/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[3-12] Trailer released for DOOM ANNIHILATION, another live-action Doom movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDF9CPwSvFA

[3-9] Zanieon releases MMDCXIV, feature one large map with three more to come
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=53887

[3-9] DoomRL Arsenal finally gets a new update, adding in the new PDA, HUD, and some new monsters
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37044

[3-7] 3D Realms announces Wrath, a new game made on Darkplaces
https://twitter.com/3DRealms/status/1103627856201113601

[3-7] SM193 for Quake released, themed on white castles
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61697

[3-7] AMC TC Episode 3 released
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc/downloads/the-amc-tc-episodes-1-2-and-3

[3-7] Author of gameplay mod Hell Caliber looking for playtesting and feedback
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62535

[3-5] TNT 2: Devilution is almost done
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882-tnt-2-devilution-clean-thread-new-updates/

[2-26] Dimension of the Boomed sequel 'Realm of Z-Magic' teaser demo released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104723-the-realm-of-z-magic-teaser-demo/

[2-24] Chex Quest HD trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDblwrDDGc8

[2-22] Powerslave EX mouse fix for Windows 10
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/1218-powerslave-ex-fix/

[2-16] Bungie's Pathways Into Darkness rebuilt in Aleph One
http://simplici7y.com/items/aleph-one-pathways-into-darkness

[2-21] SM192 released for Quake released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61692

[2-19] Colorful Hell updated to 0.96, introducing a new tier and more
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&start=705#p1092145

[2-18] SIGIL delayed until April
https://rome-ro.squarespace.com/news/2019/2/16/sigil-update


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fuck this map, but very tenderly and lovingly

doom movie

>>5432220
You playing hideous destructor or something?

Computers are wild

>>5432230
Yup. Cyberdemon at the end was a real nuisance I'll tell you what; thank goodness I was able to snag a Vulcanette off a dead chaingunner and completely annihilate this demonic jerk.

>>5432272
You gotta be faster if you want that rocket launcher.

bros I need a hunter gf or i'm going to die unhappy and alone

>>5432291
> he didnt know there was even a rocket launcher there

>>5432275
that was one of the best maps ive every played honestly
> that archvile trap, goddamn
also if you didnt get the hell knights to kill the cyber I dont know what to tell you, because usually there's enough of that to go around that you still have to wipe alot of those guys

also whats that green shit coming off the cyber
> I presume its supposed to simulate Argent or such?

>>5432307
Those arch-viles are evil jerks from the actual hell, and not video game hell. When you kill them they've got a chance of resurrecting all the guys you've killed, even the guys that usually don't resurrect from a random frag shard.

>also if you didnt get the hell knights to kill the cyber I dont know what to tell you, because usually there's enough of that to go around that you still have to wipe alot of those guys
It was too risky to try to make them infight because all the projectiles go really really fast and you go really really slow, hell knights will throw their green guff at you and set you on fire. What ended up happening is I lured a bunch of hell knights around a corner and blasted them with both barrels of my SSG.

>also whats that green shit coming off the cyber
That's his energy shield, it'll recharge if you're not killing him.

So how well does DoomRLA work with the most recent stable GZDoom?

Will it work fine, or should I use 2.1.1 as suggested?

Is there a visual difference between 30 fps (or 35 fps) and 60 fps in Doom?

>>5432410
Think real hard about your question.

>>5432410
like 30 fps

>>5432410
Yes, a difference of 25 to 30 frames per second.

>>5432383
devbuild i got 2 days ago works a-ok
inverted monster aim pitch was fixed, which seemed to be the only version related issue present

>>5432383
It's easiest to set 2.1.1 aside for it, that way you know it's always going to work as intended.

How do I play Doom in class guys I dont have a laptop :(

Should I just use PRBoom 3DS

>>5432463
delta touch

>>5432465
That shits $3 for a port of a free PC utility

>>5432471
>$3
sorry, I tend to forgot that I'm surrounded by neets

>join only populated DM server, one guy and a bot
>he immediately disconnects

>>5432463
don't play shit in class

>>5432474
>Neet
>"in class"
hmmmmmm

>>5432424
>>5432432
>>5432436

It still looks pretty much the same to me. The movement is smoother but there's only so many frames of animation for each monster and sprite that I can't tell any difference.

>>5432505
I don't see why increasing the framerate would somehow increase the animation frames of sprites. You'd need a mod like Smooth Doom for that.

*ahem*

FUCK ZSCRIPT

>>5432573
elaborate

>>5432593
It's just a shitposter. At this point he's just using the Zscript drama as a platform his pointless shitflinging.

aagh

>>5432505
So yeah there is (almost) no difference if you stand perfectly still in-game and all the sprites animations are synced.

>>5432397
NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO SIR.

Hey /quake/ friends, how can i get quakespasm to show me my movement speed? Ive tried googling and have come up empty, looked for both in-built functionality and mods to add a speed counter.

>>5432667

>>5432681
I don't think that it supports it. I know that Darkplaces does, but Darkplaces is, y'know... Darkplaces.

>>5432681
Doesn't have it.

>>5432667
aagh

Is there a decent Doom discord to talk about gameplay and wads?

>>5432196
>Trailer released for DOOM ANNIHILATION

That is so bad I almost can't believe it.

>>5432729
i need a version of this but with the scout
> automap on start and faster speed to UV max any map in record time on a blind run
> is an absolute monster with literally the dinkiest weapon in the game
> does not need powerful weapons to compensate, instead compensates for weak weapons with unmatched skills
> only uses pistols to keep one hand free
> or dual wields
> never missed a shot in his life

>>5432681
It doesn't have that, but EZQuake does, and they have similar jumping physics or whatever

>>5432765
ezquake is a Quakeworld port with noticeably different bhopping physics than Netquake.

>>5432765
EZQuake sucks DICK for singleplayer
-Runes don't work right last time I checked
-Different physics
-No music
-When you die, you restart the level with all the stuff you had right before you died. (ex: find rocket launcher mid level, die, restart with said RL)

>>5432782
Because ezquake is a MP focused port.

>>5432731
>discord
yikes.

This shit has to be practically the best Doom mod ever.

>>5432667
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

Where can I get a hold of the bloodless death animations for Doom?

So is the new Doom movie a matter of the IP holder just making something to keep sitting on the IP with?

>>5432275

>>5432272

someone gotta do the hideos destructor for Dook

What's a good mapset for DoomRLArsenal? Besides Oblige.

>>5433049
https://soulsphere.org/hacks/slige/

>>5433102
I meant a Non-Randomized Megawad.

I would recommend this a ton based on the xbox version
halo 1, 2, and ODST are masterpieces
but the master chief collection has 1 - 4, ODST and reach

>>5433165
Not in the least bit retro.

>>5433167
halo 1 and 2 are

>>5433169
"no"

>>5433169
>year 2001

>>5433171
quake 3 is 1999
its 2 years

>>5433173
>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>>5433176
ok, you're right

>>5433176
indeed.

now let's have a discussion about doom 3, doom 4, quake champions and doom eternal yet again.

>>5433179
my apologies

>>5433180
doom 3 is a boring indistinct mess, doom 4 is decent but lacks replay value, quake champions could've been good if the devs had any clue what they were doing, and doom 5 isn't out yet so I have no opinion on it

>>5433184
>doom 4 is decent but lacks replay value

Try snapmap. It's very cool and simple fun.

>>5432791
thanks for proving you're literally no better

>>5433102
Why would you recommend Slige? Thats very dated compared to Oblige. Very blocky layouts.

>>5433275
zoinks.

>>5433281
because he asked for something that wasn't Oblige.

Sides it's interesting and puts out very 90s maps, also Oblige versions differ greatly for what sort of maps they put out.

>>5433171
>>5433170
>>5433179
No, 2001 games ARE considered retro if they run on 1999 platforms, even if released later. It's no different than console games released in the early 2000s for 5th gen consoles. I don't understand what imaginary lines people think should exist for PC games that don't apply to console games, but it is not at all implied there are separate rules in the /vr/ sticky.
Halo 2 i don't know about, but Halo 1 definitely runs on 1999 hardware and OS. Its system requirements are far older and modest than gzdoom ffs.

