/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[3-14] Google announces id software's presence at GDC, Possibly DOOM related
https://twitter.com/googledevs/status/1105964410168721409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1105964410168721409&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231105964410168721409

[3-12] Trailer released for DOOM ANNIHILATION, another live-action Doom movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDF9CPwSvFA

[3-9] Zanieon releases MMDCXIV, feature one large map with three more to come
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=53887

[3-9] DoomRL Arsenal finaly gets a new update, adding in the new PDA, HUD, and some new monsters
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37044

[3-7] 3D Realms announces Wrath, a new game made on Darkplaces
https://twitter.com/3DRealms/status/1103627856201113601

[3-7] SM193 for Quake released, themed on white castls
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61697

[3-7] AMC TC Episode 3 released
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc/downloads/the-amc-tc-episodes-1-2-and-3

[3-7] Author of gameplay mod Hell Caliber looking for playtesting and feedback
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62535

[3-5] TNT 2: Devilution is almost done
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882-tnt-2-devilution-clean-thread-new-updates/

[2-26] Dimension of the Boomed sequel 'Realm of Z-Magic' teaser demo relesed
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104723-the-realm-of-z-magic-teaser-demo/

[2-24] Chex Quest HD trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDblwrDDGc8

[2-22] Powerslave EX mouse fix for Windows 10
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/1218-powerslave-ex-fix/

[2-16] Bungie's Pathways Into Darkness rebult in Aleph One
http://simplici7y.com/items/aleph-one-pathways-into-darkness

[2-21] SM192 released for Quake released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61692


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I NEED A FUCKING QUAKE GF SO FUCKING BAD
AAAAAAAA

WARNING: CANCEROUS OP ALERT

One a scale of 1-7, how fun is Powerslave?

>>5439839
Console: 6
DOS: 5

>>5439784
What the fuck is that image

>>5439839
I dunno, like a 4. It's okay. Kinda clunky.

>trying reelism,
>reels starts to spin
>everything gets really dim and says that way

whats wrong?

Thoughts on the Quake expansions? Just beat them today and they're pretty alright. I do prefer Scourge Of Armagon over Dissolution Of Eternity though. But they're both bretty gud

>>5439839
Saturn version and EX are pretty cool. PlayStation version's alright. PC version's not bad.

>>5439902
I liked that there was an actual fucking boss fight. That was my only complaint about the base game.

>>5439902
Everyone always says DOE has worse level design, but I think the triple rocket launcher makes up for it. What an awesome weapon, speeds up combat so much.

Underrated aspect of gore mods (not you, brutal/ketchup) is how great the different blood colors look together.

>>5439930
Especially with AA's teal caco blood and welch's grape invisible ayys.

>>5439894
An uneducated guess is somehow a whatever gzdoom you're on broke reelism, since graf loves breaking great mods.

>Everybody tell they hate Brutal Doom
>Every Brutal related mod are 10 pages +

>>5439959
in english doc

>>5439929
>I think the triple rocket launcher makes up for it. What an awesome weapon, speeds up combat so much.
The spread rockets are laughably overpowered and game-breaking and you're a fucking moron for liking them.

>>5439978
Your mom is a moron for fucking me

I always appreciate when a megawad avoids dead simple and icon of sin clones.

>>5439959
Brutal Doom is a normie wad.

>>5440030
I sometimes like to think that Gotcha potentially would have had many clones if it had tags 666/667 given to the Cyberdemon and Spider Mastermind.

>>5439938

Where can I get a quick rundown on DOOM lore from DOOM through to D44M?

>>5440047
wtf

>>5439784
I've finished plutonia.
Whew..
I need something easier, a megawad list perhaps, to play.
Any suggestions?

>>5440146
Scythe 1-2, TNT Evilution

>>5440128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfaLHil7JuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFtiJXcqy3o

>>5439959
>underages/people with no taste love BD
>there are a lot of people with no taste
who would've thouhgt.

I tried that recent NBlood port for Blood and it's pretty much the closest we've gotten to an actual source port for Blood. Sure is a difficult game, though.
Saw the same guy did a port for Redneck Rampage and wonder if it's just as good.

>>5439839
Probably around a light 5 to a light 6. One of the better controlling/feeling console FPS games though it has some annoying segments.

How do you give a weapon knockback ability in Decorate? I have a baseball bat that I really like playing with that I ported over from Urban Brawl, but I want it to knock enemies away from you much like the DBS does. I want it to feel like you're knocking enemies halfway across the damn room.

>>5440228
a_radiusthrust?

