/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[3-30] BloodGDX update now supports Tekwar & Witchaven
https://m210.duke4.net/index.php/downloads/download/8-java/53-buildgdx

[3-26] SM194 for Q1 released; 14 maps each on a 64 unit grid
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61702

[3-26] Anon map release: Phobos Station
https://mega.nz/#!Sy5hGaKC!d16N4GKXcOYthn2ONDXw9d5DOC0maoMZatR2ruo0XBM

[3-26] Doom Eternal confirmed for a Steam release
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1110225138979651584

[3-24] James 'Jimmy' Paddock providing music for Romero's Sigil
https://twitter.com/JamesPaddock/status/1109737028571164672

[3-21] Hedon released, a standalone game using GZDoom
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=56480

[3-21] A Quake 2 RTX implementation project now taken all the way by Nvidia
https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/quake-ii-rtx-nvidia-ray-tracing

[3-20] Recent gameplay footage of Nightdive's System Shock remake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdiaIRkjpI0

[3-19] id Software to release Doom Eternal on Google Stadia

[3-18] System Shock 3 teaser premiered at GDC
https://youtu.be/j--cFOyeT7E

[3-16] WitchavenGDX & TekwarGDX updated as part of beta BuildGDX multilauncher
http://m210.duke4.net/

[3-14] Google announces id software's presence at GDC
https://twitter.com/googledevs/status/1105964410168721409

[3-12] Trailer released for DOOM ANNIHILATION, another live-action Doom movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDF9CPwSvFA

[3-9] Zanieon releases MMDCXIV, feature one large map with three more to come
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=53887

[3-9] DoomRL Arsenal finaly gets a new update, adding in the new PDA, HUD, and some new monsters
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37044

[3-7] 3D Realms announces Wrath, a new game made on Darkplaces
https://twitter.com/3DRealms/status/1103627856201113601

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Reposting since the last thread is dying

Any WADs that are good in co-op and that aren't slaughtershit?

>>5473936
Bethesda announced the /idgame archive will be integrated to their launcher, you'll now require a bethesda.net account to download wads (more info on their site)

>>5473947
You made me look. Goddammit.

>>5473947
I already have one faggot

>>5473887
Are the maps in the demo this guy released supposed to be completable? I played 2 but hit a brick wall where I couldn't find any way to progress in either.

>>5473909
>>5473918
this
get tactical
skip the revenants until you're almost done with the map, clear the way to the exit.
Go back and set them loose, lead them around to scatter them, and double back to go get your rocket launcher.
Certainly you can take out grouped revenants with an RL
And any that you dont feel happy facing, just leave them behind
GASP! How dare someone suggest getting less than 100% kills, and worse, purposefully leaving monsters behind to sputter about
But that just means you have more ammo, and health for the next map. The Exit Zone is the goal of the map right?
if you want 100% kills let the archvile resurrect the chaingunner alot, then it makes up for it.

You need to try Plutonia 2
And pistol start one of the maps 14-17
Especially "predatorium"

Brutal Dooms fun

A P R I L F O O L S L O L

>>5473960
And just let the dumbass imps try and throw fireballs and (poorly) keep me away from the stimpaks forever? I'm not some psychopath.

>>5473936
>BloodGDX update now supports Tekwar & Witchaven

literally no one asked for this

>>5474056
>no one asked for tekwar
i did

Is there any way to play multiplayer Blood?

>>5474078
n

>>5474068
The BloodGDX and NBlood ports both have multiplayer. There's no dedicated servers or server browsers though, so you'd have to organize games with buddies or on the Blood discord.

>>5474056
That's an odd phrasing of the news by OP, what's happened is all of his ports will be released through his multilauncher called BuildGDX, and it currently supports Blood, Tekwar, & Witchaven. He already had separate Tekwar & Witchaven ports out before.

>>5474083
You monster.

>>5474083
in the pile you go

>>5474083
Hiroshimoot shouldve added a dislike button too

I'm going to say it. Marathon is better.

>>5474132
Better than what?

>>5474138
GIVE THIS NIGGA LIKES

>>5474117
>>5474118
>>5474121
>t. cacodemons
get rekt you overgrown tomatoes

>>5474138

JUST SEEN A BIG OL ASS

>>5474138
It's better than a buffalo taking a diarrhea dump in my ear... marginally!

>>5474171

Sarais' maps are very enjoyable and his posts are always very succinct and informative, his presence always makes /doom/ a better thread
April fools

fuck I love this mod

>>5474240
I played the first couple maps yesterday. I like how exploration heavy it is.

>>5474209
there is not enough nudes of her

>>5474246
I'd be more into the exploration if it felt like I was finding anything.

<span class="fortune" style="color:#bac200">

Your fortune: Average Luck[/spoiler]

>>5473936
Plutonia 3 announced. And judging from those screenshots, I think its real.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105326-plutonia-3-boom-compatible-megawad/

>>5474352
Its April 1st. Take any and all news with a heafty pinch of salt until the end of this irritating day.

>>5474259
This. I want to like Hedon and the latest patch does fix some of the issues the game has but the exploration feels more like aimless wandering and the enemies are often more annoying than fun to fight. The character art looks like fucking shit too. The menu screen looks amazing but the models themselves just look off
I love the lore and atmosphere though, he really nailed those.

>>5474368
I mean, if its fake, those screenshots are definitely maps in something upcoming.

I've just come to the conclusion that retro shooters are no fun at all, with lousy AI, boring guns, crap level design and grating midi music.
I mean, the corpses in Doom swivel to face you no matter where you go, how lazy is that?
I'm off to play a quality game, like Anthem.

>>5474392
Almost got me.

Sometimes I wonder if I take things too far...

>>5474209
April Fool's twist: a sexy milf and a trap get added

a man can dream

>>5474384
I think the levels are pretty compactly designed all in all, it's not like it's an open world game with exploration and I never felt like exploration was aimless wandering. On the contrary there's usually something to see or read around all the time. I don't get why people complain about sprites either, this mod looks pretty as fuck and I think it was all made by one guy

UNF

>>5474476
What is this, a status effect?

