/vr/ - Retro Games

I will never stop pissing off kids on /v/

>>5442872
What tv?

>>5442894

I fell for the multiformat meme guys

>>5442976
Okay.

>>5442976
What do you plan on using it for?

>>5442872
Why does this piss of kids?

>>5442867
I remember seeing that little Trinitron in The Sopranos. But upon closer inspection, it seems to be a different model altogether.

>>5443264
I have that exact model. it's cute but it's small.

I just got rid of a lot of crap and now have an entire 10 feet wide wall at my disposal to use for my CRT and console setup. However, I have absolutely no clue what kind of furniture to use. Everything I see, I wouldn't even be able to fit half of my shit on.

>>5443324
Just go to thrift stores once a week until you see something. I've heard Thursdays are the best days for thrift stores but I don't know why. Used to think it was Saturdays cause of garage sales.

>>5442867
What kind of trinitron is that? It looks like a PC monitor but it's also kind of small and I can't see the model number on so I could google it for more info.

Also, Kirby's Dream Land 2 on a SNES is a nice combo even if the game itself is annoying to complete 100%. I seriously don't understand why Nintendo doesn't support the Super Gameboy mode anymore, especially for games like this one that actually used some of the advantages.

>>5443248
/v/ doesn’t understand the appeal of playing games on a CRT

>>5443264
>>5443756

That's a KV-9PT50
, OP pic is a KV-9PT40. Both very similar, though I believe the 40 is just a tad bit shallower. The 50 also comes with a stand but the attach rate of those found in the wild seems to be a crapshoot...

>>5443764
That's a strawman, actual millennials don't give shit.

>>5442867
How many of you anons have bought a PVM from ebay and is it really as bad as an option as people say?

>>5443160
For lots of 480p and 720p gaming eventually. Eventually once I have the space it will share a section of my gaming room with a Mitsubishi AM-3501r broadcast monitor.

>>5443787
>is it really as bad as an option as people say?
I'm about to find out here within a week.

>>5443803
Come back and update me anon. May I ask what model you purchased and at what price range?

>>5443787
Use UPS and say goodbye. Fed Ex 50/50. Local pickup or arrange for freight? 99% survival rate

>>5443787
I think the main problem buying online is 1. shipping damages that are more likely than not to occur, 2. not being able to properly check the geometry and display of the monitor and 3. price

>>5443805
I'd say it's 95% guaranteed to survive if it's moving one state over, 70% if two states, that's if it goes straight to your state with no stops for scans. If it needs to move through more than 2 different terminals before reaching your state then it's probably fucked cause too many people handling it and it's bound to be loaded/unloaded by one retard who doesn't care.

>>5443787
I took the gamble a few times. First 20" via PVM via FedEx. Was packaged okay but not ideally. Was damaged a bit and the picture was fucked. Second 20" PVM was in an amazing flight case via UPS. Arrived looking perfect but wouldnt power on because something inside broke. Finally, I bought new old stock VGA monitors packaged as they came from the factory. Arrived safely despite UPS obviously being careless (box had huge hole). The Styrofoam saved them.

>>5443787
My first PVM was an 14N6U I ordered off eBay. I think the Bezel got damaged while it was in transit, but it still worked perfectly fine on account of being packed very well. I still wouldn't recommend buying off eBay since you can almost always find a pro monitor for less elsewhere.

>>5443942
What would you say is a reasonable price range for a pvm over 12"?

>>5443949
I wouldn't pay more than $150 for an RGB-compatible monitor 14" or under.

>>5443956
What would be your low ball for that range? Trying to get a feel for the market's flexibility.

>>5443961
Not that anon but the market is gonna vary greatly by region. Anons in LA and NYC have greater supply so...

>>5443781
Thanks for the answer anon. That's some stuff I can read about during lunch tomorrow.

>max CRT resolution is 1920x1440
>set game to 1600x1200
>screens sets itself to 1920x1440
how do i stop this? im trying to solve it just from the nvidia control panel since Geforce experience tends to fuck up my resolutions if i try to do it with CRU.

>>5444083
Stop being an emubabby faggot

>>5444095
stop being triggered by technology

Reminder that discord trannies aren't welcome.

I forgot how hot CRTs make small rooms when they've been on for a couple hours.

>>5444254
Radiation has a tendency to do that.

>get newer flatscreen crt because i think it looks cooler
>the quality is worse
i know these are babbies first crts but damn i was disappointed when the older model was better in quality
should i really just get a trinitron?

>>5444287
>should i really just get a trinitron?
Sure. Otherwise, the manufacturers mentioned in the pastebin are also a safe bet.

>>5444259
>composite

>>5444083
step one: remove gayforce experience.
next, clear everything in CRU, add one resolution (your primary desktop mode).
then add custom resolutions in nvidia control panel and don't use anything else.
select scaling mode: no scaling
perform scaling on: display

many modern games now default to borderless windowed mode and do their own shitty upscaling, especially unity games are notorious for this. most likely this is what's causing your issue. you can use command line argument "-window-mode exclusive" to disable this for some unity games.

>>5444376
As intended

Half related. What would happen if I use an RGB scart cable designed for the PS1 on a PS2? Would it look worse in a tangible way?

>>5444259

>>5444403
Yes, if you’re autistic.

>>5444403
No, the video cables for PS1 & 2 are exactly the same. But for best video quality on PS2 just buy some PS3 component cables since they are dirt cheap, only costs $9. For some reason sellers are stupid and try to sell PS2 component cables for more money than PS3 component cables even though they are the same.

>>5444564
>sellers are stupid
Nah man it's the buyers that are stupid, otherwise they wouldn't move units and wouldn't be able to keep the price up. Most people don't research these things, they type in "ps2 cable" and pick the first result that looks close. Sometimes they even ask Alexa to shop for them. I see it happen with the more disposable income inclined.

>>5443942
>always find a pro monitor for less elsewhere.
GOD DAMIT WHERE

>>5444564
If you had actually used RGB cable on ps2 you would know that it is superior to component cable

>>5444645
Studios.
Call them and ask.

But this really depends on your location.

>>5444715
it's the same, cheap component cables don't count.

>>5444403
unless it's got 1000uf caps in it, do not do this.

>>5442976
>I fell for the multiformat meme guys
To be fair, it’s a fun meme.

>>5442867
I fucking hate CRT's. They always gave me headaches and weird itchy eye issues after playing for 1 hour or so. These things disappeared since I switched to LCD. Good riddance, and I so do not miss it.
It's weird finding out that there is an entire subculture revolving around worshipping CRT like it isn't some piece of shit but something worthy.

You guys are weird as fuck, did you know that?

>>5445071

>>5445071
I hope your eyes melt.

>>5445082
You don't have to worry, they won't since I'm not using CRT anymore.

>>5445071

This. I've been using CRTs for retro gaming, even bought a pvm when my 21" trinitron that I've bought in '92 broke beyond repair. One day I've hooked some of my stuff to my lcd, noticed no difference in input, controls etc. Sold my pvm and I'm never going back to it.

>>5445065
Not that anon, but the RGB output on the PS2 is noticeably more vibrant than component.

>>5443787
>How many of you anons have bought a PVM from ebay and is it really as bad as an option as people say?
I’ve been fortunate enough to never get a monitor messed up in shipping that was < 15”, but you can do better price-wise with a little patience and driving.

The one 20” I bought shipped off eBay had its neck board snapped in two on arrival, so I don’t buy anything at or above its size category anymore unless it’s a local pickup.

>>5444254
That's why I put my CRT in the coldest room of the house. In the winter, it's like having a built-in heater.

Since you guys know your shit very well I'll ask for some help.

I want to play NGC through my PC since I don't own a TV.

PC HW: Geforce GTX 1060 6gb, Asus Strix Z-370 F and Samsung Syncmaster SA350.

Currently I'm using Logilink VG0001 (picrelated) and the audio is just awful.

What would you suggest for comfy NGC playtime

My SFC produces these wavy lines that move up and down the screen when using composite video. When I switch to s-video cables it's perfectly stable. I'm thinking my composite cables are just shitty and poorly shielded but could there by anything internal going on that would only affect composite output?

>>5445309
Component->HDMI converter. Preferably one that will upscale 480i/480p to 1080p output. Better that than letting your monitor handle the scaling since most PC monitor scaling is terrible.

>>5445112
>RGB output on the PS2 is noticeably more vibrant than component.
there is no discernible difference. Stop using cheap cables.

>>5444287
>damn i was disappointed when the older model was better in quality
This is the problem when you're dealing with decades-old electronics. People with prattle on and on about one brand, make or model being better than another, but all that really matters at this point in time is the individual abuse that each set saw; a 25-year-old set can look nicer than a 15-year-old set if that 15-year-old set was left on for days at a time.