Is there a cross platform way to add bloom effect to quakespasm?

>>5440257
Smear Vaseline on your eyeballs.

Top5 Doom leveldesigners:
1. John Romero
2. Milo Casali
3. Russell Meakim
4. Dario Casali
5. Paul deBruyne

>>5440158
>giving clicks to youtube channels who get shit wrong all the time and won't even acknowledge doom 64

>>5440265
Carl Sanford Joslyn "Sandy" Petersen
Alfonso John Romero
Paul Corfiatis
Erik Alm
Skillsaw

>>5439930
>>5439932
>tfw no color mixing

Using some liberated code I've cobbled myself together a mighty foot mini addon for DRLA.

It's not perfect but it's useful.

>>5440348
why is the player so tall

>>5440361
DRLA uses a higher than default viewheight for it's player classes.

>>5439959
BD lite actually runs in my computer without becoming a slideshow and Call of Doom has a lot of fun weapons, (a lot of them are useless on the other hand), so I see how some mods can build interesting stuff on top of the spaghetti

the modders do follow the trend of being weirdos tho, one is a furry and the other is a crazy jap

>>5440376
BD lite is a mediocre middle ground, you may as well run something like Dakka with a gore mod.

>>5440361
> low viewheight is normal
ok shorty

>>5440348
> kick barrel
> stand in the fire
> grin like a maniac
good ol demo

> trying to ironman various megawads with DRLA + LegenDoom Lite
> prototype assault shield + nuclear backpack
i've never been carried this hard
also goddamn MIL never fails to make me internally giggle
it's such a good weapon concept
why else did pillow copy it wholesale, excluding the most fun part about it: blowing yourself up like the idiot you are

>>5439839
Why 7?

>>5440140
Run For It!

>>5439784
What was that image?

>>5440431
same dumbass pushing his same 3d models
and i don't know why people still tolerate it
next time when its not the real OP, or an acceptable substitiute, report it

>>5440436
What gives you or other anons the right to demand a particular type of OP pic. What makes pics from one mod or game acceptable but not another? I realize the OP was just trolling, but if people are actually into that stuff then reporting it is stupid, it's not against the rules to like it.

>>5440260
based

What was the OP?

Anyways, pic related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Sn8y0hQg0

>>5440458
mods removing the pic

Alright people it's screenshot saturday. You know the goddamn drill, show us what you're working on, mods, maps, whatever.
It's hard to be excited about screenshot saturday in these threads nowadays, but I'm still going to keep calling for it.

>>5440436
The OP is russian from another imageboard - 2ch.hk, because he posted this pic in their thread. They have a Doom thread as well which is not as popular as here and is full of shitposters - haters/brutalfags/d2016fags/3dmodels forcers/pseudopurist trolls(who "play" DOS version without mouse and WASD). There's no moderation at all. Someone posted a link to 4chan/vr/doom over there so they came here to troll.

>>5440481
>The OP is russian from another imageboard
or you know just some random guy from any country baiting because /doom/ is extremely easy to bait and they bite 100% of the time.

>>5440484
Like you're doing now by leading people along with this stupid ass conversation?

>>5440475
Finally realized nobody uses wooden boxes for shipping anymore, so I replaced them with pallets of cardboard boxes.

EXCITING

>>5440484
It's russian. I translated. (I'm ukrainan btw)

What's the secret to Quake bunny-hopping so I can HUUH all over maps? Every video I watch, it looks like players are using a very-low mouse setting (what seems like low sensitivity but high acceleration), and that looks like it requires a large mousepad and for you to throw your mouse around, which I don't have the space for either. Everyone in videos I've watched shows you the keys to press, but not the other settings for your mouse. I've used the default settings all my life and couldn't get the precise turns that I've been watching.

>>5440481
No it isn't.

>>5440484
Exactly this.

>>5440493
Probably not real.

>>5440495
practice

>>5440495
play better.

>>5440493
You translated. I laughed. Then I retranslated. (I'm russian btw)
>Retards from 4ch will have to learn that I will create new threads with Vasyanomod in OP pic every single time they're being too slow with creating a new thread.

>>5440495
Mouse shouldn't matter for bunnyhopping.

>>5440487
They do, just not very much for regular consumer goods anymore.

>>5440496
No it's real

https://pastebin.com/pxAL2pZV

>>5440505
He's jerking you off, anon. Ignore him.

>>5440505
Nope.

>>5440504
That's what I meant, yeah, this is supposed to be a storeroom for a mall.

