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Idk about best game series, but for the first gave the technology was unparalleled, the gameplay sublime, and the timing couldn't have been better.

>DOOM is one of if not the best game series ever
>DOOM
are you retarded? a fucking fps, let alone an edgy fps, could never be the best of anything.
Eat a bowl of fuck you bluepilled mongoloid.

its pretty good. finding keys is ok, and helps makes things different. it has the blueprint of how to make a proper shooters. there's not really much bad to say about it unless you dislike shooters or maze-gameplay, but it was the norm back then for that. its a shooter though, so i dont know if its that important

>>5389183
shut the fuck up and chill down

>>5389189
dont engage him, he's the sega widow poster.

>>5389161
correct

>>5389161
No shit. Though I will say that I will always be amazed at how well the first Doom holds up. I've played through it full classic style with the original mouse controls with the Chocolate Doom port and in ZDoom with modern controls and full mouselook and a cross-hair and both times were fantastic. It's insane how well Id nailed the gamefeel and level design. Compare it to the original Wolfenstein, that game feels old, Doom still feels fresh.

>>5389161
I thought the consensus here was that only the first episode is really good. The others are just mediocre.

>>5389539
Pretty much nothing from the original games stands up when you compare it against some of the better custom levelsets.

I wouldn't call the other episodes (and 2) bad, just not as consistently good as E1.

>>5389161
Doom invented or was highly instrumental in the early days of: the FPS genre, online multiplayer gaming, online game matchmaking (DWANGO), esports (Deathmatch '95 was the first "worldwide" game tournament), speedrunning as well as tool-assisted speedrunning (the term "TAS" was invented in the context of Doom), and establishing the IBM-compatible PC as a cutting-edge game platform.

It's still the greatest of all time even when you separate it from how important and influential it is.

>>5390213
Other things it helped invent: F2P as a distribution and marketing model, game moddability as an explicit feature, the concept of a "game engine" that would be reused for multiple game and was considered an asset in itself.

>>5389183
based and redpilled
unreal tournament, although not as old, is just a better game, a better fps and doesn't try to be dark and edgy.

>>5390226
Unreal Tournament isn't even the best Arena FPS. It's basically "we threw a bunch of random content into a box that looked cool" the video game. Which is fine if you're just running around the levels with your brain turned off shooting bots, I guess, but the game design does not hold up under scrutiny. id software's early games had incredible base gameplay that had the unfortunate distinction to often be paired with levels or gametypes that didn't take full advantage of said gameplay.

People made levels and mods for Doom and Quake in order to push the game systems further than the designers intended. People made levels for Unreal Tournament just to make a level that looked cool, maybe even as resume fodder so they could get a job in the game industry.

Doom is definitely NOT the best game series ever, but I agree that it is very important. Tbh, the best game series is probably Mario, and I say that as a PCfag/Sonyfag.

Is this the FPS general?

Why is Quake 2 so fucking shit? It's worse than Q1 in every single way

>>5389161
Quake was more important. We still see the technology in Quake in use today. Almost nothing from Doom exists in the industry anymore.

>>5392128
Quake 2 is kinda fun once you learn that b-hopping sends you light speed but with basically no air control, and some of the weapons are nice (railgun, supershotgun). But yeah I put off playing it for a while because Quake 1 is so much better

>>5392346
bsp trees nigga

>>5389161
The series? Nah, not even close. Doom 2 = glorified expansion pack, doom 3 = system shock 2 except shit, d44m = dude rip and tear lmao just turn off your brain ha ha

The original game? Massively influential, probably the most important game of all time.
Vanilla (or chocolate) doom is pretty tame and boring by today's standards, even compared to build engine games of mid-late 90s. Literally everyone plays a limit removing source port with gameplay mods on top and map packs to boot. That's where the game still shines, by having more content released for it annually than autist waifufags make for bethesda games.

>>5392346
Doom didnt invent these things sure but ffs to say nothing from Doom still gets used today is absurd.
>What is a game with a gun
Quake didn't introduce 3D graphics and Doom didn't introduce fps but Doom still has a shitload of things in common with games made today.

>>5389183
>BASED ZOOMER BLOWS THE FUCK OUT OF DELUSIONAL /VR/ BOOMER FUCKHEADS (MUST WATCH 2019)

>>5389183

>>5389161
I agree it's important and influential. Never found it entertaining or worthwhile myself so I guess I can't agree it's the "best"

>>5394230
I don't want to live on this planet anymore. Zoomers have such monumentally shitty opinions. It's like they feed on being contrarian shitsticks.

I wish I had played it when I was young, and I still have yet to play the original, but I played Doom 64 last year as my first Doom game, I don't like shooters much at all but Doom is pretty sick.

>>5389161
im only 23 so wasnt really around for doom too much. Closest thing was i had the demo of quake 2 on an old as fuck PC when i was like 5-6.
Played DOOM 2016 and loved it so decided i'd try the classic.
When i played it the controls seemed so fucked with how you aimed and moved compared to current games. Did i have something screwed up in settings or is that how it is and its just so jarring because i never experienced it?

