/vr/ - Retro Games

Not at all. The supply is finite and is indeed growing in value at a slow, steady rate. You can point to much more faddy things which were collected which were far more irrational; beanie babies, cabbage patch kids, tulips...

>>5459760
No that would be beanie babies

>>5459786
>>5459791
Ok, it might not be the best, but it's still a very good one.
That someone would unironically believe this
>indeed growing in value at a slow, steady rate.
surely is proof enough.

>>5459827
Just look up literally any retro game at pricecharting.

>>5459786
How are beanie babies less rational than video games? Beanie babies will actually last thousands of years, video game equipment will soon die.

>>5459838
Ok, done. Both of these seem to have plateau'd about 2 years ago. The N64 meme is going strong right now, but I think it'll suffer the same fate eventually, and by then we'll probably be seeing some serious downtrend on those NES and SNES charts, and they'll eventually go the way of the Atari. So wanna tell me again how this doesn't line up with the sunk cost fallacy?

>>5459873
Because the cost isn't sinking?

>>5459873
I don't think sunk cost fallacy has anything to do with what you're arguing here.

>>5459875
Not sinking =/= growing in value at a slow, steady rate
>>5459878
I think it does though.
Sunk cost fallacy:
>The Misconception: You make rational decisions based on the future value of objects, investments and experiences.
Buying retro games is a good investment and will have great future value(ie: The supply is finite and is indeed growing in value at a slow, steady rate.)
>The Truth: Your decisions are tainted by the emotional investments you accumulate, and the more you invest in something the harder it becomes to abandon it.
It's all nostalgia and "I'm only missing x amount of games for my full set, might as well keep going"

>>5459873
>prices tripling in the span of a few years is “slow, steady growth”
hoarders btfo, just wait till the masses find out retro circuit boards are ticking timebombs and FPGAs get popular

>>5459760
The problem is these games aren't really selling at the costs people are asking. You can ask 800 bucks for Panzer Dragoon Saga all you want but your copy is just gonna sit on ebay till some other scalper thinks he can get a grand

>>5459894
Sunk cost fallacy would be if at a hypothetical future date when retro game prices have already crashed hard and someone kept investing in them for the sole reason that they had already invested heavily in them up to that point. That's not at all what's happening here so it literally has nothing to do with anything you're saying.

>>5459901
And even if the prices were to fucking plummet, then that would just mean one could finish the rest of their collection on the cheap. I mean this fallacy OP is trying to pedal only applies if you're treating a collection as an investment to sell later on. It just isn't relevant if you're collecting just for the sake of having a collection.

>>5459918
>I mean this fallacy OP is trying to pedal only applies if you're treating a collection as an investment to sell later on. It just isn't relevant if you're collecting just for the sake of having a collection.
Actually, it applies even more if you're collecting for the sake of collecting. The fallacy is "mistakenly assuming people make spending decisions rationally, when in fact they actually use their feelings". That's retro game collecting for collecting's sake to a tee, so thanks for proving my point.

>>5459868
>mom collected beanie babies
>mcdonalds had a beanie babies promotion
>mom goes to all the mcdonalds' in town and buys happy meals to get the promotional beanie babies
>I ate nothing but hamburgers and fries for a few months
>tfw gained 20 pounds over the summer\

Those beanie babies are worth fucking nothing now. thank you, chinese knockoffs. Same thing is happening/will happen with retro games.

>>5459936
Well no, your point was to say game collecting was the most egregious example, which you already admitted it wasn't >>5459827
So question answered: No. this thread can die now.

>>5459760
The problem with retro collecting is, everything you see in that image will be dead in 20-60 years. YES, even the carts and systems, due to component failures causing voltage flux resulting in damage to various chips.

>>5459950
>>tfw gained 20 pounds over the summer\

it's called exercise, tubbo.

>>5459959
*Source: My ass

>>5459967
Elementary electrical engineering. The components used to manufacture consumer game hardware are low-cost mass-produced junk, so consumers could afford the shit. The price you pay for playing vidya outside of an arcade is shitty materials and engineering. The things weren't built to last, and as caps start blowing and losing efficiency and resistors and regulators slowly break down, power fluctuation will cause damage to the microtransistors, registers, and buses inside of ICs. Physics is a cunt.

>>5459963
this was in 1997 or so when I was 16, so my metabolism was basically a fucking furnace. problem is when you eat 10 happy meals a day it is just too many calories to burn. Although i'm 260lb now so you're probably right.

>>5459958
lololol ok mister I get to define when a thread lives and dies

>>5459979
>10 happy meals a day
I eat mcdonald's and I have to take a shit within minutes. You must have been shitting constantly, like eating them while sitting on the toilet and taking one long shit.

It has some elements of it but I feel like it'll never hit that level because, unless you're that sort of faggot who doesn't open games, at the end of the day it's still usable software and that will always hold some sort of value.

>>5459959
What the fuck is wrong with niggers

>>5459959
Deep down people only collect to decorate their shelves, if the games stop working it's be relatively unimportant.

>>5460558
I collect so I can enjoy games in their original format and share that enjoyment with friends.

But you're totally right that there's no real need for the discs themselves to last forever. Since every 90s console at this point has some low cost way to either load games via SD card, play burned discs, or provides the option to just stick an everdrive in there.

>>5459959
They should incorporate more flux capacitors then, Marty

I feel like it depends how you think about. Most things we buy are not an investment. Of you collect games because you truly enjoy doing that then I see nothing wrong with it. If you're in it for the money then you might be disappointed. I don't really collect that much but my friend does and He seems to enjoy it.

>>5459959
lol

Isn't sunk cost fallacy is like if you buy a game, realize it's shit but instead of buying another, good game, you force yourself to play it anyway because you "already spend money on it"?

>>5459760
There is no such thing as a "sunk cost" in collecting. You do it for fun because you enjoy it. It only becomes a loss at times if you are a reseller. I've bought movies and music the multiplied in price, but I'm not looking to sell until I'm an old man.

>>5461513
yup, OP hasn't the slightest clue what he's talking about, he's just larping as a smart person making an interesting point.

He could say the same thing about every single fucking thing in existence to hobbyists or collectors of it.

>>5459760
I don't think so, but even if they lost value, I wouldn't care. I only have ~20 Gameboy/Color/Advance games, ~30ish PS1, ~30 PS2, ~20 SNES. They don't take up much room and every so often I have a good time playing an old RPG, platformer, racing game.

I think something you have zero chance of using (people have mentioned beanie babies, but also baseball cards, etc.) are a waste. Vidya is not the best "investment", but the items are worth keeping if you were going to play them anyway. They are functional. A classic car is functional. An old rifle is functional.

