/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5372306
So I just inherited my Grandfathers old 1993 FUNAI 13 color TV when I helped him hook up his new LCD he just got and it only has an RF port on the back. Just curious on how most people play Composite games on these kinds of TV's. I assume most people use a VCR right?

Couldn't find an image of one online even when I typed the model # in, but this is pretty much identical to what it looks like.

>>5372362
either a vcr or the official cables for old consoles
you're a brave man if you're going rf only

>>5372362
Toss that shit. It is garbage.

>>5372408
Why's that? It still has good picture, and it's bigger than the little desk tv/vcr combo I've been messing around with.

>>5372362
RF is clean enough for something like the NES or SNES but beyond that it's kinda rough. You're better off looking for a CRT that has S-Video at the very least.

Just picked this up for $10 and saw this. The whole screen is supposed to be blue. Could it need some degaussing?

>>5372436
Does RCA make the quality look better after it's been fed through a VCR with an RF, or does it still come through a little snowy?

>>5372513
Let it settle in its new location for a new days. Switch it on and off every hour or so and let the built-in degausser do it's thing.

>>5372586
>new
few

>>5372580
It's worth a shot, but it's dependant on the quality of the RF encoder being better in the VCR over the one in the console. The console ones are naturally low cost so there is a decent chance.

Alright, I fell for the meme because of you guys. I drove around 50 miles yesterday and got this 25" Trinitron in very good condition and with the original remote. The guy was asking for 40 dollars, but we settled for 30 (approximation from my country currency).
Unfortunately it doesn't have RGB input, but at least it has S-Video. Only two inputs, one on the back (either composite or S-Video) and one on the front (composite). Surprisingly for me it has a 3.5mm headphone jack on the front, which will actually be useful.
It's a KV-25FV10B. I was wondering how you get to that screen to adjust the geometry. It has some green and red squares with dots on the middle. I'll be glad if someone could help.

>>5372669
Save your wallet and be happy with Svideo.

>>5372692
I'm pretty happy with it. Just gotta get a console to actually use it now. I'm thinking of a modded PS2 slim so I can play PS2 and PS1, mostly PS1 though. People are selling it around me for 50 dollars, which I don't have atm, so all I can do with it now is watch cable tv.

>>5372696
It kinda looks like something from the early naughts, does it at least have component?

This supergun has SCART but do we actually know if it supports RGB? https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Vogatek-arcade-supergun-MK-IV/392207076382?hash=item5b515d0c1e:g:TJYAAOSwuMRb-bq8:rk:3:pf:0

>>5372702
>component
Nope, only composite and S-Video.

>just want a decent PC crt for 480p games
>can't find a single goddamn one anywhere
ive checked so many fucking thrift stores and even a goddamn recycling center, have youtubers fucked everyone over by popularizing CRTs?

>>5372724
which tv?

>>5372763

>>5372586
Thanks, I'll give it a shot. I don't think it's been turned on in a while so that might be why.

>>5372759
everyone thoroughly destroyed all the pc crts over ten years ago

>>5372759
I have a syncmaster 750s sitting right outside my room that works perfectly sitting right outside my room that I've been wanting to get rid of forever.

>>5372759
They were trashed. Thrift stores stopped accepting them here almost a decade ago.

I have a newer RX570 and an HD 6350 laying around. I wanted to use CRT_EmuDriver with the old GPU but then I saw that shit was updated to work with newer AMD GPUs.

Should I bother buying an HDMI to VGA active adapter instead of using my old GPU? Not like it doesn't work, but it'd be nice to keep things to one GPU on my computer instead of two. Also, any recommendations on those adapters?

>>5372408
>toss that shit
>buy my $1,000 PVM I have listed on ebay right now instead i'll pack with peanuts and newspaper

>>5372669
>I was wondering how you get to that screen to adjust the geometry. It has some green and red squares with dots on the middle. I'll be glad if someone could help.
Pic related is what I meant. Anyone can help?

>>5372916
You in florida?

>>5373291
Try to see if you can find that model's service menu. Google will help. You'd have to mess around with the settings until it looks right though.
The other option is to open that shit up but that's hard, dangerous and would require research.

>>5373365
Yeah, I can get to the service menu. I just don't know how to get that pattern to show up to make it easier to adjust the geometry.

>>5373391
its not something built into tvs, it's software that people made for retro consoles to test crts.

http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=240p_test_suite

>>5373412
Thanks. I literally just found that out while searching on google.

Came across this on me local craigshit. Anyone know what model it is? I looks pretty cool.

Also a guy giving a way a decent looking 27" Sony if anyone in the Boston area is looking. The moron can't tell composite from component, please rescue it from him
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ele/d/boston-free-to-good-home-27-sony/6819757503.html

>>5373291
Have you got a hacked wii? Lookup '240p test suite'. It's a homebrew with a bunch of TV testing stuff, including the geometry grid you're referring to.

>>5373480
Looks like someone else linked it, ignore me.

Ran into a minor problem with my tv. I got my Famicom working and I need to tune to channel 96 for it to work over RF. However my Sony Wega only goes up to channel 88. Any ideas? I read online that I could just use a VCR to receive the RF signal over channel 96 and then output at channel 3. I don't have a VCR at the moment, are there any other workarounds? I've been playing on a Westinghouse HDTV that does have channel 96 and it's only reaffirming my love for CRTs.

Pic is just something I took a couple nights ago.

Guys, I'm not sure if it's okay to ask here or if this thread is TVs only, but I was wondering what some preferable brands to look out for are for finding a good late model VGA computer monitor for a millennium-ish computer build. Are Samsung Syncmaster models well regarded? I could score a 957p for free in the next few days if I took a two hour round trip. Will monitors smell if they come from a smoker household?

>>5373667
Jesus, just mod the fucking thing and stop using RF. Then use whatever display you want. LCD, LED, OLED, CRT, a dildo.

>>5373480
>240p test suite
Thanks. I figured it out after searching for a while.

>Have you got a hacked wii
No, I don't have anything to play on at the moment. I'm thinking of getting a PS2 to play PS1 and a few SNES games. Does it run those systems well? And does it do 240p properly while emulating? I could get a Wii instead, but there's plenty of PS2 games I'd like to play, and I'm not the biggest nintendo fan, so it would be just an emulation machine.

>>5373787
Wii is a much better 240p emulation machine than the PS2.

>>5373802
I see. Well, I suppose in the end I could buy both of them. I'll see when the time comes. Thanks for the help

>>5373696
I LOVE my Samsung Syncmaster 900. Keep in mind that it's a PC CRT, so you can't use it with retro game consoles without a line doubler, but it's an incredible monitor. Mine does 1600x900 resolution at 84Hz.

>>5373667
Plug it into a vcr and time the vcr to channel 95/96
>>5373730
Don't listen to this fucking retard

>>5373893
There's nothing wrong with modding a famicom for composite out

>>5372513
Makes for a pretty neat wallpaper, so I guess thanks for sharing this.

>bought a PVM
>set everything up perfectly in 240p RGB
>enjoy it for a long time
>recently build a gaming PC
>decide to try out shaders
>mfw CRT-Royale looks better than any CRT I've ever seen
>mfw this truth will never be accepted on /vr/

how many of you numbnuts just care about the perfect setup, but never actually get to play video games? all you do is buy and hoard old crap to take pictures of the first screen of the games and post on insta.
True gamers don't care about any of that, all that matters is PLAYING video games.

>>5373962
0/10
>>5373962
0/10

>>5373902
>destroying the original color palette
>only marginally sharper image
isshiggydiggy

>>5374113
>destroying the original color palette
Fucking idiot

>>5373902
It ruins the integrity of it being an original, intact unit.

