/vr/ - Retro Games

It's like Pokemon, but without the collecting or adventuring parts.

jarpig battle simulator

They're battle-only Pokemon games. No story, no walking around a map, just sign up for different tournaments (with different rules), and fight away.
It's best enjoyed as a suppliment for the GB games, as a sort of post-game content.
Stadium themselves are also great tools for playing the GB games (better item/pokemon/TM management, better storage system). You can also get rare pokemon from Stadium, like starters, eevee, fossils and hitmons.
Also Stadium doesn't fuck around, it's hard. Playing with the rental monsters the game allows you to use is ridiculous, you will need your own monsters from the GB games.

>>5445778
These are the fun social multiplayer games that barely get mentioned in console war threads because getting friends to play such old hardware is a bit awkward depending on the circumstances. Its good stuff but you really gotta understand the purpose and conext for the time it was out

How did they expect you to raise 3-6 lvl 100 pokemon in fucking gen 1?
As a kid I remember it was a huge accomplishment to have just one.

>>5445806
Dodrio Tower

>>5445809
Assuming you finish the game at level 50, how many hours would that take?

>>5445778
Amesnia pysduck ?

>>5445821
>tfw I still couldn't get that or surf pikachu

>>5445832
And there's baton pass farfetched from Stadum 2. Earthquake Gligar too.

The games play similarly to the gameboy games but obviously there are animated pokemon battles. You can rent pokemon in game so you don't have to link one of the gameboy games to play but the battle tower is hard as fuck and you probably wont go very far with rentals alone. The game also lets you play the gameboy games on the TV in the gameboy tower.

It would be nice that instead of making event Pokemon they would make new Stadium games where you can get those pesky legendary Pokemon.

>>5445806
>>5445809
>>5445815
Let's be honest, everyone just used the missingno glitch to get a fuck ton of rare candies and stat boosting items.

>>5445910
True. As a kid, I didn't realize you could win more money by beating the Elite 4 over and over again.
I thought the only way was to have a Meowth with Pay Day. Better trade if you were on red version.
Still, even the money grind doesn't compare to the slot machine grind for Porygon. Fuck that shit.

>>5445806
Grinding.

>>5445778
It's basically the post-game.

RBY/GSC don't have a lot to offer after beating the E4/Red and collecting all 251 Pokemon.

With Stadium 1/2 it offers a lot of additional battles and minigames, and as other anon's mentioned you can obtain a few unique Pokemon from beating the content within these games.

Including a Gligar that knows earthquake, if I recall right.

>>5445778
full of amazingly bullshit fights, doubly so if you use rentals

>>5445806
>He doesn't know how to use Missingno on rare candies.

LaughingGirls.jpg

>>5445910
I legitimately grinded at least 7 Pokémon to 100 on Red when I was a kid.

I liked pokemon stadium on the n64. You could use your gameboy games pokemon in the game too if I remember correctly. I remember having some expansion pak thing on my controller and plugging in my pokemon games into it. The best battle only pokemon game imo is pokke tournament, but that isn't retro.

>>5446457
I once grinded in final fantasy 1 to max level with my full party cause of this exp hill on the overworld. I have no clue how many hours I grinded there. I had the FF 1 and 2 games on gba. Good times.

>>5446383
Yeah, but that gives you the worst stats possible at lvl 100

>>5446479
Level 50 Master one-shots Chaos I believe.
Omae wa mou shinderu.

"The attack continues" the game

>>5446507
Over leveling in old school jrpgs was so much fun to me. One shot everything cause you were autistic enough to spend hours doing it. I think people hated on FF8 leveling system cause some people liked to be overpowered like I use to do.

>>5446519
I too loved becoming OP. The idea of growing from normal soldier to badass superhuman using cool moves is appealing.

>>5446519
FF8 is one of the games where you can become the most hilariously overpowered. It just requires keeping your characters as low level as possible, then laughing as the final boss dies in two hits because she's at level 6.