>>5444819
>this really depends on your location
Definitely. I've never found a single studio that still had any CRTs, or that cared enough to actually check or forward my call to the studio engineer department.

>>5445071
>this post again

>>5445360
Thx, just ordered it from Amazon.

>>5445395
Consider getting one with COMPONENT (Red, Green, Blue) cable support, not COMPOSITE (yellow).

>>5445390
>Definitely. I've never found a single studio that still had any CRTs, or that cared enough to actually check or forward my call to the studio engineer department.

I am in a shitty small American city. I have contacted the local news networks since the film industry doesn't exist here. News stations should have their engineers emails listed somewhere on their website or you can Google the information. All of the replies I received informed me the stations recycled everything years ago. Sad.

>>5445423
But my GC only has composite (rca) output.

Do all Sony BVMs/PVMs have those annoying "damping wires" running horizontally across the screen? I have a 1996 era 27in Trinitron TV and it has those wires and I can't ignore them.

>>5445454
I'd recommend getting a Wii and Component cables. Composite is going to look like ass and GC component cables are expensive.

>>5443764
>/mu/ doesn't understand the appeal of listening to music on vinyl

>>5442867
You should probably migrate to instagram

>>5445071
>You guys are weird as fuck, did you know that?

>>5445464
It’s inherent to the type of CRT display they have. Every aperture grille set (such as a Trinitron) has stabilizing wires like those.

You want something like a shadowmask CRT instead if the wires are too noticeable for you.

>>5445454
If you're willing to spend extra money you could buy the GC HD Mk II and then use wii component cables or an hdmi cable.

Selling a few 14inch pvm's in the Cincinnati area if anyone is interested

>>5446007
https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/vgm/d/independence-multiple-pvm-monitors-for/6844570964.html

>>5443248
Different anon, but I have a solid theory. There are tons of young, hipster kids who fancy themselves "retro" gamers, but are too young to have ever actually played these games authentically as kids, so they spend their time desperately trying to invalidate anyone old enough to have actually owned a Super Nintendo and a Trinitron as a child because to them, that's all that "gaming" is; an experience that you wear like a badge of honor and get likes and retweets for. The fact that many people in the community regard the use of actual hardware and a CRT to be integral to the charm of retro gaming makes them feel attacked, so they lash out.

tl;dr: babbys who aren't old enough to have ever used a CRT, but their girlfriends/moms won't let them bring one into the house

>>5443781
Pretty.

>>5446054
This probably does account for a lot of the hate. I personally tried to fill the void with emulation for a long time but loading games up on a PC to play with a USB controller while sitting in a desk chair just doesn't suck me in like going through a physical collection, firing up an old CRT with original hardware, and playing on the couch. It feels like more of a dedicated commitment with less distractions.

It might be sightly off-topic, but how are ancient plasma displays for 480p stuff ?
I could get a 852x480 Fujitsu one for next to nothing, and I'm wondering how Dreamcast and other 480p sources (I'm thinking DVD and old-ass 480p animu rips) would look on this.

Any leads on something good in the southern NH area? I'm struggling here.

>>5446167
Drive to NYC

Happy 6th Anniversary
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/15701/

>>5445065
What would happen if it doesn't have 1000uf caps?

>>5442872
>>5443084
These thick black scanlines looks awful and you know it.

>>5446208
Thanks for killing the CRT market

>>5446249
This is not the intended viewing distance, hope you know that

>>5446269
Then why does everyone post extreme close ups of all their CRTs

>>5446275
Thread is about the CRT technology and hardware, not how our eyes smooth everything together at the right sitting distance, which can't be captured on camera anyways

>>5446340
Explain that to the posers that disregard based composite.

>>5445654
For the Wii you can also get cheap component to HDMI sticks that plug directly into the Wii

>>5446159
It can look pretty good, but there are a slew of other factors to consider separate from crt concerns, some research is necessary

Since you guys know your shit, I've got a question because I want to know if I'm just being had or not.

I bought a Neo Geo CMVS off some guy, who claimed that it worked and that he had built it himself. I got it today after a month and a half of waiting and it came with a female VGA to male SCART cable.

I have two of those cheap Chinese SCART to HDMI converters. Neither of them work. I also tried a regular VGA cable, which did not work either.

The seller is insisting that it's because I don't have an RGB-compatible converter or whatever and that converting the SCART to component won't work because.. I have no idea this guy barely speaks English.

He insisted I try a different converter box before I return the damn thing as not working, but I don't see how that's going to make any kind of a difference. I ordered one that he told me would work, it'll be here on Wednesday.

Am I being had here?

>>5446638
theory : your CMVS is wired only with RGBS. The SCART-HDMI converters require some voltage on pin 16 to work with RGB, else they default to composite on pin 21 (which CMVS don't provide).

>>5442872
You were proven to be a buffoon the last time I saw you on there.

Is a Sony PVM-1343MD good at $100? I'm not getting around to rgb yet, just svideo so I'm not even sure if this is a good investment for later.

>>5446770
If it's in good condition, yes. RGB is the biggest reason to get a PVM in the first place.

>>5446775
The guy didn't post a screenshot so I can't say for sure. If I'm not using rgb right now then what kind of monitor should I get? It just seems difficult to justify a set of $60 cords just to get a slight jump in quality.

>>5446824
Since that monitor in question doesn't support component and has a lower TVL than newer pro monitors, you could wait until a larger or better one turns up. Still, $100 isn't a bad price for an introduction to RGB.

>>5446275
>Then why does everyone post extreme close ups of all their CRTs

A good closeup shows how the technology tricks you into thinking that 3 colors of varying intensity are actually an individual color.

>>5446845
Thanks anon.
Here's the item. I offered 75 and he bumped it to 100. It would have been a 4 hour drive anyway.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/273762436309?_trksid=p2487261.m570.l6345&_trkparms=gh1g%3DI273762436309.N101.S1.R1.TR6&autorefresh=true

Guess I'll keep calling production studios until one of them gives me a lead.

>>5446098
Emulation done right is fine. Example: SNES on Wii with a CRT can be comfy. Emulating on PC is absolutely soulless and even more so if you're outputting to a LCD monitor or TV.

>>5446918
What about those old grey tv's.

>>5446770
Yeah, that's not a bad deal. I have the 20 inch variation, the 2043md. 600 TVL + RGB, though slightly older than a lot of the PVMs you see pop up (these are early 90s) so expect higher hours (but they may have only been turned on during certain exams, which could mean a relatively good tube.) Still, a very good picture for that price

>>5443787

Let me preface this by saying in all honestly a large 29" or bigger consumer CRT with component is much better for gaming. PVMs are like a 9/10 high maintenance women, looks impressive to friends but a 7/10 can fuck just as well, less drama/stress and probably also knows how to cook.

13" "broken" bvm for $90 shipped. When turned on an "overload" light and shutdown. This means brightness and contrast were cranked up too high and the built in protection was tripping. I got it, opened it (no key so had to take off the bezel), adjusted the pots and it's worked perfectly. Literally it wasn't adjusted was the only thing wrong.

9" pvm with RGB (some don't have) for $35 shipped because it was "parts or repair only." It wasn't broken, just it didn't display "static" when turned on, though the power light worked. Basically the seller was dumb and thought a PVM had a tuner built in, also the black levels are so good that you can't tell it's on.

20" medical PVM with utterly flawless geometry and all the "splash guarding" for the knobs. This one cost a lot, $600 shipped. I feel I overpaid for this, but it's a very nice set with an extra card installed, so it's a little better deal than would first appear. No ragrets.

The 20" (UPS) arrived perfectly, boxed surrounded with foam, then that box was boxed in another box filled with foam. This is the best way short of freight and pallets. 13" came in double boxed but it was a lightweight used outer box. The box was exploded (FedEX) with the rack mount bracket poking through the inner box. The rack mount ear was bent, but easily fixed. This one scared me as the outer box looked literally exploded but it didn't really hurt anything.

9" was covered in cardboard and boxed in a sturdy box with packing peanuts, it was in the same state as me so minimal shipping, gas was higher than shipping. No damage. 9" is too small to effectively game on but it's small enough that it is probably the best for shipping.

>>5444254
Anon, you ought to see what a 55" plasma does to a house in the summertime. I have to shut it off after an hour or two of use or it overpowers my central air. I spend most of my time in the living room since my computer is there. In the winter I keep my house at 64-66 degrees and it's always toasty in there if the tv is on.

