/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[3-9] Zanieon releases MMDCXIV, feature one large map with three more to come
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=53887

[3-9] DoomRL Arsenal finally gets a new update, adding in the new PDA, HUD, and some new monsters
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37044

[3-7] 3D Realms announces Wrath, a new game made on Darkplaces
https://twitter.com/3DRealms/status/1103627856201113601

[3-7] SM193 for Quake released, themed on white castles
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61697

[3-7] AMC TC Episode 3 released
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc/downloads/the-amc-tc-episodes-1-2-and-3

[3-7] Author of gameplay mod Hell Caliber looking for playtesting and feedback
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62535

[3-5] TNT 2: Devilution is almost done
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882-tnt-2-devilution-clean-thread-new-updates/

[2-26] Dimension of the Boomed sequel 'Realm of Z-Magic' teaser demo released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104723-the-realm-of-z-magic-teaser-demo/

[2-24] Chex Quest HD trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDblwrDDGc8

[2-22] Powerslave EX mouse fix for Windows 10
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/1218-powerslave-ex-fix/

[2-16] Bungie's Pathways Into Darkness rebuilt in Aleph One
http://simplici7y.com/items/aleph-one-pathways-into-darkness

[2-21] SM192 released for Quake released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61692

[2-19] Colorful Hell updated to 0.96, introducing a new tier and more
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&start=705#p1092145

[2-18] SIGIL delayed until April
https://rome-ro.squarespace.com/news/2019/2/16/sigil-update

[2-13] NBlood released, an open-source port of Blood modeled off EDuke32
https://twitter.com/nukeykt/status/1095422953334857728

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I liek doom

>>5426284
why don't you marry it then.

>>5426284
me too

>>5426287
i would if i could

Whats the hottest new wads of 2019?

>>5426307
This one.
*plop*

So far the maps look alright, visually well made but secrets are hard to find until you find the map on each level. I don't know how I feel about them making it like that.

Also idk if it's bugged or what, but I know I had to use idclip to finish e1m2 even with all keys and the one secret because the floors were raised in the hallway by the exit. Idk if that was a bug or a bad trigger or what.

What are some good modern wads that are hard, but not slaughter?

Any recommendations for Doom based YouTube channels?

I'm just getting back into classic doom & modding, would be good to see some reviews of WADs, modding tutorials etc.

Is it considered cheating to skip a map in a WAD during a continuous playthrough? I'm playing 10 Sectors and there's been at least two completely shitty maps that I ended up skipping to the next, losing my inventory in the process but I accepted that as a trade-off just to move on to the next map already.

In particular, it was Map21: Crunch!, which is this map:

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/MAP21:_Crunch!_(10_Sectors)

It's not only a stupid-ass clusterfuck, but most of your time playing this map is waiting on a bunch of high-rising, slow-moving lifts that are littered around the entire map, and the gimmick is to find several switches scattered throughout the map to raise a damaging floor to a high-enough level to reach the exit. I ended up missing one switch in the end and I spent about half an hour trying to find it, so I said Fuck It and just went to the next map, losing my inventory and all weapons I had but fuck that shit. Not gonna spend another minute in that map again.

>>5426332
Do you really care that much about not being a cheater.

>>5426332
It's a single player game. Who's going to judge you? A soulsphere?

>>5426307
Nothing else than Eviternity atm. Sigil next month, and Back To Saturn X Episode 3 later this year.

>>5426332
I do sometimes skip maps on multiple author wads, if the said maps doesn't reach the quality of the other maps, and do have quite bad gameplay. I have like 20 wads on queue for me to play, so I don't put my time on simply bad maps.

>>5426332
>10 sectors
>they are actually like 1 millions sectors linked
evritiem

>>5426332
If its one of those "community chest" or "1024" style megawads where theres no story or thematic progression between the levels, I generally don't even play them continuous at all, and just play whatever map sticks out to me.

>>5426318
Skillsaw wads: Lunatic, Vanguard, Valiant, Sawdust, Ancient Aliens. There is one slaughter map on Vanguard, and occasional larger fights on all of them, but I wouldn't call them slaughter wads.

I've also heard Sunlust is hard wad without being slaughter, but I can't confirm since I haven't played it yet. I'm gonna though when I finish about 6 other wads first.

>>5426376
I think the real challenge behind 10 sectors was more about having a limited number of sector actions to use in a single map.

>>5426380
Sunlust does have a few maps that definitely qualify. But for the most part, its mostly just really mean with its monster usage.

>>5426380
Sunlust is definetely slaughter in the last 10 maps, map30 had so many it made my old shitty laptop start to cough when they appeared.

"slaughtershit" doesn't actually exist and is just a term people use to dismiss wads they don't like and can't think of a real reason for
the argument that "mappers gave up on encounter design and just threw down enemies" has no factual basis or any evidence

change my mind
protip: you can't

>>5426407
there are maps that are lazy with the monster placement but the specific ones I've seen mentioned here don't fit the bill at all and are in fact way easier than actual slaughterwads like Chillax and Dark Tartarus. it really reeks of "waaah this map is too hard for me ergo slaughtershit".

Repost.

Heretic, E2M4: Ice Grotto, wandstart.
Level gives you hellstaff at the very end of the level when it's already useless, as there are no more dangerous enemies left. Hellstaff in situated in the center of the floor design that looks like an eye, which suggests symbolic significance tied to hellstaff, and by extension, hellstaff runes.
Replaying the level reveals, that hellstaff runes are scattered throughout the level a very situational manner. There are four in the chapel, one per each stained glass, containing the green key - two easily accessible, another two seemingly requiring wing artifact (they could be glitched to through the other side of the stained glass, if you run-strafe into it, but I don't think that's intentional). Two "inaccessible" stained glasses with runes contain inferno orbs on the other sides of them, which come quite in handy as means of disposing of acolytes.
Further on, one rune is located near an easy to miss room containing a backpack (although that one is a duplicate), one lies near in the building with the blue key near where the missable dragon claw is, one is near the optional and last-to-open building containing wings which are the only way to get back from the second half of the level (outpost) to the first half (ice grotto with a chapel), as there are no teleporters back. There are several runes scattered near the useless hellstaff, two in the "white" ("red" in this case) of the eye itself even. Finally, there are two hellstaff runes in the last chamber containing the main exit from the level.
What you are supposed to do is to use wings in order to get to the first half of the level, get to the chapel, possibly collect two last runes, and then notice a door that was closed for the entire time, is finally open. That door contains the exit from the level, leading to the secret level.
The hellstaff runes, in the context of this specific level, quite obviously mean something alongside "you might wanna look around about here".

>>5426431
>repost
why?

>>5426380
I'd argue that Skillsaw mapsets only have the occasional hard map, rather being hard overall. And his hardest maps are more forgiving than say, the hardest maps from Joshy's Resurgence, or even Alien Vendetta.

>>5426437
It was near the end of the previous thread. A bit of a waste.
Good question though, I am being somewhat obnoxious right now, not only here, I'll tone it down a bit.

i've been playing Doom TNT but one life mode on ultra violence

i feel like im playing a different game without saving every 5 minutes

can't believe how much fun it still is!!!

>>5426332
10 sectors was a compilation megawad so every level is playable from pistol start (in fact, you probably SHOULD play each map from pistol start to get the intended gameplay experience...)

