/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[2-16] Bungie's Pathways Into Darkness rebuilt in Aleph One
http://simplici7y.com/items/aleph-one-pathways-into-darkness

[2-21] SM192 released for Quake released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61692

[2-19] Colorful Hell updated to 0.96, introducing a new tier and more
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&start=705#p1092145

[2-18] SIGIL delayed until April
https://rome-ro.squarespace.com/news/2019/2/16/sigil-update

[2-13] NBlood released, an open-source port of Blood modeled off EDuke32
https://twitter.com/nukeykt/status/1095422953334857728

[2-10] Evilternity updated to final release
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103425-final-release-eviternity/

[2-9] BTSX E3 screenshots
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557-back-to-saturn-x-episode-3-wip/

[2-9] Quake2XP receives an update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp/downloads/quake2xp-1269-beta2

[2-8] Sunder and Deus Vult II resume development
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/45774-dvii-second-edition-underway-its-time/?do=findComment&comment=1960915
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder/?do=findComment&comment=1961207

[2-8] XLEngine on Github
https://github.com/Mindwerks/XLEngine

[2-8] New DBP project: Mindblood Genesis
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104171-mindblood-genesis-dbp08-released-a-limit-removing-project-from-doomer-boards/

[2-5] Doomba - Roombas used for mapping
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103677-roomba-mod-will-map-your-house-and-then-make-it-into-a-doom-map/

[2-3] Anon map release: SCRAP
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1cbnp4m1c9w1auu/SCRAP.wad/file

[2-2] Neural-upscaled textures for Quake 2
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/quake-2-upscaled-pack

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>>5386839
Cuz they don't know what binary space partition is, then look at Wolfenstein 3D, which they know is raycasted, and assume that Doom is just that but upgraded.

How do I work up the energy to map?

HEY GUYS

Doom fun

Which wads do you think have overall the best music?

>>5386648
Aren't they merging with GZDoom or something?

>>5386881
Tell us something we don't know

Do your worst with it /vr/

>>5386887
Wasnt marrub making a client-server code for GZDoom based on Zandy?

How do guys feel about the possibility of a future SiN remaster? It was being discussed in the last threads final moments

>>5386843
Powerslave EX mouse fix released (meaning Windows 10 users can enjoy Powerslave with mouselook again)
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/1218-powerslave-ex-fix/
What a fantastic game by the way, glad to be replaying it with mouse.

>>5386842
translation on what hes thinking in the thread pic?

>>5386876
see a map? try to one up it

>>5386883
the ones with the tracker music

I got bored last week and decided to replace Project Brutality sounds and taunts with Terry Davis quotes. I'm quite happy with how it turned out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOpx6QY3k_I

>>5386918
Nice

>>5386915
>try to one up it
thanks i'll just kill myself now

>>5386918
Blessed mod.

>>5386889
Wolfenstein fun

>>5386932
Which one?

>>5386918
F

>>5386932
Incorrect opinion

>>5386918
F
Schizophrenia is a hell of a drug

>>5386940
all of them

>>5386945
no u

>>5386912
thingken about caco

>>5386858
To be fair it's not the bsp tree that makes doom not raycasting. It's the fact that the renderer works on a per-wall basis. The bsp tree simply optimizes this process. The build engine is similar in this respect but uses a different world data structure.

>>5386925
>>5386930
>>5386943
>>5386948
Just updated the pk3. There were some duplicate sound clips that made it niggerlicious.

Prove me wrong

>>5387135
e2 and e3 are just unmemorable poop. doom 1 as a whole is too easy compared to final doom.

>>5387135
I like Doom 64 most

>>5387154
Ascended

>>5387147
Final Doom is the hardest but that doesn't make it the best.

Master Levels episode is better and more consistent than TNT change my view

>>5387135
where's no rest for the living

>>5387172
Can't. I never played it.

>>5387172
the shit I took yesterday was better and more consistent than TNT.

>>5387175
Play it as an episode. There a couple hiccups like the fireplace puzzle, but it gets way too much shit what it is. Also Black Tower is pretty damn sweet not gonna lie

Have you replayed custom maps? if so, how many times?

>>5387189
I replay Scythe 2 all the time up until the jungle base episode, at least

>>5387189
I often replay 300mins of /vr/. Lots of good maps. Nothing super fancy, just plain solid dooming.

Whats the difference between Project Brutality and Brutal Doom

>>5387248
>Project Brutality
Monster randomization, more weapons, last version I played was slightly better balanced
>Brutal Doom
Has more new meme features, less content.

>>5387135
Plutonia may be divisive, but it's hardly a contrarian choice. It's had an undeniable influence on mappers.

>>5387189
Currently in the process of replaying BTSX E1. Up to E1M17.

>>5386894
>marrub
hah, nah

>>5386672
I'd personally put something with "wad" or something similar in the name e.g. WadWaker, GensWad, Shodaw (wad backwards).

Is it odd that I find most retro shooters (Doom 1/2, Heretic, Duke Nukem, Quake, etc.) very easy, but Doom 2016 hard? All the boomers said retro games were more hardcore

>>5387189
I replay BTSX E1 a lot, mostly just Underground Initiations though

>>5387298
it means you're an old fart who has trouble adapting to modern games
c:

>>5387298
Ironically, most people who make such claims tend to also be absolute plebs at Plutonia and Blood, I've noticed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9xbAfxfGHM

Does anyone see any potential in a total conversion based on Journey to Silius for NES? I don't have the skills to make something like that just yet but I feel it would certainly be rad to take its elements such as weapons, plot thrust, environments, tone, etc. and reimagine it as an FPS.

>>5387298
doom 2016 has a lot of in-between bullshit that adds artificial difficulty like having to jump around a demons back to shoot him and the fatality animations. plus every enemy takes twice the amount of shots to kill. but then that also means less enemies on screen

>>5387406
>having to use your movement skills in a game built around movement is artificial difficulty

>>5387406
Well, it's not like Doom 1993 where you could have a hundred enemies on the battle field, it's limited to just 12 at once, so they had to make the enemies a bit beefier.

>>5387429
>Well, it's not like Doom 1993 where you could have a hundred enemies on the battle field
you mean, what never happened in doom 1993?

>>5387431
I meant the 1993 engine. There were parts with dozens of enemies in Doom 2 and Final Doom. I don't know what the technical limit was, but certainly much higher than 12, which was my point.

>>5387418
Anyone that uses the phrase artificial difficulty to describe anything related to game design is probably an idiot or a troll.

>>5387189
All maps from DTWID
Best pwad imho

>>5387437
Its generally used by people who refuse to admit that they need to improve their skills, so they blame the game instead.

>>5387298
>what is pistolstart
>>5387329
Milo's Plutonia maps (which comprise more than a half of it) are not that hard. They, however, heavily require you to think things through.

I know that having vertical aiming, is not the exactly true way to play doom. Howerer I just can't play without vertical aiming and auto-aim off. It just feels like cheating.

>>5386883
Which movie was this from? Looks familiar.

>>5386912
> Doūmusureiya
Seems that he's thinking about himself

>>5387172
>>5387176
It's kind of surreal that TNT has both maps, that could be from shovelware map pack and maps that have great gameplay even to this day. I still have trouble believing, that the first 10 maps and the last 10 maps belong to the same wad.

>>5386895
>nothing about fixing bugs

Not gonna expect too much.

>>5387467
Just don't hit shootswitches that aren't level with you and you'll be legit enough.

>>5387467
Actually, turning off auto-aiming IS basically cheating. Because this means that you can target enemies that are in the back, without having having to shoot through enemies in the front. So leave it on.

