/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5441481
you're a weirdo then.
what retro games do you like instead?

I find the atmosphere is amazing but I just don't feel that interested to explore, and usually give it up after an hour.

>>5441481
It's one of those games that was more of a tech demo than anything else. ALttP does everything better.

>>5441562
>It's one of those games that was more of a tech demo than anything else
>tech demo

you're clinically insane.

>>5441562
>more of a tech demo than anything else
please stop throwing this shit around, it doesn't mean anything. If you have a criticism about the gameplay, say what it is. Personally I find OOT's world is really nice to explore, and to me other zelda game has really matched its atmosphere

>>5441572
It runs at an incredibly sloppy framerate with slowdowns out of the ass, ugly graphics, janky camera and boring dungeons. It's all nostalgia and brand recognition that blinds people into thinking this game is any good.

>>5441551
Sega arcade games

>>5441587

System Shock 2

I keep trying, but get bored after awhile.

>>5441585
>Personally I find OOT's world is really nice to explore
It's so barren compared to ALttP and LA.

>>5441587
>sloppy framerate with slowdowns out of the ass, ugly graphics, janky camera
so, every N64 game was a tech demo? Do you just not like the N64? The only valid point you bring up is >>5441587
>boring dungeons
which I couldn't disagree with more

>>5441604
whatever you say man, you're comparing a huge 3d world to two top down games where you can probably see everything in the maps in less than an hour

>>5441590
that looks based as fuck

>>5441605
I'm OP, I find dungeon crawling to be extremely fatiguing and unenjoyable.

>>5441609
They'll never understand, anon. To us is easy to see that OoT is the best Zelda of them all, showcasing a convincing world to explore, and once one has seen that, it's hard to go back.

>>5441605
Are you telling me that the game doesn't run at 20fps with constant dips that turn it into a slideshow? Most people who have fond memories for OoT are more in love with the time period it came out and that time in their lives than the game itself. Cases can still be made for why ALttP,FF7, SM64 and MGS1 are timeless classics, OoT is hot garbage.

>>5441638
>Most people who have fond memories for OoT are more in love with the time period it came out and that time in their lives than the game itself.

>>5441638
no was agreeing with you, but those same problems affect nearly all n64 games. Also I think
>with constant dips that turn it into a slideshow
is a huge exaggeration. Oot doesn't get slideshow levels of bad. If 20 fps stops you from enjoying a game that doesn't even require any twitchy or fast inputs, that sucks for you man

@5441648

>>5441652

>>5441650
Frame rate and controls are two of the most important things in video games. Anything that can't reach a solid 30fps isn't worth playing, I'm sorry.

>>5441638
>Most people who have fond memories for OoT are more in love with the time period it came out and that time in their lives than the game itself.

Ain't that the truth, youngfag, but it's still the best game of all-time.

>>5441662
alright, thanks for confirming your autism! I'll say it again, sucks for you to not be able to enjoy those games. I'll be here enjoying a larger variety of games, while you stick to your arbitrary little rule set for life.

>>5441670
>thanks for confirming your autism!
Is "autism" synonymous with "standards", now?

>>5441668
>but it's still the best game of all-time.
not him, but I seriously cannot even begin to imagine how shit your taste must be. Literally disgusting.

>>5441675
FPS isn't all too important in regards to N64.. you need to be able to settle into the gameplay.

>>5441668
>it's still the best game of all-time.
I like OoT, but let's be reasonable

>>5441689
No other game has been as engaging or has pushed gaming so far ahead in so many respects. It's got the best fishing simulator too.

>>5441675
If your standard is that you won't touch a game that plays under 30 fps and you'll automatically dismiss it as bad and not worth it, then yeah, it's autistic. 20 fps could be game-breaking for certain types of games, but for OOT they designed the game around it and I don't even notice it after a while.

>>5441696
>No other game has been as engaging
This is inherently subjective, I think point and click games like Monkey Island 2 are infinitely more engaging than talking to any of the bland, 2D characters OoT has.
>or has pushed gaming so far ahead in so many respects
Daytona USA
Quake
Half Life
Super Mario 64

>>5441680
>not him, but I seriously cannot even begin to imagine how shit your taste must be.