I fireblued myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59LtExvBc9E
:^)

>>5474559
to be fair this may be the first implementation of a Taurus in Doom

>>5474559
This raises a good question: Why the fuck are there so few shotgun revolvers in Doom mods?

>>5474556
>>5474476

>>5473946
Plutonia

>>5474559
>Screen jerks upward
>1997 shotgun shell WAVs
>Distorted plosive firing sound
Didn't DoomNukem not want Mark using his sprites? Or is that outdated community knowledge?

>>5474574
Why have a shotgun revolver when you can have a shotgun and then also a revolver? It doesn't seem to occupy a useful space mechanically speaking. Otherwise it's functionally a reskinned shotgun with a 5 or so shell magazine, which isn't necessarily bad.

I think that's why it doesn't cross people's minds.

>>5474545
I dunno, man, I love Hedon but character proportions are really off. Needle arms are hard on eyes.

>>5474574
I guess because there aren't that many graphics for them around, and there aren't a lot of them in the real world either.

IRL you have the Pancor Jackhammer (which never went past prototyping), the Armsel Striker (which isn't execellent, but I think it could be inproved), that one expensive Russian hunting shotgun, and then the very retarded Taurus Judge.
A couple of these have been modeled/sprited, but the existing sprites just aren't great.

>>5474586
Cry more pleb

>>5474586
That sound is way older than 1997.

Quake series is inferior to Doom only krauts say otherwise because in their ''country'' Doom was banned so they had to flock to the most similar thing

>>5474641
HUH!

>>5474641
...the fuck? Stop huffing Jenkem, anon.

>>5474586
>Didn't DoomNukem not want Mark using his sprites
I remember something related to Doomguy Warzone (which was based on Brutal Doom), not Mark itself.

>>5474089
is it peer to peer like in the 90s?

So, I'm wondering, which is your favorite texturing style in Doom? As far as the official wads go, there are:
>techbase (E1 style)
>tech-hell (E2 style)
>red and brimstone hell (E3 style)
>marble and wood hell (E4 style)
>starport (Doom 2 techbase)
>urban/industrial
>plutonia

My favorite is the urban/industrial textures, I have a thing for brutalism, it appeals to me. And yours?

>>5474769
I love all of those, but I have a particular fondness for E2 and E3 styles.
Urban and Plutonia is really good too.

Since you love brutalism, if you haven't already done so, then try out Suspended In Dusk.
Never has old dingy concrete bunkers looked so beautiful before.

>>5474769
techbase, also red and brimstone hell
cant decide between those two

>>5474559
Oh my god I want to use it now. I want to explode demons into a shower of gore with a revolver. Please work faster Mark.

There are a lot of cases of "starts strong, ends weak" in terms of wads but what about the opposite? Any examples?

Quake fucking sucked
>bulletsponge enemies
>every level was the same looking brown dungeon
>no boss fights

>>5474858
Scythe series.

>>5474861
I know what day it is, but I think we can all agree that people who bitch about bulletsponge enemies in Quack tried to play it like Doom and didn't realize that the shotguns are essentially sidearms rather than your main damage dealers

>>5474864
nailgun was shit too

>>5474861
>bulletsponge enemies
You're not supposed to be using shotguns most of the time

>every level was the same looking brown dungeon
Can't argue with this. It was the dawn of the 3D era, some compromises had to be made for the game to run well (at the time, the gold standard was 480p 30fps).

>no boss fights
Just play the expansion packs, and you'll get your fill of bosses

>>5474867
It puts shit down faster than the shotgun, that's for sure

I don't know if it's because those levels are easier to navigate or some sort of nostalgia but I swear E1 was better than other episodes in Quake

>>5474861
Here we go again...

>>5474858
Interception is a bit banal and dull for the first couple of maps, but it REALLY picks up. Has some neat gimmicks and setpieces.

Doom: Damnation is a 3 episode replacement for Doom, the first episode is very much babby's first E1, but E2 and E3 are much more well made and creative, kinda like the author improves as he goes along.

can you imagine being a gamer in krautland?
>every fun game was either banned or censored to shit
>disgusting german ''voice acting''
>you can't even pirate without cops unironically knocking at your door

>>5474867
Supernailgun makes my dick hard.

>>5474861
Downvote.

this game shits on Q*ake
>relased year earlier yet graphics look better
>dedicated grenade button
>vehicles
the game was years ahead of it's time

>>5474889
>you can't even pirate without cops unironically knocking at your door
I shit you not, I lived in Germany for a while, and once I got a letter from the internet provider bitching about my torrents and telling me to stop or the service would be cut. I was kinda shocked about the blatant invasion of privacy, who the fuck they thought they were to tell me how should I used my internet? I wasn't doing anything illegal, just torrenting my games as always. I left the country very shortly afterwards.

like this post to free romero from gas station wageslavery

>>5474861
>>bulletsponge enemies
Stop relying on the shotguns.

>>5474896
>jumps on slope
>dies

It just works!

>>5474858
I kinda felt Ancient Aliens started a bit slowly, and doesn't really pick up until map08

>>5474867
you're supposed to combo weapons you fucking nerd that's why the weapon switching is so fast

If you're using just one weapon to kill one enemy you're playing wrong.

Super shotgun is supposed to be used in conjunction with another weapon at all times, even if it's just the normal nailgun. If you're bad at quake it's your damn fault the tools are literally always with you to succeed

Best weapon mod?
Dakka is nice but too overpowered plus it breaks gore mods, and that juicy splatter from a gib is why you use those in the first place
Weapons of Saturn has reloading for some reason and the shotgun is unsatisfying
Combined Arms is too silly for a serious session

>>5474952
if I wanted to combo I would play fucking Tekken fuck you

>>5474952
I just stick to the explosive weapons when I play Quake. The grenade launcher and rocket launcher are pretty much the games workhorse guns and they have the added bonus of gibbing shit.

>>5474889
That chip's size on your shoulder must be astronomical. I bet you are Polish...or a T*rk.

>>5474952
You're kinda right desu.

>>5474959
They're unbelievably satisfying, but Shamblers take half damage from explosives, and that's just no good. The Super Nailgun and Thunderbolt are very necessary weapons at times.
Of course, with a Quad-Damage, that's still a pretty fucking fat hit, even if halved.