>>5459760
i don't think people collect retro video games in order to sell them in the future and make a profit, they collect in order to collect. people who buy and sell retro games don't care about the games themselves

>>5459975
>The things weren't built to last

oh, tell that to my Famicom, it's not only a long-lasting console, but also easy as F when it comes to maintenance, I bet most PS2 systems will be dead while Famicoms and other 8-bit systems will continue to live on

And if we imagined the sunken cost fallacy as describing time instead of money? Keeping them around replay them is the real madness.

>>5463761
Tbh, PS2s probably will live on simply because of the excess of parts. Shit was in production for forever.

>>5459786
You can emulate every game you'd want. You can't emulate a muscle car or a beanie baby.

Video games are a retarded investment.

>>5459760
no, that would be sending your kid to college

>>5464378
>You can't emulate a muscle car

sure you can

>>5459786
>The supply is finite and is indeed growing in value at a slow, steady rate.
Flash carts, mod chips and the future of ODDE will remove the concept of "supply" from the equation. There are multiple "players" involved with the price of games. There are Collectors. These people don't care about price. They want games to play or to collect as shelf decorations. There are resellers. These are the people who will buy low and sell high. There are also Gamers. Gamers want to play the games. In the past you had to collect the game to play it. Gamers had to be some type of collector. They had to have physical tangible items in order to enjoy the media. Today a flash carts, emulation and other methods side step the reseller totally. It is a buyers market. You can ask whatever you want for something, but if no one wants to pay that price, you are going to be stuck with it. Games are in infinite supply at little to no costs. This is a somewhat new dynamic in recent history, and coincides with the 2 year plateau of price. People are talking about other methods. Even Sony/M$/Nintendo re-releasing old titles digitally takes away the rarity of the games. There is a whole generation of gamers who are late teens-early 20s who have never needed a physical copy of a game. "Retro" video games are a short term gain/long term loss. Buying them as an investment today is a foolish idea. Break even and enjoy the hobby, but be prepared to get stuck with decreased values and worthless plastic and silicone chips. Gamers are not the same old retarded dopes they were 10+ years ago. They are not limited to the plastic box hidden in a glass case at the game store.

>>5460023
Look, we all know mcdonalds is garbage junk food, but if you consistently need to shit literally within minutes of eating it it says far more about your fucked up IBS than it does the quality of the food. I'm seriously suggesting you see a doctor.

>>5461564
>larping as a smart person
In other words, someone who acts smarter than he actually is. But yes I agree with you, sunk cost fallacy has little if nothing to do with simply collecting games. It's usually reserved for gamblers who keep buying lottery tickets or spending coins at a slot machine because they believe that if they keep doing it, they will win the jackpot and gain more money while in reality they could've avoided losing any money on it if they didn't gamble in the first place.

Greetings, someone who spent 300 dollars in the past few years on gambling and only got 30 back at best.

>>5459760
Take that wall of Nshitty4 controllers and insert them into your rectum one by one. Faggot.

>>5459873
>what is inflation

>>5459760
DAILY FUCKING REMINDER THAT IF YOU DON'T EMULATE, YOU'RE A RETARDED FAGGOT WITHOUT A SINGLE NANOGRAM OF COMMON SENSE.

>>5464721
Says the dumbshit who didn't have enough common sense to buy the games when they were cheap. Hmmm. Really makes you think. Cry for me now forever butthurt poorfag with no games.

>>5464728
Not everyone's crazy enough to live in a city with access to tons of goods.

>>5464573
Sweetie no you are exhibiting too much denial. Let's face it, video games are the new gold and If you didn't hop on the train then it's too late. There will be a lot of millionaires set for life in the future and you won't be one of them.

>>5464728
No games? I have entire collections sitting in the space of a thumbnail. Games you'll never get in your physical collection.

You like collecting? Great, but don't act like it's not balls easy to own every game for most systems and that I'm stupid for doing that over spending thousands and keeping my space.

I don't care to show off my collection or anything like that, but I enjoy visiting various stores, finding games I've never played or seen before and getting the chance to check them out. That's why I tend to buy even some of the more beaten up cartridges, because to me it's more about the history each game goes through than getting a pristine copy to shelve forever.

Few people consider how many times a game might've changed owners if you manage to pick up an import copy of a game at some small shop in the corner of nowhere.

>>5464434
That's not a muscle car. Nor is an electric car a muscle car. Of course you wouldn't understand.

Emulation is what got me into collecting. Probably because back in the day everyone used to say, from a legal standpoint, that you must own the game before downloading any rom. I'm a hypocrite i'll admit, but I think the majority of collectors have been emulating for a very long time, and also own flash cartridges and rpi's etc etc

Shit probably won't go up any more will trend downward. Retro collecting is driven by nostalgia and the nes/snes crowd has entered mid life crises mode
Try to make money while you can.

Just check 'sold' listings on eBay. The collector community is very small and owns like 99 percent of the shit on there. But rarely does it sell. That's why you see the same copy of a sealed shadowrun that's been listed for $500 for the last two years. I love snes and have plenty of money to spend but im also not retarded. Collectors are sad people.

>>5459760
I sunk a few bucks into them over the years and now my collection costs tens of thousands and I'm wagging by giant fallacy all over the place if that's what you mean.

>>5464767
>Let's face it, video games are the new gold and If you didn't hop on the train then it's too late. There will be a lot of millionaires set for life in the future and you won't be one of them.
I chuckled a bit under my breath. Is this copy pasta? If not, it will be. I have a collection of games and systems going back to an Atarii 2600, only because these are my systems from my childhood. The value is entirely sentimental. There is little to no investment opportunity in plastic carts and cd games. Buying games thinking they are the next hot market is asking for trouble. The only people who will want them are oldfags with money and an attachment to specific titles. This is no different than Records. Collectors/resellers will swap old titles between themselves in a perpetual circle jerk, while gamers continue to avoid them while using flash carts and digital media. In a way there are 2 markets to cater to. Collectors/Resellers as one, and Gamers as the other. I am a gamer. Flash carts are cheap, and this is why my entire history of gaming is shoved into boxes in the corner of my attic. I haven't seen most of my games in years. Thanks Krikzz.

>>5466416
>Retro collecting is driven by nostalgia and the nes/snes crowd has entered mid life crises mode
>Try to make money while you can.
You are spot on. They are also starting to die off, and their next of kin is stuck with a box of plastic shit that they will sell for pennies on the dollar at an estate sale or public auction.

