/vr/ - Retro Games

Achievement systems are fun. Fyte me.

>>5436701
Achievements serve no other purpose than artificially inflating game time, mostly by grinding for stupid shit.

Out of the average users spend with a modern AAA title, subtract 30-40% for useless wasted shit.

>>5436725
why the FUCK did you reply to me!?
*achievement unlocked: say a rude word*

>>5436725
Pretty much this. I used to be obsessed when this came out, but after a while it hindered the fun I was having because I was mostly concentrating on earning achievements rather than, well, enjoying myself with the game I chose.

>>5436701
I enjoy them if they encourage me to try something new or unusual. Otherwise, I don't really care.

>>5436703
The first thing I do is turn off achievement notifications on all platforms

>>5436836
I think trying them out for a game you've played the shit out of could be fun. But on a first playthrough? Yeah that's blasphemous. Besides, the best achievements and challenges are self imposed ones.

>>5436703
This. They can be lazy and then there's no point, but it's awesome to set little goals. I'd love to see an achievement for making this jump instead of using the hidden passage.

>>5436872
I hate pointless achievements. I've played some games where every achievement was for something that was mandatory to beat the game. So literally anyone who played through the game also got 100% achievements. If beating a level or game isn't rewarding enough in itself, there is a problem.

>>5436957
The point of those is mostly so the developer can see how many people got how far into the game.

>>5436957
Yeah they can be done badly for sure, but when done well it's great.

Should I bother with these?

>>5437284
if you want

>>5437284
Having a lot of fun with this. Recently beat:
DBZ - Buu's Fury
Sonic Advance
Crash Bandicoot XS
Sonic 3
Super Mario 64

Currently doing Chrono Trigger though so that'll take a while

>>5436701
Yet another form of unhealthy extrinsic motivation.

>>5437350
I'd agree with it being extrinsic motivation, but what's bad or unhealthy about it? New challenges bring new life to a game you may have played a ton.

>>5437350
Is achievement-hunting in video games an unhealthy form of extrinsic motivation, or are you actually saying that extrinsic motivation in and of itself is unhealthy?

If it's the former, why do you care what other people do in their spare time, since most do it for fun? And if it's the latter, you gotta stop watching JBP my man.

>>5438037
what the fuck is JBP

>>5438041
It's not John Perry Barlow, because that's JPB...did you know that Steve Jackson Games put actual Top Secret government material into one of their games and got raided by the Secret Service? That caused the founding of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

>>5437359
Fucking this. Especially games with pointless scoring systems. It's neat to be able to keep track of your highest score in games like Revenge of the Gator or whatnot.

>>5438064
lol what is Revenge of the Gator? was that the first game Spoony did a video on?

>>5438068
Who?

>>5438075
Oh, I was thinking of Adventures of Bayou Billy.

>>5436701

achievements are nothing but the injection of achievement without achieving anything

if you want achievement get a hi score or get a best time or no death etc.

>>5438116
>get a hi score or get a best time or no death etc.
still achieving nothing by your logic

>>5436703
But I agree. They add new flavor to existing games. I loved the recent Megaman X collection. It gives you a reason to go back and play older games in new ways. If Nintendo added something like that to NES and SNES games I'd be all over that shit.

>>5436701
Depends how intrusive they are.
I quite like daily challenges for multiplayer games, but they . can go fuck themselves if they want me to 100% something.

They're great in the background, and can boost a game if you're already having a lot of fun.
I'm not into mindless achievements that don't add anything. Took me years to deprogram my brain from that obsessive completionist mindset.

>>5436957
It was quite funny to see shitty ps plus included games have a massive drop off of "begin game achievement" even before starting the first level on something.
Shows how shitty it is.

>how do we trick players into playing the game in the most retarded and unfun ways imaginable in order to make it seem difficult?
>INTRODUCING THE NEW ACHIEVEMENT SYSTEM

>>5438149
You've never made fun challenges outside of the context of what the game presents? Be honest. I've been doing that type of thing since the SNES days.

>>5438149
This >>5438152 is pretty much my reaction to your statement as well. They're all optional anyways.

A good way doing achievements in my opinion:
>play through the game
>achievements are now unlocked
>have skill based achievements for levels which alter the way you would normally play them, eg managing to not use Main weapon during Level, or changing enemies etc...
>actually earn something when getting an achievements like New costume. Battle Mode, hidden Story, time attack, Boss fight Mode, etc...

Achievements should be more than just a Emblem of doing it. It should be for people who want to enjoy the game more and give them New obstacles, as well as make them master the game for the other modes

>>5436868
This. Zoomers who need constant validation and popups are cancer.