>>5446605
It's more fun to lvl up on the Island Closest to Hell, having fun with various set-ups and limit breaks. Never was a fan of low-level shit or using the cards to power myself up.

>>5445778

>>5446571
Kids these day are lucky with grinding games. We now have the loot shooter grindy games along with the RPGs. Good times to be alive right now if you love hardcore grinding. Too bad some newer games attach microtransactions to their games. I still play heavy grind games.

>>5445778
Epic and based like everything else on N64. Truly the golden age of nintendies

>>5446753
rent free

>>5446758
I meant that unironically tho
t. Guy who plays N64 every day

>>5445778
The Battle Frontier for Gens 1 & 2.

>>5446485
Fight battles and deposit in the PC, and your stats go up even at level 100.

So it's gen1/2 Pokémon without the RPG? Sounds pretty fucking based, I always thought it was a game where you take pictures of Pokémon...
Is the AI any good in this? Do Pokémon level the same and learn moves the same way as the main Pokémon games?

>>5447490
>I always thought it was a game where you take pictures of Pokémon...
That's Pokemon Snap.
>Is the AI any good in this?
It cheats like all get out
>Do Pokémon level the same and learn moves the same way as the main Pokémon games?
Everything's preset levels for the most part (usually 50 or 100). There are Pokemon already available with shitty stats and preset moves, but you can and should use the ones you raised on the cartridge. You can play the Game Boy Pokemon games on the N64 like a Super Game Boy (2x and 3x speed even unlockable).

The minigames are fun. The rest is pretty boring

>>5447490
The AI is a cheaty ass motherfucker and you get preset Pokemon unless you use the Transfer Pak with your copy of the Gameboy games. I wouldn't say it feels unfinished if you don't do this but it is a feature.

>>5447490
Kill. self.

>>5447553
>>5446327
>Karate Chop
>Normal
Huh.

>>5447570
Gust was normal too. And psychics were immune to ghost. Want me to keep going?

>>5447526
>you can and should use the ones you raised on the cartridge. You can play the Game Boy Pokemon games on the N64 like a Super Game Boy
This is based
But how does AI in Pokémon cheat?
>>5447553
Not happening bud

>>5446165
It was also how you got a Pikachu with Surf, which let you do the minigame in yellow

IT MANAGED TO HANG ON BY THE SKIN OF IT'S TEETH.

>>5446383
>he doesn't know that rare candies cause shit stat growth

>>5447746
IT'S A ONE HIT KNOCKOUT

>>5447828
>he doesn't know about the box trick

>>5447716
The CPU will read your actions and act accordingly. For example, if you're up against a Zapdos and have a water-type, it will naturally use Thunderbolt if you don't switch. But if you switch to say a grass-type, Zapdos will use Drill Peck the SAME turn. A human opponent wouldn't know to use it until the switch has actually happened.

Also I don't have any proof but I'm pretty sure it fudges percentages in the CPU's favor too.

>>5447828
I kinda like where this game is going, anon. I'd play that game.

I was at the event when they were demoing it at my local mall before release.

>rent it from blockbuster
>they didn't give me the transfer pak
>play with the rentals a bit
>get rekt
>go play the mini games by myself instead
Later on me and some friends rented it again to play the mini games in 4P, it was worth it.

>>5447968
>A human opponent wouldn't know to use it until the switch has actually happened.

>What is predicting an obvious switch.

>>5448982
>not predicting their prediction and staying in

>>5446327
Wow that's basically a meta team

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Stadium games actually fix some of the infamous gen one glitches all the /vp/ kids spout about in these infograph pics posted everyday to shit on gen 1?

>>5449174
And you're using NFE's 5 levels lower than that Alakazam. It's so hard to beat that official guides say stuff like "use a transfer pack, or pray he doesn't pick Alakazam. If he does, you lose"

>>5449184
I know the "gen 1 miss" isn't a thing there

Never played 2, but Pokemon Stadium was awesome. Gave you a great post-game for Gen 1 with good rewards, and cool mini-games. Plus seeing your Pokemon battle in 3D was awesome.

