/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5368179
I have three of those, huh. Thanks dad.

Owning an old ass PC is as much a "meme" as owning an old ass console. I don't see why one would be any less justifiable than the other.

>>5368198
One requires more work since it involves acquiring all the needed hardware one by one and then putting it together.
That alone makes it more autistic in my book

>>5368179
You can always emulate. Dosbox, Munt, Wine, nGlide, etc. are pretty good alternatives now. Do something because you want to do it.

I have been wanting to build a J-Win98SE machine for over a year now, but have run out of funds to do so (last year's tax return). I also want to upgrade/remake my 486DX4 machine and start on my retro Windows 7 build too. Be aware with real parts it can cost a lot.


>>5368184
I am so jealous. I have 0 of those and I only want one. In the meantime, I am going to use an old 6800GT and using nGlide for my J-Win98SE machine. I noticed it has a S-video out port, and was considering what emulation possibilities are available using that output to old CRT TVs.

>>5368198
I always assumed that backwards compatibility on newer machines allowed games to run more or less visually identical to older systems, as well as the fact that you can basically recycle a 20+ year old case and put modern hardware in it. The only thing I can think of that would be different is sound cards, poor performance, and maybe the sounds of period-hardware (floppy/cd drives etc). I'm curious how wrong I am.

I've got about a dozen retro machines, going from 286 all the way up to a C2D that is still fully Win98 compatiable.

I enjoy them for retro gaming for sure, but I also work on coding and hardware projects. Made a PS/2 to serial mouse adapter, lets me use a modern laser mouse on an old 286 lol, it feels really weird to do so. Also plan on working on capturing VGA signal from old PCs to help learn more about analog signals, will probably need to buy a FPGA board for that though.

Unless you have a educational, coding, or other such curiosity/interest in old hardware, I'd say just emulate, especially if you're just gaming. XP runs with full 3d acceleration in VMware player, that can run tons of 98-2005 games. And for anything win95/dos and older just use DOSbox and/or PCEM.
No reason to maintain full extra OSs and all of their fucked up quarks if you just simply want to game.

>>5368285
>I noticed it has a S-video out port, and was considering what emulation possibilities are available using that output to old CRT TVs.
I did this with my old Geforce 5770 back in the day. Outputed via composite to my 28'' TV and had a SNES to parallel port adapter to play ZSNES and other such emulators with on my TV. Shit was rad back in 2003.

>>5368179
for a wide-range system, I like the pentium 2 with unlocked multiplier:
at full speed it runs all the late dos games at 60+ fps.
underclock to 133mhz, now you can run daggerfall.
disable cpu caches, enable acpi throttle, now you have more or less an 8086.

It's easy enough to build a nice DOS/Win3 machine
It's easy enough to build a nice Win98 machine
You will have to jump through a lot of hoops to build a machine that will cover both
It's not worth the hassle
It will make you cry

>>5368324
That's a P6 core though isn't it?

It was my understanding that only P5s (up to Pentium MMX) could be throttled all the way back.

>>5368339
I've got several machines that will do both. Just get a VIA chipset socket 370 and a P3 that has a ISA slot for a Sound Blaster, ESS, or Yamaha sound card.
Between downclocking using the VIA chipset and disabling via software the different cashes, I can get my P3 down to the speed of a 286 for those DOS 3.0 era games.
Shits easy, you just need to know what to do.
>What about video in Win 3.1?
There is a modern VESA 2.0 driver for Win 3.1, works fine on my Geforece FX 5600 I've got in my machine.

>>5368240
>dedication is autism and thus bad
ok

>>5368179
Semi related, what are some good windows 98 comparable GFX cards with s-video built in?

>>5368368
Any Geforce FX card. You can get 5500s NEW off of Aliexpress to this day for around ~$25
The cards suck for Dx9 games, but you might as well run those on modern Windows systems anyways. They are fantastic for Dx1-8 and have great DOS compatibility too (rock solid VESA support)
They almost always have a S-video+Composite port on them

>>5368370
I went with a 9700 Pro but desu I didn't use it much before fitting a Voodoo2 SLI and Voodoo3 combo on my 440bx mobo.

It certainly is a fast card for its day though and I don't recall any glaring DOS compatibility issues.

>>5368285
Are Audigy ZS worth anything? I have thrown out a few of them over the years because they didn't work with later operating systems.

>>5368393
>I went with a 9700 Pro
Great for Dx8 and 9 stuff, but is a bit lacking in older game compatibility here and there due to Ati just not focusing on it with their drivers, and ATi's VESA comparability was pretty lame so you may have issues with select DOS titles, even if they just use standard EGA/VGA calls.
The 9xx0 series was amazing back in the day for it's Dx9 rendering (specifically pixel shader 2.0) but I woulnd't recommend it for retro stuff. But your mileage may very, depending on what your running it may work just fine.

>>5368393
To follow up on my post, here is a MASSIVE chart of VGA card compatibility and dos titles
https://gona.mactar.hu/DOS_TESTS/
tl;dr the best cards are all from S3 and Nvidia.

>>5368397
Not really, they only work on XP and above.
Audigy 1 (not 2) is the last Win98 era Creative card series, and does still have DOS TSR drivers (even if they suck a bit)

Yeah. It's pretty fucking based to be able to play everything you remember with period accurate top of the line hardware / today's technological benefits.

>>5368324
I recently found a motherboard that has both slot 1 and socket 370, with FSB configurable from 66 MHz to 150 MHz. Covers a huge range of CPU speeds.

>>5368349
not sure what you mean by "all the way", but acpi throttling definitely slows down p2/p3 systems to a crawl.

>>5368453
abit board? some of those have clock gens adjustable in 1mhz increments. I think mine goes up to something stupid like 200mhz.

>>5368179
If you want to get some software working properly you need to get vintage hardware sometimes. Good luck running Win 3.1 shit from the discs on modern machines. Emulation only works so well sometimes

>>5368432
don't forget the voodoo3, it's one of the fastest vesa cards around and has a fairly complete vbe3 implementation. the only incompatibilities listed are with lcd screens, which you shouldn't use anyway if you're on this board.

>>5368472
It doesn't have a brand on it, just "993AN". I really like it, but I think it needs a capacitor job because sometimes it has to "warm up" for a minute before it will boot.

>>5368478
They do make for some good DOS cards. Reason I usually don't recommend them is Glide can be a mean bitch sometimes (just early 3d in general) and they're more expensive to get your hands on one. But otherwise they do work really we. Have a a AGP VooDoo 3 3000 that all serves me well in my P3 Glide box.

>>5368482
oh that's a jetway board. i had the same one in my first 440bx system, back in 99 or so.