>>5426407
>place BFG and thousands of big cell pack pickups in map
>place three megaspheres near cyberdemons
>spam revenants and hell knights
>plus mancubi + arachnotrons on high pillars or unreachable sections to rain down projectiles on the player's general area
there we are lol

what am i doing wrong? I cant get Wolf TC to work.

So we all heard this ancient fairytale that action games are provoking violent behavior.
And I want to ask: how many of you even once actually played good old Doom to channel your rage?
It just hit me: I'm a fucking Angry Marine both in Net and RL (with all the consequences), and I never done that. Two or three times I do played some FPS specifically because I was fucking angry, but it wasn't Doom. And for years I usually play some relaxing office/casual shit like Bejeweled when I need to cool down.

>>5426597
...

>>5426380
Valiant isn't slaughter? Come on, it certainly isn't a normal wad.

>>5426597
Being angry while playing Doom just leads me to losing focus and getting killed faster.

Thought about the possessed engineer from Doom 4 and how he could work in MetaDoom.
>walks slow and simply explodes either in contact with player or when killed
>probably replaces a spectre
>his spawning chances are influenced by the existence of barrels in a certain area; the idea is that if barrels are in some part of the map, the mapper probably expects something "explosive" to happen
>like barrels and zombies, can be killed by axe without exploding but you may need to stun him or use holy water
>with a safe axe kill, he could drop fire extinguishers or ammo for them
>since he's a walking exploding barrel, you could use him against other enemies

>>5426616
I hate slaughterwads and Valiant do was challenging at times, but I wouldn't call it slaughterwad.

>>5426587
Why the fuck are you googling about poop and showing it to us?

>>5426618
Yep, my point exactly.

>>5426626
can't tell if new or just pretending.

>>5426597
I'll play Project Brutality to vent. It has the most detailed and savage violence I can think of out of all the games and mods I've played.

>>5426587
>not doing the mightiest poop ever to scare ghosts away

>>5426587
try this

>>5426630
What?

>>5426632
Can't do this, new beta needs new GZDoom, and new GZDoom is unplayable on my potato, even if I turn off literally all visual improvements and load fucking Knee-Deep in the Dead. But yeah, stable version is fucking dope, though randomized weapons spawns fucking up my play.

>>5426376
There's still some difficulty in making it all work out in a good way, with only being able to define 10 separate sectors. I mean you basically only have 9 to begin with, since one of them has to be your doors or something.

>>5426597
If I'm really pissed, I think I don't even feel like playing.

100 not linked sectors of /vr/ when

>>5426640
I moved the zdoom inis into the oflder and whatnot, but it looks like it's misreading the wolf3d_common.pk7 perhaps, should I rename it to .pk3?

>>5426657
no, .pk7 are .7z and .pk3 are .zip
where did you get it?
I downloaded it from here, the consolidated version:
https://www.afadoomer.com/wolf3d/downloads.html
>

>>5426407
>the argument that "mappers gave up on encounter design and just threw down enemies" has no factual basis or any evidence
..why not? some maps most certainly do that

>>5426669
that's the one im using, i re-downloaded and overwrite the files but still the same error with that wolf3d_common.pk7 for some reason.

>>5426689
I used zdoom 2.8.1 in the last image

>>5426650
What, and yes

>>5426685
Yes, but refuse to acknowledge those because then I'm wrong.

>>5426691
well fuck me, I was using zdoom 2.7 still. . .. thanks

>>5426701
there is a 2.9 in the git builds:
https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/zdoom/

Is PBR materials heresy?

>>5426685
>>5426696
such as

>>5426749
Yes.

>>5426749
everything comes down on how it's being used

is there a way to separately configure what powerups appear in (oblige) maps?

i want a lot less blurspheres and a lot more maps

>>5426749
This looks interesting. Ugly, sure, but intersting.

>>5426749
Comes to application.
Looking at that screenshot, I'm thinking it could look kind of neat in a low resolution, akin to normalmaps.

>>5426616
I can't remember there to be single slaughter map on Valiant. It's certainly a normal modern map pack.

>>5426597
I have this happy and comfy zen feeling, when I'm playing Doom. If I'm angry when I start playing, Doom gets me relaxed.

>>5426749
Not, not if done properly and with pixel-perfect normals/spec maps. These look off.

>>5426749
Depends on how shitty it looks

>>5426756
In the Oblige/games/doom folder look for pickups.lua file.
Open it with Notepad/your preferable text editor and search for POWERUP string.
There you go. Look at params and numbers and you could easily guess what's what. Also, one of older Oblige versions comes with increased monster numbers, so there was a request on the forum to how manually fix it (which was later included in release version, if I remember correctly).
And I highly recommend to use ObFab addons. This is turning simple Doom maps into... well, I'm at loss of words, you should see it.
And then there is Oblige 6.20 Epic Textures addon which will make you love this old version more, I promise.

>>5426792
mega thanks to you.

ObFab got merged into Obaddon, right? i'm loving it so far

Yholl is a cheeky cunt.

> make level
> create game
> "1 missingfile!"

you guys probably know more about this engine than /agdg/

I downloaded fresh DRLA after years of not playing it and I'm really impressed with the level of polish. However, after pressing PDA key I get a help screen and it says there that after reading this it will recognize me as not being a first-time user... But every time I press the button I only get the help screen.

Are there any mods that make locating secrets easier? Popping up an icon on screen when near something you can activate or something?

>>5426819
...Jesus Christ, how did I miss it?! No, huge thanks to you, my good sir!
Ahm. I mean - I don't know, good sir, but it looks like this.

>>5426749
yeah if you use such a low resolution. this shits like watching a blu ray on a black and white tv

>>5426878
>my good sir!

>>5426831
>HUD is beautiful but looks slightly too big
>also in 4:3 the bar above the map hides the number of monsters on the map
dammit.

>>5426831
?

>>5426854
Doom Delta has a secret detector that pings more rapidly when you're near a secret-marked sector. Won't necessarily help you find the trigger, but it's really cool anyway.

>>5426749
honestly i think this kinda works. has a garish, early 3d look to it that fits the blockiness of doom maps

Also what's the name of that one program that helps you keep your wads and engines in check?

>>5426894

>>5426920
ZDL

Finished the first episode of Amid Evil. I remember trying it a few months ago and disliking it, but this time around I found it really fun. Maybe it's been patched it since then. The weapons are satisfying and varied, the enemies are cool and well-animated, the level design is very solid, the gameplay is just all around good. As for cons, I would say the decision to mix sprites and models is odd, and the boss of the first episode was way too easy.

>>5426948
not retro

>>5426950
Neither is Wrath but it gets discussed and got slapped into the news post.

>>5426952
Wrath uses a Quake source port as its base. Amid Evil is entirely unrelated to retro games.

>>5426749
If you cut down on the reflectivity of everything this would probably look pretty cool. Link?

>>5426954
Wrath is still not retro. It's based on release date. Engine has nothing to do with it.

>>5426961
The engine was released before 2000.

>>5426961
By that logic, there should be no discussion of any fan content for Doom released in the 21st century.

>>5426961
Stop acting retarded.

>>5426961

It has piksels, so its retro. No piksels = no retro.

>>5426819
Getting
Script Error: attempt to index field 'tech_Outdoors_generic' (a nil value)
error. What I'm doing wrong?

>>5427013
no idea, i didn't run into any issues when adding it
are you sure you're using 7.70?