>>5386195
Yes, it should be possible, at least on Boom-based ports. Valiant has a quite large roster of new monsters, in which many of them don't replace standard monsters. You can replace any object with new monster, but you kind of need to do some fuckery to get all the extra frames from somewhere I think.

Eternity Engine lets you add infinite amount of new monsters tho, and new weapon support is supposed to be added there some day.

>>5387467
Again, point in case, Plutonia, Milo's maps. There is SO MUCH tied to the auto-aim-cutoff distance there, playing with vertical aiming makes you miss like 1/3 of the overall picture at the very least.

>>5387154
Divine taste

>>5387154
Doom 64 has memorable aesthetics, but none of the mappers in it were all that good or interesting. There wasn't a CHARACTER there of Petersen's or Romero's magnitude, they were just some dudes that made some maps.

>>5387154
Doom 64 felt bit boring to me. Textures felt too samey and the monster encounters weren't that interesting due the lack chaingunners, revenants and arch-viles. Mostly the game wants to throw hell knights and barons on you, so the combat feels grindy, but never interesting enough. It's ok game, but just not for me. I'd rather play any other official classic Doom release. Even Evilution or Master Levels.

>>5387462
>>what is pistolstart
This. It give the later episodes some intensity. You need to really start mapping out your route and picking up weapons to you right away, or power-ups. I am on episode 4 at the moment with my no save pistol start run and good lord some of these levels. Thankfully they give you some decent amount of resources here and there so you can pick up like 50 rockets in a single level which you can quickly use since you know you won't be carrying them to the next level.

>>5387484
Yea, I'll never do that. That is some real cheating. I'll never jump in combat or to reach areas either, even though I like to give some weird pleasure to my adhd brain by jumping around when moving from one place to another.

>>5387486
Still it does feel more cheating, if you don't have to worry about your vertical mouse position at all. If we start nitpicking it's also cheating to play at higher resolution than 320x240 since you can see into more far away than in vanilla. I'd say that it gives you even more advantage than vertical aiming.

>>5387530
> if you don't have to worry about your vertical mouse position at all.
But of ocurse you don't. That's how it's supposed to be played. It's a gameplay thing, while resolution is just graphical thing.

> I'd say that it gives you even more advantage than vertical aiming.
Not always... Let's imagine a hypothetical situation:
You enter a room. There is a bunch of pinkies in front of you. And a bunch of imps on an elevated platform in the back of a room.
The supposed scenario of this encounter is that you would have to kill pinkies first, while dodging both their bites AND imps fireballs, and only when you thinned out the pinkies, you can start shooting at imps.
But if you don't have auto-aiming, the whole thing breaks, because now you can just immediately start shooting at imps!

This isn't exactly nitpicking, because auto-aim is an important feature of the game, just as much as the lack of jumping, and many encounters were designed around it. Both in official wads and fanmade ones (especially early on)

>>5387536
>while resolution is just graphical thing.
Very wrong. I challenge you to play with 320x240. There is a really big difference, when you actually need to move closer to see enemies, that are stationed much far away. I started playing Doom, when I still played it in dos. I have much of experience of that resolution. I don't use low resolution anymore though. It really gives you advantage, but I just want a bit modernized experience. There is just some things I can't anymore go back to. Filters, dynamic lights and gameplay mods go into too modern territory for me though.

>because now you can just immediately start shooting at imps!
Just because I can, doesn't mean that I have to. I just don't want the advantage that auto-aim gives.

>>5387543
But it isn't an advantage if it's default feature!
If anything, you're just giving yourself a dis-advantage by disabling it!

>>5387510
I think the consistency of Doom 64's maps is one of its strongest points, actually. They have a clear central concept and make good use of the expanded engine features like room-over-room and randomization.

>>5387520
Disagree, I think the monster setup is well thought out, though maybe that's just me being burnt out on Chaingunners, Revenants and Archviles after so many fan wads spamming them. Still, Shadow Imps fill the role of dangerous chaff without hitscanning you, which in my mind makes them an improvement over Chaingunners. The buffed Pain Elementals serve the role of the endless threat that Archviles usually provide, and while Hell Knights and Barons are just chunky imps they're not particularly grindy to get through because 64 is much more generous with Cells and Rockets than Doom 1 and 2 were. With the addition of more environmental hazards to spice up the level design, I think there's a strong argument to be made for 64 being the best one.

>>5387467
I'm frustrated that GZDoom changed autoaim to a slider instead of Always - Never. Have to go into gameplay options to turn off autoaim each time I start up GZDoom because the slider doesn't wrap around from 35 to 0, so I have to manually scroll through all 36 notches if I want to turn autoaim on/off in player setup now. Who even uses the middle settings?

>>5387548
>If anything, you're just giving yourself a dis-advantage by disabling it!
Nope. You can choose not to abuse the feature, but you can not decline the help that the feature gives you. Sure it's a default feature vanilla, but since build engine games I just can't go back. I see the possibility to "cheat" as lesser evil, since I can refuse it. But I can't refuse the help, that the auto-aim gives, and that's the problem. It feels much better when you kill monsters with your own aim, instead with help of auto-aim. Much like it feels much better to play in higher difficulties instead of lower ones.

I can understand if you do not want to disable auto-aim. These are matters of taste. It's ok. It's not like you are full purist either, since you use the higher resolution just like me.

Autoaim is for source ports where you can't aim up and down. That's it.

>>5387556
Just use the mouse and click'n'drag it.

>>5387189
TNT: Revilution.

>>5387467
You can, vertical mouselook/noaim destroys the gameplay. Doom actually is much nicer without him.

Has anyone here had Jon St John record Duke lines for them?

I’m considering gathering a whole bunch of lines from various boards and getting him to record them, and releasing it as a community whatever, but I don’t know what the cost would be like.

>>5387467
Note: Heretic and Hexen both had vertical aiming (made same way as in Duke).
Hexen has jumping.
Both Heretic and Hexen have flight artifacts.

>>5387680
Getting him to record some exclusive lines for Samsara (or better yet, a spiritual sequel to Samsara) would be dope as fuck. Imagine him asking Corax if he came from a Star Trek convention, or telling Doomguy he found him up to his ears in a barrel of nukage that one time. Imagine his reaction to the cereal man and his snot monster enemies. Fucking 10/10 potential.

>>5387680
Your best bet would be asking LGR to impersonate him.

>>5387686
That’s the kind of shit I want. Duke talk, for those Easter eggs where you stumble across something.
Also a slew of classic Simpsons references. I wanna hear Duke say “more testicles means more iron”

And maybe throw in some baneposting. Dr Pavel, I’m Duke Nukem!

>>5387469
Lost boys

>>5387686
>>5387694
Ultimate Torment And Torture had that Duke voice imitation. Not sure who did it. Maybe Tormentor667 himself.

>>5387437
>>5387458
Shortsighted comments, to be honest. You should venture outside of your comfort zone for games more often and you will notice how many games have artificial difficulty.
To name a few:
-Dwarf Fortress
-Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead
-XCom
-Dark Souls

What are some fun lesser discussed wads? Someone brought up Scythe 2 previously so I've been playing through the first one and it's pretty neat.

>>5387135
That's stupid.

>>5387510
>There wasn't a CHARACTER there of Petersen's or Romero's magnitude
Actually I agree on that.

>>5387731
The Scythe WADs are well-known though, they're probably not talked about as much anymore since most discussion at this point has likely passed.

>>5386893
Thank you, I needed this.

