/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[2-26] Dimension of the Boomed sequel 'Realm of Z-Magic' teaser demo released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104723-the-realm-of-z-magic-teaser-demo/

[2-24] Chex Quest HD trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDblwrDDGc8

[2-22] Powerslave EX mouse fix for Windows 10
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/1218-powerslave-ex-fix/

[2-16] Bungie's Pathways Into Darkness rebuilt in Aleph One
http://simplici7y.com/items/aleph-one-pathways-into-darkness

[2-21] SM192 released for Quake released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61692

[2-19] Colorful Hell updated to 0.96, introducing a new tier and more
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&start=705#p1092145

[2-18] SIGIL delayed until April
https://rome-ro.squarespace.com/news/2019/2/16/sigil-update

[2-13] NBlood released, an open-source port of Blood modeled off EDuke32
https://twitter.com/nukeykt/status/1095422953334857728

[2-10] Evilternity updated to final release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103425-final-release-eviternity/

[2-9] BTSX E3 screenshots
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557-back-to-saturn-x-episode-3-wip/

[2-9] Quake2XP receives an update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp/downloads/quake2xp-1269-beta2

[2-8] Sunder and Deus Vult II resume development
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/45774-dvii-second-edition-underway-its-time/?do=findComment&comment=1960915
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder/?do=findComment&comment=1961207

[2-8] XLEngine on Github
https://github.com/Mindwerks/XLEngine

[2-8] New DBP project: Mindblood Genesis
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104171-mindblood-genesis-dbp08-released-a-limit-removing-project-from-doomer-boards/

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>>5403773

Please rank them:
>Knee Deep in the Dead
>Shores of Hell
>Inferno
>Thy Flesh Consumed
>Hell on Earth
>TNT Evilution
>Plutonia Experiment
>Master Levels
>No Rest for the Living

>>5403781
>TNT Evilution
>Shores of Hell
>Inferno
>Thy Flesh Consumed
>Plutonia Experiment
>No Rest for the Living
>Knee Deep in the Dead
>Hell on Earth
Powergap...
.
.
.
.
>Master Levels

>>5403781
>>5403790
Follow this
Then fuck off

>>5403781
>Master Levels
>Thy Flesh Consumed
>Plutonia Experiment
>Hell on Earth
>TNT Evilution
>Inferno
>Knee Deep in the Dead
>Shores of Hell

>>5403791
What?

>>5403781(you)

>>5403781
Plutonia Experiment > Knee Deep in the Dead > No Rest for the Living > Thy Flesh Consumed > Inferno = Shores of Hell > TNT Evilution > Hell on Earth > > Master Levels

>>5403807
This

That Refracted Reality wad should hopefully come out today. I like colorful shit so I hope it's as good to play as it is to look at.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101513-refracted-reality-formerly-infinite-void/

>>5403774
see
>>5403839

>>5403839
>all that color

>>5403839
This is so nice

>>5403839
The colors puke the colors
This is most gay thing in history of gay things

>>5403919
u must love it then haha

>>5403781
Plutonia (Milo's half) > Inferno > Knee Deep in the Dead > Hell on Earth (Sandy's half) > Shores of Hell > No Rest for the Living > Plutonia (Dario's half) > Hell on Earth (everything non-Sandy)

Do you agree with that the majority of people judge Quake and what a Quake level should look and play like, by its first, shareware, episode?

Did Romero's level pack come out yet?

>>5403971
Yes, it came out as trans

>>5403921
what are you gay

>>5403930
What's the difference between Dario's and Milo's maps? I thought they are pretty similar.

NRFTL designers also made similar styled levels.

>>5404034
Milo's maps reward you for being smart, careful and precise, Dario's - don't, they are basically slaughtershit precursors.

>>5403773
What are your recommendations for good MIDI soundfonts?
I already tried the following:
>choirumreva
>FluidR3
>SC-55
>Patch93's SC-55
>GMLive
>FatBoy
>Timbres of Heaven
>Weeds
So far, my favourite ones are the SC-55 one and FatBoy.
Any other good MIDI soundfonts?

>>5404064
I have my own version of WeedsGS4 mixed with SC-55 and some others. Can upload when I get home from work.

>>5404046
>they are basically slaughtershit precursors.
Yeah, no.

>>5404109
You know what. Just give Plutonia's demo reel another look. There are three demos. Two of them are about a person, playing in almost perfectly controlled manner in neat and complex looking maps, another one (with all the cacodemons) is about dude running all over the not particularly well laid out and textured place, tanking shit, missing left and right and generally being all over the place.
Milo's maps can be played like chess, extremely slowly (Milo himself doesn't play slowly, but, then again, he knows his levels by heart, so it makes sense he proceeds at a brisk pace), unless when in specific conditions where you just HAVE to run. You make a move - level makes a move. Level makes a move - you make a move. There is logic to it, there is visible room for improvement, it is always clear when your solution just doesn't click perfectly, and there is always such a solution, that DOES click perfectly, if you actually start giving a fuck, pay attention to your current locales, think about the whole situation, and maybe experiment a bit.

Playing Milo's maps is 80% cerebral activity, not reflexes.

And yes, I am talking specifically about playing from pistolstart, on ultraviolence, with auto-aim off, and on vanilla-compatible sourceport (in order to preserve the auto-aim-cutoff distances, that are factored in Milo's levels EVERYWHERE).

>>5403839
Fuck. I'm also into colourful wads, but I don't want to deal with the disaster that is modern GZDoom. Goddammit.

>>5404146
>with auto-aim off
you mean on?

>>5404146
Oh God, I am a retard.

>with VERTICAL MOUSELOOK off
fix

>>5404170
Yup. Sorry.

>>5404152
why do you think it'll affect you when the wad was made with the latest build in mind, instead of older builds.

>>5403971
I would a Baron no problem

>>5404064
Touhou soundfont

There's something really satisfying about hearing ZUNpets while deep into dooming.

>>5404152
It's slaughter shit so you're not missing out on anything good.

>>5404064
OmegaGMGS2

>>5404248
Oh. Then I'm not interested anymore.

>>5404146
You do realise only one of the demos in the reel was a Milo map, right?

>>5403934
Eh, not really. E1 is good and all but it's missing major enemies like Vores and Death Knights, and is a more by-the-numbers idbase and castle crawler without showing off some of the weird stuff possible with the engine that the other mappers showed off.

>>5403934
I always felt the second episode was better.

>>5404146
>with auto-aim off
What? The original game is *built* for you to use vertical auto-aim, due to the lack of vertical aiming, Plutonia still sticks to those rules, and expects you to play as such.

