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>>5397390
Disney really disembowled the Star Wars IP in just about every way possible

>>5397421
Old Star Wars fans are to blame for not understanding the prequels and whining about Jar Jar. Phantom Menace got shit for being too kiddy, but once you realize what was going on it's the darkest and creepiest one in the whole series.

New films aren't Star Wars they're just comittee written Disney movies with a Star Wars skin slapped on top.

>>5397452
Pray tell, what exactly is going on in that movie then?

>>5397390
>tfw Zoomers assume im talking about that Modern FPS cut and paste bullshit whenever i mention Starwars Battlefront

>>5397390
And to think that Dave Filoni of Clone Wars fame was few steps away from becoming the head of Star Wars Disney division in place of Kathleen Kennedy after the TLJ/Solo debacle.
He turned down the offer though and nobody else wanted to take Kennedy's job, so the bitch stayed,

>>5397547
Lucas was very into myth and said early on (original movies) that Star Wars is his take on the fall and redemption story. The problem is that it's not till the third movie that you see the scope of what was going on. Also the reaction to Jar Jar was so bad that he reduced his role in the subsequent films.

So Palpatine, a Sith lord wants to destroy the Jedi order and rule the galaxy. He learned a technique to create life out of force energy, but the being produced is almost purely good, basically like a "space jesus". So what we see in Phantom Menace is the first stages of his plan to take this incredibly powerful being of goodness and turn it into the most evil murderous bastard in the Galaxy.

So he incarnates him to be the child of a slave in one of the shittiest planets around where he would grow up seeing the corruption and inequality of the galactic republic and have a natural wariness of it.

Then when he's ripe Palpatine sends his emissary, Jar Jar to collect him and in the process intoduce him to a beautiful space princess knowing that love brings passion and obsession which the Jedi regard as dangerous and will sow the seeds of his eventual fall. It ends with Anakin being taken to train as a Jedi while Palpatine can follow and manipulate him to eventually turn. That's basically the plot of the movie. Many (even the characters in the film) wonder why the fuck Palpatine would ask for Jedi to come and deal with a trade dispute. As we see later, there never was a real dispute he was playing both sides to promote war. The real purpose for calling them there was so Jar Jar could get tangled up with them mess with their ship (you can see him do it) to force them to land on Tatooine where being Jedi they will quickly realize there's a slave kid there who's potential force energy is off the charts and has to be trained.

They mention the prophecy of the one who will come and bring balance to the force. Which he does, but not how they expected.

>>5397390
We'll always have the super games. I never got why they're disliked.

People criticize the prequels and there was a lot to criticize, but they're still far above whatever garbage Disney has done. At least it seemed Lucas et al were trying to tell a story and have a moral message rather than just peddle action figures.

Square and Enix, two companies that make cool games? Sign me up!

>>5397610
what an absolute load of shit

>>5398501
Bob Iger is the ultimate corporate bean counter which means that movies get made based on the projected income they'll make for Disney shareholders.

>>5397610
You're right about somethings, but you're also wrong about Jar Jar's role, which makes everyone disregard every point you've made, retard.

>>5398510
>>5398506

It's unclear if Jar Jar was meant to be a Sith himself and acting a fool or if he was just basically being used as a puppet because he's so weak willed but he's absolutely a key part of the plan.

>>5397594
IMO the Battlefront games always sucked. Boring

>>5398490
They were hard and kids today can't deal with it. Sad too, because they were really fun and looked pretty good.

>>5398728
LucasArts adventures other than Zak McKracken are not that difficult.

>>5398716
wrong

>>5397452
talk about a nonsequitor

>>5397452
The prequels were cheesy but they had soul.

Nu-wars is soulless.

>>5397594
EA had the gall to make it impossible to look for footage of the first game (in part because YouTube date restriction options are virtually non-existent).
For this alone I could never forgive them. Hope they die soon.

>>5397610
I like your theory, but I think you're giving Lucas too much credit. I don't know why he came up with something like a pointless trade war when there could have been a better backdrop for civil war against the republic that had an actual moral basis which drives anakin slowly insane.

>>5397610
I have a hard time believing such a force technique exists.
It's a convenient explanation for how Anakin is so force-sensitive, but that he could be the consequence of a life force technique borders on ridiculous.

>>5398986
>I don't know why he came up with something like a pointless trade war
so a realistic catalyst for human war, hm?

>>5398990
It just seemed really dumb, especially when one side was fighting with literal robot NPCs who made wacky comments when they blew up. It wasn't human, and it wasn't gritty.

>>5398571
>Jar Jar is the key to all this
He's also directly responsible for giving Palpatine emergency dictatorial power

>>5399001
its family friendly
PG movie

>>5399012
So were the originals and even the teddy bear battle had a little bit of gravity and pathos

>>5398987
Palpatine tells Anakin about it in episode 3, "Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life." And that finally explains the weird story of Anakin's birth, why he has no father and why his potential force energy was higher than in anyone else they'd seen.

>>5399004
Precisely. Jar Jar puts forth the vote which gives Palpatine the ability to declare himself emperor. Now consider, if Jar Jar is what he appears to be in Phantom Menace, just a bumbling stupid Gungan who's always messing up and breaking shit and just got randomly tangled up in events... Why would a Suth lord Palpatine keep him as a close aid for years on end? Especially given the fan reaction, it would have been the easiest thing to say he just went back with the Gungans to be not mentioned again. But no, he's always there as one of Palpatine's inner circle. Now sure, he may be just a big meat puppet, one of the most easily controlled creatures in the galaxy and so a good tool. But he's unquestionably part of the Sith scheme we see played out across the movies.

>>5399001
>>5399227
Go read the scenario for PM from before the filming started.
It's completely different beast. To the point where Jar Jar is a great character in it.

>>5399275
>Jar Jar
>great character
Now I wanna know more.

>All those niggers arguing about stupid SW shit
>When there is entire point-n-click genre
How young are you, exactly?

>>5398731
we're talking about super star wars

>>5399278
the star wars games are good though

All Star Wars are mentally ill. This is the conclusion I've come to.

All Star Wars fans are mentally ill. This is the conclusion I've come to.

Did they even release any P&Cs after Grim Fandango?

>>5399350
A lot of people complain about them
But a lot of people seem to hate all platformers not made by Nintendo.

>>5398716
you shut your mouth, they were lots of fun. Being a sneaky troll with the jet trooper was the best.

>>5399436
Where did you go to learn about the ins and outs of the brain after you got your HS Diploma?

>>5397452
There are few things more pathetic than prequel zoomers scapegoating old Star Wars fans.

The problem with TPM isn't that it's too kiddy, in fact that's the one Star Wars movie where that defense actually applies. There are several big problems with TPM. One is that Jar Jar gets too much screen time for being a stupid and annoying character, in particular crowding out Obi-Wan who gets very little development. Another is that portraying Anakin as a young child eliminates a lot of potential for interesting conflict and development. In particular, the climax of the film is undercut because it's made to look like an accident (and if it hadn't been an accident, it would have been rather hard to believe that a 9 year old kid took out the droid control ship all by himself, although I think I'd have preferred that personally). Finally, the way the film is shot builds up to a huge climax in a manner that directly recalls Return of the Jedi, except that it's too much for the first movie. Where RotJ portrays the climactic finale of several storylines spanning multiple movies, in TPM it's is the climax of just one film and we're not sufficiently invested in ANY of the factions to warrant such a huge event.

>>5398571
>It's unclear if Jar Jar was meant to be a Sith
wtf no it isn't. Jar Jar is a retard, coward, and outcast who bumps into Qui-Gon on Naboo. He develops a degree of courage and wisdom that leads to the meeting between Boss Nass and Queen Amidala where they forge an alliance to protect their planet from the invaders. For this accomplishment he is rewarded, and winds up trusted with a much higher station than he deserves, being as witless as he is. He is thus easily manipulated by Palpatine (Palpatine's manipulation of Jar Jar is shown on screen there's no need to speculate about it).
>>5399004
>Jar Jar is the key to all this
Yeah unfortunately Lucas overdid it. Jar Jar being stupid got old really fast and apart from being only mildly funny at best, his antics really deflate any tension and stakes in the Battle of Naboo.