>>5427013
Nevermind, found it. It was Glaice Epic Textures. It was for Doom II only and Oblige 6.20 recognized it (as in removing from options if you choose Doom 1/Ult. Doom).

>>5426948
>>5426950
>>5426952
>>5426954
>>5426961
>>5426963
>>5426964

>This board is for the discussion of classic, or "retro" games. Retro gaming means consoles, computer games, arcade games (including pinball) and any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. With the release of the 8th generation of consoles, the Sega Dreamcast will now be considered "retro", though the remainder of the sixth generation (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) will not.

>any other forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.

Games as a whole, not the engine, not what the game tries to appeal, but the game itself.

Is that too hard to pickup?

>>5427067
too bad mods disagree with your personal view since the Amid Evil post was deleted whereas Wrath wasn't and we discussed a ton of it without deletions. :)

>>5427067
i feel like if a game is old enough to buy a pack of cigs at this point, it's retro.

>>5427069
Yeah it is this gatekeeping that makes Doom 3, Doom 4 and some other games leak into here just because they are continuation of pre-2000 franchises.

>>5427080
Don't say 'gatekeeping'.

>>5427105
Gatekeeping.

>>5427018
FUCK!!! Got
>Script Error: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a nil value)
error in the fucking e4m9, can you fucking believe it?! As in the fucking end of generating. For about 15 or even 20 minutes.
Looks like something in ZDoom specials. And now I have to figure out which one it is. Fuck.

>It's been 7 months since we've seen Doom Eternal gameplay
At least we still have Sigil and others.

>>5427105
Fenceowning

Are there any mapsets that looks and plays like No Rest for the Living?

>>5427105
Door Gorging.

>>5427105
Portcullis Holding.

Is there a way to report/remove wad from ModDB? I don't have an account here and don't want to register just to take down one idiotic thief.

>>5427018
...
And now it's on 45%

****** ERROR OCCURRED ******

Stack Trace:
1: c-function assert()
2: Edge_new() @ seed.lua:1066
3: create_edge() @ seed.lua:1429
4: Connect_directly() @ connect.lua:237
5: Connect_finalize() @ connect.lua:344
6: Area_create_rooms() @ area.lua:2664
7: Level_build_it() @ level.lua:2322
8: Level_make_level() @ level.lua:2459
9: Level_make_all() @ level.lua:2517
10: ob_build_cool_shit() @ oblige.lua:1281

Script Error: assertion failed!

The fuck is happening?

I recall someone once made some sprites based on the Tarman from Return Of The Living Dead, does anyone happen to have that sheet?

>>5427203
jesus christ when I saw this movie years ago I was so spooked out and turned on because of that one scene at the start

Need to rewatch this now, thanks lad

>>5426267
When i first saw the DOOM 2016 trailer, i though the skeleton had chainguns on it's back instead of rockets.

I would very much like to see that.

Why Perdition's Gate is almost never mentioned? Like, it's not counting as part of classic Doom?

>>5427220
Which scene? The one where Linnea Quigley strips? That comes later.
Anyway, really good movie, saw it first time this weekend, I've been missing out.

>>5427228
Had only a small scale publication by a small third party company for a short time.
It's also not very strong in my opinion, you could easily cut half the maps and that would improve it significantly.

>>5427228
>it's not counting as part of classic Doom
being old doesn't automatically make you a classic.

>>5427229
its the one where she's dancing naked in the graveyard, then it starts raining with all the zombie gas and infects everyone.

I guess it probably does come later now that I think about it, though I thought they went into that shed/building there while running from the zombies.

>>5427240
That can be said about TNT and Master Levels too. They are pretty bad, with the exception of TNT's secret levels. Even Thy Flesh Consumed and parts of base Doom 2 are questionable in quality.

>>5427246
yeah well the community disagrees, bub.

>>5427246
Can't say I agree, TNT is much better than PD, as is TFC. Hell, Doom 2 is on average better than PD.
Master Levels are a very mixed and I'm not that fond of them, but at least they attempt to challenge you.

Tell me what you think about Double Impact (doom wad).

>>5426317
>bfg causing minor laser damidge

Wat

>>5427262
The best E1 replacement I've ever played, and in general one of the best Doom episodes period.

>>5427234
I also don't think that it was not that great, but wouldn't come as far as discarding half of it.
>>5427240
Who said anything about age? "Classic" means "not TC/partial conversion", like it's sister release, Hell to Pay.
>>5427246
Master Levels, oh, don't even make me start about it. When I got my hands on it, I was severely disappointed. "Master" my ass. There are some really cool levels, but as whole it's a pretty mixed bag at best. This is where I would throw up at least half of maps without even thinking.

>>5427268
>"Classic" means "not TC/partial conversion"
wait so then why were you baffled that it's almost never mentioned then when it has no reason to being talked about much in the first place?

>>5427269
Are you an idiot or simply cannot read?

>>5427276
what did I miss?
>>5427228
>Why Perdition's Gate is almost never mentioned?
???

>>5427268
>but wouldn't come as far as discarding half of it
It's harsh, but I say that because roughly half of the maps are so very brief, unimaginative, uninteresting, and plain.
I know that Mustaine and his dad made some of the maps, then Wraith had some of their mappers contribute a bunch to fill in the slots, and the feeling I get is that the Wraith maps are the ones which are the weakest.

There's some good maps in Perdition's Gate, and some good ideas, but the good is seriously weighed down by A), all the mediocre maps, and B), interesting ideas hinted at, but never properly explored. Too many times, I played a map and felt "Well, what the fuck was the point of this map?", and too many times, I found myself wishing to see more of those funkier environments and setups like you see at one point, but that are never revisited.
The space hell stuff is used exactly once, in a small detour in one level, and it's the coolest idea in Perdition's Gate.

>>5427279
He's saying he's not the same guy.

>>5427285
then why would he assume what the poster is referring to about the meaning of the word "classic" in this context?

>>5427268
Master Levels is way more consistent than TNT. it should have just been a 32 level mapset

Anyone playing AMC TC episode 3? I'm having major performance issues and it's unplayable from the very first room.

Did Joel finish the Doom contest WADs? I haven't seen him stream Doom since he started playing Turok 2.

>>5427345
It didn't even run here.

>>5427357
We're reaching levels of jankiness never thought to be possible

theres no way to separate quake maps and the weapons replacements in such map like in doom? in quake is like some maps make changes in the weapons and there's no way to avoid that, like zerztorer, etc

>>5427503
there are some maps that have custom animations for explotions, or even different monsters, it would be awesome to have them separate to play some maps with different weapons and monsters like in doom

>>5427503
>>5427505
understand the difference between maps and mods, please

you have to merge the best of doom, quake and unreal, what do?

>>5427519
but in quake, maps include the mods, there are no mods without maps, right?

>>5427530
quoth, arcane dimensions, etc. are mods and can technically play any map you stick in the \maps folder, but there's no guarantee things will work properly
there's also not really any direct 'weapon replacements' in quake because there's no need to replace things when you can add new weapons, and the mods won't magically add the new pickups to maps that don't have them, i.e. if you play id1 through in AD, you're not gonna find any plasma guns or widowmakers

>>5427503
All the code for Quake mods is stored in a single, compiled file (progs.dat). And in partial conversions like Zerstorer, the maps likely use new features from that code for progression. So no, you can't really pick and choose (unless perhaps if you have access to the source code and know what to do with it).