>>5368486
I checked ebay just now - jesus christ. less than 5 years ago people were throwing these away for pennies. good thing I still have a box full of spares.

>>5368501
I refused to spend the crazy $100+ for Voodoo cards, its just not worth it.
I got all of mine for super cheap by picking up PCs from recycling yards. Just pay the dude $20 a case under the table and he'll let me pick off shit from the pallets that otherwise would be sent to be crushed.
Got several 486s, Voodoo1s 2s, a few Creative AWE cards, etc, etc from doing this.
Whatever I don't want I just resell on ebay. At least its saved from being destroyed.

>>5368504
oh man, one of my best friends runs a recycling yard. you should see my attic.

>>5368516
Nice. They're the best places to get a lot of neat shit. But a lot of people refuse to get their hands dirty even if it means free stuff. Their loss, our gain.

>>5368285
>but have run out of funds to do so
hey look its the guy that's perpetually out of money posting tons of shit

>>5368453
>>5368472
Adjustable FSB frequency is all well and good but keep an eye on the AGP and PCI dividers as this can ruin your day.

>>5368179
I like tinkering with old hardware in general. I'll get things from recycling, repair and resell anything I don't need myself.
>>5368297
>maybe the sounds of period-hardware (floppy/cd drives etc)
I've got plenty of drives but the disks are just dying left right and center. So I went full autism and modded a gotek floppy emulator to make read and seek sounds.

>>5368849
>I went full autism and modded a gotek floppy emulator to make read and seek sounds.
As someone who owns 5 of those this interests me greatly.
Have a link anon?

>>5368179
They're awesome. I have about a dozen desktops and laptops just for retro stuff.

>>5368504
>I got all of mine for super cheap by picking up PCs from recycling yards
Same here. Although the recycling center I got both of mine from would sell the parts separately. Thankfully they didn't realize how much the Voodoo cards go for.

>>5368936
AWE64 gold and a voodoo banche? Going off of the header pins for the voodoo there.

>>5368853
There's a couple ways to do it. You can tie a piezo peeper right into the motor pins or you can install flashfloppy and it makes the signal available on one of the jumper headers.
https://github.com/keirf/FlashFloppy

As someone who has been tweaking old hardware for a few months, I can definitely say that it is expensive, autistic, and unbelievably fun. Tracking down the "best of the best" gear is expensive if you don't have as much access to recycling sources, but you can always start cheap and small. Voodoo 5's in particular are a massive cash sink, not just for the card but also in tracking down an appropriate motherboard. Fortunately for Windows users an Audigy 2 ZS is maybe ten bucks. A NOS Aureal card can be had for fifty, much less if you're patient. The kind of machine I have been tweaking down to the tiniest details is a Pentium MMX system that I've been able to clock down to 286/386 speeds. It's got 4 ISA slots, 3 PCI slots, and none of them are shared. Currently using a stable and supported S3 Virge graphics card, gigabit ethernet adapter, Sound Blaster Pro 2, Music Quest clone card, and Gravis Ultrasound Plug N Play with it. Also rocking tons of MIDI gear. Creative Game Blaster replica kit on the way. Very expensive setup, but not at all what anyone needs to start.

Covering all eras is a tricky pain in the ass though. You can't hit them all in one go, period. I use the MMX for covering everything after 8088 through at least Duke 3D at 320x400. I have an overkill Voodoo 5500 setup with an Athlon XP 3000+ for everything Windows 98 and early XP. A system like this can run two PCI sound cards, the video card, maybe an additional video accelerator, and gigabit ethernet without too much trouble. Windows 98 starts to get mad about IRQ conflicts with all those slots in use. I've also got a Voodoo 3 K6-III+ system on the backburner as an intermediary, hopefully to put an AWE32 to good use.

>>5369017

I'm somewhat tempted to sell the K6-III+ and Athlon XP stuff in favor of a dual Pentium 3 system with at least one ISA slot, 2 preferably. This could run XP for dual CPU support, 98SE for single CPU support, then clock down much lower for speed sensitive stuff. With the AWE32 in the ISA slot, coverage is massive. If I get one with 2 ISA slots, I could move the GUS PNP into that and put something like an SSI-2001 replica in the MMX machine, though I'm not sure if it's worth it for some mediocre SID support.

So, in short, plenty of options to be as autistic as you want.

>>5368970
>tfw pimped out gotek w/oled display, rotary controller and sound for 20 bucks

>>5368179
It's not a meme if you enjoy it. Don't start to build one and quit halfway through. Also, make sure you have the appropriate drives and one of those huge fucking joysticks for X-Wing.

>>5369214
>one of those huge fucking joysticks

>>5368549
Always on the same marble countertop, always with a note. I wish he would go attention whore somewhere else.

>>5368179
The rabbit hole goes way down. I'm currently waiting on an order of nichicon capacitors in order to replace the aged shit-tastic ones in the only AT power supply I still have.
>What would be the best build to cover as many bases as possible on one system?
Probably an AMD K6-III on a SS7 board with proper ISA slots and good CPU control, just because of how wide a range that setup can cover. If you can slow it down far enough on the low end to make Wing Commander run properly then you know you've done good.

>>5368179
This sort of thing opens up an insatiable appetite. Be warned. You'll drive yourself mad.

t. perpetually furious man

>>5368198
>I don't see why one would be any less justifiable than the other.

Virtually everything that runs under windows 9x will run under windows 10 with little to no effort, and will usually run better.

Even Dosbox runs the vast majority of games near flawlessly at this point.

I just don't see enough difference between playing on era-appropriate hardware to make a retro PC build worth while. There's absolutely an argument for a CRT monitor, but using a complete machine just feels excessive to me.

>>5369527
>There's absolutely an argument for a CRT monitor
I too understand the allures of a fine CRT but it's debatable. OLED and QLED are getting better.

I only have a CRT TV for consoles at this point. I don't mind using older 4:3 LCDs for retro PCs.

>>5369527
>Virtually everything that runs under windows 9x will run under windows 10 with little to no effort, and will usually run better.
Not really. a lot of obscure games that never got the GoG treatment or even some of the ones that did don't work fully on 10. So many ones I've wanted to play that I decided to build a machine instead.

>>5369527
>Even Dosbox runs the vast majority of games near flawlessly at this point.
Christ I wish. It emulates only a limited subset of hardware and something's fucky more often than not. It's adequate, especially if you're not accustomed to how things play and sound on real hardware, but I'm not willing to settle for that.

>>5370101
You're like an audiophile defending that vinyl sounds totally better because it's less compressed than digital.

>>5370116
Except it's the new "digital" system that flutters and pops and shit.

