/vr/ - Retro Games

I just love the ghetto, rundown vibe of the game. It was made with a "near-future" in mind, and the overall atmosphere has never stopped being relevant to the world in general since it was released

>no grinding
I beg to differ. You do need to do some.

>straightforward story
That's arguable

Anyway the only things I would change are adding Vincent, Yuffie, or both to the ending so if you get them they'd be present int he ending and just don't magically disappear. Plus I'd make cut scenes skippable because sitting thtrouhg that half-hour Sephiroth/Nibelihem story each time I replay is tedious

>>546428
>MINDBLOWING and revolutionary.
Not this shit again.

What does it have over FFVI aside from shiny FMV cutscenes and ridiculous looking 4-polygon characters?

>>546446

Nope, not at all, if you didnt run like a pussy and played fairly normal. You didnt need grinding.

>>546446

And you know why Vincent and Yuffie don't appear in the ending...technical issues.

You would have need to to 4 endings

- Full Party Ending
- Party with just Vincent
- Pary with Just Yuffie
- Party without Yuffie OR Vincent.

And for just 2-3 seconds of screentime, it just isn't worth rendering that crap.

>>546451
Dio

>>546451
>What does it have over FFVI aside from shiny FMV cutscenes and ridiculous looking 4-polygon characters?
What more you need?

>>546451
The big thing with what OP is saying is, "when it was released"

I could never get into 6, personally - though I will try again in the near future

>>546462


Because every game needs a roided-up oiled-up man in a speedo

>>546446
actually, a lot of old ROG's you can beat with some skill and no grinding whatsoever. Just beat FF5 with no grinding and limiting classes and it was a lot of fun. FF6 was the same when I replayed that. I can't imagine FF games fast that require any grinding.

>>546428
Is this actually what FF7 looks like?

Please don't use "mindblowing" and "revolutionary" like that, you're just making them sound like meaningless buzzwords thrown in your argument for the hell of it. And no, FFVII was neither of those, I assume people just say this because it was their first final fantasy game.

>Being a Texan
>knowing Texas is the only real-world place mentioned in an FF besides Korean BBQ

>>546472
Yep.

The characters stick out against the pre-rendered backgrounds pretty harshly when you look back at it.

Midgar is still the best location in any FF game.

The story with an unreliable narrator was very interesting. I don't know if it was the first game ever with an unreliable narrator, but it was the first to be this popular.

>>546491
That is absolutely horrifying looking.

Like, holy shit, my eyes.

>the gameplay is still fun
Yeah, all the excitement of selecting a menu option and waiting.

>no grinding
Bullshit.

>no shitty sidequests like modern RPGs (inbefore.chocobo breeding)
I like how you say this, and this invalidate yourself by bringing up a sidequest. FF7 had quite a few sidequests. First hit off Google gives a good list, fuck you. http://www.uffsite.net/ff7/sidequests.php

>straightforward story
I thought people hated that linear bullshit. Or do you mean non-confusing? Well, okay, summarize the plot to FF7 in a short paragraph, or hell, if you're daring, ten words. It's convoluted anime writing, dude.

The rest is entirely subjective. If you like the game, then good for you, but don't pretend everyone has to praise the game, especially for really flimsy (and outright bullshit) reasons.

The only legitimate excuse for not liking FF7 is not liking RPGs at all.

>>546464
Dio

People are entitled to their own opinions, y'know.

>>546506
It didn't appear quite as bad playing it on an older TV at a distance, but... yeah, not very appealing now.

FF7 was ok, but FF13 got FF7's formula down perfect. It's like a more polished version of it.

>>546514
I love RPGs, but found the plot of Final Fantasy 7 to be boring, which made continuing the game difficult and liking it impossible.

>>546514
Fuck you. I love the setting. I love (most) of the characters. I love the gameplay.

However that horrible contrived story ruins it for me.

>>546514


Actually there are younger players not raised on classic RPGs and only raised on modern ones who hate turn-based battle systems and random battles.


And those are the people current RPG makers pander to, which is why most current console RPG's have action-game battle systems and no random encounters

>>546518
No, it looked like polygon shit even back then. I never understood why people loved the shit out of that lego bullshit when SNES spites looked leagues better.

>>546520
>>546524

I don't get complaints about the plot. Its standard Final Fantasy.

>>546521


Are you shitting me? The "world map" was a fucking joke, the battle system was an action-based battle system, the characters were completely unlikeable, and as much as half was left on the fucking cutting room floor because Squeenix cried that rendering towns for the 360/PS3 was too hard.


The only "polished' anything with it was a polished turd.


And if I have to listen to the "WE SHALL HAVE FUN WE SHALL HAVE FUN" crappy chocobo song again, I'm gonna go nuts

>>546538
I dont like most final fantasies (other than tactics) because of the terrible stories. I played this as the first FF I had played after the first one on NES.

I propose JRPGs should be judged by the "gallons of semen" rating system. The more neckbeards have collectively jizzed over the characters the better the game. FFVII features Tifa, so it obviously wins.

>>546538
That's where it failed.

>it was fucking MINDBLOWING and revolutionary
>Its standard Final Fantasy

For me, RPGs are mostly the story. Cool mechanics are nice, they're icing on the top, but if the story is shit, you have a shit cake with chocolate frosting. And that's what FF7 is. It's a story I've already heard before, except when I heard it before, it was done better.

>>546537
Because the battle graphics don't look like that at all. The battles also run extremely fast.

>>546565
5 star post.

Give this man a medal.

>>546572
>"the graphics are good, see!"
>posts an even worse screenshot

What a goddamn eyesore! ~ me, nearly two decades ago

>>546565


What makes FF7 different from other FF's is it isn't "teens save the word from evil old people while adults take orders from the kids or sit around and do nothing" as is the normal cliche, especially in Japanese RPG's.

>>546537
If you think FFVII battles looked better than SNES FF battles, you're retarded.

If you think FFVII backgroudns looked better than SNES FF backgrounds, you're fucking wrong.

Now tell me to go to /v/ and get fucking banned.

>>546548
Snow Villers was 10 times more likeable than Hot Topic employee Cloud. And Hope was a bamf.

Everybody makes fun of the old lego-block look of the out-of-battle models in FF7 but personally I loved it, and I hated it what Square went for in FF8. Why?

Because FF8 models looked like fucking everything else that was coming out in that era. It looked like every other game that was trying to use realistic human models. I hated it. I thought it was uncreative and lacking in artistic originality.

Yes, people found the FF7 models jarring. They really grew on me. And looking back, I still admire that Square built what they were going for from the ground up. They didn't start off by copying the cookie cutter Tomb Raider human models everyone else was using at the time. They put the damn effort in to make their own thing. And I think that was great.

Even now with ultra-realistic graphics, they just make everybody look like Meg Ryan or assorted pop star idols. I fucking hate it. I don't want this shit to look as real as possible, I want it to look as imaginative as possible. I want it to look like you built it from the ground up rather than using a template.

>>546579


I like the graphics and thik the style suits the game perfectly. The only thing I would change is maybe a few more polys on th characters to at least give them FF9's poly count for characters, and make the rendered backgrounds sharper.


Didn't the PC re-release from earlier this year make the rendered backgrounds sharper? I don't know because my interest in it died when I found out they added achievements.

>>546583
Please elaborate.

FF2 had teens following commands by adult superiors and FF3 starred age ambiguous youngsters. Not sure where you came up with everything else.

I just played this game for the first time a month ago and it's held up shockingly well.
Not sure if I'd call it my favorite Final Fantasy game, let alone the best RPG of all time, but it was certainly enjoyable and the story was decent.

Why does it get so much undeserved hate? Is it just kids reacting to the horrible fanbase?

I hate the game for nothing other than its pacing. I have nothing against the characters or story and even enjoy the physical setting, but it just moves so god damn slow. Nobody in that game will ever shut the hell up, and random battles occur way too often. Not to mention the camera angles are so awkward that you can't tell where you're supposed to go sometimes.

>>546614
Also FFVIII and FFIX. Also FFT, if we're counting it as part of the FF series.
I've never played any beyond that, those four (or five) games (FFII, III, VIII, IX and possibly T) are the ones with teens as head protagonists. FFI and IV-VII did not.
And let's not ever bring up FFMQ.

>>546614

Now that I think about it, Final Fantasy heroes seem to have been mostly adults up until FF8.

>>546630

You know how it is. People love to hate things that get popular without their permission.

>>546641
It's funny realizing Cecil is one of the youngest of the adult protagonists.

He's in his early twenties yets hold a prolific position in his country's military. Clearly he started his career as a child soldier.