If you're playing without auto-aim, either you need to be playing with a port that gives you actual mouse freelook to compensate for that, or you're unable to deal with vertical height, and you're literally playing the game completely wrong, and that's why you're not having a good time.

>>5404279
It's almost like he's a fucking idiot who's talking out of his ass.

>>5404046
>Dario's - don't, they are basically slaughtershit precursors.
The thing I find most hilarious about this claim, is that it was Milo who made Go 2 It, and Memento Mori's Showdown, which are probably the most slaughtery maps of the two brothers.

>>5404297
To be fair, Dario did make Punisher, which was what Go 2 It was based on,

>>5404279
Okay, yes, you have a point. Demo1 was Dario's level (17), I didn't spot it, because I skipped it, idcleving into Milo's maps, and my current save is in the beginning of level21. So, I've seen the majority of Milo's levels to have a certain idea of what I'm talking about in regard to how they tend to play out, but I didn't complete all of his Plutonia maps so far. Also, on a sidenote, player from Demo3 (12, Milo's level) is not all that good, or maybe he just gives that impression due to higher mouse sensitivity.

I have a suspicion there could've been a switch, Milo playing two Dario's levels, Dario playing one Milo's levels, which might explain at least some of my misfires, but, of course, there is no proof, so I won't stick to that.

Anyway, not only I still have Milo's part of Plutonia to finish, I have plans to revisit them, along with his earlier maps, as well, so, well, that wasn't my final word on the matter, and I do hope to set things right, so to speak, eventually.

>>5404293
And like you read only those things you want to read, omitting those that clash with your narrative. I mistyped, I corrected, to some extent, my mistake, twice, >>5404172>>5404173.
Here is the third correction, just because I can:
>with manual vertical AIMING off

>>5404347
Also, I've seen some of the maps from Dario's Prodigy ep for Quake, and I don't think he learned all that much from his mapping for Plutonia or rubbing off his brother. So I don't really have any intention to delve into his Plutonia mappings anyway, I don't like to do what I currently consider to be wasting my time.

>>5404306
Not to mention, that several of his Plutonia's maps are very much of remixes of already existing maps by different mappers. Remakes of Inmost Dens and Circle of Death - from a top of my head, probably quite a bit more I didn't spot the first time around or have forgotten about since. I see nothing strange in some of his maps being remixes on what his brother has done.
Anyway, whatever.

>>5404248
>boohoo it's too hard
How do you even enjoy most doom maps? Amazing wads like Sunlust are bad according to you because you're a bitch?

>>5404237
>249 MB
Well damn, didn't expect it to be so heavy.

>>5404383
bad mood today, huh?

https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1101305501575311360

finally got done with minidoom 2 today

i think I've gone numb from this gay shit. i'm booting up ancient aliens to forget and freshen up my memories of what a proper doom game should play like.

/blog,.w/e fuck

>>5404383
It's tedious to run in a circle and shoot rockets at a clump of monsters until there's nothing left. It also seems like what a child would think is cool. "Woah what if there were like 1,000 monsters and you kill them all like big movie hero!"

>>5404462
>It's tedious to run in a circle and shoot rockets at a clump of monsters until there's nothing left
Woah I guess all of Doom is tedious since you can always circlestrafe enemies. Dumbass. Yeah because every single level is the same right?

For fuck's sake dude the demo map in the link has EIGHTY FOUR ENEMIES. You didn't even look at it did you?

>>5404415
frig off dave, i'm not gonna fucking buy dusk, i didn't buy ROTT, i'm not buying anything your mitts touch

>>5404495
More spawn later but it's still easy actually with low monster rates per room. Any Plutonia map is easier.

>>5404415
Quake 2 was good.

>>5404515
shut the fuck up, boomer

>>5404515
Unreal 2 was good

>>5404495
I like how you took offense to every single doom map in existence somehow. please try to keep your anger under limits.

>>5404516
Kill yourself average Gen Z fuckwit.

>>5404515
Quake 2 was a mistake
The only thing worth salvaging from that mess was the hook from the multiplayer

>>5403781
1 Plutonia
2 Hell on Earth
3 NRFTL
4 KDITD
5 SoH
6 Inferno
7 Thy Flesh Consumed
now for the ones I hate
99 TNT
100 Master Levels

>>5404495
How triggered can one man be?

>>5404495
Get off this board, faggot.

>>5404146
Based. Plutonia was made for Doom veterans, but newcomers/eternal noobs still for some reason enjoy taking a shit on it rather than actually acknowledging they're not on the required skill level to properly play it yet.

>>5404568
Quake 2 was a good game that was fun.

So I decided to noclip through ad_sepulcher and explore.

My god. I knew it was huge, but looking at it like this just puts it in a whole nother context.

>>5404614
Zooming in to the bottom right (near the beginning spawn of the map)

>>5404617
>>5404614
Looking at the cross-section for the z-perpsective

My mind is just blown, this is incredibly huge and detailed.

>>5404568
I gotta say I enjoy q1 single player more than all the others and the only multiplayers I have played is live and champions

Anyone know if I can find somewhere a pack of wads anywhere? No, I already downloaded torrent from OP-post. What I need is literally just an archive full of .wad files - something with hundreds of files, or even thousands, all in root folder.

>>5403781
>Knee Deep in the Dead
>Doom 64 (Can I include that?)
> Hell on Earth
>Plutonia Experiment
>Master Levels
>No Rest for the Living
>Thy Flesh Consumed
>Shores of Hell
>Inferno
>TNT Evilution

Yea I'm a Master Levels fanboy, sue me. As an episode its a hundred times better than TNT. indb4 100x 0

>>5404632
download the whole idgames archive then

>>5404614
yeah, it's big
possibly self-masturbatory big, but definitely big

>>5403781
My love for the first TNT maps is much bigger than my hate for the last ones.

>TNT
>Knee-Deep in the Dead
>Plutonia
>Hell on Earth
>Thy Flesh Consumed
>Inferno
>Shores of Hell
>Master Levels

Still need to try all of NRFTL but I think it was nice.
Not sure where to place Doom 64. Probably somewhere in the middle.

>>5404728
>My love for the first TNT maps is much bigger than my hate for the last ones
This. It's like 65% really good.

>>5404731
>>5404728
What are the TNT maps to avoid/skip past?

>>5404760
none of them

>>5404760
Once you hit habitat the quality dips a LOT. Play them all on your first go though.

>>5404146
> and maybe experiment a bit.
> The Plutonia Experiment
Nice.

> the auto-aim-cutoff distances
I think GZDoom DOES do that... Not sure though.