>>5370116
>opl3 (as emulated by dosbox)
https://www.wavetable.nl/files/comparison/games/Doom/E1M1/Doom%20-%20E1M1%20%5BCreative%20SB16%5D.mp3
>rap-10
https://www.wavetable.nl/files/comparison/games/Doom/E1M1/Doom%20-%20E1M1%20%5BRoland%20RAP-10%5D.mp3

yea placebo vs placebo is a great analogy

>>5368970
Thanks anon, I'll look further in to that.
I only learned of flashfloppy the other day and haven't flashed any of my drives yet with it, cool that it has this built in too. Guess that will be my weekend project.

>>5368297
>I always assumed that backwards compatibility on newer machines allowed games to run more or less visually identical to older systems,
Hah, god no! The dirty secret to PC gaming in the directX world is that games are not written to any actual spec. They just are iteratively tested on a "representative sample" of hardware meaning that they make all sorts of mistakes that just sort of work on the popular cards at the time.
If your game is popular, some poor sod at nVidia and AMD has the job of maintaining compatibility through driver hacks on newer cards and OSs but eventually everything is destined to crash out or have rendering bugs.
The older games are the worse it gets because things that we take for granted to be standard like Z-buffer depths, pixel centers, subpixel alignment, etc. actually weren't at all back in the late 90s. Texture seams, holes and z-fighting happen because 3dfx, ATI, nVidia, PowerVR, etc. all had slightly conflicting ideas about how to do it and their DirectX drivers only sort of fixed it.

>>5370116
>>5369527
Just to add my 2 cents. If we accept the axiom that people who think that Higan "just doesn't FEEL right" when compared to aging hardware as objective truth; then Dosbox isn't even ZSNES. It's one of those emulators you've never heard of in the dusty corners of zophar's domain that only sort of plays 60% of the snes catalogue with major glitches everywhere.
Dosbox is like lots of PC things. It works well with popular stuff, not so much with less popular things. It's a pile of hacks that kind of does the job well enough to kill the nostalgia pains but not something you really want to get serious with.
It doesn't help that the version you get off their website doesn't have fixes for cpu scaling and the versions bound to most of GoG's library are older still.

>>5370683
I don't think you appreciate how much development there has been for DOSBox since the last stable release.
DOSBox ECE is a latest SVN compiled one with extra patches. I've used it for plenty of odd ball things including timing sensitive stuff like scene demos, etc.

>most of GoG's library are older still.
GoG releases have always mostly been trash. Even for popular well supported games they still often have DOSBox poorly set up. Thats not a reflection of DOSBox but GoG on that.

>>5370716
dosbox has had a new release and barely anything changed.

>>5370724
That was a quick patch on top of .74 for a Win7+ fix. DOSBox has had literally thousands of commits since .74, and they announced that they will be doing an official .75 release soon.
Maybe you should get to know what you're talking about before you type anon.
https://sourceforge.net/p/dosbox/code-0/commit_browser

>>5370716
>>5370726
Yes, and Snes9x(insert one of many custom build wart here) would fix what ails you for this but not that, and some of the other thing but really you want this build from this other guy for that...
Dosbox has had its day. It's rotten and needs trashed and replaced by a PC equivalent of bsnes.

>>5370449
Flashfloppy is the tits. Way more convenient the way it handles img files instead of the pants-on-head retarded segmented format the default firmware uses. Also solderless drop in support to replace the segmented LED display with a 0.91" OLED that can show you which floppy is selected.

>>5368549
>>5369281
not replying to his shit would help immensely.

>>5368285
>retro Windows 7 build

For 1995+ish games, what does incompatibility with modern hardware usually boil down to? GPU, graphics drivers and OS? Or also chipset, CPU or other things? If only the former, could you circumvent most of the issues by slapping a secondary older graphics card into your modern computer (early PCIe or PCI adapter) connected to a secondary monitor, and installing an older OS that boots using that old graphics card?

>>5371423
>1995+
You'll have to be more specific. Up until the early 2000s personal computers experienced an upheaval just about yearly. Imagine if they were coming out with 8GHz processors in time for Christmas with higher IPC and brand new microcode extensions that promised to more than double the power of today's chips. Now imagine they did this every year.
Maybe you never even accounted for the fact CPUs could go over 5GHz and your software breaks because of fucked timing.
Maybe the way you were using a processor feature was undocumented but worked on everything at the time, and now it doesn't.
Maybe a standard chip or an entire bus architecture you depended on to do something just went away.
Who knows?

>>5371423
it could be anything and everything. Shit drivers, shit console ports, shit game in general, directx shit, motherboard shit, video card shit, sound card shit, cpu too fast/slow shit shit shit shit

>>5371445
>>5371447
Game speed tied to CPU speed was still a thing by the mid 90s?

>>5371471
Much less than before but you still ran into stupid shit like the borland 200mhz bug.

>>5371471
Mid 90s still had plenty of games that asked you to select your processor type/speed and they would optimize for it, plus things like >>5371626

>building 386 setup
>opt to use microSD to IDE adapter because RIP all my old drives
>throw in shitty old 1GB card and run IDEINFO
>Reports as 1937/16/63 CHS
>can only use 504MB because lolInt13h but w/e
>install DOS, reboot, works
>power off, go do something else, come back, power on
>drive not recognized
>boot from floppy, run IDEINFO again
>adapter is now reporting CHS 122/254/63
You had one job.

>>5371471
daggerfall was definitely a thing.

>>5372195
>microSD to IDE adapter

there's also the red IDE <-> SATA bridge thingies. like 3 bucks on ebay. i never ran into any trouble with them. last batch had some weird blue waxy gunk on em but isopropyl took it right off.

>>5369545
They are, but feeding a 640x480 signal into a modern 1080+ monitor sucks ass because because they all use bilinear upscaling

>>5370065
>the GoG treatment

vogons.org is your friend.

>>5372195
>>5372360
IDE->CF adapters are the cheapest and possibly fastest option, since it's a straight-through connection. If you have a UDMA capable card though, make sure to get an adapter with proper 3.3V regulator.

>>5372360
Not a fan of those for pre-win9x setups since even the smallest available SATA drives are in the wrong solar system compared to what the old IDE interfaces and OSes are ready to cope with. They don't always deal elegantly with them even with midget geometry settings. I've actually got a SATA/IDE adapter and a Maxtor drive with a cylinder limit jumper down to 32GB, but the IO controller in the 386 still shits itself at the sight of it.
There's disk overlay software like ontrack but that has its own set of problems I'd rather not deal with.
There's also CF to IDE adapters which in theory should remove the issue of a schizophrenic adapter controller since CF cards are natively IDE.
In theory.
In practice most modern CF cards have garbage controllers internally that have similar issues with inconsistent geometry reporting and the removable device bit hard-wired.
Basically I need to experiment to find out which particular SD adapter designs and CF cards aren't assholes.