What is the L'Étranger of Doom mods?

>>5427541
i don't know, but what about the diamondback?

>>5426332
This looks like a real shitty maze and that's definitely not only 10 sectors

>>5426407
I wonder if people would classify wads like Kama Sutra "slaughtershit" too.

I'm new here... What's the best solution to play Doom online?

>>5426267
Someone should email Pillowblaster and whoever created Hideous Destructor to stop official support for GZDOOM and work more with Zandronum and maybe also either Crispy or PRBOOM+.

where can i find powerslave ex?

>>5427587
you're joking, right?

>>5427587
>stop using zscript
are you stupid?

>>5427605
I think he's that dumbass who thinks Zandronum 3.0 was as capable as GZDoom. He's just trying to fit in with /doom/ even though he has no idea what he's talking about.

>>5427610
Hey, Zandronum has its merits. There is room for improvement.

>>5427572
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/69270-how-to-play-multiplayer-doom-tutorial-info/

>>5427564
in doom sectors can be non-contiguous if they share the exact same properties

Okay guys, time to flex my Photoshop muscles!

Choose a game (from NES, SNES or PSX era) and I'll remake a dozen textures from it in glorious 128x128 up to 256x256 ready for GZDoom use.

Maybe I'll start with Ninja Gaiden.

>>5427667
super metroid

>>5427564

>>5426616
Having some hordes in itself doesn't make a map or wad slaughter. Otherwise you'd be able to call maps like Suburbs or Plutonia's The Omen as slaughter.

>>5427669
But isn't there already a Metroid Doom?

>>5427667
Streets of Rage

>>5427564
It's 10 defined sectors.
>author of 10sector2 map 24

>>5427679
Any specific stage?

>>5427697
Surprise me.

>>5427676
if so, i'd be surprised

>>5427564
10 Sectors =/= 10 rooms

>>5427676
>>5427719
Space Hunter and Metroid Drednought, as well as some other one.

modular guns with all kinds of attachments for doom eternal
yes or no

>>5427780
...thats already how it was in 2016, i cant imagine them ditching that concept

>>5427783
well sort of
in 2016 you had a base gun with two mutually exclusive upgrades for only that gun
im talking about a universal system with upgrades that could be applied to more than one gun
like underbarrel nades, HAR minimissiles, scopes, bayonets, the works
something not unlike fallout 4's weapon customization junk

>>5427604
"Powerslave EX" is probably on the internet somewhere. Maybe some Portuguese site. It's 151 MB iirc...

>>5426267
I keep thinking of this song because of this thread title lmao xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVhAJpdf7nI

>>5427849
>xD

>>5427551
an actual fucking crutch

>>5427759
neither of those make use of textures, though

>>5427850
this is the doomguy's render for quake champions, right?

Whatever happened to that slav dude trying to sourceport Chasm: The Rift? Did he ded?

is it true duskdev posted one somewhere?

>>5427940
no, it's ranger

>>5427802
... But they were not mutually exclusive?
You could switch between them after you got both.
Mutually exclusive would mean that if you get one you cant get the other unless you start a new game.

>>5427998
i meant that you can't have both on at the same time, it's always only one or the other

should I play Brutal Doom Black Edition?

has anyone ever attempted to remake doom 1 in the build engine?

>>5428026
I recall seeing at least one attempt that looked fairly shoddy, it used the assets 1:1 but the rest looked off.

That said, it would be neat to see remakes of various retro FPS on another's game engine if they also inherited the visual style and remixed the maps around the concepts of both games. After someone made a Doom door texture that looked like something from Quake, I'm a sucker to see such things happen.

>>5428042
yeet

>>5428042
A long time ago I played Wolf3D mods on Doom, probably using Legacy source port.

>>5428025
i dunno, should you?

>>5426407
you arrived a few days late tothis discussion

>>5427541
old exploratory WADs. there's like 2-3 of them. interesting art pieces but 100% out of left field

if you mean "creator judged by society for not pretending to care", well, huh. brutal doom?

>>5428056
uh....

>>5426407
>what is Slaughterfest 2012

>>5428068
>old exploratory WADs. there's like 2-3 of them. interesting art pieces but 100% out of left field
You got my interest, what are their names?

>>5428082
can't remember them for the life of me, i think one got a cacoward

is BD Black Edition any good? Is it more demanding than PB?

Are there any Smooth-like mods for Heretic? Feel like replaying it. I'd like to avoid gameplay changes.

>>5427667
Kirby's Adventure

Which Space Marine would win in a fight?

>>5427291
Completely disagree.

>>5427352
I think he's done all the wads, yeah. Not sure what's going on with it at this moment, but when that one guy yelled him out, he acknowledged a lot of fault, so who knows what's happening exactly.

>>5426685
Not him, but I've noticed that people who use such argument never provide examples in the original post, and when asked for any, they either: A) Name something that's intentionally Slaughter, and not as a result of the mapper giving up. B) Name something that isn't even slaughter, and just has a few Suburbs/Omen tier hordes here and there. or C) Don't respond.

>>5427587
>Hey, demake all your highly complex ZScript code and make it all work with a bunch of Decorate workarounds, a lot which can't even be properly replicated! Next stop; Jank City!
Kegan is explicitly developing GMOTA for Zandybam compatibility, and I see him complain regurlarly at how crude and limited it is, and about the stupid-ass workarounds to achieve the results he want.

I myself am working in Decorate because I already started my project there, and I'm in no way vouching for people to focus on this kind of stuff, this state jump shit drives me up the walls.

>>5427587
>Crispy or PRBOOM+
Fuck, I didn't even see that part.
Oh yeah, asshole, let's try to rebuild complex mods made with actual scripting languages, in ports that only support DeHacked, and at best BEX.

>>5427667
Seconding this: >>5428117

>>5427228
Perdition's Gate is decent in the first half. But the second half is just mediocre filler maps made by the team behind Hell to Pay.
>>5427246
With the exception of Metal, TNT only gets truly questionable in quality during the final third. And the overall gameplay of TNT's first two thirds is stronger than PD.
Master Levels is a mixed bag, but has a few decent levels.

>>5427667
Batman on the NES.
I'm probably late though.

>>5427587
>maybe also either Crispy or PRBOOM+.
Theres a reason no one makes Gameplay mods for those engines. Dehacked is incredibly limited in what you can do.

>>5428151
If you're clever, you can actually do a lot of things with DeHacked, and in Boom ports and their derivatives, you have BEX, which is like DeHacked, but much more flexible.

None which is to say these can do even a fraction of what ZScript or even Decorate can do.

>>5427587
>Hideous Destructor
>PRBoom+
got me to reply

>>5427667
Useless.

>>5426909
Fuck you.

>>5427667

Why these nonsensical high sizes from source tiles that are extremely limited in the first place?

>>5426909
>>5426749
It reminds me a lot of Fallout 1 and 2, definitely could work but I feel like it needs to be done from the ground up for an original aesthetic rather than just slapping it on something that wasn't designed to look that way

>>5428026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LECeKIvWzik

>>5428237
Monsters are so afraid of doomguy they shrivel like frozen cocks when they notice him.

>>5428237
sorry, I meant to imply that they did a good job

>>5428237
Why there are bulletholes in the air?
Why do zombies bleed scraps?

