/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5480416
But thats good.

>>5480416
(you) here’s a free reply
1) it’s a port, not a remake. It’s practically identical to lttp
2) unless you’re going to whine about a sound effect, there is nothing wrong with the gba version

>>5480420
>unless
stopped reading right there

>>5480416
Sure thing

>>5480474
Is Mario 64 the most vaporwave game ever?

>>5480474
>no rainbow bowser
im fucking mad

>>5480518
such an integral part of the game, how dare they.

>>5480416
LttP is pretty much the same game on GBA
Kirby on the other hand...

>>5480416
Does a shitty port really matter if the source material was already mediocre to begin with?

>>5480416
Port, not a remake.
HYA HYUP HAA

>>5480416
this fucking trash and MM

>>5480573
Explain why?

>>5480547
This. People are acting like these were ever good.

>>5480489
It's certainly up there.

>>5480474
why is metal mario a Wario?
what did they do to Scuttlebug?
what fucking ocean dinosaur needs googles?

Soul / Soulless meme

>>5480474
>that waterbug is not green anymore.
>it's sanic

I'm pissed now.

Are remakes and ports still allowed here? I posted Riviera some time ago and the post was deleted.

>>5480597
>why is metal mario a Wario?
Play the fucking game.

I heard you like unnecessary clutter

>>5480629
If you're playing on a big high definition TV, what's the problem here?

>>5480640
Why would the size of the tv matter if the art style is ugly and cluttered. How dumb are you?

>>5480420
>unless you want to bring up something that's obviously wrong with this, theres nothing wrong with this

>>5480489
huh?

>>5480489
What a jankily lovecraftian thought

>>5480580
was wrong with a link to a past?

>>5480420
I guess you're talking about the sound quality, but I think my only issue is that they used Link's "children" voice from OoT, and Link is supposed to be a teenager in ALttP.

>>5480420
I like the sound dont @ me

>>5480682
>2019: historical peak contrarianhood is reached

It depends on what you're used to. Why doesn't the sound clips bother you in the N64 games? Because you don't know anything else, they're just supposed to be there.

I first played Mario World on the gba (I had a genesis instead of a snes), and when I tried the voice removal patch the game feels empty without them.

>>5480580
stop same fagging.

>remakes
>good

They completely missed the point

>>5480757
It feels less like missing the point and more just, a complete degredation of effort in design

somebody post the mario 3 and allstars pic

>>5480757
autismo: the jpg

>>5480950

This is the game that red pilled me about soul

>>5480959
How was this rampant SOULLESSness even allowed?

>>5480969
Because some people actually care about art direction.brainlets like you will never understand

>>5480416
It's a fucking port, not a remake.

>>5480418
Also this. It's Alttp, but portable.
Personally, I like the sounds.

>>5480474
The only thing I actually dislike about the DS port is that you don't have an analog stick anymore.

>>5480547
>>5480580
>GOOD GAME BAD!
Get a new act.

>>5480682
Me too.

>>5480686
Maybe we aren't being contrarian, maybe we just have tacky taste and like it when Link yells?

>>5480757
>>5481068
The point was to make everything look like the Kirby anime that was running at the time.

>>5480474

To be fair, some of those changes are due to differences between the DS and N64. It doesn't support bilinear filtering, affecting sprite-based enemies like Scuttlebug, nor environment mapping, which was used for the metal effect.

There is no way to remake a game without at least one person out there calling it "soulless".

>>5480489
>https://youtu.be/iNBW7oqpsfg?t=429

>>5480489
>>5481134
https://youtu.be/736NyQm4Fog?t=751

>>5481143
2 and 3 should have gotten proper vita ports to advertise the extra stick over the psp and the R2/L2 grips
fucking snoy

>>5480718
>consice

>>5480629
The environment design for the remake is more in the spirit of the concept art for the original games, which tended to be dense in detail as much as possible. Hell, look at the very first level in the original Crash, packed with as much foliage and detail as the PS1 could muster, as well as for obscuring polygons in the distance to keep the performance up.

The environments in Crash Team Racing are sparse out of necessity. You don't think they would have crammed more detail into the environments if they could have, as in the main games?

>>5481152
Look at all this fucking clutter am I right.