>>5372413
I can tell you from experience that Kingston Ultimate and Sandisk Ultra CF cards are unsuitable. They only speak LBA and trying to use CHS will corrupt them. The removable bit is also set in stone (trying to toggle it in the firmware doesn't work, it's hardcoded), which 98SE absolutely hates if you try to use one for a boot drive.

>>5372412
>>5372413
It's not entirely transparent. The card may or may not have its internal configuration registers set up correctly for your intended application, and you can't configure those through an IDE adapter.
Also those extra 10 pins on the CF card interface aren't just for power. Several of them have to be routed correctly by the host before the card will actually handle IDE properly. For example pin 36 and pin 9 must be tied to VCC and ground respectively or the card will operate in pccard mode. Pin 39 should have a ground switch or jumper option on it so you can select between master/slave, or else it'll probably be hardwired as master which limits your installation options. Some of the cheap chinese adapters can and do screw up the basics. Like shipping with a jumper across a header meant for an activity LED and shorting it.

phils got you covered:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDqDIY5NrIA

>>5372791
Fucking Phil always lurking here and vogons

>>5372791
>getting closer to "windows 7 retro" territory with every video
>multi core CPU for win98
Shark status = jumped

>>5372992
phils looking out for us plebs who don't give a shit about meme voodoo rigs and are fine with whatever the fuck but still want good compatibility

>>5372992
Windows 7 is almost a decade old anon

Why must AT cases be so hard to find for reasonable prices nowadays? I've got basically all the pieces to put together a nice 486 system except for the damn case.

Anyone have experience with those ATX-to-AT PSU adapters? Are they a good alternative?

>>5372992
>Celeron 420
>multi core CPU
wat

>>5372791
hey gois phil here back with another bideo

>>5373013
In my experience you can put a AT board in a ATX case no problem as long as your board has 7 slots or fewer. The screw holes all line up okay. With 8 slots the one on the top will be blocked by the case.

To answer your second question yeah they're fine. I got this one and it does the job.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ATX-EPS-24-PIN-to-AT-P8-P9-ADAPTERW-5V-ROCKER-SW-A-DUMMY-LOAD-MADE-IN-USA/254123112552

>>5368198
>I don't see why one would be any less justifiable than the other.
Well first of all there's the fact that YOU ALREADY OWN THE MACHINE. They're all IBM computers. There's some theories on how they could be different but PC experiences are inherently variable to begin with because it's all different hardware, that's one of the downsides of PC games. Backwards compat For another there's the cost and the logistics of it, the space it's going to take up. For another there's how much of a pain it is to set up old operating systems and install old games, yes even on old hardware, and how much time that takes. Enjoy waiting a few minutes to hear windows booting up. No it's not a bunch of fun to do all that shit just to play one game, that's why so few people bothered with computers back then compared to now. So yes it's incredibly retarded.

I like Phil but he gives out some dodgy-ass advice sometimes. Like in the socket 478 video when he says "just get an Intel 865 chipset board". It's best to treat his videos as a jumping off point for your own research, not a definitive guide.

>>5373118
windows boots in seconds and games install in seconds on an ssd

>>5373124
I have an 865 board. Works fine with windows 98.

>>5373118
>They're all IBM computers.
that's like saying all road vehicles are the same because they all use internal combustion engines.
it's a poor over-generalization

>For another there's how much of a pain it is to set up old operating systems and install old games, yes even on old hardware, and how much time that takes
setting it up is part of the fun. if you don't like it, yeah, better not bother with building a retro pc

>Enjoy waiting a few minutes to hear windows booting up.
Windows compatible machines boot into Windows in less than a minute. Unless your system is broken or bloated

>>5373107
Tell you what though: I'm surprised nobody on ebay is selling an I/O shield for "AT board in a ATX case". I mean buy a bunch of 50 cent blank shields, use a drill press to bore a 15mm hole in the lower right for the keyboard plug, resell for $5 a pop. That's money lying on the ground.

>>5373129
sure but is it a 865P or a 865 PE or a 865G or a 865 GV ? if you're a dumb innocent childe following phils advice you're not gonna know the difference and if you get a 865GV then you've fucked yourself out of being able to use AGP. also you won't know you need to check weather the board can use 1gb ram sticks or if it only allows 512mb per slot.

>>5373153
windows 98 can't even use more than 512mb of ram by default

>>5373127
>windows boots in seconds and games install in seconds on an ssd
>>5373131
>Windows compatible machines boot into Windows in less than a minute. Unless your system is broken or bloated
These statements are wrong in any general cases. There were people saying this before here as well and I thought oh I guess maybe I was mistaken. Turns out I was looking at MJR and others on youtube later and windows booting takes well over a minute sometimes.

As for games install in seconds? wtf don't be ridiculous, more like 10-20 minutes for a decent sized game.

>some fag on youtube has a shit computer and it boots longer than a minute, that means it's the universal case

you do not even deserve a (You) for such shitty posts

>>5373221
I just timed my Celeron 766 Win98 PC. From pressing the power button to loading the desktop and starting Doom took just under 42 seconds. This is with a conventional hard drive, not an SSD. Absolutely nothing special about it.

I don't know what your YouTube hero did to his machine, but I can assure you it's not typical.

>>5368321
That's great news, as I want to emulate even on the J-Win98SE machine. Do you happen to know which particular emulators would support utput to a standard CRT TV via S-video? I am still trying to find the last version of MAME32 that will run on the OS.

>>5368397
I don't think Audigy ZS2 go for much, it was what I had laying around and I think it supports Win98. One anon pointed me out to a modified Audigy 1 driver which may work with Audigy 2: https://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=1383&menustate=0

>>5368937
This is beautiful. I am jealous and want one.

>>5372360
>>5372412
>>5372491
This is where I am hung up with on my 98 build, the storage solution. It seems 98SE only will do a 128GB HDD. I have a SATA to IDE bridge and a 1TB Segate Firecuda for speed, but I think that could be wasteful. That Phil video >>5372791 is using a 120GB SSD, and I have one of those, but doesn't it need trim support or something for 98? I am hoping to get closer to finishing the build with either this year or next year's tax return.

>>5373285
>trim support
just allocate less than its full capacity, say 75%, and the built-in garbage collection on recent flash drives will take care of it. do not ever write to the unallocated space (eg, by doing a full format) or it won't work.

>>5368179
Depends on the OS. If you're doing Win98 or earlier. Then it makes sense. XP? Why not make things as fast as possible.

>>5373310
or who gives a shit since 120gb ssds are basically being given away at this point. They're cheaper to buy than usb sticks so use them like one.

