/vr/ - Retro Games

>aged

>aged when it's the same

>>5413548
>>5413550
Everything ages. ST is a great example of a game that aged well though.

>>5413553
All you can do is hold the line by throwing fireballs. Trying to play up close is suicidal.

>>5413557
Which is why Claw is so high teir lol

>>5413548

Games don't age asshole. It still plays and looks the same as in 1994.

>>5413572
>what is bitrot

>>5413572
It's grown tiresome having to explain common English to ESL students. If you don't understand the language you're using it's no one's fault but your own.

>>5413568
That's more like beating the meta than it is being legit strong.

He basically wins out because he doesn't have to obey the rules everyone else is bound to.

>>5413580
Which is why chun and dalsim who don't win with fireball spam are higher tier than Ken and Ryu...You sound pretty clueless about fighters.

>>5413557
Post your main faggot

street fighter is overrated. I would rather play dark stalkers or rival schools or any number of SNK fighters before I would choose to play any street fighter.

>>5413578
It really bothers me that there are genuine retards that don't understand what the concept of "aging" means when it comes to films and videogames. Some are trolling, but there are quite a few who genuinely believe one can appreciate a game in 2019 as they could back in 1985.

>>5413654
It's autism. They can't understand the concept of perspective. Something is as it always was literally and therefore it can't be anything different to me because I'm a fucking omniscient perfect mind.

Fucking hate autists.

the fuck is this thread

>>5413659
>>5413654
>>5413578
>this game is worse now because of other new games.

>>5413661
kids that dont understand or appreciate older games and want to talk about battle for bikini bottom already

>>5413667
What's it like being a dysfunctional autistic?

Oh that's right you have no theory of mind so you can't comprehend the idea of describing what it's like to be you.

>>5413671
Than how come I like Street Fighter 2 when I only played it a 1 year ago for the first time?

>>5413634
scrub detected

>>5413680
How come you're a retard whose brain doesn't work properly?

>>5413690
How about using actual arguments instead of buzzwords you double nigger

>>5413693
I don't want to argue with you because it would be less like arguing and more like trying to explain basic logic to an obstinate 12 year old.

>>5413659
>>5413654
I don't think it's autism I think it's a reflection if youth culture. It's as if there's a resistance to learning anything. When presented with something they don't already know they refuse to learn what it is and instead insist it must not be real.

Like this >>5413667 they instead misunderstand and then then dismiss it. I used to go to great lengths to try and teach them what the phrase actually means and why it exists as a concept but they have zero interest in learning. So now I just post that or something else and then make fun of them.

>>5413680
Because you don't understand what the concept of aging even entails or that something can age well or poorly.

>>5413671
The only people who don't have theory of mind are rich people.

>>5413737
Wow I hope that's bait

>>5413748
It's been scientifically proven that rich people lack empathy.

>>5413572
Nothing gets my autism senses ringing more then fighting games whose tiers change. The fucking game didn't change, Sagat plays the same in 1994 as he does in 2019, only the players changed. Just because some asshole in 2018 is smiting everyone with Blanka doesn't mean Blanka became a more powerful character for instance. God I hate shoryuken.com fags

>>5413557
just because you're too stupid to know all the strategies involved doesn't mean they aren't there.

alright faggots
what's the best home port of ST?
>inb4 none

>>5413758
Mame

>>5413548
You aged poorly

>>5413758
Dreamcast

>>5413758
3DO

This thread has the same people as the altered beast one

>>5413548
st is still the best game to learn fundamentals to use across all fighting games.

>>5413847
quiet, vappa

aged poorly means doesn't hold up well to today's standards. how fucking hard is it for you fucking autistic speds to understand this? jesus christ.

>>5413751
I get how it could seem confusing. Tiers really refer to the highest level of play and as new strategies emerge and then work their way through the system it changes the overall ranks of characters. I find it very fascinating how even in old games like ST players are still able to find new things and challenge established tier lists. It's one if the reasons It's probably my favorite genre of games.