>>5432731
No, they're all shit circlejerks.

>>5433292
PC/OS is not considered platform for this sake, or some of the 2008 games and such too could be considered retro since you could theoretically run them on those PCs, albeit really slowly.

>>5433292
We've have same discussion on this board with same arguments every month or so.
The answer is still no.

>>5433296
There's always a stream of releases of very low spec indie games that you can run on said hardware too.

>>5432731
Sure, but they are full of mentally ill people. I don't recommend.

>>5433308
he asked if there was a decent one.

>>5433308
like this thread?

>>5433315
gottem.

What was the mod for GZDoom that shuffles monster appearance for each level?
It does not change monster stats or behaviour, but at the start of each level it picks a visual replacement for each enemy type and replaces every enemy with the same different looking enemy, so everything is consistent for one level until the next one?
I remember seeing it on ZDoom forums but can't seem to be able to find it since i dont remember its name.

>>5432112
>Karl Urban
>Dwayne Johnson
>ugly
Go to hell.

>>5432440
They're barrels full of frag shards.

>>5432220
I find it's one of the most atmospheric iwad maps, the music is excellent.

>>5433336
>go to hell
>Doom thread
Ha ha.

>>5432272
The fuck? The little platform with the rocketlauncher is supposed to raise so you can get it, but the entire wall lowered instead, how did you get that shit to happen?

>>5432275
Vulcanette is a darling.

>>5432307
TNT has some GREAT maps in the middle.

>>5433308
I see you too have been on the zdoom discord.

>>5432678

>>5433332
shades of Doom?

>>5433296
>>5433307
I doubt many indie or 2008 releases are able to run on windows 9x on directX 8, or even 9, so this argument doesnt hold water.
Futher, if someone releases a NES game this year it's still on topic here, doesnt invalidate the principle the same as modern mods using modern gzdoom tech are still on topic.

>>5432410
Yeah.

>>5432731
There is, but I prefer to not leave it wide open.

>>5433040
Potentially. That's why there was an incredibly shitty Hellraiser movie a few years back, which looked like it was shot on a camcorder, it was made so the studio could keep the license.
Could be a thing like that, combined with the fact that someone saw that Doom 4 did really well commercially and critically, so they jumped at the opportunity hoping to get some cash.

>>5433382
Making mods for retro PC games is almost the same as romhacking old console games anyway.

>>5433382
by that logic Morrowind and NWN generals would be legal here, but they've been purged every time they were made

>>5432220
I have played both Doom games, and I still don't know what PAR stands for.

>>5433414
never played golf?

>>5433414
You're supposed to complete the level in this time.

>>5433414
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par_(score)

>>5433395
I've seen many post-1999 PC games being discussed on /vr/, so i can only assume the mods are inconsistent about deciding what crosses the line.

>>5433414
I don't remember the exact words, but it's the author of the map's fastest recorded time, rounded up by five.
Basically, "This is my best attempt at just running for the exit in my level, can you beat it?"

It's just a little thing for speedrunners, basically.

>>5433424
Deus Ex tends to manage to sneak in because it's JUST at the cusp (like by a few days IIRC), and Diablo 2 tends to sneak in through Diablo threads, etc.

I don't think it's a problem, personally. In my opinion, that not a lot of people share, the rule should just be changed in the year 2020, so that a game, no matter the the system, only qualifies if it's at least 20 years old, because of what a really significantly long time ago it was. That way, you don't get late stragglers on say, 6th gen systems, or stuff like that.
Or maybe make it 2025, and 25 years old.

>>5432505
have you tried, I don't know... moving your camera around?

>>5432493
still valid, you are not studying, you are trying to play doom

>>5432573
I don't know anything about zscript but I imagine is suspiciously similar to java or a direct copy paste of unrealscript

>>5432410
>>5432424
>>5432432
>>5432436
>>5432505
Protip:
Turn off Interpolate Movement.
The game looks horrible with the movement of monsters smoothed.
> like quake 1 there is a kinda creepy feeling about the monsters having more stilted motion on the screen
> and anyway unless you're using something like smooth doom the lack of movement animation frames makes monsters with interpolated movement seem like they're moving in slow motion or sliding around on the floor
Turn off interpolated movement, play through a full episode or ten levels of doom, and see if you've gotten used to it.
>>5432463
>>5432492
this
doom is an experience best left for home life past 9pm
>>5432593
>>5432573
this, I think someone should fork GZ from before the graphics engine was fucked, and expand Decorate to be even more detailed and useful without it becoming code
> incorporate all of the capabilities of implementing a quake 1 and possibly arcane dimension conversion de-facto
>>5432596
well now there's two or more of us
people are starting to speak out about this shit and thats good, eventually it will be pitchforks

>>5433452
>spoiler
funnily enough I messed around with deus ex modding a bit, and the moment I read up on unrealscript, a lot of things in zscript suddenly made a lot more sense

>>5433501
one day you'll have the slightest clue what you're talking about, but it's not today

>>5432573
>>5433501
if you're defending someone using pepe edits, you unironically should be executed

>>5433180
>>5433184
>>5433040
>>5432737
I think its part of an effort to bury OG 90s doom so that people only think of doom3, d44m, the new doom game, and QC as anything doom related.
>>5432778
>>5432783
>>5432782
bhopping was a mistake and they should not have kept it
>>5433509
I know exactly what im talking about, front and back.

>>5433525
considering you went "palette swaps can't be done in zscript" when palette swapping has *always existed in doom* in the form of translations, no, you don't know a damn thing

How do you configure the inputs for the DOOM RPG emu?

>>5432691
>>5432729
What mod is the renegade from??

>>5433531
You completely missed what I had proposed there though.
1) An actor which uses the same palette for all of its sprites
2) Which is exchanged for a completely different 256 color palette (instead of a remap)
Since the sprites can come in with their own palette now as png files rather than inheriting the game's PLAYPAL that means you can come up with palettes specifically custom to each sprite set.
And then when you want to change the colors of the sprite to avoid redundancy... you tell the game "Load this new palette for this actor, eg, or use the palette from XYZ sprite image" which then changes all the colors on the palette for the sprites that actor uses.
DUH

what im talking about is how command & conquer had a bunch of different palettes that it would flip through [not quite a good example, because some colors in it were reserved so that sprites didnt end up looking funky - but there might have been a few cases where minor color changes for them were intended whether it was desert, temperate, icy, etc]

delete quake champions
make a new game and disguise it as a BR
call it UnnamedPlayer's Battlegrounds
but in reality it's just regular FFA

>>5433579
and moreover on that its a 2 dimensional approach to color changing compared to altering the H/S/L of the sprite images through translation, because all that does is affect one color change on the entire sprite
whereas with a palette swap you're able to meticulously pick different color adjustments for the entire palette.

And im not sure about this, but when you're using PNG files that have their own color palette and you apply a translation to it - it uses the game's PLAYPAL colors to map to instead of the colors that were actually on the palette the PNG file came with. Because ive tried to do this before and had specific intentions of which colors the PNGs would be remapped to (because im smart like that) and instead it fucked up the colors.

Really id rather just pop in a new Palette to swap to with a fresh new 256 colors, tweaked to be however I wanted it to be and use whatever colors I want.

>>5433583
> I heard the wood shattering sound effect from arcane dimensions

>>5433583
my keks are leling.