>>5373285
90s era scsi drive with seek noises that wakes up the entire neighborhood. That is the way developers intended it

>>5373013
I know that feel. I have one AT case left and they'd have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
The at/atx adapters work great and have a couple of advantages like enabling you to use a modern not-worn-out PSU and not potentially electrocuting you at the power switch because it won't be wired straight to mains anymore.
Most AT boards will fit it most ATX cases, so that coupled with the ATX PSU w/adapter and you're set. The AT keyboard connector just sticks out the hole where the io shield normally goes.

>>5373005
Literally everything that runs on Vista+ also runs on 10.

>>5373089
Princely referring to the core 2 duo win98 vid he did recently.

>>5373161
Yeah it can. One gig.

>>5373394
The ps1 runs on the ps3 and it's still retro. Not saying w7 is retro but that argument is gay

>>5373118
Shit son my retro hardware boots so fast with modern mass storage that I can't even use F8 boot options.

>>5373410
Lmao how are you trying to boot into it? This is a brainlet test. Answer carefully.

>>5373409
It's not backward compat emulation or separate hardware, fgt. Old Vista era software runs completely natively on win10.

>>5373413
1. Push power button
2. Receive desktop

>>5373419
Into safe mode, brainlet. You already failed.

>>5373161
Strictly speaking it can use up to 2 gigs, but you are correct that it is only stable up to 512MB.
There are free patches that make it stable up to 1GB.
Then there is the Rlow patch that you have to buy from the developer, and that makes it stable at the full 2GB. From what I've read from accounts, the Rlow patch is really stable.

>>5373161
I've gotten up to 1.5G with compatible hardware and a lot of trickery but for 4G you need the jew patch.

>>5373428
and what do you need for 4 gigs of ram for in windows 98? That shit is overkill for xp.

>>5373423
Why the fuck would you boot into safe mode? 98's safe mode doesn't even let you do most of the things you'd want to use a failsafe mode for.

>>5368179
My brothers and I bought and customized an old HP desktop to play classic Windows and DOS games on our TV. I definately think it's worth a try.

>>5373431
Firefox

>>5373285
>Do you happen to know which particular emulators would support output to a standard CRT TV via S-video? I am still trying to find the last version of MAME32 that will run on the OS.
Literally all of them. When you do it on an Nvidia card it just acts as a second monitor, or a mirror of your primary. And it auto scales the output, so if you have something running at 1024x768, it will auto rescale the output to 640x480 for the TV.
If you're going over Svideo, thats sharp enough to flat out use your TV as a lame monitor even. For a while when my monitor died I did this and even played dos games this way (neat to do it with arcady dos games like Tyrian).
Also for Mame, you're probably best off with MAME .78 (AKA "MAME 2003"). There are newer copies of MAME that run on Win98, but this is going to best match what you can run on a P3/Athlon. Its new enough to include all CPS2 and Neogeo.

>>5373394
God I wish this was true.
10's support for Direct Draw is fucking abysmal.

>>5373446
10s support for anything before dx9 is shit. Wine is better.

>>5373153
He assumes that people interested in this hobby aren't complete idiots.

>buy some goteks and mod parts for myself and coworker
>overbuy because it's barely any more money to round up
>end up with a spare unit
>mod it up anyway, it's barely 5 minutes of work once you get going
>put in flash floppy firmware, oled display, rotary selector and a speaker for drive sounds
>put it on Craigslist for $100 as a decked out custom floppy emulator
>this hipster looking zoomer buys it that day
Apparently there's a market in my area for this sort of thing.

>>5373137
brb setting up the press

>>5373137
>external ps2 header
Is that for the mouse or keyboard? I've got a board that electrically supports ps/2 keyboards but it has no header and the ps/2 socket pins share the same footprint as the AT socket. I had to solder a bunch of wires into a harness with a JST socket on the end.

>>5373285
I've got a 120GB SSD in my 98SE machine and it's been fine. Once you've got your stuff installed on a machine meant for retro purposes how much more are you really going to write to the disk?
Plus in the unlikely event it ever became absolutely necessary to trim it there's nothing stopping you from doing that from a more modern OS, whether you can boot a live cd/usb or pop the whole drive into another machine for a moment.

The DOS mode drivers for the ZS2 on vogons work just fine by the way.

>>5374119

>>5374094
Mouse; it plugs into a little 5 pin header just to one side of the keyboard port. That was pretty common in the late baby-AT motherboard days, since you could only really count on an AT case to have the one hole for the keyboard port.

>I had to solder a bunch of wires into a harness with a JST socket on the end.

they uh, also make adapters for that you know. just sayin

>>5374130
Fucking hell I meant mice, not keyboards. The board has all the traces and through holes for a dual PS/2 socket but the AT connector occupies the same spot. Since the case is AT and has only the AT keyboard hole in that position I wired up the mouse pins to a connector, which hooks up to a slot plate with a PS/2 socket bolted to it.
All this so I can use an optical intellimouse in DOS and Win3.1.

>>5374119
>nothing stopping you from doing that from a more modern OS, whether you can boot a live cd/usb or pop the whole drive into another machine for a moment
Pic related is a godsend.

>>5368179
I work in a recycling center and we get loads of old computers from schools and stuff. One of them was a Pentium 4 machine with a non-working installation of Windows 2000 or something and a busted graphics card on it, so I formatted it, installed Windows 98 and replaced the GPU with a 3dfx Voodoo 3 so I could run Carmageddon 1 in Glide mode with native hardware and it runs a shitload better than it ever did on fucking DOSbox, which was the #1 reason I even wanted a retro PC with a real 3dfx card in the first place.

Pretty much the only thing wrong with the whole setup is the DVD-RW drive not matching the colour of the case and the Windows 98 using a third party service pack in the wrong language so the OS is this weird hybrid where it's sometimes in English and sometimes in Finnish.

>>5368179
Fuck off LGR

>>5374872
seething emu-pleb

So how do most of you deal with rechargeable RTC batteries and all-in-one clock modules?

>>5368240
>blah blah work
Its worth not getting cucked into paying beaucoup bux for software you'll fuck around with for an hour or two and forget about for another 20 years.

>>5376345
>all-in-one clock modules?

dremeling it open and soldering in a button cell holder is one option, or you could find em on ebay new or "new" for pretty cheap. If they've been plugged into a live motherboard before AT ALL then their battery's been ticking down ever since, and they may only have a couple years' service left in em. If you get one and it's DOA then go ahead and use that one to experiment with the dremel on.
One thing i've worked out from experience is that the DS12887 chip is totally usable as a drop-in replacement for DS12B887; the only thing you lose is the pin to reset the CMOS, so don't go forgetting your BIOS password or anything. Also if the name on the chip ends in a plus (+) then that's the same chip, the plus just means it's manufactured with lead free solder.