>>5444287
I have a Sharp flat screen and it's sexy AF with much better geometry than a flat trinitron. Trinitrons (especially curved) are pretty good but I find myself craving shadow mask.

>>5446098
I'm not shitting on emulation, but to me, it's like drinking instant coffee vs. percolator/french press/pour over. Sure you get the caffeine kick but you're missing out on some of the nuance and flavor.

Boys I'm telling you. Medical supply resellers are the way to go. They've usually got a good bit of old endoscopy and ultrasound rigs around, they're usually dumb fucks, and the medical PVMs are on average going to having the lowest hours. Most cities are going to have at least one within a reasonable distance. Met some dude last year that had a storage unit full of monitors. Picked up two super clean 20L2MD's for $250.

>>5447080
>food analogy

>>5447125
I worked at a medical clinic that had like 4 ~25" PVMs and never paid them any mind. I think the boss thought they were shit, too. If he had ever asked me to replace them, I probably would have trashed them...
YIKES!

Just tried to move my CRT to another room and I forgot to unplug the cables.
Now, there are tiny remains of the RCA plugs left in the Component ports of the TV.
Now, how do I pull out the remains of the RCA plug from my TV?
Pic related is what the plugs look like, it's from the blue cable (the plugs from the green and red cables are stuck in the TV, but thankfully, not the blue plug).

>>5447125
Or even catch online auctions when a hospital is relocating or upgrading all of their old equipment. There are a few sites that host these regularly and you can land these PVMs for $50-$200 most of the time. But yeah, this anon gets it.

>>5446638
>>5446692
Cheapo SCART to HDMI boxes only work with the composite signal and ignore the RGB, if the SCART cable/CMVS is only giving RGB + csync out converter box is only seeing black on the input.

>>5447125
Seconding this. I missed out on a GVM-2020 at one of these auctions for $32 that was in my city just because I was AFK when someone outbid me.

>>5447209
Hell there, Cthulhu.

>>5447309
no they don't, they actually follow the standard
if you have the proper voltage on pin 16 it will work with RGB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtWa3FZoZo0

>>5447209
>there are tiny remains of the RCA plugs left in the Component ports of the TV.
Depends what part. The center pin? A screw may be able to get enough grab on them to pluck them out. A good pair of needle nose pliers may be able to work the pieces out.

>>5446054
It pisses off "kids" because you care about technology first and gaming second. Physical hardware people sound like they only fire up a game because it lets them connect with the old electronics they're obsessed with. This is what pushes you to make a distinction between gaming and retro gaming: it's not about the game, it's about the shit you surround yourself with while playing and nostalgic immersion. At least emulation babies cut the bullshit and discuss the game itself rather than how they chose to play it, because to them, a retro game is not an experience, it's just a game that happens to be old

>>5447675
Hardware is part of "retro gaming". You can debate it all you want, but collection of authentic components including a CRT tv is a big part of the experience. You don't have to like it, and that is fine. I don't understand emulation faggots one bit, but the only thing that matters is if YOU enjoy YOUR experience. How you think others should derive joy is totally irrelevant.

>>5447569
I have a cheapo SCART to HDMI box with me right now that doesn't connect the RGB pins at all.

For 240p retro games is there a qualitative difference between s-video, RGB, or Component on a standard non-professional television?

RGB and component are equally matched if their respective processing circuits are equally good(even when they're not, it's almost never a big enough difference to worry about). S-Video is slightly worse than the two of them and will exhibit bleeding in color transitions from red to black, but overall is a pretty sharp image and a big improvement from composite.

>>5448173
meant for >>5448080

ZOMFG I JUST SCORED THREE PVMS FOR ABSOLUTELY FREE!

>>5448194
Nice, anon :)
Cherish them.

>>5448221
I will anon! All it took was a cold call (I walked in the front door really) of my local news station. They were close to getting recycled and supposedly I tapped them out. I will share pictures later when I pick them up.

hi,

Guy is selling this 27" Sony Trinitron with this bass thing for $80.

He still needs to send me a pic that shows whether the TV supports Component in. Need it for Guncon2 games.

Is $80 worth it? It already includes bass, so I figure I'd save on sound as this probably provides enough lows.

>>5448550
I'd hesitate to pay over 40 for a consumer grade trinitron. If the trouble and money of having to go get speakers separately is worth $80 to you then yeah, I'd say it's worth it.\

Don't fall for the SCART meme.

>>5445395
i have one of these and it doesn't do jackshit. what gives.

Also general inquiry; i want to play my snes on the best possible picture quality/color and stuff like that. i guess scanlines included. can someone explain to me the whole thing about RGB on snes and what type of CRT to look out for? anything would help.

>>5448550
I wouldn't pay quite that much, maybe offer him $60. If you're willing to wait as long as it takes, something similar will surely show up eventually for free.

>>5448576
>having to go get speakers separately
I may just be an audiofag, but I feel like everyone should get speakers, or at least people who buy RGB monitors. If you care so much about making your games look the best, why not make sure they sound the best, too?

>>5447139
Coffee isn't food, it's a drug/drink.

>>5447125
Also I've found the geometry is usually pretty damn good on them. Shitty geometry in a medical situation leads to dead or lawsuits. I'm sure most places would have them calibrated often.

>>5448682
Not to mention they are kept in a sterile environment (dust free, no roach horror stories) and are usually ventilated better due to being used as standalone units

>>5448680
Coffee is a beverage. Caffeine is a narcotic.
>Narcotics and Marijuana

Just picked up a Toshiba 24AF44 and it looks really good with HD Retrovision cables. Any advice on settings to tweak for better video/audio? As I understand it, edge enhancement can only be turned off from the service menu, is that right?

>>5448194
>>5448221
>>5448348
This one is giving me the ol red light. No static. Any suggestions?

anyone in the seattle vancouver area selling any consumer trinitrons or PVMS?

>>5447125
>Medical supply resellers
how do I find them in my area? I just cant seem to find one.

>>5446264
honestly, retards selling their old tvs for above >$50. im also to blame

>>5448926
Dear God...

>>5449056
How do you like those colors? I'd personally try to tweak it a little as the R in Mario should be a lighter purple and his skin/Press Start are looking a little jaundiced... but that's great for a free find

>>5449067
Honestly I was taken aback by how vibrant it was. I was half expecting it to all be a meme and it would look just like any crt. And yeah I'm still tweaking the settings on that one. Got a few things due tonight so adjusting these bad boys isn't my biggest concern yet.
Out of the three models which would you say has the best stats?

>>5447209
best bet is to safely open and discharge TV, then push the pins out from the inside

Sometimes the picture on my PVM gets dark and sometimes it has vertical bars of alternating dark/bright. I am scared. Pls sent help. Ironically when I try to take a photo it looks normal.

>>5445069
>not in /bst/ this time
Anon I feel comfortable here saying that I have loved your setup for months

>>5445069
what's a multiformat?

>>5447125
This man knows his stuff, because I found an 18 inch trinitron with BNC component at my job in a hospital. Picked it up for free because it was being recycled, things a sexy beast but I feel like I'm not setting it up right.

>>5449307
lower your g2 voltage

>>5449331
syncs to sd and hd resolutions of up to 1080i usually.

Just picked up this 30 inch Samsung HDCRT (TXN3075WHF) for 25 bucks on Craigslist. I'm upgrading from a generic 17 inch JVC and thrilled to have component hookups now. Two things though, the TV makes a nasty buzzing for about 90 seconds after powering on but then goes away. Second, is there a way to adjust the screen size at all? In 16:9 mode on the Wii it is overscanning and my autism is having a hard time not having everyone on the screen the way it should be as it would be in 4:3. Doing a grid test with 240p suite the alignment is kind of fucked up but there are no menu options to fix this (unless there are options in a service mode menu?).

>>5447309

Follow-up question then. I don't have a TV that takes SCART natively because who does. Is there some way I can convert the RGBS signal to Component without it fucking up? I have a TV that can take Component natively, but also have a Retrotink and one of those Micomsoft capture cards that natively supports 240p.

So why are Montgomery Ward tvs so coveted in the retro crt community, are they special or just expensive cause the company doesn't exist anymore?

>>5449420
This is the first time I've heard of them being desirable. I have a 27" one with color issues. The main reason I bought it was because it was the oldest set I had ever seen with an S-Video input, so that might have something to do with it.

>>5445107
Based

Why are trinitron so big? I really want one but damn.
Pic related what I'm using

>>5449390
the buzzing sound is normal. It's pretty obvious you never grew up with one lol. As for your other issue I just don't know, but it might just have to due with it being a flat panel unless it's just way too out of spec.