Supershotgun is for fending off and kiting angry knights and Fiends that get too close.

>>5474861
use explosives idiot
unless its a shambler
then dont use explosives
idiot

>>5474956
Final Doomer, 64k, Eriguns 1, Dead Marine, Brutal Doom 64, Shooting Monsters With Guns and Doom 64 weapon skins from Smooth Doom.

>>5474905
This image never fails to depress me. He went from living like a rockstar to this.

>>5474979
Brutal Doom 64 is unironically good.

>>5474979
Isn't the current build of Smooth Doom buggy as fuck right now?
To be honest, the Doom 2 weapons with standard damage in Final Doomer are the best choice out of those. Its just a shame they didn't copy the Super Shotgun gibs mechanic.

>>5474905
This inspired me to download GZDoom.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1zFkriq8e1c

>>5474209

>>5474965
Hans still mad he can't play Doom without SWAT on his ass

>>5475029
Graf Faggot is a German though.

>>5474983
lol

>>5475038
who?

>>5475029
I'm not German, buttblasted Pole

>>5475052
GZDoom dev

>>5474858
Chainworm Commando starts pretty weak and generic, then it gets real damn good by the end

>>5475097
Its also in serious need of patching. The red door in map 01 is broken and you can lock yourself in the red key room easily as a result. Same with the Revenant closet in the mansion map.
That final map though

>Joy of Mapping 1-6: existing
>Bethesda: https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/1112701144504119296/photo/1

>>5474983
I know this is April 1st but I still don't understand how that mod won Moddb Best Mod of the year 2016.
Was that year really that bad in terms of mods on Moddb?

The Revenant sprite is literally just Chernabog from Blood without horns and two rocket launchers on his shoulders.

>>5474981
He actually collects vintage gas station dispensers as a hobby. It's odd, I know

>>5475114
Wonderful

>>5475123
the worst part is you never know if people are serious or not with the replies to that pic

>>5475130
It's been kind of a running joke to imply he's down on his luck and working at a gas station, and I think a lot of people know it's a joke, but some don't I think.

>>5474551
>definitely worth visiting art school for this

So, which one is your favorite design in Eternal, so far?

>>5474567
>to be fair this may be the first implementation of a Taurus in Doom
lmao, sure thing

>>5475123
get back to work romero, that oil can display isn't going to polish itself!

>>5473598
>So I'm talking to this guy about working together on a total conversion like the PSX TC but it is level geometry of the PC version. I am really exited at the idea of that but I ask you anons, would you guys be interested in such a thing?
Would you keep the textures?

>>5475224
The shotgun honestly

>>5475303
Some of them. Alot are from Doom2 it seems but there is this common tan brick texture that doesnt really fit the look of the maps.

Doom mapper noob here.

Can anyone explain to me how AI works in relation to sectors?

Like if I shoot do all the enemies inside the sector wake up?


Also - is there a way to make unsupported free-floating catwalks or is that en engine restriction?

Trying to make architecture like pic related

Who needs ZDL when you got BAT?
>@echo off
>START /B gzdoom GMOTA_V1.2.pk3 SCYTHE.WAD
>exit

>>5474240
which mod?

>>5475224
A tie between the classic plasma rifle and the classic green hair zombie making an appearance.

>>5475119
BD is like the only mod most people know

>>5475224
>weapons
tie between the plasma rifle and the rocket launcher
>enemies
mancubi and arachnotron
overall, the art direction sure looks more interesting than 2016's and not just because it reminds you it is a doom game

>>5475343
enemy will hear your fart across the map unless you make certain lines block sound, now those lines dont block all of the sound, only "half" of it, so enemy behind a single of these lines will hear you, but enemy after another one will not
catwalks can be done a number of ways, if you plan of using UDMF instead of doom/hexen format you can just make these as 3D sector so architecture like you posted is absolutely doable

So guys I noticed that some of you were interested enough to ask a few questions about this PC PSX remix idea. Im glad. The only real snag here for me is converting vanilla maps to UDMF for editing. I am yet another mapping noob. What is the best method for UDMF conversion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbqT8ec3ovM

>>5475343
>Like if I shoot do all the enemies inside the sector wake up?
Yes, unless you have them marked as deaf/ambush. Sound can travel through an entire map if areas are not blocked by walls or sound blocking linedefs. Sound propagation mode (click the ear icon) is a huge help, as it lets you see what sounds can be heard by what sectors.

>Also - is there a way to make unsupported free-floating catwalks or is that en engine restriction?
Yeah, this tutorial explains how to do it. Make sure you're in a zdoom mapping format before you start though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rsLrwFlhME

>>5474586
>>1997 shotgun shell WAVs
Eh, it's actually good to use low-quality sounds in these mods, since it fits in better with the original sounds than HQ audio.

>>5475114
Bethesda can't just tweet this and not have id put in a bob ross related secret.

>>5475058
who
>>5475056
who

>>5475381
That's what DooD/DooW/WooD guy did this year? Neat.

>>5475441
You.

Aside from its breaking D4T in some versions, i still don't understand why would you want demon runes in SP

>>5475475
They're fun to use. Just a little change of gameplay
Plus D4T Crucible:Slayer Edition doesn't crash

>>5475224
Definitely this guy.

>>5475508
reminds me of one of the replacements for Demonsteele

>>5475508
Oooh look. It's a torso with guns on a hover thingy, we never had that before...

>>5475119
you may not like it but BD is practically what most people think of when they of doom nowadays.

Looks like I'm gonna need to fap with a new waifu

>>5475527
uh, no?

>>5475119
>The Revenant sprite is literally just Chernabog from Blood without horns
It fits good

>>5475550
lmao

>>5475224
This bad looking hombre.

>>5475508
as cool as it is, at what point does it go from reasonable to contrived for it to be a demon instead of a full on robot
its got one arm and a head left
just replace those too and mass produce it

>>5475119
ModDB is full of kids with horrible taste and limited exposure to different things.

>>5475550
It clashes horrendously. The way enemies are done in Blood gives them a distinct style which really doesn't gel with any of the Doom's styles, or Doom 64s.