>>5467074
>Thanks Krikzz.
Greetings, a shill

But seriously, you're right. I'd still buy a few more (S)NES cartridges and Playstation discs because I just really wanna own them but I wouldn't mind getting flashcarts and an external HDD to store roms and ISOs on so I don't have to swap games everytime and don't pay up the wazoo just to play something like Stadium Events or LSD Simulator. As said before, collecting and playing games have become two completely different things at this point (and yes I count hoarding no-intro rom/ISO sets as collecting too).

>>5467078
>a shill
He pretty much set the bar for all Flash cart productions, though I have to give TerraOnion credit as well. I will be buying the MVS cart when it comes back in stock at the usual places.

>I'd still buy a few more (S)NES cartridges and Playstation discs because I just really wanna own them but I wouldn't mind getting flashcarts and an external HDD to store roms and ISOs on so I don't have to swap games
The part about the PS1 that bothers me is that there isn't a quality ODDE quite yet. The PSIO is a great proof of concept, but I don't think it is the final solution for the PS1. I don't consider the Ps2 a quality replacement either. Eventually some turbo-autist will get it figured out. I still am using burned discs and a uniROM modded gameshark, and even it isn't perfect.

>collecting and playing games have become two completely different things at this point
Once can be either a collector or a gamer OR both.

Beanie babies were designed specifically to be collectible, that ruined its future value because it encouraged people to hoard them and way too many were mass produced.

Few people were wise enough to hold onto games just like few were wise to hold onto Star Wars toys in the 70s in the box.

Even if most consoles die out, people will want games that are sealed in the box in mint condition,, do people who pay good money for toy cowboy guns from the 1950s play with them? Fuck no, they display them. People who collect games to "play" them aren't actually true collectors because they put wear and tear on their asset, just like most car collectors rarely drive their vehicles more than a few miles a year.

>>5459760
Zero, unless your an idiot and buying BIN off ebay. Faggot OP, i hate you, stop buying ebay games.

>>5460558
Bullshit.
I keep all my games and systems in pullout drawers. I dont display anything, faggot

>>5464772
And hows that xbox emulator? Perfect PS2 emu? Hm? Saturn, faggot?

Fuck you.

>>5459975
Youre a fucking idiot. I have a 1980 crt that works perfectly fine that I just recently recapped for the fuck of it.

>>5467120
>People who collect games to "play" them aren't actually true collectors because they put wear and tear on their asset

that's the dumbest shit ive ever heard, its really easy to take care of games and still use them. whatever "wear and tear" is going to be so marginal you'll be writing essays on fucking entropy to convince anyone otherwise

it's not "sunk cost" but more like "diminishing returns"

buying a few carts or a console you come across is relatively cheap. once you keep adding to the collection, leaving rarer and rarer games left to collect, you have to spend more and more in order to add to the collection.

"sunk cost" would imply that the initial money spent is worthless UNLESS you dump a bunch more money into it. a game collection would start with the biggest and most common games, which tend to be the best (mario, sonic games). your initial money spent would give the biggest return. it isn't dumb until you're hunting down Nintendo Championship or Bandai Track & Field.

>>5467175
Like piratefags need an emulator. All three systems have been BTFO to the point that you can burn discs or run the games off of SD cards or hard drives.

>>5459760
>game collecting overall
I've never ever ever met a collector who didn't give me the overwhelming feeling that the old games are meant to fill an unfillable void
As for a sunk cost, it depends. Some people want a few items or certain things and that's okay. Making an entire room that's thousands upon thousands of dollars of value... not so much the good thing.

>>5466368
Jason?

>>5467274
It's for some imaginary situation where a friend asks, "Anon do you have X game? That was my jam back in the day" Anon: "Yessiree i got that game right here lets fire it up!"
Yeehaw

>>5467274
>unfillable void
>the void is actual filled with collectors old games from their childhood.

Are you serious dude? Do you not understand how this works? Most collectors OWN their old games. By this point every collector should own every game they used to have or rented as a child. If they don't then they're just a lazy neet fuck. If the only ones you met were bandwagon recent collectors then yeah obviously they're filling a void but the rest of us have had our games for 25 years.

>>5467362
I'm a NEET but it's not because I'm lazy. There is something wrong with me. I don't communicate properly and I have an atrocious memory, I forget everything. I even went back to school to try to be smarter, I did a science degree, I studied hard for every subject, I did all the assignments well and I got really good results. But employers don't give a shit, the second I open my mouth they would rather kill themselves than hire this guy. I have no social life either lol. I would make literal incels look normal. If I could be interesting then maybe people would like me, but like I say I forget everything. My mom has lost every part of her memory and I'm definitely headed in that direction.

>>5464783
I do the same thing, but just remember the game title to emulate it later. lol

>>5467362
> ... bandwagon recent collectors then yeah obviously they're filling a void but the rest of us have had our games for 25 years.
As someone who lost his games and sold the remaining ones from being misfortunate I'd like to say that there are also those who played them back then, wished they still kept them to this day and still wanted 'em back because of nostalgia and that. People like me are another reason why prices skyrocketed for several consoles and video games so it's not like those bandwagoners are the only reason for the inflation.

this thread just shows how no one here knows what sunk cost fallacy is

>>5468689
Oh wow thanks for your post showing that you on the other hand have a perfect understanding of what it actually is
Thanks for the information anon, I really wish there were more posters like you!

>>5459760
I will never understand why people feel the need to turn their houses into museums. Like, I appreciate the work that went into this, but there is nothing fucking comfy about this, and I wouldn't really want to play vidya in this room.

>>5468784
What's the point? It's completely irrelevant to the thread, anyway, since OP created a meaningless topic. This is a Carpathian relief sculpture forum, not wikipedia.

>>5468792
Different strokes, anon. I think the picture is the very epitome of comfy, and would love to be ensconced in all those memories while plopped in a beanbag chair playing some Mario 3.

>>5468784
Sunk cost fallacy is when you let a cost(money, time, etc.) that is paid and is no longer recoverable influence your further decisions. You let an emotional investment or attachment take over your logical decision making. Examples include:

I bought all this food, so even though I'm no longer hungry, I might as well finish it even though it will negatively affect my health and the food will be thrown out regardless.

I'm already an hour into this shitty movie, so I might as well finish it even though I could be doing something more productive or enjoyable.

I might as well continue this relationship with this terrible person because I spent so much time and energy on them even though being around them makes me miserable.

>>5468858
>ensconced in all those memories
Who the fuck has memories of playing video games in a sterile room where every wall is autistically lined with ugly cartridges and boxes, and the consoles are displayed under fucking mood lights? Most people I knew kept their games in boxes or drawers, and played in a living room or bedroom. Like a normal fucking human. Not in a museum.