You can composite buy an AV Famicom or a Twin Famicom

>>5374237
reminder that if you buy a twin famicom with a broken disk system you can get it for pretty cheap and it is usually very fixable

Posting shit picture for advice, any tips to take a better picture with a smartphone? Galaxy S5 here

>>5374337
Download a different camera app than the one that comes with the phone. I don't use a phone for photos, but several people who do have reported much much better results with a 3rd party camera app with more manual controls.

>>5374340
Any other tips? I've realized the biggest issue is that my camera believes my screen is a mirror instead of an actual TV screen, should I lower the ISO or something? The S5 is kinda limited in terms of "pro" settings

>>5374237
lmao. You damn autistic. I bet you play 360 games on a 32 inch 2007 era LCD too.

>>5374404
nah, play them on my bvm-d32.

>>5374404
>>5374412
Yep, he's definitely autistic
>but I also want one of those

>>5373696
0.22mm 96khz says cnet. That's pretty decent for a consumer model.

>>5374707
BNCs and built in USB are also a good sign of a high ish end monitor.

>>5374707
I can still decide on the Syncmaster until later today (kinda don't wanna drive a two hour round trip though), however I found a different monitor for free pickup in my hometown in the classifieds this morning. ELSA Ecomo 730, rebadged Sony GDM-5403, "21" inch, 0.24 mm aperture grille, 109 kHz, flat front. Already sent a message, can't really do anything wrong with it, can I?

>>5374718
That's weird though. Typically you'd find BNCs on a professional monitor, but 96khz isn't particularly high-end.
>>5374725
Personally I'd go with the shadow mask. Ideally, get both.

>>5374725
This one is actually a decent bit better than the Samsung: it's got 3" more viewable screen and the boost in refresh rate will be noticable, and even though it seems like the Samsung has the better dot pitch, it's slightly incomparable because they are different sizes and different screens. I'd wager that the Trinitron tube can actually resolve a higher resolution.

>>5374742
According to each manual the Samsung has a max resolution of 1920x1440 but only at 64 Hz, and 1600x1200 will display at 76 Hz, meanwhile the Not-Sony specifies 1600x1200 maximum but displays it at 85 Hz. And honestly, who would wanna use 1920x1440 on an effectively 18 inch monitor anyway?

>>5374725
Actually the more I look at the Not-Sony manual the more it sounds like it can ONLY display 1600x1200 or 1280x2014 at 85 Hz. Can you guys make sense of this?

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/832283/Sony-Gdm-5403.html

>>5374725
>>5374770
Get that Trinitron instead. The Samsung Dynaflat is a terrible tube, even if the specs make it seem decent.

>>5374770
It's possible those are the only two resolutions with presets. It's also strange seeing the specs listed for it, since there's another model using 5403 (which in turn is an alt of the 5402) which is spec'd higher and is definitely not limited to just resolutions around 105khz.

The fact that it's built on a the G1 chassis also makes me think it should be fine taking whatever resolution. I'd say it's definitely worth grabbing either way, given that it's free.

>>5373667
>>5373893
Thanks Anon, I bought a VCR today. I think it turned out pretty good.

>>5372759
Some old photographer was selling his CRTs in my area a couple of years ago, they're quite comfy t b h senpai

>>5376167

>>5372306
Does anybody know if sync on green can do 240p and 480i properly? I ordered a RGB cable for my Wii Dual modded Wii since component is too dark for some reason. I saw it has options for sync on green under the on screen analog options. The only other consoles that I know use it are the PS2 and the PS3 exclusively for the 480p mode. Would it work properly? I do have an OSSC and all

>>5376413
Sync on green can be used with any resolution if the source can support it.

>>5373361
Kentucky.

In tonight's episode of Questionable Thrift Shop Decisions: a 17" Dell E772c. Picture was nice and sharp when i checked it out. CNET says it supports resolutions up to 1280*1024. CNET also says it's a TFT LCD so uh maybe take some of the shit CNET says with a grain of salt

>>5376567
It's your standard 70khz office CRT.

Nice for Dreamcast and older PC games, maybe 720p from a console if you can put up with the letterboxing. 1080p is technically within it's horizontal frequency limit, but isn't going to look good.

Recommended resolutions for PC usage would be 1024x768@85hz or 1152x864@75hz. 1280x960@70 would be right at the edge and the monitor may not even let you do it; You won't be resolving much extra at that point over the other two though.

Someone near me is selling a VGA monitor for dirt cheap that looks pristine in his images, but I've only dealt with TVs before and I'm new to a lot of this stuff. Would I be able to use that monitor with my consoles? And VGA is a good signal, right?

>>5374725
you go get that Sony right the fuck now and don't even think about it any longer

The seller says this is a tv monitor for "editing", do your think that means anything special or are they just speaking nonsense. It's a sharp, btw, would love to know if anybody knows the model

>had 3 decent pc crts
>could easily get more for under 5$
>moved to the us and had to left the crts behind
>now I have to either go to the other side of the fucking country to pick up a crt or pay big $$$

JUST

Got a new shelf coming. Need some wall art

I had some computer monitors lying around. A Dell P992, eView-17f2,and an IBM-c50 monitor. The horizontal and vertical size of each monitor can be manually adjusted, but the larger the size gets the darker it gets. The Dell monitor has an auto adjust feature, but even then the picture gets dramatically darker. Is there any to fix this, or is it normal for monitors like this?

I found this old relic in my grandparents house.
It doesnt even have a VGA port, its ANCIENT.
I can't find it on ebay so i dont know how much its worth. Its monochrome.
What should i do with it? i dont want to let it rot, i want to sell it to someone who appreciates it.

>>5376920
pic of the back
>12"
>50 Hz
>23 Watts

>>5376920
>>5376921
The prices for things like these are very broad. Most everyday people who don't give a shit about CRT's will beg you to take it off their hands for free just to get rid of it though.

>>5376920
>>5376921
looks like a monitor for a terminal or some 3rd world home computer. feed it some 15khz and see what it does.

>>5376920
Presumably meant for 288p/240p composite/luma

>>5376724
Dreamcast, Xbox 360 support VGA natively, other 480p+ capable consoles can be used via a transcoder, 240p/480i consoles will need a scaler.

>>5376879
It's normal to get darker when the image is bigger, same beam energy over a larger area. Shouldn't be that dramatic though.

>>5377147
Thanks for the reply. The IBM monitor whines a lot after being on for too long. I read that might be caused by the caps going bad. I'll look into getting them replaced. Hopefully that fixes my brightness problems as well.

>>5372759
Here in Iowa thrift stores stopped taking them probably 10 years ago. They cost more to recycle than they are worth and no one wants to buy them. Old PC crts were trashed without any fanfare because anyone can carry them far enough to throw them in a dumpster or on the curb. Bigger consumer CRTs only exist because someone didn't want to move them from a spare bedroom or are too old and feeble to lift them.

They are the deadest of dead tech for the average consumer. Even multi thousand dollar sets are now just junk for kids to watch movies on when they stay with grandma.

You would have to be at minimum 35 or so to even remotely have a chance of having kept one you bought when they were current tech.

>>5372362
Very comfy for Atari and not terrible for nes.

Here's an F930 for sale in krautland:
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-eizo-f930/k0

>>5376950
>>5376956
its made in korea, i found it in spain
probably from the 70's - 80's ???

Is it worth buying crts on ebay?

>>5377243
I had a nice compact set I got from my parents and gave away almost 10 years ago because i was moving.

It was perfect for light gun games. I haven't played any since.
QQ

>>5377396
Yes.

That's where I got my £10 BVM-20F1E and £5 27" Profeel.

i cleaned my CRT with a window cleaning product and now there are multicolor dots on the sides and bottom of the screen.
what can i do? its a SONY Trinitron Multiscan200ES, should I throw it in the trash and get a different one?