>>5404765
>I think GZDoom DOES do that
It does
t. made that reactive crosshair mod a while back

>>5404760
>first 20ish maps are pretty damn good
>after this point quality starts to vary
>most maps here are ok, but all the substandard or bad maps are grouped around here
>you've mostly passed TNT's high points by now
Baron's Den and Habitat are the ones which are genuinely fucking shitty, the former is really halfbaked and hides the red key in a crude manner, which is really easy to miss and frustrating, and Habitat is not just hideous to look at, but plays really weakly (the author of this map made only one other, Map 01 for Icarus, which oddly, is pretty decent).

Mount Pain is one which is very mixed. It's needlessly large, and it has some areas which are nothing short of "Oh god, why did you do this?", but there's enough parts which are decent that I can't look at that level and call it outright awful, but there's enough rough parts that I can't look at it as a whole and say "that's pretty good".

Last Call is kind of a weak final boss map. Most Bossbrain levels, including the original in Doom 2, aren't particularly strong, and I'd say it about compares; not great, but also not so bad that you would want to just stop playing (it's short enough anyway).

>>5404779
Can you link your mod? I'd like to try it.

>>5404795
https://my.mixtape.moe/sfudzw.zip
Feel free to rip it apart or link it to whoever. Also you can hack in custom crosshairs if you use the same naming convention I did for the crosshair sprites but change the index, then manually set the CVAR to the number corresponding to that index (0=A, 1=B, 2=C, 3=D and so on).

>>5404805
Wait, what the fuck. My browser is saying the zip has malware in it. Lemme just double triple check that.

>>5404805
>>5404810
Okay it's definitely NOT malware but firefox is retarded or something. I dunno dood.

>>5404789
This. Though I'd argue TNT has inconsistent quality throughout, not just after map 20.

>>5404764
I'd agree with this though.
Habitat can be beaten pretty quick if you know how, so you don't need to suffer the map much if you know what to do, and if you know where the red key is in Baron's Den, the map will otherwise progress pretty normally.

>>5404779
Thanks Babel bro, I love your reactive crosshair mod, I'm the one who asked for it back then

Hmmm... Are Doom maps art? Or merely entertainment? Are some Doom maps art and others not? If so, what is the distinction?

>>5404823
No problem man, I like making little minimods and it was a fun challenge.

>>5404815
I don't feel the same, I the first two thirds are mostly really good to me. What do you dislike among those parts?

Blade of Agony is shite.

>>5404805
Man, I'm a brainlet. I don't know the first thing about editing. I'll screenshot that in case I want to try though. I like the crosshair number 17 in Project Brutality. Dot for the blind is what it's called.

>>5404824
of course doom maps are art. being art is not a huge achievement you know

>>5404845
You can approximate that by changing the shape to "dot" then upping the scale. If 2.0 is too small for you change rc_scale to whatever you want in the console. This crosshair is an actual game object and will be larger up close or smaller further away, so you may have to tweak it a bit.

I have not played unreal 2, but I did play like an hour of unreal 1. what was so wrong about 2? from what I have heard it was an absolute shit show

>>5404856
for one you had to put "setspeed 3" into the console just to move faster than molasses

>>5404856
Civvie got you covered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg2LdLfGfqQ&user=Civvie%2011

>>5404861
just finished it
holy hell

>>5404828
Metal and Deepest Reaches are pretty weak levels IMO but yeah, come to think of it, it most certainly isn't as bad as the last third.

>>5405001
Metal is pretty weak actually, that's true (the music is tops though), but I think Deepest Reaches isn't bad, kind of feels a bit like Spirit World in a few places, just maybe slightly long winded.

>>5404824
example of bad doom art

>>5405006
Yeah but I think it just is way too long for it's own good. It's just boring, but it's certainly no barons den I'll give it that

>>5404824
They require a creative process, so I'd say it's art.

>>5404824
Yes.
It's a complex art in fact, given that a level for a game has two qualities; looking good, and playing good.
A map can look poor, but still be good if it plays well, but if a map doesn't play well, it matters really quite little, even if the visuals are breathtaking.

A *really* good map would both look and play good, and would require both artistic talent and a good understanding of how the game plays. This applies for any game's level design, Doom or not.

>>5404501
dusk and rott were good

also whats this meme about dave about anyway? I do remember he kinda virtue signaled about nazis or w/e but thats about it

>>5405092
Dave smokes a lot of crack and markets real hard where he doesn't belong. He's like the human embodiment of the feeling of being way too hyped, and it annoys a lot of people for good reason. Also not retro.

>>5405092
I haven't played ROTT but from what I've seen they made all the characters act like uncharismatic Duke Nukem clones, spouting shitty one-liners. Which is not what the original game was like at all.

>>5405105
ROTT is retro though.
Very underrated game, haven't tried the remake yet.

>>5405115
I meant I haven't played the remake, I played the original game (plus the shareware episode).

>>5405115
They didn't really bother with one-liners no, probably because they were concerned with disk space at the time, considering they were planning to have complimenting female sets of enemies for all the male ones, but cut them for space.

If disk space wasn't an issue, that might have been something they would have done, because it could easily fit the style of the game.

>>5405147
You're wandering around in the realm of conjecture. One-liners weren't in the original game and the characters didn't have any personality, not even in the manual. The humor came from the silly scenarios arising from the GADS and crazy explosive weaponry.

>>5405156
They kinda had some silly lines in the end sequence though.

Has anybody else here played Demonfear? I just finished it and it's pretty fuckin good, though I'd like some level name and music replacements. Check that shit out if you like small hectic levels.

Guncaster > Brutal Doom

>>5405238
Most gameplay mods are better to play than brutal doom. And I'm not brutal doom hater either

Tamanian Asagi doom when?

How long until EDGE replaces GZDoom?

>>5405117
when the FUCK is that updated ECWolf gonna have ROTT support

>>5405248
Just ask the LaTailor guy to add it as an outfit.

>>5405250
Good question, I think I would like that much better than WinRottGL.

>>5405253
>LaTailor guy
Fuck him.

>>5405263
Are you the guy who didn't understand how coding and mods work?

>>5405268
An ideas guy?

>>5405248

i dont think i wanna add another hentai reference in there

>>5405330

>>5405253

Was meant to quote this whoops

>>5405330
I didn't ask.

>>5405330
What other explicit H-references are there

How demanding is deep dream doom? It looks so trippy to play.

>>5405250
After it gets Blake Stone Support, corridor 7 support, operation bodycount support, etc.

>>5405249

>>5405501
I thought it already had Blake Stone support.