>>5398981
>The prequels were cheesy but they had soul.
zoom zoom zoom

>>5397390
Lucas Arts STILL holds the Dark Forces Source code

>https://github.com/Mindwerks/XLEngine

"We know online gaming is the way forward, we're going to put the farm on it" - dreamcast executive not long before its complete collapse.

Online gaming is golden today for a handful of games, but for console games back in 1999/early 2000s it made no sense to invest to much into it. There wasn't the infrastructure for it, the public weren't as into it (only a fraction of people played online games a lot back then), the online games weren't matured enough for it, it was all a car crash.

"We know online gaming is the way forward, we're going to put the farm on it" - dreamcast executive not long before its complete collapse. (not a direct quote, something like that).

Online gaming is golden today for a handful of games, but for console games back in 1999/early 2000s it made no sense to invest to much into it. There wasn't the infrastructure for it, the public weren't as into it (only a fraction of people played online games a lot back then), the online games weren't matured enough for it, it was all a car crash.

Yes it was too bad, but by the time Disney pulled the plug on LucasArts, everyone who gave us those classics was long gone and the company hadn't made anything good in many years.

>>5400054
Jar Jar is more likely acting a fool (like Yoda did when Luke first met him) to hide his power and intentions. Though it is possible he was being puppeted the whole time, Palpatine keeping him as one of his close aids makes that less likely. I do agree that Lucas over did it and made him appear so goofy that it turned a lot of fans off though.

>>5399436
>nintoddler calling anyone else mentally ill

yikes, oof, cringe, etc

>>5400072
>buzzword buzzword buzzword

>>5400119
Online gaming through Xbox Live is what made the original Xbox profitable and saved the brand. Xbox came out just three years after Dreamcast. Sega's ship was already sinking too fast to save the console, online gaming wasn't why it failed.

>>5398981
no, the prequels were dogshit. Nu-wars is just even smellier dogshit. A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back are peak Star Wars.

>>5400145
>Jar Jar is more likely acting a fool

George Lucas wanted Indiana Jones to cling to a submarine's periscope across the entire ocean

Jar-jar is a cartoon rabbit that steps in the poop and children laugh

Yeah I wish this was a better character, nothing wrong with comedy - R2D2 and C3PO are funny sometimes

>>5400316
Like I say, he made some missteps trying to make the movie also work too much for children, but I think it's clear his role isn't as simple as it seems at first.

>>5397421
complaining about disney fucking up starwars is like complaining about the hole in your wall when your house is on fire.

>>5397610
I have to laugh every time I realise that I always got that "There was no father" as an "I whored myself and get raped a lot around here you know..." Thus preventing me into creating such lovely stupid fan fiction..

>>5399350
Republic Commando (which isn't retro) is the only genuinely good one. If you squint really, REALLY hard, Jedi Outcast is passable, too.
But that's literally it

>>5400401
X wing and tie fighter series were good

>>5400145
>Jar Jar is more likely acting a fool
This is extremely unlikely. There's no reason to think this based on established background for the character and there isn't a single tell to suggest anything beyond what is portrayed.
>>5400375
>his role isn't as simple as it seems at first.
Yes, I explained the role here: >>5400054
In The Phantom Menace, Jar Jar is the character on the Hero's Journey, despite not being the protagonist (Qui-Gon is the main character). He is more than mere pointless comic relief.

It's likely that Lucas had a bigger role planned for Jar Jar in Ep2 and Ep3, but there's no chance that he was going to be some kind of secret dark side agent of Sidious or anything like that.

>>5400417
not if you're a shitter with no patience.

>>5400302
An opinion, just that. Hello there, Ehtan

>>5400380
Hello Ethan Van Schiver fanatic.
>BOO-HOO EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PREQUELS BAD! ALL SPECIAL EDITIONS BAD! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>5400380
not at all. It's really fascinating to see how badly they've managed to fuck up so quickly and so completely.

>>5400540
The established background for the character is what we see in the films and I think it clearly shows he's a key part of Palpatine's plot, knowing or otherwise. I really do think Lucas intended to reveal his true nature but backed off due to the reaction, but I don't expect to convince you.

Disney's problem was their plans to crank out SW movies assembly-line style and not grasping that the way it worked was spacing out movies over a period of years to build up fan hunger. That's how it's always worked with James Bond.

"Man, with EA Purchasing us, what could go wrong?" - game devs

>>5400574
I'm sorry the prequels were your first exposure to star wars anon but the franchise really did peak in the 80s with empire.

>>5400401
How the fuck is Jedi Knight and Outcast only passable?

>>5400839
ESB is still a 70s movie for all practical purposes. ROTJ is an 80s movie and it showed that the franchise was already running out of gas.

>>5400827
>bioware
people have been saying that they're next on chopping block since ME3 the latest. i'll believe it when i see it at this point.

>>5400847
>ESB is still a 70s movie for all practical purposes.
technically it would be but it came out in 1980.

>>5400861
The script and all major filming was done in 78-79 and the 80s in a cultural sense wasn't really established until at least 82.

>>5400868
fair enough but i'd still consider empire the last good star wars movie and the EU was a dumpster fire long before disney stepped in.

the biggest problem with star wars as franchise is how there is ZERO quality control. all the people who told lucas no clearly didn't follow him on the prequels while disney had the wrong people in charge of handling it.

>>5400853
EA kills slowly. Me3 was even successful. I dont expect any thing worthwhile out of bioware anymore. If me4 was ultima 8, then the next is gonna be ultima 9

>>5400890
He already got too much control on ROTJ which led to Ewoks happening.

>>5400868
The 80's lasted until 1993. These things happen.

>>5400892
well andromeda killed the franchise so you don't have to worry about that anymore and DA4 is all they really have left after anthem.

also i think the biggest thing that some people need to take into consideration when they talk about a studio like bioware's fall is that how many people responsible for their greatest hits are even there anymore? i feel like most of them are long gone by now and probably left around either DA:O or ME2.

it's like all the people who want bungie back on halo forget that the bungie that worked on the halo games are not the bungie that worked on destiny.

-Meesa subvert Gungan society then meesa banished.

EA is like the Death Star of video game developers.

>>5400145
Hi /r/fanfic

>>5400302
I agree with you.
The original star wars could have been a stand-alone masterpiece, and in fact originally it was stand-alone, hence lucas retconning in vader being Lukes father in Empire, and changing the title to 'A new hope'. Star wars became popular due to the heroic epic but it remains popular due to world-building kids who want to get lost in a fantasy world and every movie reflects that more and more.

>>5400890
>EU was a dumpster fire
The Yuuzhan Vong beg to differ
>>5400893
Ewoks do have a marketing to younger kids vibe to them, but at least the designers for the sets TRIED hard to make them look convincing. ROTJ ended fine for me.

>>5400839
I also think ESB is the best of the bunch, but I also see ROTJ to be better than ANH. Also, did you even see the prequels aside form TPM? CGI imo can work in Star Wars. Not everything needs to be practical effects.

>>5400916
.....whoa.....

>>5400924
I'm not sure Lucas had intended Star Wars to be a one-shot thing for very long. Also, Vader being Luke's father is hardly a jump the shark moment. Obi-Wan telling things about his father that aren't true isn't the end of the world by a long shot. However, I do find the fact that Lucas originally wanted Leia to not be Luke's sister, and instead be someone else entirely that Luke would be searching for after ROTJ to be quite interesting.