>>5459791
Did people really collect beanie babies because they thought they'd go up in value?

>>5468919

Yup. There's that guy who spent all his savings on the things as "investment".

>>5468919
Only retards. They became a craze, and most people I knew owned at least one or two because, in general, they were cheap, cute, made good gifts, and were available literally everywhere. The amount of people who got obsessed and thought they were "investing" in their future by buying thousands of the damn things probably wasn't too far off from the usual amount of insane collectors for any given collectible. It just made so many headlines because it was something that kids were actually interested in (just like the similar Pokemon and comic book collection booms during the '90s) so uninitiated parents made a stink out of it so much that it ended up on the news. '90s news was like 85% "things baby boomer parents thought were the devil".

>>5467170
>I dont display anything
Great, so you don't even take advantage of the sole thing physical copies are good for.

>>5459868
>video game equipment will soon die
It can be repaired and in time custom ICs will be able to be replaced with cycle-exact FPGAs.

>>5466416
>Retro collecting is driven by nostalgia and the nes/snes crowd has entered mid life crises mode
>>>/reddit/

>>5459975
Posts like these show how brainlet and generally uninformed of electronics and how they work that /vr/ is.

>>5466416
>The collector community is very small and owns like 99 percent of the shit on there. But rarely does it sell. That's why you see the same copy of a sealed shadowrun that's been listed for $500 for the last two years.
This, I keep seeing collectors bragging about how much their games go for on ebay and how they got it for less but I rarely see people actually paying those ebay prices.

The main thing you have to worry about is stuff like the Plus/4 that has custom ICs that used poor manufacturing processes. Also bad PSUs (big problem with Commodore machines).

>>5463761
Didn't someone say the Atari 2600 is quite bombproof?

>>5463761
>I bet most PS2 systems will be dead while Famicoms and other 8-bit systems will continue to live on
You underestimate the PS2 repair/modding skills of third worlders.

>>5469292
Not really, you see failed ICs in them from time to time, especially bad TIAa.

>>5459975
>The components used to manufacture consumer game hardware are low-cost mass-produced junk, so consumers could afford the shit. The price you pay for playing vidya outside of an arcade is shitty materials and engineering. The things weren't built to last, and
Actually you would be wrong. It's more that electronics manufacturing used to be a lot more, how shall we say, crude, particularly in the Atari era. ICs used some fairly rough NMOS processes that were close to being analog electronics and slightly unstable as a result. By the late 80s as IC fabrication improved, chips became more reliable and stable.

So old age really isn't why a 40 year old IC goes bad. It's actually a perfectly reliable design...by 1979 standards.

http://eesemi.com/faq/faq-bake-recovery.htm

BTW, if you have a bad IC in a retro machine, don't just give up on it. Try baking it in an oven for a while; it may be healed. Not always depending on the failure mode, but it's always worth a shot.

(don't do this in an oven you intend to cook food in; get a toaster oven or something to use instead)

>>5469537
Intwesting.

Bad capacitors aren’t the reason all equipment will become unrepairable. The actual boards are going to corrode. Dumbest thing to collect, ever.

>>5469586
Corrosion isn't a problem for anything stored in cool, dry conditions. The two main problems you have to worry about are ESD damage and ICs overheating.

>>5469593
You’re completely wrong, humidity and heat exacerbate the problem but even the boards in sealed boxes in dry dark cupboards will corrode. Sorry about that fact but at some point you just have to face science.

>>5469593
To explain more for you, it’s because of the combination of dissimilar metals on the board that causes the corrosion. Humidity and heat sure don’t help, but being stored in a cool, dark environment as you put it doesn’t affect or stop this natural corrosive process.

I'm probably older than the rest of you. My Atari 2600 was in pretty much regular use from 1979 until 83 and I never had any corrosion problems or chips going belly-up. Though I did have a friend who had to have the 4050 hex buffer IC in his replaced twice due to blowing it out from static electricity (playing while seated on a shag carpet--I mean, it was the 70s).

Corrosion isn't a problem on stuff that's soldered properly. If the manufacturer cheaped out, well...

>>5459786
this
a gameboy micro, which is a piece of shit, is now at $150

>>5469716
The only reason the GameBoy Micro is expensive is due to it's low sales, and thus rarity. The AGS-101 surpasses it in compatibility and picture quality.

>>5469696
Soldering quality has nothing to do with the natural corrosion between dissimilar metals. The process can be witnessed in situations that have no soldering at all.

>>5469726
The AGS 101 screen alone is $80

>>5469729
>>5469696

It's not that different from collecting movies, music or books, but those are probably cheaper.

>>5469748
Thank you for proving my point, humidity and solder quality make consoles die even faster, but even without these things they will die due to corrosion between metals. It’s due to the chemical profile of the different metals.

>>5469748
>random post made by some dipshit on a forum proves me wrong
>the city of you

>>5459760
Let me put this question into the 4chan translator here...

>your hobby sucks because i don't partake in it so how can i degrade it in a passive-aggressive way?

Close enough.

>>5469783
This wasn't me BTW, I posted >>5469782

>>5469782
>>5469729
>>5469614
>>5469619

>>5469783
How is your random post on /vr/ any more or less credible than his?

ITT: A whole lot of pseudoscience and copypaste from clickbait articles

>>5469804
So prove me wrong, shit for brains.

>>5469794
No, I posted >>549782 but you can post a screenshot with the (You) if you want to prove me wrong. I don’t know why you want to be me.
>>5469803
That wasn’t me, but it’s science. Not really a debate or an opinion. How credible is chemistry?

>>5469806
>>5469783
Start by being less rude and passive-aggressive for one thing.

>>5469685
Ok, but still you would agree that modern electronics are more stable and have tighter manufacturing tolerances, right?

>>5469815
Again, that wasn't me, you stupid cocksucker.

>>5469821

>>5469815

>>5469824
Oh boo boo, I used a bad word. My mom will be so outraged.

GODDAMMIT QUIT PRETENDING TO BE ME

Yeah I find that a bit questionable as well. Even if the solder on a PCB would naturally break down, under decent storage conditions this process would be so slow you'll probably be dead before it happens.

>>5469685
>My Atari 2600 was in pretty much regular use from 1979 until 83 and I never had any corrosion problems or chips going belly-up
WHEN IT WAS BRAND-NEW, NOT 40 YEARS OLD, YOU STUPID FAGGOT

I'd be more worried about chips dying from ESD or thermal issues than whatever solder boogeyman anon thought up, because this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing. Meanwhile, we do know very much about ESD and thermal issues and their effect on electronics.