>>5428134
I don't remember the pack, but last week (2-3 threads ago?) the same argument was happening and the dude arguing it posted some examples, if you are keen to look in the archive.

>>5427345
Runs pretty fine for me, but it has a huge tendency for crashing.

>>5428082
I think he's referring to Phobos or Earth, both of those have a sort of focus on exploration/aesthetics

Kind of a silly question but are there any worth while youtubers doing doom related content?

>>5428331
Not a lot. There's Icarus, who's an absolute dweeb and scrub

Quake or Quake II? Haven't played either.

>>5428378
Quake is one of the best FPSs of all times
Quake II is a John Carmack demo-reel showing everyone what a good handjob can he give to your voodoo card

>>5428378
Quake is more fun, but Quake 2 isn't actually bad.

>>5428397
>Quake II isn't bad
Why would you lie like that in the Internet

>>5428378

Quake 1 is cool, definitely play Scourge of Armagon after beating it. I thought the other addon was pretty lame desu.

Quake 2? Play the first couple of levels, then ditch it and just play the expansions (Reckoning first, then Ground Zero). The game could have been good if it stayed as interesting as level 1 but it really is a glorified tech demo.

>>5428402

>>5428368
>an absolute dweeb and scrub
Is that the dude all the Hideous Destructor fangirls have a hateboner for?

>>5427604
here you have, buddy, enjoy and have a nice day
https://mega.nz/#!ilhUzQpL!EbV3J7-yi9L3YxuG8EQNuyMqPs-g67TaGrzzph5qH9M

>>5428409
Them, and others.

>drla PDA gives precise info on common guns
>nothing on rare ones
>nothing for assemblies

>>5428124
It depends on what point in time you take them from. The nature of an RPG means that the SJ protag will likely obliterate Doomguy if he's been allowed to level up his party enough, but in their default states the Doomguy would probably kill him.

>>5428402

>>5426749
I kinda like the implementation there, but I think those are too shiny

>>5428456
Kinda gives off the idea Doom's taking place (at first at least) during sundown. I like it

Quake II is ok, although inferior to other retro id FPSes.
I usually use a Quake II install to test 3D performance and CD audio playback on various Windows 98 setups, so it's not useless, at the very least.

>>5428378
Play both!

>>5428506
why do you have to test Windows 98 setups in 2019?

>>5428510
Because a lot of old shit hates anything newer.
Not everything gets the privilege of source ports, you know.

>>5428409
He didn't even get two of HND's notirious features like the boomerang's ability to pick up stuff and Bassilissa

Are there any gameplay/cosmetic mods for prboom+?

enjoy...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDF9CPwSvFA

>>5428603
>That imp
That has to be one of the 2005 movie's monsters
They could have at least gave him red eyes and spikes

>>5428603

>>5428603
I had to check if today was April 1

>>5428603
I look at the trailer, and I don't feel anything one way or the other.

>>5428603
At least they actually are from hell this time.

>>5428620
Like this movie

>>5428603
What a time to be alive

>>5428603
It looks like shit. I've seen this movie already - some 14 years ago.

Are they still trying to genderswap Doomguy?

>>5428635
I heard he would actually show up there but who cares

>>5428603
>

>>5428603
Somehow looks even worse than the previous movie, at least that one had The Rock in it. This looks Syfy-tier.

>>5428639
you wish, the expanse is great

>On a whim, playing "Doom: Rampage Edition"
>It's really fucking bad, even with Heart of Demons: Baron tacked on
>Go into Slade
>All of the hit sponge enemies I hated had health 5x what normal enemies have
>Cut everything in half
>It plays smooth as butter

It's a shame the author of this mapset was such a little bitch about critique because most of the more serious problems in it are easily fixed.

>>5428641
the what?

>>5428603
lul
it's going to flop so hard

>>5428635
i guess, but they couldn't do it properly

>>5428647
>it's going to flop so hard
is not expected to flop or anything, it goes directly to cable

>>5426268
-> >>5428603
never forget

>>5428645
a syfy series

>>5428641
Exceptions aren't the general rule. Most Syfy movies look like this and they fucking brag about deliberately low quality stuff.

>>5428652
>never forget
most of us will
at least the original movie gave us the freedoom guy face and the bfg10k's design in skulltag

>>5428656
there is nothing comical in that trailer tho

>>5428657
I have this game on steam, can be played solo?

>>5428641
This. I am working on set of doom levels set on Ganymede. Would love to do a full TC of The Expanse, but the ships would all be wrong without room-over-room

>>5428603
who even is the audience of this?

>>5428663
what is udmf

>>5428603
The BFG(?) looks like a hollow plastic toy

>>5428659
So? Neither does their horror movies.

>>5428667
Seems too hacky, especially for my noobiness

>>5428670
is easy as fuck dude, it just needs more work time
I can show you if you want

>>5428603
this is dragon ball evolution levels of quality

>>5428669
you know what to expect from a sharknado movie

>>5428603
Someone expended money on this and I barely live over the minimum wage

>>5428698
sharknadoom when

>>5428705
>not revenadoom
one job

>>5426792
for some reason this didn't work ( i guess some are pre-placed in some prefabs?)

i guess having a wad to directly replace all blurspheres into maps would work fine if drla replaces said maps by its own things (so i guess if i load this first) but i have no idea of how to do it

>>5428698
What's your point?

>>5428671
Still working on textures atm, will have a google when I'm back at a real PC and not phoneposting and see how it works

>>5428706
I want to see this now.

>>5427012
when you can't find n+1th part of the puzzle and you searched everywhere

>>5428714
>>5428706
call term

>>5428728
@term

>>5428603
>Annihilation
That just reminds me of Mortal Kombat Annihilation, and that's a bad omen right there.

>>5428728
Term's an absolute fucking nice guy.

>>5428714
imagine the fps

>>5428798
yes, you would have to imagine them because it will not move from 1

>>5427587
might as well ask them to work on a gzdoom fork at this point

>>5428603
This makes the Resident Evil movies look like masterpieces.

>>5428775
never watched this?

trailer looks really

>>5428603
>This isn't a game anymore
Yeah, this is shit now

>>5428681
>>5428676
>>5428683
what map/mod

>>5428656
>>5428813
>>5428809
>>5428817
>>5428775
Hey folks ive been gone awhile
how fucked is everything at this point in /vr/ and doom/quake overall?
has graf gone full beastmode yet?

>>5428816
it sure looks.
thats all im willing to say about it

>>5426749
>>5428456
>>5428476
>>5426754
>>5428215
Overused in this example.
Because of the hellspawn contamination everything is going to be dirty to some extent.

The PBR effect is maximized when its only used on certain textures in certain areas. At least for shine/specularity.
No problem really with using it for the bumpmaps on most of the materials - but the shine should be a rare treat.
> the shine on the pistol should be limited to the barrel/slide only, not the rear part of the slide

>>5428603
I'm going to watch it.
You know what might be fun, is a /vr/ movie night. We can get together and watch a stream of this...
Legally of course, somehow.