>>5400302
I am going to get yelled for that, but I don't actually mind TFA. It is nowhere near the top of Star Wars films, but it was fine for me. We weren't there just yet, but something workable could've been made out of that with later movies. And they fucked it up with TLJ.
I even didn't mind Mary Sue Rey - Daisy Ridley was working her ass off to salvage this stupid character and in the end gave her a certain charm and likeability that kinda worked despite all the Mary Sue bullshit in the script. Compared to Jyn Erso from R1 - who was so bland and forgettable I don't remember one line from her, Rey is not that atrocious.

>>5398981
I like Rogue One.
>tfw no badass smokin hot space orphan gf

>>5400978
Rogue one is the only post-Lucas Star Wars film that I not only like more than 2/3 of the prequels, but also didn't underperform at the fox office.

>>5398987
lol dude that's the one part of that guy's post that 100% isn't bullshit. Palpatine admits he did as much in the original script:
" This is taken from Page 42 of the Making of Revenge of the Sith book, which contains storyline and dialogue from George Lucas' rough draft of the script....

"On Coruscant, PALPATINE completes his seduction of ANAKIN, who at first refuses to go over to the dark side-- until the Chancellor makes a startling confession:"

DARTH SIDIOUS-- "I have waited all these years for you to fulfill your destiny... I arranged for your conception. I used the power of the Force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created you."

ANAKIN-- "I don't believe you."

DARTH SIDIOUS-- "Ahhh, but you know it's true. When you clear your mind, you will sense the truth. you could almost think of me as your father."

ANAKIN-- "That's impossible!"

DARTH SIDIOUS-- "Nevertheless, you must decide."

The other theories concerning Jar Jar are dubious at best.

>>5400924
>I agree with you.
The original star wars could have been a stand-alone masterpiece, and in fact originally it was stand-alone

First off it's been long known that Star Wars was always the middle chapter in a huge saga he wanted to tell. Also it's funny but I remember reading an old review of Star Wars from when it had just come out and the reviewer complaining about how he didn't get why everyone loved it so much because it felt like a chunk taken out of something. We follow this character who gets a magic sword and then never even gets to use it. I always thought that was funny. New Hope is my favorite of the movies, but I do agree with that a little.

Also never bern to reddit, just an old ass Star Wars fan.

>>5397390
>Famous last words in gaming thread?

~Sometime in 1991~ "Yeah, dude, Street Fighter III is coming out soon."

>>5398490
You're showing why right now. Those games are unfair glitchy BS. They're great for nostalgia, but the Super Star Wars series eats.

>>5400910
And the 90's either ended in 9/11, 2003 or the creation of the iPhone and Web 2.0. Cultural shifts by decade take some time to set in.

>>5401372
>or the creation of the iPhone and
>The first-generation iPhone was released on June 29, 2007
I think that would be a little late for the 2000s to start.

The bumbling fool who's really a skilled badass is a well known trope. Jar Jar fits that. I mean, are we to assume that leaping 10 feet in the air doing triple somersaults is normal for an average gungan? Easily dodging laser blasts? Singlehandedly destroying a tank and taking out dozens of droids, all the while stumbling around going "lol look at how silly I am". Luck? Hardly.

Also, influencing people. Hey, we're two Jedis on a secret mission. Let's take this clumsy idiot along because he asked for it. Hey, let's make this absolute idiot the planet's representative in the galactic parliament. because he sort of volunteered.

And that he's seen fiddling with the queen's hyper drive before they have to make a landing on Tattooine where Space Jesus lives is just a coincidence, right?

Look, Jar Jar is a master manipulator and a powerful force user... so powerful that he's not detected by other Jedi. And what better way to hide it than playing the bumbling fool.

>>5401473
Based Jar Jar Sith lord poster. Really, Lucas even admitted to reading a book where the master manipulator, a phantom menace, if you will, was named: Binxs [sic] and he used bumbling antics to cover up his true nature.
Hmmmm

>>5401473
You forgot to mention the two Jedi's shocked looked when Jar Jar literally Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon's up into the air and then finally ending in a flip too, before they go to his undawahtah cih-tee. The only other time we see anything close this is, is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dATuq8O3920 when Darth Sidious makes his first strike...

>>5401473
You forgot to mention the two Jedi's shocked look when Jar Jar literally Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon's up into the air and then finally ending in a flip too, before they go to his undawahtah cih-tee. The only other time we see anything close this is, is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dATuq8O3920 [Embed] when Darth Sidious makes his first strike...

And Ahmed Best heavily hinted that it's true for months. I firmly believe that Lucas lost his nerve after Ep I backlash due to Jar Jar. His antics were just too much too soon for the previously established pace of the saga.

>>5401473
You forgot to mention the two Jedi's shocked look when Jar Jar literally Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon's up into the air and then finally ending in a flip too, before they go to his undawahtah cih-tee. The only other time we see anything close this is, is here: https:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GpwHYV38Jo when Darth Sidious makes his first strike...

And Ahmed Best heavily hinted that it's true for months. I firmly believe that Lucas lost his nerve after Ep I backlash due to Jar Jar. His antics were just too much too soon for the previously established pace of the saga.

{finally correct veed-dyo}

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GpwHYV38Jo

Why embed on the others and not now?

Whatever, Jar Jar was seriously going to be THE Phantom Menace, but Red Letter Media fucked that all up. Yes, you did, Mike. Yeah, I know you guys come on here.

>>5401213
>A middle chapter.

Horse shit, he made it 'Episode 6' to invoke the sense of old adventure serials.

>>5401497
(4) but you're right. He only planned a sequel IF it was a huge hit and even had the "real sequel" "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" ready to go as a cheap low-budget sequel if SW flopped so he could make his money back. However, when SW became a cultural water mark/film technological breakthrough, he said "fugg it, I'm riding this until I'm out of juice."

>>5401506
The idea was to take the finanical success that Star Wars was generating and basically use it to set up a studio retreat and fund a ton of arty films for him and his friends, but the costs of making the film, and trying to set this up burned Lucas out, ruined his marriage and he just sat on the money as it came in after ROTJ.

>>5401507
>The idea was to take the finanical success that Star Wars was generating and basically use it to set up a studio retreat and fund a ton of arty films for him and his friends,

True. Those same friends helped him edit SW (yeah along with his wife at the time) and Brian DePalma even had the final write on the crawl since Lucas' went on too long.

>>5397390
>ruined his marriage and he just sat on the money as it came in after ROTJ.

I don't know if we'll ever know exactly what happened to their marriage outside of the precious little Lucas has stated, but he did drop out for a while to raise his kids. We do know, though, that Lucas had a full-on heart attack on the original SW, so the stress was killing him.

>>5401506
>>5401497
It's true he didn't think he'd ever be able to make the whole series, but he did have an overall idea of the whole saga and who Luke was to Vader. As said I am an aging massive Star Wars nerd, I did one of my research projects in highshool on Lucas and delved into a lot of the early planning and his love of myth. This was early 90's before we even knew the prequels were coming.

>>5401549
Wasn't it the opposite? That he wrote too much for the first film and they pared it down, so he used the stuff for the sequels?

>>5401556
>That he wrote too much for the first film

Not them, but not quite. He wrote too much for one film, but that was when he talked of 12-18 eventual films. Get it? He was talking out of his ass. Star Wars is literally Flash Gordon and the Seven Samurai.

>>5401562
Yeah, I honestly do think that Lucas really made a ton of shit up about his intentions and plans and what the films meant later on. I think he just wanted to make a good, fun, solid film with Star Wars.

>>5400670
The moon is made of cheese and it's been mined hollow by aliens and that's why we havent been back to the moon since the 60s

But I dont expect to convince you

>>5401556
Kinda. Early drafts tried to fit a ton of shit in and were kind of a clusterfuck so SW did end up being very paired down from that. What we got is a weird mix between this crazy huge saga idea he had in his head pasted into a sci-fi remake/homage to The Hidden Fortress (which any SW fan should watch) and he assumed it would be laregly ignored like THX1138. But all the bones were there and Vader was always meant meant to be fallen Anakin. Hence Darth Vader/Vater which is German for father.