>>5405502
Hi Graf!

do not engage

>>5405520
do not agitate

>>5405530
Holy shit I remember requesting that draw YEARS ago, it was based off of Wonder from that Disney show Wander over Yander doing that exact pose.

i still miss it

>>5405547
Huh, I'm pretty sure I got that image from that exact thread too..

>>5405593
We're kindred anons, you and I.

>>5405512
Then it only needs ROTT support to be perfect.

>Doom is coming to video game

ruorghh
>blubber

>>5405248
I want to save Asagi.

>>5405250
It doesn’t even support Wolfenstein 3D Mac Levels right? I know Spear of Destiny expansions aren’t good but it doesn’t have that either last I heard. Crazy how THE Wolfenstein sourceport still lacks so much. What’s going on with ECWolf?

>>5405718
What does he say before he fires?

>>5404517
Pretty shit desu m8

>>5404517
i just played through it
it's not

>>5405230
I still await the day when Jimmy does a Demonfear midi project.
IIRC, the author of demonfear plays doom without music.

>>5405814
Maybe not much at all. When's the last dev build?

>>5405856
gotcha!

>>5405875
i'd be mad if i remembered goddamn *anything* about what i just played

>>5404760
Outside of map08, the first 20 maps range from decent-good. The final 10 maps are very hit or miss. I do enjoy maps 23, 24 (even if it's really short), 26 and 28.

>>5404415
https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1101720580850679809
What a faggot

>>5405958
>jojofag
That's a massive red flag.

>>5405961
>>>/a/

>>5405958
>>5405961
>How dare he like [popular thing]

>>5405958
how super cool and relevant to /vr/

>>5406028
Stop this and kys

>>5405958
>>>5404415
>https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1101720580850679809
>What a faggot
what a faggot

>>5406029
You first.

>>5406031
JoJo is for trannys

>>5406034
>twannies twannies twannies baww everything i don't lahk is twannies!

you seriously have to go back

>>5406029

>>5405330
Make FPS references then.
Like Duke, Ranger and Caleb cosplay outfits.

>>5406092
Do Female FPS character outfits, like Prisoner 849, Hunter or Lucy.

I just tried Doomsday for the first time and am confused. Yea the UI is fancy and some of the added effects look nice but does it really have any use anymore? It seems other sourceports give much more options for everything, so is Doomsday just obsolete at this point?

>>5405347
LA Blue Girl?

>>5403773
Why

>>5406124

>>5406117
Yeah, it's a pile of shit. Don't bother.

>>5406124

Happy first Screenshot Saturday of March everybloody!
Show us what you're all working on

>>5405846
I always heard "concubine" but for the life of me I don't know why the hell he'd ever say that; can't be it

>>5406145
Soon...
I know I said that the last time I showed this, but this time, maybe I'll mean it.
Can't decide on a muzzleflash.

>>5406145
My first (and to date last) attempt at making a Doom map, started all the way back in 2015. One day I will finish it...

>>5406151
I guess just make a muzzleflash using the bfgball impact sprites

>>5406151
looking at the grips and trigger for size reference, thing seems rather small for a bfg
actually rather small in general

>>5406156
Looks good, esp. for the first attempt.

>>5406158
Now that you say that, you're right, but that works for me, because it makes it a *tiny* bit more plausible that you could carry that thing along with all the other shit. It's very wide compared to all the other weapons.
The only other gun close to as large would be the grenade launcher, and it still doesn't come close, except maybe in the width of the cylinder assembly.

Also I worked out an attachable/detachable silencer (don't remember if I posted it), which in hindsight, I realize that what I learned writing that code, could be applied to making the 'single uzi, and two uzis as separate weapons', as just one weapon with an alt-fire mode for dual-wielding, so that'll go faster when I get to that.

>>5406156
Oh hey, I recognise this. You weren't sure what to do with the open area.

>>5406157
Thought about that, but the impact would probably be too many frames, it'd be awkward making it work.

>>5406149
he wants to fuck doomguy, he's a -cubuss after all

Are there any good ORNATE huds out there?
I mean not just an ornate versions of original one, but that change layout (preferably sticking to the sides)

>>5406198
There are a handful of visor HUDs out there if you're interested in those. You say ornate so the visor ones would have the most detail. UDV has three visor skins to choose from and is the the most fully featured one that also adds optional energy system for flashlight, emergency heal, and night vision goggles. Cat's Visor and the Doomnukem/Wildweasel visor are more basic. Otherwise there's the HXRTC HUD or NCHUD. HXRTC HUD has a little more to its visual design than the NCHUD does.

>>5406209
No, not vizors
Something akin to old RPG huds that incorporated the aesthetics of the game into it by adding extra bits and pieces like figures holding the gauges, wood+cog animated backdrops etc.

I'd draw a succubus-hud that has sexy ladies holding the gauges for HP, Armor and ammp, but I can't draw for the life of me.

>>5406145
I'm having trouble making holding a knife and a pistol work, gameplay-wise. The pistol has an inaccurate, close range rapid-fire attack that lets you keep a safer distance, and does more dps. Not much point in using the knife then.
Is there any other mod that does something like this? I know Demonsteele's Hae-Lin does this, but her sword is lightning fast!
Knife does 20 damage and is a starting weapon, pistol does about 16 and is shotgun tier. (also please ignore the backwards hand)

>>5406216
Increase knife's DPS to be ~30% higher than pistol. Either by improving swing rate, power or both.

>>5406216
The pistol isn't infinite is it? If the pistol uses ammo of some kind then players can slash out with the knife when they want to conserve ammo, make it swing faster or do more damage is a good idea too.

>>5406214
I get you, sorry buddy I don't know anything like that. I know Heart of Demons Baron has a Diablo style HUD with the liquid orbs at the sides for health and mana, though that is a big departure from vanilla gameplay.

>>5406216
why does his right hand turn into a left hand

>>5405846
I've always thought it was something like "mancu-mancu", as if it was a pokemon.

Why does Doom 64 feel like a shitty Quake?

>>5406216
You look like you could use a hand.

>>5406228
now, that's a handy spritesheet!

>>5406218
I don't want to change the knife's damage as it's really good by itself, maybe I just need to make it behave more smoothly with the pistol, I've got both the rapid pistol attack and the knife attack on altfire, which is kinda clunky at the moment..
>>5406219
The knife's on its own slot as well (and a lot easier to use by itself because it's not sharing an attack button with another weapon), I'm not sure if players would find use in it being coupled with the pistol or not, that's what I'm trying to figure out
>>5406228
It is really hard to find a hand that fits, I think I might have to end up frankenspriting two hands together if I want to fix it. Thanks though!