>>5475557
> inbefore demon runes come to SP in the form of this guy after beating him

>>5475563
I like how he's got some demon flesh left on him.

>>5475547
With UNDERBOOB AND HEELS

>>5475547
>>5475578
Imagine.

>>5475578
wtf is that outfit supposed to represent? A Thai hooker?!

>>5475583
I think she's suppose to be a succubus or represents the lust players have for the main girl.

>>5475548
Uh yes

>>5475567
Well, BD64 still million times less ugly than regular BD. I've enjoyed it.

>>5475596
Could be better then...that however looks like a Thai slut.

It just needs a dick now.

>>5475527
oh look, it's a thing that throws fireballs. we've never had that before...

>>5475606
Let's ask hege cactus if we can implement it

>>5475578
There's some pretty good r34 of her.

>>5475617
You're going to my filter.

>>5475615
I'm... uh somehow banned from every Doom board/forums that matters...

>>5475649
How were you able to update la tailor girl on zdoom forum did wildweasel really hate it

>>5475624
oh nononononono

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA<div class="like-perk-cnt"><img alt="" src="//s.4cdn.org/image/skeletons/4.gif"></div>

>>5475381
"Someone has made Doom into Final Fantasy 13!"

>>5475381
Straightforward

>>5475381
you can level tell which level is which despite it being a fucking corridor

this is actually really impressive

>>5473936
Switcher-Heretic. A Community Project to remake Heretic levels in Doom 1 is looking for mappers.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105315-community-project-switcher-heretic/

>>5475321

>>5475782
Seems like a cool idea. I'd like to see a project that's Doom levels in Heretic.

>>5475563
>>5475571
i like it, it looks like the demon corrupted the base hovertank thing and kept piling more tech on himself to get more powerful

Ground Zero > Vanilla Quake 2 > The Reckoning

Just generated a ton of oblige maps with different settings and each time it generated this fireblue slop
Can anyone tell me what's going on? Are you telling me these fags programmed oblige to shit itself on April 1st? Using obaddon btw
I'm impressed, a little pissed, but impressed

>>5475851

>>5475856

Now I have the power of Revenant posting, there is no escape.<div class="like-perk-cnt"><img alt="" src="//s.4cdn.org/image/skeletons/23.gif"></div>

>>5475870

Reposting this:
How do I do the BFG grab trick on Perfect Hatred? I'm doing a pistol start on Ultra-Violence and this map is cleaning my clock.

>>5475870
false
> ublock
> enter element zapper mode
> give em the ol zappo
> you do not exist
nobody is safe from the zappo

>>5475782
lol, I remember doing something similar years ago, but Doom's E1M1 in Heretic.
Sadly lost the wad files when moving to new computer. Probably wasn't in one of the folders I copied over.

the d e m o n s
it's all t r u e

It's April now
Is Sigil out yet?
I don't want to get Romero'd again

>>5476034
Romero delayed it again.

>>5475870
Is this what a 4chan Gold account will get me?

>>5476037
Don't say that, anon.<div class="like-perk-cnt">&#x1F641;</div>

Taimanin Asagi doom.

>>5475706
Is this a Moderator or site developer at work?

>>5475940
>Zapper
You mean Plasma rifle?

>>5474925
Was Todd even around in Bethesda pre-2005?

>>5476139
todd IS bethesda you april fool

>>5476139
He designed their Terminator games.

>>5474858
Hedon

>>5476139
Yes, he started working there in like 1995 or so, and worked on Terminator Future Shock and Terminator Skynet.
The games were incredibly ahead of their time and ambitious for 1995 and 1996, with a real 3D world with lots of exploration, real 3D enemies, vehicle sections, Skynet even had FMV sequences, etc.
Of course, they're pretty rough around the edges with some bugs and some janky design, which is par for the course for Bethesda games, but they're not bad, and they're incredibly impressive for their era.

You can actually see a lot of genesis for later Bethesda games in Future Shock and Skynet, in particular for Fallout 3. I think Todd is probably a pretty creative and ambitious person (Morrowind was one of their most creative games conceptually, and Todd had the most creative control on that title), but Bethesda Softworks is Bethesda Softworks, so that's why the games are what they are.
I think if he had a more competent studio to work with, he could make some pretty awe inspiring things, rather than rethread the same sandbox they've done for the past 10 years.

>>5475363
Any chance you can dumb that down just a little more?

I'm REALLY new. Like last week was my first time playing a mod other than Brutal Doom.

Played OG doom at release, but not touched it much since.

Does DoomBuilder export UDMF?

>>5475382
Thank you so much!

>>5476208
You can choose the map format in Doom Builder.

>>5476129
> plasma
> zapper
> not the shaft
do you even 90LG

>>5476212
No prob. Doom mapping is daunting at first, but you'll get the hang of it. Good luck with your map.

Why are pain elementals cooler than cacodemons?

For you mappers that can consider yourself experienced, do you come up with ideas before building the map, or do you have one general vision of what theme you want the map to be, and the idea for layout come as you build, or anything of the sort?

>>5476236
They have arms and a bigger eye.

>>5476225
Well, isn't the Shaft Gun more of a heavy instead of an energy weapon?<span class="fortune" style="color:#0893e1">

Your fortune: You will meet a dark handsome stranger[/spoiler]

>>5476237
I'm not a total veteran or anything (been mapping for like a year), but this is my workflow
>write ideas for progression/encounters/architecture
>sketch out basic layout on paper
>build the basic layout in-editor
>freestyle to fill in the gaps and implement encounters
>playtest along the way
>remove and add areas as necessary
>profit

>>5476252
> the shaft isn't an energy weapon
> the thunderbolt, the lightning gun, isn't an energy weapon

>>5475382
So first thing in the video says that Zdoom doesn't support 3D floors and you need a revision.

I notice the mentioned revisions are from 2016, so can I ignore that directive?

>>5476268
>so can I ignore that directive?
Yes

>>5476284
Alright, next problem : action 160 doesn't exist in the linedefs menu, so it seems like this tutorial is out of date.

>>5476263
Sorry I'm not that familiar with Q3A weapons.