>>5440487
The choice of textures and lighting kinda makes it look like GoldSrc, and I like that.

>>5440241
and how would I implement that? Would I just type +a_radiusthrust in a statline, or is it more complex than that? Keep in mind, I'm very, very inexperienced.

>>5439784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_u-8kwmV90
Any mods like this?

>>5440128
check sans of the instructions manuals and intermission texts that show up in the older games

Okay, but what was OP's pic?
another game?

>>5440525
>sans
meant "some"

>>5440537
Maybe this. It's Doom with 3D models, Hires textures and PBR materials with all GZDoom features enabled. This is what is called a vasyanmod.

>>5440510
Speaking of GoldSrc, is there anything decent for Half-Life? Like any decent user-made maps that aren't just for speedrunning? I almost never see Half-Life talked about here, although this thread moreso belongs to stuff like Doom/Quake/Douk/etc, but Half-Life/GoldSrc stuff still fits the category.

>>5440550
I honestly hate it. It's not that it adds these things, it's that it does it so poorly.
Hires textures can go, everything's too shiny and needs increased roughness with some roughmaps, and the models need to be in a different style.
As for the GZDoom features, all of them except maybe multisampling can go.

>>5440553
Half-Life is nothing like Doom. It's more immersive-sim shooter game with slow movement than arcade like Doom/Quake. GoldSrc shoould be in a separate thread.

>>5440560
>Goldsrc isn't retro
>released in 98
Stop

>>5440564
Stop giving the shitter attention. Like you've been doing all thread. This one should've been deleted entirely anyway given it was made to troll.

>>5440564
He didn't say not retro, he said separate thread.

>>5440567
imagine being so petty that an image makes you want to delete the whole thread, why not grow up and just continue having a doom thread as usual?

>>5440564
>>Goldsrc isn't retro
What's with the love for strawman arguments in these threads? Geez.

>>5440265
>>5440296

My top 10
>AD_79
>Darkwave0000
>Esselfortium
>Joshy
>Mechadon
>RottKing
>Skillsaw
>Tarnsman
>Vader
>Xaser

>>5440559
It's joke mod. I guess the most 3D model stuff featured in that pack was already made in around 2002-2007 for JDoom and were abandoned for a long time. They just ported it into GZDoom, added some lazily generated PBR effects and gore/blood mods and now shilling in everywhere to seek attention in a way "Oh man, look - a mod that turns Doom into a modern indie game! Look at these effects! Fuck those old pixels, this is the way Doom is meant to be played!"

>>5440578
>It's joke mod
/doom/ is too dumb to get that, they treat it seriously literally every single time, it's been going on for ages. What's wrong with these people's brains?

>>5440475
>>>/wsg/2743690

They're trying their best okay don't bully them

>>5440586
is that doom slayer's evil twin/rival?
where did you get the idea?

>>5440302
>>5440303
What is this wad?

>>5440591
Nah, that's the shitty bootleg mimic. THIS is the evil twin.

>>>/wsg/2743723

as for the idea, I love the idea of evil clones of characters, so they fight just like the player. That always makes for hectic fights, I might bump the HP up of the Darkslayer a little more.

here's three ideas for new tiers for colorfull hell
>brown
intentionally weak tier, that's weaker than vanilla monsters and drops the most boring goodies to compensate for other monsters either dropping too many goodies or being stronger
their theme is poo
>gold
somewhat rare and op tier that bleeds coins (that can hurt) but makes this sound on death https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nvwUwqo6O8 while either continuously dropping stuff or randomizing which stuff it's going to drop
>rainbow
shape shifter tier that shifts between the 5 basic tier colors (green, blue, purple, yellow, red) and has some rainbow related thing attached to them so you know who they are
for the sake of balance, some transformations aren't as strong as some monsters they're based off

>>5440581
if it's supposed to be a joke running it into the ground isn't the smartest way to go about it. not to mention it isn't funny in the least amount.

>>5440641
they do it because it gets the desired reaction
every single time

>>5440642
are you the same guy that keeps bragging about how smart he is, that he never get baited and frequently says "like flies on shit"
Because that cunt is more annoying than the troll.

>>5440553
There's occasionally a Half-Life/GoldSrc thread in the catalog.
A preferred sourceport for Singleplayer would be Xash3D, since it works better with mods, and fixes a lot of the features and detail that Valve broke over the years.
Steam would however generally have more people on multiplayer servers I think.