>>5449083
Well this one looks identical to my BVM-20F1U, so if you really got it for free, that's a wild deal. Did they give you the control unit too?

>>5448550
If it's not a 100hz model then honestly, go for it. The sets with this sound setup aren't too easy to come by and generally are in shitty condition for whatever reason.

>>5445365
What game is that?

>>5445360
Is there a lag with these? Because I've been looking into those as well.

A regular-sized PVM here would cost me around 300 jewros, is that even realistic?

>>5445071
LCD is soulless

>>5449685
They're not necessarily big. Consumer Trinitrons come as small as 13".

>>5450005
What do you mean by regular-sized? $300 isn't a bad price nowadays if it's a 20-inch.

>>5450217
I got that same unit on my desk. 13" + component. Paid $10. Maximum comfort achieved.

>>5449734
>Did they give you the control unit too?
If he hasn't got it then that monitor's a rather overspecified doorstop.

The BKM-10R communication protocol is in the OP though, so it could be controlled that way via an RS485 (?) serial connection from a PC. Best to get hold of a BKM though, really.

>>5449734
>Did they give you the control unit too?
Fuck yeah they did. I had a feeling it might be that one, but I can't make any use of the inputs on the back since I don't have rgb yet.

>>5450326
Which input cards do you have?

>>5450386
Input cards? oh boy, here we go...

>>5450392
What's with the spoiler? It's a genuine and appropriate question. Certain ones provide NTSC/PAL/both decoding so a composite input could be used while anon gets their head around RGB/YPbPr.

>>5450397
I honestly thought you might chew me out for having three pvms and having no idea how to use them.
I don't suppose you're talking about the interchangeable inputs on the back are you?

>>5450410
>I don't suppose you're talking about the interchangeable inputs on the back are you?
You suppose right. That looks like a 21D on the left. This means you have NTSC and PAL capability and can use composite from either region once you get the inputs properly configured in the menu.

>>5450421
oh so the "digital analog" card is for composite inputs? Good thing I ordered a bnc adapter last night.

>>5450430
It will accept digital SDI signal (pretty much useless for you), Composite (NTSC and PAL), RGB (sync on green or in conjunction with the sync connector on the main analogue card) and YPbPr component. Manual here:

https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/business-professional/bkm-21d

There will be a certain amount of configuration needed. Refer to the monitor's manual for that:

https://pro.sony/s3/cms-static-content/operation-manual/3862434151.pdf

>>5450452
Thanks anon! You're probably the most helpful person on 4chan.
Just out of curiousity what do you use for audio output on this monitor since it has no speaker. And do you have any recomendations on what to do about rgb and nintendo consoles. My collection is mostly nintendo stuff, but I'm slowly amassing the means for sega and playstation gaming.

This question is for everyone; is there a way to get s-video or rgb on your nes without it costing as much as the console itself? It seems like this can't be done without paying upwards of $140 dollars, not including necessary cables. If there was ever a console that needed picture clarity it's that one.

>>5450470
I don't really use any of my BVMs these days as they're a bit of a pain to set up and my 27" Profeel and PVM-2950QM suit me better. I used an Altec Lansing 4.1 THX setup back then though. Any mid-70s to mid-80s Japanese amplifier/receiver and a decent set of bookshelf/standpoint speakers would be a good solution too. Just get magnetically shielded speakers if you plan on placing them with a few feet of the BVM.

Can't really help you on Nintendo RGB as I'm a Sega/Sony guy. I do have a couple of Nintendo consoles but they tend to gather dust and I never liked the company's video output gimping shenanigans.

>>5450505
>standpoint
standmount*

>>5450326
Awesome, congrats on that. People pay big money for that set. You can actually see the number of hours used on that one and once you get RGB consoles you're pretty much at the pinnacle for everything up to 5th-gen (great for PS2 too)

>>5450470
I don't know much about an NES setup but your easiest solution for SNES is goin g to be finding a 1-CHIP console on eBay which will give you a great RGB signal without any modifications (though there are mods that make the image even better). They're floating around at $70-80

>>5450505
Thanks for the advice.

I could swear I heard not to skimp when it comes to getting a scart cable so I'm not sure what to do there. Plus theres like a thousand different versions of the same cable.

>>5450530
Gee I didn't realize I had made out so well.

>>5450539
so the 1-chips actually natively support it? Dang. Well I guess I can just sell the ones I have and get a 1-chip.

>tfw I bet on a TV I wasn't 100% sold on and nobody is bidding at 4 hours remaining

It's not the end of the world if I win it cause I can afford it but I'm still hoping someone swoops in at the last minute to outbid me.

>>5450550
Actually, to clarify all fat SNES output RGB, though the mini version that came out late in its cycle needs a mod (but arguably has the best image out of all of them once modded). A 1CHIP is going to give you a very clear signal while earlier versions won't be quite as sharp (but still better than any S-Video or composite). As for the SCART cables, you can spend big to buy from Retro Gaming Cables in the UK, and I have one of those, but I've also been using the cables found here: https://insurrectionindustries.com/shop/ and think they're a very good quality for a lower price, I think $23 for the SNES one.

>>5450539
when it comes to the 1-chip, does any serial number above un31 have it? I found a un9
>>5450583
oh thank god something under $30

>>5450585
It looks like all 1CHIPs start with UN3, only way to know for sure after finding these serial numbers is to open it up or buy from a reputable seller who has photo proof
https://www.retrorgb.com/1chipsnes.html

>>5450598
ah dang. okay I think I'll stick with the one I have ordered for now and if I come across one I'll get it and sell the other. Any recommendations on a scart to rgb cable?

>>5450610
Do you mean the SCART to BNC adapter (the one that actually plugs into the monitor?) This is what I have for the 20F1U, it will be pricier but you'll be able to use it with any of your RGB consoles for this monitor
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-pvm-scart-converter-bnc

>>5450610
Forgot to mention, you'll want to buy three 75ohm BNC terminator plugs. They're two or three dollars a piece tops and can be found on a shit ton of websites. These go into the outputs that aren't being used. Your SCART-BNC will be plugged into your monitor's R, G, B, and Ext Sync inputs respectively, so just plug these into the R/G/B out. If you don't have them your picture will be way too bright and won't be accurate. They make a huge difference.

>>5450634
oops yeah that's what I meant. Thanks man. Does the snes plug work with other nintendo consoles as well?
>>5450650
Will do. I have one on there already.

>>5450656
It will work with a modded N64 that has csync enabled. Modded N64s are some of the cheapest modded consoles out there, but if the modder did not install csync then you'd have to buy a different cable

>>5450667
What about the other consoles? Would it be cheaper just to get the cable?

This game had cool visuals

>>5448926

Turn down your brightness and contrast. It's probably too high.

>>5450761
That snes cable might actually also work with an RGB modded NES, but don't quote me on that one as I'm not as sure. As for PSX and PS2, both are already RGB capable, you'd just need one of these plugged into your scart to bnc adapter: https://insurrectionindustries.com/product/sony-playstation-rgb-scart-cable/

You fuckers better not

>>5450923
I said you fuckers better not. Then one of you did.

>>5450923
>>5450928
Schizopost?

>>5450928
>>5450950
Bitch don't try me

>>5451005
Sorry man, you sounded like a crazy person without context. Congrats, those usually sell for a lot more right?

>>5450835
turned everything down and it's still giving me the red light.
>>5450912
I'd certainly hope it would. What about gc and wii though? Thanks for the link.

>>5451014
I was scared to give context until after the auction (but I also wanted to sound a bit crazy). PC CRT monitors are currently less sought than PVMs so they usually don't go for too much more than what I paid but I would say it is on the higher end of PC CRTs with it going up to 2048x1536@130kHz (unsure of its dot pitch).

>>5451032
GC is complicated and expensive. You'd be paying a fortune for the official component cables (though I think one of these cable companies is coming out with a cheaper alternative right about now). If you wanted to run in RGB it would require some modding for neglible returns, since component will look good.
https://www.retrorgb.com/gamecubecompare.html
Your cheapest route would be to use a Wii with component cables to play both GC and Wii on this monitor. These cables are only a few dollars. Just be sure to set your Wii to 480i and the monitor to component and ext sync. But keep in mind that both of these consoles would look better in 480p, which this monitor doesn't support

>>5448592
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k2HVB9S8CA

>>5451081
That's some really helpful advice. My only comment is that I recently bought a gamecube gameboy player, and I know that the zelda 25th aniversary disc only works in the gamecube. either way you answered it. I guess the problem was I didn't know that RGB and component were completely separate things.

