/vr/ - Retro Games

JA2 > UFO:EU

Deal with it, nerd.

>>5463526
This is true. I have played all the sequels but keeps returning to the original enemy unknown.

>>5463546
JA2's strategy layer is pathetic

>>5463526
never played this one , is it full of artificial difficulty ?

>>5464872
Only if you've read up on how to cheese the AI with specific high stat mercs.

Concept art aliens.

>>5463526
Played there when I was younger. Nowadays I'm not scared of aliens.

Has anyone played final modpack? Is it good?

>>5463526
Playing it for the first time, really enjoying it. Firm but fair, so when you figure something out - how to avoid mind control, how to mind control for yourself, kind of thing - it feels genuinely rewarding.

Any tips for preventing a country being infiltrated? I pretty much have the globe covered in decoders, and I've shot down half a dozen floater craft over the US on infiltration missions, but the same thing happened over India a few months ago, and at the end of the month, they'd turned...

>>5465551

>>5464918
The only fake difficulty in XCOM is aliens' immunity to nighttime and their advantageous line-of-sight for detecting agents around corners.

Pic related is squares, marked X, where agents can be shot-at by unseen aliens standing on the arrow squares of the corresponding color

>>5466289
There is no legit way to prevent infiltration. You can delay it for many weeks by shooting down the ships, but eventually a battleship will enter the atmosphere in the mission sequence, in spite of delays, and the infiltration will instantly complete.

New alien missions are rolled at 12am when the month changes, the only way to prevent infiltration is to prevent the mission from being rolled by reading the hidden data and save-scumming.

>>5465913
Final Modpack makes the game a lot longer with the high level research being unlocked with captured alien leaders. It adds a few more alien races and a whole bunch of new equipment and weapons.

All in all, I prefer it over the other major mods available since it's difficulty and gameplay is comparable to vanilla without getting too over the top or too grindy, like X-Com Files.

Things I don't like are certain weapons techs, for instance, you research cannons first and work your way down to pistols, which means you will never use the pistol variants of most weapon techs, because, why would you when you can build rifles and heavies? It gets a lot easier as well in the late game because the alien's equipment doesn't scale over time (They'll always have a spread of pistols/rifles/heavies depending on the mission).

Play X-Piratez.

>>5468458
>It adds a few more alien races
Is there a list somewhere?

I really need to try a run of this with a focus on actually using mind power stuff. Normally by the time I get access to it I already have a squad of monsters and the avenger ready to go for the ending. Would have to stall intentionally while waiting for the psi lab to finish building then put a batch of soldiers through testing. Probably my own fault for never capturing live aliens before getting those stun launchers.

Why wasn't the cover alien in the game?

There's a mod to replace the music with the remakes from the XCOM Legacy soundtrack

https://openxcom.org/download/extras/XCOM_Legacy_Music.zip

i heard there are like 3 x-com games, EU, Terror from the deep, and something else. Where should i start? Should i install patches or just play vanilla? And how do i get started, do i need to read the game's manual?

>>5469648
Play vanilla on OpenXcom first.

>>5469059

>>5469059
Microprose US didn't like the illustration.

>>5469709
which of them? Enemy Unknown?

>>5470075
Yes.

>>5463526
People think strategy is all about how simply moving units around and besting another player. Yet at its core, it isn't, its about dealing with uncertainty. Thats why the best strategy games have significant random elements, to create uncertainty. Panzer General (with Fantasy general), Steel Panthers, Atomic's V for Victory series, are the best examples. Most of the games people cite as "good strategy games" actually aren't strategy games at all. Chess is not a good "strategy game" neither is X-Com, starcraft or most RTS. They have their own strategy elements, but not games that require good understandings of probabilities and their effects on planning..

>>5470932
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_game

>>5470932
>x-com has no random elements
>chess isn't strategy

>>5466991

>>5470932
How the fuck does Panzer General have more random elements than X-Com?

>>5467045
Thanks anon. Sucks there's no way of stopping it, but I guess it's probably to keep the sense of urgency going - I'm getting to the point where even battleships aren't really a worry. Still won't go near an ethereal terror ship, though.

>>5471770
Higher degree of forecasting, not random elements.

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>>5471870
Despite the battleships landing in the US, the base ended up in Mexico? And it was full of floaters - it's like the game was just asking me to just end it. Pillaged the floater battleships too.

bamp

what a retarded april fools

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>>5463526
>strategy game
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>>5476651
It's both.

>>5463526
Night missions were very tense and I loved it for being so atmospheric even after all these years.