>>5400892
>DA:O "underperformed"
>ME:Andromeda flopped and the series was put on hiatus
>Anthem sold even worse than Andromeda
It really is only a matter of time

>>5401210
It seems like they rewrote it to make it less like the OT, it was too similar to the Vader is Luke's father reveal. Disney movies seem to do the opposite because they shoehorn OT references anywhere possible.

>>5400969
>>5401213
>in a huge saga he wanted to tell
Yeah, of course, he decided that after it became crazy popular to turn it into a saga. So essentially what he's saying is he had thought about backstory and was open to sequels, like most story writers ever? What made star-wars special? It was that it became a cultural sensation and had a huge amount of $$ in it, so was time to go back and expand it.
I only pointed out one example of where he went back and changed things to illustrate that he hadn't written the story in advance, because everyone seems to be fooled by the claims that it was some preconceived grand story always laid out in his head that just needed to become reality, when its actually just a series of stories written by a writer like every other series, except he chose to post-release apply an annoying gimmick when numbering the 'episodes'.
Anyway, the point of this spaghetti is that "A New Hope" stands alone as the cultural sensation and a complete story, and the "downfall" of starwars that people talk about can be traced back to Lucas cashing in on his original hit and making ESB. FWIW I don't mind most of the newer star wars movies, they are okay pulp fiction.

>>5400946
this looks like LOTR fanart.

>>5400949
yeah and ep3 was the best of te prequels but i wouldn't consider it a good star wars movie.

It's obvious that 1977 Star Wars was supposed to be just a single fantasy movie. The "Episode IV A New Hope" came years later when he made the sequels. And he made sequels because it was such an unexpected gigantic success.

And now, because he's a lunatic, George Lucas has literally tried to retcon the whole thing. It's embarrassing and needs to stop.

>>5400808
The problem was bad movies, particularly careless, incompetent writing that both lacked a long-term vision and an understanding of the core fan base.

- A competent writer setting up a multi-movie saga would not have Mary Sue'd the main protagonist.
- A competent writer setting up a multi-movie saga would have developed relationships between new protagonists.
- A competent writer setting up a multi-movie saga would have tried to develop credible and interesting villains.
- A competent writer setting up new videogames would have spent some time developing interesting visual designs and novel set-pieces instead of just copying the originals.
- A competent writer trying to set up spin-off series would have set up a large scale, multi-faceted conflict with lots of interesting events hinted at happening simultaneously.
- A competent writer would not have discarded promising characters into trash compactors and crash landings and leading to their deaths being retconned after the fact. They would have made side characters compelling, leaving audiences with a desire for more.
- A series with a plan and a vision would never in a million years have produced such a foolish misfire as The Last Jedi. The supposed "good guy" faction has literally lost at the end of the film and there are no meaningful stakes left whatsoever.

It's really funny to me when I see people trying to suggest that the Disney movies are bad because Disney is too busy trying to sell toys or copy Marvel because if that's their intent it's a hilarious failure.

>>5401643
Well said.

>>5401604
>Yeah, of course, he decided that after it became crazy popular to turn it into a saga. So essentially what he's saying is he had thought about backstory and was open to sequels, like most story writers ever?

Sort of. He had written reams if backstory that were fully intended to be part of the story he was telling. But releasing an independent movie (he couldn't get big studio approval of it remember) that was almost certain not to be a big enough success, he cut way back and we got what we did. Of course many things got changed along the way, that's hpw writing and storytelling works. But it doesn't mean there was never that scope in his mind and I think ultimately the saga we got 1-6 is a pretty fantastic story. I would say that a big part of why the original Star Wars became such a phenomenon. You can see in that film how it's just a tiny glimpse into a huge world.

>>5401643
Hardly years by the way. Star Wars came out in May of 1977 and they were in production for the next movie by November of the same year. All Lucas' notes from before and during the making of the first movie reference how it was a chunk out of a huge story, whether or not the rest of it would ever be seen.

>>5401643
>It's obvious that 1977 Star Wars was supposed to be just a single fantasy movie
I wouldn't say that. I'm not saying Lucas had the whole trilogy planned out at that point, he obviously didn't, and even if there was a sketch or outline there would be a lot of refinement and modification over the next few years. But if you look at the first movie, it leaves a LOT open for future development. It most definitely feels like a small part of a larger story.

Luke does not use his lightsaber at all apart from the one training scene. Darth Vader ultimately loses in his objective to protect the Death Star, but survives is never defeated in a straightforward contest. He's only knocked out of the fight long enough for Luke to hit his shot on the exhaust port. It's clear the rebels have won a major victory, but not the war.

>>5400853
Bioware doesn't exist anymore for over a decade or so.
Just like DICE, Criterion or Maxis. Those names are now merely different designators for their general genre-departments (rpg, shootan, racan, siman espectively).
It's all part of The EA, resistance is futile.

>>5401582
>whoever the tower of Hanoi autist was worked on all their good games
>the last game ea let's let's them make is just a bunch of towers of hanoi puzzles.

>>5397390
The best Star Wars games aren't even made by LA.

>>5401473
even if all this were true it means nothing as it led nowhere plot-wise and is fan speculation

it could just as easily be said his luck really was this good as seen in countless kids adventure movies with a bumbling protagonist who dodges 1000 shots from bad guys

>>5398490
Super Empire Strikes Back is bullshit and you know it. I want to love it so much but I just can't. Presentation and music and gameplay are there in leaps and bounds.

I don't understand how anyone can play that game and have a good time, though. Legit the angriest I have ever gotten playing a game was with this overly difficult monstrosity.

>>5402623
True - they're made by Raven

>>5402798
Did you think of trying easy?

>>5402623
>>5402832
seems legit
>Developer(s) Coolhand Interactive
>Publisher(s) LucasArts

>>5402798
>RAGEQUIT

>>5400839
Star Wars peaked with the first movie.

>>5403047
Not to me.

>>5398981
Said nobody that stood in line to watch Phantom Menace.

>>5401704
>Hardly years by the way.

What? They started making the movie in 1975, began filming in 1976 and released it in early '77; and then they released "A New Hope" 4 years later in March of 1981. How is that "hardly years.."?

>>5403923
Not him but are you retarded?

>>5403929
No, are you? Do you have something to say or ask or are you massively insecure regarding your intellect and position in life?

>>5403935
They obviously didn't put ep4 in the original release because they didn't know the rest would be made. But they started work on empire the exact same year Star Wars came out. Sure the title change didn't happen till empire came out and it got a rerelease but that's meaningless. You tried to make it sound like there were no sequel plans and the thought of making it a series didn't happen till years later. It's wrong on every level.

>>5399274
See, the thing here is that even if you are absolutely correct and that makes the movies make a lot of sense, they are still not that fun to watch.
You can have the best, most elaborate plot in existence but it doesn't mean much if it's not an entertaining watch. It's not easy to make good films, get the right balance and stuff, that's why most movies are mediocre (consider the raw numbers, of course there are LOTS of good movies, but there are more shit or mediocre movies than good ones, even accounting for taste or so-called guilty pleasures. Same as books or videogames or artwork, really).
The prequels had a lot of fluff in them that demanded a massive level of "caring" from the viewer to be palatable. You have to be a huge fan of Star Wars to care about that stuff.

>>5403940
>But they started work on empire the exact same year Star Wars came out.

Not really. Lucas wrote some stuff and called it:"Star Wars II". Oooh lots o' work done in '77 on Empire. Sure. Do you not know that Lucas took a break right after SW before committing to ESB? Guess so.