Got my first PVMeme bros
Playing Saturn with S-video

FINALLY got a lead on who has some PVMs in my area! After calling production companies for the past week I got in touch with an individual that has been in the field for about 35 years. I found his number online called him today and he said hew would look around in his basement to see what hes got. I'm dumb fuckin excited rn I've been on the hunt for so long boys I hope something turns up

>>5451114
Congrats, anon, I can imagine that good feeling.
You think he might even give you one for free? Sounds like one of those nice "Eh just take it, boy!" guys.

>>5451127
Maybe, I did tell him he's the first lead I have had thats turned anything up. But he did asking if I was looking to rent or buy or something like that. Either way these might be the only PVMs within a 250 mile radius of where I live so I'm pretty excited regardless.

I have a lead as where to get PVM but it is 200 miles away
Wat do

>>5451145
Drive the 200 miles and enjoy the trip. I did a 12-hour roundtrip drive for a couple of PVMs recently and made a couple of detours along the way (some of the best retro gaming stores are just off of major highways), it was a good time.
>>5451091
Anytime. It's a lot to take in at first but you'll quickly learn. Post in one of these threads if you run into any problems with the BVM.

>>5451174
I'd have to get a license first unless I get my dad to drive me .-.
The monitors are listed as $75 a piece

The PVM-8042Q is RGB right? It's the only one that's affordable on eBay.

>>5451258
Yes, but it's a small 8" preview/field monitor. I have the PVM-9042QM, which I think is the same just for the EU market. I wouldn't recommend it for gaming unless you know how small it's going to be. If you can get it for really cheap it's a neat item to have though.

>>5450564
Just got home and found out I won the auction. Fuck me, here's to a $200 doorstep with just VHF & UHF screws kek. If it doesn't get smashed in transit maybe I'll just cover it like the seller did for another half century and sell it to a museum.

>>5451032
>What about gc and wii though?
buy PAL one, they support rgb scart. You need to modchip gamecube to play ntsc games(easy), and wii is piss easy to softmod and plays ntsc games no problem

This is a fair deal right?

>>5449857
Ape Escape 3

>>5451765
I thought that game took place in Detroit

here's a question: is 5 CRTs too many?

Is this a good deal or not?

>>5451773
I would only own two, one for use and the other a backup.

Can anyone tell if this is RGB?

>>5451793
My guess is that the bottom row is R/G/B in and out + Ext Sync, with S-video on the far left. See if the seller can send you a closeup pic

FFFFFUUUUUUCCCCKKKKK
Guys I need your help. I'm a stupid fucking zoomer and I think I probably missed out on something actually pretty worthwhile. I decided to finally see what the hell a trinitron actually looked like and when I searched it up IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE TV I HAD WHEN I LIVED IN MY OLD HOUSE THAT I WOULD ALWASY PLAY GAMES ON! Now tell me, are later model Trinitrons actually good or are they kinda shit? I know they are always mentioned and there's no way I can get it now that it's been like 3 years, but I'm midly upset I didn't do something to try and save it and like sell it or something. Pic related is the one I had.

>>5451831
Chillax those are worth $20-$50

>>5451841
Alright thanks man. Still miss that tv though. It was my main tv for awhile and was there when I started getting into /vr/ shit, along with what I used to always play games with friends with.

>>5451831
Almost all Sony colour TVs are Trinitron, they're generally pretty nice but it's not like zomg they're the #1 TVs for everything.

>>5451936
They sure can be #1, but only a few models. Generally they're at the very least pretty nice as you say but arguably the best consumer sets are Trinitrons.
There are a fair few manufacturers that almost all the time can go toe-to-toe with Trinitrons but they're not as safe a bet.

>>5451780
It's about average if it has rgb. 20" and up is where they get really high.

Can't find RGB crt in russia. All the TVs I've seen were composite PAL.

Thinking of selling this, anyone want it and for how much

>>5452206
$10 shipped

My buddy is giving me his kv32xbr48 today. I'll post pics later when I have it set up

>>5452262
Why the fuck would you have a CRT shipped you dense retard? You’re begging for it to be broken when it arrives

>>5452206
Where are you from? I’ll give you $15 for it so I can use it as a stand for my 1702

>>5452530
It was a pretty obvious joke, little one. It'd cost a good deal more than 10 just to ship it.

>>5452206
Again don’t ask here. A collector would be interested in that as it’s rare, but people buying them for video games not so much

>>5452338
So I got the TV but I can't get the picture right. Anyone with this set can send me their settings?

>>5452687
What’s wrong with it?

>>5452734
Colors too saturated

>>5452206
Where?

>>5452687
Reset the picture to factory settings. Sony was pretty good about those settings being close to NTSC standard. If you want to calibrate it somewhat accurately, display a SMPTE pattern and go into the service menu and turn off all the colors except blue. Adjust tint and color till the blue bars are all even

What's the best way to use a 100Hz 4:3 SDTV? One that has RGB SCART input. Accidentally bought one at the flea market, didn't notice the tiny 100 hz logo in the corner. It's a 29' Toshiba but it has Grundig guts. Tips?

>>5451201
Underage?

>>5452206
I second >>5452759's question, where? It's not worth making an offer if you're not close enough to me to come get it.

>>5452867
Oh sorry, florida

>>5452962
Too bad, I'd be interested but I'm 1000 miles away.

If I wanted to play atari and intellivision on a pvm/bvm what would be the best way to do that if I don't care too much for the color correctness?

Help me!
screen is only green on PVM

>>5453281
Which console and cables?

>>5453289
Wii with 3rd party component cables

>>5453294
>Wii with 3rd party component cables
Are you running the TV in PAL or RGB?

>>5453294
Your PVM is likely expecting RGB instead of YPbPr. Configure the input for component YPbPr, if the PVM is capable of it.

>>5453294
Check for a switch on the back to switch been RGB and Component. (RGB / COMP)

>>5453298
>Are you running the TV in PAL or RGB?
>PAL or RGB
lolwut

>>5453307
>lolwut
I don't own a PVM, so forgive my misunderstanding. I was trying to ask the same thing you were but didn't know the exact methods that the monitor used. If they have a switch for RGB or Component, that is great info. I also didn't know if there is a switch to work between NTSC & PAL.

>>5453307
OK I thought the COMP meant composite because it looked shitty. But now it is working.

>>5452863
20 yo NEET

There's a guy near me selling 4 monitors.
A 13in Trinitron PVM-14L1
A 15in JVC TM-H150CG
And 2 10in JVC TM-A101G
Which should I cop? I dunno which have the better picture qualities and features.
This is in the US so they don't have SCART.
I'm looking to play things like Ps1 and Gamecube

>>5453515
The PVM-14L1 with S-video

>>5453515
>>5453523
I feel like I should have also mentioned Sega Saturn as well

>>5453515
>>5453542
TM-H150CG. It apparently supports expansion cards, which makes it the only one that supports RGB and YPbPr.

>>5453561
That's pretty sweet. Are these cards hard to find?

>>5453570
Yes. Fortunately, they're unlike Sony expansion cards in that they just interface with equipment already inside the monitor, so you can find reproductions on eBay.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2499334.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xjvc+RGB+.TRS0&_nkw=jvc+RGB+&_sacat=21517

These looked interesting:

https://forums.libretro.com/t/crt-color-correction-3dluts-sony-mitsubishi-ctx-nec-hyundai/18496

I tried them out on a hp zr30w LCD monitor and the result looked great, better than using a 3d LUT derived from the .icm file I downloaded from HP.

>>5453523
>PVM-14L1
theres a dude selling one in my area but hes asking way too much. I lowballed him and he ghosted me ;_;

>>5453716
However, on closer examination these LUTs do not correct the oversaturation that comes with a wide gamut monitor.

>>5452837
Any old 4:3 480i content. So most TV shows before around 2001 and some films.

I wanna buy some speakers for my set up. Anyone have any recommendations?

>>5454010
I bought some $20 wooden retro looking speakers from Amazon. They took stereo 3.5mm input only though so I used an adapter since most consoles do the RCA audio

>>5454010
creative t10

>>5453561
Turns out the TM-H150CG was already sold but they have a TM-A13UCV. Is that comparable?

>plays 240p games on a display with 600+ lines of resolution
Do pvmeme fags know how stupid they are?

>composite
>svideo
>$200

>>5454097
If it was pristine and 20" I wouldn't mind paying that really. Ridiculous for a 14" though.

>>5454012
What's it called?

>>5454094
>240p refers to vertical resolution
>600tvl refers to horizontal resolution

No anon, you are the stupid.

>>5454091
Composite only, unfortunately. I'd honestly get a consumer set that supports component and S-Video and wait for another RGB-compatible monitor to come by rather than get any of the other stuff he's offering.