Baron confirmed for no better than African warlords.

>>546630

People like ot hate what others like; the more people that like it, the more that hate it.


>>546614

FF8 with all-teen cast while adults stood around not doing shit

FFX where the two main characters are teens and all the adults just follow them around

FF X-2 where all the adults are put out to pasture while all-teen cast of girls save the world from evil with a j-pop concert

FFXII where in spite of Basch seemingly being more important to the overall story, teen Vaan and teen Ashe are somehow the lead.

Ramza, in Final Fantasy Tactics and the leader of your party, is 16.

Garnet and Zidane in FF9, the two main characters, are 16 and 17


And a fuckload of JRPGs in general.

>>546451
well, it was for the psx
finaly non-nintendo players could see what FF is like.

>>546657

He's a captain and if we want to be super liberal we can give him a coming of age at 16. That still makes it a somewhat impressive rate of career advancement for him but it's not really outside the realm of plausibility.

I mostly think this game gets a lot of hate due to it A) being shoved in everyone's faces and B) its connection to the compilation games. (Not to mention that everyone thinks Cloud is emo when he's been written one-dimensionally these days despite the original game making him a bit more layered.) Other than that, the original game is still pretty solid.

>>546630
>Is it just kids reacting to the horrible fanbase?
Actually, even the fanbase isn't there anymore. FFVII fans are 30+ now.

People just heard that FFVII was apparently shitty. It's a tradition that started among the FFVI fans - "VII is a terrible game".

To be honest, of course it is, it's a Squaresoft fucking JRPG. They were all god-awfulg ames. But they had great music, great art and sometimes-amusing stories, and FVII was definitely one of those.

Yes, Sephiroth was a retarded, unmotivated overwritten villain. So was Kefka.

>>546630
>Why does it get so much undeserved hate?

In my opinion, FF7 is a poor man's Final Fantasy VI. The only thing FF7 has over FF6 is materia and "dem grayfix" (and some people prefer sprite art over polygons). As far as stories go, FF6 told FF7's story better and earlier. Honestly, I don't know why someone would play a Role-Playing Game for anything other than the story (of which, FF7's is inferior), particularly in an age where the combat mechanics weren't all that terribly engaging, but to each his/her own.

But if you really liked the story, hey, that's great, but try to understand that not everyone holds the same opinions as you. It's a big world with a lot of people out there, and the least of your concerns should be if some people don't like an old game.

>>546608
Check out Shadow Madness if you haven't yet, you may like it's models even more than FFVII.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOA5hpBURjg

Jump to 1:15

>>546662
Stop piling FFT with main series Final Fantasy games.

>>546662
>Ramza is 16
While I don't know where you took that figure from, i'd like to point out that in many fantasy settings 15 counts as adult.

>>546682
>is that Edgar?
>maybe
>hey man are you Edgar?
>Naw man I ain't Edgar
>are you sure
>shit man hell yeah I'm sure
>let's follow him
>YO DAWG IT'S ME EDGAR I WAS JES FRONTIN'


>FF6 told FF7's story better

>>546703
>While I don't know where you took that figure from

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ramza_Beoulve

>i'd like to point out that in many fantasy settings 15 counts as adult.

Which explains the responsible adults handing firearms and other weapons to kids and telling them to save the world and kill all who stand inth eir paths while the adults sit ont heir asses and do jack shit

The reason why VII was such a great game in it's time is because we were, at the time going to see a very promising franchise to be taken seriously (and especially) for the entire world. FMV transitioning to real gameplay. The story even though was a little generic, the directors took the games story confidently with it's showcase of the entire game world.

The graphics of course were just mind-blowing for a JRPG. And the character development was amazing. The music was just perfect, and the atmosphere. Anyone who went goo-goo-ga-ga for VII were already Final Fantasy fans.

>>546572

i actually kinda like that sharp, ultra polygonal look, Red XIII rendered these days would have loads of 'realistic' fur that ruins his form

>>546712
>telling them to save the world
well, in ramza case no one told him, he just did what no one else could do.
not because he is a teen, but because he is a noble- he can't ask his fellow soldiers to be the leader in this campaign.

also, pic related is from my current fft data. perhaps he aged in the course of the game, like if i spend time fooling around ramza might die of old age or something.

Most FF6 fans never played FF7.

Most FF7 fans never played FF6.

>>546712
>Which explains the responsible adults handing firearms and other weapons to kids and telling them to save the world and kill all who stand inth eir paths
Ramza's story was THE DIRECT OPPOSITE of this.

He was a military cadet, but even in wartime he was explicitly prohibited from participating in anyhting dangerous by his brothers.

Most FF3 players never fancied FFVII

>>546756
>implying good JRPGs exist

>>546743
>>546747
Most FF6 and/or 7 fans never played a good JRPG.

>>546754
Behold: the tripfag is late tot he party with a shitty retelling of the joke three posts above.

FF7 is the most overrated FF in all of recorded history.


Possibly in the top 5 most overrated games as well.

>>546759
>what is Dragon Quest

It's not as bad as some people say.
It's also not as good as some people say.

It's a great jrpg. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>546765
>most overrated FF
Oh how wrong you are. It isn't evne the most pretentious, let alone overrated.

>>546774
I've heard more people praise and talk about FF7 in my lifetime than I've heard about any other FF game.


It is constantly referred to as the best FF game ever created and some people even say its one of the best games ever created period.


It is the most overrated FF game.

>>546787
Actually, you're lying. People couldn't stop praising FFVI, and they started before VII. Now VII's mostly forgotten, but VI is still being foam-at-the-mouthed about.

It and Earthbound.

Is Final Fantasy 7 overrated? Yes
Is Final Fantasy 7 underrated? Yes

You know why I love the fuck out of FF7? Even though it might have worse story/gameplay/whatever than other games in the series? Because it captured the feeling of adventure so well, and that's all I care about. Rarely have I immersed myself into a game like FF7, and that's why I love it.

>>546798
I agree with you on Earthbound, but I still feel that 7 is the most overrated.

>>546798

Why troll when it's this obvious?

Does he actually believe this?

>>546827
Make up your fucking mind.

>>546834
Not even the same guy.

>>546835
I'm commenting on one single post.

Are you implying two seperate people may have written it?

I hate reading posts from FFVII babies who think their persecuted against because their game is too old for modern gamers or some shit.

FFVII is a good game but one of the weakest entries in the series, and this isn't changed just because it was your first RPG. It was like puberty for FF. It was in a period of change and ended up clunky and awkward. I thought it looked ugly the day it came out, but age hasn't helped it at all.

It's still an enjoyable experience, but it's the ugliest looking game and has the worst minigames. Everything about it is awkward. It is overrated as HELL.

FF7 is the Zelda 64 of the Final Fantasy series.

FF7 is a good game, but for some gamers, it was their first Final Fantasy (and, in many cases, their first RPG), or their first at a time where they're old enough to appreciate RPGs. At any rate, some fans have raised FF7 on this pedestal as "zomg teh best RPG ever." It's subjective, though, and there certainly exist other good Final Fantasy games within the franchise such that people could make the argument that other games within the series are "teh best" and still present a solid case, and certainly their exists a huge library of games that are great RPGS outside the franchise. But some FF7 fans won't have that, and when people hate in one direction, well, the hate is going to come back from the opposite direction.

In the end, there really isn't anything wrong about loving FF7. Hell, I thought it was fun. That's not the problem. The problem is people like the OP, and while the OP was just trolling for the lulz, there are people who are seriously like that about FF7 (and other games, like Zelda 64), and it really needs to stop.

Honestly, I'd rather see a FF7 appreciation thread than a "I like FF7 and I dare you to say otherwise" troll thread, or a Final Fantasy appreciation thread period. Or just a thread about appreciating games rather than telling people that old game they liked was bad and they're wrong for having ever played it.

>>546846
You replied to two separate people and implied that they were the same person in your reply here >>546834

>>546428
I agree op one of the greatest

>>546853

>It's the ugliest looking game
>At the time it was released, it was hailed as one of the best looking games ever, only to be ursurped by the back of FFIX's case which states it looks even better than VII

shiggy

>>546890
8 and 10 as well.

the core of the game is the combat and i do not like the combat so i am perfectly entitled to not like the game

>>546924
When would you ever not be entitled to dislike a game?

>>546890
>>546890

>Marketing is truth!

Son, I played that game on release and it looked terrible outside of battle. Models are bad, animations are terrible--backgrounds look good though. And age has not helped this game in any way.