>>5403940
>Sure the title change didn't happen till empire came out and it got a rerelease but that's meaningless.

First off, the title change happened almost a full year after ESB was released, and secondly it's not meaningless when being in the middle of a story inherently changes the overall story.

>>5403940
>You tried to make it sound like there were no sequel plans and the thought of making it a series didn't happen till years later. It's wrong on every level.

That was not my aim nor should you have interpreted it that way. It's just that his sequel plans were modest before SW was a bona fide hit, anon. Lucas is flat-out lying that he had Eps "I-III" in mind before 1993, and that's the empirical truth. He is also lying on almost every point past "Ep IV"; "Darth Vader" did indeed betray his father "General Skywalker/Starkiller"; etc. George Lucas even stated multiple times that "I-III" were not important to be made because they didn't exist anyway, i.e., Star Wars IV is truly SW1. Everything else is a retcon.

Moreover, Lucas intended "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" to be an intentionally low-budget sequel to Star Wars if SW flopped, in order to recoup lost money (heh). So when SW became a hit he basically re-wrote SW lore from the ground up to ride that gravy train until he got tired of it.

Furthermore, notice how officers call Darth Vader "sir" and not "Lord Vader", with the exception of Tarkin. Even enlisted men call him "sir" all the way through. That suddenly changed when he next see the Imperials in V. Hmmmm

The thing is this, Darth Vader was nothing but a mustached military strongarm for Tarkin, nothing more, but the ending of The Empire Strikes Back and the entirety of Return of the Jedi truly gave Vader his legendary tortured villain-hero status.

>>5400574
Who the fuck is Ethan Van Schiver?

Furthermore, notice how officers call Darth Vader "sir" and not "Lord Vader", with the exception of Tarkin. Even enlisted men call him "sir" all the way through. That suddenly changed when we next see the Imperials in V. Hmmmm

The thing is this, Darth Vader was nothing but a mustached military strongarm for Tarkin, nothing more, but the ending of The Empire Strikes Back and the entirety of Return of the Jedi truly gave Vader his legendary tortured villain-hero status.

>>5403973
go to YT and search "comic book artists pro secrets" , he shits on SJWs and crappy Nu-Wars. He's a comic book artist with good taste in SW movies and he's usually witty-funny. His sense of humor is arguably patrician.

>>5403979
Yeah, He also used to work for DC.

>>5403976
Good post(s). Also, I'm certain that Lucas had no plans to make Darth Vader the father of Luke Skywalker when he made the first movie. Darth Vader was just a moustache twirling badguy. And there is no way in hell he had decided that Leia was his sister. I mean, they motherfucking kissed. All of this was later retconned.

There were no loose ends in that movie. The evil homebase was blown up, the badguy thrown into space, and the heroes had a ceremony where they got a medal. The end. It was patently not part one of a trilogy.

>>5404140
>moustache twirling badguy

That's fucking bullshit and you know it. Guy had asian culture oozing right in front of him and held to his own tradionalist teachings without ever compromising his vision of the universe. His sense of justice is obviously twisted, to say the least, but he still has respect for those who deserved it, enemy or fellow, even moreso than most dark Jedis. He had a hell of a lot of presence in the first movie, not even comparable to Tarkin, and he was always going to live for a probable sequel.

>It was patently not part one of a trilogy.

That's why it's named Episode IV in the fucking script, ya dunce?

>>5404140
(Thanks, fren)
>Also, I'm certain that Lucas had no plans to make Darth Vader the father of Luke Skywalker when he made the first movie. Darth Vader was just a moustache twirling badguy.

Definitely.

>>5404140
>And there is no way in hell he had decided that Leia was his sister.

Spot on. That was to try and equal or possibly one-up the "I am your father" moment of ESB. Even as a kid I didn't buy it because I knew that brothers and sisters weren't supposed to tongue kiss. Still, it is what it is and I'm ok with it, but always with a sly wink.

>>5404140
>There were no loose ends in that movie. The evil homebase was blown up, the badguy thrown into space, and the heroes had a ceremony where they got a medal. The end. It was patently not part one of a trilogy.

Agreed. It was "Star Wars" and they had won it. Hey, I love the original trilogy, but it was only a trilogy as a retcon, albeit a beautifully crafted one.

>>5404161
>That's why it's named Episode IV in the fucking script, ya dunce?

I'm the other anon they are chatting to, and you need to GTFO since you haven't any real knowledge base on SW. Your statement proves as much.

>>5397390
1996-1997: I can't wait for another NiGHTS game!

>>5400827
I remember several people who used to work for EA-owned devs said something along the lines of EA tends to be simultaneously generous with money and time (though with the caveat "up to a certain point"), while at the same time unflinchingly demanding some specific features/elements be present in the game.
Worse, EA's execs have a tendency of switching focus mid-production from one feature to another (though this tends to occur mainly if development extends past roughly 2 years).
The people interviewed used the phrase "EA gives you enough rope to hang yourself with".

>>5401594
Repeating tropes is a common thing that Lucas consistently followed after in the prequels, ie "Poetry"
Doubt it was rewritten due to what you are saying. Probably was better off being subtle and implied.

"Going to pick up some milk, I'll be right back."

- American McGee's sister

>>5404140
>There were no loose ends in that movie
The movie was internally solid and works as a standalone film, and some of what happens later in the story clearly wasn't part of the original plan. But to pretend like there are no loose ends at the end of ep4 is just absolutely retarded.
>The evil homebase was blown up
No, it was a battle station. The Emperor is referenced in the movie and is not on the Death Star. He is wielding political control and dissolves the senate during the movie. Blowing up the Death Star is a huge victory to an underdog rebellion and likely inspired more systems to revolt or join the rebel alliance, but it was in no way anything close to a resolution of the civil war.
>the badguy thrown into space
Vader living is definitely a loose end. Vader kills Obi-Wan, the mentor, in a 1v1 fight and survives the final battle. Those shots explicitly portray his survival. Luke is obviously intended from the beginning to eventually fight and defeat Vader.
>the heroes had a ceremony where they got a medal
This doesn't mean anything. Have you never read a multi-part story in your life? It's extremely common for the first part to end on a high note, winning an important victory but not the war.

To sum up loose ends:
>Luke is given a lightsaber he does not use.
>Luke learns about a force he barely uses.
>Han does not pay off his debt to Jabba the Hut
>Romantic tension between Han, Luke, and Leia is left unresolved
>The war isn't over.
>Vader is not defeated.

Contrast with The Matrix, where Neo is more-or-less fully powered up by the end of the movie and has defeated Agent Smith in 1v1 combat. The only real loose end in The Matrix is the fate of humanity which is, well, not exactly as clear a conflict as a civil war between a fear-based authoritarian Empire and a plucky band of freedom fighters.

>>5401604
>Yeah, of course, he decided that after it became crazy popular to turn it into a saga. So essentially what he's saying is he had thought about backstory and was open to sequels, like most story writers ever?
You're partially right, but wrong about the most important things. Just because the story might have been changed, doesn't mean there wasn't more planned.
> the "downfall" of starwars that people talk about can be traced back to Lucas cashing in on his original hit and making ESB
Not at all. Without ESB, Star Wars would just be a notable mega-blockbuster like Sound of Music or Gone With the Wind. No games, no EU, none of that.

Star Wars clearly WAS written with future movies in mind, they just take any foolish risks like blatant cliffhangers or cumbersome titles like "A New Hope". The movie was full of world-building. The movie limited character growth, with Luke barely scratching the surface of the Jedi world by the end of the movie. The "shadow" villain was left alive, plenty of the Empire has been left unexplored and the civil war isn't over.

ESB developed the characters, developed the Empire, developed The Force, and expanded the setting. ESB absolutely nailed it. It's hard to imagine a better sequel. Luke's initial powerlevel is established in that iconic scene in the snow cave where he struggles to pull the lightsaber, he trains with Yoda and we learn more about the force, and then you have the first real lightsaber battle after the teaser in Ep4, and Luke gets his ass kicked despite a much increased power level.