>>5476290
picrel

>>5476295
> only quake 3 had a lightning gun
do you even HUUH

>>5476297
Looks like you didnt choose a map format that supports them, such as UDMF

While we're talking about mapping, should I just start in basic Doom format for my first maps, or is UDMF fine if I actually use those features?

>>5476297
Yeah, what >>5476310 said, just start a new map and make sure you choose a UMDF map format, because it should be there. Check the game configurations under the tools tab if it's not in the default list.

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Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ [/spoiler]

>>5474209
>>5474542
or rather sexy Imp-tan

>>5473935
what is the command or script that i can make enemies or civilians do things the way i want them to do in doom 2 ?
i am creating my own level or map.
how can i get the ai to do what i want them to do is there a guide somewhere ?

>>5474261
what
how the fuck

>>5476363<span class="fortune" style="color:#e7890c">

Your fortune: Good Luck[/spoiler]

>>5474476
I think Fireblu looks tolerable like this. Looks akin to some kind of flames.
Can you make a shader that makes all fireblu textured walls scroll upwards in such fashion?

>>5474542
Anon, that isn't Imptan.

>>5476359
check ZDoom Wiki dummass

do you think ultima underworld maps would play well in doom?

>>5476580
not really
they are meant for claustraphobic dungeoncrawl, not run-n-gun shooting

>>5474209

>>5475649
Good thing you came to shit up this board now

>>5475346
Hedon. It's one of those new age standalone games running on GZDoom

> postal dude in cqde

>>5475624
You're welcome.
>>5476368
The texture shader version makes it scroll in a circular motion.

>>5476761
The point of shader I'm thinking is to make it look like a flame rising up, making it more pleasant to the eye.
Circular motion would make it worse by making the onlooker dizzy instead which is the opposite of the desired effect.

>>5474209
>>5476630
What is that?<div class="like-perk-cnt"><img alt="" width="451" height="75" src="//s.4cdn.org/image/temp/dinosaur.gif"></div>

>>5476745
What is his special ability<div class="like-perk-cnt">&#x1F308;</div>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epncHR4fR5M

>>5476745
>chex quest doom edition

>>5476789
>Circular motion would make it worse by making the onlooker dizzy
That's exactly what I intended

>>5476387
then who is it?

>>5476331
So I did everything according to the tutorial and when I go underneath the platform to raise it there is still nothing there.

>>5477225
I definitely picked UDMF this time.

Any chance I have still not configured something properly, editor related and not tutorial related?

>>5477225
>>5477228
You raise and lower the dummy sector, you dummy. That's why you need it.

>>5476037
How PATHETIC can he get?

One of the reasons why i like old school Doom's designs and aesthetic is because they're simple and colorfull enough, they have some "readibility" that Doom 4 lacked, which is why it goes for some modern trends like a map marker for example.
But on the other hand, Doom 4 represents for how long a power up lasts with a timer in the HUD while OG Doom used color shades on the screen.
These could make it harder to see, specially if you had like both Berserk and Radsuit at the same time, while D4 portrayed these haze effects by only covering borders on the screen and not beyond.
Invulnerability didn't affect the skybox due to some bug, which funny enough it's more tolerable.
D64's take on the Invulsphere was similar to the original one but instead of a black and white effect, you still have colors.
You could also acknowledge of sprites of the Berserk pack and HK are similar to that of the medikit and Baron.
Meanwhile, the Light Amp visors make you see at dark, which makes them feel like an opposite situation, yet GZDoom's default settings turn these simple light "amplifying" visors into night vision goggles.

>>5477232
In the tutorial video the guy goes under the platform in visual mode and raises it, and that is how he instructs it.

Has the method changed since then?

>>5477396
you can do it like that, but if the bottom is touching the lower floor, itll look like just a raised sector
manually raise the control sectors floor

>>5477392
Also, this concept of "readability" is probably why the old HUD worked, because Doomguy looking left and right while bleeding gets your attention a lot more than arrows popping out of nowhere or the screen shaking and turning red.

>>5477396
Read the wikia it literally tells you how to make 3D floors work

>>5477404
Okay - thank you!

DOOMBUILDER wiki, right?

>>5477404
https://zdoom.org/wiki/Sector_Set3dFloor

I found this but it's not exactly a straight tutorial

>>5477409
https://u.teknik.io/N2Prq.wad
its impossible to make it simpler than this

>>5477409
>>5477419

>>5477409
>>5477430
>>5477431
man what the hell, misquoted again

>>5477434
>>5477430
>>5477409

>>5477439
check your tags

>>5477445
im not that anon, i rolled out that wad for him to make it easier to learn.

>>5475508
WELCOME TO THE MESS HALL

what are some good wads for coop?

>>5477539
Pirate Doom is a good laugh.

>>5477539
memento mori series i guess

>>5477621
it's boring as fuck dog shit shilled only by nostalgiafagging boomers and Scythe, Alien Vendetta and that map pack that rips off Sunder shit all over it

>>5477637
Calm down son, it's just a mapset

>>5477637
memento mori has good music fuck you

>>5477637
It's just okay. There are some crappy maps, but some pretty good maps too. Certainly not the absolute masterpiece it's hailed as, its reputation must be largely based on nostalgia.

Im sorry I asked before but legit how do you convert vanilla maps to UDMF? The converter tool doesnt even have a damn readme file. Do I have to put the wads in the folders and activate some hidden batch file? Are the already converted commercial maps already in a archive somewhere? This shits so complicated

>>5477720
that's source code; you want this: http://www.mediafire.com/file/bupoy8gyddzwob4/UDMFConvert.zip

>>5477740
Thank you anon, you are a good man.

Shit wait a minute how does the actual converter work

>>5477764
I used this command line (as an example):
>.\DoomConvert.exe -w E:\doomAndQuake\doom\iwads\doom2.wad MAP01 map01.txt

takes in doom 2 map01, converts it to UDMF, and spits out the TEXTMAP for the map into map01.txt
to use it, make three lumps in slade 3: <map name>, TEXTMAP, and ENDMAP in that order. put the contents of map01.txt (or whatever you called it) into TEXTMAP, and save.
I tried ZDoomConvert at first and it gave me complete garbage, so I don't actually know what that one's for

What do you think of idea of Wolfenstein secret maps in Doom Eternal?