>>5481178
Honestly yes

>>5481178
Honestly still don't understand why All-Stars didn't use lower right. They barely changed the sprite at all for the 3 update compared to Mario 1 and 2.

>>5481190
REEEE

Super Castlevania IV is really shitty for a remake.

>>5481338
I like 4 better, it's more fun.

>>5480416
Pic related

Soul vs soulless

>>5481338
4 is a reimagining

>>5480573
>Link has a reflection/shadow in the water during the Dark Link fight
How could they fuck up THAT badly?

Not really for the aesthetics but it often shoehorns the DS's gimmicks in places where they have to be there and it really just brings down the whole experience.

It's also missing Banjo and Conker, they had a legit reason, but it still sucks.

>>5481424
>during the Dark Link fight
It's before the fight.
12:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ucPjOjDtk

>>5481424
You "lose" your reflection after crossing the island in both versions (and also in both versions Link still casts the directional shadow)

>>5480416
the worst part about this is that it kept lttp off the gamecube collection

>>5480991
I didn't say it was bad. I said it was mediocre. Do you have reading comprehension problems?

>>5481178
I like the 16 bit Marios.

>>5481453
Get a new act.

>>5480489
Holy fuck, I think it might be, at least asgfar as intention goes. Hotline Miami is obviously the best as far as intentional design went

>>5480489
>>5481482
You zoomers never heard of Ecco the Dolphin?

>>5481378
It looks like how we all imagined Zelda would look like eventually. Fuck off with this shit mem, we're lucky Nintendo even gave a shit about a mostly forgotten GB game

>>5480416
Here, this is a actual bad remake. The GBA games have nothing on this.

>>5481440
That must have been patched later because there's no reflection for Link in that room at all in my game, but I do know my cart is a 1.0 cart. That's interesting.

>>5480474
Even the skyboxes were ruined

>>5480686
>>5481107

Grew up with Sega so OoT was my first Zelda game. I like the young man's hootin n hollering

>>5481378
Both aesthetics are good

>>5481481
I'll take that as a yes.

>>5481489
So? Trippy =/= Vaporwave

I liked the GBA port of A Link To the Past but I disliked how they incorporated the yelling from Ocarina of Time.

>>5481659
I had fun.

>>5481691
me too, for about an hour and a half. I'm not complaining since i completed the old one very fast too.

>>5480540
I still prefer Nightmare for the vastly superior controls. I could take either art style really both are fine.

>>5480679
Since the timeline shit LttP link is basically retconned to be 10-12 since he’s the same as LA and the Oracle games, in which he is actually shown in-game in larger art and is clearly a kid

>>5480718
Is this ironic? I honestly can’t tell.

>>5480979
what did he mean by this

>>5481772
He sounds like a dumb foreigner but his point is sound, remakes often have their own art direction especially when dealing with vastly different hardware, and try to do their own thing rather than copying the original exactly. It doesn’t always work but I have no issue with it in concept.

>>5481503
What was bad about this?

>>5480540
>>5480757
>>5481068

I think you guys missed the point. stuff like floating platforms and doors on nothing are really really common in kirby games. Just admit you dont like the art style and call it a day, you people are grasping at straws. These threads are borderline retarded its just nitpicky cherry picking and now you mongoloids resorted to whining about remakes that arent even out yet. Do you people just huff paint all day and wait for a new thread like this to pop up?

Majora's Mask 3DS. Say what you will about OoT3D, but it's a solid remake that doesn't really change anything mechanically and adds content most people wouldn't have played before. With MM3d?

>deku spin gives you no extra speed
>there's some weird startup time for running
>using N64 Zora swimming requires magic, which also floods the screen with the barrier effect which fucks up your vision
>talking to basically anyone pauses the game for 10 seconds to slowly show you something in the notebook
>inverted song of time only slows to half making 6 day runs basically impossible
>all the bosses have been changed to be slower and easier with less ways to fight them
>i know i already mentioned bosses but holy fuck is Twinmold a terrible fight

>>5481498
No it doesn't. This does.

>>5481828
>>5481831
THis game is such a mixed bag for me. In some cases they clearly made the wrong choice by removing so many visual elements but i love the little touches and wider range of colors.