>>5433579
>>5433589
>>5433531
And there's another thing you dont understand about colors either.
Its a fuckton easier to change the colors on an entire sprite, or 3d model skin, by affecting a palette swap even if you're making a new sprite set or skin to complement an existing one (eg "when you have a nastier red colored monster, that also has lightning colored greaves, and its horns have turned black")
> its one reason we really ought to have large size palettes such as 512 colors, 1024 colors
Because if you try to do the various color shifting techniques in Photoshop you're going to end up with bleed-overs and imprecisions and god forbid if you have to do that to 250 individual images.
With a 3d model skin you're going to have to make those changes at a minute level to get it right - make the broad color shifts that you know are safe - but then you're going to have to zoom in and get the lasso tool and fine-tune select all of the areas that you actually want to change the colors on to avoid bleedover into the ones you dont (different shades of flesh/orange, you want the flesh to change, but not the orange, etc).
A fucking disaster as it currently stands and people just roll with it and waste alot of time and effort because there's no other way currently.
> which is critically important in a Hobby, because you've got jobs and kids and beer that needs to be drank, you really dont need to be having to waste time with shit like this and strangling zscript to get it to work - you just want shit to work and get done quick so you can see the results

>>5433579
>>5433589
I praise the lord that I never again have to use paletted sprites/textures again. I've done this(creating bitmap graphics, juggling palettes) for 20 years and what a joy it was to finally work only with 24 or 32 bit images.

>>5433564
I think it's DRLA

>>5432573
Someone suddenly forgot High Noon Drifter, huh?

>>5433501
ZScript is useful as fuck, you dumb faggot.

>>5433579
... so, use a translation that covers the entire palette?
you know there's multiple ways to change the translation an actor uses too, right

again, no idea what you're talking about re doom modding

>>5433613
Read
>>5433612
even with the ability to work with truecolor images there's still benefits to working with palettes. In my opinion it just makes it possible to use any palette you want with your images, but even within that subset there's still a massive amount of power to being able to palette swap
Its kinda like lets say you have a blue tonemap or a grayscale pretty much for a flaming thing or plasma ball. If you could switch the palette out, you could make it to where different parts of the plasma ball take on different color hues kinda like the difference between thermal imaging warmth palettes compared to grayscale.
So that you dont have to be stuck with only "translate it to XYZ hexadecimal color"

This cant be achieved currently without making a completely new sprite which just looks different, and then shoveling the effort onto the Actor by having to provide different sets of states to denote >"if it had this charge level, it jumps to the GreenSprite animations, if it has this charge level then jump to the BlueWhite animations"
and if the fucker had 60-90 frames each thats a yuge amount of bloat, and alot more shit that has to be loaded and processed at the beginning, and delivered with your mod.
> not that 60 frames of smoke or plasma ball isnt about double the bloat it ought to have at most anyway

>>5433619
I dont care and I would rather we didnt have it, regardless of what it allows for.
I would rather Quake1 have had Decorate or something like it, instead of qc
> no need to compile
at least command & conquer red alert had rules.ini
and tiberian sun and red alert 2 went balls deep with it

>>5433635
oh wait, another thing; translations aren't actually bound to the palette you use; the translation syntax supports mapping a range to arbitrary colors, specified via RGB

so you can do exactly what you're asking for, which you would've known if you actually read the zdoom wiki instead of being a complete retard
https://zdoom.org/wiki/Translation#Direct_color_translations

>>5433396
I presume the staff just arbitrarily make exceptions for games they like at this point.

>>5433636
For example I used to abuse the fuck out of this capability back when I was making sprites for Fallout Tactics, because the editor that we had for making the sprites ("Spray") took photoshop palettes along with alpha embedded raw images for the sprites.
The game was truecolor so it didnt matter what palettes you used, its just the sprites definitely needed a 256 color palette. And pretty much all of the vanilla sprites for it had their own individual palettes.

So what id do is make up a palette or take an existing one (like the Fallout 1/2 palette) and change it to suit the kinds of sprites I was using.

But if I wanted to change the colors on something to make XYZ versions (hot bullets, really hot bullets, flaming gay pink bullets, whatever) I would take the palette and change the colors on those ranges and then load that right back in with a copy of the sprite.
> without changing the sprite images themselves at all
Bada-Boom.
Also used it to fuck with the vanilla sprites such as some of the Explosions to make them look hotter, plasmified, toxic-green, etc. By doing nothing more than changing their individual palettes.

>>5433653
>>5433643
Nope I already knew about that
From the techniques in the wiki I will point out the weaknesses:
> Translation 2
This just uses built in range remaps, the most inflexible of all
> Translation "112:127=208:223", "192:207=16:31"
Thats the default way you're supposed to do it. Its flexible but its still bound to the PLAYPAL, and if the PNG file has its own palette the remapped colors will be busted off and replaced with PLAYPAL colors instead
THIS DOES NOT GIVE IT A NEW PALETTE
> Translation "Ice"
Again highly inflexible as the first option, its just a mathematical routine to replicate the hexen ice effect
> Translation "0:255=%[0,0,0]:[1,0,0]"
The wiki literally states this string would change the entire sprite to have a specific color range.
It will not produce complex shifts, it wont leave the gray colors of armor and horns and equipment alone, it wont change only the skin color of the demons but not the flames around their fists.

Please tell me you understand BY NOW?

>>5433396
That's sad, I miss NWN.

>>5433660
wow, you really are a complete idiot
how did you manage to not read the exact fucking section I linked to? how? how are you this stupid?

>>5433564
That Virgin/Chad edit you quoted is all DRLA.

>>5433667
gaslighting doesnt work on me

>>5433670

>>5433670
I'd give you an example of how to do it because you're too retarded to figure it out, but the last time I did (decorate to zscript) you refused to even look at it

you're too stupid to add semicolons and default blocks to your decorate and too stupid to read. why should anyone take you seriously?

>>5433660
what mods have you done, anyway?

>>5433675
because im against zscript in principal
i can make the changes
but it really grates on me that im writing "class" in front of shit instead of "actor"
yes it takes That Much enjoyment out of my hobby, I wont even do it.

>>5433681
Kill yourself.

>>5433691
when I say I hate programming, im not talking about the prospect of doing it
im talking about Programming Languages themselves... C, C++, Java, everything else like that
> burn it in a fire
so
even if I can translate decorate stuff into zscript, it leaves an enormous bad taste in my mouth
because of the syntax required
because I have to type "class"
not gonna fucking happen
I did it to maybe 3 entries before I slammed my fist on the keyboard

just so happens there's alot of other people who wont speak up who hate zscript, for different reasons, but they still want to see it burn

>>5433641
Well you're fucking alone in that, and thank God for that.

What are your early impressions of Sigil?

y'know what, I'm gonna make something productive out of this. your entire problem with translations is, once you get past how monumentally stupid you are, is that you want the ability to turn a palette image into a translation so you don't have to make potentially incredibly long translation strings.

I just made a feature request for that; it'll hopefully appear on the zdoom forums whenever. so there was *some* value to this heaping pile of idiocy, even if it was accidental.

>>5433696
>I did it to maybe 3 entries before I slammed my fist on the keyboard
find a therapist. seriously, that's not okay.

>>5433703
Looks pretty cool, the cyberdemon maze chase is a neat setpiece.
I don't think it'll be the best .wad of all time or anything, but I fully expect something above average.

> potentially incredibly long translation strings
ill admit that would work
but it would be woefully bloated and inefficient
> made the feature request even if it was accidental
this idea has been around since the 90s
there's absolutely nothing new about it
palette swaps have been used in games since the early days, even before 8bit images I think
this is the stupidity I HAVE to deal with out of people, they forgot the wheel even exists, let alone reinventing it
>>5433708
> find a therapist, seriously, thats not okay
Death

>>5433696
>im talking about Programming Languages themselves... C, C++, Java, everything else like that
What does that even mean. How can you hate programming languages in general. That's just autistic.
>just so happens there's alot of other people who wont speak up who hate zscript, for different reasons, but they still want to see it burn
There are also many people who use it to make cool mods that wouldn't be possible (or only possible with shitty hacks) in Decorate.

>>5433614
>>5433669
Thanks guys, I'm going to try DRLA out today. Never gave it much thought but the gameplay seems sweet.