>>5449184
They did. A few notable changes:
>Hyper Beam always requires a recharge
This might be the intended behavior, but honestly it's more fun with Hyper Beam kills not requiring a recharge. Lots of people prefer the cartridge rules over Stadium when playing on simulators for this reason.
>Substitute blocks status effects.
>Focus Energy now works (it did nothing in the cartridge version)

>>5449209
>(it did nothing in the cartridge version)
It quartered your crit rate because they accidentally made it divide instead of multiply.

>>5445931
>I didn't realize you could win more money by beating the Elite 4 over and over again.
Ex-fucking-scuse me?

>>5448982
>>5449037
The point is if you don't switch, the AI will know in advance and zap you to death. If you do switch, it will know in advance and peck you to death.

You will never be as dissappointed as a 90s kid finding out that these games you looked forward to were not going to be a real pokemon rpg adventure, but just battles.

The minigames are top tier in multiplayer.

>>5449335
I had it as a 90s kid and thought the game was fucking awesome.

>>5449235
I see this happen to a lot of stats in other games.How do you even mess that up? I get programming in Assembly is weird but even a ComSci first year can do it properly.

>>5449335
I'm just as disappointed every time a game I look forward to is released.

>>5447968
I just tested it with an emulator and the hard computer doesn't seem to change his attacks. I tested it with Wobbuffet too, and it always picks Mirror Coat against Blastoise regardless of which move you pick.

>>5449461
On some keyboards, the division sign is next to the multiply sign, making it an easy typo. That, and critrate's something that's not really tangible, so one might get a couple lucky crits in a row while testing it, and instantly think it works.

>>5449464
I should also point out I tried several times to see if it was RNG and Zapdos used the electric move every time. The Azumarill getting hit screencap came from my third reload.

>>5445840
Wheres the virtual console of stadium 1 and 2 that hooks up to vc pokemon gen 1 and 2?

>>5449514
Theres none.

>>5445840
the fact you can only get Earthquake on Gligar through Stadium 2 despite it being a TM in the same gen pissed me off

>>5449516
Well, whats the point?

>>5449518
It's the beauty of it. You get an exclusive Gilgar you can't get normally in the game.

>>5449464
Hes some anti-gen1/2 guy from plebbit. People make shit up for upvotes all the time.

RIDE THAT SURF!

>>5445778
It's pokemon red and blue post game.
3 pokemon only, and you don't get to swap out before your foe sends in the next pokemon. The AI can be a little more challenging than the typical story mode character.
I only ever played the original Pokemon Stadium, but it seems like the sequel has a load of interesting tourneys with restrictions, where you have to only use pokemon under a certain weight or something.
There's some amusing minin game distractions, really boggles my mind that they have yet to make a full game out of the concept. It'd be a real Mario Party killer.
If you have a gameboy game and a transfer pak, you can use your own pokemon in the battles, store them so you can start a new game without losing them, as well as organize the pokemon and use items on them in a speedier fashion than you could in the gameboy cart. Also a way of gifting friends a pokemon without needing to catch a shitmon to trade off.
You could play the gameboy game on your TV, and if you've made progress in the stadium mode, you can play it at double or triple speed for less painful level grinding. There was a more challenging version of the pokemon league, you could earn prizes like the starters and other missable pokemon, and pokemon with special movesets, and it all ends with a battle against a souped up Mewtwo, which triggers the credits scene.

It was good shit. Beats the post game of some of the modern games.I've been meaning to replay I'it but I don't want to play the gameboy game at regular speed, but I don't want to play the game itself with rental pokemon.

>>5449184
>>5449201
>>5449209
When people play competitive Gen 1, as weird as it is some people do, Pokemon Stadium is used exclusively because it fixed a lot of bullshit. One of the biggest changes is that if you kill a opponent with Hyper Beam you will have to recharge on the next turn, something which you able to bypass the recharge. This gave Tauros basically a free win against anything not named Chansey, Golem, and Rydon, not counting Mew and Mewtwo. Even still things like Tauros and Alakazam still tear through most other pokemon.