>>5481883
If you're a weeb maybe, this is the real Link

>>5481837

>>5481941
fucking hell that's some nitpicky shit

>>5481954
You'll understand when you get older

>you will never play 4 swords

>>5481883
>>5481929
I prefer original hobbit link

>>5482237
I don’t get why Nintendo keeps it under a lock and key now. The dsi port doesn’t seem to be coming back anytime soon.

>>5482237
>had a friend that was really into zelda
>but never wanted to play four swords
>"only real heroes can enter the new dungeon this rerelease has"

fuck that bullshit, seriously. Why lock new single player content behind multiplayer?

>>5480654
Nothing, it's an excellent game. This board is infested with shitposters who really only know about a handful of broadly popular games, so we will never get good or interesting discussion.

Nice /v/ thread. I'm glad I can see the same image comparisons posted here too.

>>5480608
Only if the mods happen to like the particular remake being discussed. Same thing goes for retro ecelebs. You can post threads about AVGN until the cows come home, but a Game Chasers thread (for example) I'll be instantly deleted

>>5480645
>B-b-but I can't see the road!
You are a fucking crybaby. Is real life too cluttered for you, you pathetic piece of shit?

>>5482261
Probably hoping it would boost sales.
There's some trick you can do to enter the palace though.

>>5482389
That's the thing, if i recall you could just do the whole '2 players 1 cart" deal

>>5482402
Even singleplayer, actually. It was a glitch you could use, and if done right you would turn up in one of the rooms of the palace.

>>5482418
That's just a remedy for a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

>>5480474
Tbh I prefer the environments of the original but character models of DS, although no rainbow Bowser at the end was lame

>>5480959
>Mario 3 is just a performance and the end of each level is backstage

>>5481659
>Win a part in the movie!
lmao

>>5481338
4 is not a remake. Its a sequel.

>>5481338
Neither of these is a remake of 1, and that is a cherry-picked comparison.

>>5482437
True, true. It always frustrated me as a kid that there was this dungeon I couldn't access.

>>5482497
i actually thought you had to get all heart pieces to get in but nope. How many people actually did multiplayer on the GBA on a game that wasn't pokemon? Because i'm sure the answer is miniscule

>>5481780
fucked up music, colors

>>5481941
This image completely misses the point on why MM3D was a shit remake.
>gimped controls
>gimped Deku and Zora forms
>gimped ice arrows
>retarded new boss strategies that barely function
>moving shit to confuse veterans (Like the Song of Soaring and Stone Mask locations)

Has there honestly ever been a single good remake (not talking ports)

>>5481498
You don't speak for me, faggot. Not him, but I normally hate the soul meme but it 100% applies here.

>>5480573
I was honestly ok with the Oot remake. MM on the other hand, ruined all of the bosses.

>>5483130
>>5482885
>ruined all of the bosses
you faggots keep going on and on about completely inane shit. The bosses were trash.
Zora swimming was never le fun. A full magic meter will get you wherever the fuck you need to go.
The biggest change is that the game runs at a fucking playable frame rate now. That matters more than le colors and le lighting and muh bosses have eyeball now

>>5483137
>muurrrr me shoot eyeball with bow me solve hardest puzzle ever

>>5483147
right because zelda is known for being a very brain taxing game
fuck off. The only thing worse than modern basedtendo zeldaniggers and nostalgia faggot zeldaniggers.

>>5480489
Sonic The Hedgehog (1991) is.
https://youtu.be/qfktb0x4rws

>>5482938

>>5481587
The very first vaporwave album was inspired by Ecco the Dolphin...

>>5480718
i think the remake looks like crap compared to the original, but the gripes in that image are so pointless and pedantic.

I fucking LOVE this cover art.
Also Sonic thread.
Sonic 1 MD>Sonic 1 GG> rest

>>5484606
What the fuck is up with his eye

>>5484623
He's looking at us

>>5484625
no his other one

>>5481780
they literally took the NES games, fucked up some of the effects and generally half-assed it. while it's based off the JP versions of the games so I think NG3 becomes more tolerable like how CV3 was made super bullshit in the US, it's a super barebones set of ports. so barebones that an HD Mesen pack bringing the graphics back to the NES versions can genuinely be considered more definitive.

to give you an example of how lazy it was, that one stage where you had the lightning that lit up the stage? yeah, it's lit up all the time in the SNES version, they got rid of the effect altogether

>>5480959
I agree with this so much. I grew up with the snes version, but got a nes like 5 years ago and the first time I played it I was like Holly hell so much better

>>5484628
oh shit

>>5483137
>Zora swimming was never fun.
Idiot.
>le le le
What is this stupid shit about?