>>5433732
>image
oh fuck off, you're the one crying for the removal of zscript because you don't like it, and even when you fucking get what you want, you still bitch about it
what the hell is wrong with you? why are you this much of an ungrateful piece of shit?

>>5433289
Slige maps all kinda blur together, and have mediocre gameplay. I'd rather just play dtwid, or actual 90's maps if I wanted 90's gameplay.

>>5433748
Because his mom drank with him in the womb, and his dad molests him daily.

>>5433696
What if somebody made a decorate to zscript translator, would you use that?
Write all your shit in decorate, then throw the file in the translator.
Your anger is a bit irrational, but that doesn't bother me because I think you probably have your own good reasons for not wanting to type the word class, and it's a trivial point, so much so, that arguably you should have the method you're comfortable with available.

>>5433748
I havent gotten what I want yet, and im relentless.
> these days we call that being basedAF
> this train has no brakes

>>5433759
No, we call that being an insipid fuckwit.

>>5433759
You are seriously the biggest fucking idiot who's posts I have ever had the misfortune of reading in years of browsing these threads and witnessing their devolution. Nothing you say could ever pass as coherent in any fashion. A doped up orangutang could make more sense than you, and your attitude is

>> these days we call that being basedAF

Just imagine someone over the age of 13 writing this unironically. This is the level of intelligence we're dealing with here. If you could be redeemed, the time for that is long past.

If God exists, may he have no mercy on your soul.

>>5433773
>>5433761
> almost three times that age and have been modding doom ever since 1995, mostly just for my own uses
> I remember installing it from four floppy disks and making a boot disk to run it
> ive used hex editors on it and other games, like xcom
get the fck out of this thread
get the fck out and just leave

>>5433696
Stop fucking complaining about zscript if you won't even touch ACS

>>5433783
again, what mods have you made/are you working on?

>>5433789
>>5433790
I wont touch ACS because im not a map maker.
I have never made any maps for doom/zdoom because thats not what im interested in.
ACS was used to control map switches and move walls around in hexen or such.
> its still programming like zscript though
>>5433790
none published, all personal
made plenty of sprites that ive dropped though, from the things I was making for myself

>>5433783

>>5433709
>cyberdemon maze chase
Weren't that a thing in No Rest for the Living?

>>5433819
>>5433809
>>5433790
Oh wait thats right, almost forgot
im the one who made that low-fi graphics booster for Smooth Doom
> converted some fireballs to particle effects, made the plasma sparkles pop, gave fire sparks to some monster fireballs, made the plasma look real nice using only additive effects

>>5433783
Dehacked was a whole lot of fun back then.

>>5433783
I don't give a shit how old you are, you're still a mentally damaged shithead.

>>5433831
Looks interesting, can you share a link?

How do you turn on the status face in hideous destructor? I always see it in gameplay posted online, but never saw the option in game.

>>5433809
>I wont touch ACS because im not a map maker.
I.... okay, Anon.

>>5433857
>>5433831
>>5433708
And you know how I did that with the imp fireballs and other "hd" effects?
I set all of the fireballs to additive at 100% opacity
I added a Translation string that remapped some of the brighter colors in the fireballs to be brighter (so they are more dense/bright) and remapped the darker colors to be darker so that under the Additive effect they would be made much more transparent than usual.

I replaced the palette with this one which I reworked from one of the 1024 dooms (comes prepackaged in Slade3). Which added Teal colors reminiscent of BTSX.
So that way the atmosphere could be gritter and more foreboding and the additive transparency effects could be more complete.
And I took the initiative that Sparks should be Bright but Small so I used sprites like those and instead of fading them out I just progressively A_SetScale to make them smaller every frame until I wanted them to disappear (which was a random delay).
> Link?
Its in the zdoom forums in the mod thread for smooth doom. Youll have to rewind back to sometime around the end of 2017 or early 2018 to find the posts.
One of the other changes it made was with the varieties of chaingunners.

>>5433837
It was, but there were alot of things I wanted to change which it couldnt do
> how much damage an explosion causes
> how much of a radius multiplier it has for that
> how much damage a bullet causes
> projectiles over speed 30+
but yeah, at least it allowed folks to change things, which is a sight better improvement than
> "we let the specs for making maps fall off the back of a truck, wink wink"

I do remember the BarneyDoom conversion that replaced pinkies with barney. Fun as hell starting E3M3 pandemonium and having to chainsaw that fucker as comes right at you.
> hard to believe, back then they did the full wad replacement with individual .PPM format images which I think was a 1:1 format for the wad at the time.

lol what the fuck is this shit
overall this map kind of sucks but visually it was cool until i came across this random ass fucking movie logo just slammed in the middle of everything

>>5434054
whats wrong with that saturation/contrast?

>>5434054
Yep, thats map01 of hexen alright

>>5434065
is this the tron map some other anon has been posting about or teasing? I honestly don't know if they were trolling or what.

I kept asking about it autistically but they never took the bait.

>>5433525
I think you're paranoid schizophrenic.

>>5434086
its MMDCXIV, its in the news post, the creator has posted some shit about it here but i didn't see anything about it being tron related
its the same guy who made hunters moon which i also hate so its not a surprise i don't like it, no idea why the guy loves gigantic fucking hallways so much

>>5433641
If you don't like ZScript, just don't use it.

>>5434109
He fills his maps with bright neon lights but makes it dark as fuck, it doesn't look right

>>5434112
new features may, or are being added ONLY to zscript while Decorate is becoming depreciated and those new features are not being made accessible to it
> BFP-9000
> big fucking problem
Its as bad as the GL only functions that absolutely would not work in Software even though people had been doing that shit in Software style games since the 90s
> eg, UT

>>5434140
please learn how to greentext if you insist on using 4chan

>>5434140
Sounds like a personal problem to me.

>>5434065
It's visually a reference to that movie.
Which I kinda liked, the movie visuals that is. He nailed the aesthetic.
Haven't played the map yet though so I dunno how it is gameplay wise

>>5434140
You act like basic ZScript isn't just DECORATE with semicolons.

>>5433442
>tl:dr PS2 isn't retro REEE

>>5434173
Except instead of a bare-bones scripting tool it's an actual language where you can define new functions and access a lot more stuff.

>>5434230
>>5433442
IMO specific clauses should be allowed for some PC games like Morrowinf, Deus Ex and NWN on a game-to-game basis.
Also GBA since it's basically SNES.

>>5434237
Well yeah, but retard over here is bitching that new features are "only" added to ZS, which is nonsense when basic ZS is DECORATE with semicolons. You can easily scale your working knowledge into those new features, or use old methods you prefer with a few new things mixed in. It's not an all-or-nothing thing.

>>5434237
could give a fuck less about defining new functions myself
how about the developers take requests, design those functions themselves, and stick it in
...vanilla doom and none of the ported games of it have a Railgun function but yet its in there.

Also the overbearing emphasis on "graphics" in a retro themed game is NOT going to keep zdoom alive. It absolutely will not. Especially since graf keeps fucking up with voxels and 3d models. Anybody who's making Quake remakes in zdoom is doing it with sprites and so far its looked like they're going to maximum port compatability with it.
> most of the fancy graphics shit people have been doing can be done at a lower level with legacy effects, fuck even the Additive blending capabilities alone are enough to pull off alot of shit.

Graf is a dumbass for trying to make the game functional at a modern level with shaders and all that bullshit. Nobody wants that here, it doesnt fit with the level of pixelation in the game engine. If they want that shit they're far more interested in some other game, like Unreal Engine 4 or 5 if its out, which this game is certainly seeming to have the same requirements for now.
> solving a problem nobody wants solved, at great expense

>>5434259
Go make your own fork and implement whatever feature you want then.