You also have an incredible land battle on Hoth, something you didn't see at all in ANH, featuring new tech from both sides. You have classic space adventure with Han and Leia, and you have their great romance. You have Cloud City and Dagobah as well as Hoth. Vader being Luke's father, retcon or not, gave him much more depth and a more complex relationship with the hero.

>>5397390
It's not really Disney's fault. SJWs that infected Disney are at fault.

>>5397610
I haven't read all the way through the thread yet, but there is a high chance that Jar Jar was intended to be Darth Jar Jar, but because everyone hated Jar Jar he had to rewrite and replan everything.

>>5404162
You guys are embarassing. The fact that retcons exist is not proof that there was no plan. If you've ever been a part of any major production then you know that one reason you make a plan is to have something to change and improve based on events.

Yes, good writing avoids retcons. But think about it. How many epic multi-part movie sagas are NOT based on pre-existing novels, comics, or games? And how many of those have an epic war narrative in a fantasy setting? Almost none.

Movies are a very peculiar and expensive storytelling medium. You have schedules and deadlines and budgets in the millions, all working towards a dense, 2-hour movie. Movies require an economy of characters, economy of plot, and a focus on visual storytelling. If you need to change the plan, you change the plan.

Discovering that Lucas's story plan for the original trilogy isn't some concrete, authoritative narrative is no big revelation. There was still a story plan. It's just that when it came time to make the movies, he focused on making the movie good and was willing to refine the drafts as necessary.

almost none of this thread is about the games, you guys should be ashamed

rogue squadron was good, the super star wars games were too hard but also fun

>>5407542

>>5407542
>almost none of this thread is about the games

It's important to keep straight the history of what made those games, anon. Rogue Squadron is awesome, and I agree with your assessment of the Super games.

>>5407542
yeah thanks for pointing that out dipshit unfortunately the character count prevents me from tying each point to a videogame, or else I would. The X-Wing and TIE-Fighter flight sims are designed very closely to match the portrayal of space combat in the movies. If you watch the movies, you can hear the pilots talking about stabilizing deflectors and such. Plus you have the fantastic visual ship designs. Look at the bland, repetitive silhouettes on the Freespace 2 ship designs in pic-related. The Star Wars movies have fantastic art design.

The entire trilogy is rich with creative detail. ESB introduced TIE Bombers, Ion Cannons, AT-ATs, and AT-STs. RotJ introduced TIE Advanced, B-Wings, and Calamari Cruisers (and featured the AT-STs).

>>5407610
Indeed they did. In addition, the Prequels also introduced stuff, such as the Eta-2, the J-Type 327 royal starship, Clone Trooper Carrier ships, and the Consular class Cruiser. and then there's the pre-2014 EU.

>>5407649
If anything, the prequels had even more of that kind of world-building. Plus you had fairly clever blending of old and new aesthetics, like the TIE fighter predecessors piloted by Anakin and Obi-Wan.

>>5401374
The 2000s functionally don't exist.
It's the 90s
Then 9/11 and Iraq
Then fucking nothing until the left vs right shitflinging that's overtaken the entire English speaking world.

>>5408650
>>5401374
2000s is when the internet went mainstream. It the rise of Google and birth of youtube, social media, and World of Warcraft.

>>5398986
>I don't know why he came up with something like a pointless trade war when there could have been a better backdrop for civil war against the republic that had an actual moral basis
I always thought that that's the point, and the war was supposed to be without any basis but greed from both sides, driving Anakin to believe that Jedi and Sith are essentially the same shit from different assholes.

>>5400946
>le insect-like hivemind from outer space beg to differ
Nope.

>>5407649
>Clone Trooper Carrier ships
dat fucking space Mi-24s man, and my favorite - ARC-170

>>5403950
>Lucas is flat-out lying that he had Eps "I-III" in mind before 1993, and that's the empirical truth. He is also lying on almost every point past "Ep IV"; "Darth Vader" did indeed betray his father "General Skywalker/Starkiller"; etc. George Lucas even stated multiple times that "I-III" were not important to be made because they didn't exist anyway, i.e., Star Wars IV is truly SW1. Everything else is a retcon.

I'm curious what your source is for this. Because I wrote papers on Lucas in high school aound '92 and discussed in there how Star Wars had been planned as a large saga and had read various references for it. That was also when I came across the review from when it was new with the complaint about how it felt incomplete with Luke only starting to get a little training and then never using his lightsaber.

If you mean that Lucas didn't have a story outline very close to what we'd eventually see in the prequels then certainly that's true, but it doesn't mean he didn't have ideas and a plan for the arc of the myth.

>>5407451
We'll probably never know, I think it's likely but even without that the important take away for me is how creepy Phantom Menace is when you realize all the events are orchestrated by Palpatine to set up Anakin who never really had a chance.

>>5410223
>I'm curious what your source is for this.

Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays by Laurent Bouzereau. I also own lots of Star Wars Galaxies and Star Wars Insiders that explain as much. Oh anon, I literally have sand from the spot were Anthony Daniels played C-3PO in Tunisia. I own a still from The Empire Strikes Back that is not on the Internet (last I checked). I know me some SW.

>>5410223
>If you mean that Lucas didn't have a story outline very close to what we'd eventually see in the prequels then certainly that's true, but it doesn't mean he didn't have ideas and a plan for the arc of the myth.

He's outright admitted in after he sold it to Disney Save for his VII-IX ideas, he was spent after IV-VI and had to make I-III almost out of whole cloth in 1993/4.

>>5410223
>We'll probably never know

Lucas let slip that he had read a book where a character named Binx [sic] was a foolish acting and looking entity, but was the evil brains the entire time. Hmmm. Yeah, we know, anon.

>>5410223
>I wrote papers on Lucas in high school aound '92

You're legitimately cool for doing that at a time when people either stayed true or regarded it was a past fad. Wish I had heard it. (that reads like primo sarcasm, but I'm being serious)

>>5410252
That is super cool, I'll have to get my hands on it. I too am a life-long Star Wars fan, I was 4 and it was the first movie I ever saw. My grade 1 report card actually says that I'm good in class but need to talk less about Star Wars. And by highschool I could recite the movies word for word, I certainly wasn't widely thought of as cool. But the teacher I did my SW paper for was also a big fan and he thought it was really cool.

I'll also admit I HATED Phantom Menace when I first saw it and though I really liked Episode 2, 3 felt messy and when the do not want happened I was out for a number of years. It was hearing about the Jar Jar stuff and then taking a real look at Phantom Menace again in the context of the other movies and grew to really like it.

My biggest problem had actually been Anakin who I thought was far too plucky and happy for the kid who would grow up to be Darth Vader, that you should see some seed of darkness in him. But when you see what's going on it's just right. I felt foolish in retrospect that I hadn't given him more credit.

>>5410280
>That is super cool, I'll have to get my hands on it.

It's good for facts that tend to slip through, like ESB was known as "Star Wars II" that is in there for sure. Other statements I'm admittedly unsure exactly where they came from, I mean, so much SW after so little for so long has dulled me to the wealth of information, but maybe another good source would be "Star Wars Chronicles" by Deborah Fine which contains a sprinkle of information on the Emperor's true origins, but not much else if memory serves. (I do not have that book anymore.)

>>5410280
>I too am a life-long Star Wars fan, I was 4 and it was the first movie I ever saw. My grade 1 report card actually says that I'm good in class but need to talk less about Star Wars.

You still have that and it says that? lol That's fucking great.

>>5410280
>And by highschool I could recite the movies word for word
*cringe* ;) j/k same here..same consequences..