Pokemon can change colors via name.

Gif not related.

>>5449561
I love the announcer. I love how Stadium makes pokemon battling seem like a sport like the anime does in a way that the games fail to. You get cheering audiences and an enthusiastic commentator, instead of just battling in an isolated room.

>>5449629

>>5449682

>>5449629
>>5449682
All I did was add a "male" symbol to my Mewtwo's name and it made him reddish with a green mouth.. I never nickname pokemon so I thought he was just special at the time.

>>5449718
Yeah. Someone had a red laffing.

I found this. https://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/buzz/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000237;p=1

>>5449741
Koffing not laffing.

>>5449235
I forgot about that, I just remembered it was useless. But not only was it useless, it actually had a negative effect.
>>5449612
I used to play Gen 1 competitively a bunch, cartridge rules were almost always used for simulator battles. I haven't played in a few years, but it looks like Pokemon Showdown uses cartridge by default and it's still the standard format for Pokemon Perfect, which is the main competitive community these days (at least it was when I stopped playing). Pokemon Stadium was played exclusively for a while on Pokemon Online before they added the cartridge rules, but afterwards cartridge became the default and Stadium wasn't used as often.

>>5449765
>>5449209
Another notable Stadium change: Sleep only lasted 1-3 turns

>>5449563
> don't want to play the game itself with rental pokemon
I haven't tried it but this buffs rentals
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3907/

>>5449335
I played stadium first and was very disappointed how brain dead easy the gb games are.

>>5449319
And if all else fails, it'll pull a Critical Hit out of nowhere and crush you regardless of typing.

>>5449765
The IRC simulators always used Stadium rules. Back then, it was considered a no-brainer to use the bugfixed version.

>>5450003
I'm guessing it doesn't work on an everdrive? I can't stand fucky emulation so I don't fuck witth N64 emulators.

>>5451026
Lots of romhacks work on everdrive. Seems worth trying.

>>5450638
That's interesting. Using the bug-fixed version definitely seems like the obvious choice, so I assume it was just player preference at some point. I prefer cartridge over Stadium personally because the battles tend to go faster. I didn't really get into online battling until around 2012, so I missed the whole IRC period. First thing I tried when starting was NetBattle.

>>5449561
THE POKEMON ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TYPES.

>mfw I just muted the comentator

>>5451551
announcer is the best part
https://www.soundboard.com/sb/pokemonstadium
A MASSIVE EXPLOSION

>>5451216
Can you name some because i've been told 99% of N64 romhacks don't work on real hardware.

>>5449306
Same I didn't even try until like my 3rd play through in like Yellow

>>5451738
I can confirm that Banjo Dreamie, Oot randomizer, and Goldfinger run on version 2.5. Gold finger has terrible lag, especially on multiplayer.

>>5451738
Here's a list of some that work: https://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=5943.0

Of course not every hack out there will work, but there's no reason assume they won't. Playing romhacks on original hardware is actually one of the selling points of flashcarts.

>>5451645
It's funny but it got on my nerves after a while.
Besides, I like listening to the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRO110vpkKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxcuFAE_Z4s

why is Stadium 2 so expensive?

>>5452346
It was released in the last stretch of the N64 lifespan, and while they undoubtedly produced enough carts for the time, it's something most retro Pokemon fans will want to keep hold of in their personal collections.

Basically supply/demand.

But to be fair, at an average of about $35 it's not very expensive for an N64 game. Compared to other highly sought after titles such as CBFD.

>>5452346
It only sold around half of what the first did, but still has the Pokemon demand.

>has better 3D animations than any new Pokemon game in 2019
nothing personal.

>>5455364
Thank Hal.

>>5455364
The animations in the 3DS games are stupidly disappointing. When any pokemon takes damage all they do is flinch a tiny bit.