Other favorite games:
-Star Wars Trilogy
-Military Madness
-Shadows of the Empire
-Deer Avenger

>>5441696
Off the top of my head the influence, technical advancements and impact MGS1 had on the industry is still heavily felt today. It's the single most important video game in history not named Super Mario Brothers.

>>5441702
DESU I think most of those games aren't all that good and you should feel bad.

>>5441702
>these are the people that put OoT on a pedestal

>>5441710
Sorry about your low skill level. May I suggest setting two of those to "easy"? Don't be ashamed or angry if you honestly can't do any better, anon.

>>5441701
>Daytona USA
>Quake
>Half Life
these games are not from nintendo so they don't count

>-Shadows of the Empire
/thread

>>5441718
More skillless wonders chime in.

"The game's TOO HARDDDD-AH! :( Mommy!!!"

>>5441727

>>5441736
That is how I picture you, very good. The nog pic too.

>>5441741

Splatterhouse 2 is also a great game, not better than the first, but superior to 3.

>>5441723
i cannot for the life of me imagine being such a colossal faggot as you

>>5441481
>Games other people like that you can't get into

Castlevania. It's not like i dislike the genre. The games are just too bland, dull and inferior. And the admittedly great music alone doesn't keep me going.

>>5441756
3 is better in almost every way but I know your main complaints are "muh timer" and "omg overpowered kick move". Arcade version of the first is still my favorite in the series.

>>5441761
Whatever guy who's ragging on games that sold slightly less than their mom on a Friday night.

>>5441765
>"muh timer"
It ruined the game, is all. No biggie. And it's cheap as hell. It's a rushed game.

>>5441765
>Arcade version of the first is still my favorite in the series
Meh. It's edgier and all that different than the PC-Engine version. Still it is cool sort of playing as Jason finally complete with white hockey mask.

*not all that different

You know what's a great game? Cabal-arcade version with the trackball.

>>5441604
>It's so barren compared to ALttP and LA.

Except it's not, at all, and has more stuff to find than either of those games. The field is intentionally sparse, but there's tons of shit everywhere in the world to find.

>>5441609
>a huge 3d world

What? The main area of the game is a vastly empty field with absolutely nothing to do in it. Also, all other areas are located on the edges of the main area leaving nothing in the middle of it. How's that fun to explore is beyond my comprehension

>>5441806
>Except it's not, at all
*pushes glasses up nose*
>The field is intentionally sparse

>>5441707
>influence, technical advancements

Which are what exactly?

>>5441652

>>5441812
google.com can help you if your brain doesn't work.

>>5441807
Those areas were technically the player exploring the field..

>>5441821
So you don't know

>>5441809
You're just an idiot then if you spent more than like 3-5% of your in game time exploring Hyrule Field over the entirety of the rest of the world and didn't get that most of the content is elsewhere.

>>5441807

Hyrule Field is not "the main area of the game", and only people who take the (still solid) map design of the 2D games up their anus daily seem to not get this. The complete lack of a 'main area' is one of the things I love about OoT.

>Also, all other areas are located on the edges of the main area leaving nothing in the middle of it.

Yes, and why is this a problem except for people who are dumb enough to keep exploring the gigantic expanse of nothing over all of the other areas and then complain about this? It's fun to explore because you don't need to spend time wandering around in the middle of nowhere, but the openness and expanse of the field means that that section of the game can hide things in unique ways that makes how you approach it different from other areas when you do explore it.

>>5441856
>The complete lack of a 'main area' is one of the things I love about OoT.
Please go back to lurking, this is too embarrassing.

>>5441856
>The complete lack of a 'main area' is one of the things I love about OoT.
^this

I like how depending where you save or die determines your restarting point. I like starting back at Link's house as a kid, and starting at the Temple of Time is convenient enough. Something just occurred to me as to why some guys hate Hyrule Field-they never figured out how to get Epona the horse, or were too low skilled to win the race. I bet that's it. It must suck for them to have to roll through Hyrule Field to get anywhere, also going to assume that they are ignorant of the shortcuts too.

>>5441874
>Something just occurred to me as to why some guys hate Hyrule Field-they never figured out how to get Epona the horse, or were too low skilled to win the race.
These are some of the worst mental gymnastics that I've ever seen on the internet. Every argument that supports Hyrule's barren design boils down to "I LYKE IT! BET U NEVER DISCOVERED DA HORSE AND WHIPPED THE SHIT OUT OF IT!".