>>5405248
the live action version was disappointing, so it's already got that in common with doom

Sup. I'm completely new to playing old shooters and have been dealing with setting up Ultimate Doom from GOG and can't find a way to disable mouse movement. There's no options in game and no options in the DOSBox settings. Can anyone help?

>>5406243
Use Crispy, PRBoom or GZDoom. They have options to disable that.

>>5406243
Open up your mouse, remove the ball and take out the vertical roller, then put the ball back. That's how I did it back in the day.

>>5406245
And everything else is unchanged if you play Doom this way? I want the vanilla experience the first time I play it - no vertical mouse aim, HD textures, increased resolutions etc.

>>5406243
Crispy Doom would be a quick and easy way to go, with just a few minor quality of life improvements (which you can toggle).

>>5406223
he's ambidextrous

>>5406256
That's uh, that's not wh...
Yeah ok.

>>5406251
You can turn all of that off in the options. Chocolate Doom sourceport might be the way to go for you.

>>5406251
That's Chocolate Doom/Heretic/Hexen - it's completely true to vanilla.

Crispy Doom/Heretic/Hexen is same, but double the resolution - like Doom95 port.

PRBoom+ is vanilla gameplay, but removed limitations that allows larger custom maps to be loaded, and some additional functions for mappers. You can filter out textures and use mouselook in this, but you can also disable those if you want. Boom-compatibility in a wad description means you need this port or GZDoom/3DGE/Eternity.

Doom Legacy (now RemooD) - first to develop proper GL support, has splitscreen (ReMooD up to 4 players) and Boom-compatibility.

GZDoom is for gameplay and visual mods.

3DGE and Eternity have long since been superseded by GZDoom in every way.

Doomsday is limited to vanilla compatibility (so no big maps) and is purely for eyecandy (many consider ugly)

>>5406264
Thanks. After I finish Doom, I intend to play Heretic, Hexen and Blood. What versions should I get for them?

>>5406267
For vanilla experience - Chocloate, Chocolate, GDX (not as accurate visually as NBlood, but more accurate mechanically).

>>5406270
So what exactly is up with Blood? Is vanilla unplayable? And I've come across the NBlood GDX debate before - what is different visually and mechanically?

>>5406274
Vanilla is not very playable on DOSBox, the mouse aiming is not pleasant even with a fix since game reads either vertical or horizontal movement at a time, but not all at once, and have different sensetivities for both which results in some whacky aiming.
Also it constantly bounces between either too low FPS in complex scenes, or too high FPS any time it exceedes 120 which is game physics tic rate the physics become slightly out of synch with visuals. Stay above 120 for too long and it results in shit like vidrelated. Also some things are tied to framerate like Choking Hand Damage and push off rate. At certain FPS it instakills you and you cant take it off since you cant mash space fast enough.

NBlood is visually more accurate than GDX, but its mechanics are approximate and cause desynch with demos.
GDX uses Polymost so lighting looks a bit different from vanilla, but mechanically it is 100% like original since those are reverse-engineered from alpha code and EXE.

>>5406274
Also Vanilla has that difficulty glitch, where it reverses when you load (so if you start the game on easiest difficulty, then save and reload, you owuld be suddenly playing on the hardest one). This is fixed in BloodGDX

>>5406290
>>5406295
Thank you very much.

>>5406265
>3DGE and Eternity have long since been superseded by GZDoom in every way.
>Eternity
>long since been superseded by GZDoom in every way.
Only in Graf's head.

>>5406301
Alright, tell me in what way Eternity is better than GZDoom?

>>5406290
>Vanilla is not very playable on DOSBox, the mouse aiming is not pleasant even with a fix since game reads either vertical or horizontal movement at a time, but not all at once, and have different sensetivities for both which results in some whacky aiming.
Why do people insist on using mouse aiming in Build games? They work pretty well with autoaim.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't FPS desync problem supposed to be easily solvable by limiting cycles or something?

>>5406145
babbys first doom map. i'm just about done with it and i'm pretty happy with how it turned out

>>5406309
>Why do people insist on using mouse aiming in Build games
In Blood - tossing dynamite accurately, not blowing youself up with Napalm and using Tesla's altfire

>isn't FPS desync problem supposed to be easily solvable by limiting cycles or something
Not really. Cycles are not FPS, as DOSBox has no way of limiting that one for my knowledge.
If you limit your cycles so it does not go overboard in simple scenarios, then it will absolutely tank the complex ones

>>5406295
>Vanilla has a difficulty glitch
Where did you hear that? And how often does it happen?

>>5406335
It's a well known glitch. Happens every time you save->load

>>5406335
In this very thread, and in Civvies video.

> how often does it happen
Every time I guess?

>>5406295
Doesn't vanilla blood have some other glitches too, like ducking not working against hitscanners properly when it's supposed to which makes the cultists with their instant reaction times insanely overpowered, and the choking hands are tied to framerate/processor and fist your ass with no survivors even with limited dosbox cycles.

>>5406338
>>5406341
Lets hope that the next update to Chocolate Duke and DOSBOX fix that

>>5406145
Been improving the Titlemap, still needs alot of work, but this will be likely the last footage before the debut release:
https://youtu.be/jWCFu5HkKJQ

>>5403839
this looks like one of those wads that look amazing but play like shit

>>5406302
Not him, but Eternity is not at all trying to compete with GZDoom.

I personally use Eternity, because it feels more vanilla/boom in behavior, and has more features than PrBoom+. Only things PrBoom+ really has over it, is GL renderer, and complevels (which apparently Eternity is looking to implement).

Why do I seem to be able to move directly under flying units in Chocolate Heretic - and if that is indeed the case, is there any way I could revert it back to enemies blocking your movement regardless of height difference?

>>5406390
that was always the case in heretic.

>>5406390
Also, goddamn, E1M4 and E1M5 are dogshit from wandstart. Here are some buildings slapped together and made somewhat realistic looking, bro. Hope you enjoy combat completely randomly put together, ridiculous ammo shortage and finding weapons in completely random places.

E1M2 was fucking based though.

>>5406390
Heretic added flight to the player, and fixed the infinite tall actors - you can move under and over enemies in both Heretic and Hexen.
Hexen even used that to create some fake bridges out of floating objects.

>>5406390
heretic isn't doom.

>>5406393
Whut. Really?

>>5406274
I play Blood in DOSBox. I don't have any problem with it personally.

>>5405958
>not liking jojo this much

>>5406145
trying to make custom monster ai and movement behaviour
operative word trying
also player movement physics

>>5405263
same

For me, it's Blood.

>>5406670
Disgusting.