>>5377658
Dry it off

>>5377692
it dried off
i think thats the issue
i tried washing it off with water already
should i try something more corrosive so it washes the window cleaner off?

>>5376920
>>5376921
Plug a console in and take some pics for us.

Help /vuerr/ how do I respond?

>>5373924
No problem.

tfw lost on 3 pvm deals to other buyers.
Damn man, I just want to find a decent 13"+monitor.

Just got myself a PC CRT for free. This thing is 17in from 2003 and is somehow sharper than my 19in from 1999. How is that even possible? Both use phosphor dots. And I thought COMPAQ was supposed to be a budget alternative (the other one is Sylvania, but still). Pretty cool, regardless.

>inb4 spic

>>5377829
"more demons, more power"

>>5378138
How does n64 look on it? Thinking of grabbing a pc crt myself if the quality is good. Also curious about genesis/snes games.

>>5378882
Can't use SD consoles on a PC CRT directly, you'd need a scaler/linedoubler.

>>5372724
idk, i like the look of scanlines in ps1 games.

Being able to recap and RGB mod really seems like the holy grail of CRT enthusiasm, you'd never want for anything again. Wish I could get hands-on teaching because I'm too pussy to try it with limited info off the internet

>>5378996
>you'd never want for anything again
Not every consumer set has Jungle IC diagrams available (or Jungle ICs to begin with), and you'd still ultimately have tube failures.

>>5377373
>2048 x 1536 at 80 Hz
Okay, now if only the thing wasn't 200 km away.

>>5379495
it's totally worth the drive. I'd get it if I didn't already have one

>>5379591
So do they expect any money for it if they offer it VB with no value? Do they know how good and rare it is? Would they realize how good and rare it is if people start driving 200 km there?

>>5373962
based and redpilled

prioritizing setup over playing games is the most bluepilled normiefag thing to do.

>>5379671
They probably know it's good, otherwise they wouldn't have listed the specs (and it probably would've been in the trash already). Then again I can't read people's minds over the internet.

>>5376920
oh snap i didn't notice it was PAL. That'd be an extremely cool find for some ZX81 enthusiast or one of the like five europeans who had an Apple II.

>>5378882
Do you mean emulators or the actual consoles? Because both are pretty sharp, but using a console on a PC CRT is a drag. Either way, I would stick to SD CRTs with SCART/Component input. Even if you use a line doubler with scanlines it just looks too sharp for my tastes. I use this mainly for more modern polygonal titles, i.e. not retro.

>>5377373
Jesus Christ, I bet this thing can hit 144+ on 768p. That's a big monitor.

>>5377824
i dont have whatever cables it needs

>>5379830
it does, 160 to be precise

>>5379746
As it doesn't sell (and it doesn't seem to considering it's already been up for two weeks) I'm thinking about offering them 50 quid to pack it well and put it in the mail, even though the ad says no mail. Driving there and back would cost me 35 quid in fuel alone, not to mention the better part of a day.

>>5378138
>phosphor dots
Stupid thirdworlder

>>5379416
>Not every consumer set has Jungle IC diagrams available (or Jungle ICs to begin with), and you'd still ultimately have tube failures.
Yeah but from what I can gather even most composite sets from the good manufacturers have Jungle ICs and tube failure is the last thing you need to worry about if you can recap. As long as you can recap and you have a couple of decent backup CRTs, you'd be set for years and years to come

How do I stop obsessing over perfect geometry?

>>5380067
just man the fuck up and play games instead of jerking off to a setup, you huge fagit.

Most PS2 games output at 640x448. So on my 4:3 CRT I should be seeing two black bars on the top and bottom of the screen, right?

>>5380067
I was in your shoes once. Get it as good as you can but understand that the limitations of the technology won't ever allow for perfect geometry. You can either get that perfectly aligned square in the center of your screen with wonky geometry on the corners/edges or you can have slightly off center geometry with good geometry on the edges. The best way to do it is probably to compromise between the two and have both just a little fucked up but good enough that your brain doesn't notice or care while playing.

>>5380119
Reminds me of map projections.

>you can have the one with fucked up poles or the one with a fucked up equator or the one with fucked up areas or the one with fucked up distances, or a dozen other ones with varying degrees of different flaws combined

>>5380095
Depends how the vertical size is set, ~448 visible is about the default overscan most TVs were set for.

Anyone got an opinion on late 90s Samsung CRTs? Got one on eBay for cheap with a SCART input.
Didn't even know Samsung made CRTs until today.

>Power switch on my commodore 1081 broke
>tfw can't solder for shit and there are no repairmen anymore

>>5372306
Hi /crt/ did Hitachi make good crts? I can pick up a 25 inch tomorrow for like 10€. I already have a B&O Mx 4002 though. I wanted to know if it was worth the trouble. I don't know the model number of the Hitachi.

>>5380478
look up "tv repair store" on google, and call or email them to see if they can fix it.
Or buy a soldering iron, solder and wick watch some videos on youtube and practice on junk electronics.

>>5380067
you can buy a super high end bvm which'll have perfect geometry if it bothers you that much.

>>5372306
i found this in my grandmas basement is it any good ?

toshiba cf30c50

>>5380492
Just test it. You'll know then.

>>5380495
one day i will
hopefully it works. it was made in 1993

>>5380472
Well Samsung definitely makes better tv's now than they did then. My friend had a Samsung CRT once. It was shit. But doesn't mean all of them are. But if I were you I'd go for either a japanese brand for crts or phillips.

>>5380492
30" tube, shadow mask, has s-video and composite, has picture in picture.
Seems fairly nice.

>>5380501
Wow that TV looks brand new.

Debating on getting rid of my crt for some kind of line doubler. I've got another move coming up and I dread transporting this thing.

>>5380571
you could always go for a smaller television.

Hey guys, there's this monitor for sale that only accepts sync on green. What would I have to do to get sync on green from a computer? Or Dreamcast?

>>5380668
you could use an extron scs 300 to do RGBHV to RGsB

How did I do guys? I found this on Craigslist for free and it works great. It’s Sony KV-13TR28. Is there any reason to upgrade from this?

>>5380741
Just a follow up

>>5380741
having a 20+" tv is nice as is component inputs, but a 14" s-video set isn't awful.

>>5380668
Extron RGB interface box, if you're in murica should be able to get one for under 30 burgers shipped, look on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/Extron-RGB-160xi-Universal-Video-and-Audio-Interface-with-ADSP-Extron-RGB-160x/263108908557

>>5380750
I prefer my CRT on the smaller side cause it goes on my desk but it’d be nice to go up a few more inches. Unfortunately mine doesn’t have s-video. Is there any type of peripheral that will allow it? I’m running a CDX mostly, and sorry for questions. New to this all.

>>5380775
huh, the manual said it did. That's weird.
Questions are fine!
It looks like a nice tv.
Also, there's a lot of fairly cheap 8" and 14" pvms if you ever want to go to an rgb capable monitor.

>>5380808
I think the manual says it’s a 95 but mine is a 94. I’ve looked all over and can’t seem to find one.

>>5380873
aw, well that's a shame. Keep an eye out on craigslist though! Maybe you can find one with s-video.

I have a ps3 superslim, which is compatible with some ps2 games, I want to use it to play smt games mainly, does anyone know the resolution that the system outputs for ps2 classics? also, I have component cables and hdmi, would those games look better in a hdtv or in a pvm?

>>5380981
You can set it to a minimum of 480i in the resolution settings. It can work for PS2 games but I'd just play it on a flat screen. Makes things simpler. I have a separate PS2 and a PS3 myself. I have the PS2 plugged into a CRT and I have the PS3 hooked up to my modern TV

God I'm dying to grab a CRT, plug my PS and play some Time Crisis.

>>5381897

>>5379495
FUCKING GET IT
WHAT ARE YOU STUPID?