>>5483621
no

>>5481941
for some reason the Astral Observatory along with its soundtrack creeped me out a lot. (it still does i just listened to the music)

to this day i cant find a reason why

I just pretend this never existed.

>>5480489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlAf4EE7sDQ

>>5485301
But it’s even got a retro mode so you can appreciate how flawlessly adapted it is

>>5480629
This is one reason why I preferred CS 1.6 over later versions, the newer maps just all felt cluttered. Sometimes the limitations are better.

>>5484768
Also, they fucked up the controls to feel partially unresponsive, which for Ninja Gaiden is a fatal flaw.

>>5481837
Majora's Mask is a bad game unlike OoT so I don't fault them for making significant changes

>>5481524
>everything in the background is always blurry
>good aesthetics

>>5485301
underage

>>5480597
But the ocean dinosaurs had goggles BEFORE SM64

>>5480573
That looks fine and is what I remember OOT looking like in my dumb child imagination brain. You fags will complain about everything.

>>5485592
Dorry isn't in any game before Mario 64. Try playing the games someday

>>5485526
>the mouse looks like a nigger
>in retro mode IS a nigger

>>5485849
He’s referring to the Dolphins in Super Mario World, and to that he’s right. The dolphins wear goggles

>>5480474
I fucking laughed when I saw Sonic

>>5480474
sonic fucking confirmed

>>5485589
go away Francois, make another soulless piece of shit

>>5480474
How the fuck didn't someone make a patch to fix all this shity already? Does the ds can't get into the colours that the n64 was capable? How hard would be to translate all that missing content.

>>5480573
It looks fucking gorgeuos and i'm a big fucking fan of the n64 in general.

>>5480757
I love the gba kirby's. The co-op multiplayer is like a dream i've always wanted.

>>5480959
I fucking hate how forced the NES version is actually, that line in the right side always loading the scenario very late.

>>5486345
Dolphins aren't mysterious dinosaurs that love in underwater caves

fucking defending nutendofags

>>5486952
>he doesn't know about the secret dolphin rape caves

>>5480474
Who gives a fuck?

>>5480420

As an alttp speedrunner, the differences in the gba version make it a vastly inferior game and basically a pile of shit. Really, it's pretty horrible.

>>5487327
>speedrunner
do dilate somewhere else. shoo

>>5487327
If you’re a speedrunner of course you’re not going to like the gba version as things like bomb skips don’t work

So what did you guys think of this?

>>5487352

I don't mean from the perspective of the speedrun, just from the pov of someone who has played through the game over 1000 times. The GBA version sucks all the charm out of it, it's not the tech or glitches that were changed, it's the soul. After so many runs, you'd think I'd be sick of it, that it might start to run together or feel tired, but it never does. I love it as much today as I did when I first played it as a kid. The GBA version doesn't have that. I try it and the differences feel shoehorned, unnecessary, like a cash grab. The port felt like it was a GBA advertisement and not a revival of a game. That's what I meant.

>>5487327
>speedrunner

>>5487364
Soulless generic garbage

>>5487365
It's the same game.

>>5487364
It was ok.

>>5487365
Do you have any real examples instead of meaningless fluff language?

>>5487364
liked the voicework

Secret of mana remake comes to mind.

>>5487364
It looks like a cartoon, which is what the original was going for. Anyone who unironically prefers the original is a zoomer who thinks faux-retro pixel shit is the evolution of retro games. They aren’t. Stuff like Cuphead, Duck Tails Remastered and Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap are.

>>5481761
I hope you're kidding. The B Button input lag in the majority of abilities is insufferable. The developers were clearly going through their "wowie kids look at all the additional frames of animation" phase, and it's a huge relief the issue was fixed by the next game which cut animation frames to be more responsive. The only improvements I can think of control-wise is that you can now dash over gaps without spazzing out all the time (something also fixed in the 3D Classics version) and Ball is now worth using since touching the top of the screen counts as a wall to bounce off of.
>>5481810
I don't mind the art style, but I do mind that little touches that add up are missing and the backgrounds became static and lifeless.

