5490287
>This feels like FUD to me. Like someone is trying to scare buyers away...

Honestly I have no way to convince you, but as someone owning a 20" PVM, a 13" BVM and a 9" PVM, along with many consumer CRTs, PVM are not worth the current price. I have no desire to buy another. I overpaid like hell on the 20", it was $600, but I wanted it immediately with out searching around. I was on 60hr+ weeks at work so I didn't really give a fuck about the price. It has utterly perfect geometry.

If it was maybe $200 for a 20", then yeah, but being completely honest, if you have a nice large consumer set with component and your consoles running rgb through a transcoder like the retrotek or shineybow, etc, they look nicer than on a 20" pvm. I have the monitors listed above, but I play on a 36" trinitron. Again, I am using the best cables, and RGB, transcoded to Component so it plays on my tv. You could also use those snes to component or genesis to component cables (I can't remember who makes them at the moment).

PVM are unbeatable for watching anime dvd or similar, but for games they look almost too sterile. It's hard to explain, but they almost look like an emulator or too crisp/sterile.

Also, you could literally use s-video on a consumer set and maybe lose 5-10% of "quality" but not spend literally thousands of dollars on cables, adapters, rgb mods, etc. I like soldering and such, so I wanted to do mods for a fun project. If I weren't into soldering and had to do it all over again, I would go with a large consumer set with s-video or the snes/genesis to component cables.

I bet not counting the pvm/bvms I have a thousand dollars or more in mods and high quality cables. This is unnecessary and I fell for the meme as a few years ago most people talked PVMs up like they were the second coming of Christ with no downside other than "poorfags" not being able to afford them.

It's your time and money, do what you want, but remember I warned ya.

>>5491813
Put the glass on your stomach, it protects the glass and is easiest to carry this way. If this is a problem for you, maybe start going to the gym.

>>5491954
>>5494119
>>5491849
>PVM defense force in action justifying objectively poor design
Never change, /vr/. Gotta boost those PVM prices as much as possible.
Literally all they had to do was move those handles a bit more to the front instead of just smacking them in the middle.

>>5494128
>force in actio
I'm >>5494102 I'm the one saying don't buy them, they aren't worth the asking price. But you would know that if you weren't bite the bait anon. Bite the bait anon, please put on a trip so I can filter your cancerous larping.

>>5494128

>>5494102
>PVM are unbeatable for watching anime dvd or similar, but for games they look almost too sterile. It's hard to explain, but they almost look like an emulator or too crisp/sterile.
Scan. Lines.

Retro vidya using progressive scan 240p will look way too sharp because of how tightly focused the scanlines are. This would not be an issue watching TV content in 480i or if you were using 6th gen consoles.

>>5491813
I can carry my 32" toshiba CRT by myself, fuck off wimp

>>5493235
How do you xray your stomach?

>>5486527
>3rd Rock reference
I liked it, at least

>>5487907
Still have the one I bought in 1991. To this day it's still my favorite S-video capable display of many.

>>5488436
CRTs are vacuums to prevent electron collision with air molecules. They don't explode on impact (implying pressurization), they implode.

>>5489518
That's not how Darwin awards work, a non-technical person knowing enough not to screw around with dangerous eletrcial components is too smart to win.

>>5490190
Unless the display was broken/dying, I bet you had it on 6500K or lower under lighting conditions that would have been served by a higher color temperature. Mitsubishi are a top tier manufacturer who always made more high-end products than anything for the low end.

>>5493354
Were you not into retro games or technology in 2007?

>>5494376
>a using progressive scan 2
Very true, dvd and 6th gen look great, stuff that's 240 is indeed the worst looking.

>>5495001
No, I just didn't talk to people on the internet about it; I had a friend I talked retro with and was into the HDTV meme