>>5376345
>not using a 286 with a plug in battery pack
Why not just emulate?

>>5376345
>>5376412
The worst part about working on these is that they're always wedged up against other chips or card slots so you can't get at them with a dremel or soldering iron. You have to desolder and remove the whole chip and they're real bastards with plated through holes and pads on both sides of the board. Always put in a socket if you're planning on using that board again.

>>5376345
Try to avoid hardware that uses them.

Win3 FMV games are strangely comfy on period hardware.

>>5377239
how do you pass recaptcha there m7

>>5372797
He doesn't post on Vogons anymore after somebody told him his comparison video ideas were shit.

>>5377280
what comparison videos?

>>5377280
lmao

>>5373005
are nearly decade old children aged and wise?

>>5377345
The ones here sure think they are

>>5377260
You can't.
You need a 4chins pass.

When installing an AT motherboard into an ATX case what do you do about the nylon standoffs? Several parts of the board have a hole for a non-conductive standoff to avoid shorting. A brass standoff + screw is no good because there's no screw pad and traces run through the area, and the original AT nylon spacers don't work either because there's no slots in the ATX motherboard tray to seat them.

>>5377292
He had this idea for an GeForce 2 GTS vs standard GeForce 3 comparison.

This is gold:
>Quite disappointed with the responses. Others have shared results, but I haven't seen such backlash, might be something to think about, maybe you have a personal issue that needs addressing.

>>5378998
Sounds about right. Phil is a self-important asshole and doesn't take criticism well at all based on the posts of his I've seen.

>>5368285
note s-video out of cards that have it is usually 480i/576i only, not ideal for emulation out to a CRT.

>>5378892
nylon standoffs with threads and nylon screws

>>5379005
I still enjoy the board a lot and have learned much from it, and Phil et al, they can be some cool dudes, but most on the board are made from glass, not just phil, if you understand me.
But really, thats most users on boards with very specific interests I've found, so its kinda the norm.

>>5379232
The problem with those is that the spots in the AT board that need them don't line up with any threaded holes on the ATX mainboard tray.

>>5378892
>When installing an AT motherboard into an ATX case what do you do about the nylon standoffs?
Put them in a ziplock bag and put them away. You only ever need them for AT/XT cases, they're useless in ATX.

>>5379408
The problem is an entire quarter of the board is unsupported otherwise, and it could very easily touch and short against the case considering it'll be set up horizontally.
After some searching it looks like I can make do with a 3mm nylon threaded standoff and just invert it with the threads poking through the mainboard, and then secure it with a nylon nut. The other end of the standoff will just press against the tray.

>>5378998
huh? whats wrong with that comparison?

>>5379423
Ah, so you've got a long AT board then. Full size ATX cases (the super tall ones) usually will have the additional stand offs for those. If you've got in in a mid size case you could always just use a rotary tool and drill out some screw holes for stand offs.
Can even take the plastic stand offs and just grind them down to size and place them in, sure they woulnd't be mounted to anything on the case but it would prevent issues with flexing when pushing on to the board.
Those are going to be your best options.

>>5379447
Nothing really. The feedback was that to show performance increase of a GeForce 3 both cards should have the same amount of RAM and there was some talk about the drivers used. And Phil's response was what was quoted before.

>>5368179
I have a question

Can a decently powered computer running XP be able to run any old 90's software and whatnot? I grew up without a PC in my youth and I'd like to experience all that stuff, and my current computer lacks the power to run a VM at decent speeds.

>>5379401
Some holes line up on most cases. All holes line up on some cases. Holes are easy to make unless daddy won't let you use his power tools. They don't have to be threaded. Even then you can do without holes in the case for most holes in the mainboard. Have you never actually tried this or do you just lack any problem solving skills?

>>5380120
WinXP has hard limitations on hardware and drivers. Modern GPU might not even get detected by XP. And then there's the problems with compatibility with Win95 games. If there's no fanpatch for the Win95 game, it probably won't work. E.g. Rance 4.5.


As for 90s DOS games. DosBox mostly works better. Dosboxed games packaged with Win3.11 also works easier than trying to build Win3.11 compatible rig with modern hardware.

>>5374879
LGR admits he uses emulators too. He built his own damn PSX classic clone.

>>5378892
>nylon spacers don't work either because there's no slots in the ATX motherboard tray to seat them.

there don't need to be? just screw down the 4 screw holes surrounding the pci / isa slots and then wherever you need nylon spacers just trim the knob off the end of the spacer so the flat part rests on top of the tray; see pic >>5373137

alternatively if you don't HAVE any spacers then there's these little red nylon thingies that look like bits of plastic Twizzler you can get at hardware stores. I don't know what they're called, they're in with the assorted nuts / bolts / screws / washers. Slice it to the desired length with a razor blade, stick it on the end of a short screw, use that.

>>5380778
They're called plugs or anchors. They come in different sizes and take a wide range of screws. They work fine and are easy to use. Except some of the tards ITT are gonna hurt themselves playing with anything sharp enough to cut them. Will prick or cut off their their fingers even if they use dikes instead of a razor blade.

>>5380837
Careful you don't cut yourself. Sounds like a lot of edge in your case.

>>5380918
Sounds like someone hit too close to home for you

>>5368179
I have a thinkpad netbook laptop from 12 years ago and it still works great as my old games machine

>>5372412
>tfw just 3D printed 3.5" drive bay trays for my cf adapters so they don't have to be ghetto rigged in their machines anymore

posting my "shit i found at thrift shops" build so far:

$5 Shuttle HOT-591P Super 7 motherboard + 550mhz k6-2
$2 256mb SDRAM
$4 16mb Voodoo3 1000 AGP
$7 Soundblaster Audigy
$10 550 watt EVGA psu
$3 8x IDE CD-ROM drive
$5 IDE -> SATA adapter
$5 160GB SATA HDD
free from spares = asst. cables, fdd, the case from my old Packard Bell 286 whose motherboard rusted away to nothingness like two decades ago. $41 total, probably will not run Crysis.

>>5381151
>that PS/2 connector on the 4-pin PCB
I kek'd.
I did the same god damned thing with a Pentium until I could get ahold of a plate mount PS/2 connector, drilled out a spot for it on a blank slot cover and wired it up. Top bracket: >>5369448

>>5372412
>CF
>fastest
lol. no. You've never even tried it have you?

>>5381134
>proving that 3D printing is no longer high tech, just a toy any dumb fuck can use for the stupidest of things
Way to go lad

I got a pentium 3 and voodoo 3 machine laying around my house for some years, recommend me some games

>>5381475
Tomb Raider 3. Desu Sex.