>>5438209
You're a genius, what if real life had pop ups telling you you're an achiever!

>>5438217
>actually wanting that
yikes

>>5438229
>You've unlocked intolerant!
>You possess thin skin and can be knocked over by a slight breeze

>>5438203
I agree except for the last part. I think doing the challenge for the sake of the fun of it and maybe get a sticker to show you did should be plenty.

>>5438245
I find unlocking something extra just much more fullfilling, there was a game that did this but I just cant remember what it was

>>5438273
I do get that, but feel it makes the achievement more about getting the unlock than the joy of doing it for the sake of the challenge. Unlocking stuff is pretty great though I agree.

I love achievements, especially when they are designed by 14-year-old ESLs!

>>5438203
>actually earn something when getting an achievements like New costume. Battle Mode, hidden Story, time attack, Boss fight Mode, etc...
This always seemed so logical to me. MS has players earn "gamerscore" by unlocking cheevos, but the gamerscore is completely useless. It should be a currency for digital items or something.

>>5436701
Imagine what you could achieve in the time you try to get all these useless achievements.

>>5436703
Nah I agree. I dislike lazy ones like just "reach stage X" or so, but when they are actually difficult or fun goals I don't see a problem with them at all.

>>5437146
This is literally it.

They're a cancer in co-op games. Don't Starve Together has a major issue on console because of cunts logging into servers just for achievements and not actually contributing. The PC version does not have them at all outside of events which boosts your XP gains. I'm certain all of us have a story of someone ruining the game for everyone else because "muh achievements".

>>5438564
They're cancer in multiplayer games in general. Nobody wants some fuck who's only playing to get the "killed three enemies with one grenade" achievement on their team in a deathmatch game because he's not going to be playing to help the team, he'll just be dicking around trying to get his dumb achievement.

>>5438615
That's also a co-op game though. They're fine in fighters for example where your opponent isn't going to care if he gets an easy win because you were trying to win using no specials or no kicks or whatever.

>>5438420
Imagine what you could achieve in the time you try to play all these useless games.

>>5436703
>>5436872
>>5438121
>>5438131
>>5438152
>posting on retro games board while defending one of the most cancerous concepts of the 7th gen

Who let /v/ in?

>>5438959
People like to collect things, I also don't understand why it's considered bad
It's unnecessary at worst

>>5438120
wat? you're achieving something that is difficult and requires work, achieving is not receiving you fucking brainwashed cunt dumb consumer retard dork shit.

>>5438316
Isn't that verbatim the point behind playing video games/trying to beat video games?

>>5438670
Outch, that smarts

>>5438969
>People are too retarded and lazy to create self imposed challenges for themselves and feel real achievement from conquering them
>instead need publishers to give them a bing bing wahoo notification for doing basic shit like they're kindergartners getting a gold star for coloring in the lines
>I don't understand why that's bad
Maybe if you weren't underage you'd understand why it's cancer.

Trophies and achievement really fucked up my gaming experience. I feel like I'm wasting my time when I play games without them and they're always in the back of my mind when I'm playing games that have them. Please help, /vr/os.

>>5438990
somethingsomethingsomething stuck in past old man

>>5436725

Not all of them are like that. A good achievement is a test of skill, like a high score.

>>5438974
>Isn't that verbatim the point behind playing video games/trying to beat video games?

Exactly which is why I think wanting to get something else for an achievement is silly. It's like saying you should get a new costume for beating the game, as if beating the game wasn't already the reward.

>>5438990
>>5438959
Not that guy but I'm in my 40's, like achievements and the idea of adding them to old games.>>5436872 You don't have to agree, but calling cancer and everyone who disagrees is underage is silly.

>>5439090
But why not unlock star road, cerulean cave, the same levels flipped but harder, luigi, a bonus series of missions, ect ?

Achievements are useless unless you unlock something from them.

>>5438990
But this Retroachievements thing is literally people creating self imposed challenges, they're just asking other people to try them as well.

>>5439235
Don't get me wrong, unlocking more content like new levels, missions, flipped tracks etc as well as costumes etc is all awesome. I just don't think it needs to be tied to achievements and they're better as a separate thing.

>>5439683
I just wish modern games would keep track of your stats, and maybe inform you if you're on track toward or have gone a while whilst achieving something spectacular.

A game can track what little damage you've received and lives lost and there can be a pop up telling you that you're on the way toward completing the game without a single life lost.

>>5439708
I would have thought making it through without dying is a good indicator you're making it through without a single life lost.

>>5438068
>>5438075
>>5438080
How do you fellow youtube sheep?