>>5477812
could they get away with portraying nazis in a non nazi focused game?
there's a reason why doom 2's secret levels were changed

>>5477815
I guess so. They might make demonic versions of the The New Order/the New Colossus ones.
It might work. But then again sending the nazis against Doomslayer is like a bunch of kids versus an Apocalypse Tank

>>5477785
Danke.

>>5477828
they could do something "sublte" about it where they have a forced german accent and there's wolfenstein references but no swastikas or hitler
kinda like what some versions of tno did

Also weird that D4T makes the RL fire slower to make it closer to Doom 4 but the pistol fires faster, which i don't think ever happened there.

>>5477880
I'm guessing you never rapid-tapped the pistol in doom 4

>>5477886
it can't pull off 1050 rpm

>>5477903
it can if you believe hard enough

>>5477909
It really chapped my ass how if you button mash with the pistol sometimes it gets all desynched and it'll play the animation but not actually fire. I dislike Doom 4's pistol seeing as uncharged shots are too weak and slow to be of real use, and charging is too cumbersome to use in most fights

>>5477831
dumb amerigoblin LARPing as a german you will never be white

>>5478047
Way to tell everyone about how the last resort weapon is bad.

>>5478119
Reported to Angela Merke herself. Your home is now property of Muhammad

>>5478120
It doesn't have to be. Painkiller had a perfectly serviceable starting weapon. The blaster in unreal could be upgraded into something good, Duke's pistol is reliable, and Shadow warrior's sword is a beast.
Really if they just let us manually switch to the fists it would have been better in Doom 4

>>5478154
I would have liked being able to use the chainsaw in classic sawing mode, rather than being a charged auto glory kill weapon.
I mean, the saw kills are pretty fucking cool, but I miss the sheer might of the chainsaw from Doom 3.

>>5478154
Idk, punishing the player for missing too many shots and running out of ammo sounds like pretty good design.
Besides, if you're at least even half decent, you probably won't run out anyway.

>>5478154
Doom's weapon balance would be perfected if the Chaingun was replaced with dual pistols that functioned identically.

>>5478167
Leaving the player completely defenseless is shit though. Even the original Doom let you punch shit, it was mostly useless without berserk but it was still there.
The snapmap mode let you switch to fists, so this is why I'm so confused as to why they gave the player that pistol, it seems to go against the core focus of Doom 4 about charging head first and risking your ass for the promise of extra health and ammo.

>>5478173
I thought about that, though wouldn't that just be a simple reskin? I think the original Doom pistol would be fine if it had its own ammo pool and either shot faster or hit harder, preferably hit harder to further separate it from the chaingun

help

>>5478191
>Leaving the player defenseless is completely shit
>Even the original Doom let you punch shit
>fists are even worse than the pistol because the range is only marginally better than the melees of demons

>>5478191
It would be a simple reskin, but it would give the illusion of your pistol being more useful than it really is.

>>5478209
Also, the pistol is a good punishment because it forces you to play a shit version of the game for being bad at it.

>>5478215
And what about pistol starts? Also you can't use the pistol if you drain the ammo off from the chaingun.

>>5478212
I'd prefer an actual mechanical difference instead of just a visual trick

>>5478119
>>5478126
TO HELL WITH (((ANGELA MERKEL))) and her NPC lackeys! DEATH TO THE EU!

>>5478230
>Also you can't use the pistol if you drain the ammo off from the chaingun.
???
Also, pistol starts aren't quite the same because Doom's pistol still has an ammo pool, while Doom 4's doesn't. And again, the pistol is a punishment for being so bad at the game that you run out of ammo.

>>5478238
Ah you're talking about in Doom 4, I'm looking from both Doom and Doom 4's standpoint. My bad.
I agree that ammo is very rarely a problem in Doom 4, especially with the grenade subweapons, which is why I think just being able to select the fists and deliver faster melee attacks than the default gunbutt move would be ideal, that would mean in the unlikely event you run out of ammo you're gonna have to play really aggressive to get some ammo again to keep the flow going.
I wonder what they're gonna do for Eternal? The flamethrower seems to work as a stun and DoT thing, there's the big fuck off sword too, I hope that's not a one and done tool like the chainsaw is

>>5478274
I too want to be able to wield the Crucible like some kind of extra-angry ball of armored death.
Also, name one game in which the chainsaw and pistol share an ammo pool.

>>5478290
I think we're getting mixed up, anon. I was talking about how the chaingun and pistol share ammo in Doom 1 and 2 earlier.
Glad to see we're on the same page about the Crucible though, Doomslayer's version of it looks rad

playing a 94 wad and im tapping every other wall assuming its a secret when its just shit alignment. fun wad

Do you think there's no assault rifles in the OG Doom universe due to BJ stealing the Venom Gun blueprints, causing any and all automatic firearms to be rotary based from then on?

>>5474352
Joshy has clarified that it's not a joke.

>>5478360
That hinges on how canon you find Wolfenstein with Doom, which I kind of never did.

The Venom Gun is more of a support weapon than an infantry rifle, given the weight and the bother with linked belts, also obviously the chaingun in Doom doesn't have even a quarter of the sheer firepower, and if you actually stop and think about the thing (which you aren't supposed to, because the thing really just looks the way it does to appear more interesting, and to be more distinct visually from other weapons), it's actually nonsense.

Six barrels and actions taking turns to fire in sequence is a great idea for a stationary or vehicle mounted weapon which might have to fire a lot of long bursts at high RPM, the gun will build up heat one sixth as fast as a conventional gun with one action and one barrel, and can have a very very high rate of fire (important for aerial combat, due to the short window of time you have for the high speed targets). It's a lot heavier, but you're not actually going to carry it, so that's ok.
Doom's chaingun fires at a pretty slow rate, I'll ballpark it as about 500-600rpm, so 100rpm per barrel, it'll obviously take a long time to heat up, so there's that, but in what situation does it make sense to just lay down sustained fire for a really long period of time? If it was a support weapon, like a proper machinegun, being able to fire a lot without having to worry about heat would be a neat, but for good suppressive fire, you'd probably want something much more potent than what appears to be a pretty average pistol cartridge (as it seems to do the same impotent damage as the pistol).
A cartridge like 5.56mm NATO has the same weight as a 9mm Luger cartridge, but has much more energy, so we can extrapolate that for the weight of Doom's pistol cartridge, you could have a more powerful rifle cartridge instead, which would be both better at killing things dead, and better at making people go "Oh shit!" and stay behind cover.