Recently tuned all the colors and alignment on my 2002 Trinitron, very pleased with the results. FCEUX/Wii 240p over component.

>>5454291
Compare with NES over composite on the same set

>>5451005
Congrats on your incoming package of broken glass, plastic and circuit boards.

>>5454291
looks like shit

>>5443942
i really need to start saving up for a pvm

>>5454291
Honestly I own tons of original systems. But I far prefer just using my retropie or PC. It’s way more convenient and there really isn’t any difference between it and real hardware. Plus I can use just one controller instead of like 10

>>5454010
Bose Companion II. Good sound, dual 2x-RCA inputs, powered, magnetically shielded, and you can get them for less than $50 on eBay.

>>5454375
Are they still going up in price or what? When this was already starting 7 or 8 years ago, I honestly thought the "bubble" would have burst by current year.

>>5454458
>When this was already starting 7 or 8 years ago, I honestly thought the "bubble" would have burst by current year.
Hah. Why would the bubble burst? They're only getting more scarce.
That's a gorgeous image, by the way. Is that a 20" HR Trinitron?

>>5454469
>Is that a 20" HR Trinitron?
Yeah, 20M4U.

I guess it's more that I underestimated the amount of interest in RGB. Clean-cut, sharp pixel graphics aren't the kind of thing that a majority of gamers had a fondness for, it felt like most would prefer to just emulate and use filters and shit like that. I thought by now, anyone actually interested in doing RGB would have one. I blame youtube shits for perpetuating the exposure.

>>5442867
What TV is that OP?

>>5454473
>I blame youtube shits for perpetuating the exposure.
I agree wholeheartedly.

>>5454473
What speakers are those

>>5454489
Sony ss-B1000. They're pretty deep and powerful for bookshelf speakers.

>>5454291
Looks good.

What the fug is this on my PC CRT? I genuinely believe shit's fucked, but it would be nice to know why.

>>5454473
>1995 Fleetwood

ah B and D bodies, the CRTs of cars

>>5454094
The scanlines on a 600tvl monitor are hardly noticeable at proper viewing distance.

>>5454474

see
>>5443781

I know not /vr/, but it really doesn't deserve its own thread, would an early PS2 game like Silent Hill 2 need to be played on a CRT for the best experience, or is it okay on a HD TV?

>>5454898
CRTs were the predominate display throughout the PS2's lifespan, so yes.

>>5454898
It's going to be 480i, so while you don't HAVE to use a CRT, a 4:3 CRT that accepts RGB would probably be the most ideal. Alternatively, using component on a later model TV that can handle 480i would also work

>>5454570
Vertical rollover. Either shit's fucked in the vertical deflection circuit or you're using way too short blankin

>>5454319
Thanks for your constructive response :v

>>5454898
Anything with a good contrast ratio. OLEDs will do.

>>5454473
>I thought by now, anyone actually interested in doing RGB would have one
How were people even supposed to know that these existed? All I knew was that my living room crt was starting to fail and I'd need another. Then I found out about PVMs. They're fucking amazing. If mine ever breaks I'll have to buy another at any price.

>>5455143
OLED + OSSC is a good choice for a lot of games.

Any word on a mitsubishi cs-40309, is it worth getting if it's only composite and s-video? I already have trinitrons with component. Just wondering if this is some kind of good set. Seller said "42" so I'm wondering, could it possibly be 42"?

>>5455180
That big without component? I'd pass unless you plan on modding it. Just look up the service manual and see what jungle IC is in it, you may be able to add component and maybe even RGB with a few wires and capacitors.

>>5455183
>you may be able to add component and maybe even RGB with a few wires and capacitors.

No luck on the service manual, found some user manuals. This thing weighs enough I'd hate to load it and risk it being unmoddable. I just don't know how it would look with s-video or composite on a screen that large.

>>5455204
I don't think it'd be worth it personally. If it's free and not far I'd just give it a shot, but I definitely wouldn't pay for it or drive more than a few miles for that.

>>5455213
Yeah, I think I'm gonna pass on it. 42" would be pretty damn good but lack of inputs kills it. It was like an hour drive so definite nope.

>>5454898
IMO gen 6 plus wii looks best on widescreen, non-hd CRT's.. If the game supports or has way to force widescreen. Though many games were still made 4:3 in mind but with extra 16:9 support so playing on old 4:3 tv is still good option.

>>5455159
>How were people even supposed to know that these existed?
Do the research. The internet existed. I guess I assumed the RGB craze wouldn't take over as much as it did. I figured the people who actually cared about display technology would read up on it due to actual interest and that's it, I never expected the surge of normies who never even knew the difference between composite and component to start hunting down analog RGB displays just because some dick on youtube said it was cool.

Thinking about getting a Crosspoint. What's up with the Phoenix inputs on this one? They look as if they're been caved in and have an adapter to account for it.

>>5443787
>>5443803
>>5443804
Back to update, TV came in intact from Georgia to New Mexico so quite a distance. When I first plugged it in I was only getting black and white picture with a line of color, thought I got Ebay'd but then I turned it on again later that day after work & I got color and it's been working great since, guess it only needed to settle in from being in the outside cold. Shipper did a good job packaging, no wiggle room and lots of styrofoam. I have more faith in FedEx now.

>>5455736
>widescreen, non-hd CRT's
Dare you to show me one that isn't a bvm

>>5456741

>>5456548
Looks like it got hit from 1-5 since they are all various stages of tucked up

Remember when the seller says they cant yest something/dont know if it works... they absolutely tested it and it doesnt work.

>>5456794
How dare you!

>>5455736
There are 4:3 TVs that physically limit the actual scan area of the tube to a 16:9 portion of the screen (no scaling). You can tell because the OSD is compressed as well. These are the best of both worlds if you want something large, since CRT TV dimensions were width-limited.

>>5456548
1, 3 and 7 are actual female phoenix connectors.
2 looks like a male connector torn apart.
4, 5, 6 and 8 look fine. the plastic tab is just bent a little

>>5456741
>bvm
what the fuck is that.
In any case, heres old pic of my old crt, non-hd widescreen crt. I replaced it with much smaller 4:3 one as it was fucking hueg and heavy, and it had some annoying issues, but it was perfect for wii and gen6.

>>5451831
I got that guy in my garage!

My wife found this in the electronics recycling bin at her job. It works amazing and I'm doing a playthrough of the original final fantasy on it.

>>5456969

>>5456958
As an American myself, North Americans generally aren't very familiar with the brands, models, and technologies of TVs sold in PAL/SECAM countries.

I think you were being challenged because they did not market non-HD 16:9 TVs here. The widescreen push was made after the HD-ready push. (We had 4:3 HD-ready TVs before 16:9, and widescreen was sometimes even misleadingly used as a marketing feature of HD.)

A BVM is a Sony broadcast monitor.

>>5456975

>>5456996
huh, guess I still have more to learn about crt's

>>5456847
>>5456953
I ended up finding one in better condition for less. Do Monoprice cables work well?

>>5456794
Every time I see one of these pop up I wonder what was the target audience.
Who would buy a tiny 16:9 TV while you could get a much taller 4:3 set for the same width? Considering how most of the content was 4:3 at the time (either produced for TV broadcast or savagely panned & scanned movies), this form factor doesn't make any sense.

>>5451543
you could put the aerial up and talk to aliens

>>5457018
Maybe grandpa wanted a TV he could watch his widescreen Lawrence of Arabia tapes on for his bedroom.

>>5457016
they're fine

Is it worth getting an old Trinitron (KV-2780R) if it doesn't have S-Video or RGB? composite only.
Also too dumb to rgb mod myself.

>>5457280
a friend had that tv as a hand me down from the late 80s. it was a good tv until it died. always looked great with ps2

>>5457280
As long as you're fine with it not being super sharp it'll look pretty decent I'd imagine. 27" is great for a 4:3 CRT too and that's a good looking set with nice speakers so personally I'd go for it.

Please forgive the awful photo, my work space is cramped at the moment. I had picked up this WEGA KV-34hs510 and it drops red color intermittently. I have no idea what causes it, but I suspect it has something to do with a bad solder near the red electron gun. I'm willing to crack it open and poke around if I knew what to look for, as it would be a shame to get rid of such a nice TV over what appears to be a simple issue. Can anyone point me in a productive direction?

>>5457016
Damn good cables and cheap.

>>5457438
Check with other consoles, might be a bad cord.

>>5457306
>>5457319
alright, I think I'll go for it then. thanks!

>>5457453
The cable works fine on other TVs, it's definitely not that.