>>5434259
>how about the developers literally design every imaginable function for everyone
Shut the fuck up RSSwizard

>>5434256
possibly, but Graf hasnt even provided documentation about ZS so its pointless
> "here's this new function" (but I wont tell you how to use it)
>>5434263
> fails to understand that I dont do programming
>>5434259
And I cant stress enough just how much of a fuckup the graphics tweaks have been, the way they've slowed the game down immensely.
When the types of things that people WANT to add to the game through mods are CPU intensive and would only be properly served by a more Efficient engine that can handle enormous map limits and zillions upon zillions of sparkles and smoke puffs and other glitter flying around the screen.
> and thats already assuming that combined with the fact people have faster computers now
Massive shot in the foot there.
Its almost like someone paid Graf to soft kill the game.

>>5434241
No, my point was that the N64 was a newer console at the time /vr/ was established than the PS2, GC, GBA, and Xbox are today. There is absolutely no reason they shouldn't be discussed on /vr/ apart from "the Halo/Tony Hawk/GTA fans from /v/ will come in and ruin the board" and if that's the real reason, why even have a /vr/ anyway.

>>5434065
>being mad at a fucking texture

>>5434279
>he hasn't unpacked gzdoom.pk3 to see how ZS works

>>5434287
you practically need CS degree just to be able to open a .pk3

>>5434292
Okay, now I know you're trolling.

>>5434296
do not engage

>>5434286
>defending throwing a fucking movie logo on the wall for no fucking reason whatsoever
overall the textures in this map are fucking garbage too, so many instances of low res and high res textures alongside one another

>>5434309
replace it then, doom modding is not some arcane magic

>>5434287
I kinda/sorta have
But for the longest time its been known squarely that gzdoom.pk3 is a black box you're NOT supposed to touch.
And from what I saw in there I didnt understand much of it, its just a bunch of fucking spaghetti and cheese that didnt make sense. Like the basic algorithm for producing shot hitscans makes no sense, it just pulls a bunch of random shit out of the air and tosses it together. There's nothing suggesting why the rules established there come out to anything, make any sense.

Graf should never have taken those things out of the base code and put them there. That should all be hardcoded shit, in the zdoom sourcecode. You're not supposed to touch it, it depends on internal shit you have no idea of which exists unless you looked at the sourcecode. Thats Graf's twisted ass mind in that .pk3. There's barely any commenting and like a traditional programmer everything is shortened and abbreviated to all fuck without spelling out variables or functions in any intelligible way.
Hands off that shit man...


>>5434292
> in fairness no, slade3 does it just fine
> though reading through shit that the internal viewer wont display is a pita, because then you actually have to extract the shit and if ive got no intention of messing with it then its hard to set aside yet another folder for organization to bother with it

>>5434279
learn to code then

>>5434285
I think it's more a matter of a paradigm shift that came with Gen 6, and radically increased corporatisation of the game industry

>>5434318
Would rather just delete the wad, which I've already done.

>>5434323
Don't think they wouldn't have done the same shit in the mid 90s if they had the internet infrastructure we had today.

>>5434285
create a new board..

>>5434328
But they hadn't and they didn't, and that reflects on the games they made back then.

>>5434323
>a paradigm shift that came with Gen 6, and radically increased corporatisation of the game industry
That's absolute nonsense, it was "corporitized" like fuck by the 80s, and there's been paradigm shifts many times since the year 2000.

>>5434336
b-b-but /v/ told me everything was better in the 80s and 90s

>>5434287
I need to finish my Decorate project first.

>>5434292
Barring you being so retarded that you can't just unpack it with 7Zip, you can just open it with Slade like it's a .wad

>>5434321
>But for the longest time its been known squarely that gzdoom.pk3 is a black box you're NOT supposed to touch.
Bullshit, just open it and look, I've done it a million times to look at Decorate, GLDEFS, SNDINFO, etc.

>This thread

>>5434346
my solution to this was to use the online Wiki and take screenshots of the pages that had the various functions that I gave a shit about
> fireshot screen capture tool is real nice
Which I went to the trouble of reducing in size and saving for long term reference.

There is no real comprehensive documentation for ZS on the wiki though.

>>5434353
my IQ 90 brain can't into programming, just 2D and 3D art....and some music composing

>>5434335
But why?
>people care too much about graphics
You're in a fucking Doom thread, id Software's entire marketing strategy for nearly 20 years was "look at these awesome graphics"
>they weren't owned by publicly traded multinational corporations
Atari was outright bought by Warner Bros. in the 70s, and every major video game company has been on NASDAQ or their home countries' equivalent for at least 25 years.
>muh normies
Doom was a normie game, dumbshit

>>5434379
>being this much of a faggot

>>5434384
>this level of denial

>>5434379
So you think that retro and modern games are not different at all in any way?

This thread is diseased, and the vaccination is gonna be Doom Eternal news

>>5434357
STOP MISUSING GREENTEXT

what the fuck is this nonstop bitching about not knowing how to use zscript or even fucking acs
and what the fuck is this post formatting
who are you even quoting

>>5434321
>That should all be hardcoded shit, in the zdoom sourcecode
this is the antithesis of modding
why are you here

>>5434384
He's 100% right.

>>5434391
He said no such thing.

>>5434365
do you really think coders are over 105 or something?, fucking kek

>>5434441

what did he mean by this then >>5434379

>>5434279
>Its almost like someone paid Graf to soft kill the game.
doom was around before graf and it will be around after graf

>>5434414
more like doomguy getting in smash
nevermind, fuck

>>5434451
>id Software's entire marketing strategy for nearly 20 years was "look at these awesome graphics"
This is mostly correct.

>Atari was outright bought by Warner Bros. in the 70s, and every major video game company has been on NASDAQ or their home countries' equivalent for at least 25 years.
This was also correct.

>Doom was a normie game
As was this. People played Doom at their schools and offices, in droves.
Workplace productivity suffered at some places, and university networks slowed down to a crawl due to people playing so much Deathmatch.

You can complain about other things he said, but in that specific post, these points are all true.

>>5434453
was mostly talking about zdoom

>>5434468
I'm not even trying to say there isn't a difference between retro and modern games, there definitely is, sometimes for the better, a shitload of other times for the worse. I'm just saying that a lot of shitty things about the video game industry has some origin in shit people did throughout the 90s-early 2000s, but not to the same scale since most people's internet connections at the time had 1% of the speed/bandwidth of your average shitty cell phone plan.

concert

>>5434489
This custom lightning looks as bad as filters to me.

Didn't Samsara 0.3666 had a patch coming with the base mod in the download, so the mod could work with later versions of GZDoom?
Could that help for other mods?

what vision do you call this

>>5434468
the context of the discussion implied >>5434391
for some reason many people believe that context is a thing that does not exist

>>5434542
augmented

sakuya izayoi

>>5434597
EY

>>5434597
what is this, Gacha Doom?

>>5433349
I'm working on a 64 bit port of Chocolate Duke 3D, but the code makes a lot of assumptions about the sizes of pointers. Besides crashing, other "interesting" things can happen.

I just fixed the bug in this webm, where a certain pointer is advanced by 8 bytes instead of 16, which is needed under the 64-bit build, because longs are 8 bytes instead of 4.

>>5433732
>>5433696
I'm not any of the previously replyers, but i encourage you to try again to overcome whatever barrier you have to programming. It's literally the most fundamental and complete control you can have over a computer, and if you can't program you're severely limited in what you can do with a computer. For a long time if you couldn't program you couldn't make games (or mods) - as simple as that. Now, some programmers have gone out of their way to provide stuff like Decorate so that non-programmers can join in on the creative stuff, but you have to realize you're getting something for free that is costing others time and effort to maintain. Those people have decided maintaining zscript is a more effective use of their time, since it's far, far more flexible for the same amount of maintenance.

You have to appreciate the irony that you're complaining you don't want to (or can't) learn to code, so you have the moral right to demand someone else codes (maintains) a feature for you to avoid coding.

I'm very tactically sound

What's a good otherworldly mapset for Doom:Roguelike Arsena?

I've really, really enjoyed Hellcore 2.0 because it kept me guessing where it was going to go, without ever stretching things too far. I loved that feel of advancing through a place that felt like a place, but wildly different map themes between levels.