>>5428603
its a straight to home movie type so basically, why is this being made? just a haha because there was a doom movie before? maybe you can capitalize on players who only know 2016; maybe they are gullible enough to rent it.

the actor who plays the lead said 'who needs a doom guy' which is really pretentious disrespectful and also retarded
and if you are going to do a character who isn't doom marine because movies, for the most part, need an actual character with like lines and stuff and you don't want to fuck the source material by giving Doom Guy lines. just do Crash, she talks, she's fun and lovable. I wouldn't put crash past the level of cool that Doom Guy has made for himself
I mean I did main her as my quake skin over doom.
imagine a high-quality movie with crash and doom as leads but only crash talks and they graphically kills some bad guys. like a non-first person hardcore henry

>>5426749
>everything is covered in poo

>>5428838
oh, and I forgot to add the credits play intermission from the doom 1 ost

>>5428834
>legally
>this crap
it doesn't even deserve to be pirated

>>5428843
I keked

>>5428397
>>5428402
get rid of the single barrel shotgun, and the machinegun and you're sorta getting there
> mfw for that one expansion they put in a nailgun - the ETF rifle - because people were butthurt
there was literally nothing wrong with putting a nailgun in quake 2, it could've been a micro-blaster, or shot rocket propelled drill bits (and they could've called it a "Bolter" for christ sakes)
personally id have done some other things, but the rocket projectile speed sure did need to go up by about half

>>5428834
back to '00 with you

>>5428708
His point is that the Sharknado series is explicitly marketed as a horror-comedy while most other "Syfy originals" (pretty sure the new Doom movie is one of those) are supposed to be straight horror films.

>>5428847
What film dis?

>>5428838
>expecting a bunch of boomer niggers who've never played or heard of Q3 and Crash or likely never played Doom to ever do anything right for a Doom movie.
It's gonna be a bigger shit show than Rock Doom. At least that one was "turn your brain off and channel the Doom 3" fun. Especially with the fps part.

Use Delphi Doom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAtrHt-km64

>>5428852
Not true, I've watched the Syfy channel before and one of the commercials showcasing many of their movies has literally them saying "AMAZING EFFECTS. EXCELLENT ACTING. TERRIFIC WRITING...NONE OF THAT IS HERE". Most Syfy originals have the same shitty tone as Sharknado, the latter is just their most known one. Also no the new Doom movie isn't a Syfy original, it's done by a Universal branch studio, even though I pointed out it looks just as bad as something Syfy would shit out.

>>5428838
>just do Crash
what is it with /doom/ thinking anyone remembers her other than a small group of people in the doom community. she didn't even have a cameo or mention in the slightest in Doom 4 and that's the game that most people know about today.

you'd be more likely to get a Commander Keen reboot than Crash ever appearing again.

>>5428854
im going to be real with you chief, I liked the doom movie.
Like I watched it not too long ago on netflix to see if it still held up and at least in my mind it did

>>5428870
I think since no one cared about the doom 2016 multiplayer and doom eternal is getting single player dlc as well as campaign multiplayer through invasions I wonder if we'll get expansions like 3 and maybe they can do Phobos and crash (please god) I still can't believe that they haven't added crash to quake champions yet

>>5428423
not him but thanks anon, have a nice day you too

>>5428870
same people who treat doom 64 like a mainline doom game
if that can be referenced in eternal, there's hope for crash

>>5428151
>>5428154
the only thing I want to do with DEH is change the ammo capacities, thats it
>>5427606
>>5427587
I, for one, am not touching zscript
when Decorate is gone and there's nothing like it to replace it in some other port im finished with doom
> zscript is too complicated, its not like decorate
> if I could do zscript, id be making my own damn sourceport

Also when are people going to get palette remaps working in 24 bit images?

>>5428603
wow it somehow manages to look both exactly the same as the first one but worse at the same time.

>>5428975
Decorate probably won't go anywhere, it'll stick around for compatibility purposes, like DeHacked.

>>5428975
what is this whole "zscript is 100% arcane nonsense"
you can literally convert your decorate to zscript by changing a few words and adding some semicolons and squiggly brackets
and then you suddenly have access to more utility and convenience

>>5428984
>compatibility purposes
toppest of keks

>>5428838
>the actor who plays the lead said 'who needs a doom guy' which is really pretentious disrespectful and also retarded
lol cry some more

>>5428992
>>5428847
>>5428821
>>5428984
im not as sure as you
graf may already have a back burner project to make a convertor utility that takes decorate and parses it into new zscript so that he can remove compatibility altogether
> and then he wont care whether it breaks compatability anyway because we'll be so deep into new bloated dysfunctional versions that he thinks people will just accept it

>>5428990
but its not convenience because its not what I learned how to do, and I have no interest in programming, and its a pain in the ass to add those changes
> im not moving to zscript, end of story

>>5429000
I will do just that and no one can stop me

>>5429001
> i learned how to use decorate, so its ok
> i refuse to learn zscript, so its bad
this seems like a too common occurance with everyone who keep shying away from zscript

>>5428992
We still have compatibility with DeHacked, MBF, and BEX, mostly because there's a bunch of old stuff which works on it.

>>5429001
>a convertor utility that takes decorate and parses it into new zscript
Honestly, if that works, I'd be fine with that.

>>5429000
>Nothing wrong with taking a piss at potential consumers or fans of this established franchise
Works so well

>>5429001
>graf may already have a back burner project to make a convertor utility that takes decorate and parses it into new zscript so that he can remove compatibility altogether
you're completely delusional if you think graf is going to rip out decorate and break compatibility with every single mod released before gzdoom 2.4
can you think of a single reason why anyone would do that? one?

>and its a pain in the ass to add those changes
it really isn't
here's an example: https://www.hastebin.com/iwocozosaj.txt

>>5429037
You do realize this is Graf we're talking about, right?

>>5429000
heavy? why are you shit posting on 4chan?

>>5429037
>can you think of a single reason why anyone would do that?
because graf, so its bad
>>5429037
>it really isn't
but its not decorate, so its bad

>>5429005
based

>>5429041
again, you are completely delusional if you think graf is going to go out of his way to rip out decorate
you can't compare no longer targeting old graphics cards with breaking compatibility with 90% of the zdoom mods ever released

>>5429037
>can you think of a single reason why anyone would do that?
graf?

>>5429041
Try thinking less in memes.

>>5429053
Because why hasn't he ripped out compatibility with Dehacked and BEX? Why do those still work like they've done for the past 20 years?

>>5429062
yet

>>5428838

My theory is that Bethesda was unsure about Doom's future right up until the moment D44m became successful, and had greenlit this movie before that point. People thought D44m was gonna be shit because Bethesda acted like they had a turd on their hands.

>>5429065
okay so now we're going beyond zdoom mods; you're saying graf is going to break every single doom mod ever because...
what next? he's gonna rip out support for the doom map format because it's not UDMF?

>>5429010
>>5429019
>>5429041
>>5429051
>>5429053
>>5429037
I think graf is completely delusional, so it adds up
he sure as hell broke computer compatibility after 3.0
the final version of GZ I have on my system is 3.25
> hastebin example
No

>>5429047
Actually id learned how to do decorate back with edge which was using DDF files, and in the early days of zdoom they borrowed the example of DDF and made decorate with it
> the only real difference is you could only set one frame per line, while in decorate you can go ABCD and get a bunch of frames per line

>>5429072
you seem very upset about this, is not like graf destroyed compatibility of anything ever

>>5429065
So you're basing your notion on a completely hypothetical situation that has yet to happen?

>>5429072
>he's gonna rip out support for the doom map format because it's not UDMF?
about fucking time

>>5429082
graf, you really need your pills

>>5429083
>>5429082
>>5429065
>>5429076
> what is directX
failure

>>5429082
I'm going to take a quick look at my doom 2 folder and see what mods are not working right now
>wolfenstein 3d tc
>pirate doom
>doom slayer chronicles

>>5429067
impressive, that todd, ill tell ya

>>5429087
Good meme.