>>5441856
>>Also, all other areas are located on the edges of the main area leaving nothing in the middle of it.
>nothing in the middle of it

Yeah, nothing, except vital characters one has to interact with to acquire hearts, skulltulas, and the horse which bring gameplay to yet another height. Lon Lon Ranch, mudderfuckers.

>>5441676
Did you like OoT tho?

>>5441882
>"I LYKE IT! BET U NEVER DISCOVERED DA HORSE AND WHIPPED THE SHIT OUT OF IT!".
^mad petafag

>>5441882
>Every argument that supports Hyrule's barren design
Don't be scared of the giant peahats-embrace their call to battle and aim for their...asses? And Hyrule Field is also where you catch Big Poes to get another handy bottle, anon.

FF6.
Can't stand the combat. Even worse after coming from ff5 before.

>>5441868
>Please go back to lurking, this is too embarrassing.

You know what, you're right. I'm fucking embarrassed by myself for enjoying such a barren, empty game with nothing in it but a giant fucking grass wasteland.

>>5441882
Look at this disgusting lack of variety. I mean holy shit, I'm going to have to load up LoZ and wank off over all dat fucking brown, I'm so ashamed of myself.

Hyrule Field:

-Lon Lon Ranch, which contains valuable items and characters
-Hidden pits which contain more items
-Skeletons that keep growing in size if you battle them quickly
-10 Big Poes which are scattered throughout Hyrule Field that can be redeemed for the fourth bottle, thus enhancing gameplay
It's not barren at all, plus it serves to add a bit more realism to the connected parts.

>>5441901
Which version is that, anon? Looks gorgeous.

>>5441481
I was born in 1990 and my favourite zelda was wind waker but I could never get into this. Even as an adult. Same with LttP and MM. But I played Zelda1 first as an adult and loved it to death. What the fuck?

>>5441901
>I'm going to have to load up LoZ and wank off over all dat fucking brown, I'm so ashamed of myself.

Daily reminder that Mike Matei's favorite Zelda game is the first one. lol

>>5441901
I really fucking hate that stupid ninja turtle design on the mirror shield. the crescent moon is so much cooler than that mess.

>>5441912
Who is that and why should anyone care about his opinion?

>>5441913
Not them, but agreed. For some reason some people think some people own the half moon image, but that's another story. tl;dr Nintendo is actually based as fuck..

>>5441901
We were discussing the overworld and you went full retard by posting a collage filled mostly with dungeon shots.
>>5441904
Scattering a few items amongst a sea of green and brown doesn't populate it.

>>5441916
He's the guy that probably did all of the video game footage for James Rolfe aka Nintendo Nerd aka Angry Video Game Nerd. Don't act like you don't know who that is even if you never watched him.

>>5441918
NB4 Islamic Muslim

>>5441923
I do know who James Rolfe is, but I've never heard of Mike Matei. Still, why should I care which Zelda he likes?

>>5441921
>Scattering a few items amongst a sea of green and brown doesn't populate it.

I really think the peahats scared you off. They're are kind of freaky and when they launch their babies at you, I just roll, roll, roll baby. Killing their momma is fun, though, yet challenging.

>>5441925
>I do know who James Rolfe is, but I've never heard of Mike Matei.
Nice lie, breh.

>>5441931
Sorry I don't know the names of every production crewmember on a long-irrelevant YouTube series, I guess? Not sure why this bothers you so much.

>Scattering a few items amongst a sea of green and brown doesn't populate it.

I really think the peahats scared you off. They are kind of freaky and when they launch their babies at you, I just roll, roll, roll baby. Killing their momma is fun, though, yet challenging.

/So you've never ridden the horse in OoT? Wow, anon.

>>5441937
Why lie over this? This isn't the CBS news message board.

>>5441913
I liked it better too but iyt made me realize the entire game is about a notmuslim steal a notchristian aryan child at 9. So now I get real uncomfortable when I think about it.

>>5441940
>So now I get real uncomfortable when I think about it.

Then try not to think about the fact that altered versions were finished before the gold cartridge shipped. Yup.

"So you've never ridden the horse in OoT? Wow, anon."
As stated before, resorting to inane arguments like this doesn't work.