>>5413708
Not him but it seems like you can't clearly do that when it takes so little effort as you seem to imply, what does that say?

>>5413548
Was there even a home release of this?

>>5413847
It's really not unless what you eventually want to be playing is an iteration of SF or another Capcom game. Otherwise it's always best to start with what you eventually do want to be good at.

>>5413897
Sort of. A few versions in Japan, but America only got the DOS, GBA and 3DO ports which is a cruel comedy.

>>5413750
So you got it backwards? Or do you not understand the concept at all?

sf2 is great and teaches you fighting game fundamentals, but there's very little reason to get into it competitively today

>>5413818
>no parallax scrolling
trash

>>5413680
Because enjoying a game and the concept of "aging" are subjective.

There are people who say an RPG has aged poorly by virtue of having turn-based combat, which is retarded. There's nothing bad with turn-based combat, as opposed to, say, "this RPG has aged poorly because it uses a shitload of random encounters to pad out the game's length", which is something that most definitely was a thing in old JRPGs but isn't nowadays because devs have moved past that.

This doesn't mean you cannot enjoy Dragon Warrior, but to deny it is outdated is ridiculous.

>>5413959
We also got it on Saturn as part of the Street Fighter Collection as well as on ps2 with Capcom Classics Collection 2. The main issue is that there really isn't an accurate home port of SSF2T. Pretty much every version of the game has something off about it, whether it be inputs and timing that tourney players are more sensitive to, reduced animations or scrolling like on 3DO, or improperly scaled sprites like on the otherwise decent DOS port.

>>5413996
>newfags buttmad about random encounters
Stop ruining things I like, crybaby faggots.

>>5413996
Aging badly doesn't mean is isn't or shouldn't be enjoyable.

>>5413996
>aged poorly means thing I don't like

CE>HF>ST

>>5413976
>but there's very little reason to get into it competitively today
Compared to most older fighters it has a pretty active scene, only KoF98 and Third Strike beat it I feel. the last big tournament I was at, Frosty's, for example had like thirty people crowded around the ST set ups. It's definitely not close to the level of a modern fighter but as far as old fighters go there is a scene.

Now getting good, that is different story.
>>5414094
Even with all it's bullshit I would say ST is probably still the most balanced competitively of all iterations, as sad as that sounds.

>>5414054
Not even close.

I WANNA NUT
YEAH!

God Cammy is so fucking hot. Is there a comprehensive sprite gallery somewhere with all of Cammy's sprites across all Street Fighter games? Pic related, PS1 sprites from the Street Fighter Collection are so much more detailed compared to Super Street Fighter II's for the SNES.
>>5414049
I never implied that, in fact, I actually said "enjoying a game and the concept of aging are subjective".
>>5414054
No, "aged poorly" means "what was great then is fairly shit now".

>>5414286
Not all of them but maybe try The Fighter Generation, I've found it to ve a decent source for sprites.

>>5413758
Probably Dreamcast, but the 3DO and Saturn ones are good. GBA isn't too shabby for what it was. I know the 6th gen and 30th Anniversary collect are emulated. >>5413847
I'd say so, it's basically the game that really popularized the fighting scene.

>>5413758
Dreamcast port. Capcom Classic Collection 2 on ps2 and xbox is the best on those consoles. This is port that appeared on dreamcast. This port was then used to build SSFT2 HD remix.

>>5414286
"Aged Poorly" means that the flaws that weren't so apparent then are more apparent now due to having more material to compare it to. It's a valid critique, it's not so much against the game but as something to note.

>>5414406
>>5413996
Well considering that no one really played JRPGSs in the early 90s until FF7 arrived, and people only started circle jerking SNES "classics" years after the fact, it seems to me the games age never had to with anything. Rather it was newfags aging into the hobby and projecting stuff onto these games even though nobody gave a fuck about them back in the day.

Hyper fighting was WELL better

>>5414406
>flaws weren't so apparent

Ignore this thread, people are just shitting up the board like this >>5414012

>>5414538
NO, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE FIGHTING GAMES BETTER THAN SUPER TURBO, EVEN RETRO GAMES.