>>5386883
I can think of lots of .wads with some really good music to them:
>TNT Evilution
>TNT Revilution
>Plutonia 2
>Alfonzone
>Icarus Alien Vanguard
>Crucified Dreams
>Eternal Doom had a few good tunes
>Double Impact
>Epic 2
>Action Doom 2 : Urban Brawl
>THT Threnody
>Bloodstain
>Hellcore 2.0

>>5387741
I haven't actually played them, so I wouldn't mind talking about them once I do.

>>5387729
-Super Mario Bros
-Tetris
-Tic-Tac-Toe
-VRChat

like holy shit how would you know how to move a mouse and push this one specific button on it to exit this vr chat thing, bad controls i'd uninstall it right now if i could figure out this artificially difficult operating system. why cant more games come out on Macs windows sucks

Choose /vr/:

>Misri Halek (Alien Vendetta map 20)

or

>Mirage Barrage (Duke Nukem 3D World Tour E5L4)

>>5387406
>>5387729

>>5387774
Are you disputing that the games he listed have difficulty which arises from unknowable mechanics and random chance?

>>5387731
Haven't seen Vanguard or Mayan Mishap mentioned very much. Both are excellent wads.

Actually haven't seen Dimension Of The Boomed mentioned much here either, but I'm sure everyone of us knows that wad. Best 2018 wad imo.

>>5387701
Thanks.

>>5387729
>XCom
>Dark Souls
Haven't played the others, but I strongly disagree with calling these artificial difficulty.

>>5387779
RNG is not inherently artificial difficulty.

Oh my goodness,Colourful Hell is fantastic.

>>5387818
I thought colorful hell broke guncaster's money system by not letting enemies drop coins on death, did they fix that in the new patch or something?

>>5387821
I'm using Guncaster Vindicated which is compatible with all monster mods.
But you can do the same with regular Guncaster by running it with this:

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=63660

>>5387804
Maybe anon just is looking for a game that automatically senses and adjusts the difficulty of its game mechanics to suit the player's level of skill appropriately. Judging from comments I recommend Symphony of the Night (Prologue section(just the Prologue section))

Shitposting aside there is merit to having games where mastery of the game's systems is not difficult to achieve, it's why games like Mario Party and Smash Brothers are so popular because an eight year old can pick up and play them and do very well.

>>5387818
I loaded Colourful Hell with Legendoom and that gets really hard really quick, sometimes you have to kite and run past normally easy enemies because of the one hit kill potential.

>>5387830
You can change the settings and make it less difficult.
It's better when played with more powerful weapon mods

>>5387830

>>5387840
Once I changed my mindset about having to murder everything and clean out levels it was more enjoyable, totally can see running it with Guncaster.

>>5387636
I have always had mouse disabled in menus because I find it obtrusive

In GZDoom is there a way to achieve a middleground between Doom/Dark lightmode (nice contrast between light levels, but too dark below light level 112) and standard (not enough contrast between light levels)

I tried doing that with DarkDoomZ as suggested in here https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57864
to darken the standard lightmode but that also darkens the lights in bright areas too.

>>5387841

>>5386893

>>5386842
I'm holding out for the hero that will bring true Zscript support to Zandronum

>>5382757
>>5382253
>I don't think Arena Shooters will be the next big thing(tm) again, but I doubt they're gonna go extinct either.
>so I'm just sitting here hoping they'll either start working on new sequels entirely or that an indie/unknown studio would make an arena shooter.
i don't think you understand how many attempts at an arena shooter revival there have been and all they failed because they either lacked the brand recognition, something got fucked along the way or it wasn't a 1:1 recreation of the previous game. people don't wanna play arena shooters anymore and if they did they'd just load up Q3 or UT.

QC was the last best attempt we had at a revival and now we have none.

>>5387873
you're embarrassing.

>>5387878
How? Zandronum has potential

>>5387875
All those attempts didn't understand what made UT and Q3 so appealing.
They are so bland,sure those 2 didn't age well in terms of graphics but they have charisma,they have character.Those other Arena shooters throw the art direction out of the window.
To get good at an Arena Shooter it takes time and effort something that most players don't want to do.

Take Overwatch,not an Arena Shooter yes but most people who played it felt like they've never touched an FPS in their life,in fact it holds your hand most of the time. Now it's on a life support.guess the players realized that the porn was better than the game itself
Team Fortress 2 was close but the lack of care from Valve butchered it big time but then again Valve doesn't make games anymore.

The Arena Shooter fatigue might never comeback but at least it lasted longer than most modern ones these days.
Look at Battle Royale genre,not even 5 years old and people are already getting sick tired of it.

>>5387875
i blame battle royales for it's demise

>>5387901
>All those attempts didn't understand what made UT and Q3 so appealing.
>They are so bland,sure those 2 didn't age well in terms of graphics but they have charisma,they have character.Those other Arena shooters throw the art direction out of the window.
most of those attempts focused on gameplay first but because they didn't have the brand recognition that quake or unreal had nobody gave them a chance and flopped as a result.

>Take Overwatch,not an Arena Shooter yes but most people who played it felt like they've never touched an FPS in their life,in fact it holds your hand most of the time. Now it's on a life support.guess the players realized that the porn was better than the game itself
it was a combination of that and blizzard making the game less & less fun with each update to the game (which is ironic given the game's origins) and caring more about turning the game into a safe space (seriously i remember hearing how they would ban people minority report style for acting like a cunt of social media) on top of a lack of singleplayer or permanent PvE content and an insistence of telling their story through comics, books & animated shorts(this was part of why the original titanfall died and why titanfall 2 had a singleplayer).

>Team Fortress 2 was close but the lack of care from Valve butchered it big time but then again Valve doesn't make games anymore.
TF2 died with the introduction of cosmetics and the later advent of SFM turning it into an asset depot. don't pretend like it happened recently.

>To get good at an Arena Shooter it takes time and effort something that most players don't want to do.
you act like arena shooters are the ONLY multiplayer game like that which is inherently false.

>>5387928
first it was COD, then it was hero shooters not it's battle royal games. people like to always blame what's popular or what's current.

>>5387875
I feel like younger people these days have grown up on console shooters, in 2007 Halo was becoming huge and Modern Warfare had its first release in the series, a lot of developers were making fps's for consoles first rather than pc, and pc versions would end up horribly console-ified (just look at what Epic did to UT3). The majority of the industry just decided to kill off the arena fps genre itself because of the booming cover-based shooter market.

My point is I feel like people that grew up with games like Halo and CoD and Gears of War wouldn't really be very interested in all the PC arena shooter revival attempts that have been popping up, due to them seeming pretty alien.

And people that played TF2 just stuck to it or focused on playing class-based shooters.

What was the best goddamn year for first-person shooter games, and why was it 1996?

>>5386842
Jesus christ thats a good poster

>>5387964
contrary to what i said in earlier posts here >>5387875 & >>5387942 i still believe that arena shooters can have a place in the modern era of gaming but it's more of a matter if people want them in the first place.

Odds and i spend 9 hours after work installing, patching, and making the load order work for the 120 skyrim special edition mods i downloaded yesterday
Evens and i play doom 1 mapsets for 9 hours

>>5387878
You are for shitting on a guy for a harmless hope. Fuck you.

>>5387987
you poor bastard

>>5387135
Doom and Doom 2 are both equally great. It's just that Doom frontloads all their great maps so you get hit by it all at once and you experience them every time you play, not even getting to the shit maps if you don't do a full playthrough, whereas as Doom 2's great maps are scattered throughout, so you don't get to experience them as often if you don't play out the whole game.

doom 2 but the super shotgun uses three shells instead of two

>>5388067
truper trotgun

>>5388067
doom 2 but the BFG uses shotgun shells instead of plasma cells.