>>5441906
3DS version, emulated on Citra. The actual 3DS version looks disgusting in comparison unfortunately and I wish it was remotely as good.

>>5441912
LoZ is great though and I'm only bringing it up because it actually takes place in what amounts to an actual wasteland. I have serious respect for it and consider it one of the better games in the series.

>>5441921
>mostly with dungeon shots
You utter retard. Like six of those from the whole thing are from dungeons, and even then it only goes to show just how much shit the game's dungeons have that wouldn't be possible in any of the previous games. You're just burying yourself now.

>>5441943
I mean he still diddled zelda either way

>>5441946
You need to talk to that guy wearing the two-toned shirt at Lon Lon Ranch and then accept a race. Follow directions online to win the horse, but it's simple stuff, however some people cannot figure out how to get the horse out of the ranch. You need to gallop at full speed towards a wall and you'll jump over it. :)

>>5441948
>ou're just burying yourself now.
No, honestly, maybe 2 or 3 of those are actually of the overworld we've been discussing for a while now. It's also not how the original game looks... your brain is scrambled.

>>5441948
>3DS version, emulated on Citra. The actual 3DS version looks disgusting in comparison unfortunately and I wish it was remotely as good.

I fully appreciate the heads-up, anon, it's like I've been under a rock, no shitting. Beautiful game.

>>5441948
>I have serious respect for it and consider it one of the better games in the series.
Me too, but it feel empty compared to OoT;et al.

>>5441949
>I mean he still diddled zelda either way
It's how they do things in the [strike]east[/strike] west, don't be a Hyrulian Supremacist.

>Ocarina of Time is my favorite video game, i love riding the sekrit horse

>>5441965
lol Have fun playing Call of Duty 19: The Shootening

>>5441856
On the contrary, I would argue that OoT is the only Zelda (that we're discussing) that has a main area. All the other games have locations distributed nicely all over the map while in OoT hyrule field is this gigantic nexus that connects to all other areas. Walking through it weirdly reminds me of Crash Bandicoot 2 where the levels are located surrounding the main area and you choose which level to go next.. Of course hyrule field is a bigger place, but then again theres nothing to do in it so its just pointless walking.

I actually feel like the designers should've completely dropped the exploration and removed hyrule field so at least you wouldnt have to waste time walking all the way to the next location.

>>5441976
>On the contrary, I would argue that OoT is the only Zelda (that we're discussing) that has a main area. All the other games have locations distributed nicely all over the map while in OoT hyrule field is this gigantic nexus that connects to all other areas.

The game never starts you there, so what are you talking about?

>>5441976
>I actually feel like the designers should've completely dropped the exploration and removed hyrule field so at least you wouldnt have to waste time walking all the way to the next location.
Please stay out of game design.

>>5441951
>maybe 2 or 3 of those are actually of the overworld we've been discussing for a while now

Dude, do you not get that the while point I've been making is that OoT's overworld extends far beyond Hyrule Field, and that the field is basically just a hub with a bunch of stuff scattered through it that's only a small part of the world content wise? Are you so completely blind to this that you have to twist your arguments and retcon shit you said before to try to make yourself look better. You're only proving that all the assumptions we're making about you are correct and you have no clue about the game.

>>5441965
>sekrit horse

The way that the horse is 'hidden' and completely non-mandatory is unironically one of the best aspects of it. You'd think that something like Epona, being so 'iconic' to the game, would be completely shoved in your face and made part of the plot, but no, she's completely optional but still lets you go places and do things you otherwise wouldn't be able to access early.

>>5441976
Every Zelda game has an overworld, I think you're confused.

>>5441976
So Hyrule Field is the main area even though you never start there and most areas have shortcuts to go directly from one place to another without using Hyrule Field at all? Not to mention all the teleport songs you learn.

>>5441980
The game was actually going to be like this until relatively late in development though. Read some of the interviews with Miyamoto.

>>5441981
Every 10 year old child found that fucking horse on Christmas morning in 1998, drop it.

>>5441984
>The game was actually going to be like this until relatively late in development though
That's because of a bug, anon. It had to do with the fact the the horse riding through Hyrule Field crashed the game, so they temporarily took out the horse and the field, but luckily knew that would mega gay and backtracked. Thank God.

how is this board so easy to bait?