For specific mods, Sven-Coop was really cool, and The Specialists is some of the most fun FPS gameplay you can find, but I have no idea how active SvenCoop is now, and The Specialists was pretty barren even just 10 years ago.
Day Of Defeat was also fun, and in spite of contrarians nagging otherwise, Counter-Strike is damn enjoyable too, the latter you could probably still find a fair bunch of people to play with online.
You also have Team Fortress Classic, which doesn't have the stupid hats to change the gameplay, and also has the kickass grenades which TF2 opted not to feature.
Firearms was loads of fun, but the servers for that were a ghost town a long time ago, and you'd be damn lucky to find someone to play that with ever again, at least you'd meet a couple of dudes every now and then for some of the others.

I didn't try out all that many singleplayer mods, but I recall USS Darkstar was cool as hell, one of the early singleplayer campaigns, and one of the most ambitious at that time.

>>5440560
Anon shut your fucking piehole, that's retarded, Half-Life is only slightly less fast and arcadey than Doom and Quake.

>>5440641
The fact that you people keep acting the same way towards it is what makes them keep posting it over and over. It is amazing how long this has been going on for, and it's all because of you brainless fucks.

>>5440646
>someone speaks the truth
>actual subhumans get asspained

every fucking time

>>5440641
It keeps going as long as people react to it, which is the point of trolls.
Some times it's not even the same guy, which might be a similar case to Barneyfag.
No shit their joke isn't funny, because it's not on them.

>>5440646
>the most obvious bait in the world is posted
>this thread as usual falls for it
>someone points this out
>HUH U THINK UR SO SMART HUH

>>5440642
>>5440650
it's funny because people don't even react to it the way you're convinced they do. at best they go 'it looks like shit', post a reaction image and move on.

>>5440654
>>5440659
like flies on shit

>>5440667
The fact that they react at all is good enough for the shitters. Doesn't matter how it's expressed.

>>5440265
Some of my favorites, in no particular order:
>Pipicz
>Years
>Casalis (as well as parts of Team TNT in general)
>Sandy (including him reworking Tom's leftovers)
>Lainos
>Rottking
>Romero (though I think he's a bit overrated)
>Cyriak
>Espi

>>5440654
>>5440659
Right that confirms it then, if it truly bothers you, then leave. Because I agree that people really need to stop taking the bait, but you keep coming out of the shadows to adjust your fedora and chuckle at how stupid people are for taking the bait.
I'm not even mad, I'm just incredibly disappointed with you and the quality of these threads, it's all so fucking tiresome, and before you turn around and say "Well why don't you leave, faggot."
I'm not gonna leave until my mods are finished, I started them here, and I will see them to the end here, I've been here since the start of the /vr/ Doom threads pretty much, and I owe it to some of the anons here to see my mods to completion.

TL;DR people taking the bait are dumb, you guys constantly acting high and mighty suck.

>>5440641
Because it's not the joke. It's literally trolling. And you're falling for the bait every single time, that's the joke!

>>5440672
lmao

>>5440681
>>5440672

Kill yourself.

>>5440684
you actually played yourself

>>5440650
It's the Doom community, dragging pointless shit drama on longer than needed is the main form of entertainment for a lot of it. Especially since the ones that "hate" something the most, are the who go out of their way to bring it up the most, like with BD.

>>5440667
>it's funny because people don't even react to it the way you're convinced they do
And what's the way that we're "convinced" they do that differs from reality exactly? Because anything that isn't ignoring the posts and realizing they're bait is already what I'm complaining about. Every thread you have people treating the posters seriously, making up stories like this guy >>5440481, people who ask others to give it MORE attention like this guy >>5440436 and every time there's a nice discussion about it from people treating it seriously like this >>5440559 guy. A far call from your made up "they just say it looks bad and move on!".

even the so called trolls in here are dumb as fuck.

>>5440681
>Right that confirms it then, if it truly bothers you, then leave.
Why? I'm helping people by pointing out how those types of posts are bait, which will help improve the thread quality when people stop biting it. Sorry that it hurts your feelings.

wow you guys really are quick to get your rustles jimmied

>>5440701
Don't bother trying to educate the subhumans. This thread is beyond redemption. The fact that (((certain individuals))) were given the benefit of the doubt even once is proof of that.

>>5440702
Don't dare to point out the truth or the subhumans will get mad.

>>5440691
>>5440701
>making 4chan a better place, one post at a time
do you want your payment in script lettering or cursives

>>5440704
>OOOK!!!!!

>>5440703
Your falseflagging is really bad. Who are you trying to fool that you're being genuine?

>>5440707
Truth hurts, you fucking sow.

>>5440708
Confirmed.