>>5388071
>>5388067
doom 2 but the chainsaw uses ammo

>>5388067
doom 2 but Mastermind has autoshotgun

>>5387135
no rest for the living along with some of the master levels were the best parts of doom 2 and almost redeems the game for being such a mess.

>>5388092
That's already how it works, each shot he makes is a shotgun baldie attack

>>5388095
What part of the Master Levels? I don't think I liked much of those.

>>5388105
no, like in its little hands

so i did some research and it turns out that this game is shit and nobody gives a fuck about it except for you losers.

>>5388119
what journal did you publish this research in

Doom 2 but the pain elemental spits out cacodemons

>>5388124
>shoots out mini cacos that grow into adult ones if you don't kill them fast enough
Or.
>lost souls spawned by pain elementals grow flesh until they are cacos and gain the ability to shoot

>>5388124
Doom 2 but the Pain Elemental spits out a Pain Elemental, who spits out a Pain Elemental, who spits out a Pain Elemental, who...

>>5387147
>iconic series about hell
>first time you get in hell is unmemorable
>despite all the variety of textures and props that isn't even in doom 64

>>5388067
doom 2 but the chaingunners fire regular, but yours fire little plasma shots

>>5388124
yholl made that a thing

>>5387147
E2 and E3 are much better than E1.

>>5388134
Pretty sure that was a level in Ludicrium

>>5388119
Alright I'll bite.

What did you hope to gain from trashing people who don't care about your opinion? Does it make you feel better?

Doom 2 but it's Quake

>>5388189
Samsara, pick Ranger.
HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH

>>5387172
There's a Master Levels episode?

>>5387289
Idk wad in the title seems a little weird.
I can't exactly call it mega doom though unless I somehow pull off a miracle of optimization though.

>>5387298
I have a bit of a same problem, but more due to the level design than the enemy encounters. A lot of the time I can't tell if someplace is supposed to be accessible or not and that just confuses my already crap sense of direction even further.

>>5386842
Doom 2 but you are a Rouge Narc Officer shooting up and burning drug cartels in Mexico, Venezuela, El Salvadaor, Honduras, Colombia, and Brazil.

>>5387978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoGG6-837dk

>>5387172
It really, really is not.

Hey, who backed up the toilet?

>>5386843
>XLEngine on Github
Is it still in development? I thought it was abandoned long ago.

>>5388274
why is there a huge window directly behind the toilet

I love sector furniture.

>>5388279
I don't know, but it was convenient for leaning out and shooting at some guys giving me guff.
While carefully making sure I step on the toilet ring, and hoping to god I don't slip.

>>5388279
It's not a real man's bowel movement unless everyone is watching you do it

>>5388281
kebab

Had this dream where there was a Doom crossover with Sega/Capcom game series and i guess Wily or Robotnik teamed up with Hell or the UAC
So there were these characters that were Sega/Capcom bad guys fused with demons like a Mancubus as Guts Man? or a Hellknight with Robotnik 'stache
I couldn't tell if it were demons cosplaying as other characters or some villains actually fusing themselves with those demons types, it was so weird

>>5388347
That's trippy and very DeviantArt-esque. I haven't checked it myself but I'm sure there's some Sonic-themed .wad out there

>>5388347
would play the shit out of this, especially if you got some Megaman/X weapons

>>5387873
Zandro? Why not just in GZDoom

>>5388359
>>5388362
I just don't see any noticeable link between Doom and stuff like Sonic or Street Fighter

>>5388364
Probably because GZDoom multiplayer is shit and they keep breaking things for the most autistic of reasons.

>>5388119
Seethe on me, toxic feminist bitch!

>>5388364
because gzdoom has zscrip and not zandr

>>5386842
Man, Hideous Destructor is hard, even when I played on Fugly!

>>5388308
this made me happy

>>5387298
Doom 2016 is harder because enemies are constantly jumping around everywhere unlike in Doom when you enter a room you have some certainty that the enemy in the far left of the room wont appear on your right within the next 5 seconds. Any mod that adds leaping enemies to those games is just as hard as Doom.

demons

>>5388308
The detail that Chainworm dude puts into his maps is just staggering.

>>5388448
guns

I'm playing doom on dos on an old pentium pro laptop with an external CRT. There's a black border around the edges. I do not remember if dos doom had that or not. Should I adjust my monitor to remove the black edges? I thought all dos games ran at 320x240. Everything looks find at the prompt.

>>5388448
rouarrghh
>walks in place

>>5386842
I can't get both the Simpsons Sound and Simpsons Graphics files to both work on Zandronum. Its either one or the other! I hope it works with Chocolate Doom well enough...

How do you change the intermission music in zmapinfo? I tried a bunch of shit and I can't get it to work. Here's the code...

map MAP01 "Cosmic Beat Down"
{
next = MAP02, crabs
sky1 = OSKY02
music = VHS

}

Intermission crabs
{
TextScreen
{
music = "coconuts"
}
}

Anyone, i once mixed Dakka with Combined Harms and it's an interesting mod for a monster set that just adds new stuff to the base roster.

>>5388475
Adjust your overscan. The only border Doom has is the wallpaper you get when you shrink the view port for shittier computers.

>>5388527
>Anyone
I meant "anyway".

>>5388475
doom runs at 320x200 with a 5:6 pixel ratio

What if Dakka gets featured in the Tumblr blog Inmost Dens?

>>5388527
It's pretty fun, I've run a fair bit of the predecessor to Combined Harms with Dakka and that was great too.

>>5388582
Who the fuck even runs that now anyway? I herd it was Kinsie but he was looking to get rid of it to somebody else.

>>5388585
I thought it was Term, Kinsie, Shivers and Jimmy.

>>5388585
I remember the admin coming here looking for a replacement about 2-3 threads ago

>>5388494
Load both?

>>5388569
>>5388576
cool, i'll play with my overscan settings. It's a real love/hate with old crts. Seems like every resolution needs adjustment and my 'tism makes me think it should be perfect. I'm loving the dos experiences though. Playing it "as intended" really makes me appreciate the vision of the devs. I play doom near constantly on new systems with mods but the original dos version has a much slower, claustrophobic thing going on. You can't see as far and with my terrible serial mouse, I'm having trouble landing good shots so you really rely on the auto aim more. Also, you can't rebind weapon slots so you have to plan encounters better. I have to flee some conflicts just to switch weapons. the game still holds up to me.

>>5387298
that's because most retro shooters are alot easier than people remember. of the ones i played i'd say blood & quake are probably the ones that i'd say were actually hard.

also doom as a franchise is relatively easy. any of the classic games on anything lower than UV is trivial.

>>5388629
I tired that by doing stuff like loading the stuff via a new folder. It didn't work. Looks like I'll stick with GZDoom 3.3.0 when it comes to most stuff like this.

im 30 yrs old, single, still playing doom on a friday night in 2019. have an actual monster with me right now. it doesn't get better than this fellas

>>5388740
why the fuck should we care?

Can somebody tell me the name of this wad?

>>5388759
bloody steel I think

What are some good Doom 2 megawads with short maps?
The shorter the better, but doesn't have to be extremely short.

>>5388764
Thank you

>>5388764
It was named after a british man getting really angry at some steel irl

What will happen if I put my hand there?

Does anyone even play deathmatch anymore,
I haven’t seen a DM server in forever.