>>5441979
All im saying is that while all the other games are built like a real world with locations spread all over the place OoT has a single, empty area that connects all other places making it its "main área". Whether you start on it or not isnt relevant.

>>5441993
>All im saying is that while all the other games are built like a real world with locations spread all over the place
...like Ocarina of Time. Anon, does your head hurt by chance?

>>5441992
OoT sucks monkey ass and more people are realizing it

>>5441983
The point is not that its tiring to travel trough hyrule field, nor that its the only area connecting to the others. The point is that the game doesnt offer a good map for exploration and all it has is a giant piece of nothingness connecting all areas

>>5441996
Imagine having such a defective mind as to believe it. LARPing is fun, dough.

>>5441993
>while all the other games are built like a real world with locations spread all over the place

They aren't though. Most of the 2D games are built like hedge mazes, and games like MM and SS are massively more hub centered around actual main towns with like half of their game's respective content. OoT is really quite egalitarian with regards to the importance of each area and how much content there is to explore in each, it's just that there's enormous divergence in size and density.

>>5442000
>The point is that the game doesnt offer a good map for exploration
What

>>5441994
Thats not how it is in OoT where the areas are all located surrounding an empty field. Is your ADHD preventing you to understand this simple concept?

>>5442007

>>5442007
Just how autistic are you? That is an unreasonably literal interpretation of what that anon said...

>>5442009
You're the one with ADHD and autism here. You keep lying that the field is empty and you also insist that the action/items/things to do aren't spread out-just like other games. Dude, the water in the original Zelda takes up a huge chuck or real estate there and it's useless except as a barrier.

>>5442014
You poor soul.

>>5442013
Play the actual game and the map increases based on your monitor.

>>5442019
The empty space gets larger? No thanks.

>>5442014
Here's a tip: Listen carefully in the Lost Woods and walk slowly into the passageways. If the music starts to die, you're on the wrong path.

>>5441923
>Don't act like you don't know who that is
Imagine caring about E-Celebs. I didn't even know what the AVGN's name was.

>>5442065
Sure.

>>5441590

Would you be offended if i would urinate on your plastic figures?

skipped the N64 Zeldas because i got tired of waiting for them to come out during era

PSX was just too good to ignore at the time

i tried playing OoT last year and while i enjoyed it, when i beat the deku tree and ran into hyrule field it hit me that the game did not age well

the new zelda had just come out and the graphics are just too nice today to be able to relive the original 3d Zelda

le feels

>>5441604

i am currently playing ALTTP for the first time since 2006

i completely agree, my first visit to hyrule field after the deku tree killed playing the game for me last year in Oot

It might be Bethesda writing, because i really enjoyed New Vegas despite its countless bugs and flaws,


>>5441559
This. I'm thinking on giving it another chance though.

>>5442154
I couldn't enjoy that Zelda as much as Twilight Princess or Wind Waker

>>5442065

agreed on this, don't argue with teh children

FF7. People are all, "The best FF!" and I'm like shit, it ain't even the best FF on that goddamn console. It ain't even the best RPG on that console, shit.

Christ Almighty I still haven't gotten through "Popeye Adventures: Sad Boy Edition" a full run even once, because it's just such a dry RPG. It's stale, the graphics are awkward and blocky and trying too hard, the dialogue that isn't Cid's is flat as hell and even he's only distinguished because he constantly swears.

I just don't get the hype. I was there at the time. I played it when it was released. And even when it released, I felt the same then.

>>5442221

contrarian detected

Sega games. i dont get the obsession this board has with sega games. Hipsterism? Contrarianism? Bad taste?
All thier games are inferior compared to other companies like Nintendo or Capcom.

>>5442235
t. under the age anon

You DO know that Capcom doesn't make games, right?

>>5442246
sega games still are shit.
also there are better retro companies deal with it.

>>5441884
Yep

>>5442254
>sega games still are shit.
lol legit quality troll

Now imagine someone being so arcade and console ignorant.

>>5442315
Seganigger

>>5442319
and Nintoddler.