>>546428

> no shitty sidequests like modern RPGs (inbefore.chocobo breeding)

>(inbefore.chocobo breeding)

>Says it doesn't have a particular element (inb4 example of said element in said game)

You cannot do that, fuck face. It's still a shitty sidequest.

>>546980

It easily looked better than most games on consoles at the time.

Are you high or just a 14 year old acting like he grew up during that era?

This game is fantastic. The plot has its holes and the graphics look a little goofy now, but the combat is still top-notch as far as ATB goes and the game world expands at a lovely pace. Oh, and the materia system fucking RULES.

Best FF, definitely.

FF7 is a masterpiece

Would you rather play FF13 ?

Fuck you, no taste piece of shit haters.

>>546981

It wasn't a shitty sidequest. And it didn't take forever compared to the fucking shit sidequests we have now like the "MARKS" and fragment bullshit.

>>546809
What is this, Schrodinger's Game?

>>547016

Do you believe it's one?

>>546428
I waited in line at the gamestore for six hours to get it. Brought it home and played it and was like "what, this was supposed to be PC-quality graphics?!", "what the fuck is wrong with this translation?!" and "why is this plot just a rehash of 3?!"

Final Fantasy Tactics, now that was a motherfucking ground breaking game.

>>547043

>Plot a rehash of Final Fantasy III USA

are you serious

>straightforward story
That's FFX.

>>547049

Someone post the image

>>546990

You know there was a time before 3-D graphics, right?

Game looked like ass. Almost all 3-D games looked like ass at the time because they hadn't figured out how to work it. Just because everything else looked terrible doesn't make FFVII look any better. Ecco the Dolphin came out four years earlier and looks beautiful.

>>547008

>THIS THING IS MORE SHIT SO THAT MAKES THE OTHER THING THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD

No

>>547098
Nobody post that image, it's dumb as fuck.

FF VII is shit
FF VI is art

>>547175
Both are true.

Also true:
FFVII is art, FFVI is sthit.

All four statements are true.

>>547178

FFVI is not sthit.

>>547184
Sory, type. I meant to write "stiff". The other wors was supposed to be "tart".

People who dislike FFVII or call it overrated just have Unique Snowflake Disorder

FF7 was great, I've played it through plenty of times and enjoyed it each time but the translation always sucked ass. I have no idea why nobody ever did a retranslation of FF7, it would surely be popular.

>>547208

>I'll pretend that everyone who disagrees with me does it for disingenuous reasons! That will protect my fragile worldview!

>>547008
I'd muc rather play 4, 9 or 12 over 7.

>>546890
The advanced cutscenes looked really good. The popeye-arm models and smaller cut scenes looked worse than MGS1

>>547208
I just really like FF9 more.

>>546857
>In the end, there really isn't anything wrong about loving FF7.

At this point, there is. The fans who have kept FF7 on the pedestal even after it has aged to badly are the dominant reason backlash. These fans who cannot accept the opinion that their game wasn't even the best Final Fantasy on the PS1 let along the best in the franchise diminish the game itself.

>>547208

I could understand if they didn't play it at the time, as it could be hard to get past the shitty player models. I still love it, though. Not as much as VI, Xenogears, or Chrono Trigger, but still...

Also, the backgrounds are still boss as fuck. So much detail..

>>546662
Wasnt Tidus in his early 20's?

>>547373
no he was a dream

>>547362
FF8 has the 2nd most broken battle system in the series, ridiculous plot, and annoying characters.
FF9 is painfully boring and designed purely to appeal to nostalgic fanboys.

FFT doesn't count because it's not main series.

FF7 isn't perfect, but it's the best FF on the PS1 because the others fail so hard.

Anyone who hates FF Mystic Quest just has no fucking clue.

Back when it was released, it was fucking MINDBLOWING and revolutionary.

And to this day, the gameplay is still fun, no grinding, no shitty sidequests like modern RPGs (inbefore.battlegrounds), straightforward story, likeable characters, great magic system, awesome music, charming cute towns, mini games that were not fucking horrible and were just for fun.

>>547386

Actually, it was a pretty good game. I still cannot name one flaw.

>>547373

tidus was like 18 or something, yuna was 17

they don't look it, but its 'anime age', they have to be as young as their target audience

>>547382
>FFT doesn't count because it's not main series.

1. Bullshit. It has Final Fantasy in its name, and is quite possibly the best game ever made by Square Enix.

2. The re-releases of the NES and SNES games are fucking better than FF7

3. You've never played FF7 if you think its story is less retarded than 8s.

>>547390
Its one and only flaw was that it was too easy for its target demo.

>>547396

1. Tactics is a spin off.

2. No.

3. 7 had a better story than 8. 8 was rushed and incomplete and made no fucking sense.

>>547382
>FFT doesn't count because it's not main series.
HE THINKS FINAL FANTASY IS A CONTINUOUS SERIES!

And he picks the ONE FF game with the setting that has the most games, namely Tactics, 12, and Vagrant Story.

>>547396
FF4 to FF6 are boring enough on the original platforms already. Extra load time makes them completely intolerable.

FF7's story makes complete sense if you ignore all the additional media (Advent Children etc.)

I've still never gotten all the way through VII. Had the PC version back in the day but...even back then I thought it was ugly as fuck. early 3d man...just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. One day I'll try and force myself to get through it

>>547396
>1. Bullshit. It has Final Fantasy in its name, and is quite possibly the best game ever made by Square Enix.
You ignorant fucking retard. This is all.

I might be one of the only people who enjoy FFVII just because of how overpowered you can get on it.

>>547404
1. Squenix uses the word Gaiden as a way to denote spinoffs. Final Fantasy Gaiden: Seiken Densetsu, Final Fantasy Gaiden: Crystal Chronicles, Final Fantasy Gaiden: Makai Toushi Saga. Tatics didn't have that. Its a core game in the franchise.

2. If FF7 was so much better than the original games, why is FF2/4 the most remade and single most sold game in the franchise and FF7 has never been remade?

3. If you honestly believe that, you are fucking retarded. FF7 only makes sense because of the countless shitty spinoffs retconning the game plot into some semblance of sense. 8 was just a stupif, but you could put it all together within its own narrative.

>>547396

VII may not be the best thing ever, but it is beyond comparison to fucking VIII. That game was a nightmare of shitty writing, shitty design and SHITTY FUCKING ART! Just horrible all around.

I remember playing VIII after it came out, and it was like a slap in the face. I was a Square fanboy up to that point. Then they give me this shit... ugh.

>>547412
Sales numbers call you an idiot.

>>547412
>FF7's story makes complete sense if you ignore all the additional media (Advent Children etc.)
Ha ha, no.

>>547426
You can get just as overpowered in FFVI. Genji Glove + Offering or Ultima + training magic stat.

>>547426

Oh, I wouldn't say that. Overflowing with Death Penalty (or Barret's Missing Score) is always fun, so it using stuff like Mimic + Knights of the Round, 4x cut + Slashall, Last Strike + Phoenix, etc

>>547430

1. Retard.

2. Why doesn't FF4 have a movie, an anime? Why aren't FF4 characters guests in other games? Like FFT, Ehrgeiz etc.

And remaking FF7 is their last joker. IN case something goes wrong, a remake of 7 would pull them out of the shitter.

3. Name one plothole in the original PS1 release.

>>546428
> no grinding,
Some grinding is not no grinding. It had some grinding, not no grinding.
It had shitty sidequests (inb4 dismissing shitty sidequests)
The story isn't 'straight forward' also has too much tree hugging laced atmosphere.
Characters were, okay. Materia system, worked. Music was, okay. Towns had their ups and downs. Mini games were novelty and not really all that fun anyway, the gold saucer shit that was boring as shit as poorly implemented.

It's not the worst FF, it's not the best FF.

>>547416
Which part, bitcharino?

The part where I am claiming that a Final Fantasy that has outsold many numbered releases is a core game?
Or the part where I presented my opinion of quality in a nonabsolute manner?

>>547450
Doesn't mean I can't enjoy FFVII, does it? If you wanna go like that, might as well have mentioned Wind God Gau.

>>547408
Tactics Advanced is loosely connected to Ivalace, as the kids are transported into the imagination of someone who fucking loves FFT
and Tactics Advanced 2 takes place in Ivalace proper.
And of course there's FF12RW, but that game sucks.

>>547445
THe game is called The Zodiac Brave Story. The other game in the series is Vagrant Story.

It is was rebranded Final Fantasy for marketing purposes only. In reality, it isn't an Ogre game only because the license belonged to a different published back then, so Matsuno had to cook up a spiritual successor instead of a sequel.

>>547452
Cloud and Zack's escape from Shinra is completely missing from the original release. It was only explained in the US version and the International re-release.