>>5478414
So to conclude, Doom's chaingun is stupidly large, heavy, and not to talk about likely very expensive, for really no actually good reason.
In terms of practical performance, it's the submachinegun counterpart to the pistol. Obviously, it doesn't make any sense, but that doesn't matter.

I don't think they thought much at any point about what exact realistic role each weapon would fill, just the roles they'd fill for not very realistic action game.
I think if you wanted to ponder things like that, the old novels were the first time the franchise ever went into detail and put thought into the subject, and that's still just barely.

>>5478204
It keeps happening
Please I just want to play some hexen
Can't even get past the first map because it crashes right there every single time

>>5478498
Fuck it I'll just download chocolate hexen

>>5478502
>>5478498
>>5478204
disable your skins folder

>>5478521
How? I don't even have a skins folder.

>>5478360
What guns zombies are using.

>>5478204
What GZdoom version are you running?

>>5478594
elongated pistols

Played through Doom and Doom 2 and a few Build engine games and it's great. Now I'm playing through Quake and I'm on episode 1 and I don't see the appeal. Why is Quake considered as good or better than Doom by so many? The secrets everywhere are cool, but the levels all look basically the same and it's nowhere near as fun as Doom. Why the incredible praise?
This isn't bait.

>>5478919
There were four level-designers, and their respective level sets look pretty much nothing alike.

Also, playing in software instead of GLQuake-based renderers, does additionally help to distinguish things.

>>5478956
>look and play out

New Aleph One build fixed the mouse controls, lads

>>5478956
I was using Quakespasm. I mean it's ok. It's kind of fun but if Dusk, for example, were actually lightweight and didn't run on Unity, I would actually consider it a better game.

I just don't understand how people think Quake is better than Doom. It HAS to be the multiplayer.

>>5478919
I like Quake more than Doom because of the movement, the use of vertical spaces, the instant weapon switching, and the rocket launcher being the primary weapon

I also like that user maps for Quake tend to be one-offs.

>>5478969
The rocket launcher primary weapon is hard for me to get used to, but I agree the instant weapon switching is fantastic.

>>5478965
>I just don't understand how people think Quake is better than Doom. It HAS to be the multiplayer.
I prefer quake's movement and the aesthetic. Dooms good (im not a hater) but i like quake more. Also, the "looks the same" brush can just as suitably tar doom, i don't understand why people think quake is monochromatic and doom is some kind of rainbow. Sure, techbase theme in both games is basically shades of brown...
Lastly, your assumption
>Quake considered as good or better than Doom by so many
is wrong IMO. Plenty of people prefer Doom, and it has more user created content. After all, you're posting in what is usually /doom/ general.

I like Quake more than Doom because of the movement, the use of vertical space, the instant weapon switching, the rocket launcher being the primary weapon, and the atmosphere.

I also like that Quake's user maps tend to be one-offs.

>>5478974
Why did this post twice?

>>5478973
Doom has lots of blues and greens everywhere, and admittedly a shitload of red. Quake just "feels" mostly brown. I agree with you on Quake's movement though. Now that I think about it all I'm really complaining about is the environments. The actual gameplay and even the small platforming in it is great. I'm starting to get it now that I think about it more.

>>5478981
Quake also has blues, greens and reds, though in general it is darker and less saturated color - perhaps that's why some people perceive it as colorless (or "brown"). Eg, the medieval texture set is mostly red colors, and the ep 4 textures are mostly blues.
Incidentally, this is part of the reason i often prefer quake's aesthetic (both textures, lighting and geometry) - i really like how the clash of various styles and time periods blend together in an other-worldly and haunting darkness.

Just played quake SM172_ORBS and that was a pretty awesome unique experience (for me so far). Explosive-barrel jumping across a course with a pentagram was bloody fun - anybody know other maps like this?

>>5478608
3.7.2

>>5474896
I really want the weapon sprites for Skynet/Future Shock, I wanna use them in a project at some point.
>Holding an M1 Browning by the heat shield
what a lad.

>>5479167
Right here, Broseph: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=29981

>>5475825
That is an interesting take, shobo.

>>5476630
Theeque.

something i noticed about the cleric is that unlike the other classes in hexen, he barely shows skin so in an alternate timeline where his bicep wasn't shown in his melee attack, we could have had headcanon fanart of him as a femboy

>>5473935
I'd love a Quake 1 and 2 crossover mod someday.

>>5479296

>>5479296
It'd fit, considering how much exercise he probably gets.

>>5479312
There's a Quake 2 singleplayer map called Sonic Mayhem that has a section where you revisit Quake 1's world.

>>5477419
>>5477430
>>5477431
>>5477434
>>5477439
>>5477445
>>5477459


Hey - thanks for your effort.
So here's da thing!

I got it to work, but I would really like to be able to visualize it IN doombuilder. is that possible or do I just have to keep testing the map to see placemernt?

>>5479429

>>5479429
use gzdoom builder

I did not expect Doom Eternal XP to be so much fun. The way it combines Vanilla + Eternal items(so far) it's great.
But a part of me wants this to be a D4T addon.

>>5479416
I want to see this.

Doomguy looks like he has 4 eyes in this sprite from the PSX head explotion animation.

>>5479504
>acknowledging the existence of MDK
>also putting it into Doom
Absolute madman

>>5479504
>target a c q u i r e d

>>5478962
what version is it at now 1.3?

>>5478981
I think quake palette is great.
It is certainly not colorful, purposefully so, but its colors are still deep and vibrant. Just compare quake1 with quake2 and it is immediately evident how much more washed out the latter is (it is like that to emphasize the colored lighting, but it still looks like shit to me).

>>5477884
nice half-assed doodle.