>>5381475
Carmageddon 1

>>5381475
Simcity 2000

>>5381306
>implying they ever weren't toys

>tfw you figure out an unbranded board
Got the CPU, cache and memory jumpered correctly and even found some pins for an external battery pack after cutting off the barrel battery. Feels pretty good.

>>5380208
So what if I found some junker XP tower somewhere that's second hand? Would they run on those or would I need a period relevant GPU?

>>5382691
As long as the GPU supports the old versions of DirectX and OpenGL the games use it should work fine.

>>5382883
>As long as the GPU supports
Supports and actually runs them properly is often not the same thing.

>>5383053
Cite examples or quit blowing smoke.

>>5383061
Well the GeForce 8xxx series don’t properly render in 16-bit color despite supporting it.

>>5383082
You mean the series famous for cooking itself to death and virtually none of them are functional in the wild anymore? Yeah that'll be relevant to nobody ever.

>>5383101
There were more cards in the series than the 8800 you know. Also the point stands - every card derived from the 8800, including the 9xxx and GTX2xx has the same issue.

>>5383107
>every card derived from the 8800, including the 9xxx and GTX2xx has the same issue
That they self-immolate?

My parts bin contains:
Socket 3 mainboard (3xVLB, 4xISA16, 1xISA8), takes 4x30pin SIMM and 2x72pin FPM SIMM, can use simultaneously.
2x Socket 5 (5xPCI, 3xISA16). One takes 4x72pin EDO SIMMS and the other takes 4x72pin EDO or 1x168pin DIMM but not both at once.
Am486DX100 and two Pentium 133MHz non-MMX
8x4MB 30pin SIMMS, 8x16MB 72pin SIMMs (4 FPM, 4 EDO) & 2x32MB DIMMs
2x1MB VLB VGA cards (Tseng + Trident), 1MB ISA16 Tseng VGA, 4MB ATI Rage Iic PCI
Goldstar VLB SuperIO controller, various ISA16 controllers
SB 2.0, SB16 Value
Assortment of floppies, floppy emulators, cf/sd card IDE adapters, CD drives
What should I build? Assume I have the parts and tools to refurb or mod anything.

>>5369516
lmao

>>5379079
Fortunately, the CRT TVs I have accept 480i and 480p, but that is disappointing. I suppose there are no emulators nor drivers that can force 240p out of the 6800 or 5950 I intend on using.

>>5373310
>>5374119
Thanks for the assurances. I get to save the 1TB Firecuda only being used for 128GB, and 120GB SSDs are currently around the $25USD mark seems affordable. I do want to know if I can use two 120GB SSDs on Win98, as the SATA to IDE adapters don't appear to have any master/slave jumpers. There's just so many DOS/95/98 games I am interested in.

>>5373437
Thanks so much! This is the answer I was looking for. I will be seeking out 0.78 for 98. I skipped 98 and went to 2000 and I found 0.100, 0.120, and the switchover from 32 to UI at 0.126. Next up, I'll have to find the last 98 compatible NEStopia, Gens/Kega, etc. just to play around with the S-video out.

>>5371401
I know, I thought I was up to date, but it still works for me and I like it, but I found out my "current" system is a more ideal XP build and so maybe a new retro 7 build for a daily driver.

>>5385682
>the SATA to IDE adapters don't appear to have any master/slave jumpers
Some do. The ones that don't are either cable select or hardwired to master so you'd have to do some research or run them on separate channels.

>>5385682
>>5385874
I use these:

https://www.system-talks.co.jp/product/sata-tr150vh.htm

Lots of very cool stuff on that site btw.

>>5385962
whats sugoi about it?

>>5385965
Everything.

I honestly can't fault it and I've used a LOT of these adaptors with varying success. This is the real deal, trust me. They also do a 3.5" caddy-type adaptor for effortlessly fitting 2.5" drives in standard HDD bays.

>>5385975
where do you buy it from?

>>5385976
I got mine on eBay or you could order direct from the site I linked.

wow this is the only thing I've seen that claims to support charging and usb devices at the same time

>>5385984
wait I guess it doesn't support otg and charging

>>5385962
>that case
>value you up
Holy shit that is sugoi. Not so much the price, though. I've already got $5 M/S jumpered adapters that work perfect.

>>5384656
>What should I build?
A mechanized dildo to shove directly up your ass.

I just acquired a socket 478 p4 3.0ghz and 1GB of ddr ram for free to compliment my asus overclockable mb and an ati 9800se. I'm going to try and unlock the video card. Overall it's a very snappy setup. I was thinking of a windows 2000 gaming system.

I also have the parts for a dual slot 1 system, 2 pentium 3 600's, a voodoo 3, awe64 card and a single stick of 512MB sdram. I'm just missing the motherboard which is hard to acquire. My "dream first pc". Was thinking of Windows NT which I guess supports dual cpu.

>>5386042
Well I got mine on eBay as a job lot at around 5 bucks a piece. Use them in my retro pc and PS2 (before my OG network adaptor died and I got a chink sata one).

Mine have a switch rather than jumpers and lack the cable select setting, not bothered about that though.

>>5385984
>>5385996
I have something that supports OTG and charging at the same time. Literally the only thing I've ever seen that does. Not all devices support this though.

>>5386390
and that would be?

>>5386452

>>5386081
>dual slot 1 system
>I'm just missing the motherboard

yeesh, best of luck on your expensive-ass quest anonymous

I found this slot 1 board at a thrift shop today; only identifying marks silkscreened onto it are "Elpina BA E-VO", which the internet seems to think is a socket 7 board manufactured by PCChips? Finding BIOS updates and a manual might not be real easy. A driver floppy tucked into its static bag indicates that it's a 440LX "Balboa" chipset, which was the first one to support AGP and SDRAM. No multiplier jumpers, but if the FSB is 66 mhz then i guess a pentium II 333 is the best she'll take.

>>5387148
That's a rebadged pcchips board. You might be able to find more info that way.

>>5369516
>tfw have some soj40 dram modules and dip28 eeproms on the way to max out the memory on a 2mb svga card and socket an xtide option rom into a multi-io card so it can boot >504mb drives

>>5388386
>summing total memory of the Voodoo2's
you did it wrong

nice Windows theme though

>>5388386
I love the Pentium 3 except for the fact that Quake 3 engine games hate it, which is a bit of a problem since so many games use it. For whatever reason, the P4 despite being mediocre as heck works fantastically with the engine.

>>5388386
post hitachi tubes

>>5388386
Go to bed Brian.

>>5381151
>$4 Voodoo3 1000

Man I'm jelly as fuck.


I've been trying to build a Win98 machine for the longest time but getting a Voodoo where I live is like $100 bucks and not guaranteed to work, even.