Is that like those guys who bake graphics cards in an oven to reflow solder?

>>5469869
No.

>>5468905
Apparently LGR does.

Stupid question, but can't you just re-solder cracked solder joints? My dad did it on an RCA TV once.

>>5469918
It’s a good question, yes you can fix solder problems, or capacitor problems a lot of the time, but corrosion problems no.

I've spent a lot of time on sites like VCFED and have yet to hear of corrosion happening on a machine unless it was allowed to be exposed to moisture.

>>5469923
This guy has spent a lot of time on a website which is proof that computers won’t corrode, they will last thousands and thousands of years, maybe even forever

>>5468689
>this thread just shows how no one here knows what sunk cost fallacy is
That's why I never posted here to begin with.
I studied economy in uni, most people haven't.

>>5468870
based

>>5469258
/thread

>>5469854
>WHEN IT WAS BRAND-NEW, NOT 40 YEARS OLD, YOU STUPID FAGGOT
You sound new. Things don't age on /vr/, don't even mention it.

You know, you can repair stuff when it breaks, right? Except for custom ICs but eventually we'll have FPGAs for all of those.

>>5469943
>Except for custom ICs but
Even then try baking them in an oven for a few hours. Don't give up on an IC immediately.

>>5469854
>>5469941
Samefag and I'll thank you not to use Reddit reaction images.

>>5469325
On modern PCBs, traces where ESD is expected may run close to a ground plane with jagged teeth, aka spark gaps, between traces in order to entice the sudden inrush to jump the gap rather than destroy a semiconductor. Zener diodes are another solution because they operate normally in reverse breakdown where most semiconductors are destroyed by it.

>>5470053
That's kind of the point though. Modern electronics are better designed and constructed than stuff in the 70s was.

The Colecovision also had issues with the controller ports getting zapped by ESD.

>>5470041

One thing easy to forget is that static discharges can be extremely powerful. Most ICs can't survive more than about 2V over their rated spec. Just a static jolt from rubbing a wool sweater can produce 750V (consider that this is hundreds more than a home electrical system uses).

>>5469782
But anon-kun, we'll probably be dead before that ever happens.

>>5468919
Yes.
And for a short time it was a VERY good investment.
Because other dopes were willing to pay tons of money for them.
Then the fad faded and the "market" collapsed.
There are still some Beanie Babies worth hundreds or thousands but they are VERY rare.
Most are just garage sale material.

>>5459975
You do know people collect and restore antique cars which are decades older than the oldest video game, right? And yes, a lot of those cars weren't all that durable and only expected to be on the road about 5-6 years.

>>5468919
Fads come and go but stupidity is eternal

>>5471808
That is true, but the big difference is that classic cars are a socially accepted normalfag hobby while most people just associate retro game fags with LGR or some other sad NEET who can't let his childhood go.

>>5471895
>redneck boomer manchild restores muscle car because he can't let his high school days go
How's that any different?

>>5471897
I guarantee you'll never see a calendar with a bikini model posing next to a 486 shitbox running Wolf 3D.

>>5472023
That doesn't answer or refute what I said.

>>5464746
I bought most of my best shit off the internet when eBay was still a good place to get deals.

>>5464378
>Video games are a retarded investment
>Eliminate Down is over $1500 bucks now

>>5469271
Your INSIDES are literally corroding. The oxygen you need to stay alive is slowly destroying your tissues from oxidation, that's how old age happens.

>>5459975
IC packages are hermetically sealed so assuming they were manufactured properly, the chip die itself is in no danger of corroding.

>>5472023
All it would take is like a $30,000 kickstarter and one could do exactly that.

>>5471864
I think there's a difference between shitty Pops and Beanie Babies in that nobody collecting Pops is under the impression that they'll be able to sell them to get their "investment" back, with maybe the sole exception being the ultra limited edition ones that are only 100 of. People legitimately thought that every single beanie baby was going to be worth thousands in 10 years when they were the it thing, and nowadays only the absolute rarest of the rare are worth even more than their original asking price, with only the ABSURDLY rare ones worth a lot.

>>5467362
So we arent allowed to buyback our old games or else we lose our "true gamer card"?

>>5469116
> 90s news was like 85% "things baby boomer parents thought were the devil"
If they only knew how right they were today!

>>5464434
>electric classic cars
Based and futurepilled.

>>5469935
i'm a retard with basic college level economics understanding and the idiocy i see on 4chan about economics makes my brain hurt. not even advanced stuff, just supply and demand. everyone on /vr/ thinks that supply is fixed for retro games (it's not) and every one thinks demand is fixed (it's not). retro gaming is inelastic (changing because of youtube) but, in 30 years, no one will want your yellow japanese plastic children's toys. The guy further up talking about the two vinyl markets with traders circle jerking each other is much more likely to happen. Fuck, its already happened for 8 bit/home built computers. It's the same people acquiring/trading/repairing each other's shit.

I wish I could blame hoarding enormous physical collections of largely worthless consumerist junk onto Americans, but I don't think it's exclusive to them.

>>5472514
>everyone on /vr/ thinks that supply is fixed for retro games (it's not)
Guess most people are thinking of "stock" when they say that, unless I misunderstand the difference between "stock" and "supply".
At any rate, cartridges aren't produced anymore (repros are basically a different product) but even then they can break or be deliberately destroyed (see e.g. Shaq Fu).

what if newfags when they get old...... get corrupted, corroded, and rotten from their environment...... and become a former shell of what they once were......?

>>5472556
There were literally millions of the shits made though. Just because something is old or no longer in production doesnt meant it's worth much.

I was down at the junk store yesterday and saw a bunch of razors, none of them went for more than $20.

Also, supply isnt static. People are always digging up new shit out of their attic and selling it. I dont begrudge collectors going to grandmas garage sale and buying her shit and reselling to $20 or $50.

I dont like the crazy people selling 'rare' earthbound or zelda carts, and feel bad for insane collectors that think they are going to unload their junk for a profit in 20 years.

>tfw making a fortune selling unmarked repro cartridges as original

The supply is finite and is indeed growing in value at a slow, steady rate.
I think there's a difference between shitty Pops and Beanie Babies.
You would agree that modern electronics are more stable and have tighter manufacturing tolerances, right?
It's more that electronics manufacturing used to be a lot more, how shall we say, crude, particularly in the Atari era. ICs used some fairly rough NMOS processes that were close to being analog electronics and slightly unstable as a result. By the late 80s as IC fabrication improved, chips became more reliable and stable.

>>5467271
Saturn collectors are probably the saddest when their console only needs 1 wire to modchip and the games are 100-300 each for the good ones lol.