>>546428

>>547457
FF Tactics Advance and FFXII are to FT and VS what Donte is to Devil May Cry. THe publisher says they're a part of the same series, and initially they were suppsoed to have been, but fate willed otherwise.

>>547471

So? It's not an important detail. They escaped and that's it. And how is that a plothole? Do you need to spoon fed everything? Like Cloud shitting or Tifa having her period. Must be a plothole, it is never shown.

>>547475

Looks excellent.

>>547452
1. Valid claim respond to by an insult. Strong start.
2. Because FF4 is strong enough that it didn't need countless spinoffs to unfuck its plot, and instead of shitty remakes, it got a massive expansion Next Generation story that even as a cellphone game was infinitely better than anything FF4 got.
Oh, and unlike Advent Children, wasn't derided as worse than Spirits Within.
3. Who the fuck is Cloud? That answer is not on the original disks at all.

>>547467
Rove your claims

>>547482
He thinks that if it doesn't have screen time, it's a plothole already.

He msut like thems nipponese visual novels, where you can end up reading for hours about what the main character and his shitty sister and their retarded friend ate for breakfast before anything whatsoever happens at all. Moving the actual plot forward is not his cup of tea.

>>547482
Its an important part of their relationship and how Cloud got Zack memories. It needed to be on the game disk.

>>547475
>>547486
This. It looks fine.

FVII looks fine. Field models are silly, but they aren't painfully ugly as some claim. And backgrounds are sometimes outright gorgeous.

>>546593
I think they looked better. And I'm not retarded.

>>547486

>>547512
Ironically this shit was practically impossible to what was what on the actual system.

>>547512
Oh god, the translation for this game is hilarious at some points. But I think it's part of its charm.

>>547494
You asking for proof, I get it right?

FFT and VS are set in the same setting. When you start playing FFT, it displays it's title in the intro freaking cinematic - the Zodiac Brave Story.

FFT to OB is what Dark Souls is to Demon's Souls. Except FFT was branded Final Fantasy, because that made it sell a bit.

As for FFXII, just read about it's development history. Yasumi Matsuno left half-way, because he hated how the game was being made. Squeenix said he had "health problems". It was round the time everyone, including even the goddamn fucking Sakaguchi of all people, left the company.

>>547489
>3. Who the fuck is Cloud? That answer is not on the original disks at all.
Yes it fucking is. He was the soldier in Zack and Sephiroth's escort. He's from Nibelheim. He got experimented upon, and was a part of Jenova project. He escaped from Nibelheim and came to Midgar.

This is from the original game.

>>547489
>3. Who the fuck is Cloud? That answer is not on the original disks at all.
What? The game tells you who Cloud is. He's a kid from Nibelheim who failed to get into SOLDIER.

This shit was a fucking mess on the playstation just like the condor scene.
Also mutant birds with extra eyes I guess are pretty cute right?

We're talking about FF7, right?

>>547547
I don't know what you're trying to prove, here.

>>547547
>my terrible ePSXe upscale of a 1997 game looks bad
O.K.

>>547553
He's posting his 1600x1200 ePSXe upscales from 2011. What he's trying to prove is that he's fucking dumb as all hell.

In high res, when the 3D is rendered fine, but 2D has to be stretched, FFVII characters start to look out of place. On a real TV, in native resolution, they blended in jsut fine.

Never understood the immense hatred toward FF7. For a long time it was one of my favorite JRPGs though I still preferred FF6 over it. I just figure to each their own, I still consider FF7 a good game.

>>547527
>Except FFT was branded Final Fantasy,
Yeah and they slipped in chocobos and an entire encyclopedia of artifacts and locations as small trophies from the entire fucking series as well.

>>547548
I always thought that mod looked like ass.

>>546743

Most of them, and lots of the people who claim to hate FF7, have either not played it, or never made it past the first 10 or so hours of the game. You always hear the same complaints about bad pacing and overly long cutscenes, when this is only an issue at the very beginning and the very end of the game. And regardless of if they have or haven't played it, they'll still characterise Cloud as a 'tryhard emo' even though that's only the case in Advent Children.

There are flaws with FF7, and there are acceptable reasons not to like it, but it's blatantly obvious when you're just parroting someone else's opinion and never really gave the game a chance.

>>547558
>Never understood the immense hatred toward FF7.
I personally hate it because of the disparity of how I remember it and what it actually is.

When I was 13, I was obsessed with it. Now it not only a JRPG, it's a relatively unimpressive one. Fuck it for not having been better. Fuck it for not standing the test of maturing judgement at all. Fuck it for deceiving the 13 year old me into thinking it was profound.

>>547568
>Yeah and they slipped in chocobos and an entire encyclopedia of artifacts and locations as small trophies from the entire fucking series as well.
Yep. Yep they did.

Your point being?

>>547573
>or never made it past the first 10 or so hours of the game.
Waaaaait sec, the first ten hours are the only good ones.

>>547558
I don't understand it either, and I've been playing FF games since the NES original. It's a solid game. Not as amazing as some claim but I'd say it's in the upper half of the FFs, at the very least.

>>547583
You're reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally gonna have to make citations.

>>547563
>He's posting his 1600x1200 ePSXe upscales from 2011. What he's trying to prove is that he's fucking dumb as all hell.
The only one proving someones dumb as all hell is you assuming shit.

>>547606
He's right though. You don't upscale a game if you know it won't look good.

>>547554
>hur dur when upscale you can see everything clearer than the original therefore it is bad.
O.K.Go fuck yourself.

>>546472
No, it looks more like
>>546446

The game ran at like 320x224 on the playstation. When played on a CRT TV at the time, with usually composite connection, it was blurred enough so you didn't notice the fact that you had low-res pre-rendered backgrounds.

PC version or emulated versions with higher resolutions make the game looked retarded shit though. I always laugh when idiots on emulator forums post pictures of Final Fantasy 7 in 2048x1536 FXAAx16, where the background is still 320x240 unfiltered blots.

>>547586
ew, no, up through Kalm is my least favorite section of this game. Absolutely boring and slow.
>and i love this game

OP is a master stroll

>>547624
>FXAAx16
That would blur shit decently.
FXAA is dogshit.

>>547596
>You're reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally gonna have to make citations.
What citations? The chocobos ARE THERE.

Anywa, please read this post through. It's not speculation. Come to whichever conclusion yourself.

The game is called Final Fantasy Tactics. Author's previous game is called Tactics Ogre. They are very similar, and share the writer/director himself, and also the artist and the composer.

It has a subtitle of Zodiac Brave Story.

Author's next game - by the time he's become a big Squaresoft producer - is set in the same world and is called Vagrant Story. World is the same (Ivalice)... but Final Fantasy elements are completely, entirely, perfectly gone.

>>547624
Honestly if you don't think this looks better than the original playstation you're a fucking retard. It looks nice and you can even clearly see the fucking gun rack and and the rifles in the fucking cases for fucks sake.

test

>>546428
This game is pretty cool even by todays standards. Story is interesting and characters aren't annoying. BUT! As any JRPG it does have some level of mindless grinding, just not as much as others. Mini games are pretty simple and stupid, and i hate Chocobo racing, i just don't understand this, i never understood, dare i say, appeal of and FF's mini game. Other than that, i love even graphics.

>>547702
>scanlines
Non, anon. You are the retarded.

>>546446
Wasn't that optional? I never tried to do so, but it seemed like you could just run right past Kalm to the chocobo ranch unhindered.

>>547702

Maybe if you had a comparison shot from a crt I could agree.

>>547702
That's terrible
The blockiness of the characters is accented by being in high definition, making them look even more ridiculous than usual. The awful contrast between the SD pre-rendered background and the HD character models is absolutely unbearable, especially due to the anti-aliasing.

>>546428

if you don't grind in this game, you're going to have issues

i got to the endgame on my first playthrough at level 35 and i had a hard time beating sephiroth

>>547735
You can't progress past the cave unless you do it.

Case of the dev team thinks of everything: If you get off the chocobo outside the cave entrance, Cloud realizes that he's forgetting something, and tells the Chocobo to wait there. This stops you from getting trapped there by midgarsormer.

>>547430
Question:

Do you count 11 and 14 as part of the core franchise?

i liked FF7 quite a bit

Shin megami tensei > Any Final fantasy
Stop already, guise.

>>547754
That was a good trick.

>>547430
>3. If you honestly believe that, you are fucking retarded. FF7 only makes sense because of the countless shitty spinoffs retconning the game plot into some semblance of sense. 8 was just a stupif, but you could put it all together within its own narrative.
But the extended universe made everything way more complex and confusing than it needed to be, and answered nothing important about the original game. You have it completely backwards.