>>5388765
Chainworm Kommando is pretty short.

There's also the novelty limited ones like:
Confinement 256
10 sectors / 10 sectors 2
Claustrophobia 1024 / Claustrophobia 1024 2
Congestion 1024

>>5388769
I shouldn't have laughed at this

>>5388226
Ye thats how it played on PS3. You can get this thing that lets you make the epiosde and even customize it slightly https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=169466324

>>5388273
Play Barons Den

>>5388784
No, especially not with the high ping most players have.

>>5388241
Woah! I never heard of half of these! Is Codename Tenka, Last Rites, and Rebel Moon Rising worth checking out?

Which wads should I remove and which one should I complete first fellas?

>>5388809
Start with No Rest For The Living. Why would you want to remove any?

>>5388809
Pirates.

Also don't delete anything, that's silly, some of those are going to be a pain to replace in a few years time.

>>5388813
I didn't complete or start a lot of these and I don't know if they might actually be worth it.

>>5388813
>>5388819
Come to think of it yeah that's stupid.
I didn't consider the replayability value

>>5388780
It would be extremely painful

>>5388791
Baron's Den is pretty shit, but there's still a lot of good maps in TNT. Fuck, Baron's Den isn't even the worst map.

>>5388740

I'll play with you, anon.

>>5386842
Why is the vanilla HUD for GZDOOM versions 3.0.0-3.5.0 small in comparison to Zandronum?

>>5388831
...?

>>5388872
>>5388831
forgot to say its Factotum + L4D Zombies + DarkdoomZ + MariFX

also screens are a little fucked but whatever

>>5388898

>>5388742
>we
cringe

>>5388142
map`?

>>5388898

>>5388450
Yeah it's fucking incredible, i know people hate on 'DETAIL' since its an old meme but chainworm makes incredible maps with such beautiful sector art lurking there for people that don't just charge through blasting everything. The kebab was made even funnier knowing that chainworm is german and the map is styled like a german christmas market.
Also the end stage of chainworm kommando is an incredible trip.

>tfw no friends with old enough computers to get together and play local Doom and Quake LAN parties with
I-it hurts, friends

>>5387189
I replay Threnody every now and then.

>>5388274
wad?

>>5386842
Quake but the Shotgun, Super Shotgun, and Nailgun can be dual-wielded.

>>5388780
>>5388903
how do i make textures bumpy

>>5388119
what do you mean this game

>>5388740
I'm 32, 33 next month
I have a gal at least

>>5388939
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1cbnp4m1c9w1auu/SCRAP.wad/file
A .wad someone here made and almost threw away without finishing.
It's short, but really good, has two different paths you can take.

>>5388119
this game?

This map in Eviternity really illustrates everything wrong with modern Boom mapping. Every single fucking encounter needs to be some crazy lock-in battle with enemies coming from every direction, almost always including archviles & revenants. And of course there's liberal use of the wad's retarded custom monster. Like most custom monsters, it's just "what if we reskinned a regular Doom enemy but it was faster, had more health, and did more damage". Wow, truly the pinnacle of creativity. Why can these stupid faggots not understand what made Doom fun in the first place.

>>5389009
>>5388387
You have to go back.

>>5386918
>that FOV
Go fuck yourself

>>5389015
go back to where?

>>5389018
to 4chan

>>5389018
2006 or something idk
and while you're there, tell epic that consolizing ut3 is the worst thing they could possibly do

>>5388836
I agree. Master Levels is still more consistent with its good to bad map ratio.

>>5389009
fuck, I feel old

>>5389028
I want to go back bros

>>5388960
With photoshop.

>>5387686
>Getting him to record some exclusive lines for Samsara (or better yet, a spiritual sequel to Samsara) would be dope as fuck.
I thought he did do some.
I definitely remember him doing one for the trailer.

>>5389028
they wanted to kill the series

>>5389009

>>5389009
Son of a bitch.

Getting back into doom, need some recomendation for some wads, new levels, weapons, whatever.

also why the fuck is temple of the lizard men 2 so fucking laggy

>>5389 028
no, consolizing ut2003 was the worst thing they could possibly do. they were beating a dead horse at 2006

>>5389070
Try out this one, it does some neat things:>>5389001

>>5389071
UT99 had both Dreamcast and PS2 ports. What are you talking about?

>>5389080
hes angry about zoomers

>>5389071
dude, even quake 3 was ported to consoles

I want a cute doom mod

>>5389095
latailorgirl

>>5389095
Golden Souls 1+2
Alfonzone sorta.

>>5386895
>SiN remaster from the team that fucked up ROTT
what could possibly go wrong?

>>5388347
Reminds me of that Archie comics crossover, with Mega Man and Sonic

>>5388898
>>5388903
>>5388917

Fucking Russians

>>5389028
The only consolized part of UT3 was the menu. The reason it did poorly was because it was a hybrid between UT99 and UT2004 that no one asked for and because it was lacking in content (especially compared to the wealth of mods for the previous games)

>>5389175
Didn't play it much but Im still surprised that the console versions had mod support. Kinda ahead of it's time in a way considering it was the PS3/Xbox 360 era, and that it's something that hasn't really been done since (for consoles that is).

>>5389175
pc version was a bugfest until the last patch, like two years later

>>5389095
caco resort island

>play Strife for the first time in my life
>immediately pick the hardest difficulty because I'm retarded
>get killed by mooks teleporting out of fucking nowhere
Maybe I should've picked a lower difficulty for a first playthrough

>>5389175
I liked UT3. It pretty much was the blend of UT99 and 2004 that I wanted.
Agreed that it lacked content though.

>>5389242
You can just restart you know

lookat me, ima doomer playing doom! very meta haha

>>5389273
I'm also a stubborn idiot

>>5389304
Well then you'd best suck it up and do some reading on how to play strife better.

>>5389001
Hey that was actually great. Makes me happy the dude shared his work instead of leaving it to rot.

So lately I've had the itch to replay Hexen. I got the Wrath of Cronos mod and the new Nashgore vengeance edition and started it up. However this time I've been having this problem. First the crusher trap at the Winnowing Hall building, one of the crushers on the side stopped moving once it came out. Weird but no big deal because there's enough room to walk right past it. Then at the Seven Portals on the Guardian of Steel the the wall that slides when you pull the switch got stuck like this in the screenshot and blocked off one of the switches. No way to proceed without no-clipping past it. Has anyone else encountered this problem? I'm using GZ Doom 3.7.2 and also tried it without the mods. Same shit happens. I can't remember much of the later parts of Hexen so I don't want to proceed without figuring out a solution. I might encounter another broken puzzle like this and not even know it's broken and be unable to proceed. I believe that's what happened when I tried the Chuxen map and got stuck. Something like that breaking and blocking progress.

anyone else still use zdoom because ur computer can't handle gzdoom :(

>>5389395
You mean the wall that slides between positions when you pull the switch on the opposite side of the map? Have you tried pulling that switch again or pulling the other switch?
>I might encounter another broken puzzle like this and not even know it's broken and be unable to proceed. I believe that's what happened when I tried the Chuxen map and got stuck.
That's funny, I had a similar problem with that hub but when I replayed it recently I was able to complete it fine, I think there was some hidden switch I just couldn't find the first time.

>>5389415
Yeah, I know the Seven Portals like the back of my hand. It's broken. I ran back and forth on each side pulling the switches and it just stayed put partway blocking the hall like that no matter what. It's supposed to slide fully to one side when you pull the switch for that side.