>>5473826
>Just because something is old or no longer in production doesnt meant it's worth much
Of course not. Both of those mean things will get rarer as time goes on (old stuff breaks, no replacements. Not sure about the "millions of the shits" for most titles, but for the bigger ones where millions were produced, this decay is certainly negligible).
Ayway, being rare does not mean much if nobody gives a shit, either.
But then you have to wonder how resellers get away with such crazy prices. Is it just a handful of scumbags controlling the market?
The Japanese are totally unlike these assholes, offering stuff at reasonable prices and in great condition.
But then, as you said, over in Japan there were usually many more units sold than overseas. And in addition they are useless to anyone who does not speak Japanese most of the time.
This year's April fool's makes me want to vomit, by the way. What are the chances Hiroshimoot actually implements something like this in the future?

>>5469746
Christ. I remember I was buying AGS 101s on Ebay like it was going out of style and they were dirt cheap. This was like 10 years ago, already, though. Goddamn.

>>5472265
this is correct. people who buy pops know that they aren't worth shit with the exception of the comic con exclusives and a couple other super limited pieces.

>>5475067
t. the funko pop defense force

>>5474948
>old stuff breaks, no replacements.
Anything is fixable with enough time and money.

I Googled "how long can an ic last" and all I got was a bunch of links about interstital cystitis.

>>5474948
You sure packed a whole lot of stupid into that post

>>5460023
>I eat mcdonald's and I have to take a shit within minutes.
If you're not used to a certain kind of food then it can give you digestive issues, but someone who eats McDonald's or just fried foods in general even semi-regularly will be used to it enough to not have those issues with eating fast food.

>>5472080
>$1500
Are you >implying that's a lot or will ever be a lot?

>>5469797
They are talking about galvanic corrosion. It actually is a problem in a lot of scenarios, including mechanics where dissimilar contacting metals can corrode bolts in place (eg steel bolt in an aluminum engine). One of the reasons people use specific types of anti-seize compound.
As for how serious an issue it is for ICs and electronics in general, i'm not sure. It's certainly a factor though the metals and contact involved would need to be studied.

>>5476979
I don't think anon even has to imply that. It's just a fact. Anyone who implies otherwise is a poorfag NEET with a net worth a fraction of that who's just trying to imply otherwise.

>>5459760
As soon as Microsoft figures out their augmented reality visors (so they are actually practical and miniaturized into monocles, regular looking glasses or contacts) all of the older tech will plummet in value. I'd give it another year or two.

>>5459760
Free-to-play games and gambling (essentially the same thing) are still the best examples.

>>5459760
WHy does game collecting trigger so many? Is it the fact they don’t have as much money as others?

>>5478164
Did you just assume everyone who rags on collecting is 'triggered'?

>>5477017
>They are talking about galvanic corrosion. It actually is a problem in a lot of scenarios, including mechanics where dissimilar contacting metals can corrode bolts in place (eg steel bolt in an aluminum engine). One of the reasons people use specific types of anti-seize compound.
>As for how serious an issue it is for ICs and electronics in general, i'm not sure. It's certainly a factor though the metals and contact involved would need to be studied.
I would think a jet engine is subjected to a great deal of heat, noise, moisture, and vibration that a PCB isn't.

>>5478243
Galvanic corrosion happens with pieces of metal touching one another. It doesn't require heat, noise, moisture or vibration. It only requires electrical connection.

Looks like electronics researchers are well of the effect and have been designing around it for many years.
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7017282

>>5478313
Further to this, for anyone that's interested:
http://orbit.dtu.dk/files/100370544/Corrosion_in_electronics.pdf
>Generally, the materials for electronics are not selected by considering corrosion behavior as an important criteria or parameter. There are numerous examples on PCBAs where dissimilar metal/alloy combinations are present. For example, during electroless nickel immersion gold (ENIG) surface finish, immersion Au coating is made on the Ni barrier layer. If low thickness of the Au layer, the surface becomes porous and the Ni layer is exposed through the porous Au layer, hence corrosion of Ni is accelerated due to the dissimilar corrosion potential of the materials.
So it's evidently a problem, but needs to be studied on a per-console basis (and per-IC/pcb basis) for a meaningful expectation of how serious a long-term issue this sort of corrosion is.

Like someone else said, ICs are hermetically sealed in a plastic or ceramic shell, so the dies are not exposed to air and moisure. Provided they were manufactured properly; an improperly encapsulated IC can suffer die corrosion and failure. That could perhaps account for the high number of SNES CPU failures.

>>5478164
Not triggered, but annoyed that collectors drive up prices and make it harder for people who actually play games to get their hands on them.

For example; Kuon for PS2.
It was once a $13 bargian bin game that next to no one had even heard of. I played it and beat it like 12 years ago. Loved it too.
Looked it up a few years back, and it's suddenly a $230 game because reasons.

That's 100% due to collectors being faggots. And there is zero reason for that game to cost that much otherwise.
I can afford it if I want it, but as a game I just want to play, it's just not worth that. No game is.

The only reason people pay that for any game, is so they can treat it like a trophy, like a moron.

This is basically the whole reason we all hate collectors. If you can't fathom that, or take offense, I really don't care. You can fuck off and go be a worthless fag somewhere else, for all I care.

>>5472243

30 thousand dollars? Nigga just bring your girlfriend to my garage my mom will take the picture

>>5478321
>>5478313
There may be a lot of variables involved such as the manufacturing process used for the IC or the time period; chip yields and reliability after the early 80s gradually got better and better as manufacturing processes matured and fabrication was better understood.

>>5478446
ICs have many possible failure modes so if one goes bad there's no definitive way to prove what killed it unless you decap the thing and look at it with a microscope. How do you know it succumbed to corrosion instead of ESD damage or overheating?

There is no better feeling than having a long sought after game that slipped through your fingers during your youth, or buying new copies of games that you had to sell as a child at your local store so you could afford the new game you wanted. I went through a spurt of buying shit tons of genesis, sega cd, psp, ds and gamecube games about 5 years ago. Spent thousands of dollars.

At first it feels amazing. The rush of excitment picking up your parcel. Opening the box, popping the disc in and enjoying a bite out of your youth. But then its gone. So you buy more games, sure enough, those good feelings fade as well. Shortly, you will be down 10s of thousands of dollars on games sitting on your shelf. You could have backed out at the first 10 thousand, but you kept going, and now you have over 40k dollars worth of games that hopefully maintain their value, otherwise youll feel like the total fuckwit you deep down know you are.