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>>5477136
Fuck Mutons desu

>>5477136
Hahhhhahhh.

Favourite alien?
Least favourite?
Favourite weapon?
Favourite music track?
Favourite craft?
Favourite mod?

>>5463526
master of magic, panzer general, lords of the realm, and colonization came out the same year tho

>>5479705
>favourite weapon
Laser cannon

>>5468472
It's literally the only way I've ever played old X-Com. I had no interest until someone added titties, then I'm in.

The Android port of OpenXcom Extended works surprisingly well, I finally got a reason to lug my phone around.

>>5480745
Sad

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I miss these games. But i also remember my friends looking at me weird for playing pc games.

>>5463526
Xenonauts comes pretty close, mainly because it's mostly a clone with some slight changes here and there. Main thing I like about it is that the lore seems like it makes more sense than X-Com's for the most part.

>>5481589
t. buttblasted zoomer

Anyone else disappointed by weapon choices?
You get a nice variety to begin with, but they're VERY quickly made obsolete.
You could skip laser research to get plasma straight away.
Once you have plasma researched, there is little reason to build or use other weapons.
You get so many weapons as loot, you don't need to build more.
Endgame blaster is ridiculously powerful and makes tactics less important, as you could blast everything away, or get your squad wiped by the enemy.
No snipers, no heavy machine guns, no submachine guns, no shotguns, no flamethrowers, no mortars, no grenade launchers, no anti-materiel rifle. For most of the game, you're mostly using rifles or cannons of the laser or plasma varieties. No upgrades for autocannons or rockets.
I believe the developers squandered the excellent combat system by not adding a huge variety of weaponry. Mods provide relief in this regard.

>>5481668
How the hell did anything I say sound even remotely buttblasted? I enjoy both classic X-com and Xenonauts. I just feel that the lore for Xenonauts makes it feel more believable. For example, if I remember correctly there's no real reason given why X-Com operatives can't use alien weapons before researching them. In Xenonauts you can pick up alien weapons on the field and use them but your soldiers' accuracy with them will be laughable due to the fact that their designs make them awkward for humans to handle and aim, therefore it's necessary to research them in order to make models that humans can properly wield. It just seems like it makes more sense from a lore perspective.

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>>5463526
Sorry for asking weird-ass questions, but what is the "X-COM" typeface called?

>>5479705
>Favourite alien?
Chryssalid due to how many fun memories it will create for you as a noob, the design and how it does more than just the standard pewpew-mechanic most other enemies follow. It's easy to deal with as a veteran player, but you still get tense remembering all the zombie horde clusterfucks they created for you when you were a noob, and if you fuck up they can still snowball into a clusterfuck for you
>Least favourite?
Sectoid commanders and Ethereals. I don't really mind the psi-war-escalation since it shakes things up a bit and makes things more difficult, but it still feels cheap every time you loose a man to psi-attacks
>Favourite weapon?
Laser rifle all the way baby, a bit weak but I love not having to reload

>>5481589
I thought Xenonauts was extremely bland compared to the original, I see no reason to play it over the other ones unless you MUST have more Xcom and you've played the original trilogy plus the new Hollywood-remakes

What is the best mod for X-COM?

>>5463526
XCOM2 WOTC says hi.

>>5484636
(you)

>>5484639
No argument, as expected.

>>5484636
zoomer

>>5484642
Been playing XCOM since the first one came out.

>>5464918
the world's nations are about as spastic and stupid as civ 3, which makes getting resources kind of hard if you don't want to spam alien weapon production. it feels like a broken mechanic but the fact they are willing to pay so much for alien tech offsets it. it's like two imbalanced mechanics accidentally balanced each other out.

aliens have the ability to sense targets around corners, whether that's intentional or not i don't know, but it gets annoying getting ambushed around corners.

>>5463526
How the FUCK do I stop getting base invaded on superhuman?
It's happened 4 fucking times within the first couple of months.

>>5485050
don't worry.
it's not game over even if no country support you.
you can make more money by selling stuff you get from aliens and production from workshops.

>>5485087
I don't think you understand, I get invaded in the second fucking month when I don't even have laser weapons ready, my soldiers can't aim rockets properly, grenades are useless, HE is a death sentence and they have a fucking commander MC my soldiers.

>>5463526
>How is there still no better strategy game than UFO: Enemy Unknown?

50 thousand delta force games

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>>5463526
I never played any of the Xcom games. I should give them a try.