>>5410280
>I'll also admit I HATED Phantom Menace when I first saw it

I'll admit that I did my best to like even though it rubbed me the wrong way; etc you've heard it all. However, now it's one of my favorite SW films. Having said that, it's horrible compared to the original three. (Return of the Jedi is favorite)

>>5410280
>My biggest problem had actually been Anakin who I thought was far too plucky and happy for the kid who would grow up to be Darth Vader,

Yeah, man. Why Lucas did *start* with "III", we'll never know.

>>5410280
>But when you see what's going on it's just right.
For the first movie, I agree, but that seemed to fall apart in III. Why did he hate Obi-Wan so much? It would make more sense for him to hate Yoda and crew more. Jussayin

>>5410280
>I too am a life-long Star Wars fan, I was 4 and it was the first movie I ever saw.

It's lost to time, but that may be the case for me too, but I can't be sure like you. I do know that I remember watching some of the 1978 Holiday Special...is it possible that I saw that first? Scary thought.

>>5410280
>Episode 2, 3 felt messy

AotC is an unmitigated wreck that's fun to watch. It's got cool moments, but that's the worst SW movie of all-time..outside of The Last Jedi desu.

>>5407375
Not them, but the only loose ends after the original movie were no more loose ends than you could make about any movie. Not everything needs to be explained, and star wars to me was a slice into a deep world, but it only used the world to tell a specific story.
Stuff like Luke not becoming a master and the lack of a big lightsaber battle is more than irrelevant, it changes one of the core allegorical morals of the story about the nature of power and good vs evil.

>>5397390
>"It was like a bag of money dropped from the sky!"
- Paul Barnett on Mythic Entertainment being bought by EA

>>5409263
Well, having a valid point and being a compelling backdrop for a good story aren't always the same thing. Neutering both sides in that manner leaves the story with fewer compelling characters or factions to really care about one way or the other. The nature of the armies is part of the problem as well, as outside of the brief occupation of Naboo in Ep1, the consequences to the war are fairly minimal outside of Palpatine's rise to power (which isn't nothing but isn't enough by itself). Battle Droids are not threatening and there's zero emotional connection with the clones. Some of the bit characters are memorable but not in a way that really gets you to care about their struggles.
>>5400893
>Ewoks happening
Ewoks is the most meme complaint about that movie. There's nothing wrong with the Ewoks outside the couple of brief shots of them beating on stormtroopers with sticks. If they trigger you because "toy sales" or some external shit like that, that is your problem.

>>5410339
>Not them, but the only loose ends after the original movie were no more loose ends than you could make about any movie
Not true. If you think that, it merely means you don't understand the type of storytelling going on in the movie.
I'm not saying the loose threads are some kind of problem in the original that need to be resolved for it to be a good stand-alone story. They aren't. But they are blatantly obvious unresolved story threads.

And again, you claim it can be done with any movie and yet in my very post I pointed out one contrasting example: The Matrix. There is no equivalent of Luke's lightsaber for Neo. There's no equivalent to Vader escaping, Smith does come back in ep2, but he was soundly defeated by Neo in ep1. These are not minor details, they are major character developments.

>>5398508
No. He is a jew with an agenda.

>>5410802
>fewer compelling characters or factions to really care about one way or the other.

Not him but I saw that as kind of the point. The clone wars weren't a "normal" conflict where both sides were fighting for something they thought was meaningful. They were both being manipulated by Palpatine just to start a war for war's sake so he could benefit from it. That's why at the end of AotC Yoda is depressed, because they won a battle but it was hollow and only going to lead to more war which was the point in the first place.

>>>/tv/

>>5411061
Beat me to it.

>>5411061
>>5411152
Both of you retards were "beaten to it" by this guy: >>5407542

>>5402916
This. If there was is such a thing as there being something shameful about playing games on easy, SESB would be one of the exceptions. Easy in that is challenging, occasionally quite hard, while medium quickly ramps it up to absolute BS levels.

>>5411252
I played them on normal and enjoyed them a lot, but if it does feel like bs then probably easy is a good option. Would be a shame to pass up on them over pride in not picking easy mode or something.

>>5408393
Those look so much cooler than tie fighters

>>5412861
No, they don't. You just like them because they're newer. They look like someone mashed Vader's TIE with the Falcon. Yay.

>>5410302
>>5410315
I still really like AotC, though I know it's controversial but partly it's that I really nlike Hayden Christenson's Anakin. He gets that same sort of whinyness Luke had but more unhinged. Episode 3 is where it really falls apart though and I agree that his reaction of Obi Wan feels off. I do think though that overall the two trilogies are quite good and to me that's all Star Wars is. I used to be into all sorts of the expanded universe stuff, especially the Thron trilogy but it all just feels like unconnected fan fiction now. I absolutely despise the Disney movies. Not because I have a hate on for Disney, but they don't feel like Star Wars to me.

>>5410306
That is a scary thought! I remember having thought the Ewok movie was legit awesome until I sought it out again just before the prequels came out.

>>5400094
So what? Why do you goofs act like 20 year old source code would be some kind of use to anybody

>>5413006
>They look like someone mashed Vader's TIE with the Falcon.
No not really.

>>5397390
>excited about all the possibilities that Disney brings!
Said by fucking no one in regards to Star Wars games ever, you lying revisionist nigger. Take your gay thread back to >>>/v/

>>5414086
>Literally the statement of the company upon accquisition
>N-nobody said that!
... you were saying something about /v/?

>>5397610
>Many (even the characters in the film) wonder why the fuck Palpatine would ask for Jedi to come and deal with a trade dispute.
the current chancellor, Valorum, ordered the jedi to investigate, actually

>>5414086
There have been more good Disney based games than Star Wars based games though and that's a god damned fact.

>>5415839
No, it's extremely wrong.

>>5411252
Playing any game on easy should bring you great shame.

>>5398728
Kids yesterday couldn't either dummy, that's why they have a reputation for being difficult

>>5415839
>Kingdom Hearts series
>Aladdin on SNES / Genesis
>Any of Capcom's Disney Afternoon titles
>Castle of Illusion
That's pretty much all of the good ones I can think of. There are still far more good Star Wars games out there, even if you're only counting games released in the 90s.

>>5418782
Most Star Wars games were pretty shitty from what I played of them.

>>5419494
Somehow N64 has most of the good ones

>>5397390
>devolved into a star wars thread

>>5397608
That never happened you retard

>>5398490
Supet star wars are so fucking good. If you dont think so, then you suck at video games and should be playing baby games like mario or zelda, not because they are bad games, but because they are for literal children such as yourselves.

>>5400150
Kek, its hilarious how their brains can muster such idiocy. Sometimes i feel empathy for their impotence, but then they spout hardily incompetent slush as an attack towards the other and i remember why i hate their infantile ilk.

>>5401372
>>5408650
>18 years have passed
>Lardy boys still crying about their shitty towers

>>5421409
Not even American but if you don't think 9/11 marked a paradigm shift, you're very mistaken.

>>5420096
The truth hurts.

Disney-era Lucasfilm is really great except for shutting down LucasArts and handing the Star Wars license to EA.

Legends EU was mediocre most of the time but when it was great, it was really great while the games were amazing.
For Disney canon, it's the opposite: The new EU is really great but the games are absolute shit.

>>5410315
Episode II is the best one outside of the original trilogy.
>>5413443
And agreed Hayden's Anakin is a GOAT performance.

>there will never be another good Indiana Jones game

>pretending the prequels aren't fucking hog shit to tear down the new ones

Star Wars is only said to be complex and deep by manchildren insecure about watching movies for kids.

>>5423314
Are you defending disney wars? Lol

>>5423770
In ten years when another trilogy you will be here defending Disney wars because now the new stuff really is garbage.

>>5423856
I'm sure a bunch of people will but they won't be me. Force Awakens was awful but I was willing to see where they were going and if they could have it make sense. Then Rogue One felt like empty fanservice fluff and Last Jedi was a complete train wreck. I won't be wasting time watching another.