>>5440710
Confirmed what?

hexen's pretty fun guys

>>5440725
It is, they made some mistakes with not signposting it enough for most players and they could have done with a few more weapons but otherwise it was pretty neat.

>>5440725
Wasn't there some concept art for Hexen 3?

>>5440581
he was talking about the mod itself being the joke, not the intent behind posting it. point is, the mod in itself isn't intrinsically funny because effort was put in. reading comprehension.

>>5440751
see
>>5440642
>>5440650
>>5440658
>>5440682

>>5440751
>he was talking about the mod itself being the joke, not the intent behind posting it.
it's both though.
>the mod in itself isn't intrinsically funny because effort was put in
wut?

>>5440751
>because effort was put in
you mean NO effort put in?
It's just JDoom thrown into GZDoom with one of those shitty "le hd textures" and some other shit lke this (of which there are quite a few) thrown into a mix

For me the funny part is how bitches with no taste on youtube and ModDB eat this shit up as a genuine mod someone made.

SO let's drift the thread away from that nonsense and talk Heretic. What are some good Heretic mods?

>>5440759
the mod in itself isn't funny. there we go.

>>5440778
Wasn't there one which turned the weapons into Quake weapons and also retextured the levels?

>>5440778
there's this one mod that shoots to recreate the quake guns in heretic. it was cool and the guns functioned the way you would expect but it did have some serious balancing issues related to random ammo spawns. made certain levels absolute hell.

threw it in alongside wrath of chronos just to see how I'd like heretic because I found the original arsenal sucked shit. burnt out on the fifth or so map, the aesthetic and flow of the maps bored me to tears.

>>5440778
Heretic+
Wayfarer
Heretical Doom
Elf Gets Pissed
History of Fruit

>>5440779
They replaced Commander Keen to the hanged Donald Trump on a secret MAP32. I guess this explains everything. Also author's nickname on Moddb is vasyan777. In russian mod community the name vasyan describes a bad modder who has no taste in design and who steals everything creating all-in-one packs.

>>5440792
The first episode of Heretic is a god awful slog through the dullest shit imaginable. It picks up later but I can't blame you for dropping it from the awful first impression it makes with that shit ass episode.

>>5440839
The first Heretic episode is the only one I like, the rest are completely forgettable to me in terms of level design.

So I begun to make my first my for Doom. Focus was suppose to be on low tier enemies(zombiemen,imps, pinkies with some shotgunners sprinkled here and there - so there isn't too much shotgun ammo) and low tier weapons (pistol and shotty).

However I ran into issues with encounter design. I can't make challenging encounter (for me) without resorting to:
>monster closet ambushes
>cqb
>locking down arenas
>attacking player from several directions
>monsters in dark areas
>any combination of above

Problem is that if you don't physically prevent it, at any point player can just run away to last chokepoint and deal with thread on his own terms. Only thing that is stopping him is desire to push forward

Imps are a threat only up close. Pinkies move like they are drunk and are a thread only if they manage to surround you or bodyblock you into corner/wall, otherwise you can just kill them with fist if you don't care about wasting time. Hitshitters are a diceroll when it comes to their effectiveness.

Actually, this little project made me like vanilla Doom less than before.

Anyway, do you guys have any idea how to make encounters more diverse without compromising challenge and my concept.

>>5440850
>So I begun to make my first my for Doom
your what?

>>5440850
>>5440853
*map

>>5440829
the mod is crap alright but it's not bad-funny. nothing about it could stand out as done for humoristic purposes save for the Trump thing. the models look decent, the materials on the textures aren't overblown, it could pass as a bad unity game but nothing outrageous.

>>5440792
oh yeah, that. I hated plowing through seven maps with close to no rocket ammo because the pickups wouldn't come up. do you imagine how boring quake does get without any explosives? especially having to fall back to the shotguns every second or so.

>>5440850
>monster closet ambushes
That's ok if you don't rely on it as your main method.

>cqb
I love CQB setups.

>locking down arenas
That's ok for like mini bosses I figure.

>attacking player from several directions
That's fine if there's some room to move/cover.

>monsters in dark areas
That's fun.

>any combination of above
Combinations can be fun.

Beyond Reality is getting a bit tough once you reach map 10.

>>5440475
Been working on my first mod, a set of maps based on Ganymede. Playing around with skybox textures to get a decent Jupiter in the sky

>>5439794
http://m210.duke4.net/
WitchavenGDX & TekwarGDX updated as part of beta BuildGDX multilauncher

Basically vanilla