None of the above applies if you dont intend on having children one day, already have a house and vehicle paid off and your cruising down easy street until you retire. If you are a poorfag and you think youre going to be a collector, just stick with flashcarts and sd carts. This shit will hollow you out and ruin you mentally and turn what was supposed to be a blast from the past, into an unquenchable obsession with no end.

Buying panzer dragoon for 1000+ or popful mail for 400 is just flat out fucking retarded. The most I ever dropped on a game was 140 for Lunar 2 eternal blue, and 170 for Shining Force CD. I had to tap out because I realized I would never own my own home one day if I kept indulging in my collectathons. I had the game collecting addiction paired up with vinyl lp collecting. Probably pissed away 20 grand. All that shit I bought is actually worth more now than when I bought it, but it was still a fools journey banking on that.

If I bought bitcoin instead, I would be rich enough to fuck all of your mothers.

>>5479696
>Reply

quality post, anon

>>5479725
Thanks, chum. I dont come around here too often, but this was one of the few times where I could relate with both sides of the aisle so I thought id drop a few words.

>>5459786
The supply is actually shrinking, but so is the number of people who would actually pay what people are asking. Imagine owning one of the last Ford Model A's that is in pristine condition. What do you do with it? And if you wanted to sell it how many buyers would actually be interested in paying what it's worth? Probably not many. Now imagine that a company made a kit car that was basically the same thing as your Model A, but it costs 98% less than what your selling price is. Now how many buyers would actually be interested in paying what it's worth? You are approaching zero.

if you are some retard that only started collecting now i guess but i got most of my games cheap as fuck like 10-15 years ago

>>5479696
Didn't read and Imma let you finish but you really need to get laid

>>5479696
No, sorry but no, sorry sweetie. It's not about "relieving your youth" or anything like that. It's about the authentic retro experience.

Maybe your just generally depressed? If you went overboard (which you obviously did!) then you needed to prioritize with moderation. We need to preserve this games for the future where games won['t exist and be proud that you have done well. You will be a billionaire which is not a bad trade off too.

>>5479696
Popful Mail is such a cute game in screenshots. I considered buying it recently and then decided to look up a playthrough of it on youtube. It is cute, but after watching 5 minutes of gameplay, I was like meh, I don’t really need this after all. “It’s just not that good”

>>5480209
At the time I was actually severely ill and very depressed because of it. I was absolutely filling a void with consumerism. I had seen games like snatcher selling for 600 bucks and panicked thinking that if I didnt buy the gems right now, every single gem will be 600+ eventually.

>>5480209
I also can clearly see that gaming as a whole has declined post 2007. Which was what had initially pushed me towards retro gaming, and the waves of nostalgia helped fuel my buying sprees.

If you guys really want to make a lot of money, start buying up original xbox one games as soon as the new console comes out. When you can go to a pawn shop and get 2 xbone games for 5 bucks, thats when you sperg out and buy them all. The next generation of consoles will most likely ditch physical media, and when the zoomers reach middle age and want to relive their youth, they will start buying all of those xbone games on ebay and you will see massive price hikes on those games, much like with snes and nes games over the last few years.
I did that with the original xbox and 360. Bought hundreds of those games for dirt cheap knowing many of those games got poor releases and sales so there is definite scarcity with a lot of those games.

I don't think it's sunk cost. Most people I know that collect retro video games genuinely love collecting them and playing them. Most I've known or heard of do it because they love retro gaming, and don't buy additions to their collections because "it'll be worth something someday."

>>5480503
>start buying up original xbox one games as soon as the new console comes out
Probably won't work - games are now so tied to online services that its no certainty that zoomers in 15 years will want to re-live the offline-only experience.
IMO xbox360/ps3/wii was the last 'offline' console where you can bank on the retro effect happening.

>>5480209
>he thinks he'd be interested in a SNES even if nobody else was into it and he hadn't grown up with it.
kek

>>5480549
Shit, dude, yeah youre right. Im so out of touch with modern games that it slipped my mind that its all online gay sandboxy shit these days.

>>5478637
>maybe if i pretend i know and use words i don't understand theyll believe me
kids. lol

>>5480570
What's he wrong about? Sounds correct to me.

>>5459760
"Sunk cost fallacy"

Those words don't mean what you think they do.

>>5480623
>i also don't know
There are many ways to diagnose a part without decapping and you would basically never decap to diagnose a failure. You two have heard a few terms parroted around the redditsphere and take them as gospel because you don't know any better. But you being more ignorant than someone else doesn't make their incorrect statements any more correct.

>>5459760
retro gaming is largely based on nostaliga, the kids who enjoyed these games are now old enough and have the money to horde them. outside of that generation no one gives a fuck about those old games. i dont see 15year olds desperate for SNES games, they all play fortnite.
its just a bunch of old fatties like me drooling over this ancient crap. once our generation get older the less people give a shit about these games. how many collectors are there playing pong? the original console still only costs 250$ at best.

>>5480812
in fact the original pong console is almost worthless

>>5459760
>retro gaming is largely based on nostalgia, the kids who enjoyed these games are now old enough and have the money to horde them. outside of that generation no one gives a fuck about those old games. i dont see 15year olds desperate for SNES games, they all play fortnite.
>its just a bunch of old fatties like me drooling over this ancient crap. once our generation get older the less people give a shit about these games. how many collectors are there playing pong? the original console still only costs 50$ at best.
i wouldnt buy games to collect for value, id buy them because i enjoy them and would play them. that Gamecube collection there has 80% trash in it that no one would ever play.

>>5459760
>>5459760
retro gaming is largely based on nostalgia, the kids who enjoyed these games are now old enough and have the money to horde them. outside of that generation no one gives a fuck about those old games. i dont see 15year olds desperate for SNES games, they all play fortnite.
its just a bunch of old fatties like me drooling over this ancient crap. once our generation get older the less people give a shit about these games. how many collectors are there playing pong? the original console still only costs 50$ at best.
i wouldnt buy games to collect for value, id buy them because i enjoy them and would play them. that Gamecube collection in OP's photo has 80% trash in it that no one would ever play.

I don't like collectors who collect because a thing has some value to it. While I have a collection, it's more out of a natural interest in the medium than a monetary one. I'll pirate shit if it's easier and I'll buy stuff if it's easier.
Thinking that a collection of video games is an investment is retarded.

>>5463761
I may be talking out of my ass but the primary failpoint to the PS2 was the disk drive, which can be circumvented easily with mods.

>>5472080
Things are only worth what others are willing to pay.

>>5480838
>While I have a collection, it's more out of a natural interest in the medium than a monetary one
That's how it should be. Collecting trinkets for monetary value is delusional and guarantees they'll either lose interest and burn out hard or end up hoarding blindly for the sake of increasing the monetary value of the collection.