>>5389161
>Open Debate: DOOM is one of if not the best game series ever
No. For the FPS genre, maybe. It's certainly has a lasting appeal.
>and one of the most important games
No doubt about it.

>>5394608
It feels fine to me. Probably feels off if you're not used to it, but the only big difference is no vertical aiming (which is fine). Give it a bit more time and double check you don't have anything weird turned on in the settings.

>>5394893
alright ill give it another look.
It just felt like moving and aiming were weirdly independent of each other or something (i cant describe accurately as it was several months ago i tried)

>>5389161

agreed

still playable today

**especially trying to play with out saving often like when we were kids

its like a new indie FPS game playing it via

WASD + mouselook

except its the original that spawned the genre!!!

>>5389161
I wouldn't say it's the absolute best game ever, but it's arguably the greatest FPS of all time.
>>5389183
t. RPG weeb
>>5389534
Wolfenstein's biggest problem is just the maze-like level design. It's so easy to get lost if you're not playing in ECWolf and using the map feature. I actually like Wolfenstein 3D better than Doom aside from that, but there's no way I can go back to the original DOS version now.

>>5394204
>The series? Nah, not even close. Doom 2 = glorified expansion pack
You're thinking of Ultimate or Final Doom. Doom 2 was the perfect sequel. It wasn't revolutionary from a graphics point of view, but it greatly expanded and refined the original's gameplay through the expanded bestiary and super shotgun, and it made the decades of custom maps that came afterwards that much better.

> Vanilla (or chocolate) doom is pretty tame and boring by today's standards, even compared to build engine games of mid-late 90s. Literally everyone plays a limit removing source port with gameplay mods on top and map packs to boot. That's where the game still shines, by having more content released for it annually than autist waifufags make for bethesda games.
No, just the map packs. I can't think of a single gameplay mod, outside of maybe a mappack-specific custom monster or two, that improves on the original balance. That's why Doom 2 was so perfect, because they actually improved on the original without screwing up the fundamentals.

>>5389161
Can't argue with that.

>>5396084
>Wolfenstein's biggest problem is just the maze-like level design. It's so easy to get lost if you're not playing in ECWolf and using the map feature. I actually like Wolfenstein 3D better than Doom aside from that, but there's no way I can go back to the original DOS version now.
My problem with Wolf is that even when you have a map, you're just in a gigantic maze with very little environment variety. It's a problem inherent to the engine, because you can't do shit-else with 90 degrees walls and no Z-axis. Plus weapon progression sucked and all used the same ammo pool, and most enemies were godawful hitscanners, but that could've been fixed I guess.

>>5396306
>Plus weapon progression sucked and all used the same ammo pool
I don't really mind that since all the weapons feel satisfying to me, even the pistol.
>and most enemies were godawful hitscanners
That actually makes me enjoy it more. Even a few guards can clean your clock if they come up behind you, and it makes things feel really tense. The hitscan enemies were always my favorites to fight in Doom, so a game of almost nothing but hitscanners is perfect for me.

>>5389161
As a series it sucks though.

>>5396278
sorry man, 1 new gun + a handful of new enemies (really great enemies for the most part) does not a sequel make. If it was running on a weird frankenstein transitional engine that's using quake's code it might have been a convincing case. Doom 2 is still a great game, but it's a rushed sequel cash-grab that's basically an expansion pack.

>No, just the map packs. I can't think of a single gameplay mod, outside of maybe a mappack-specific custom monster or two, that improves on the original balance.
I do play Scythe and Scythe 2 with nothing but Smooth Doom and Ketchup, with freelook OFF and autoaim ON every now and then, but you gotta remember Doom came out when the enxt closest thing to it was Wolf 3D with keyboard aiming, and 3-4 hitscan enemy types that were hardware limited to never appear in groups larger than 4. Never mind the nitty gritty of wolfenstein, point is we didn't know how to circlestrafe, how to SR40 and how to not die from own rocket launcher splash damage in 1993. IT BROKE NEW GROUND. But all of doom's monster roster are so easily baited, cheesed and out fucking skilled by any 13 year old zoomer who played a cawadoody online match once these days. As a microcosm of excellent game design it still holds up (minus some of the level design, Sandy Peterson), but cmon, for a modern vidya gaymer there's barely anything left to be stimulated by.

>>5392128
Quake 2 has a shittier single player compared to Quake 1, but the multiplayer for quake 2 is top tier

If it wasn't for the modding community I'd disagree. But thanks to them, you could play nothing but Doom for the rest of your life and not miss out on much.

>>5396989
quake 2 is the eternal redheaded step child, but yeah quake 2 MP is better than vanilla quake 3, still not as good as CPMA or quakeworld

>>5389161
>DOOM
What a funny way to spell QUAKE.

Plays better than todays AAA garbage all these decades later

i stopped to watch this for 45 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBU34NZhW7I

>>5397054

For MP

Q1 > Q2 > Q3

>>5389161
*Blood