>>5488274
keep me posted

>>5485050
It's purely random, I'm not sure if it's bug or it's intended but first ufo that spawns when you start the game can have "alien retaliation" mission, so a small ufo is sent to find your base so if you're lucky you can shoot it down before it does, but if it does find you a battleship with sectoids will come in and unless you savescum you pretty much cannot win. But you don't really need lasers or any gear, just hire lots of soldiers on day 1 and through pure numbers you should be able to win, any base defense past first in game week or so is totally winnable.

>>5479705
>Favourite alien?
Sectoid, simply in the moment you see one and realize it was watching you with eyes darker than the night around it
>Least favourite?
Floaters, no use for these pink faggots that crowd out the other ayyys
Favourite weapon?
Laser rifle, automatic energy weapon with unlimited ammo kek

>>5476651
Same game. The distinction was expressly made by Dune 2 babbies too retarded to wrap their heads around a game that isn't built around the same skeleton.

>>5481720
If you want a retardedly huge weapon variety, try X-Piratez. Just wait for the new version first, since Dioxine has been a bit too busy adding new stuff, and not busy enough bug-proofing the stuff already in.

>>5479705
>Favourite alien?
Chryssalid; getting jumped by one while raiding a downed terror ship was equally horrifying and hilarious. They also make a really satisfying noise when they die.
>Favourite weapon?
Psi-amp. Mind controlling sectoids after dreading seeing my own troops succumb to it felt like a huge turning point.

Anyone play into the breach? It's new, not retro but has pixel graphics and it's a great SRPG with roguelike elements. Try it, it runs on everything and it's actually really hard.

>>5468472
>>5489427
>X-Piratez
What the shitting FUCK

wat

>playing OpenXCom
>saving occasionally, but not savescumming
>just finish clearing alien base in Africa
>suddenly there's 4-5 UFOs buzzing around my main base in NA
>send out ships and start blasting them out of the sky
>everyone is getting promotions today
>go blast some snekmen that I shot out of sky
>suddenly OpenXCom crashes
Don't get me wrong, I like what OpenXCom adds, but it's not that hard to make something stable. The MAME team manages to pull it off, and they aren't doing a single game.

>>5490006
x-piratez is unironically great and campaign lasts like 400 hours of gameplay

>>5479705
>Favourite alien?
lobsterman, tough but not unfair and extremely satisfying death sound
>Least favourite?
chryssalid, while it is the usual meme alien I dislike it because it forces certain style of gameplay such as creeping slowly with full TUs for reaction fire while you're on the ground and flying suits make them completely harmless and obsolete, they did better job with tentaculats in tftd desu
>Favourite weapon?
thermal lances in tftd
>Favourite music track?
tftd terror site music
>Favourite craft?
I like lightning because it's just so funky
>Favourite mod?
I only really got into x-piratez, xcom files and final mod pack just didn't get me as interested, honorable mention for long war but that's for firaxiscom

>>5490556
TFTD is a lazy reskin and sucks man ass

>>5490563
you may not like it but TFTD is a superior game in almost every way, calling it a reskin is rather ignorant and you probably didn't even play it

>>5490565
played it when it came out, hated it. first is better in every possible way imaginable.

>>5490607
I played both and I like both and I believe that TFTD is a superior game, I get it that it's an unpopular opinion but that's the way it is.

>>5490186
Which mod?

>>5477136
Psi is broken as fuck.

>>5490627
openxcom mods came up with various interesting ways to limit how powerful psi is, for example in piratez psi amp is limited to a special armor which offers basically no protection and the chance to mind control goes down with range so you can't just mc things from the safety of your aircraft or x-com files introduced skulljacks which only work from melee range but have very high chance of success so psi cannot be the only weapon but the utility is still great and much more fun and satisfying to pull off correctly

>>5490615
well, your opinions are shit

>>5490623
Area 51

>>5481720
The unmodded game doesn't really utilize the damage type system well and the air combat balancing is pretty questionable too.

Any sort of tips in regards to the first few months? Got through January and my approval is in the shitter.

>>5492572
assuming you mean ufo: eu, research and manufacture laser rifles for everyone and hire lots of troops, in your base build large radar, alien containment extra storage and living quarters as soon as possible, don't ignore terror sites because that an instant penalty of 1000 points even if you can't do it, go there land and evac immediately that costs a lot less points, don't do night missions unless you absolutely have to and your troops should end their turn somewhere in cover or be somewhere to break line of sight with aliens, the rocket launcher tank can be a lot of help early on and don't worry about game kicking your ass when you're new to the game it's normal

>>5490635
I played Area 51 but never found that superman.
How do you get it?