A random thought of the day.
There is Blood.
We have Gore.
Is there a FPS named Tits?
So, then we can have a full Blood, Gore and Tits package.
I shouldn't drink so much.

>>5406690
No, but I'm pretty sure that Redneck Rampage has Alien Boobs as a weapon!

>>5403781
>Thy Flesh Consumed
>TNT Evilution
>Master Levels

These are not episodes, just wankery map collections from multiple authors.

>>5404584
If you replace 2 with 4, this list will be spot on. Wonder where Sigil ends up in this list.

>>5404363
The only poorly crafted maps by Dario are Map02 and Map11. The rest were pretty high standard.

Milo was more a prone for remaking classic maps, like Map21, which was a disaster of a level.

>Still no Doom Eternal news
What is id up to now?
At least Sigil may come out first.

BUT WHAT WAS THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!?

>>5406716
Having multiple authors doesn't mean they arent episodes

Can someone reupload the Doom Game Engine Black Book? The sendspace link doesn't work anymore, or at least the download servers are down.

>>5406780
I think id is waiting for E3 or something, Their marketing guy must be updating the doom twitter mostly, which is fine. I just think Slayers Club outta have maybe a monthly newsletter with their favorite fanart and 1 new Eternal screenshot each. They bit off more than they can chew with that whole thing, I understand they get nervous showing new material to the public especially when alot isnt necessarily finished.

>>5406825
What announcement? Is this about the movie or something?

>>5406145
For my Hexen 2 hub I've implemented a trap that shoots a projectile that morphs players into sheep, and a barrier that only sheep can pass through. The puzzle possibility is obvious.
Haven't made the actual map for it yet, just posting this comical scene.

booby

>>5406906
She must've picked up the Quad Booby powerup.

>>5406906
OHH YESSSH HMM MMM

>>5406906
Those boobs are unreal!

>>5406809

>>5406716

>>5406145
Finally got this in, still need to do this for Doomslayer and Kustam though.

>>>/wsg/2718439

>>5407008
that's pretty bananas

>>5407008
Blazky Kong.

Played Secretdoom Disrepair.
Was already for someone's first mapset, being a quick GZDoom 9 maps set with custom enemies.
Also has some survival mode.

>>5407028
>already
Alright*

>>>/wsg/2718439
>>5407008
>whoop
>woou

>>5406773
>Map 11
>bad
It's probably the best gimmick map of all the iwads.

I have an unusual request you are, of course, free either to regard, to disregard or to tell me to stuff it into whatever.

I am playing Heretic. I have taken a note about certain levels that seem to me to be made by the same person. Those levels are E1M2, E1M6, E2M3, E2M7, E3M7 and E3M9. The list is not exhaustive, there could be other levels alike these in this game's original campaign.

What I ask of you is to try wandstarting those levels, warping into them on penultimate difficulty (engageXY warps you to level EXMY, for example, engage12 warps you to E1M2), to play them slowly and attentively whenever possible, to make mental notes about anything sticking out for you, however small, to carefully assess every level of those you decide to tackle independently. And to try to determine for yourself, whether or not it seems to YOU, that they were, indeed, by and large, made by the same person - and whatever your version is, why exactly you happen to think that is the case.

Also, I would say, E1M2, E1M6 and E2M7 are more puzzle-heavy, while E2M3, E3M7 and E3M9 are more combat heavy. And, in case you don't happen to think those "puzzle" and "combat" subsets were made by the same people, the question still stands in regard to whether you happen to think that the "puzzle" subset (E1M2, E1M6, E2M7) was, in your opinion, made by the same mapper - and whether you happen to think that the "combat" subset (E2M3, E3M7, E3M9) was made by the same mapper (even if different from the first one).

>>5407069
Why?

>>5406906
imagine

>>5407069
wow. ESL much?

>>5407217
Oh no. There are a lot of levels in Heretic that play out MUCH worse from wandstart than any of those I mentioned. The "puzzle" levels (of those I mentioned) in particular DO, however, require you to pay very close attention to the environments. Also, for "combat" levels, infighting and skipping certain monsters until much later (if at all) are absolutely the things.

Also, I'll use this opportunity to add E4M3 from Shadow of Serpent Riders into the "puzzle" subset.

Pistol start or continuous?

one thing is blocking archvile's fire attack with walls and shit, but is it possible to make it where you can use enemies as shields for it?

>>5407069

I'm trying to port Chocolate Duke 3D to 64 bit Linux. I've fixed the immediate crashes, but I still have a lot to do.

>>5407069
bless your autism for noticing this
but what's the point of this post?

>>5407393
>rockets
>3

>>5406584
What's the obsession with c kid

>>5407401
he's cool

>>5407393
Evil-Eye Chan is so moe.

>>5407401
I figure the guy just likes his shotas.

>>5407297
Continues

>>5407401
C Kid is feeble. Daina is the best

>>5407428
>Daina is the best
Who

>>5407428
but c kid's got a hundred dollar bills y'all

>>5407432

>>5407401
Is it just one dude, or is it multiple anons?

>>5407456
what mod is c kid from anyway

>>5407453
Tell them I hate them.

>>5407453
just seen a big ol ass

>>5407465
Doom Radys

>>5407456
One obsessive anon.

>>5407401
we live in a society where Unreal quad boobs gets deleted and shotacons post c kid daily

>>5407401
>What's the obsession with c kid
Kinda what >>5407405 says and that he's somehow Doom related

damn shotacons

>>5407523

>>5407404
>shota
>no big booty
fraud

>>5407297
Continuous. I'll gladly restart the level with the pistol if I die though.

>>5407297
Usually I play continuous, and if I like the wad enough to replay it I'll do pistol start for added challenge.

>>5407401
We got shotacons here.

Where could one find a good fire sprite or texture? Like just regular freestanding fire, not a torch or a hellish firewall or anything.

>>5407297
pistol starts; that way I don't have to worry about what bringing in tons of ammo and 200 hp/200 armor does to the map balance

>>5403773
I hope DOOM eternal has upgrade-able weapons like SS2 and Quake 4 did.

>>5407558
Your face when upgradable BFG

>>5403839
Love the use of DOOM 2016 sigils. Works really well.

>>5406906
Powerful...

>>5407558
I hope Doom Eternal has upgrade stations like in SS2 and Bioshock where once fully activated, you can use them to choose up to 2 upgrades for each of your weapons. Also instant chargers that can only be found in some levels that when used give high amounts of recharge to energy weapons as well as maybe also compatible armor.

How do I play Blood Heretic etc. on modern PC with sound?