Also, figuring out Clouds real story was a giant chunk of disc 2, and the scene where it all comes together one of the most important scenes in the game. Were you sleeping during the entire lifestream adventure?

4 is my favourite in the series. 7 isn't too bad though, kinda think it get's a little too much praise to be honest.

It's called sour grapes, OP.

When Final Fantasy VII came out, all the poorfags who had only experienced the series through emulation were mad that this was the first Final Fantasy they didn't get to play.

>>547795
I just played through the SNES version of 4 recently, not knowing anything about it prior to, and found it to be one of the worse games in the series. Couldn't get into the game at all and I had to force myself through the entire Lunar area.

Did I just play a particularly awful version of the game?

>>547815
Depends if you played the localised version (labelled as II) or the Japanese fan-translation version. The Japanese version is a hell of a lot better.

In my opinion, the PSP remake is the most superior version of the game.

>>547702

>>546507
>summarize the plot to FF7 in a short paragraph

A world-renowned soldier finds out he's some fucked up genetic experiment and decides he's gonna destroy the world, and Cloud must stop him while coming to terms with his own past. Not that complicated.

>>547743
The characters always looked blocky. It's actually less of an issue because it's less jagged to boot.
The AA blends the characters into the background far better with the background blur.
You must have never seen the original, because that shit look great and it blends in wonderfully.

The only reason FF7 gets so much praise and so much hate is because, for many people, it was their first Final Fantasy.
It's probably popped more cherries than any other FF.

Outside of that, it's nothing special. Just like all the other games, it improves on some things first 3D FF, the materia was nice but it fucking fails at some others barely any characters, bad story, no one felt unique in battle.

Personally, I think it was fun to play through when I was younger, but it's not an amazing game. Noteworthy, but far from amazing.

>>546507
Psychologically unstable terrorist fights mega-corporation to stop planetary genocide

>>547843
>barely any characters
There were nine. That's only "barely any" by FFVI standards.

>>547834
>>547856
Average shounen protagonist battles average shounen antagonist through a contrived and near-boring plot.

>>547843
>No one felt unique in battle
This was my biggest issue with the materia system.
The customization aspect was amazing but I had absolutely no incentive to use anyone but the same three characters the entire game.

>>547737
>Maybe if you had a comparison shot from a crt I could agree.
You're using that word wrong. That is a screen shot taken when used on a CRT.

>>547869
its just a scanline filter

>>547843
>no one felt unique in battle.
This was a bigger problem in 8, 10, and 12. 12 being the worst offender. The characters were pretty much interchangeable with oneanother by the endgame. At least the previous games had unique limit breaks.

>>547861
That's its direct predecessor, so yes, barely any characters. I'm aware anyone who had it as their first FF wouldn't feel this way, but those who played them previously I started with FF2, played FF1 instead of 3 then moved to SNES it felt like a huge step down. FF6 had a huge, pretty diverse cast of characters who actually had stories, and were much better developed than FF7. Hell, we barely know a fucking thing about half the characters in 7.

As >>547865 mentioned, FF7 plays out like an average shounen anime. Pretty damn closely, too. This aint a good thing for story.

>>547879
Well those all suck except 12, I like 12.

>>547878
What?

>>547879
Ten had a nice battle system

>>547843
>no one felt unique in battle.
so the same problem with every FF aside from 1, 4, and 9

>>547910
and 6.
Everyone had access to magic, but they all still had their unique classes and commands too.

>>547827
>epsxe
>those big ass exaggerated scanlines

Anon, I implore to stop

>>547910

>>546428
Sold.

Right after I play myst and masterquest this is first on my list.

>>547886
>FF7 plays out like an average shounen anime
If you think Final Fantasy 6 is Romance of the Three Kingdoms, I suggest you go play it again. You'll probably realize EVERY Final Fantasy game is a shounen anime when you're older than 20.

test

>>547916
>Everyone had access to magic
I feel like the game is more fun when you only let Tina and Ceres have spells.

You can use the spells they learn naturally... or, if you put an esper on them, pretend it's like a magic book and they're studying the spell.

>>547917
>big ass
Seriously, stop being retarded.

>>547910
Not 10? It's whole battle system was based on "you need this guy to fight these enemies" and made you actually want to use your whole party. Exception being Kimahri.

Sure you can drop the character's into other character's sphere grids to get around that but that can't be done until extreme late game.

>>547945
Yeah, I guess 10 gets a pass since the characters are distinct unless you grind excessively for the optional content.

>>546486
I hate fiction that does this. Like in Dragon Ball Z, specifically the Android 13 movie, where they mention a bunch of super models from real world countries, which, in this canon, DON'T EXIST.

>>547940
This. I go more extreme and avoid espers and magic-teaching-equipment altogether, but the point is I prefer letting each character have their own special characteristics.

>>546509

>>546428
And anyone who'd been playing computer RPGs knew it was old hat and noting mindblowing or revolutionary about it.

>>547843
>>547867
>>547879
>>547910
>>547916
>>547940
>>548004
> muh characters aren't unique snowflakes!
Then make them that way. Designate a summoner, black mage, white mage, etc. You don't HAVE to load everyone down with an arsenal of materia.

>>548023

This

But now since all those people who bit onto it being revolutionary without knowing better are old now, it's a "classic" and people who don't like it are "underaged," even though it's the other way around.

>>548031

This is how I feel about most FFs, but this is harder to do in FFVII than it is in FFVIII.

It's hardest to do in FFXII but that's why IZJS exists.

I agree. That's basically what I said I did.

>>548047
It makes it harder, yes. Not impossible. Look at it as making the game a little more difficult.
As for XII, I wouldn't know. I haven't been able to get into a FF since X.

>>548072
>Look at it as making the game a little more difficult.

Sorry, I can't agree with this; the game is still super easy if you make everyone a bruiser with a little healing. It just makes it harder to make it fun.

>>547931
who the fuck mentionen FFVI?
We are talking abou how the plot of FFVII is like an average shounen anime

>>547208
this

FF7 wad not revolutionary at all. The only reason why it was so big was because it was one of the first games with a large marketing campaign and the first JRPG for a lot of people.

>>546446
>>no grinding
>I beg to differ. You do need to do some.

I didn't do any grinding at all on the first playthrough.

>>546548
>the characters were completely unlikeable

Oh come on now. Cloud, Aeris, Tifa and Cid were massively popular. And Sephiroth, among the baddies.

>>548173
You definitely don't need any.

>>548115
Well, to each his own. I'm just throwing ideas out there based on how most of /vr/ apparently likes difficult games.
Also, thanks for the civil disagreement. I'm still adjusting from theusual /v/ autism.

>>546682
I think whichever game you played first, you're more inclined to like. I played 7 first and I just couldn't get into 6 as much. Though Celes' story was absolutely heartbreaking, there was no Aeris moment where I'm absolutely flooded with tears.

>>546446

Vincent and Yuffie were helping evacuate the city.

Dirge of Cerburus is canon.

>>547867
>This was my biggest issue with the materia system.
>The customization aspect was amazing but I had absolutely no incentive to use anyone but the same three characters the entire game.

This could be seen as a plus, if you really like the looks or Limit Breaks of some of the characters. Meant I never had to feel bad about parking Cait Sith or Red XIII.

ITT kiddies who think FF7 is the best because they missed out on FF6 for the SNES, which was obviously the best game in the series.

>>546526
Random encounters are a relic of the past. I am glad that certain remakes of past games I liked got rid of random encounters for encounters on the field.

>>548224
>FF6 for the SNES, which was obviously the best game in the series.

What did you like about it the most?

>>548119
>average shounen anime
What does this mean? I've seen plenty of anime and have no idea what the "average" is. Do you mean this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth

>>548224
> implying
Try again. VI was my 2nd FF and I would much rather play VII. Welcome to a world with opinions, anon.

I think most of the hate for FF VII comes from feeling it's over-praised by fanboys. I'd be surprised if there really was a huge bunch FF fans who truly thought VII was a shit installment that does nearly everything wrong. The block polygon characters haven't really aged well, but I feel like VII does everything an FF game needs to do pretty well. It's got decent characters, character system, distinctive villains, storyline etc. I liked the sub quests too, but of course nothing is going to work for everyone.

>>546428
most powerful line in the game, OP.

>>546473
I 100% agree with this statement.

>>548798
No, this is.

>>546428
What's wrong with sidequests? Do you mean like in Skyrim? I love sidequests because they're optional extra challenges, like Emerald Weapon. I like some of the older games more but still liked VII, though the replay value wasn't really there and hated that my favorite female character was killed off.