>>5434669
Hideous destructor is one of the most fascinating Doom mods out there, god damn. I usually prefer arcade action but seeing all of that shit pulled off in Doom never fails to impress.

>>5434679
I just can't believe I actually didn't like Hideous Destructor at first, it's probably the only mod I play now.

>>5434669
If you speed up the footage a bit, then that's kind of me 50% of the time when I play Doom overall.

>>5434679
I think it's because it goes sort of a 'realistic tactical shooter' direction, but it's also full of otherworldly magic shit, and there's horrible monsters which require particular tactics.

>>5434730
is that RGA?

>>5433414
It's not an acroynm, it's short for par time; it's equivalent to the par on a hole in golf where your goal is to get the hole in fewer strokes than the par for that hole

>>5434730
I refuse to believe that fat finger is fitting in that trigger guard

>>5434753
I was gonna say maybe he's wearing gloves, but comparing to myself holding a handgun in a similar way, I notice his fingers are really oddly thick, even if he was wearing gloves.

>>5434756
It looks like a comp. I don't think the hands are actually on a gun at all.

>>5432195
a Doom 2 Heretic or Strife WAD where you kill Scientologists as well as being able to make some of the goons come to their senses via special items. in Doom 2's case, the Arch-Viles would be tall David Miscgavages and the Icon of Sin would be shaped like 1980s Ron Hubbard's head.

>>5434778
Sounds petty and lazy to me my man. But make whatever you want to make.

>>5434597
>her hobby is tactical training
does she own several katanas and ankle-level trenchcoats?

>>5434785
I was stating ideas that I might do once I learn Decorate and ACS.

>>5434803
And I'm telling you to follow your dreams and make that terrible wad. Go for it.

>Graf doesn't like when something isn't made for the latest GZD versions
>He knows about the code of the source port and its updates, unlike modders who have to struggle with mod breaking updates
Maybe a solution to the situation regarding breaking mods is Graf and co being the ones to fix the mods themselves, since they could understand that better and are responsible for the damage.
They can start with DRLA while Yholl takes a break.
But that would imply they wouldn't fuck it up, either by accident or intentionally.

what were the names for the wads that add more blood? I know there is Ketchup but there was another one that is better than that.

>>5434832
It's not healthy to be so fixated on negativity anon.
Go take a fucking walk.

>>5434835
Bolognese?
Droplets?
NashGore?

>>5434835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW07VJBTjME

>>5434841
i think it was droplets

>>5434843
I thought people hated this Sudaca bastard?

>>5434832
>graf fixing every single possible mod that gets broken
there is no way this would ever happen

>>5434851
he's a dumbass and a shithead, but oh well, i can still play his mod

>>5434851
He's an asshole

>psx doom has one and only spectre caco that is stuck in a cage
>d64 gives cacos arms with chains

>>5434851
He's a dick, and a sloppy coder, but *some* of the stuff he's put together over the years is still not bad.
Personally, I think that when he puts in the effort, his maps are actually quite good, probably his best stuff.

>>5434843
"Nashgore's still better!"

I say it for almost 10 years now, but Marcos is a sick fuck and I bet he has been inappropriately touched as child.

>>5434907
Is the last nashgore update good?

>>5434907
I still roll with oldschool nashgore.

>>5434832
GZDoom already fucks with heaps of old maps to fix "mapping errors" and the like each update instead of leaving them alone

>>5434924
It also has a bunch of compatibility exceptions for a whole bunch of old maps to make sure they run like they should.

>>5434914
I feel like it kinda depends on the mod. Some of the noises and visuals can go great with specific weapon sounds and as feedback for their hits, but other times it can be a bit jarring. Granted the same can be said of most gore mods though. Fortunately it's pretty customizable.

so much for ambient occlusion

>>5434836
Hi Graf.

>>5434953
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT TO CIRCLEJERK ABOUT MUH DWAMA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJ

You clearly weren't raped as a child.

>>5434952
The AO implementation is not very accurate...also, all screen space based techniques are always a bit garbage. No way around that.

>>5434843
If this guy gets hit by a bus and ends up in the hospital because of that, I won't shed a single tear.

>>5434959
>MUH DAMAGE CONTROL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

just finished Dusk (not retro)
It was alright

Qusk when?

>>5435036
>not a Heretic version of QUMP

>>5434959
holy shit what the fuck is wrong with you

>>5434406
DOOR STUCK

>>5435130
YOU'RE A GENUINE DICKSUCKER MORTAL

>>5435038
anon, I...

>>5435036
Qusk as in Dusk weapons in Quake?

>>5432195
gzdoom-legacy on thinkpad x200 sucks and lags as shit.
im running arch. any solution?

>>5434449
I'm somewhere between 120-135, and I code for a living. I didn't have to go to school to learn it either. The most fucked-up thing is that ina few years time even coding will be entirely automated by algorithms and most of the good tech jobs will go away.

>>5432196
[3-14] Google announces id software's presence at GDC, Possibly DOOM related
https://twitter.com/googledevs/status/1105964410168721409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1105964410168721409&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html%231105964410168721409

>>5435571
jesus christ. about fucking time.

>>5435574
ye I hope its Eternal news. dying of thirst out here i am

Suggest to me some good podcasts to listen to while I'm mapping.

>>5435685
why aren't you listening to your favorite music albums???

Anyone knows a player for Android that can play MIDI with soundfont and manage playlists? One that I found only opens single song at a time.

>>5435687
Because then I'll start dancing. It's gotta be people talking.

>>5435695
use that dancing energy as mapping energy, multitask AND map and dance at the same time!! the world is young and you'll die in a couple of decades, go wild!!!

>>5435570
>in a few years ... coding will be entirely automated by algorithm
You're dreaming buddy. Demand for software has been outpacing software eng. innovations for decades and will continue to do so for a long time. All that will happen is the tech stack will go higher up/more abstract for 80% of devs and they'll be more productive.

>>5434449
>>5435570
>>5435704
Spaghetti coders would all comfortably sit around 90ish or low 100s

People who want to make quality products would be higher than that.....or at the very least supervised by people higher than that.

Vanilla Doom's biggest flaw is not having always run on default anf making the run key the slow walking button

>>5435571
>>5435574
>>5435580
They've been to GDC before, nothing of value comes out of that shit, it's just for industry tossing off and shit indie developers to circlejerk over how they hate having customers.

>>5432678
But he does look very polite, doesn't he?

what did cyriak mean by this

>>5434542
pain

>>5434542
Zdaemon

>>5434730
h-hewwo?

>>5435791
Literary Hitler

>DRLA's supposedly persistent assembly list keeps losing entries between character sessions on the same game / mapset
>Suddenly don't feel like playing it as much.
RIP I guess.

>>5435807
Can't argue with that

>>5434832
>they can start with DRLA
It's been fixed in devbuilds for a while now.

>>5435562
send glxinfo

>>5435820
Here's an old cheatsheet I had.

>>5435570
IMO automation will only ever be close to foolproof for factory assembly lines. You need an element of human judgment for most jobs.
Algorithms have no judgment and it really shows what a huge drawback this is for lots of tasks.

>>5435693
While I'm not sure if an application like that exists, an alternative to it is to use VirtualMIDISynth to export MIDI files as an mp3 (or other other music format). You might have to use Audacity for looping, though.

>>5435882
That's the thing though, I don't want to convert MIDIs to MP3s since I'm pressed for space on my device.

>>5435883
>I'm pressed for space on my device.
are you poor?

>>5435891
Poor in a 3d world country, so thats like poor^2

>>5435872
Thanks, I remembered some of them but it just sucked having them go poof like that.

I guess it just overwrites the entire list instead of adding to it.

>>5435259
Yes, what?

>>5435791
is cyriak hitler?

>>5435909
>>5435791
Dude's just fucking weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrw1VMRNFUg

>>5435791
The fancy floor for corporate middle management had to feature either a Hitler shrine or a Steve Jobs shrine, but Doom textures only support the former.