Who /Breakers/ here?

>>5414595
You're probably being sarcastic but there are some hardcore fighting game fans who would argue that seriously.

>>5414462
Now this I can agree on. I love HF so much. Guile is more fun to play

>learn to play third strike
>parries trivialize fireball battles
>try to get into IV and V
>hadoken hadoken hadoken hadoken

>>5415897
If parrying was the only way you could handle projectile spam you'll never be any good. Often times someone will open up on a new opponent with a ton of hadokens just to see how they'll handle it and if they can't then there's not much point doing anything else.

Is it normal to only use Chun Li and Cammy? I get the feeling I wouldn't give a shit about Street Fighter if not for them.

>>5415897
Focus attack or Ryu v-skill

fgc was a mistake

>>5413548
>Super Turbo aged poorly.
so what?

>>5415904
>Often times someone will open up on a new opponent with a ton of hadokens just to see how they'll handle it and if they can't then there's not much point doing anything else.
Not him but someone who's super trashy at fighting games. What would be the proper way to handle it?

>>5415874
I'm not being facetious, I'm well into SFA and SF3 more than II.

>>5413634
You damn right. Only good SF's are alpha 2 and 3 and SF 3

fuck FUCK FUUUUUCK

How the fuck do you emulate Arcade games on RetroArch? I can't seem to find a damn guide to do this, only that I need to use "MAME" but I don't know where to download roms, BIOS, etc.

>>5416478
It depends on the game really. In the case of ST fireballs are a very powerful tool, they're a lot stronger compared to other SF games, so seeing what looks like "fireball spam" in competitive ST matches is common. What actually happens though is that both players are basically trying to open each other up. Throwing your own fireball into your opponent's fireball it will cancel out both of them. Wiht this players will use constant fireballs to pressure opponents into throwing out their own fireballs in the hope of catching mistakes or miscalculated fireballs. Assuming the two players are equally skilled someone would be able to counter fireball "spam" in ST by being able to respond with their own fireballs perfectly. Though as I said, it could vary based on the game. In Third Strike for example fireballs are far less of a problem and fireballs from a distance are easily punished with a simple parry. I something more with more neutral fireballs, stronger then Third Strikes but weaker then ST's, simply blocking and knowing your movement options enough to smartly move around them should be all that you need.

>>5417007
What games? Assuming you mean fighting games you can just download fightcade, it has the emulator built in so once you get the rom you can play it from there.

>>5413751
You don't really seem to understand metagame.
It happens with sports too. Even when rules don't change strategies do.

>>5417098
There are many I'm interested in. Basically everything Street Fighter II, Alpha, and III, the Marvel vs Capcom and Capcom vs SNK series, the King of Fighters series, Fatal Fury games and Darkstalker games.

>>5417098
>>5417146
What I don't get is what files I need, i.e. I've heard a lot about ROMs, CHD files, BIOS and what not. It seems like I'm expected to download lots of things, even 50gbs worth of things if I don't want to have any troubles...

>>5417150
How old are you? Roms are the files for the games. How would you play a game if you don't have the game itself? Go download the script that allows you top still download from emuparadise and just get them from there.

>>5416478
This is all good info >>5417095 also assuming your character doesn't have a special that negates or blocks a fireball, a good beginner's strategy is to just learn to time them and block then advance in the gap, repeating if necessary until you're in footsie range. If they're already spamming it's likely they'll throw out a dragon punch or similar when you get close so instead of attacking wait for that, block and counter.

>>5413548
All time classic, timeless

>>5417206
It has nothing to do with my age. I've been downloading console ROMs and ISOs for quite a while too, same with BIOS. Arcade emulation is a bitch by comparison, the idea that there are files that depend on other files and so people recommend "just download the 50GB romset bro" is mind-boggling.

>>5417275
Alright, I'll spoonfeed you since I'm a nice guy.