>>547827
>>547702
The built-in scanlines are shit. You need to upgrade to a proper shader.

>>547743
That's what I absolutely hated about downloading Phantasy Star II from the virtual console, it really reminded me hard of pixilization. Game aged pretty well I think, and still has one of the best endings ever.

>>546673
Cecil was King Baron's pet project. There's some lines of dialog that it was supposed to be Kain but Kain refused to forsake the Dragoon Corps or something like that.
Cecil was born raised and seasoned for command. Couple that with the relative newness of airships in that setting, there really weren't any veterans for him to be a subordinate to.

>>547879
That's the only thing I didn't like about 10, otherwise I loved that game. Mixing Final Fantasy V's job system with FFX's battle system would be boss. FFV had the perfect medium between too locked into roles like FF1 and FF4 and too sandboxy like FFVII. If everyone can cast full-cure and ultima it really takes away from those roles. Yeah people can master jobs for those skills, but would be penalized or forced to grind out more physical classes as games should encourage role diversity, so no everyone heals + nukes.

Also, Yuna was cute.

>>548956
Ahh Kain, he's my favorite sidekick ever.

>>548989
Yeah, Kane is awesome.

>>548859
If you REALLY think about it, that picture actually is REALLY deep

>>549037
He was even Parom's sidekick for a short while in The After Years. I played everyone's tale except Edward and Yang because money and priorities. Also, I don't care about Yang.

There was nothing revolutionary about it except the presentation and fancy prerendered videos. The mechanics are as insipid as they were in 6.

>>548980
>Also, Yuna was cute.
No. No, she wasn't.

>>546428
>the gameplay is still fun
You can't be fun if you completely lack challenge at all.

Fucking Kirby Super Star is harder than FF7 is, and that's one of the easiest games I've played.

FF7 indirectly led to sex with my high school chemistry teacher, so I can't hate it.

All in all, it was pretty fun. Was probably amazing when it first came out. In 1997, most RPGs were Generic Fantasy Quest or Dungeon Dive, so I can understand the praise.

It's not my favorite RPG, but I won't deny it its due accolades.

>>553182
>FF7 indirectly led to sex with my high school chemistry teacher, so I can't hate it.
Let me guess. He lured you with a copy and fucked you in the ass.

>>549119

You're right. Yuna wasn't cute. At all.

She was beautiful

>>549119
kawaii~~~

>>553182
>FF7 indirectly led to sex with my high school chemistry teacher, so I can't hate it.

So basically your chemistry teacher looked like Hojo and you masturbated to the idea of fucking him

cool fantasy bro

>>553193
>Let me guess. He lured you with a copy and fucked you in the ass.

It was the other way around since he lost his penis in Vietnam. Not to a grenade or anything, he got a venereal disease from a prostitute.

>>553196
>dat Gold Saucer date
>Cloud cold shoulders her

>>547447
>Characters were, okay.
>Materia system, worked.
>Music was, okay.

Tangent, but do you even know how to use a fucking comma?

>>553120
That game is also fun as fuck, despite having challenge relative to fighting an infant. Where exactly were you going with this?

>>547985

Quiet up bra, Dragon Ball movies aren't canon

I get what you mean though

This scene alone makes FF7 the best game.

>>553321

God damn it, I spend every day of my life trying to repress my memory of that scene, anon.

Fuck you.

I don't hate FF7, I just hate the children that hopped on board with Advent Children that now dictate the direction the series has taken.

>>553332

>implying the series wasn't excrement long before Advent Children

>>553335
>Reading comprehension

Slept well ?

I liked VII. It got me into the entire series. The thing I don't understand is the misguided hate towards VIII for not being a sequel to VII. And fuck people for expecting Spirits Within to be a VII movie and hating it for that reason.

>>547843
fucking love that pic! Wonder if my man, Mick Foley, egged the crowd on? You can see him make a pretty fast exit up top right.

And Terry Funk gets insta KOd by one of those chairs at the lower left.

Glorious pic there.

>>548892
Not the guy you were replying to, but could you throw me a name of one of these shaders you'd suggest?

>>553349
Does this have impact on the game?

>>546428
>Back when it was released, it was fucking MINDBLOWING and revolutionary.
Damn straight
>And to this day, the gameplay is still fun,
Dead wrong
> mini games that were not fucking horrible and were just for fun.
SUPER WRONG

>>553307
I, Don't, know, w,hat, youre,talking,about;your, not making, any,, sense.,,

>talk with /v/fags who hate FF7
>turns out all their information comes from shitty tie-ins

it was a bit boring

>>553475
Been a while since I last played, I believe early game choices like these impact who you ultimately end up on a date with.

I haven't played FF7 properly since 2001, but seeing at all these backgrounds brings back fond memories. It was my first FF game, and I hear the job system in FF6 makes for more interesting game mechanics, but core mechanics weren't really important to me at the time. The music, the atmosphere, and the characters were where it was at.

It hasn't aged well, sometimes when I get the hankering to have a crack at it these days after seeing threads like this one, but I don't get much further than meeting Aeris for the first time.

As old as FF7 is, the haunting soundtrack will stay with me until I die.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbiBoSQ-S3A

I have beaten FFVI, and it's nothing special as others claim. There are much better JRPGs than in on the SNES, like Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, Dragon Quest 5/6 and others.
Lost interest in FFVII after finishing Disc 1. Again, there are much better JRPGs on the PS1, like Xenogears for example.

The thing is that Final Fantasy is overrated by normalfags which have only played one JRPG franchise.

>>546568
Can't argue there. Although FFX would win against FFVII.

>>553475
Yeah, it raises or lowers Tifa's affection points. Also Barret's.

>>553573
>I hear the job system in FF6 makes for more interesting game mechanics
FF6 didn't have the job system, it had the Esper system, which was just a very lame, simplified version of the job system. It was not at all interesting mechanically, especially not compared to the materia system.

>>553694
Oh, right. A friend of mine gets his balls in a twist about how great the job system is, specifically FF6 and tactics (for the ds).
I really liked the materia management in FF7 myself, I just wish it became a big deal earlier in the game.

I replay this game every couple of years. It never gets old. Though there is a slow point from right after you get out of Midgar, until about Nibelheim.

That music
Those prerendered backgrounds
That super fast battle framerate

Haters gonna hate.

>>553741
I remember battles having a shitty framerate

>>553749
No way. The animations are very jerky, but there is no sluggishness at all.

Alright, this thread's still here, so I guess I'll post in it.

I hate this fucking game, and it isn't because I think it's bad. I hate the game for being so astoundingly average and setting the bar so low for an entire generation of people whose introduction to the genre was FF7. People are incredulous when someone who was there when the game came out tells them that there was only one thing that was mindblowing about it, and that was the graphics. We shit our pants over this stuff back in 1997, and it's clear to us all now that graphics age horribly. When they developed this game, they just assumed the aesthetics would compel you to work through the mindnumbingly stupid, convoluted, nonsensical, horribly localized plot. Nobody playing it now has that excuse, so they just jump on the bandwagon and pretend that they aren't mystified by the fact that history treats FF7 like it's one of the best games ever made.

The game's own faults are apparent enough by the time you've beaten the dumbed down, piss-easy thing, but what's worse is that it sold well and set the standard for successful RPGs for years to come. It is the prototypical big budget, low content video game. It is the reason why every Square RPG of the '90s devolved into "SUDDENLY, ALIENS!" by the end of disc 2. It hearkened an end to likeable characters, compelling stories, and challenging gameplay for years as every competitor tried to mimic its success by offering the exact same bland experience over and over again. Though probably unintentional, it has been one of the most helpful games to the industry over the short term while being one of the most damaging games over the long term, and it wreaked so much havoc by simply being mediocre.

>>548859

This image hurts my sides.

>>553790
I'm not sure any of what you just said is true.

I guess your standards for games are just too damn high.

>>553790
Sounds like a hater.

There are way easier RPGs on the SNES and other consoles. And your complaints about the story and characters are pretty silly.

Plus it is a hell of a lot of nonsense to blame on one game. You make out like FF7 is the pivotal point for all RPGs ever where things when completely shit, which isn't the case.

>>553790
>likes anime
>posts anime on a ff thread on 4chun
>most likely some tween (not a typo) who categorizes a game way too easily AKA closed-minded beta animu kawaii atelier-loving hater of everything that isn't jap super repressed gayness anon

I don't recall ever having to grind (unless you count the superbosses )

>>553821
Its not FF7's fault that JRPGs went down drain from the later 32bit era to the PS2 era. FF7 is good.