>>5389415
>>5389427
Dropping down to GZDoom 3.6.0 fixed it. Works just fine now. I'm curious to know what the problem is in 3.7.2 that causes that to happen.

>>5388147
Lol, shit taste confirmed

What's the best Doom 2 level, and why is it Monster Condo?

>>5388780
It will be infected with HD Smearing

>>5389001
what's the gore mod?

>>5389395
>>5389415
>>5389440
Have you applied the fix to Nashgore Vengeance that makes some blood drop models solid?

Is there any Doom .wad database with a decent tag-based search function? I want to browse just full episode total conversions and I don't know how to do so efficiently.

>>5387154
>no revenants
>no fucking archviles
no

other day I was taking a shit got a hard on I just started jackin off
never know how many woodies you got left, know what I mean

>>5389479
> moves that make the whole dancefloor quake

>>5389515

>>5387250
I heard Project Brutality just rips a bunch of assets from random shit and just throws it in game?

>>5389545
just like br doom

>>5388229
Well, in my head it was either that or call it the "Goddamn McFuckery Engine". Anyway, it's pretty cool to watch your engine progress.

>>5387680
>>5387694
>>5387712
>>5389041
>>5387686
I'm pretty sure LGR did some Duke voice lines for some racing game recently. I'm pretty sure he could do it for Samsara too. He's a pretty close match for Jon St John

>>5387729
dwarf fortress is not even hard though

>>5389318
IKR?
I really liked the gimmick in the trap level, and how all the stone gargoyles are almost like watching you from all over the level, genuinely some of the best I've played.

>>5389460
Nashgore effects with gibs from Doom Enhanced. I'm not sure where you'd look for this exactly (since Doom Enhanced partially broke many GZDoom updates ago), but I'm thinking that since Decorate won't be updated again, what I'm doing PROBABLY won't be broken by updates in the future.

>>5387680
Vinesauce Joel got him to record a line for a video.
Otherwise, as said, you could ask LGR, Clint does a pretty good impression (and it'd probably be perfect once sampled down to match original Duke 3D soundbytes).

>>5388854
Did you miss the option that rescales it back up?

>5386842
What's in that helmet?

>>5389631
Dicks

>>5389643
cocks

>>5389646

>>5389646
Socks?

>>5386842
Just getting started with ACS.
Any suggestions to my code?

>>5389672
random(0,18)
acs' random function includes the end number in its range, so it could try to gear spawnnumber[19], which is right outside the array's dimensions
also you only have 18 elements in your array by my count

>>5389674
fugg
Didn't notice it.
Thanks man. Any other thing that I can learn first before getting dirty?

>>5389395
>filtering low res textures

>>5389706

>>5389647
Sometimes I like to think that those who approved at the idea of demons living on Earth in Doom Eternal were mainly monster girls/boys lovers but then they got killed while they tried to flirt with them.

>>5389714
Cringe.

>>5388765
Zone 300

>>5389710
left looks better

>>5387729
>artificial difficulty
>as opposed to some misguided notion of what mechanics provide "natural" difficulty.
>dwarf fortress
That's a great example of deliberate emergent gameplay via the basic game design.

>>5387406
What rubbish. Having to move well is "artificial"? Fatality animations are "artificial difficulty"?
>tfw no brain-computer psychic link and i have to play mario with a controller
>artificially difficult

>>5389714
sell your soul, pay the toll

>>5388765
Coffee Break, Mini Level Megawad, Demonfear, Zone 300 like already mentioned. Scythe levels are pretty small. I'm lurking for more suggestions from other anons, I like the short maps too.

>>5389086
Even Wolfenstein and Doom are on consoles
All FPS are consolized shitlords, get over it and stop kvetching

>>5389216
Half Life 1 has mod support on PS2

>>5389785
>>5389086
Game developed for PC first then ported to console, and game developed with consoles in mind at the forefront are different things, pissbrain.

>>5388765
Ultimate Simplicity (requires ZDoom, but uses moderately ZDoom features)

>>5388226
>>5388791
There's also ZDoom patch which lets put all the Master Levels wads into one wad file, and then select the map to play from new title screen.

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Master_Levels_Menu_Interface

>>5388765
Swift Death

>>5389175
I personally really hated the artstyle. Had that brown/grey and bulky look that Gears of War was known for.

>>5388849
>Monster Zero
Who the hell actually likes this shit tho

It tastes like ass

>>5388780
Yikes.

>>5388780
This happens

>>5389719
>>5389860
>>5388387
18+ website, please leave.

>>5389015
>>5389863
Are you guys seriously defending a troll, who wrote "this game is shit and nobody gives a fuck about it except for you losers"?

Just to clarify, I'm not the guy you replied to, but man I don't understand you.

>>5389872
>thinking i'm defending a shitter simply because the people replying to it are cancerous as well

Do you want me to head over to Walgreens and get you some Prep H?

>>5389710
There's a difference between good filtering and shit filtering, and sadly shit filtering happens with low res.
the late Paul Steed even gave us a good tutorial about it for quake 2 and 3, but no one ever cared about it

>>5389875
>everybody else is cancerous shitters, but not me when I do it
Dude, you took part to this discussion by trolling as well. It's not like you are any better. If you want to be "not-cancerous" better person, then just ignore troll posts and don't sunk on their level. Calm down mate, and let's discuss about Doom like we should.

>>5389880
I'm sorry if someone will take offense to this, but I really don't think Paul Steed was a great authority on art or graphics.

Which Doom port supports lightmaps (like in Quake/HL)?

>>5389863
>not liking shitty graphics mods means im underage now
How about you choke on it.

What port is this?

>>5389923
That's not why you were called out.

samuel hayden = haydee with less flesh.

>>5389925
minecraft shaders doom

>>5389946

>>5389009
Goddammit.

>>5389895
and who was the best one in the 90s? anon

and im talking about for gameplay, not cinerrmatics and shit

Someone just beat E1M1 in 8 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UkeFwJ-yHI

>>5389967
The best? I couldn't say, but Adrian and Kevin clearly did much better stuff without him involved.

>>5389978
Truly, Someone is the greatest contributor to Doom.

>>5389925
UDK Doom (https://www.moddb.com/games/udk-doom).). Yeah, I don't know why it's a thing either.

>>5389930
Any other reason would be worse.

>>5386918
I want to do a Jesse Lee Peterson taunts mod just to hear UHMAZIN every time you gib a demon

I have no idea how to do any of that tho

A fucking Voodoo 2?

>>5390019
What's this about?

>>5389710
Don't do that. Filtered looks like shit.

>>5390024
>>5390019
It's that 3D Realms game on Quake engine (to be revealed in 11 days)

>>5389880
I worked with Steed while I was at Origin. Talented guy. Gone too soon.

>>5387189
Does Freedoom count? I have played almost fucking nothing but Freedoom for the past 10 years. Just Freedoom 2 0.6 through 0.8.

>>5390027
>>5390019
It is.
It is also on DarkPlaces engine and in no way capable of running on Voodoo 2

>>5389979
Adrian HATED him because he did a better job than him

also hello adrian

>>5390032
since you said origin, you should pop up at WCnews later on, the people there are doing wonders with his work.

Sadly EA is a Bitch and the community cant use the SRC, even if they own a copy of it for archive backup.

>>5390019
>Floppy disk
Not even for a joke. Also, that one appears to be broken.

>>5390040
More people than Adrian had a beef with Steed, he wasn't an easy guy to get along with.
I can with confidence say that Steed's designs would have been much inferior for Doom, Doom 2, and Quake, and that Kevin and Adrian did the best they could with his lackluster designs.