I tried years ago and all sound was gone

Post your FPS weapon ideas

>icicle shotgun that freezes enemies when it kills them, then you punch the enemy to shatter them into a bigger super-version of the shotgun blast

>>5407647
>post copied from a post from a long-since archived thread

>>5407297
I pistol start whenever a level begins with me in a jail cell or anything similar, to pretend I've been captured and stripped of my old gear.

>>5407528
Are her eyes crossed? What?

>>5407549
Duke Nukem 3D has a few.

>>5407675
The only way to get sound is to connect a midi interface. SC-55 is ideal but it's easier to find an SC-88 which is also good for PSX emulation

>>5407736

so you play doom with no sound?

>>5406716
>just wankery map collections from multiple authors.
Oh it's this asshole again.

>>5406773
Map02 isn't even that bad, IMO. Just kinda on the easy side by Plutonia's standards.
Map11 is a neat concept, but at the end of the day, it is a literal maze. I prefer what Plutonia 2 did with the concept.

>>5407752
Personally I use a Roland SC-88

>>5406716
>just wankery map collections from multiple authors
Just like Doom and Doom 2, huh.

>>5404347
>I didn't spot it, because I skipped it
So you hate on Dario's maps, despite never actually playing them? Are you fucking kidding me?

>>5407698
reckon it wouldn't be too hard to make the mage ice power that's in hexen perform that way

>>5407764
Map11 is a good example of a particular gimmick.
Plutonia 2's take is better, but obviously it has the benefit of being inspired by the original, as well as having many years of hindsight on mapping in general, all on top of being made with more complexity and detail, given the better hardware people had at the time (and certainly these days).

None of that diminishes that Map11 was a pretty fresh idea at the time, and a pretty good map, particularly for the kind of mapset Plutonia is.
I'd really like the see the idea of an Arch-Vile inhabited labyrinth revisited for Doom 5, because I figure there's a lot of neat things you can do to the concept with modern graphics and physics.

>>5407675
>>5407736

Or you can use software MIDI like Fluidsynth or Virtual Sound Canvas

>>5407675
BloodGDX, GZDoom

So, what should we expect from the Blood remaster? Is the company doing it known for good and true-to-the-original remasters?

Will they just fix resolutions, mouseaim, compatibility etc. making the remaster the best and most accurate way to play vanilla Blood? Or are there changes in gameplay in visuals to be expected?

>>5408058
>So, what should we expect from the Blood remaster? Is the company doing it known for good and true-to-the-original remasters?
They made remasters of Strife, Turok, Turok 2, and System Shock. I've played the first 3 and they were all quality.
Based on what the dev has posted it'll be basically Blood with modern standards (FOV, resolution, etc.) and some fixed bugs. So it won't be demo-accurate like the other ports, but it shouldn't be massively different from the original game.

>>5408058
Probably OpenGL rendering.

>>5408058
>Blood
>no sourceports for 2 decades
>one crazy Russian reverse engineers an exe and makes a BloodGDX
>Hendrics gets his knickers in a twist and starts showing everyone what a twat he is and how everyone should work on EDuke instead of doing their own thing
>Someone complies and uses similar method the russian did to make NBlood
>Kaiser is making a recreation on his KEX engine

>>5404415
>shits on boomers
>le memes
>"I'm enjoying far cry 5"
I fucking knew Dusk is zoomercore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koVGz7rDea4

cool

>>5407534
Shokk is that you

Are there any wads that remake and expand on the levels of Doom 1? I'm playing The Ultimate Doom 2 right now and it makes the levels of Doom 2 much bigger and different, though still familiar enough that you know it's like the original level.

Does Icarus know any other word besides "satisfying" when saying that something is good?

>>5403773
pajeets are awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLduGZax9wmiHg-XPFSgqGg8PEAV51q1FT

>>5408106
>zscript
yikes

Is it possible to keyboard-only Kingpin? Or even Quake 2 with mission packs, for that matter? Do these games have sufficient auto-aiming opinions in order to allow that (the way Quake 1 does)?

>>5408184
Were you expecting updates to Decorate?

>>5408190
Also, HeXen2 is ver doable that way if you play as the assassin. Necromancer though was pretty unplayable from keyboard, from what I remember.

>>5407297
Continuous on first play.
Pistol Starts on replay.

>>5407297
I prefer continuous, because I like to see it as a continuous adventure. It also means I can find something good in a level, and if there's nothing really worth using that on, I can save it for later.

That said, I do like episodes, so I'm fine with being reset after a few levels.

TNT 2: Devilution is almost done!

TNT 2: Devilution is almost done!
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104882-tnt-2-devilution-clean-thread-new-updates/

>>5408340
haha you forgot to post the link.

>>5408343
Don't make fun of me.
I tried.

>>5408348
do or do not
do not

>>5403774
see >>5408341

>>5408341

>>5408349
>do or do not
>do not

>>5408341
man, guess soon enough i'm gonna have to play it again
With Finaldoomer TNT guy(I will play it vanilla don't worry)

>>5407297
All levels in doom/heretic designed for pistolstart. Continuous playstyle make levels more meaningless and stupid.

>>5408341
Oh god not another wad in my playlist

>>5408369
Some of Heretic's levels are pretty ass-kicking though.

>>5408369
>Continuous playstyle make levels more meaningless and stupid.
so you're saying it was a bad design decision and id software fucked up?

>>5408373
id fucked up in making it ambiguous as to how you were supposed to play their game.

>>5408376
well there's no pistol start command, and they made the player keep their stuff from the previous maps. I think it's pretty clear which one of the two they supported the most, even if the maps were to be doable with pistol start.

>>5408369
i never understood this insistance on pistol starting everything, like every level was some kind of strictly self contained challenge level, instead of a part of an entire game

>>5407028
Also, i played the survival mode with Dakka and it worked outside of some text popping in about scripts not working.
Are there any survival based maps that actually work with gameplay mods for GZDoom?

>>5408369
you suck at the game if you die and have to pistol start every level
don't worry though, as id thought about suckers like you

>>5408127
i was thinking more on kalechip/drcockula

>>5408369
>All levels in doom/heretic designed for pistolstart.
Balanced so that pistol starts are playable =/= they're intended to be pistol started only.

>>5408397
the fact that some levels can go with both continuous and pistol start, along with stuff like 0 kills runs shows how "versatile" these games can be
kinda like super mario 64

>>5408452
it's more so the fact that dying makes you restart the level with no weapons as a consequence, so they HAD to make the levels doable with pistol start no matter what.

I like brutal, vanilla is boring. Just in case, i'm not a fan of doom or an old school player, i can't play without the gore and a modern gameplay and the jump system.