First, watch this tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsLDLozdwE8

This is what will allow you to downlaod roms from emuparadise. I currently use this myself and can vouch for it. I'm an idiot with tech and even i was able to do this with ease.

Now that you have roms you want to play them with people and such, this is where fightcade comes in. Now with fightcade you need specific roms for specific games. To tell which version of a rom you need you can look to the left side of fightcade. When you open fightcade you will see this, look to the left of this window. Search for the game you want and it'll give the name of the rom you need, it's say thing like US/PAL/JAP and the id numbers. Once you have the necessary rom you have one final step you may not need to do. Assuming you have winrar installed the rom will downlaod as a zipped file. While this is helpful normally you need unzipped roms for fightcade. To rezip the file simply right click the rom and hover over "Send To". You will see the option for "Folder (Zipped)", simply click this option. This is all assuming you have winrar, I can't imagine you wouldn't but who knows.

Once you have the zipped rom. All you do is drop it in the "ROM" folder of Fightcade and you're set.

>>5417298
Sorry, forgot to attach the image.

>>5417298
>>5417304
Thanks for the help, anon. I was never able to download from Emuparadise in Firefox (still have Greasemonkey and script installed, though), so I gave it a try in Chrome instead and it worked.

Then I went to the specific M.A.M.E. Roms (as I first tried with Capcom Play System 1 & 2 and didn't work) and downloaded a couple just to give them a shot, tried with different RA cores but apparently M.A.M.E. 2016 is the one that works, so finally I can play the games.

Thank you!

>>5417298
>>5417345
It appears I can't get the Emuparadise Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike - Fight for the Future (USA) rom to work, though.

>>5417356
Do you have the right rom? Did you unzip it? Also you need two file for third Strike, I forget why exactly. Here's a link to both files, though you will still need to unzip them.

>>5417402
And fuck.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4ac6v4066tuer66,mg1cyydchfbfx9a/shared

>>5413758
A CPS2 in your house

>>5413557
Found the shoto scrub

>>5417461
Have you even played SF2? Fireballs are the strongest they have ever been in that game.

>>5416641
>SF 3
It sucks

>>5415874
Samsho3 is the GOAT.

>>5413871
What standards? Every modern game is different. At any rate, you made up that definition up in your head.

>>5417902
>you made up that definition up in your head
where else would he make it up

>>5417298
>First, watch this tutorial

>some idiot made a public video about it on YT
wtf is wrong with zoomers?

>>5417402
>>5417403
My mistake, I should have been more clear: I tried to get it to work with RetroArch, and it didn't. But it works just fine with Fightcade. So my follow up question is: is it better to simply use Fightcade? (I can play offline, which is a dealbreaker for me)

On top of that, given I'm not particularly interested in online mode, what are your opinion on the following collections?

Street Fighter Collection 2 (older Street Fighter II games)
Street Fighter Collection (newer Street Fighter II games)
Street Fighter Anniversary Collection (Street Fighter III 3rd Strike)
Street Fighter Alpha Anthology (all Alpha games)
Fatal Fury Battle Archives Volume 1 (older Fatal Fury games)
Fatal Fury Battle Archives Volume 2 (newer Fatal Fury games)
Vampire: Darkstalkers Collection (all Darkstalkers games)

And the many PS1 and PS2 ports of X-MEN, Marvel vs Capcom, Capcom vs SNK and King of Fighters videogames?

I was interested in emulating the Arcade versions directly because I love playing games on my computer instead of my CRT.

>>5413548
OP

>>5418562
Fightcade allows you play offline and online. If you want to play by yourself go i to the the chat and type "/play", this will boot tbe game up by itself.

>>5418562
The PS1 SF collections are garbage, the PS2 collections are great. I don't know about Fatal Fury or Darkstalkers.

>>5413578

It does not fucking matter. YOUR perception of something changes. The game itself does not change. It's digital and as such it does not age.
YOU age. And with each passing day you are getting stupider... quite obviously.

>>5418614
The idea behind the concept of "aging" is "how well does a game stack up against newer titles?".