If others watch and enjoy them that's cool in my books, but it doesn't feel anything like Star Wars to me anymore and even of I'm the only one who thinks so I don't consider them canon. Two trilogies is plenty, I don't need it to be continued for the sake of continuing.

>>5423856
No. Rubbish remains rubbish regardless of when it was made. You don't see people defending Ewoks or the Star Wars Holiday Special, do you?

>>5424096
I guess you werent around when everyone was calling the prequels the worst thing ever.

The ewok adventure was great, timeless art. I was so scared of the dinosaur thing

>>5397390
>oh yeah, and we almost did a Metroid Prime game with Bandai Namco.

>>5424134
I was, they were shit back then, they're shit now and the Disney films are also shit.

>>5397610
>Star Wars fan theory

>>5398490
They’re not disliked. They constantly rank on the best game lists

>>5397390
Here is something I have been wondering ALL my life. How much was George involved in Lucas Arts?
That fat man shaped my entire childhood and kinda who I am. Star Wars 4-6 and Indiana Jones 1-3 meant the world to me and to this very day (I am 32) are among my favourite movies. It just never gets old. I've just watched Raiders yesterday and it is still so good.
Anyway I also loved the fuck out of every Lucas point and click adventure. The art styles, the way they told stories. LOVED IT.
If I saw Lucas Arts I knew it was quality. Only company I really purchased from back in the day.

So how much was fat boy George involved? Please post as much background knowledge you have.

Also Indiana Jones is such a strong IP, how much there aren't many Indy games? Desktop adventures was fun when it came out, the NES games are awful, the atari game is awful, the point and click adventures are amazing, incredible machine or what's the English title again because I know incredible machine is a totally different game (can I get this for Switch, please), it was called the Tower of Bable here and also the Emperors Tomb where fun Indie games. Still they could have made more. Indie existed before Lara Croft and also way before Uncharted. Missed opportunities here and now it's a dead franchise.

I remember some videos of some engine they did for an Indy game in like 2007. Throw people different ways. We never got that game. Probably become Staff of Kings for the PSP which I can't really remember at all. Also had a Wii version.

>>5397610
My complaint about the prequels was mainly the script. I saw a lot of what you describe here, but Lucas cannot write to save his life. The stuff Anakin is made to say in particular, both Cristensen's and Lloyd's roles, is just the cringiest shit.


With Disney I have the opposite complaint. Disney hires good individual talent. I thought the disney movies were a mashup of well written and gorgeous scenes that did not add up to a meaningful story. 8 was the worst by far, it was just one left wing messaging skit after another. I liked rogue 1 and Han's movie though.

>>5425054
>George! You can type this shit, but you sure can't say it!
t. harrison ford

I do totally agree with you there as well. Lucas has great ideas and made us some truly wonderful movies, but he's a pretty poor writer and not a much better director.

>>5424096
Ewoks: The Batttle for Endor was a great little fairy tale flick.

>>5425054
Totally true Kid Anakin's lines.

>>5425054
I always thought that the options menu from Star Wars X-Wing looked more like a shopping mall from the Land of Oz than the hangar of a military ship.

10/10 comfy, though.

>>5397608
>TLJ/Solo debacle
for anyone else that will have to websearch:
its SW films from 2017 and 2018 that apparently didnt sell well.

>>5426301
It sold well, the problem is that Disney didn't buy Lucasfilm to sell well, they bought it to crack box office records with every film.

>>5423865
>Rogue One is empty fanservice
>The only genuinely Star Wars-feeling movie is empty fanservice
Based retard.

>>5424981
Fucking ignore me, you niggas.

>>5426454
Why doesn't Solo hold up all that well? Yeah, it was a $50million loss(perhaps even more) but I still like it more than both TPM and AOTC. I sure didn't have much liking for L337 and some of Albreich's deliveries when it comes to dialog falls flat. Still, you see Lando mentioning the Sharu while making an audio log, security droids in action, Han's old girlfriend betraying him near the end as she goes to Dathomir as per Darth Maul's orders, and a somewhat younger Chewbacca.

>>5400072
He's not wrong. For as shitty as they were, they atleasr felt like they took place in the same universe. The sequels feel like Star Wars skinned marvel films.

Oddly enough, even as shitty as Alden Ehrenwhatever was, Solo and Rogue One feel like they fit too.

>>5413507
>Fan made campaigns.
>Enhanced compatibility on current gen hardware.
>Mods galore
>VR patches like with Doom/Quake/Quake 2.

You'd have to be a fucking brainlet with no imagination to NOT see how having the source would be good for fans.

>>5397390
A perfect analogy of the current Star Wars franchise is the movie Ratatouille. Gusteau is definitely Lucas, Skinner is Kathleen Kennedy/Disney. The original creator built something magical that anyone could enjoy, but it began to slip. After the creator passed it on and now the new owner is pimping out Star Wars burritos and taquitos.

>>5426615
This is one level of pathetic below Harry Potter analogies.

>>5426542
As bad as a lot of the writing in the first six movies was, you could feel it was the hand of George Lucas. A lot of the bad cheese came hand in hand with the good stuff and I think even if you don't love Star Wars or think the prequels were shit it still all feels like his vision.

The new movies don't feel like they have any vision other than just continuing the universe and tying it together with cameos and callbacks. But the whole thing feels like it was written by a committee and none of the characters really feel unique.

>>5426652
No.

>>5426615
I've never seen Ratatouille that sounds about right.

>>5400032
I don't honestly mind most of TPM, but I never understood that shit in end. What was even the point of the plains battle? The main force was a all-or-nothing infiltration mission, the ships got into space immediately, and it seems like all of the droids in the field had just been sitting around in storage deactivated anyway and wouldn't have caused any real trouble before the space team got them shut down(and if space team failed there wasn't a future for ground team anyway with or without them.)
What fucking purpose did it serve to start a huge battle outside the city when it didn't even serve as a distraction? Was it just a sideplot by the nabbies to cull out more toadbois?

>>5427442
Palpatine needed a real battle so he could foment tension and unrest in the gakaxy. He had set both sides against each other in the first place, it didn't even matter who won just that it caused a huge mess.

It's a funny irony that the battle looks like a kid playing with a bunch of toys because that's pretty much all that was happening.

>>5398490
i've beaten the 1st and 3rd one multiple times. It's just a combination of "figure out how to cheese this spot" and "get lucky" which many people aren't going to deal with these days. The music and graphics were top notch in most of the games.

>>5408650
2000s don't exist?
>the shift to dynamic web content: vlogs and video content (youtube launched 2005, the birth of social media (myspace), the globalization of the internet (every ESL tard on this site started learning english in the 2000s, reality television
>the death of tradcon as a platform, muh first black president
>THE financial crisis that is still affecting things 11 years later
>Gas prices pushing down the size of vehicles and travel opportunities

that's just a few things i remember off the top of my head. the 2000s overall were shitty but there was a lot going on. it's just hard to see because it has not been long enough to judge

>>5428297
That doesn't explain why all the toads went out there into the field to do it. They could've just shown up in small numbers, thrown a bunch of crap at whatever was on guard duty on the city periphery, and ran away - would've accomplished every bit as much as the huge battle and deaths did.
The only reason I can come up with for why Amidala would even bother to talk them into it was because she wanted to cut down the number of Gungans running around. It's not like the little swampfuckers were no guts no glory types - they were happy in their mud pools. Palpatine might've wanted that shit, sure, but what purpose did it serve to even bother engaging the army? It wasn't a distraction or diversion, it wasn't a legit offensive, it wasn't a delaying or holding action, why the fuck did they do it?

>>5408650
>t. barely legal scrub
Yeah, I get it, too young to remember and all that shit, but come on, zoomer