>>553810
>I'm not sure any of what you just said is true
>Offers no rebuttal

>>553814
Sounds like a fanboy.

The assertion that "there are way easier RPGs on the SNES and other consoles" misses the point completely. And although you're right and I don't particularly want to argue the point, I can't name many. Just because a game takes longer to beat doesn't mean it's more difficult, by the way.

My complaints about the story are completely justified. The story starts out as a perfectly decent story about a group of revolutionaries/ecoterrorists against an evil corporation, and then starts to steadily go right down the shitter once you leave Midgar. By the time you're done, it's thrown more bad science fiction at you than a Metal Gear Solid game.

>>553790
Square games were always easymodo style over substance. But it really doesn't matter. You're arguing with a bunch of people who think that a game that isn't the best at anything it does is somehow amazing and probably don't play much outside of jrpgs.

>>553834
Because you don't have to. The game is super easy. Only point you'd ever have to grind at is the Sephiroth, if you didn't pick up Big Guard or Despell. Yes, its spelled like that.

>>553838
>bad science fiction
>nonsensical story

Wow, its almost like its a JRPG/anime game!

>>553846
Even if it's intentionally shit, it's still shit.

>>553825
>Doesn't know what Touhou is
>Doesn't know that 4chan began as an imageboard about Japanese culture
>Somehow oblivious to all of the banner images with Japanese shit on them
>ad hominem attack

>>553790
>jrpgs
>hard
Top lel

>>553860
You're probably a pleb who couldn't hope to understand Xenogear's deep story.

>>553862
What does the story have to do with how hard the game is?

>>553707
You sure he's not talking about 5? That had an actual job system, one very similar to Tactics.

FF7 didn't ruin the FF series or JRPGs in general.
It was a classical game, complete with save the world story and a secondary real Villain behind the Villainy, with a graphical uplift. (which was awesome, backgrounds in particular, even discounting how awesome the FMVs was for the time)
Going back to it the only real annoyance I saw was how slow Cloud's flashbacks were the Kalm one in particular.

FF8 if anything started that whole downfall with it's focus on "realism". I remember the whole pitch about seeing your whole party outside of combat as part of it.
Hence why FF9 was sold as a throwback harkening back to the earlier FF games.

>>553869
>realism
>Final Fantasy
What world do you live in m8

>>553838
I don't give rebuttals to arguments that don't offer any supporting evidence other than ones personal tastes.

>>553872
The one that was sentient at the time of FF8's release.

>>553872
The one in which I was sentient at the time of FF8's release.

>>553869
Nope, FFVII was the first game where square decided to focus on grafics and just tinker with the mechanics which were virtually unchanged compared to VI.
>>553878
What evidence do you need? You haven't noticed how traditional jrpgs stagnated and started to focus on presentation over everything else?

>>FF8 if anything started that whole downfall with it's focus on "realism"

>First thing you can do in the game is download an ice fairy and a thunder god into your brain via your computer

>>553887
Apparently you battle giants monsters and use magic, as well as summon giant guardian beasts
I know realism is the first thing that springs to mind when I play FF
Fucking dipshit

FFVII is my favorite PS1 game and if you don´t like it you can go fuck yourself

>>553890
>just tinker with the mechanics which were virtually unchanged compared to VI.
Equipment and Materia system were both very different from what VI offered.

>>553901
Yeah, because that's the kind of realism we're talking about.
Not to mention that was how Square marketed it you fucking brat.

>>553907
JRPGs are not realistic
You are a fucking goon for even bringing up the notion

>>553898
>>553901
Kitase is on the record of wanting the visuals to "be realistic" from the get-go.

>>553904
Doesn't matter. Most of the game is still pressing one button really fast to get through a random battle and then reading some dialogue. All the systems didn't affect the mechanics in a meaningful way, you're just rearanging some stuff in a menus to make numbers go up. None of it required much strategy either.

>>553917
FF is not realistic

>>553890
I've noticed a lot of stagnation in the games industry in general, I'm not about to blame FF7 for the industries woes.
If anything you said is true (what you said was entirely subjective), FF7 is the symptom, not the cause of an ill traditional jrpg genre.

>>553878
What do you want, a bibliography? I know it's easier to just call someone wrong and walk away, but how I felt about the game isn't even the crux of the argument.

>>553919
Then why mention 6?
With that definition the series hasn't changed since 1.
Such a fundamental change of mechanics shouldn't happen either in a sequel. At that point it's more of a spinoff.

>>553926
How is it a symptom if it was the first in a line of awful, samey games? And it is part of the problem, it's one of the first games that demonstrated that flashy graphics are an easier way to impress people than interesting or deep mechanics.

>>553934
>than interesting or deep mechanics.
Yet the Materia system is more interesting than most systems in FF. Particularly once you got weapons that could combine them.
Looking back I only think the Job system in 5 was more fun.

>>553934
What "deep" mechanics are missing from FF7 that were in previous titles
Hard mode: No Job system

>>553931
Actually, I do think that it has barely changed since one, apart from of course looking much better. 6 and 7 are the closest you get to having similar mechanics with a decent ammount of time in between the two games and only a superficial facelift to show progress.

>>553934
Entirely subjective again, you best be trolling.

Sometimes I wonder if jrpg/FF fans will wake up someday, play a crpg or ja2 or something and realize "holy shit I've been praising this shallow trash all this time what the fuck?!"

>>553939
>similar mechanics with a decent ammount of time in between the two games
I don't remember all that many similarities between 6 and 7 mechanically. Most of 6's characters had their special abilities as their thing.

>>553942
I pretty sure they only play jrpgs and SOTN.

>>553940
Guy that you think you're arguing with here. You have an odd idea of what the definition of "subjective" is. It's as though circumstantial evidence isn't even a thing to you.

>>546509

HOLY DIVER

>>553942
>>553945
>lotsoftrolls.jpg

>>553942
Hey man, I love crpgs and ja2. However, I don't compare oranges to apples.

Besides, the some of the rpgs coming out of Japan today are richer mechanically than modern AAA crpgs.

>>553942
What makes you think CRPG and JRPG fans are all that dissimilar?
I loved FF7 when it came out and think it's pretty good now yet that didn't stop me from loving Fallout when it came out (buggy as it was) and finishing the DOS Wizardry games. (apart from "Return of Sir-Tech Wants To Fuck You In The Ass" obviously)
Jagged Alliance 2 gets too much cred from the gun fetishist crowd at any rate. (that 1.13 mod is garbage on that account, "man I know what I want. I want to scroll through 80 pages of roughly similar guns")
The combat system is awesome and so are some of the companions and their interactions but that's about it imo.

>>553958
These aren't apples and oranges. They all are either role playing games or focused on turn based combat. FF is shallow in comparison to both of those. Hell, once you can hold a gamepad you've pretty much mastered the game!

>>553958
That's because modern AAA games are a pool of fetid piss

>>553958
I never got how WRPGs and JRPGs one day became an apples and oranges thing. They're both RPGs, so why wouldn't you compare them to other things in the same genre? It's not like we do this with any other genre, either. People don't separate Western fighting games from Japanese fighting games.

>>553947
>circumstantial evidence
>Bright and glorious past before FF7
>Dark and dismal future post FF7

Yeah, no. You just don't like the game. Sorry about that.

>>553967
Yeah because early and/or realtime Blobbers are known for their strategic depth.
Hit
Dance away.
Ranged attack.
Repeat ad nauseam.

>>553961
>What makes you think CRPG and JRPG fans are all that dissimilar?
The rest of your post is a good indicator.

>>553974
So do you compare Roguelikes to Infinity Engine games while you're at it?
Dungeon Crawlers to Sandboxes?
They're different subgenres and should be treated as such.

>>553975
Nah, you're just either too young or too stupid to have noticed the shitload of copycat games that came out in the years after Final Fantasy VII. Sorry about that.

>>553989
They all have enough similarities to warant a comparison. The only difference that really matters is if it's real time or not.

>>553980
Yeah, I bet you know all about good CRPGs you shitheel poser.
Fucking kids who read the Kwa-dex and take everything at face value.

>>553974
Because traditional jrpgs have pathetic character development, world building, npc interactions and stories compared to wrpgs?

>>553975
Nah, you're just either too young or too stupid to have noticed the slew of copycats that came out in the years after Final Fantasy VII.

Nice straw man, too, by the way.

>>553996
Command & Conquer and Doom had plenty of copycat games, I guess they must have been shit too.

>>554005
But I played darklands, though a long time ago.