It's a matter of perspective. Super Mario Bros., at the time, may have been the best game ever made. For the sake of getting the point across, a 10/10. Like when you were a kid and said "OMG these graphics are incredbily realistic!". Same with gameplay: at the time you thought they were the best thing ever; nowadays you play older games and some of them are garbage. But at the time they were the best thing ever.

A game shows its age ("it has aged") or it doesn't, depending on whether it stacks up against newer games or not. But even then this is subjective: the whole "it has aged" only makes objective sense if you have played the game back when it was released, otherwise what you consider "aging" is nothing but disliking design decisions you already disliked back then.

For instance, I could play Legacy of Kain: Defiance now and think "this game has aged poorly", but I already thought it was shit back when it released, unlike Soul Reaver.

>>5418730
>Like when you were a kid and said "OMG these graphics are incredbily realistic!"
lmao top zoomer

>>5418753
Yeah, most definitely. Graphics whoring has always been a thing.

>>5413758
anniversary collection or 3do has the best music

>>5417298
you know you fucked up when you have to watch a youtube tutorial on pirating

>>5418758
who the fuck played smb for the graphics

>>5414286
SF Collection on PS1/Saturn uses arcade sprites so basically it's the same thing. Play it if you're autistic about original sprites, English names, and easier AI all in one.

>>5418778
I never said "Super Mario Bros." especifically when talking about the graphics. I'm thinking of games like Goldeneye and other titles that people thought looked amazing, but nowadays you realize how shit they actually looked.
>>5418780
Interesting, thanks anon!

It's a shame we can't emulate most NAOMI titles, but at least there's my PS2 for that.

>>5418562
The PS2 Darkstalkers Collection is easily the most fully-featured release the series has ever had. All 5 original arcade titles, plus full roster versions of the three Savior-based titles. They even made the full roster version of Hunter 2 into an alternate game of sorts with tweaked mechanics to keep it from being redundant, since originally the only real difference between Savior 2 and Hunter 2 was which characters were missing. All of the games have a large dispwitch menu that lets you individually disable or enable various glitches form the original releases, as well as doing things like enabling mechanics that originally weren't in the games (air chains in the first two games, cancellable chains in games after the first, etc.)

The only drawback is some slight speed and lag issues, but they shouldn't be a problem unless you're a tournament-level player.

>>5418770
I was just trying to provide an easy guide for the anon, typing how to do so would have taken way longer.

>>5413553
How embarrassing

>>5418842
And I really appreciate it, anon. I was encouraged to try the Emuparadise script one more time and it worked, and just now I've realized that RetroArch appears to be very sensitive when it comes to Arcade file names, i.e. it won't load sfIII3u.zip but it will load sfiii3.zip, which is something that simply doesn't happen when it comes to your average SNES ROM.

>>5418851
What's embarrassing about that? I think it's pretty amazing how well it's aged.

>>5418614
If you think that's all it is then you're not getting it.

>>5413553
Woops, I meant to reply to this scrub:
>>5413557

>>5418906
Ohhh yeah that's very embarrassing lol

>>5413548
Anything other than Claw or Dhalsim is just plain wrong.

I don't know wtf were they thinking when they put Mexican MegaTurd, Nigger, and Fatass with a towel.

If you select Ryu, Ken or Sagat I will just use a condom since I will presume you are a faggot that wants to dar o cu.

>>5413758
fuck Super Turbo

New Challengers baby...

can play it on x68000 with amazing MIDI, or play the console ports that let you speed up the game

>>5419176
You sound retarded.

>>5414380
>CCC2
It has input lag.

>>5418562
Avoid PS1 portsé

>>5413751

Anon, sometime a little over a decade ago, someone decided to apply option selects to ST. An option select is when you input two or more moves in rapid succession in a situation and the outcome will change depending on what your opponent inputs. OSes weren't common in the 90s. This development shot O.T.Hawk from D tier to A tier as soon as players learned his looping OS that you can't break out of. As soon as he knocks you down, you have to hope the T.Hawk player messes up or you will lose.

Tiers can change whenever.