>>5489750
I have never noticed this input lag.

>>5489770
And I’m sure he didn’t notice the copious amounts of slowdown plaguing Adventure.

>>5489770
It's really obvious if you're used to the original or Amazing Mirror. In Nightmare in Dream Land, Kirby is slow as molasses when he uses even a basic ability because the developers added an unnecessary amount of frames where he is merely preparing his attack without actually doing anything. Seriously, play the games back-to-back for a few minutes and make a note of the general response time of abilities. You'll never look at Nightmare in Dream Land the same way again.

>>5489806
And Kirby is just slow in general in the original.
Unless you’re playing it in an emulator with overclocking enabled, the game moves at a snail’s pace.

>>5489803
Anon, the NES and GBA versions aren't the only ones out there.

>>5489819
If I’m playing KA on my 3DS, it’s through an emulator with overclocking. The 3D Classic version sucks. The 3D adds nothing and you can’t disable the distracting bright pink border.

>>5489819
The is unironically the best version of Kirby's Adventure. It's 99% faithful to the NES version and completely removes the lag.

>>5489826
>Best version
>Window boxed on an (at best) 5 inch screen
>Shitty 3DS ergonomics and bottom layout
>Tacky border you can’t disable
Emulated KA on a CRT is the best version lol.

>>5489827
Let’s not forget that you have a slim chance of even getting a 3DS with a decent screen. Most of them come with TN panels that ghost like a motherfucker.

>>5489815
>KA & NiDL speedruns are roughly the same, with the former actually being slightly faster overall.
Are you sure the case is just the game doesn't FEEL faster?

>>5489832
You shove that dildo in your mangina today? Don’t want it to close up on you.

>>5489827
That's all nitpicking. I get it, you don't want to buy a 3DS. It's really not that bad.

>>5489830
Ehh, there’s positives and negatives to it. I’d hardly say it ghosts like a mother though. I have 6 3ds’. I prefer the TN panels because they’re much brighter and look better in the sunlight. But there isn’t a big difference either way.

>>5489849
I own a New 3DS XL and 2DS XL. It’s not nitpicking, the system just isn’t the ideal way to play KA for a number of reasons.

>>5489851
Why in God’s name did you buy six of them? I’ve only bought 4.
>TN much brighter
Really? In my experience it’s been the opposite. Slightly. I’ve only pulled one with an IPS screen (top only) but it beats all my 3DS with TN screens in brightness, contrast, color reproduction, etc. But each the ones with TNs screens have pretty different looks, with some being brighter and more saturated than others. I just don’t think there’s any consistency with these things.

>>5489848

>>5489863
Okay, now this is epic.

>>5487364
That final sequence was some bullshit.

>>5481378
Everything in the remake looks like plastic

>>5489825
>The 3D Classic version sucks.
Except that it's the only official way to play Kirby's Adventure with no slowdown. The 3D is definitely pointless, I don't even notice or think about the border to the point where I can't even picture it in my head, and THERE IS NO SLOWDOWN. That alone makes it the best version.

>>5489945
>official way
Means absolutely nothing. You’re stuck playing it on a 3DS, that alone bars it from being the best version.

>>5489803
>>5489945
Believe it or not, there is a remedy for this: stop using the Spark ability, the game designers didn't intend for you to rely on it forever, so stop being a baby and play Kirby like a real man.

>>5489958
Mate it slows down when two or more enemies get on screen.

>>5485526
The art director of the remake game is literally useless.
Color theory and applications out the window
In most of the areas, the colors of the background elements and sprites use the same color tones, and you can't figure out with a glance what is going on.
>TIP
If you squint and can't make out the player/enemies/stage then you have failed.
Absolute pathetic

>>5487364
absolute garbage.
no redeeming qualities.

>>5489991
The music was good.

>>5489978
brainlet

>>5487364
mediocre, but so was the original. annoyed i bothered with it twice.

>>5487364
>beautiful 2d characters
yes, YES-
>absolutely puke-tier backgrounds
NO

>>5489978
Ive seen way worse, besides what you posted isn't even that bad. What, its blue because the level is underwater? Who would have guessed

>>5480416
MUH NO HEART RUN!!!

This is a Playstation 4 game from 2018.