>>5429093
>pirate doom
Wasn't that released while Decorate was still being updated?

>doom slayer chronicles
Doesn't that piece of shit run in ZScript, not Decorate?

>>5429076
I'm more amazed you actually believe that graf is some sort of super boogeyman that's out to make gzdoom compatible with absolutely nothing
he's no longer supporting old graphics cards, there's been a few regressions that broke some mods and subsequently have been fixed in future versions, he's [No] happy with feature requests, and he has public temper tantrums sometimes. but he's not out to break compatibility with every doom mod under the sun. if he was, he'd probably have deleted ACS from zdoom a long time ago for being an utter atrocity, there wouldn't be functions like A_FireProjectile (which exist to fix behavior for the future while keeping the old behavior around for compatibility reasons), and zscript wouldn't have a versioning system.

seriously, if you're gonna be mad at graf, be mad at him for things that are actually true.

>>5429114
>5 zpoints have being added into your zdoom account

>>5429117
Are you capable of arguing with another person like a real human, or can you only regurgitate stale memes in response to anything at all?

>>5429114
Remember how he wanted game resolutions to be handled?
Remember the hard drive exploit?
Lilith?
GZDoom is possibly the most advanced (still flawless) source port for Doom and either Graf forgets that or has his ego enhanced by it, to the point he brings issues to both players and modders who are why you'd get GZDoom in the first place.
It's like the Youtube of Doom source ports and it's why we alternatives, be it a fork or a different source port.
This is why that Sonic Kart mod is great, since it even broke a curse based around racing Doom mods.

>>5427365
>>5427357
>>5427345

The creator said that the minimum requirements are to have an intel i5 or higher as some of the maps (With the combinations of EDuke32 sourceports, because of IonMaiden) requirring better hardware, a computer with an i3 gives some lag issues.

>>5429125
I can do both but I'd like to know if I'm talking with you graf or rachel

>>5429114
Graf threatens the other zdoom admins with quitting if they don't suck his dick every week. this is pretty much known and the mods don't even pretend half their job is "graf damage control"

Why they think graf quitting would be the end of the doom modding community i don't know, but graf is a lazy fucker that just wants the easy way out of things and if people don't keep him in check he'd remove anything that slightly annoys him.

Graf just wants his name attached to the zdoom port. Losing compatibility is simply not an issue to him because he doesn't care doom mods or the community and it's history.

>>5428806
this is actually the best possible solution.

>>5429141
Neither. I don't like either of them (particularly Rachel), and while I know they can exhibit poor judgment, I think it's stupid to be alarmist about something that's showing no goddamn indication of happening.

Try to be calm for like, one goddamn minute of your life.

>>5428990
I think the difference is: having modding tools for designers vs. having to actually know how to program to make a mod.

The community has more or less jumped to the latter, and a bunch of older modders can't or won't learn to code

>>5429062
if he did that he'd have half the old guard jumping on his throat

so, what should i convert to demoliton ammo
uzi?
assault rifle?
chaingun?
combat pistol?
handcannon?
save it until i get a minigun?

>>5428806
>>5427587
>>5429142
graf should quit
he is the weakest link
eventually someone powerful would step up to make zdoom great again
...also nothing that has been added since the early 3.x versions matters, the design style of doom based games and mods building off of them
> has fractional or sub-1 tic timing been made available by now? I doubt it. It would be easily done by checking if there are any actors that have +SUBONETICS flags enabled, then establish special timing rules whenever they hit any states that have those within them.
>>5428990
>>5429157
get it right
zdoom is a modding platform for designers
platform for designers
for designers
designers
UNITY is for people who know how to program
QUAKE modding is for people who know how to program
zdoom is superfluous and underpowered as a tool for showcasing designs if you know how to program already

>>5429186
>eventually someone powerful would step up to make zdoom great again
pfffffttttthahahahahahahahahahahaha you fucking wish

>>5429181
For Scout id go with the uzi
For Marine Just go with the minigun

I realy hope Yholl increases the variations for the demolition ammo,
I mean sure a Nitrogen Blade (Melee weapons that does explosive damage on oppoents) weapons wouldn't make any sense but it would be cool.

>>5429190
> t. graf himself in this thread

learning hard
complaining easy
graf bad

>>5429190
>>5429226
shut the fuck up graf

>>5428975
>>5429001
Are you the same person that finds ACS too hard to learn?

it bothers me how no id game in history has ever received the GOTY title.

>>5429232
Learn a new phrase, you parrot.

>>5429186
>eventually someone powerful would step up to make zdoom great again
>powerful
you don't quite get it. nobody else is willing to take up zscript coding. Someone could proboably fork zdoom again and make a non opengl verison with updated zscript. Or maybe just take up the current gzdoom version and start his own version. Graf would see how everyone abandons him in minutes.

>zdoom is a modding platform for designers
Not since zscript and decorate. The doom community would have died years ago if it weren't for the efforts to develop a language to mod with, as we have run out of things to do with dechacked/boom and respective map design tools since 2010.

To fix the current problem someone needs to get up to graf's nerves and make him quit, and the vacuum would probably inspire someone to try and help. Problem is iirc graf holds the gzdoom code under lock & key

>>5429235
They got rid of Decorate?
Seemed good, why get rid of it?
>not same anon you responded to.

>>5429209
i'm playing Technician

yeah, i don't think DRLA has a special damage type (resistance) for explosive, but still a blast maul, a powered quaterstaff or a (shot)gunblade would be great

>>5429242
> nobody else is willing to take up zscript coding
kinda tells ya something doesnt it
and thats a good thing
> language to mod with
Decorate is a language

> run out of things to do with
Then someone needs to get creative and look at what functional things other retro games, and modern fps's do and try to reproduce those dynamics here.

- How about better AI so you dont have wall traps for monsters. Critters that will do some pathfinding to try and find you. Or adding the option to put in static waypoints (no pathing) so map designers can say "there is a route of access right here" and let the AI figure out pathfinding from there
- How about built-in differences between hitbox and size box? So that monsters can still have their movement restricted by the size cylinder, but you can have a much smaller hitbox so just like real life you have to be dead on with your shots.
- How about Alpha Layers for sprites so you can make fuzzy edged guns. Take the PNG file just like it is.
- Palette shifting, since everything is going to 24 bit, how about giving sprite sets their own palette and then being able to do palette swaps. Because Translate strings are only viable within the game's main palette, and the hue shifts are weakAF sauce.
- How about Bullets that change the damage they do based on distance?
>>5429235
>>5429226
umm...
do you know where you are?
I mean not just here but also the doom community itself?

The only improvements that the doom community at large has been willing to invest in are nicer textures (which are usually ripped from somewhere else) and more detailed maps. And the map detail has only been made possible by realtime WYS map editors like slade and doombuilder.
And the fact that alot of them are NEETs who have the spare time.
>>5429238
mostly iD has only made technology proof of concepts, though a few games have had solid gameplay and aesthetic (doom, quake).
Starting around Doom3/Rage they weren't relevant for the tech aspect anymore.

>>5428603
I don't care about Doomguy being a woman, but why do they all look like they belong to a Swat team?