>>5435968
Not like there's much of a difference.

>>5432195
I thought this was interesting and relevant to the doom thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq3x1Jy8pYM

>>5435909
He's a living example of what drug abuse at young age does to you

>>5435820
>>5435896
i think you have a few lines of 0s to replace by 1's in your config to unlock all assemblies

>>5435820
give RLAllAssembliesLearnt

>>5432195

What's your opinion on Duke Nukem's 5th episode? Seen a video of the first level (Amsterdam), and found the design to be kitschy and too different to the classic episodes. Is World Tour worth buying?

>>5435770
Fuck off, idiot.

>>5435685
Evolution Of The Wad is sorta like a podcast. Almost.

>>5434597
Oh hey, it's that mod that the creator had a meltdown and left the ZDoom forums about.

>>5436176

>>5436221
Fucking weird how he called those companions the girlfriends.

>>5436221
For reference, the feedback that he received was just balance stuff and people saying the inclusion of summonable "waifus" is a bit off-putting, especially since they use H-Doom voice clips.

>>5436195
>Evolution of the WAD
Sounds interdasting...

>Episode 1 - 3 HOURS 50 MINUTES
nigga wat? tl;dw

>>5434661
If they did it once then why not keep doing it?
If I was a programmer, I wouldn't have a problem doing that, it would be part of my joy to do it.
- I get it that Graf has gotten tired of it, so what he can fuck off, he can spend his time working for real at a real job and make more money for himself. We dont need to hear from him again.
- Someone else would be delighted to take it up im quite sure of that

> if you cant program you're severely limited in what you can do with a computer
Then why dont common computers come with compilers and IDEs. You have to obtain that shit from somewhere else after you've gotten your computer set up.
For YEARS I have been angry about there not being middlemen software, so that someone who's a foreman, or a businessman, who doesnt have time for this shit can make a Program to do things they need it to do. Even if its inefficient.
> sorta like the Macros systems in office software, except for executables.
Programmers should be Software Engineers. Capable of Assembly Language.

The easy way to branch off would have been to extend ACS, and if people wanted to go for that it they could. Yes im very well aware of what ACS is and some of the things people do with it. And that would have been the ticket for people who wanted to do more complex things.
> why hold people's hand with programming by having it all compiled in realtime, why not make people compile it too?
Meanwhile leaving the emphasis on Decorate... and even changing the name of Decorate to something like "ACTORS" lump or more appropriate. Because its no longer just about being able to add more scenery decorations like it was in the first versions.
Keep adding the new actions and tricks in a decorate environment FIRST, while simply making them accessible from the scripting/ACS side of things.
> so that non-programmers can join in on the creative stuff
Hard Wall.
Same rules that applied in 1999 apply in 2019.
You're either catering to those people or YOU ARE NOT.

>>5434679
I love Hideous Destructor even if I suck at it. It throws a lot of bullshit at you, but gives you many options to break the rules and fight through impossible odds. You don't need a key if you have the right kind of explosive.

>>5434835
smooth doom and it adds a bunch of other nice things too

>>5436234
"STUCK UP JERK!"

>>5436242
They're fucking long, but if you put them on in the background while you're doing something, it's really interesting to listen to and it passes the time. I can be like, spriting or writing code for a couple of hours easily sometimes, so I don't mind the length that often.
You could watch like, 30 minutes or an hour at a time, and then resume later.

They really give some perspective on map design, I think.

>>5436247
It's like you can't even read you dumbass faggot. Everything in ZS is available in DECORATE except ZS itself. You can even write your own ZS functions, then use them in DECORATE in the same mod. Fucking fuck off.

>>5436195
>>5436242
>>5435685
Cryo Chamber - Nyarlathotep (especially #3)
also happens to be great for playing quake to

>>5436221
>>5436234
>The author of a mod based off of Call of Doom and Brutal Doom code is a crybaby

Well I never

>>5436247
>Programmers should be Software Engineers. Capable of Assembly Language.
Was one of the first things we were taught, apparently now it's all Rust or some shite instead.

>>5436267
That is the Call of Doom developer.

>>5436271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_4TNF8K7DY

>>5432195
Crispy DOOM but for Switch, 3DS, DIngoo and PS Vita.

>>5436176
very meta

>>5435872
I think some of these are outdated now as of the new version. Plasmatic Infusion is PABT now IIRC.

>>5435879
This. Automation generally only works with somebody supervising the system to keep it on the right path. With that said I guess that's not really automatic at all but oh well.

>>5436303
Would be comfy, particularly with Final Doom

>>5435895
>he lives in the third dimensional world
>>5436076
It's like Pannenkoek but for Doom. Never knew I wanted this.

>>5436225
BUT 100 WHAT

>>5436247
>Then why dont common computers come with compilers and IDEs.
They do, if you use a real OS.

I take it you are a windows user? If you only use programs from the base install, you wouldn't even be playing doom

>>5436318
>not journeying into the Unknown regions of the galaxy.

>>5436323
minutes

>>5436325
over 90% of computer users operate windows so it is the rule not the exception
ive always used windows, at least as far back as 3.1, before that it was ms-dos and even ms-dos didnt come with a compiler or IDE (basic, and batch files, do not count).
I tried ubuntu when I decided to wipe Win10 off my new laptop. Somehow trying to install things on it, besides also partitioning the drive as I wanted it to be, I seriously fucked up the ubuntu install. Which isnt supposed to be possible, those fuckers are full of shit.
I wiped that off and got a Win 8.1 install.
> the only reason I wiped Win10 off is because I NEEDed to partition the drive to leave only 32-40 gig for the OS drive. But because of the MFT being located right in the middle of the drive and none of the defraggers I could find would push it to the start of the drive, I couldnt partition anything less than something like 150gb
Needless to say, when I decide im going to do something, there are no other options, and destruction will happen if im given shit about it.
> I wiped Windows 10 Professional for this, though at least I saved the serial somewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYMYQVcSIIA

>>5436376
Isn't this just Last Man Standing?

>>5436264
>>5435685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXQXHHYZMUo
excellent to play quake with also (first part reminiscent of the music track from e1m9). More mystical abyssal fantasy than action fantasy tho.

>>5436361
Oh, I agree then.

You seem to struggle with the most basic of computing tasks, zscript isn't for you.

And frankly I'm amazed you can even make basic sprite-swap PWADs.

>>5436382
> can partition my own drive
> can change my MAC address
> can add custom "Send To" items in right click menu
Im a medium-advanced computer user frien.
The vast majority of users cant do those things.
> sprite swap PWADs
been doing that since the late 90s with WinTex 3 until Slade came around
> zscript isnt for you
remove the object oriented programming aspect of it
remove it

>>5436403
>remove the object oriented programming aspect of it
decorate is object oriented too, you idiot

>>5436407
id be okay letting that aspect of it go, copypasta is easy enough
DDF, the format it was originally based on from another sourceport, did not have that and I worked with .DDF files just fine

>>5436410
no, fuck you, your opinion is 100% objectively wrong and you can fuck right off for even suggesting that we go back to fucking manually copypasting changes between actors and having no common interface between things that are related

I am so glad everyone is calling you out for being a retard, because you are, you don't deserve to be listened to, and I will remind you of that every time you bring up your idiotic opinions

I've discovered the BROWN DIMENSION.

>>5436428
GODS HELP ME EVERYTHING IS BONES

im just finishing my first playthrough of original dos doom and holy fucking christ is this a fun game. I thought that y'all were being pretentious boomers, and that the game would be stilted and just incredibly difficult like many other games that people rave about on vr, but with a good emulator it's responsive, has fantastic level design, is somewhat hard without being grindy (yeah im playin hurt me plenty and i save constantly CASUAL FAGGOT I KNOW) and keeps things inexplicably interesting, especially considering its literally just wolfenstine castle builder with space textures.

>>5436437
>Dosbox
Why wouldn't you just use Crispy Doom instead?