>>5451543
Might be a good mod candidate, every TV is ultimately a raster tube interpreting an RGBHV signal, I think a VHF/UHF-era TV with RGB would be quite the novelty.

>tfw parents found my old 13” CRT
>tfw horrible loud buzzing whenever the screen is white or has too much white elements
>tfw doesn’t even look that much better than just playing it off my massive 4K

Bros wtf do I need a better set

I just got a Sony KV27FS13
Anyone here have one? Hows the picture?

I need a new old CRT for some retro bullshit, anyone have any tips for picking a cheap consumer grade model? I'm not expecting much in the $5-$10 range but what brands I should look out for or avoid? Is newer generally better or should I look for a certain era of televisions? I'm playing the usual gambit of NES to N64 era stuff, nothing fancy.

>>5458043
trinitron tend to be best

>>5458043
I personally prioritize things with component input. If you like scanlines, go with a SD Sony. They are common and cheap. In my experience, the ones labeled Wega have the worst geometry. JVC D series are also well regarded, light for the size, but not as common as Sony. Just play games and remember the tech never was and never will be perfect.

I finally got remote for my tv and thanks to it I figure out how to enter the service menu, but does anyone know what the options do? I already found the one I was looking for(vertical position), but Im curious what the other options do.

https://pastebin.com/wiwDiW9B

>>5458043
Just get something standard definition with component inputs. Curved is generally preferable because they have less geometry issues.

>>5458609
There's a manual for this menu: https://www.hobbielektronika.hu/forum/getfile.php?id=313904

OSD: On Screen Display position
VLIN: Vertical linearity
RGBH: RGB horizontal offset correction
VSOF: 60Hz vertical size
VPOF: 60Hz vertical position
HSOF: 60Hz horizontal size
HPOF: 60Hz horizontal position
HTOF: 60Hz trapezoid adjust
WR, WG, WB: Colour balance settings
BR, BG: Red and green bias
APR: Dynamic contrast threshold
OP1-8, GEOM: Bit switches for various settings, you should not touch these except for OP3 which has options for video
OP3: Changing the last number of this to 0 should disable the dynamic contrast feature
IF, AGC, FMP, NIP, SCP, SEC, F, BS, CB: These are for the tuner
TX1: Teletext stuff

Note that some of these settings might have no effect, for example I doubt the trapezoid adjustment will work. If your remote has the four coloured buttons the green button should open the menu for 50Hz geometry settings. Also if you have a button for 16:9 mode you can store separate geometry settings for that mode.

Question: What's the easiest way to convert EuroSCART to Component?

>>5458667
awesome, this will be handy. thank you anon

I live on a third world country and crts are still easy and cheap to come buy. Should I get a flat or a curved one? I have an atari 2600, NES, genesis, psx, and n64

>>5458682
Curved ones have less geometry issues.

>>5458682
I hate the flat ones with a passion, but it probably just depends what you had as a kid

>>5458720
Not him but what causes geometry issues? Is it a natural degradation from usage hours or abuse? Is it reasonably fixable on TVs without PVM tier controls?

Canadian here, Toronto specifically. Need some advice.

Is ordering a PVM over eBay inherently really risky ? Like, is it something to avoid at all costs ? I ordered a PVM-20M4U over a month ago, and it arrived damaged. I received a full refund, tried to get it fixed and the repair guy said it wasn't worth it.

Here are my options. The repair guy said that within a few weeks, he will have a chance to talk to a client who has several 20" and 25" monitors (potentially pvm or bvm) that he could hook me up with. Additionally someone on Kijiji is selling a pvm-2030 for $500. It has pictures and seems legit, but it doesn't have component and I'm looking for something like the 20m4u or better. My final option is to order again online but it would be from the same seller likely (he has the best selection). I'm hoping if I do this, it will survive shipping this time - but if it doesn't, would I get the same sort of refund ?

Here are some pictures of the damage done to the one I ordered.

>>5458753
Additionally if anyone reasonably close to Toronto has a connection to these monitors, I'm all ears.

>>5458756
This is what the repair guy sent me.

>>5458761

>>5458753
It just isn’t really worth it at all. You really should just be patient and wait for something local. The advantage isn’t that massive where it’s like you gotta have it now. Just use a cheapo CRT in the meantime until you get what you want. I really wanted a commodore 1702 both because it’s what I used as a kid and because they’re pretty high quality without being too sharp. Until I got that I bought a cheap Sony Trinitron off someone local for $10 and played on that. Or just on my OLED depending on what I felt like. It’s too risky buying CRTs online

>>5458676
If the SCART is RGB the device you need is called a transcoder. The simpler the better (which is not to say the cheaper the better).

Found a 13" Trinitron in an alley today when I was walking to get a pizza. Only thing with composite video I had was one of those shitty genesis clones so you get to see how bad the video output is in those things. But the TV is pretty nice, found a remote on ebay

>>5458750
In the case of flat screens, neither, it's mostly the physical distance of different points on the visible scanning surface to the color guns, in other words unfixable design compromise. That said the effects are not always noticeable, depending on the nature of the flat screen. I've been very happy with some flat screens and disappointed with others.

>>5458875
Nice rescue. I'd be curious to know the model number and whether it shows that level of dot crawl and color bleed with better video sources.

>>5458902
Oh weird, I understood the concept about the distance between the electron gun and the points on the screen but I had figured they worked in some voodoo magic to unfuck it. Turns out it's just a shitty design choice. I guess that would explain why I've somehow never seen a flatscreen CRT before.

>>5458917
KV-13TR24, it was sitting next to two Toshiba's that were RF only, behind a grocery store

Dot crawl and color bleeding is definitely the genesis clone. It does the exact same thing even on a HDTV. Although I guess I can't say for sure until I drag my wii out if storage and check

>>5458931
There are ways to minimize the effect, mostly with high resolution and small screen sizes (plus other things like hiding the curved edges of a flat tube behind the bezel of the display to minimize visible differences between the two screen regions). Flat screen PC monitors were a de facto standard late in the life of CRTs for high precision work, for example. (But even then technical spec lists often show different dot pitch at center vs. edge.) Unfortunately, TVs run bigger and at lower resolutions so you see the distortion much more easily.

>>5457438
This is me. I take it nobody has any suggestions on what to do? Because at this rate I'd rather be electrocuted

>>5458676
So long as it's RGB SCART https://www.ebay.com/itm/173835479231

>>5459512
Does smacking it fix the issue?

Dot trio best trio
Jessica best waifu

>>5457438
Time for a solder reflow.
Check the board on the neck of the tube first, since there's often a lot of heat there and one of the pins on the socket will drive the red electron gun.
Possibly new capacitors, too, as a general rule of thumb.

>>5458753
Uh, is it just damaged plastic? Does the actual screen work?
Just melt the plastic together from the back using a soldering iron or a tiny amount of acetone. No sense in throwing out a good monitor if it's just got a damaged bezel.

Also, if they just pack the damn things right this isn't an issue. There's some inflating foam packing thing that's excellent for stuff like that, when put around the corners of the monitor in the box.

>>5458756
I'm in indiana but I have a 1944Q I don't really need.

>>5458761
Crap nvm, if that's a hole in the glass up there, obviously not just bezel damage. My mistake

>>5458750
Most PVMs don't even have electronic controls to fix geometry (only newer ones do - late 80s to late 90s models do not).

It's often mostly fixable, but as with anything else CRT-wise it'll never be perfect.
>>5458682
Curved, no contest. As long as it has the appropriate inputs.
>>5456972
Sexy. Love those 80s and earlier tube sets the most, aesthetically at least. Even with those damaged bits it's cute.
>>5456741
>show me one that isn't a BVM
OK
Panasonic AT-H3017W
Saw one of these on craigslist in Minnesota a couple years back. If it weren't so far away I would have gotten it.
There's also the Panasonic DT-M3050W which is mentioned in the same sales brochure I found this pic in.

>>5460126
DT-M3050W is multiscan though, so maybe it doesn't count.

>>5459921
Did it fix you?

>>5458753
>>5458756
That's the price for falling to the meme.

>>5460116
That's looks real good. Setup and output?

>>5460116
It literally can't be beat. AGfags don't stand a chance.

hey it's this guy again >>5457280
>>5458768 's post reminded me that I saw a commodore 1702 near me and now I'm trying to decide between the 2.
Both are going for $50-60 OBO. suggestions?

>>5458676
I like the retrotek on Ebay myself.

>>5442867

>>5460519
The 1702 is a really enjoyable little monitor to use. 60 bucks isn’t bad. They’re really well built and generally don’t have any problems as they used pretty high quality parts. The picture isn’t as sharp as Sony PVMs but they’re much cheaper, have a cooler retro look IMO and I prefer a softer picture personally. They have a Chroma Luna S-Video input on the rear and composite in the front.