Then I thought about settling with a period incorrect kinda think and resort to nglide for Glide emulation but even then, good AGP cards, nvidia or ati, are stupidly rare to find and demand even more stupid prices.

>>5390701
A while (~3 years) ago there was this ebay seller who had a seemingly infinite stock of Compaq Voodoo3s for like $5 each. They were the rare 3500 type without TV tuner. The golden age of cheap 90's hardware is over I guess.

>>5390870
http://hw-museum.cz/vga/52/compaq-voodoo3-3500-tv-out
this model

>>5389692
>For whatever reason, the P4 despite being mediocre as heck

Nah, Willamette P4 is mediocre, Northwood is legit. Especially the HT ones. Gallatin is also good but costs a fuckin grip, Prescott is where it all started to go to shit, and Cedar Mill didn't fix enough to save it. Ideally you want this on an Intel 875P or VIA PT880 board but don't turn up your nose at a 865PE/865G or PT800 if there's one right there and it's cheap.

>notice internal CF adapter has a header for an activity LED
>mainboards/controllers always handle this already so not sure of purpose
>try hooking up a little piezo buzzer to the LED header
>computer now makes HD activity sounds
Neat.

>>5391519
To be fair though, the Northwood was only good because Intel had finally refined their (then) next gen CPU design while AMD was still using a design made to compete against the P3. Once AMD brought in their next-gen design the Athlon 64, it spanked everything. Prescott is considered shit primarily because it was released around the time of the 64 and revealed how mediocre P4’s architecture was.

>>5392324
On the one hand I miss AMD and Intel leapfrogging each other by huge margins, but on the other hand I don't miss my hardware going obsolete inside of a year and needing expensive overhauls.

>VLB controller card can do 32bit transfers to speed up i/o
>but only if you're not using the option rom you have socketed for large disk support
goddammit jaton

>>5393608
>mfw still using a first-gen i7 (albeit 920XM) in my "modern" PC. Win98se box has a Tualeron 1200.

You didn't need to upgrade every year anon. You were simply keeping up with the Joneses.

>>5395146
Wanting your games to run at more than seconds per frame or at all wasn't that frivolous, let alone anything business related that could benefit from literally doubling your horsepower every year or so. 60 FPS being considered a baseline for game performance is a relatively new phenomenon.

A lot of retro parts are stupidly expensive but you can get an old Pentium 4 system for cheap or for free if you know where to look. The tricky part is some of the later motherboards don't have Windows 98 chipset drivers or an AGP slot. I Intel stopped making Windows 98 chipset drivers after 865.

>>5395365
Oddly enough 98 can use PCIe cards as long as there are generic/compatible drivers. It just thinks it's an ordinary PCI card. Case in point: You can add your card ID strings to the GeForce 82 or 93 series drivers to make them install and they'll work with most PCIe 7000 and 8000 series cards. YMMV with memory limits if you don't have the jew patch though.

>>5395295
>60 FPS being considered a baseline for game performance is a relatively new phenomenon.
pic related

also q3's 125fps thing

>>5395502
>surprising enough to be used as an advertisement
>baseline
Thanks for proving my point I guess.
Also you'd be lucky to get 60fps out of the 3000 on anything that came out that year without resorting to toaster settings.

>>5395570
it was as surprising then as the "cinematic 30fps" bullshit of ps2/ps3 consoleniggers

>you'd be lucky to get 60fps out of the 3000 on anything that came out that year without resorting to toaster settings
people would do that anyway, or play $last_year's games in 120fps. 60 wasn't even a peak target to settle for, it was always the highest framerate the hardware could do, whether it was 20, 40 or 100fps.

point is, no one then would just defend anything below 60fps as "good enough", or that it's even worse than 30fps. not that exactly "60" is some kind of holy grail

>tfw you can't find cracks for some of your rarer dos games and apps anymore

>>5396806
Ran into an example of that a while ago. I have still have my registration info and key for Telix 3.51 but my disk has rotted and apparently the shareware distribution doesn't actually contain the program you put your info into in order to unlock the main executable.
And the only crack I've seen for it doesn't actually unlock language selection so... Merde.

>>5395619
NOLF doesn't even run at a smooth 60 FPS on a Pentium III 1.4-S Tualatin which was a fucking good CPU released in 2002 and NOLF is a 2000 game.

The game is literally bottlenecked on the CPU, not even the GPU.

Using the old hardware is surprisingly satisfying. Having an older machine with a good soundcard and a big CRT running favorite software is dandy... no wonder youtube is full of hamsters filming their 90ies love child.

Before I bought my first 486 I wrote this off as a dubious venue(vogoners seemed a bit strange) but later on was hooked by a LuckyStar LS486E board which I would drive up to 66mhz fsb.

If you have enough patience, dough or willing to rat around any venue where the hardware can be had cheaply(rare) then you got a serious hobby going.

I have a few 486s, a Pentium66(soon two) and the casual S/S7 boards + CRTs. Instead of playing I mostly configure and program though.

I got some old Pentium 3 machine a long time ago for free when someone was tossing it. It plays games fine but I don't get any sound for any of the early 90s/late 80s titles like SuperMunchers or Gizmos and Gadgets. It has a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz soundcard. I really don't know how to enable some sort of alternate sound out method

>>5397917
The cruz doesn't get along with DOS titles very well, but there should be a checkbox in the "Other" tab of the control panel that reads "enable legacy DOS game support"
Assuming the necessary support hardware hadn't been phased out yet when your mainboard was built, that's all that should be necessary.
If you can get your hands on an Aureal-based sound card, those are very resilient when it comes to DOS support since even if some of the support hardware is missing (like DDMA) they can work anyway.

>>5388386
Nice, My Win98 machine at the moment is:
Slot 1 P3 550mhz
Asus P3B-F motherboard
320mb sdram
Geforce ti4200 128mb
Voodoo2 8mb
2x Western Digital 40GB drives
Sound Blaster Live
CDrom
CDwriter
3.5" floppy drive

>>5398354
I'll have to check it out next time I actually boot the machine. Theres a computer store near my house with a big sign saying they buy old computers so they might have a sound card for sale. The owner specifically wants 90s machines so I have some high hopes.

>>5398531
What store is it? They're probably selling that shit on ebay.

>>5398531
>tfw there are no stores nearby selling retro hardware and the local goodwill never puts out pcbs

>>5399193
https://dallas . craigslist . org/ndf/sop/d/allen-buy-old-and-unwanted-computers/6782444340.html

I hope I dont get banned for this link. Its a small independent place probably operated by some actual boomer in retirement who used to work at a nearby tech company or something.

>>5400113
People post CL links all the time, though usually it's to ridicule cringey asks.

>>5400113
Warp9? Looks like it fits the bill.

Test. The bump time limit seems to be 14 days on /vr/ now.