Besides Vaporware and upcoming Mordeth 2 are there any other wads that can be played on only Eternity Engine?

>>5389978
And It's Beautiful

Hey, since I know the guy who does BABEL browses here, could you possibly add something akin to SmoothDoom's assault rifle replacement as a more vanilla starting option with its own stats to fit?

I just love that damn thing to death, even though it's basically just a faster firing pistol, and I feel like it would be a lot more vanilla feeling of an option with decent accuracy, slow continuous automatic fire, at the cost of lower damage or etc.

>>5390189
The Heavy Pistol is sort of that, it does really good damage, conserves ammo, and is accurate so long as you're not holding down the fire button for a long time. I considered doing a rifle but couldn't find any sprites I actually like for it. I'm not opposed to the idea of switching it up a bit, but it would still have to have the same relative balance of
+High damage
+Accurate starting shots
-Accuracy decreases over time
-Fires slower than alternatives
Or else it would probably screw the starting weapon balance.

>>5390196
>The Heavy Pistol is sort of that, it does really good damage, conserves ammo, and is accurate so long as you're not holding down the fire button for a long time. I considered doing a rifle but couldn't find any sprites I actually like for it. I'm not opposed to the idea of switching it up a bit, but it would still have to have the same relative balance of

Why not just have lower damage but a higher accuracy average, but unlike the burst rifle its capable of being fired in single shots with lower damage?

iirc the lowest damage option is the plasma rifle right now and that thing has a serious limiting factor and it's not entirely accurate.

Hell, if that's too under powered it could replace the fist sprite with the bayonet and do more damage in melee, giving you more reliable long range fire and close combat effectiveness, trading off for lessened medium range capabilities, which most of the other guns cover already.

>>5390207
>>5390189
The obvious tradeoff being ammo expenditure, like the heavy SMG but being much more controllable with it in exchange for reduced round by round capacity, compensated for by increased hipfire accuracy.

It's a terrible gun to use in medium range combat or CQC, but for distant sniping it would be far more versatile given that the shotgun no longer has as reliable of a spread, and the minigun similarly no longer has as much long range accuracy.

>>5390207
>Why not just have lower damage but a higher accuracy average
That's the SMG, and if I went any lower than that it would just be plain objectively better to use the other options. When you look at the damage numbers, you'll find that one of the balancing factors for the bullet weapons is ammo efficiency.
SMG < Heavy Pistol (Suboptimal) < Chaingun < Heavy Pistol (Average) < Heavy Pistol (Optimal)
If I made a gun that's the SMG but weaker, there's almost no reason to use it besides conserving ammo (which is what the PSMG is for). If I made it the same strength as the SMG, you might as well use the SMG as you'll waste at most two bullets, which isn't much. If I made it better than the SMG but below the rest, there's a lot less reason to use the SMG. There's very little good place to put a weapon like that without invalidating the others.
>iirc the lowest damage option is the plasma rifle right now and that thing has a serious limiting factor and it's not entirely accurate.
Yes, that's the point of that gun. It's conserving bullet ammo and cleaning up smaller enemies. SMG is for sniping and stunlocking quickly, HP is for doing large damage accurately but slowly.
>Hell, if that's too under powered it could replace the fist sprite with the bayonet and do more damage in melee, giving you more reliable long range fire and close combat effectiveness, trading off for lessened medium range capabilities, which most of the other guns cover already.
This is an interesting idea, but I'd need to test it a lot to ensure it wasn't broken.
>>5390215
Somewhat counter-intuitively, you can use the heavy pistol to snipe with near-100% accuracy if you fire slowly. Spread is 0.4+recoil in both directions.

>>5390215
>>5390207
>>5390196
>>5390189

tl;dr I want a plinker of a gun so I have a longer range option with BABEL even if it's not viable for alot of starting fights. Possibly with a bayonett

>>5390229
Webm looks like shit but you can snipe pretty well like this.

>>5390240
Yeah, I noticed that, even used it recently, and you have a relatively slow rate of fire.
The thing is though, is that it's slow enough that it's a really risky proposition to try to stunlock an enemy when combined with the sometimes inconsistent accuracy at higher fire rates.
I'm just mentioning that the stock pistol and shotgun, and even minigun in standard balancing have the ability to do inconsistent or partial stunlocks on certain enemies like imps or shotgunners from a longer ranged distance.

Removing or reducing this seems to be a large part of your balancing ethos, from the new enemy aggressiveness system, and putting these weapons into new roles, so fights are more inconsistent and dynamic. i.e. the Chaingun can DEFINITELY Stunlock enemies, but it uses up massive amounts of ammo in the process.
I noticed even chaingunners don't have as consistent long range accuracy any more in order to compensate for this change.

What I meant by having a more "vanilla" feeling gun was having something that still has this attribute, but in a considerably more nerfed fashion, because it's become such a big part of my playstyle, and some map makers in allowing defensive player security.

But if it's up to you that you don't feel that would gel with the mod's balance that is completely fine and within what you've already put forward with your design ethos.
If I'm off the mark with that, please let me know.

I'll give some solid props though, the handling of the double barrel is really smart, and trades its role as a slow firing crowd control/close damage gun for one as almost a special burst damage weapon you can tab out of. The shotgun too, while slower, is meatier and works well as maintain a workhorse role without becoming a jack of all trades (only weird thing I noticed is once I've had each half of the spread of buckshot auto aim itself onto two different enemies who were side by side), and I love most of the pistol replacements in terms of balance.

>>5390085
What designs, exactly?

>>5390271
>I'm just mentioning that the stock pistol and shotgun, and even minigun in standard balancing have the ability to do inconsistent or partial stunlocks on certain enemies like imps or shotgunners from a longer ranged distance.
Yeah this is something I deliberately downplayed in favor of the fear system and making the weapons more powerful at their specific roles. Babel strongly disfavors long range attacks with everything except the heavy pistol and rocket launcher (which actually got a slight buff for them, the rockets do a mild acceleration). This is because most of the time chaingun tapping is a bit cheesy and unnecessary. In the few places where sniping is required you can do it with slot 2 for the most part.
>I noticed even chaingunners don't have as consistent long range accuracy any more
Oh you would not believe how awful it was when they did. I'm getting PTSD flashbacks just thinking about it.
>What I meant by having a more "vanilla" feeling gun was having something that still has this attribute, but in a considerably more nerfed fashion,
So originally the Heavy pistol also had a bonus of ~20% higher pain chance on everything. I took it out because I thought it was OP, but honestly I might add it back because while powerful, for most maps the Heavy Pistol is a suboptimal choice. Giving it better stun ability would offset that, especially in a mod where lots of enemies have reduced pain chances. It's not off the table, let's put it that way, and I do know that some map makers really hypertune stuff so that without good stunlock you'll get overrun. This might be a way to help fix the mod's balance on those maps.
>only weird thing I noticed is once I've had each half of the spread of buckshot auto aim itself onto two different enemies who were side by side
Huh. I could have sworn that wasn't possible with it. Are you sure that wasn't Dakka? I know ijon's shotgun can do that in rare circumstances.

>>5390002
>UDK Doom

Lighting looks cool, wish something similar was in GZDoom. But it's just Unreal with deathmatch bots on e1m1, e1m2, e1m3.

Somebody needs to port that vasyan's Doom Remake to Unreal Engine.

>>5390286
Quake 3

I still really like Babel's Plasma SMG.

>>5390318
Thanks Kegan

>>5390316
What was wrong with them, and why is it all apparently Steed's fault?