>>5480875
>poor underage bandwagoner is ultimate authority on how things should be done
lel

>>5480838
based

>>5480785
>ignores the general thread of discussion and zeros in on a potentially tangentially mistaken belief
>insults people by declaring they go on reddit
>doesn't add any valuable information to the thread
>smuggie.jpg
wow, what a shitposter

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/24952/how-can-i-tell-if-a-chip-has-esd-damage
Sure sounds like unless you're a big business with fancy a multi-million dollar x-ray machine you'll be decapping and looking at it under a microscope, especially with these older consoles where regular microscope magnification is enough to see the fine detail. But you're right, i'm not an expert, so why don't you tell us a realistic way someone would approach diagnosing a failed snes chip. Are there actually cheap xray scanners a retro console enthusiast (or modder) could afford?

>>5459868
It was a weird speculative investment bubble/marketing induced mass psychosis where normal people were spending thousands of dollars on stuffed animals believing they would explode in value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mYJ-BkUAi4

>>5481113
>bullshits on the internet
>gets called out for it
>wahhhhh
what a goof

>>5480828
>>>/reddit/

>>5459760
It's just stupid to collect rotting plastic or rotting discs that CONTAIN the game files. They are just fucking containers, probably with damaged data because they are old as fuck. They will be dust one day.

Emulation is superior and eternal.

>>5464378
>You can't emulate a muscle car
chinks have been manufacturing repros for years kiddo

>>5459760
>loose carts
>putting stickers on your carts

>>5459760
I don't think most collectors collect as an investment. I think for most it's mostly about interest, you could even call it aesthetic. The sunk cost fallacy has absolutely nothing to do with that.

>>5466368
better watch out!! the fbi is gonna find you for playing FF5 on zsnes!!

>>5472265
my brothers ex made like 1,900 selling 16 of them a few months ago. their worth fuck ton because its the people buying them that give them value, not a bunch of seething retards on 4chan saying their dumb, retard.

>>5472080
>>5472080
>>5472080

More like

$1,980.00 USD

>>5459760
Why would you care how other people spend their money? Not enough own problems, anon?

>>5472080
Good thing I have two copies

>>5464434
MGB with electric engine, that actually sounds interesting

>>5459760
I like collecting retro games because i like to play them. It's cool to have the real carts and artwork. Same goes w vinyls, i like the music and the album art.

if you are doing it for any other reason than that, you're probably retarded. they aren't ever going to be worth much of anything.

>>5482339
$0.00 from some site. Thank goodness for ROMs.

>>5479917
>The supply is actually shrinking
that's complete fucking horseshit regurgitated constantly by fucking retards that were born yesterday and with mental defects. millions of carts and discs across multiple platforms released and your crippling level of down syndrome think the supply is shrinking? MY FUCKING SIDES: IN ORBIT. anything to justify selling some shit-tier title for $100 on e-bay eh? L00K! RARE! ONE OF A KIND! you fat useless faggot. try harder.

>>5459873
stop saying fallacy

it's just "sunk cost"

>>5459760
Even if pic related material got bought at the time it came out and you'd sell it now you won't profit. I for my part bought most retro stuff when it was cheap around 2000 until 2005 and sold off most of it for the last 3 years. Keep in mind that plastic starts to rot and discs get dysfunctuonal at around 20 to 30yo.

>>5482894
when does plastic rot? its not organic.
no one really knows how long a DVD can last for. but estimates are between 100 to 200 years for properly manufactured ones. it all depends on the environment they are kept in.

>>5482942
the 1990's piano of my aunt started to lose its black color and got on your fingers when you touched it my old crt did the same. surely not very healthy. the plastic parts of the interrior of my 1986 oldtimer start to show the same symptoms although he is kept in the garage when not driven. my mother has a large cd collection going back to the late 80's I believe and she states that more and more start to skip. plastic needs hundred years to fully decompose but that doesn't mean the plastic goods work for this period.

>>5482942
It depends on the type of plastic, but it can in some cases take an estimated 10,000 years to decompose.

Plastic breaks down from (mostly) exposure to UV rays.

>>5482962
>piano
>car
probably a chemical reaction due to the coloring
>cds
they work differently from plastic, could also be the laser from the drive she's using

>>5482680
Not even him but holy shit what an absolute fucking moron you are. Waste of time explaining why to an imbecile but anyone with half a brain feels sorry for yours. Wow and here I thought all the zoomer spring break kids were gone.

>>5482942
It depends on your agenda. If you're angry that gainfully employed adults are buying video games plastics rot in a few years taking their bits with them. If you're angry that gainfully employed adults are sipping cold beverages through a straw plastics don't rot for >9000 years taking >9000 sea turtles with them.

>>5479917
That’s not at all how the vintage car or any collector’s market works, since there’s always a premium to owning the real deal no matter how much of a carbon copy a replica is. I mean, most drivers haven’t lived long enough to remember the 30s, but they’ll still drop millions of dollars on an actual Bugatti from the era and bupkis on a replica.

If you keep your games pristine for decades, they’ll eventually be worth something. But as an investment, it’s a terrible option when you could’ve made more money via more conventional methods.

>>5483664
Holy shit did you actually disagree with something I said? LMAO how fucking dumb are you? Everybody knows that everything I say is irrefutable. Kill yourself you double zoomer.

And don't bother responding to this post kiddo, I already won.

>>5459873
So five years until sixth gen maximum resale value?

What a terrible thread.

>>5487470
It will autosage tomorrow anyway.

>>5485731
Not retro.

>>5459760
You yourself are committing a fallacy, because for being a ''sunk cost fallacy'' the subject has to recognize the harmfulness of their habit/activity. I don't see why you imply one can't get pleasure from collecting things. And if you are saying that collecting is useless, well so is 90% of our lives, almost everything that isn't sleeping or eating - and reproducing. Your entire life (probabily) is based on ''spooks''.

>>5459868
You can actually do something with a video game that isn't looking at it sit on a shelf.
Unless you're a faggot that doesn't play his games.

in general, collecting games is not a sunk cost situation. you buy some games, and you have them. you can buy some more games if you want but it's easy to stop.

but here's a situation that might fit: you are collecting 32x games, and you have every game except for Spiderman: Web Of Fire. if you pay out the ass for it because you already bought all these other 32x games, that might be a sunk cost situation.

here's another case that definitely fits. you have a console that is very unreliable. you've sent it off to be repaired several times, but problems continue to come back. you continue to put money into it, figuring that since you've already paid for repairs so many times it would a shame to give up now.