Are Blaupunkt CRTs any good? See a big bastard that's only an hours away. Never had any experience with the brand though

>>5372306
How you guys handle your cable work? I've gotten to the point where the speakers I use for audio output needs to use a squid with three Y adapters plugged in to manage all the different systems I use and only some are actually from a mechanical switchbox. No signal degradation but it's a fucking mess back there and I dread the day I get a new system and have to add the new cables and shit.

>>5379495
Nigga just don't tell them you'll drive 200km for it what are you stupid?

>>5372716
>>5372717
>>5372719
>>5372724
Either your camera is out of phase or your display needs to up the gamma

>>5373471
Always ask if the person can take additional pictures of the back and sides. Makes it easier to both identify and clearly show the inputs.

>>5373696
They are very good, and for the odor it's going to depend on a variety of factors but you should be willing to do a thorough internal cleaning when you pick up new secondhand electronics anyways.

>>5376167
>t b h
i seriously hope you don't say this

I thought I'd use a dvd recorder to convert s-video to component for my tv that only has composite and component inputs. I works but it also converts 240p to 480i. Am I SOL or is there a way to preserve 240p?

>>5382903
S-video can be passively converted to composite. You should be able to get a cheap wire adapter online, but if you don't trust those $2 Chinese dongles you can download a schematic and solder one yourself

>>5382903
Hey sorry I only half read your post, I'm >>5382914

S-video to composite is easy using a cheap adapter.
If you want s-video to component as in YPbPr, don't bother. The adapters out there are either for a different kind of s-video plug (7 pin), or will introduce input lag and look just as bad as s-video to composite.

>>5382920
I'm only interested in s-video --> component conversion since I can get composite video at the source.
If the source signal is 480i then the dvd recorder does the job. The image doesn't have dot crawl or checkerboarding. I haven't noticed lag but I haven't tested for it. The problem is that for consoles that output 480i (PS2, Xbox, Wii) I already have component cables.
I was interested in converting s-video to component when using SNES, modded Genesis, N64 with s-video output. But the problem is that 240p gets interlaced by the recorder. I guess the alternative would be to find a RGB --> component transcoder.

>>5382951
There isn't much of an advantage.
Composite video encodes everything on a single channel.
S-video encodes everything on two channels: Y (luma) and C (chroma).
Component encodes everything on three channels: Y (luma), Pb (blue - luma), and Pr (red - luma).

Mixing channels down (component -> s-video -> composite) is easy because you're doing little more than smashing signals together. If you go the opposite direction, you're taking a lower quality signal and splitting it across channels without the benefit of having a multi-channel source. It's like converting a compressed JPG to a PNG: sure, it's now a higher quality format, but it's still visually identical to the source.

In the case of s-video to component, your DVD recorder is carrying the Y (luma) signal and splitting the C (chroma) signal into Pb and Pr. If done really well, this is technically a modest improvement over a single-line composite, but it really depends on one thing: Which is better implemented, your video game system's composite line or your dvd recorder's C -> Pb + Pr line? I couldn't tell you but I have a feeling your game system composite is better.

>>5382951
You're at a loss hardware wise. DVD recorders can work well for converting composite and s-video sources to component, and some of them can even do basic upscaling to 480, 720p, and 1080i and output over component or HDMI. But they aren't straight transcoders, and are designed to output NTSC 480i or higher.

You can get a new tv or video monitor with s-video ports. Keeping your composite/component set, your best option for SNES and Genesis would be something like Retrovisions cables, which take those systems' native RGB and transcode it to component for easy use with North American tvs. For unmodded N64, you'd be stuck with composite only in this setup.

Does this look right? I'm setting up RetroArch from my PC to my TV through an HDMI to composite converter I found lying around.

>>5383010

>>5383010
Looks like SMW running through composite, what do you think may be wrong?

After a lot of experimenting, I've determined that I prefer the look of composite video over component/RGB, especially for Genesis and PS1. Anything better than that just exposes all the checkerboard patterns and other tricks used for dithering effects and fake transparencies, making games look far blockier than intended, and at that point I honestly think playing on an LCD with something like CRT-Hyllian looks better. Who else has abandoned the RGB meme and finally realized that composite offers a much more accurate experience, with a ton more graphical effects that are completely lost when the clarity is improved?

>>5382951
RGB to YPbPr transcoders are more common than S-video to YPbPr

Whats this port called?
Or a better question would be, is there converter from vga to this type of port capable of running from my Windows laptop VGA port to display emulated / pc games ?

Monitor its a NEC 1988 Syncmaster monitor

>>5383084
lol, you have to be kidding me. Any arcade port originally ran on RGB monitors in cabinets.
Composite looks like a blurry, blocky mess with rainbow interference and all sorts of other crap. If you like that stuff maybe you'd like RF.

>>5383241
serial port. It's commonly used for data, so the pinout would be unique to that monitor.

>>5383241
Sorry, not sure if its a Syncmaster, no sign of that name on the monitor but this is the Model number:

>>5383246
Well shit..
Probably gonna be hard to find the original one?
Also, what would the other side of the cable be like...

What other options are available you guys know about?

Thanks in advance

>>5383258
You could try soldering a custom cable together if you wanted. I'm almost certain it's just RGBHV going into it. Look up the pinout for the port if you can find it.

Replaced the big power caps, 250v, 100v, etc in a Toshiba 14AF46 to try and fix it's shitty underscan on the right side.
Screen filled in a little more but still had empty space on the right with max H shift in service menu.
Had to adjust the +B Gain pot to max the dial would go to get it all the way filled in, is this going to make it burst into flames or some shit? No jitter or picture yet from high voltage, gonna replace all the caps in this fucker soon anyway.

>>5372415
does "13 color TV" mean 13 inch?

And it's only RF? It doesn't get any shittier than that.

I mean, if you're too young to know any better... ok, fine. But you should really get something that has RGA/composite input.

>>5383265
http://creepingnet2017.blogspot.com/2017/01/misadventures-in-electronics-repair.html?m=
This guy did this to get it to work
Heres part two:
http://creepingnet2017.blogspot.com/2017/01/misadventures-in-electronics-repair_20.html?m=1
He did the soldering but not really sure if the end result it's the current thing we know as vga.. he did mentions though a certain "vga mode" on the second part...
He did mentions this one was ahead of its time with the over 640 res.
Feeling optimistic about it but not sure if too much of a hassle.
Should i get a more recent vga crt monitor from the 2000s instead?

>>5383246
It's not a serial port.

>>5383330
Looks like it does ~15-31kHz, including the original VGA card modes. Here's a cable for it, http://www.ambery.com/db9todbadca.html

>>5383367
fuck off pedant

>>5383241
>>5383246
>>5383258
Looks like a 64-color CGA/EGA monitor. those have 9-pin cables. signal is TTL RGB (5Vpp).
They're also rare as fuck, if you don't have a CGA/EGA machine, sell it instead of throwing it out.

>>5383069
I actually spent a few hours figuring out the resolution and aspect ratio. Anything but 256x224 at 8:7 gives me some weird scaling artifacts. Sorry, it's my first time messing with a crt for over 10 years, and I've never used RetroArch before either

>>5383245
Arcade hardware was far more advanced than home consoles up until at least the Saturn, and didn't have to rely on as many tricks to display more colors. That's a flawed comparison.

>>5383596
It should be 4:3. Try this shader to get rid of the scaling artifacts.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5_cUiAJwMMvOG9saVlSb01VMGc/view

>>5383775
>It should be 4:3
Yes, nevermind what I said. I found that no matter what I put in the settings it was running at 4:3 anyway. Something else I was wondering, how do people get those thick scan lines on these 240p games? On my TV I can barely see them, sorry if it's a dumb question

>>5383923
They're most notable on sets with high amounts of TV lines. On most consumer sets they're not especially noticeable. Whether you prefer the look is up to you

>>5383923
you can turn down contrast to exaggerate them.