>>5436442
its just what i use to emulate dos in general. works p well and idk what crispy doom is

>>5435904
That already exists, and in fact came out before QUMP.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/heretic/Ports/hump
There's also a sequel, HUMP Mini.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/heretic/g-i/humpmini

>>5436435
>>5436428
Theyre Coming For You Laura...

>>5436424
ive been saying this for years, just not in so many words
zdoom IS NOT the place for programming shit.
and quake made that fucking mistake from the get-go, thats why there arent nearly as many mods for it


As far as mods I havent actually done much with doom in over a year because of the lack of upgradeable AI, ive been saving some map packs people have put out which seem nice but I havent actually played them. Nevermind the "versions" trash Graf keeps putting out which are getting slower, and slower every iteration seemingly on purpose.

>>5436437
Yep OG doom 1 was amazing, especially if you played it with keyboard only for added difficulty. But either way the episodes had their own challenges (e3m5 can just go fuck itself).
Episode 1 had the best layout id say though, it wasnt all that spooky, it was just a industrial scale military facility, and it was pretty neat.

The lack of an SSG in doom1 is regrettable. It wouldn't have been overpowered if it only fired two blasts of 7 pellets, same damage economy as the regular shotgun but spread out even more.
The Cacos and Barons are HP sponges because of that. I guess rockets fix it, but rockets always fix it.
> army of darkness had been out for several years by then
Inspiration from the chaingun I can easily see coming from the jean claude movie Cyborg too. Even though his gun was just a pressurized arrow-shooter it had multiple barrels on it.

>>5436443
>idk what crispy doom is
vanilla focused source port that offers some quality of life features

>>5436443
Whoops, pardon me, I meant Chocolate Doom. I'm confusing those two sourceports sometimes. Basically - Chocolate Doom is the best way to play vanilla Doom on modern systems. Unlike sourceports like GZDoom, It works and feels exactly like the original game. It even shares some of the original bugs and glitches as well.

>>5436448
>>5436437
pic related
wasnt a machinegun at all but it looked really cool
movie was kinda popular back then because of the grit post-apoc feels, also because it came out on cinemax quickly afterwards and thats what you watched (along with HBO) to see R movies without the censorship

>falling into the Mouth of Madness wiped my build

>>5436457
Crispy is Chocolate with some extras, Marshmallow is Crispy with more extras.

>>5436464
inspiration for the doom chaingun
(apex kino)

>>5436448
no, you hypocritical dipshit, you cannot blast graf for breaking backwards compatibility and not providing you with what you want, then immediately turn around and whine about removing shit from the engine - shit that would immediately destroy every fucking mod that uses DECORATE beyond adding basic decorations - because it makes you think about programming and you don't like that

you absolute fucking cunt, I actually hate you

>>5436464
You mean this thing? Eh, I'm sure this shit cool when I was 10. Good movies to get drunk by btw

>>5436448
>The lack of an SSG in doom1 is regrettable. It wouldn't have been overpowered if it only fired two blasts of 7 pellets, same damage economy as the regular shotgun but spread out even more.
No, dipshit, it isn't necessary, because the SSG was added to Doom 2 because all the new monsters raised the stakes.

>>5436485
Has anyone successfully made a mod that adds Doom 2 monsters to Doom 1 in an intelligent way? I remember there was a random replacer that *almost* worked, but it glitched the weapons a tiny bit, and ended replacing cacos with pain elementals in a 50/50 split, which damn near breaks some monster encounters.

>>5436495
This is it btw:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/koaqerjbm9ds9dy/Doom2Randomizer.wad/file

>>5436495
You'd have to do it on an encounter by encounter basis by editing the maps.

Random replacers on the other hand are easy, you just need their assets and a bit of decorate.

>>5436495
I don't know ZScript, but I figure it shouldn't be that hard to work together an algorithm that occasionally replaces some regular monsters with selected tiers of Doom 2 monsters (and not by a complete random).

Thing is though, Doom 1's maps are generally less populated, and the monsters don't translate 1 to 1 for Doom 2's, like how a Revenant would not fit well just randomly replacing an Imp, and an Arachnotron is so large it would easily get stuck in many places.
It'd probably be easier to just recreate the maps with Doom 2, and I guess then maybe use Boom or something to divide it all up in episodes.

>>5436076
Yep the RNG is kinda funky for doom but it was needed in those days. Im glad that it was preserved in zdoom, though I wish there was a way to turn it off (common RNGs instead of the RNG table) like ive seen in some ports
>>5436482
I guess I kinda forget that the chaingun actually has 6 barrels. Because except for the second firing frame it looks like 4 across the board (ground item, first firing frame, and the chaingunner has a 4 barreled gun too)
>>5436485
I never really saw it that way, the SSG in doom 2 isnt all that necessary. Give the player some more bullets and the chaingun does the job in most cases.
Way I see it was they needed more than just additional monsters and the number of levels in a single playthrough. So they gave the player an extra weapon, which was kinda OP and injected with testosterone.
If game balance was a thing they could've taken the regular shotgun and made it kick out 10 pellets and give it some vertical inaccuracy instead of a laser flat line of distribution.
> 100 damage shotgun, still takes 2 blasts to kill pinkies, but removes bigger nasties at a faster rate than in the first game, and might stun them a little more often.
I woulda been okay with it, though the SSG is like drugs, once you use it you cant go back.

>>5436473
but you forget
> Needless to say, when I decide im going to do something, there are no other options, and destruction will happen if im given shit about it.
I dont think you know what "kind" of person you're actually yabbering at. Personal attacks are useless.

>>5436531
I think its kinda like the bullshit that went on with Brutal Doom where scenery was put in depending on which level you was on and what kind of textures were considered.
There must be a way to select "areas" of the level and apply some random variation rules on monster replacements, or populating them depending on difficulty. With some internal counters for maximum possible numbers of monsters to replace.

>>5436531
boom wouldn't really do anything in this case that doom format doesn't - you'd just have each episode end on a death exit, which is possible with plain old doom format
you'd need MAPINFO to redefine the episodes, which limits that to basically eternity engine and zdoom. similarly, you need MAPINFO to set secret exit destinations, which means that E1M9/E2M9/E3M9/E4M9 would need to be parts of the maps they're preceded by (but hey, at least that means they'd fit into the 32 doom 2 map slots exactly).

>>5436537
I don't give a shit about you personally; I'm calling your shit out every chance you decide to bring up your awful, destructive opinions, because I don't want to take the chance that anyone actually listens to you and somehow act on it
you are a goddamn blight upon doom, and everything you suggest would set the entire modding scene back by over a decade

>>5436538
Well I guess GZDoom then, because I'd want the episodic division and the intermission maps.

>>5436556
eh, just tell people using boom to idclev09 to start at episode 2, idclev32 for episode 3 (episode 2 would have E2M8 at map31), and idclev23 for episode 4

>>5436543
jesus christ some of you people here take doom way too seriously
hes just some anon with some dumb opinions, hes not a fucking "blight on doom" that must be stopped

>>5436537
>I never really saw it that way, the SSG in doom 2 isnt all that necessary. Give the player some more bullets and the chaingun does the job in most cases.
Fucking what? You think it would be good in Doom 1, where there are less monsters, but it isn't necessary in Doom 2, where monsters are more numerous and stronger?

No, the chaingun is not a suitable substitute for the SSG, when the SSG is a different tier of weapon.

>>5436569
>>5436543
archviles are the worst monsters in the game, they're straight out of the pits of hell

>>5436578
counterpoint: cyberdemons spamming rockets at you from the other side of the map are worse, because they'll happily take you from 200 to 0 when you're least expecting it

>>5436537
>I think its kinda like the bullshit that went on with Brutal Doom where scenery was put in depending on which level you was on and what kind of textures were considered.
Mark did that shit in the hackiest fucking way possible.

>>5436578
Arch-Viles are an *EXCELLENT* monster that's really dangerous and brings something entirely new to the game's table, forcing you into all new tactics.
He's also scary as fuck, so you make sure to fear him.