>>5429252
If it's the case then go still with the minigun, and wreck planets then

Speaking of melee, one thing i found on the
New test maps was apparantly an unfinished weapon (no sprites or function) named Dragonslayer that apparantly the description in the pda mentions it as A sword so hey we at least have this to get ecxited for!

>>5429265
yeah, IT is in the base roguelike and i remember someone posting here about making a sprite for it a while ago.

i'll still give it a shot on the handcannon, just because it says the damage is based on the ROF so this should be huge and i found a 2nd firestorm already

>>5429247
No.

>>5429260
>>5429242
>>5429235
>>5429226
Also when the fuck is someone going to make Voxels that work GOOD in the game?
Voxels are becoming BIG and its partly because of minecraft fags... and the doom/quake community is falling behind on that
> yes I also mention Quake about this because I can easily see a Voxel based game as a Demake for Quake 1 and 2
> except at this point a voxel based quake game would be an upgrade because it would still be 3d but it would make it look pixelated just like it did in the old days

For some flying fuck reason Graf thinks that voxels are inferior to 3d models and he's wrong.
- They're alot easier to make
- They have the retro style
- His code is shit for handling them, which isnt an excuse
> fact is gz should be converting voxels to a single 3d model if it comes to it, in the pre-game loading phase
> take all the pixels and treat them as cubes then use commonly accessible merging algorithms to join each touching object into a single object
> have each polys given a flat color based on the voxel

> i will now whine about people using zscript instead of putting my money where my mouth is and make mods using decorate and acs

>>5429285
I will agree with you here, Graf needs to make with real voxels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEV3EEgaSE4

>>5429293
>>5429291
>>5429260
>>5429242
>>5429242
>>5429235
>>5429226
When are modern developers going to understand that trying to set the bar higher for end users is NOT GOING TO PRESSURE them to invest time in learning new skills.
> this is the way to do it, if its hard for you that just means you suck and you need to get gud
> actually trying to manipulate users into investing time to learn some skill
> but that isnt what they actually want to do, and they dont believe that it should require that pursue their HOBBY
So instead of learning programming
they lower their own standards and continue working with decorate

This is like the voxels and 3d models issue. If you want to make voxels you dont need an expensive or hard to get program. And you can pursue it from the same standpoint as pixel art or chiseling at a block of stone. Some programs even have import tools to take a sprite image and turn it into a voxel.
> if you want 3d models, you need an expensive heavy weight program that must be pirated pretty much
> and you have to build everything as if its hollow and made out of paper mache, a construction process which creates weakAF physical models when you try to do this in real life with paper and frames made out of wire, which have no practical durable value except concepts
> why would people actually bother with trying to learn this when it is NOT how you build a concrete structure, it is NOT how you would create a wooden model, it is not how you would widdle and carve on sticks or chunks of plastic, and it isnt even the way you would make an injection mould

Also, ease of use means getting things done faster, which is an improvement to efficiency, and more enjoyable because you can put in even More content. Or get to see the results of your changes more quickly.

>>5427551

>>5429306
quake jump servers are the apex of /vr/ degeneracy
they should be burned down out of the internet

>>5428664
people who hate video games I guess

>>5428664

People who fell into a coma around 2003 and just woke up

>>5429181
One of the more accurate ones that works at a range. The uzi is liable to blow up in your face if you aren't the demolitionist. I usually go with the assault rifle but it's up to you.

>>5429285
maybe we could ask the jp community about that, most (true) voxel games on android i've seen were from japan

>>5429238
...from?

>>5429351
how would we go about doing that?
they might not want to say

how do the nuke barrels work now? infinite range of fuck you but no (or little) wall penetration?

>>5429361
not sure what context this is to do with
but nukage barrels have always been about the same
A_Explode checks if you're within the blast radius (128) then does damage to you based on how far you are.
If there's any part of you that can be hit.
If there's a solid linedef between you and the explosion it is blocked.

>>5429371
>context
new DRLA update

and i'm talking about the full blown nuke barrels, not just those full of toxic waste

>>5429354
you know how they hand out awards once a year? yeah that

>>5429371
he's talking about DRLA nuclear warhead barrels
>>5429361
massive explosion
goes through walls, about triple the size of normal explosions

>>5429380
> goes through walls
how did they managed to pull that off?
only way ive determined you could do that is by spawning additional explosions at regular intervals, using geometry
> which may not be effective at spawning an explosion in a tight space if the exploder is spawned outside the level structure

>>5429260
>kinda tells ya something doesnt it
>and thats a good thing

I think you are a retarded old fart with a bone to pick.

You just want to see the thing disappear because you personally can't handle it.

>Then someone needs to get creative and look at what functional things other retro games, and modern fps's do and try to reproduce those dynamics here.
You need something like zscript to do that, boi

>>5429260
>The only improvements that the doom community at large has been willing to invest in are nicer textures (which are usually ripped from somewhere else) and more detailed maps.
yeah this confirms the old man hypothesis. Take your pill gramps, you are out of touch with the community.

>>5429310
>When are modern developers going to understand that trying to set the bar higher for end users is NOT GOING TO PRESSURE them to invest time in learning new skills.
This is true, but there's also the fact that interested in old tools has all but dissappeared.

We are basically 100% dependant on graf or someone else to make a user end modding tool that uses modern features.

>DRLA's update wasn't on Inmost Dens

>>5429392
> I think you've got a bone to pick
yeah I intend to unseat graf, get rid of his influence, and get the community to do the things it needs to do so it can remain just as creative... and accessible
> maintaining accessibility will ensure more people keep coming in

> out of touch
not from what ive seen
> you need zscript to do that
no you dont
though, conveniently, a number of core mechanics have been transferred to zscript
- since it came up recently, the action to generate an explosion (A_Explode) is that in zscript or is that in the base code for the game?

Im talking about more actions being built in to inherit from out of the box so you can just call them up like usual and insert parameters.
- I was clear in denoting BUILT IN differences between hitbox and sizebox. Which would dictate putting the option in by default and then going through all of the actor definitions and providing Hitbox stats which just happened to be the same size as their Height/Radius, to be fair to the vanilla content.

Also adding basic object properties, stuff like "Height" and "Radius". Are those also defined in zscript or just in the base code?
- Also I doubt you can implement Palette Swaps using zscript. Because it would dictate a different way that image resources would have to be handled.
- AI is also more of a core mechanic for how the game operates. Im talking about adding additional types of AI beyond just the way doom does it. Thats not in zscript either.

I think you need to take your pills bud.

note the IMMEDIATE dip in quality after that trailer was posted

>>5429389
it uses a_radiusgive with an item that does self damage
>>5429394
> inmost dens
> alive in any capacity

>>5429271
oh wow this thing can cause extreme death cacodemons NICE

>>5429428
They at leasted posted about Wrath

Quake 2's Lazarus mod added a lot of fancy stuff to the game, like rain, dynamic fog, Half-Life-like func_vehicles, advanced scripting for sequences and so on.

Just a shame I never got to do anything with it and this is the first time I get to see it summarised. It's just a .DLL and some stuff you add to the base game. No special client needed. It is really impressive IMHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=075EA4WPSr4

>>5428635
They never did. For better or worse, the movie will infact have doomguy according to the director

>>5428809
They're not that bad.

>>5429463
>man of shad

>>5429517
damn i didnt notice. now i have to walk out of my door

>>5429536
here you go