>>5383923
It also depends on the signal. NTSC has thicker scanlines than PAL, unless it's PAL60.

>>5383935
Oh, so it's a thing on more high end devices as I thought. Nevertheless, the quality on games compared to an LCD is night and day. So there's no way to get thicc lines unless I shell out for a PVM?

>>5383957
I just tried that, it did exaggerate them but it looks too dark to enjoy

>>5383968
My TV is NTSC, but for some reason it does PAL too in case someone feels like ruining their experience

Thanks guys

>>5383991
Not really but it's kind of a rabbit hole unless you get lucky in finding one. I found a pretty nice professional CRT where I work a few months ago but nowadays I mostly prefer using my OSSC on a modern TV since the CRT was kind of small and I decided that it wasn't as huge of a difference as everybody was claiming it was. It's still pretty nice but I don't use it as much.

Okay, just did some research on it, and yeah its is a great find! Looks like it can switch from Analog VGA to TTL automatically, Something rare as this guy stated on his process of repair.
>>5383330

>>5383379
Nice! Thanks for the source of hard to find media hardware too.
Might Order this Cable.. It says it's specially made for NEC Multisync.. and cross fingers to not find any other issues...

Is there something like a visual cue inside the monitor that could tell me if its broken/useless already, that I should check before ordering the cable?
It actually has a big Smack on the plastic top of the back case, So I can literally see most of the insides, gonna post a picture later this day.

Pic not releated. Just same model playing some Doom.

>>5384176
Also, what kind of setup does the monitor input needs to have to not "burn" the monitor on first start.
Reducing the resolution its a must, but something extra like.. should I reduce the color on PC, should I reduce the Hz. on the pc etc. ?

What are the limitations on this type of monitor while using current media? Does it look really blocky in terms of FPS?

I want it to use for retro emulation mostly, but what happens if I throw out a modern PC game in Fullscreen on it? Or throw in a Dreamcast fullscreen emulation on it i.e.

Does the framerate would be useless compared to the needed on fast paced games?

Thanks

>>5384210
31kHz is 480p@60hz, if you drop the resolution I guess you can hypothetically increase the framerate, if you interlace you can "double" the framerate. That is all assuming the monitor accepts these.

>>5384283
computer monitors rarely accept interlaced video.

Is this worth 6 bucks

>>5384671
yes

Forgot pic

>>5384067
>unless you get lucky in finding one
That's the thing that puts me off, it's too much effort and not that much in return. I'm already super satisfied with my consumer set.
>it wasn't as huge of a difference as everybody was claiming it was
A week ago, before getting my first CRT in years I thought the same thing, that a regular LCD panel with crt-royale was all you needed to enjoy old games, and that CRTs were just a meme by nostalgia hungry boomers, but once I got a Trinitron and played some games I was impressed. The colors, the contrast, the sound, everything made me feel I was in my childhood playing my SNES or a real PS1. Maybe it's just the fire of a new toy to play with, but it certainly looks, sounds and feels better to play on it than it ever did while emulating on a computer.

>>5384756
And even when you do find good bargains (medical auctions are a great place to look) the monitors are often either lumped in with medical equipment/other monitors you won't use, or furniture, which can turn a hidden gem into a bidding war (with the other bidders not giving a shit about the monitor, they just want the A/V cart it's sitting on or the endoscopy machine it comes with). I just paid over $200 for an OEV-203 and a PVM-2043MD and am driving 12 hours total for them, not knowing how many hours these tubes have been used. Basically a gamble and in the end I probably wouldn't mind just getting a 36" consumer set and playing through S-Video

>>5384683
Cursed image

Is it worth going for a 20"+ CRT? Most good CRTs seem to be much smaller than that. I don't really like console gaming at my desk, so I'd really prefer something big to play on the couch.

>>5384756
Cringe and bluepilled.

>>5384798
Best professional monitors are going to be around 20", unless you're spending a fortune for a D24 or D32 (with 4:3 content on the 24 actually ending up slightly smaller than on a 20" PVM). If it doesn't bother you, there are some consumer sets out there in the 36" range that will still look pretty good

>>5384776
>the monitors are often either lumped in with medical equipment/other monitors you won't use, or furniture
I know that feel. In my area even consumer crts are getting rare to see, specially Sony tubes. Most people just throw them away. Those who sell them usually put them together with furniture and DVDs or other crap, that makes searching a lot harder.
>I just paid over $200 for an OEV-203 and a PVM-2043MD and am driving 12 hours total for them
You are very dedicated. I'd never spend that much or drive that long. I already thought paying 30$ for a 25" consumer set and driving a couple hours was too much, I can't even imagine doing the same. I wish you good luck though.

>>5384805
That's exactly what I would reply to what I said. Funny how things change

>>5384778
Another.

>>5384798
Yes, get as big a consumer set as you can, as a 20" pvm owner, fuck 20" pvms. Get a huge crt that takes component and s-video.

>>5384958
Post kot.

>>5384683
I own multiple PVMs, but I'm still tempted to pick up one of those shitty 14" VCR TV combos every time I come across one. Something about them is really charming.

>>5384807
There are monitors like the 2950Q and pic related that are 20"+ while still being 4:3. Although you'd still have much better luck finding a 20" one than the aforementioned PVMs.

guys im dying here, I just figured out the model number of the tv I grew up with but I CANNOT FIND A PICTURE OF IT ANYWHERE, if anyone can help the tv model is the HITACHI 50EX8K and the sticker said it was made in September of 1994.


Pic related was the remote for it

BIG MARIN

>>5383084
Nah. I'm debating this myself, but I'm a pleb who prefers s-video when he can get it because RGB just seems like a wasteful hassle for only marginal better quality. If I could RGB-mod composite sets that'd be a different story, but it's also a different discussion. The biggest killer of composite for me is the dot crawl, it causes color bleed over too many borders and noisy text that looks bad. I do respect some games look better through composite because of their various dithering effects like you said, and I'd rather play on a composite CRT than the best LCD, but something like s-video provides overall superior clarity without sacrificing the visual advantages of a CRT. Even on a high-end RGB set with a high TVL count, the CRT will do the splotchiest checkerboarded game more justice than an LCD with any filter applied.

>>5385260
RGB looks better than s-video due to the fact it has fixed phase and chroma, and no color bleed, solving all three of the main issues of s-video.
I don't get how you can't see how much those 3 issues negatively impact s-video signal output.

>>5385298
S-video simply doesn't look nearly as bad as composite and the step up to RGB is not worth the hoops you need to jump through to get it. RGB requires us burgers to pay out the ass for a meme set or learn to RGB mod, which isn't a simple operation.

>>5376140
I recognize that setup. Nice addition.

>>5385351
Nice trains

>>5385323
Or buy a transcoder to component.

Something I have wondered about CRTs for years: what is the maximum bit depth you can display on them?

Since CRTs are by nature an analog display device, wouldn't they have infinite bit depth? But how could you get one to display something like 30 bit color? Would it have to be designed with that feature in mind?

>>5386249
SGI and Radius had 10-bit per channel graphics output back in the 90s, presumably intended for CRTs.

I think the ultimate limiting factor would be RAMDAC frequency but I'm far from an expert in this field so others may wish to clarify/explain further.

>>5386413
This anon gets it.

>>5386413
ramdac is resolution.
color reproduction limits would be signal level (0.7v is a bit small range) but mainly phosphor reproduction.
note that HDR in flat panels is pretty lame as it uses backlight zones.

>>5386424
Fair enough. I was thinking in terms of quantising a large spread of values into the limited bandwidth available for the chroma portion of a video signal but yeah, like I said not an expert.

Afaik the human vision system is generally incapable of fully distinguishing more than 10 million or so discrete colours but it would certainly allow for some kickass smooth gouraud shading.