>>5492646
It looks like an RPG Maker game in 3D. Holy shit that’s terrible.

>>5492646
>>5493396
It's actually a low-budget iPhone game running on a PS4.

>>5493721
How the fuck did they have the balls to sell this?

>>5489958
The game slows down if you even swing a sword with more than one enemy on the screen.

>>5493721
It's a PS4 game that recycles assets from low-budget phone game to be precise. This never came out on phone which makes it even worse.

>>5492646
This reminds me of those DS Final Fantasy games that had the chibi sprites.

>>5494385
Fuck off, the DS remakes looked adorable.

>>5492646
Could be worse desu. It looks like it's halfway between 5th and 6th gen.

>>5480474
The controls are easily the worst part of the DS version.

>>5494394
Hey I like the DS remakes too! I just think maybe the Secret of Mana remake should have been a handheld rather than a console game.

>>5493721
The iOS version of Secret of Mana is unironically ten times better than the new remake

>>5481524
No

>>5494462
It's the same game using the same assets, how can one be better than the other?

>>5495294
the ios version is a port of the snes version

>>5495294
The Secret of Mana remake didn't come out on iPhone you've already been told this.

>>5480573
MM3D sucks but OoT3D is the definitive version.

>>5487223
Autism
Link drawing his sword is blatant body language that he means to fight Ganondorf. Ganondorf's dialogue is more appropriate here. The drawn out text box when he laughs is unnecessary and too long. Time to spam the a button.

>>5495392
Oh, I see. I didn't know that.
>>5495442
Yes, I was told that and then I was also told that there was an iOS port of the game so I assumed the first person must have been wrong. I had no idea there was an iOS release of the actual original. I was getting conflicting, ambiguous information and became confused.

>>5482460
But that’s canon you fucking faggot

>>5495496
>The drawn out text box when he laughs is unnecessary and too long. Time to spam the a button.
Yeah, fuck tone, storytelling, or characterization! Just let me skip through everything or else YOU'RE the autists!

>>5487223
holy fuck the n64's text speed is inexcusable

>>5480474
Why remove the eyes off the shovey block things? The other ones at least make sense.
>>5485350
jesus christ

>>5495480
Only thing that annoys me about the 3DS version of OoT is that you can re-catch bugs but other than that it’s the same fucking game. I’m not sure what people are smoking when they shit on it. The colors and especially the night sky look better in the 3DS version as well. Not to mention swapping boots at will really helps. I can see why MM3D is hated but as someone who couldn’t stand the time system and saving on the 64, at least the 3DS version fixes that. Once I beat it on the 3DS I’m gonna play the 64 version.

>>5487223
Faster the cutscene ends the better

mandatory

>>5497297
Beamdog is a guilty of a number of different crimes. Here are the major ones:

1. The Enhanced Editions are essentially a collection of free mods that had existed for nearly twenty years. Beamdog gathered them all up, slapped "Enhanced Edition" on it and resold it as a new product. There's very very little in the Enhanced Editions that wasn't already out there, and most of it is stuff you don't want (like obnoxious character outlines).

2. The games didn't sell so well and the originals were still far outselling them, even twenty years after their release, so Beamdog had EVERY digital distributor stop selling the originals and ONLY sell the Enhanced Edition. If you want to buy a digital copy of the originals now, they're "bundled" into the Enhanced Edition. Now these scumbags can claim sales from people just wanting to buy the originals as their own.

3. The infamous 600+ bugs on launch. The game is still riddled with bugs (as even a perfunctory glance over their forums show) but the fact that it took nearly two years for them to get a game that had been working fine for 20 years to reach playability after launch is telling of their wild incompetence.

4. This is where we get to the ones that really piss people off. Beamdog couldn't just remaster the game, they had to fuck with the content too. New dialogue for existing NPCs like Jaheira, Viconia, Safana, Kivan, et cetera was written in to make the characters more progressive and leftist friendly. Beamdog shills will argue that "adding content isn't changing content XDDD" but it is when the new content changes the core personalities of the existing characters. This is in addition to adding a slew of their own LGBT (hitherto there were none in Baldur's Gate) NPCs, all flooded with OP attributes and magic items to encourage people to play them despite their cancer.

5. Siege of motherfucking Dragonspear.