Bungies first shooter Pathways into darkness is now ported to Aleph One
http://simplici7y.com/items/aleph-one-pathways-into-darkness

>>5408509
It's already in the news.

>>5408509

>>5408510
>>5408519
Well im glad im slow on this because it means people care, good shit

>>5408507
>what did he mean by this

>>5408507

hey cacos, can I ask about system shock? I noticed the game sounded like shit and don't know much about midi in windows 10, so I was redirected to virtualmidisynth which sounds fine, but there's a shitload of soundfonts.

what's a good soundfont for system shock? I'm playing the enhanced edition if that's relevant

>>5408507
>he doesent know

Any weapons mods for Quake?

>>5408567
If you want it to sound same way as developers heard it when they made it - then Roland SC-55 as it was most widely used.

But if you want it to sound better - there are some other soundfonts. I used WeedsGM3 and then GM4 for the most part, until i stumbled across some tracks in Ancient Aliens that simply didn't sound right. Then I looked for the offending instruments and replaced them with their Roland counterparts, and so far it was an ideal for me - the instruments are pretty much the same but they all sound richer https://www.mediafire.com/file/er4klqrtv98joa6/SplicedWeedsGM4.sf2/file

>>5404415
This is the definition of toxicity. To hate just to make people angry.

>>5408591
I like Quake 2, but shut the fuck up.

>>5408595
This is not contributing to the thread.

>>5408584
Thanks my man I'll try that one out

>>5408509
It's a VERY good game, arguably better than the Marathons, managed to age remarkably well too, but I don't know how faithful this port is mechanics-wise (haven't checked it out yet), and whether the person who ported the game, managed to take out of Marathon every lame gimmick Marathon introduced, when compared to the original PiD, in the first place.
From what I understand, the port doesn't support both demos though (Demo A1 for 68k macs, and Demo 2.0 for PowerPC macs, both have their own levels, Demo 2.0 in particular is pretty bitching).

>>5404501
Dusk was legit good though. I highly recommend everyone try it.

But I did buy nuROTT after enjoying Dusk and... yeah, I see why some people don't like Dave too much.

It's flawed, to say the least.

>>5408080
Can't help but imagine picrelated.

>>5405105
>He's like the human embodiment of the feeling of being way too hyped, and it annoys a lot of people for good reason.

He's no Peter Molyneux.

>>5408624
Dusk has its problems.
That most often get overlooked because "OMG it looks like Quake and Blood and i love it and everyone that says something negative is a hater" kind of people.

>>5408080
>Kaiser is making a recreation on his KEX engine
Don't forget that despite not being even remotely accurate and most probably introducing
some unnecessary changes, it's still gonna be universally praised by everyone, regardless of whether the other ports are better

>>5408634
Salty as fuck.
And full of assumptions.

>>5408624
Dusk looks like shit and the only thing that it seems to have going for it is the Sanic-fast movement speed. The rest seems Extreme Paintball-like in execution.

>>5408673
What do you get in return for this shilling? Are you paid to post this?

>>5408683
What do you get in return for being a seething cunt?
Unless you have some actual evidence as to the accuracy of the KEX Blood port, your statement is pure assumption. The second half is accusation against EVERYONE and therefor can be dismissed as trolling or asshattery.

>>5408682
It's a lot of fun, really. Movement wise feels really good. The enemies are lacking, and the art is programmer tier shit, but still manages some decent visual effects.
Level design is so-so. Good for exploration but rarely makes good use of the movement.
Def worth a playthrough though.

>>5408584
>WeedsGM3 with fixed instruments
You've made my day.

>>5408715
I only replaced a tremolo strings - had reverberation on the end where there not supposed to be any in the midis - replaced that with Rolands, and a couple of others that I've personally encountered
If you know any other instruments that need replacement in the base WeedsGM, please tell, and I will replace them.

>>5408591
shut the fuck up, _sink

>>5407974
You're better off playing with no sound if thats your only other option

>>5408507
I mean, yeah. If you're used to a certain level of interactivity and accessibility, it's hard to approach a game that doesn't have so much of it and enjoy it.

Brutal just kind of ignores actual gameplay balance in favor of spectacle, though, and not in the silly Russian Overkill way.

I still play with gameplay mods a lot, just because there's such a wide and interesting variety of stuff out there. Look for different experiences besides Brutal, there are plenty of fun ones. I'd recommend Reelism if you're looking for fast-paced excitement, though it's an entirely different gamemode to normal Doom.

What do you guys think about the Quake 1.5 mod? Is it worth a playthrough or is it just a neat novelty?

>>5408879
Q1.5 shill is back in town, boys!

>>5408895
I don't know what would give you the idea that I'm a shill. I'm skeptical about it. If I just wanted to go play it I would've gone and installed DarkPlaces (ew) already.

>>5408380
If its you're first time playing Doom, and you were actually playing Doom on a computer from 20 years ago with keyboard controls or those shitty ball mice, then there is nothing wrong with continuous or lower difficulties because the game was hard enough already. Now with optical/laser mice and faster machines Doom is too easy on anything below UV and pistol starts. That's all there is to it.

>>5408591
Not being able to perceive humor in the form of exaggeration and irony is a hallmark of autism.

>>5408683
Kill yourself.

>>5408941
Zorch yourself

BATHDOOM
https://twitter.com/dietinghippo/status/1102153605899927556

>>5409014
SCRUB AND CLEAN YOUR FILTH

I know that TF started out as a quake mod, are there other standalone games that got started as mods for /vr/ shooters? Where could I find those mods?

>>5409039
Counter Strike

>>5408509
now is they could only port damage inc., that's be mighty fucking swell

>>5409039
half-life to a degree, I think Id gave valve the source code for the quake 2 engine and that became the source engine which was used for half life 1 and its expansions

>>5408824
imagine being this picky about midi music

>>5409076
You mean GoldSource and Quake 1. That's not really comparable, because that's a professional company licensing a game engine (and then heavily modifying the source), not a fan-made mod.

>>5409039
Other than Team Fortress, Counter-Strike is the biggest example. Day of Defeat also started out as a Half-Life mod as well.

TNT Evilution was meant to be a PWAD but TeamTNT accepted an offer to make it a retail product for id, this apparently caused plenty of controversy back in the day.

>>5408915

Does anyone have this, out of curiosity:
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Perdition%27s_Gate

I have Hell To Pay, the other WAD by the company but not this one. Can't find it around the Internet so easily for some reason. Haven't dared searching Archive.org because it's easy to get lost in there.

>>5409162
>Perdition's Gate at Tom Mustaine's website, including download of the full version
Well fuck me I'm stupid. I've never found this until now.