>>5436703
I guess they can be fun sometimes but it's not like I play a game just to get some achievements. Even in modern games on Steam I just ignore them and eventually look at it later on for a second or two, think "uhuh, OK" and then I move on.

I'm not a fan of the whole retro achievements thing cause if I want to challenge myself with replaying a game I'd rather play it in a specific way like getting a 1CC/do a no-death or no-continue run or like speedrunning it on any% or 100% or some other idea related to it or just do another casual run if it's a long game that I haven't played in a long time. I don't need an achievement system for that.

I beat Mom on Binding of Isaac the first time and I got four achievements, -you can't explain that.

>>5440238
>How do you fellow youtube sheep?

What does this sentence even mean!

>>5440238
>Even in modern games on Steam I just ignore them and eventually look at it later on for a second or two, think "uhuh, OK" and then I move on.
I always check the achievements after beating a game to see if there's any fun challenges I might want to attempt. Sometimes I like to do silly shit in games but it's not clear if what I'm trying to do will actually be possible, so it's kind of cool to have an achievement that indicates to me that some silly thing I was trying to do can actually be done. For example, in HL2:E2 there's this garden gnome you can get at some point in the game and you can get an achievement if you carry it with you to the end of the game. Normally I might try to carry the gnome with me for a bit but then stop after a while when it gets too bothersome, but knowing there's an achievement for it gives me some added motivation to see if I can actually do it. That's when achievements are at their best, when they act as motivation for challenging yourself rather than just as a counter for some arbitrary grind or badges you get on every level completion.

>>5441242
That's what I do with achievements as well. If It's a game I liked enough to play through to the end It's usually one I want to keep playing and though it's fun coming up with your own challenges, it's cool when the achievements have some fun ones as well.

>How do you fellow youtube sheep?

>>5437284
>>5436701
These seem like theyd be fun if it wasnt the first time you played a game

>>5438048
>In the course of that visit, it became clear that the investigating agents considered GURPS Cyberpunk to be "a handbook for computer crime." They seemed to make no distinction between a discussion of futuristic credit fraud, using equipment that doesn't exist, and modern real-life credit card abuse. A repeated comment by the agents was "This is real."
>Loyd Blankenship was suspect because he ran a technologically literate and politically irreverent BBS, because he wrote about hacking, and because he received and re-posted a copy of the /Phrack newsletter. The company was raided simply because Loyd worked there and used its (entirely different) BBS!
>The raid, and especially the confiscation of the game manuscript, caused a catastrophic interruption of the company's business. SJ Games very nearly closed its doors. It survived only by laying off half its employees, and it was years before it could be said to have "recovered."

Man achievements sure are d-

>>5442895
To me they're fun after I've played and am then looking for more stuff to do.

>>5438195
>pretty much my reaction
Then you're an idiot. Congratulations.

>>5438959
A system of optional meta-challenges outside of the game is bad thing?

>>5443519
If you're senile

>>5442935
Checkmate boomers

>>5443414
Go ahead and explain how.

>>5443690
What's bad about it then? Let alone "cancer"

Cancer is actually a terrible disease that kills multitudes each year.

Achievements are bad though, because, reasons.

RA is pretty fun, and I've liked using it. problems:
- all achievements are user-done, so each game has entirely different standards for what should and shouldnt be an achievement
- too many achievements for doing plot-critical stuff that doesnt necessarily require effort
- (from my understanding) achievements were made for early xbox 360 games, which are a lot bigger and have multiplayer in contrast to these earlier games
- too many copy/paste challenges i.e., Beat world 1 pacifist, world 2,3,4,etc.
- you can't use it on real hardware. Obviously, but still.
- because it's a memory hijack and nothing more, 6th gen is somewhat out of the picture. Sucks because those games are more achievement-accomodating
- Cringy names/descriptions (but its a little charming)
- What OP said. its really ridiculous having achievements like Collect A Mushroom. Wow, Thanks

>>5445850
If you think a set is shitty, you can offer to redo it. If you think it's shitty and should be replaced, chances are others do as well. Most of the bad sets are old and were done back when the site had less standards.

>>5436725
Most people don't even go for achievements so I see it more as an extra game.

>>5446104
Idk how to do the memory monitoring, but i've considered making leaderboards for some atari games.

>>5445850
Achievements to stand in place for the length of old games

>>5436703
Achievements are fun until you think they're as praiseworthy than the guy who speedruns the game on a guitar or a guy who plays an action game on very hard without taking damage.

>YOU GOT A SECRET BONUS POINT!

>>5446435
Why would that make them less fun?

>>5446104
This guy gets it.