>>5390319
No problem.
You wanna know something fucked up though? I've come to terms with infinite ammo pistols being kinda boring, I'm breaking myself away from making those now.
Your plasma SMG is fine seeing as it recharges, and does so slower with overuse, I really like how Dakka handles pistol ammo too.

>>5390327
>Kegan flips sides on the issue
Oh noooo
Yeah I like Dakka too. I had hardly touched it until very recently but damn is it smooth and fun. I'm not a super huge fan of slaughter maps, but I actually enjoy them with Dakka.

>>5390310
This looks cool actually. GZDoom's shadowmaps are crap comparing to real shadows of UE.

>>5387217
>often replay 300mins of /vr/

That really makes me wanna map again.

>>5390332
I don't think I've flipped. Just realized it needs to be approached in a manner that equates to more than endless plinking.
Admittedly I have plans for a weapon set later that'll feature weak a altfires with infinite reloads for ALL weapons, but there'll be other restrictions with that.
I kinda wish Babel had alternate melee and chainsaw options but I'll be damned if I know how you would add them.

>>5390343
>Admittedly I have plans for a weapon set later that'll feature weak a altfires with infinite reloads for ALL weapons, but there'll be other restrictions with that.
Well I like most of the stuff you've done so I'm sure it'll be fine.
>I kinda wish Babel had alternate melee and chainsaw options but I'll be damned if I know how you would add them
Yeah I even surprise myself with how alarmingly picky I am when it comes to sprites for that. I was looking for some alternate ones for a while but ehhh. Plus I'd almost have to do the whole "Hideous Destructor ZScript loadout menu" thing to handle the combinations, which would be a nightmare. I might be good at ZS, but some of those systems are just not even worth it. My skills have been rusting due to underuse lately too. I wish Aeon was a thing.

>>5390349
Well you say picky, do you have some alternatives in mind if you had the sprites?
I appreciate that confidence by the way, you guys know I try my damnedest to make my shit fun.
And maybe you could do what the dollar solider Z does: two variants of each starting class with a different backup weapon and a different starting weapon. Hacky, yes but easy to do at least

>>5390326
I think they're alright, because they did the best they could with them. I'm saying more look at his concept art, they downplay a bunch of his shitty ideas.

>>5390368
You got a link to those concepts?

>>5389162
Well... I guess my shader mod is now automatically trash.

It was all fun while it lasted, folks.

>>5390356
Well you say picky, do you have some alternatives in mind if you had the sprites?
For standard melee I was thinking of a knife of some kind, for chainsaw I wasn't entirely sure. It would have to be functionally equivalent to the chainsaw, so maybe some kind of drilling weapon? Really it's more of an issue of artstyle matches than anything else. There are a lot of somewhat decent sprites for melee weapons, and also a lot of good ones, but they rarely match the art style of Doom properly. It's funny because even years ago with FKER, my concern was more "Does this look good" than "Does this play well" because I knew I could fix the second one if I tried hard enough.
>two variants of each starting class with a different backup weapon and a different starting weapon
Absolutely pic related. If anything I'd make one unique weapon per loadout slot and pair them up for the best balance. Like
>SMG + Fist + Chainsaw
>PSMG + Scifi Knife + Laser Drill thing
>HP + Blunt bashing thingy + Circular saw
or something. That's fi I even did it. I'm really more concerned with polishing the shit out of what's there first.

>>5390378
Can you make a script that attaches dynamic lights to the textures instead these shitty shader mods?

>>5390385
I can, yes. But it's going to absolutely obliterate performance.

>>5390375
I don't, actually. I looked around but couldn't find them.

>>5390392
Why? There's was something like this in old JDoom ver (in 2004) and it worked on old PC's. It was like brightmaps, but it was generating lights around texture.

>>5390398
Were they dynamic lights, though?

>>5390405
Yes. The bright parts of textures were generating dynamic lights same like the objects (lamps/torches) and it worked with any custom maps.

>>5390409
Oh well... I guess it won't be a problem there if it's done more efficient (probably even culls the lights). In gzdoom, having hundreds or thousands of lights all over the place can slow things to a crawl even if they're not visible.

>>5390393
how coincidental

What are your favorite things in user made maps?

>>5390415
The lastest GZDoom ver seems better optimized. I played HontE remastered (doom 2 remaked maps with sector lighting replaced with dynamic lights) with Doom Remake 4 (a mod that adds 3D models, hires textures, pbr stuff, new particle effects etc.) and it was playable in 1080p on my GTX 1080, there were only slutters on big maps (like map13), so I had to downscale it to 900p.

>>5390429
I'll tell you the same thing I told the Hell's Playground guy: not everyone has a 1080. And if you still need to cut down on settings because you get slowdowns on it, that's definitely a problem.

CPU power is much more important than GPU power in GZDoom.

turok 1 and 2 are on steam, I have not really heard much about turok 1 but I heard really good things about turok 2. I watched vinesause joel play turok 2 and it looked fun but is it worth the $20 price tag or should I just wait till the next steam sale?

>>5390449
If you buy anything on steam that could be on sale, you're losing money imho.
You could be keeping half the money you spend on steam games if you really wanted to, you can't change my mind on how much money you could save on steam.

That being said, I don't know shit about the Turok series so buy them if you wish. watch a gggmanlives review if you're really that concerned about a games quality.

>>5390431
It did slutter because of PBR materials, not because of dynamic lights. If I drop pbr materials it's stable fps.

>>5390493
Are there PBR and normals for the vanilla textures yet?

>>5390493
>>5390542
Also how do you draw a normalmap?
What do the colors mean?
There is no tutorial that explains that. All of them are either to create normal from 3D object, or to use some filters and then clean up, none of them actually gets into what the colors and gradients mean - why one side of a hole is blue and another is pink, how do you determine which is which and is there a way to draw them over the texture in a right way?
There is no explanation to that that I can find with google.

>>5390465
Different guy, but I seldom use Steam these days, and seldom buy games for it at all.

Hmmm...
Any offline tool that can batch-process fiiles for normalmaps like that?
Photoshop filters are slow to work with and require loading individual files.
I'd like to try and batch-process stuff then clean up the result.
Also ability to preview would be nice.

Is there an implementation of Demon Destruction for Doom 1 and 2?

>>5390409
No they were not.
Doomsday engine (jDoom) used brightmaps and then added more glow to the parts with highest brightness that bled into the texture (kinda like bloom, but not shit), after that putting a 3D halo on top of it (that could also generate lens flares if your settings allowed it). These lights were not dynamic at all however and did not affect nearby geometry/models in any way.

>>5390542
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100298-pbr-for-original-doom-textures

>>5390552
https://www.katsbits.com/tutorials/textures/how-not-to-make-normal-maps-from-photos-or-images.php

>>5390627
It wasn't just glows/bloom. The lights were affecting surrounding walls.

You can check it: http://archive.org/download/doomworld/doomworld.tar/doomworld%2Ffiles%2Fdoom_remake.exe

It's JDoom from 2004 loaded with 3D models, hires.

>>5388759

project msx

The most awesome WAD i have ever played(well being the first also helps)

>>5389925
One of these days PBR bumpmapping will be perfect and walls will never look like stone. Till then ew

>>5388759
Regen health: the mod.

>>5390685

>>5390642
my god, that looks fucking awful

>>5390696
Yes but we need that feature from it in GZDoom. Also it's not that bad for a fan-made thing in 2003.

>>5390678
The pbr from that screen seems to be generated with photoshop batch. If you generate them they look like crap. They will look properly only if you read tutorials and made them by hands