>>5442321
Segababby

>>5442328
I propose: "SEGAbeta" if you insist on ripping on people.

ninturdburgler

>>5442348
"Nintenyearlolds"

Sega mongoloids

>>5442350
yearolds*

>>5442348
"Nintenyearolds"

Segaturds

>>5441481
Degenerate

>>5442357
>>5442352

>not "segays"

The NES in general. There are a few good games but overall I don't like the circlejerking they've been doing over it for years, I hope they move onto more interesting systems like the SNES and Gamecube for remakes/switch online bonuses and the like.
The same is true for Kanto in Pokemon, they barely pander to Johto at all and it's worn me out of Kanto

>>5442429
Zoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom!

>>5442431
Indeed

>>5442429
I really wish they'd done more sequels to their games instead of so many remakes. Next up is Link's Awakening, thinking about how cool a sequel to it would be.

>>5441481
I can't get into any Zelda game post ALttP. I probably need more time with them, but I didn't find them going in the direction I wanted in terms of game play or graphics. Plus with my limited options to emulate them due the controllers it's never going to happen now. Solarus engine is what interests me.

>>5442547
You didn't like Wind Waker or Twilight Princess?

>>5442551
Not really, but they are better than MM and OoT, etc IMO. Might be that the SNES was the last console I owned before uni and a period of PC gaming. When I came back to the N64, gamecube, etc Zelda games it just wasn't the same for me.

>>5442557
>Not really, but they are better than MM and OoT,
Different anon here that's never tried Wind Waker-how does that compare to OoT in terms of scope/size? Does it feel bigger?

>>5442559
I prefer the graphic styles and controls, but I haven't played either enough to know

>>5442547
>Plus with my limited options to emulate them

Tell the people of 2004 that cellphones are literally going to destroy society as we know it, will you?

>>5441481
I can agree, it feels really bland and linear compared to Majora's Mask.

>>5442627
I know you just said this to trigger someone and I happened to scroll past it.
Triggered me twice on a fucking tuesday

>>5442642
Well, I'm not. OoT is really boring.

>>5441481
What a way to pussyfoot, OP. Just call it "Shit Games Thread".

>>5442354
Ninteenagers?

>>5442246
>Capcom doesn't make games
What?

Any ff game. I've completed 1-5 so far and I still don't understand why people love these grindfests so much. At least the job system in five was really good.

>>5442869
>I still don't understand why people love these grindfests so much.
Autism, mostly. Autistic people love the routine of grinding away hundreds of hours making numbers get big and optimizing stats.

skyrim....i could give less than 2 shits about that game

>>5441940
Lol, Hyrule is Rotherham.

>>5441481
>zelda
>mario games that arent spinoffs
>smt/persona
>earthbound/mother
i just cant get into them bros

i dont get the appeal of the obscure garbage this board shills.

>>5442879
Let's be honest, the absolute worst genre in existence = FPS.

Not that would be RTS or immersive sims.

>>5443135
Okay, but what does that have to do with the fact that autistic people enjoy grinding in games?

>>5441676
This. I’m trying so hard to like it. Just got to the Pirate Fortress. I’ve beaten Ocarina countless times and I just can’t get into this one. The structure just doesn’t work well with how I play Zelda games. It’s like it actively discourages multitasking and forces you to do 1 or 2 things at a time before resetting. It’s a neat concept but the execution just doesn’t work.

>>5441718
My top 3 games are
1. Grim Fandango
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Half-Life
1998 was pretty amazing.

t. Born in 1994

>>5441638
>Most people who have fond memories for OoT are more in love with the time period it came out and that time in their lives than the game itself.

Data? Source? What’re you basing this statement on?

>>5442559
Wind Waker has the same whimsical sensation that I had playing OoT. In terms of scope I'd say it's either the same or slightly bigger. Twilight Princess on the otherhand was all about being the most epic Zelda and I still thing it achieves that even when compared to Breath of the wild.

>>5443565
I don't get the feeling that either MM or OoT encouraged multitasking. They want to immerse you in a single activity for a while.

idk i can't get into OoT either though it's hard for me to get into a lot of early 3D unless I played it when I was a kid. Kind of a bummer, a lot of people love the shit out of that game.

>>5443135
It doens't surprise me that people who are brainlet enough to enjoy RPG grinding are too stupid to understand FPS.

>>5442089
Imagine believing ecelebs are relevant other than to autistic children

>>5444480
>you're secure

>>5444480
You're exaggerating, e-celebs are relevant to all kinds of children, including manchildren. Actually, that goes for hollywood and political celebrities too.