>>5386413
>>5386424
>RAMDAC
stop calling it that, it's been just "DAC" for the past 25 years.

cable management brought to you by locally sourced broccoli rubber bands

>>5386768
Needs more Wii

>>5385323
Not really.. If you want to go the RGB route, get a cheap extron switch on ebay, and the output of all your SCART input to the switch, can go through a Shinybow SCART to Component converter into your American set.

Considering that the UK folks would probably want a switch for multiple consoles anyway, the only real additional barrier is the Shinybow.

Just like collectors in the UK, the real hassle of RGB for all your consoles is the pricing of the cables. For me to hook up all my consoles with SCART and audio, I'm looking at like $60 in cabling for each system.

>>5386793
How? Most cables I bought were closer to the 40$ range

>>5386794
Because you generally buy a SCART cable, as well as a SCART to BNC cable for running into the Extron.

Then you need audio, which means getting phoenix connectors for the Extron, and also audio cables for that (or BNC to RCA connectors).

>>5386768
Cozy+cute setup.

>>5386793
>Shinybow SCART to Component converter into your American set.

I use retrotek but same idea.

Are you another homemade cable anon? That looks like the monoprice bnc cable. >>5386794
I think making them yourself was around $8-9 each with a sync stripper or $6 or 7 without. That's for the adapter like you have in pic. For each system it really depends. Some systems you can buy the cheapest most shit scart cable and at most have to do an audio breakout. Some systems do better with high quality like pack a punch. Usually CRT are far more forgiving and can get away with cheap scart cables for your systems.

Don't get me wrong, it's a real pain in the ass unless you like pissing around with old electronics and soldering and such. Even just shelling out cash and not modding yourself takes a lot of research and will turn you into an autist.

Pic not related, just a facebook marketplace freebie. Not the best tv, but it's nice to play on while making smoked meats using my smoker near the garage.

>>5386885
>mfw imagining anon "smoking meat" in his garage

Just kidding

>>5386885
I don't make all my own cables, no.. Just the audio connections into the phoenix plugs.

Trying to find info on the ADI Microscan G1000 detailed specs. Best i could find on google was CNET specs, wich i know can be wrong sometimes.
It has some wierd resolution polarity so thats why i want to know. The default resolution is out of whack and starts moving around.
Anyone got any info on this? I must do a custom resolution to let the screen use 1920x1440 or even 1600x1200 i think

Nobody wants to buy my 14" JVC i'art?

i think i fucked up the glass of my Trinitron Mulstican
should i look into fixing it or should i just scrap it and buy a different 17" CRT for a few bucks? Its a PC monitor Multiscan200ES

>>5387335
can't you just peel off the film?

>>5387265

These monitors are not Plug-n-Play and you don't need to find the specs. You just need to install the correct driver .inf file for them.

>>5387435
thanks
i found one.
do i just right click and "install" ?
Will it work with any version of Windows ?

Hi fellas.
Maybe one of you can help me out here.
I have a modded Wii hooked up via component to my PVM.
I'm trying to play NES games on it using FCE ultra GX.
The games work fine but I can't get it to display the games in full screen, no matter how much I stretch or raise the image from the setting I'm always getting a black bar in the upper screen (around 25% of the screen)
I was told that it might be the ntsc /PAL differences or related to 50/60Hz.

I've tried both EU and US roms but I get the same result and I'm at a los for options.

>>5387448
Is the Wii set to use 60Hz? Most NES games on 50Hz/PAL had pretty big bars.

>>5387573
I think so, but I can't say for sure, I'll check when I'm back home.

Will switching to 50 Hz fix my issue?

>>5387615
50Hz will have more bars and games running slower, most NES games were really meant for 60.

>>5387265
>>5387440
inf files are shit.
wipe the EDID with CRU, then make custom resolution in nvidia control panel.

>>5387335
Worth fixing.

>>5387335
Removing the anti glare film is easy, I've done it to several monitors to un fuck the screen. It makes the image brighter too.

Okay, so I'd like to watch some old SD anime on my crt because it looks pretty shitty on a modern display. I know I can use a ps3 + media server to get to a crt. Do I need to change the signal from analog to digital somehow? Does it happen automatically? And/or does it matter for video quality?

>>5387991
Just use the av multi out with component or s-video cables.

>>5388003
>Just use the av multi out with component or s-video cables.
Cool, is there no other configuration needed? I read something about holding down the power button to switch between analog and digital, but wasn't sure if that was a real concern. I'm waiting on an svideo cable, my crt doesn't do component.

>>5388014
Holding down the button is simply to reset the video output to composite 480i. Once you've got it up and running go into the display settings and make sure it's being told to output s-video in the correct aspect ratio.

I just picked up one of these. For me it's the perfect size, it looks cute, and it's a 2006 model which is a pretty recent tube. The one drawback is that it only does composite and RF. I'm pretty new to this stuff but composite isn't my preference, I'm not sour on this TV at all but is there anything you lads think I could do to squeeze a cleaner signal out of it?

>>5388567
There are people that do RGB mods on TVs. Depending on the jungle chip it might be possible for your set.

>>5388567
unless you want to RGB mod your tv, then no. That is a cute TV and I'm sure composite looks just fine on it.

>>5388567
Since there's only one RCA jack for audio, I'd recommend getting some kind of external solution that allows for stereo.

Anyone know what brand or maybe model pic related is? Ad says "premiere sound" and it's $5. If it's decent I'll probably get it since it would be nice if it had decent sound. Second pic with rear to follow.

I got a bvm which is pretty nice but it lacks sound , I plan to use RGB and component from different consoles in it, can I use any regular set of speakers as long as they have inputs for the audio from my consoles ?

>>5389308
Yes. Many speakers the same RCA inputs consoles output to. This video is a useful resource for finding cheap speakers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovp4cJUQDI0

>>5388567
I have that TV lying on the backyard. Mine had the image a lit blurry. The last thing that I play there were some PS2 games in 2014.

On 2009~ I played with some NES games there, but I don't remember how they looked.

I'm waiting to get a Trinitron from a relative.

>>5389308
Depending on the speaker, you might need to buy an external amplifier (like a cheap headphone amp) or a head unit.

Guys, this is pretty interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=476QlbFZanY

I've had a Panasonic BT-H1390YN for a while but it seems to have poor black levels for some reason. Is it possible to fix it? I've heard some people talk about recapping but I forget what exactly that would fix.

>>5390149

>>5390163
It's possibly G2 voltage drift.

If you open it up the flyback transformer will have two pots on it, Focus and G2 (may be called screen). Adjust the brightness control to its middle setting then tweak the G2/Screen pot so there is a minimal amount of glow with no signal input.

Obviously avoid touching the big red cable and use a well insulated tool.

General thoughts on downscalers? All of the usable Extron models are way too expensive so I was looking at the compatible TV One Corio 2 models and the DVDO iScan HD+. Worth the hassle to get away from shitty flickering?
Going to use w/ ps2 and ps3, into either TM-H150CG or KV-27FS13.

>>5391069
Probably not worth the trouble. Why would you need it for a PS2 anyways?

>>5391086
What I meant to say is ps1 games through ps3, for which it would likely make a much more significant difference.
All of these seem much too expensive as of right now so I'm inclined to agree with you

>>5391094
It would probably be cheaper, easier and get better results to just use a PS2 or PS1 to play those games.

>>5391132
Or PSP Go/3000

>>5391132
I'll do more work on getting my PS2 to work with OPL SMB. I'll probably use the ps3 for primarily video and ps3 games then. thank you

>>5389373
Fucking vindication. Practically all of my Audio components have come from thrift stores. People chuck Full 5/7.1 setups all the time.