>>5477884
the smirk

>>5478965
I dont understand all the love for Dusk. The sound design and animations are so crappy, the weapons don't feel satisfying. Amid Evil is superior in pretty much every department except humor/memes. And Quake is better than both.

>>5479675
I think the worst part is the level design. It's so overhyped. I've seen 90s doomwads with more creativity and better lvl design than DUSK

>>5479504

when is that BR ape nigger gonna release BDv21 campaign?

>>5479692

>run D44M weapons
>run D44M OST
>mfw


Too much fun.

>>5479692
a. He's whiter and smarter than you
b. From what I understand the next version will be the final release

>>5479675
Same. I didn't really like Dusk.

>>5479680
>>5479504
now this is something

>>5479504
>>5479680
Probably plays like shit because you need levels designed for Kurt's abilities

>>5479296
(You)

>>5479809
Not if you try to adapt his weaponry to Doom.

>>5473935
I'm not sure about posting this here but anyway:
https://twitter.com/ProdeusGame/status/1113483479206060032
Eviternity's mapfag has joined Prodeus, a retro-FPS with modern tech

what console commands should I use to make quake look like the dos version?

>>5479692
>>5479697
>>5479748
lol

>>5479910
hape eostre

>>5479296
>we could have had headcanon fanart of him as a femboy
I hate people like you.

>>5479296
Based

>>5479680

>>5479985
>tfw shiny is fucking dead

>>5479876
try using a low resolution

>>5479876
fov "110"
r_particles "2"
fog "0.02" "0.8" "0.6" "0.4"
gl_texturemode "3"
crosshair "1"
r_wateralpha "0.4"
r_slimealpha "0.8"
r_lavaalpha "1"
r_telealpha "0.6"
r_shadow "1"
v_idlescale "0.5"
r_viewmodel_quake "1"
gl_flashblend "0" //to disable light globes around the light sources
gl_ztrick "0" //to disable distant objects flickering
gl_keeptjunctions "1" //to remove white dots on the polygons edges
gl_overbright 1
gl_overbright_models 1
v_gunkick 2
r_lerpmodels 0

Started playing blood. Playing on well done. Beat the 1st chapter after a few hours. Very enjoyable, but my gameplay is either peeking and strafing back into cover or just strafing around and running into enemies (and killing them). There's no real happy medium. The cultists are initially frustrating, but they have terrible AI and aren't deserving of their reputation. With all the secrets and life essences, the game is quite easy to complete (so far)

>>5480087
You must master throwing bombs to really get those pesky cultists

>>5479227
Thanks, Hombre.

>>5480073
>translucent liquids
>fog
>>look like the dos version

Started playing Eviternity on UV. Shit's stressful and difficult, but the music bangs. Good stuff.

>>5480073
late reply but thanks mate
>>5480087
remember to crouch, that'll help you a lot
>>5480105
what do I change?

W/S - forward/back
A/D - turn
Left/Right Arrows - strafe
Up Arrow - shoot

>>5480110
You can use mouse and keyboard at the same time, anon. Literally no one gives a shit.

>>5480116
what if you can only use one hand?

>>5480118
Are you playing H-Doom?

>>5480126
not yet

>>5480118
That might actually be intersting
Some binds I just sort of shat out:
WASD for move
Q/E for turn
Shift to shoot

>>5480118
enable mouse movement
left mouse: shoot
right mouse: use
middle mouse: lookstrafe
mousewheel: weapons

if you don't play doom like this, you're officially a big ol' weenie

>>5479593
1.3b3

>>5473935
I wonder if the Build engine and XnGine can properly have rooms be right on top of each other.

>>5480116
Shooters that weren't designed with both axis aim in mind feel clunky with mouse. Like someone ported Doom assets into Garry's Mod.

>>5480175
I play with mouse and keyboard all the time. It just takes getting used to.

>>5477884
>when she sees your chainsaw

>>5480175
Doom was made with mice in mind just not 'mouselook' which is why it should be off by default but have Z bound to mouselook so you can just do it sometimes

>>5480165
Build can have rooms on top of eachother, but only if they cant be seen at the same time.

>>5480175
I don't agree.

>>5480210
>Quake was made with mice in mind
FTFY

>>5480210
IMO it's fine if you don't break sequence in vanilla and vanilla + maps.

new vanilla editing trick: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/105364-did-you-know-you-can-make-a-voodoo-conveyor-belt-in-vanilla-doom/

functionally a boom "conveyor belt" that works in vanilla doom. now all doom levels can have gated multi stage arena battles!

>>5480438

>>5480438
It's cool to see new tricks being made more than 25 years after release. Would be neat to see a new speedmapping contest utilizing this.

>>5480438
>Graf getting salty as hell at someone even THINKING about making this work in GZDoom
>Edward telling him to shut up
Business as usual

>>5480572
But does Ed still swear by his P2P netcode?

HUH

zoomer here, what's exactly wrong with Duke 20th Anniversary World Tour?

>>5480668
Duke sounds depressed and there's no Life's a Beach.

>>5480668
sound quality being dogshit

>>5480670
>>5480672
thanks, I wasn't going to buy it anyway since it doesnt come with the Caribbean expansion and since there's a nice free download in the op

but it's good to know gearbox fucked up something yet again

Easter bunny stimpack

>>5480572
Man, you can really tell that Graf hates the fact that GZDoom isn't the only thing the community uses for playing doom.
I swear I remember he made a rant back in 2011 or something about mappers mapping for vanilla again.

>>5479159
https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/gzdoom/
Try one of these here

>>5477637
>that map pack that rips off Sunder
You can't expect the average anon to read into the angry mess of your brain and know what you mean.

>>5477637
kys kiddo

>>5480770
He probably means Sunlust.

>>5480678
The other guys are right, HOWEVER, the new episode isn't bad, it has a couple of really good maps.
Steal it if you have to.

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but Impie made a Robocop wad
https://mikestoybox.net/2019/03/31/robocop-doom/

>>5480648
HUH
HUH
HUH
HUH
HUH
*crack* UUURGH

>>5480971
Oh that's cool. I'm kinda disappointed that there's no RoboCain

>>5474956
how does dakka break gore mods?

>>5481028
it uses +EXTREMEDEATH, which some gore mods don't handle well