>>554008
>Because traditional jrpgs have pathetic character development, world building, npc interactions and stories compared to wrpgs?
Traditional CRPGs only had character development. NPC interaction in JRPGs came out of the earliest Ultimas.

>>554014
Yeah I bet you did. Probably after Vince pretended it was the greatest thing ever because it had those choice screens. (yet neglected to mention the repetetive bits)

>another WRPG vs. JRPG argument

What is even the big deal? Play both, or don't if one doesn't appeal to you. Racing fans don't do this shit, Shmup fans don't do this, Beat 'em up fans don't do this, why are RPG fans such petulant children?

>>554023
>Racing fans don't do this shit
They kinda do, but both are so neglected it's not very hard arguing. (realism vs arcade racing)
>Beat 'em up fans don't do this
"Skill"-requiring ones vs MK and Skullgirls saw a shitton of posts back when those were introduced.
>why are RPG fans such petulant children?
Mostly it stems from the RPG genre being stolen/taken over by shitty little action developers.
There's no real call for doing the same to JRPGs though, so i'd definitely file that under petulatn children.

>>554028
>"Skill"-requiring ones vs MK and Skullgirls saw a shitton of posts back when those were introduced.

Them are fighting games, not beat-'em-ups

>>546428
>Looking at OP thumbnail
>Sephiroth has major boobage

>>554061
Ah you mean the sidescrolling ones. Not a tremendously popular genre either.

this whole thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRDrWp0ZRyc

>>546446
>barretattemptstoplayDDR

The game would've been a hell of a lot more interesting if the whole game was more like the first act where you were AVALANCHE, being eco-terrorists and shit.

>>546538
As a fan of FF7 over 6, I agree with this image.
A friend of man is a fan of 6 over 7. He also agrees with this image

We can all get along, folks!

Chocobo breeding was the worst sidequest ever.

Worst than lightning dodging.

>>554205
Failed choco breeder detected

>>546428
>straightforward story
>Lel we are a terrorist cell
>lel we are out of midgard
>Lel we are just walking from town to town just becuse
>The rest is recycled from FF6
>a lot was cut out like Aeris resurection and her dying in other place and else
>likeable characters
>They are either bland as shit or one dimensional as fuck, they only get 1 or 2 moments of spotlight and then they keep babling the same shit over and over.
>great materia system
It was kinda pointless 90% of them are useless and it was grindy as fuck.
>awesome music
It was good but not awesome
>charming cute towns
Not really except for 4 they are all the same and there is nothing to do in them
>mini games that were not fucking horrible and were just for fun.
They were OK FF8 did them better}

Also lets not forget
>Im sephifaggot
>Ok im reading the jenova research
> It says i-ve been injected with jenova cells and my parents are human, it can't say anything else becuase thats what the project was
>Hur dur jenova is my mother
>Im so mad right now
>Okay jenova wants to destroy planets thats what it does
>No wait im going to become a god for no reason
>Jenova llows this despite she could have done it herself thousands of times.
FF7 was so shitty

>>554205
NOTHING is worse than lightning dodging

>>554205

C'mon with that shit, son. You really liked dodging all that shit in once sitting? And starting over when you missed?

>>554234
>>mini games that were not fucking horrible and were just for fun.
>They were OK FF8 did them better}
I regret this. The submarine, the march , the crossdressing and such were fine. The whole El dorado shit, the battles of condor, chocobo breeding were awful

>>554105
I agree, this whole thread is terribly, painfully unfunny.

>straightforward story
>next to mention of Zack in the original release
>one of the most integral parts of the story ends up a massive pothole in the storyline unless you look it up elsewhere

FFVII is not my favorite FF, but it will always hold a special place in my heart. Aeris/th rocked. She was a perfect mix of damsel and hero. Brave, confident, stubborn.

>>554234
Posts like this make me feel like I'm arguing at the lunch table again

>>554326
That was what i wanted to achieve.

I deeply hate FF7. I still don't get how it became so popular, i mean the story makes NO SENSE.

>>554326
Well, this is a retro board.

>>554351
>i mean the story makes NO SENSE.

Mainly because the translation is so abysmal.

>>554351
Why does it need to make sense

>Back when it was released, it was fucking MINDBLOWING and revolutionary.
Maybe to kids who played it as My First RPG, but to people who weren't in elementary school, it was silly, childish, and pathetic.

Go play some real RPGs. Pic so goddamn related it hurts.

>BAWWW BUT BUT BUT OLD GRAPHICS
Grow up. Games aren't about graphics.

>>554369
>>554371
Sephiroth went mad after reading the research right? Well his parents were Hojo and a woman scientist and the whole jenova consisted in injecting the subjects with jenova cells and exposing it to mako.

How come sephiroth arrive to the conclusion that jenova was her mother and that he was an ancient?

And then even if you ignore this , why does he use the energy to become a god? jenova has being killing life from planet to planet for centuries, she never abosobed the power otherwise she would have been millions of time stronger than sephiroth, and why did jenova allow him to do so, its not like sephiroth couldn't find out the truth and kill her to keep sucking the life of other planets

Aside from this why the fuck did the whole party went to where sephiroth was after getting the dark materia, what were they planning to do? Even if cloud was being mindcontrolled at least someone should have said, hey we have the materia we have to hide it else where or shit

VII is actually my favorite FF game. I know that visually, storytelling-wise, and character-wise there other games that are superior, but it just, really holds a place in my heart.

>>554380
Final Fantasy VII is not an RPG at all, why would you compare it to Ultima 5?

>>554380
yeah, final fantasy 7 was decent when i played it for the first time, but it was ultima 7 that blew my fuckin' mind

>>554371
If you don't play a turn-based RPG for the story, what do you play it for? The exciting menu options?

>>554438
>but it was ultima 7 that blew my fuckin' mind
Yeah, that shit was unbelievably buggy.

>>554441

You have no fun with turn-based fights? What a pity.

>>546428
>mini games that were not fucking horrible
No man, FF7 has the worst minigames.

>>546428
I played it when it came out and didn't like it
sure it was something kinda different at the time, but it had little in common with the rest of the FF series up until that point and it was basically a 3D adventure game with RPG elements.

>>554441

SRATEGERY

Always trying to make my team more efficient.

Also story.

FF4: 5/10
FF5: 8/10
FF6: 9/10
FF7: 9/10
FF8: 7/10
FF9: 5/10

search your heart, you know it to be true.

>>554474

Holy shit, this. That Dolphin. That CPR. Why?

>>554474
Such as?

>>554486
>critiquing a 40-hour game based on a 30-second minigame

oh, so you ARE retarded.

>>554485
>FFIV
>FFIX
>5/10
0/10, goddamn you've got some shit taste.

>>554498
see
>>554412
>>554234

Snowboarding.

Fuck your boring card games, 7's Snowboarding is the best gameplay FF has ever had. Final Fantasy XV's battle system should be snowboarding. I bet you think I'm joking!

Been frequenting /v/ and /vr/ the past few days... damn, I'm so happy this game is finally getting the recognition it deserves, after it got it and lost it before haha

>>554503
enjoy your lack of customization, snail's-pace battles, and horrifically stupid plots.

I'll be over here playing good games. You can have your Amarant and Kain, I'll stick with Edgar and Cid. Cheers!

>>554498

Are you stupid? I should not have to explain what's wrong with your comment.

>>554557
>lack of customization
wtf are you talking about?

>see this commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru9zzFEdGWk
>holy fuck, they can do graphics like that with a play station
>play game
>looks like OPs pic
all that disapoint

You notice, that in virtually every thread or conversation where FFVII is mentioned, FFVI is mentioned as being better and/or underrated. Fucking shit. Can you people stop boasting about another game in comparison to the conversation's subject? A lot of people dislike FFVII due to its popularity, and choose to champion FFVI in reply. Honestly, I hear more praise for FFVI than for FFVII.

>>554664
FI is even shittier than 7. That game was the cancer that also ruined 7.
>lets focus briefly on the characters and disregard everything else!

>>554664
>Honestly, I hear more praise for FFVI than for FFVII.

I sure as hell don't, but regardless, I find both games over rated, but at least I recognize that it all comes down to personal preference rather than thinking my opinion = pure and ultimate truth. Personally I prefer the earlier final fantasy games where everything wasn't so linear and you could just explore if you wanted to but you can like anything you want.

>>554682
>likes old nonlinear final fantasies, not ffvi
>world of ruin

I think you're a little mixed-up with your FF timeline.

FFVI > FFIX > FFV > FFXII > FFI > FFIV > FFVII > FFX > FFII > FFVIII > FFIII > FFXI,XIII and FFXIV