>>5391247
>People chuck Full 5/7.1 setups all the time
Gotta love those soundbartards

Hey all, got my CRT set up a while back mostly for SNES but i've recently decided I want to watch 4:3 anime and television on it too. Found a nice little DVD player with component output, but there is noise with the cheap bundled in cables. Where would I find some nice component cables?

I got a 1993 Mitsubishi Megaview, and the picture is straight on the right side, but a little curved on the left. How do I fix this? None of the OSD menu items were able to help.

Is there a 32 bit win7 version of CRT EMU driver available somewhere?

>>5391940
>Where would I find some nice component cables?

Search for "shielded" component cable on ebay. The other option would be to poke around in local junk stores, pawn shops with a box of cables, thrift stores, etc. You'll likely strike out, but sometimes you can find a great cable for a couple dollars.

I have a PC with an nvidia 770 gtx gpu, I want to connect it to my pvm to be able to run games at 240p and 480i using component into the rgb connectors, what would be the best way to connect it? using an hdmi to component converter and using nvidia custom resolutions? i've heard that using the nvidia control panel it's possible to get 240p, but I don't know if it's possible getting 240 video from hdmi output, I could try using dvi to component but I can't find any converters, what about a dvi to hdmi adapter and then hdmi to component? Could I suffer from quality loss?

>>5392049
Nope, it's only made for 7+ 64 bit now, there's also an older version for XP 32 bit and x64.

>>5392857
For 240p use DVI-I to VGA to something that can combine sync, Extron box works great, if your monitor isn't too picky VGA to BNC cable with BNC T connecot may work.

Getting interlacing to work under Windows is a real pain, for 480i may want a separate downscaler device, HDMI to component boxes work.

>>5393432
I have a bvm 1311 with RGB slot card

>>5393994
I'd go Extron box for sync, feed it RGsB.

>>5394003
Which extron ? Also, currently I have a Wii with component cables, my bnc adapters arrive today, will I be able to connect the component into the RGB and get picture or do I need to sync? Sorry if dumb question , new to high end video .

>>5394179
You should be able to plug it in via component just fine into the R-Y Y and B-Y inputs

>>5394228
Alright, thanks! So, I only need an extron if I want to connect my PC to my bvm? Or could I just use ,dvi-i to vga+vga to component+custom resolutions on Nvidia control panel?

>>5377243
Hi, other Iowan. Mostly off topic, but are there any thrift stores here that are worth a damn as far as this board would be concerned? The closest thing I found was a 100MB zip disk and a busted up xbox at a goodwill.

>Pick up new Blaupunkt CRT
>Picture is beautiful
>Geomatry is surprisingly good
>Just need to be move to the right a tad and a tiny bit down
>Lucky enough that the owner still had the manual
>Look up service mode
>Easy to access
>Service mode required a code
>Look to manual
>"the service mode is only for dealers"
>Google it
>No results

>>5394236
Not in southeast part no. Jay's isn't too bad in des moines but it's pretty much retail prices.

>>5394354
Which model? Chassis would also help if you know it.

>>5395107
>>5395112
>>5395113
Has he started putting the appropriate capacitors in those overpriced cables yet or did all the r&d get spunked on custom moulded connectors with his logo on?

>>5372759
>>5377243
there´s an abandoned pc crt in my gramps house, it looks ultra dirty, is it worth pick it up? maybe it dosen´t work.

>>5395113
Kek you fell for the meme.

>>5395125
If you have to ask, no.

>>5395135

What meme?

>>5395125
always pick up PC CRTs. don't listen to the pvmemers with their overpriced TVs.

>>5395165
In principle I agree and can't resist a good PC CRT but...

They aren't any use for console gaming outside of 6th gen up without much fuckery. Video monitors are a whole different kettle of fish built to serve a different purpose, neither is better or worse.

>>5389308

If you're going all out on video quality, why are you looking to go the cheap route on sound?

Get a reciever, and get some good speakers. L, R, CT, and SUB at the minimum.

>>5395113
Retroaccess makes better stuff

>>5395196
>CT

>>5395196
Why would you want surround for retro games? Hardly any support it natively and Pro-Logic is pants.

>>5395271
pro-logic is pretty great, idk what you're on about.

>>5395271

Where did you get the idea that I have surround sound? There's literally only 3 speakers in the picture.

But regardless, even IF I had surround sound, it would be utilized with the PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube. Which are, in fact, retro at this point.

>>5395273
If you're used to crappy computer speakers I bet it sounds awesome. To me it's granular as fuck and the artefacting makes me physically sick.

t. Marantz surround receiver, Yamaha sub/centre/surrounds and JR fronts.

>>5395286
>Where did you get the idea that I have surround sound?
Um, the fact you're recommending (nay insisting) on a centre speaker and sub.

Honestly surprised you didn't tell anon to get a whizzbang soundbar tbqh.

>>5395189
Question about OSSC on a VGA monitor: How does it work with games that have 480i menus but 240p gameplay. Does it automatically detect and adjust or is it manual?

>>5395303
Automagically and much faster than a framememeister.

Some people find the bob deinterlacing below-par but it's not all that obnoxious in my experience. 480i is always going to be better on a CRT anyhow.

>>5395318
By CRT I'm of course referring to a TV or video monitor which is designed for 480i signals and doesn't require any deinterlacing whatsoever.

>>5395318
>>5395321
Roger that.

>>5395196
25" or 20"?

>>5394235
Can do VGA to component transcoder, but not a straight cable.

>>5395476

20, unfortunately. Just a tad too small.

>>5395586
I have the same 2030 model and a couple of other 20" sets. They're just big enough to not drive me crazy but 25" would be sweet. Yours looks good though.

What's the best way to get Plex and local network folders to display on a 15khz display ?
I want to watch my old school animu and weird VHS rips in my sofa, preferably in 480i over RGB.

>>5396539
Ps3+universal media server

>>5396539
Or X360 + Plex app.

>>5395291
Cool humble brag, loser. I have a 5.1 setup and a good avr, I'm just not a wannabe audiophile like you I guess.

So, how bad are the OSSCs from chinese sellers?

>>5396823
where?

>>5396857
ebay. Also aliexpress, if I'm not mistaken.

>>5396762
>I'm just not a wannabe audiophile like you I guess.
Yes you are, otherwise you'd just use stereo for retro games.

>>5396904
I do use stereo for retro games. 6th gen isn't retro, dumbass.

What's the best audio visualizer solution for my CRT? would like to incorporate it into my stereo setup. I'm aware of the pixelmusic 3000, I'm looking for something similar that I don't have to build myself. Any ideas?

>>5396574
>>5396636
Thanks, I'll try to get a PS3 then

>>5397142
Keeping it /vr/ related, I like Flux but obviously you'll need a Mega CD and play your music from discs.

https://youtu.be/Oswpqv22TIg

Atari Video Music would be uber cool, I imagine they're pretty expensive now.
https://youtu.be/wle0eqBwtL8

>>5396574
Don't do this. PS3s in 480i have a weird overscan/zoom issue in the video player that can't be compensated for by console settings or in your CRT's geometry settings without squashing the image.

>>5398797
What if you're using Movian? Also, can the PS3 output 480i RGB?

>>5398849
480i is the lowest resolution they support, if you play PS1 games on it they're upscaled.

>>5397142
OpenCubicPlayer is retro dos and plays mp3s.
https://www.cubic.org/player/

>>5398797
It's the video output itself actually and you can compensate by underscanning or adjust the encoder settings in ums.

I may have a problem...

>>5399583
>lcd
ya I think I see the problem.
how's that SC-880 sound with SC-55 games?

>>5399610
I'd don't actually own an SC-880, that box actually contains a Sony TA-N88 amplifier if I recall correctly. Need to go through this stuff, it hasn't been touched in a year since I moved.

Pic related, the only bit of Roland MIDI gear I do own.