>>5460790
>>5460519
BE WARNED. It’s better than that trinitron but make sure it’s fully functioning. They require a pretty high skill level to recap due to the amount of caps and the design. So make sure it’s fully functioning before you buy it! Make sure the brightness/contrast/color goes all the way up and down. Make sure the speakers work as well. I’d suggest taking it apart and giving it a solid cleaning before really using it. It has lots of venting holes which isn’t a bad thing. But they get filled with dust and bugs pretty easily as a result. They’re easy to take apart for cleaning at least though.

>>5458676
The best RGB SCART to YPbPr transcoder you can get is the Shinybow SB-2840.

>>5460487
Those monitors are legit good when they work.
That said they aren't really that much better than other makes of RGB monitors (both for pro monitors and consumer computer monitors for the Amiga and such) which use tri-dot shadow masks. I even prefer the shadow masks frequently.
>>5460502
>That's looks real good. Setup and output?
Panasonic BT-H1390YN, Sega Genesis model 1 VA6.8 with holes drilled in back for RGB via RCA jacks. RCA -> BNC adapters on the back of the monitor.
Buffered CSync with a 74LS08 chip (genesis sync signal is open collector, so you need to buffer it or you'll just put load on the VDP and get a black screen).
Strictly speaking you don't need to buffer sync (on THIS monitor) if you turn off termination on the sync line with a switch on the back of the monitor. This doesn't work on any of my PVMs though, so I have the buffer since that works anywhere I've tried.

In advance:
>Drilled holes REEEE
It's my system, and it's not rare. SCART's a money pit and unnecessary.

Camera: Google Pixel 2 XL, software: OpenCamera

>>5460509
Since when has this thread had more than one person who prefers tri-dot?
…I'm happy, but I must admit I'm also surprised.
>>5460509
What monitor is that? Is that a flat screen, or just some illusion caused by the angle/lens curvature/a large tube diagonal?
>It literally can't be beat
100% agreed. My only problem with my BT-H1390YN is that it doesn't do 480p, but thankfully my Commodore 1942 does and has the same dot pitch (same tube manufacturer and mask).
>>5442894
Looks to be a 20 inch PVM judging by the way-too-thin-when-up-close raster scan lines. These monitors really look better at a distance, at least for 240p, but people love close-ups.
>>5442976
20L5? They're pretty nice, if you have the money and/or know the right people at the right time.
>>5460519
Get the 1702 for s-video if that's important to you (i.e. if you plan on playing sega systems).
Composite on the SNES and NES isn't half bad, so you might be better served by the trinitron, otherwise. Commodore is not known for reliability (yeah I know that other companies made these and just commodore branded them).

>>5460953
BTW I lived on an Apple IIe composite monitor for about two years before getting my first RGB monitor; it isn't half bad, but you'll definitely notice it and be annoyed by it if you look for it.

Overall I'd recommend the commodore over the composite-only trinitron. Or even a composite only PVM for that matter.

>>5442867
>KV-9PT40
>>5443264
>>5443781
>>5443756

I just found a KV-9PT40 on CL for $10. It's great for retro games but the high pitched CRT noise drives me crazy without headphones.

>>5460672

Has anyone used a PSP 2000 hooked to their CRT as a means of playing PS, SNES and the like?

hey look, it's freeL5cunt looking for attention again

>>5460897
>Drilled holes REEEE

Get on my level noob.

Which model is this?

>>5461241
How did you get YPbPr out of the SNES?

>>5460897
>>5461241
>RCA jacks
Enjoy your impedance mismatch and absolute inferiority to BNC master race

>>5461248
sony model

>>5461048
I quickly tired, ps1 looks perfect, nes emulator didn't output picture properly, maybe fixable or just my tv? I can test more tomorrow if you want, I dont have the time right now.

It also outputs ntsc, so if you use composite cable you are fucked with PAL crt's(black&white picture, I dont think sony made rgb scart cable for psp, I guess there is workaround using component cable + scart adapter? but I dont have those).

>>5461248
Looks like a mid-late 90s XBR model but couldn't say for sure.

>>5461274
If it were an XBR, it would say so on the front.

Where in the FUCK do I find a reasonably priced IBM 5151?

>>5461248
Hello fellow Bama bro.

I picked up (from the wayside) this 1999 Aldi branded CRT.
It seems to be intact and good to go, but channel 0 - which I suppose is the scart-in - is 'locked'.

What would you do in this case? I'd appreciate any input, because I know nothing.

>>5461419
try a cheap universal remote from a discount store

>>5461312
Let me know when you figure it out

>>5461454
It's the first tv I had that didn't respond to the universal remote I have. Do you think there is just a button on the remote for it?

>>5461312
visit every single garage sale in every city in New York (state) where IBM either has or once had offices and you have a 20% chance.

Good luck.
BTW if you find one with a broken CRT, monochrome CRT's are practically universally swappable. Same pinout, and usually the same neck size, so you can just swap deflection yokes and make it work.

So you could take a same-diagonal-measure CRT from some old terminal monitor that doesn't power up anymore and swap it in and probably end up with a working 5151.

>>5461253
>How do I get YPbPr on a SNES
Certain revisions (only earlier ones IIRC) have untapped pins on their encoder chips for YPbPr.

>>5461259
>Enjoy your impedance mismatch and absolute inferiority to BNC master race
That's fair enough, but only if you actually drilled holes to add BNC female connectors to the back of your system. If you're using the multi-out you've already got impedance mismatch. if you use SCART, that's just even more.

>>5461241
I'm actually an oldfag, but it's been a while, and the last time I came here people universally hated that shit.
Glad to see that's changing, though I still would have tried to put those jacks on the back of the console.
>>5461118
>looking for attention
Not really, just bored and trying to help
>freeL5cunt
I missed you too, anon.

>>5461312
First you have to invent time travel.

>>5461502
And to be fair, impedance mismatch isn't a huge deal at a pixel clock of 3.15MHz (for NES/SNES (in its 240p mode)/SMS, or ~3.94MHz for the genesis/N64 (in 240p).
Still a technically valid concern though

>>5461530
IBM charged too much for them when they were new, so you'd have to invent time travel and steal it

>>5461476
Could be, depends on what the "locked" means. I have no idea about your TV, and even if I knew the OEM who made it for Lidl I probably wouldn't know enough about them either unless they also made TVs for North America that I've worked with before. I don't know if it means the TV is locked only to that channel, if access to that channel is locked *out*, if any use of the TV at all is locked, or if it means that there's a successful signal lock with whatever you had plugged in (very doubtful but who knows). Might be a password-protected mode you could reset the TV out of, but you'd have to do the research on how based on the model number.

>>5461502
>>5461535
I'm aware, just riffing off the flex. Frankly though I'm not sure there could ever be someone who would make a joke about impedance mismatch then go on to do that.

>>5461585
My logic is that because channel listing usually starts on 1, channel 0 is probably for the scart-input and since it shows nothing when plugging a game console in, it seems to mean 'locked from being used'.
>do the research on how based on the model number.
There is no information online, which made me very pessimistic on my chances to do something about it.

TV illiterate question: if the TV remembers a setting, does that mean there is a chip in it to hold that information? I assume not, but what is used then?

Second question: why would a TV have this feature? The only place where I'd expected any locking is a special hotel television, which this doesn't seem to be. What would the point of this feature be?

>>5456696
Very nice, anon. The TV is great, too.

What does the NES palette look like on your TV?

http://forums.nesdev.com/download/file.php?id=13184

>>5461618
First, some groundwork. What console are you plugging in, and what kind of signal are you trying to feed the TV? The TV might not take what you're giving it, whether RGB or whatever. Do you at least hear any sound being input to the TV from the console? If you do, it could just be a video signal or cable issue and you can try another device or signal type. If you don't, it could confirm that the input is locked out.

>There is no information online
Find out the OEM who made TVs for Lidl in 1999. Lidl probably only sourced from one. The next step from there would be to look up general information on TVs made by that OEM that could also apply to your TV. This could also help pick a proper universal remote code. Because of >Lidl, you may be in Europe, so do the searches in the native language of the OEM you find in addition to English.

>if the TV remembers a setting, does that mean there is a chip in it to hold that information?
A 1999 TV would be using a tiny amount of non-volatile storage for channel memory and settings. I wouldn't bother trying to flash it until you've read up on an easier way to reset just the channel/input lockout on the TV.

>why would a TV have this feature?
Keep kids from playing vidya, maybe. And the feature may indeed be present just so the TV could optionally be used as a hotel set.