>>5399669
I can ID almost everything in that pic, except for the monitors on top of the 8" PVMs. I know that the one on the left is a JVC, at least.

>>5399669
I've seen that device before, it's not MT-32 compatible is it?

>>5399694
Yup it's a JVC VM-R150EK. The other one is an Amstrad CTM644 with SCART conversion.

All those (15)BVM-D9s have HD-SDI cards in them. I may begin offloading at some point, got them for next to nothing out of a decommissioned OB truck and they're not much use to me.

>>5399708
I don't believe so, just GM and GS. I haven't actually tried the MIDI-in, just downloaded files from floppies.

It sounds rather good even though the built-in speaker.

is this on auto-sage again?

>>5401540
guess not then. anyway bump because this thread was about to die.

>>5401540
7 days was the limit for all threads on /vr/ for a little while. Now 14 days is the limit.

stay hydrated

Unless I have overlooked something I believe I have successfully played back 10-bit color video on a PC CRT monitor using the "force 10-bit input" option in mpc-hc and a 10-bit sdr video file. I used a variety of 10-bit test sequences and turned off every dithering option I can find and the tests show it is playing true 10-bit video.

Nothing to do with /vr/ really, just thought it was worth noting.

>>5395189
That looks so incredibly good.

That feeling of sadness when you see a 19-20" CRT with only RF on the rear and mono sound composite on the front sitting in the snow bank on the curb. I'm sorry little guy, I can't save you, but thank you for your service, I'm sure you brought someone some joy in the past.

>>5395189
>They aren't any use for console gaming outside of 6th gen up without much fuckery.
you're an idiot

>>5403385
Okay smart Alec, what's your methodology?

>>5403408
A PC CRT is

>still "zero" lag
>still has great contrast
>4:3 aspect ratio
>RGB
>equivalent or better TVL to best late-gen CRT production monitors
>often have very fine control of picture without needing service mode, some of the best even have digital convergence
>excellent geometry and focus from corner to corner, much better than the average consumer CRT or even production monitors
>robust design unlikely to ever fail (with notable exception of Trinitrons with g2 brightness issue)
and finally
>with use of RetroArch shaders can present an image which is extremely close to that which is seen on a production monitor, but can also be flexible with shader choices to emulate older, rougher looking CRTs with noise, lower TVL, and mask types.
and one more bonus, for those who are not slaves to "accuracy"
>useful for 3d games in higher rendering resolutions or high res texture packs

They're also quite a lot cheaper on the average, although I am betting that will be changing rather rapidly in the next few years as CRTs in general become more scarce and more realize what can be done with a PC CRT if you venture beyond the traditional dogma that has been perpetuated on this board and many others based off of notions that were partially-true a decade ago.

>>5403443
in my experience, pc crts failed all the time

>>5403471
I've owned 50 of them and never had an issue with any.

>>5403443
Thanks for the wall of text. Now answer the question and prove me wrong.

How are they optimal, or even useful for use with consoles from gens 1 through 5?

>>5403443
Not even that anon, but none of that debunks the original statement

>They aren't any use for console gaming outside of 6th gen up without much fuckery.

As far as I know there's no simple way to connect an older game console to a PC CRT. No, emulation boxes don't fucking count. We talking about connecting actual game consoles here.

>>5403958
>Simple
Depends on what you count as simple. Any linedoubler with VGA out can work. Likewise, any linedoubler with HDMI out can be easily (and laglessly) converted to VGA with a decent converter.

>>5403958
Exactly. For my pic in >>5395189, I had to run the Saturn through an OSSC then an Extron DVS510 with some weird and wonderful cabling and carefully selected scaling, processing and signal conversion settings.

Granted I ended up with slightly under 3 frames of lag which is just about playable for most games but it's hardly a simple hookup job now is it?

>>5403964
By "simple", I mean without jumping through any hoops like jury-rigging yourself a connection or spending a hundred bucks or more on a bloody line doubler just to make it all work You realize most people get into CRTs because they don't wanna mess with that shit, right?

whats a good price for a working Commodore 1084S-D2 monitor? guy is asking $200 and I'm not sure if that's a reasonable price.

>>5401540
>>5402681
This thread is out of bump time now.

>>5403958
you have to do some tinker, you're working with 2 vastly different video realms.
However, the tinker is, more often than not, vastly overblown. It's hobby level soldering 99%, and that 1% tricky soldering you can get the hang on some old S3 virge.

>>5404491
Soldering, period, is too much "fuckery" for most people. Just because you're willing to put in the effort to connect your consoles to a PC CRT doesn't mean most other people are.

>>5404550
then they have to pay the lazy tax

>>5404559
Or they'll just go with options that are less trouble, which is the point the other anon made to begin with. Most other people aren't going to be married to this idea of using PC CRTs like you are.

PC CRTs are terrible if you're looking to hook up old game consoles without any fuss.

>>5404563
OSSC + HDMI-VGA is about as simple as you can get, but it's costly
but if you also consider getting proper console cables to be troublesome, in a day where every AVout is documented and numerous vendors sell quality cables, then you're hopeless, just sit on your fatass.

>>5404571
I redirect you to my earlier post

>>5403985
>or spending a hundred bucks or more on a bloody line doubler just to make it all work

I'd say $200+ just to connect to the damn thing falls under "too much fuss" for most people. Money doesn't just grow on trees.

>>5404576
>what is a hobby

I can do it QED.

I simply choose not to as the end result is not worth the hassle.

>>5404582
Most of these people have video games as their hobby, not CRTs. They just wanna find something good and be done with it, and they aren't willing to invest the time and/or money of connecting a console to a PC CRT. Why do you refuse to accept this point?

>>5404594
they aren't because they think it's impossible.
which is not.

>>5404598
No, all it takes is two seconds in google to find out it's possible, they just find it too bothersome. Most people aren't willing to solder or invest $200+ into it. Why do you refuse to accept this?

>>5403985
It's a simple if very expensive solution. It allows you to use one CRT monitor for both SD and HD content, which sounds pretty ace to me and it's a unique niche. Line doublers will give you a better result than an HDTV and a Framemeister, which is of even greater cost.

Yes, it's very expensive, but it's not exactly a fuss, just a high extra cost.

>>5404607
Most plebs don't want to spend that kind of money, period. I'll even agree with you on your points, hell, I just ordered an OSSC for myself yesterday. Although I'm actually using it for a modern TV because I'm too sensitive to imperfect geometry for CRTs.

I'm just saying, regardless of what you or I would do, most people wouldn't invest the time or money it takes to get the really good shit.

>>5404616
I'm not that anon you've been speaking to and I only just noticed their posts reflect mine.

All I'd say is consumer sets are a great option if you live in the EU etc. I stick to consumer sets, but if I had to condense my setup (2x20" LCDs, 32" consumer CRT and 50" plasma) into one monitor, it'd be a high end CRT monitor with adapters. It's not that it's complex, just expensive, but it's also very niche so that makes sense.

>>5403958
>As far as I know there's no simple way to connect an older game console to a PC CRT.
It's very simple. You stop being a dumbass and download RetroArch.

>We talking about connecting actual game consoles here.
I don't give a fuck

>>5403985
How stupid are you? How easy-mode do you need things to be? Also how poor?
>a hundred bucks or more on a line doubler
is that supposed to be expensive? Even for a poorfag this would be a one-time purchase for something that is presumably going to be one of their main hobbies.

But just use Retroarch like a sane person and it won't cost you a thing

>>5404550
Who the fuck are these theoretical "other people" you are always referring to? This is /vr/, not IGN. I don't give a damn what some clueless pleb who never touched a screwdriver in their life thinks is too complicated or too much effort. Those people are just going to buy a clone system and play the same 3 pleb games on their laggy LCD TV anyway. To hell with "most people".