/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===
[2-8] Sunder and Deus Vult II resume development
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/45774-dvii-second-edition-underway-its-time/?do=findComment&comment=1960915
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/46002-sunder/?do=findComment&comment=1961207

[2-8] XLEngine on Github
https://github.com/Mindwerks/XLEngine

[2-8] New DBP project: Mindblood Genesis
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104171-mindblood-genesis-dbp08-released-a-limit-removing-project-from-doomer-boards/

[2-5] Doomba - Roombas used for mapping
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103677-roomba-mod-will-map-your-house-and-then-make-it-into-a-doom-map/

[2-3] Anon map release: SCRAP
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1cbnp4m1c9w1auu/SCRAP.wad/file

[2-2] Neural-upscaled textures for Quake 2
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/quake-2-upscaled-pack

[1-26] Odamex 0.8.0 released, now using SDL2
https://odamex.net/boards/index.php/topic,3182.0.html?PHPSESSID=vtj14rfqgmd8se632212rcooq4

[1-22] Hexen Neural Upscale textures
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103770-hexen-neural-upscale-08012018/

[1-22] BloodGDX v0.798 released
https://m210.duke4.net/index.php

[1-22] SM191 for Quake, a mapset inspired by classic
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61678

[1-21] Trenchboom adds experiment support for Quake III
https://github.com/kduske/TrenchBroom/releases

[1-21] GZDoom 3.7.2 released:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63346

[1-14] 'Quake 1.5' gameplay mod beta released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-15/news/quake-15-sp-beta

[1-19] Somebody tries implementing RTX tech into Quake 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrq1T93uLag

[1-16] Anon sharing 'Quake Revitalization Project' files
https://pastebin.com/EynaZ460

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who am I really

in other news
the sequel to Descent series, made mostly by the same people, was selling really poorly, and the team behind it had to dissolve and look for work in other companies
what could've become a new series of 6DOF shooters, maintaining the spirit of the old, is dead

>>5357731
That's a shame.

fuck this is annoying

>This map has purposely been redesigned for the CO-OP lovers that love killing a
ton of monsters. It takes just over 1 hour to finish. (from the testing that I have done online with others)
...
>This map is impossible to finish on single player, with out cheats.
http://dnr.duke4.net/maps/Dukes_Nightmare.html

>>5357738

>>5357731
I have it on wishlist but I'm currently on a very shitty economic situation
should I buy it before it disappear from steam?

>>5357732
>"We're not flying, we're bhopping with STYLE!"

I love Marathon but god help me it looks like ass

>>5357749
It won't disappear anywhere, but most of the development team went on to different companies (they have to feed their families after all), with only a couple of people left behind to clean things up and release one more community level pack.
It could have become new series with sequels and such, but the development team is basically gone so there will be no sequels or major updates.

>>5357774
remove filters and HD textures

With a cast quantity of custom content, would you agree that Doom is basically a genre?

>>5357805
Yeah in the sense that so many megawads and mods could fall into its genre. Even full conversion wads cater closely to the template of Doom and that's why I think Doom is its own subgenre

>>5357805
no it's just an fps with lots of mods. CS has a trillion mods too but it's not called its own genre.

>>5357720
"oh hey, the map in that screenshot looks pretty sweet"
>google sunder.wad, install and run
>open first door, horde of creepy bone & pissed off martians standing right there

why do people do this

>>5357819
I mean, you need *something* to play with OP weapon mods

>>5357778
I already had HD textures turned off, probably
But even switching to the software renderer can't save this shit
The first game had really crude map geometry all around

>>5357732
>Wait a minute, I just lit a rocket, ROCKETS EXPLODE!

>>5357819
If slaughter maps toned down the number of monsters on lower difficulties significantly, I think I could maybe enjoy them, but like half the time it's a floodfill of monsters.

>>5357774
I absolutely adore Pathways into Darkness (original game and Demo2.0), while Marathon, by and large, just repulses me. Everything related to shooting at the very least. The only parts of the first game I found salvageable, are like half of the soundtrack, glorious G4 Sunbathing (and, to a MUCH lesser extent, some of other Kirkpatrick's leveldesigns) and maybe, just maybe the first alien level purely due to its novelty. Marathon 2 was okay to suffer through ONCE to see the story through, also, radically reworked sound-design (by the same guy who did music for the first part - no ingame music this time, sadly) was nice, I guess. I tried to cram Infinity into myself as well, but after like 5 levels, long before the universally dreaded Acme Station, decided that no means no.
That having been said, I was playing on Total Carnage the whole time.
The only other remotely popular shooter game I can think of, the creators of which utterly despised the player to an extent evidenced in Marathons, is the first Blood. And, maybe, just maybe, Daikatana, as per its first third of the game, the infamous Futuristic Japan.
I literally don't understand why anyone would ever consider contributing a single userlevel onto this gamedesigning abomination.

>>5357729
What mod?

>>5357843
THE TERMINAL WAS FORCIBLY REMOVED FROM MARATHON

>>5357732
>BUZZ LOOK A SHAMBLER!
>HUUH?

>>5357889
Project Brutality

>>5357886
I wish a modernized remake was something more than a bullshit idea only crazy people could ever entertain
The setting of the first game is the perfect context to go off the fucking rails with gravity mechanics
Imagine if all those puzzles were mapped onto a giant rotating wheel and you have to launch yourself from one side to the other
Imagine G4 Sunbathing on the OUTSIDE of the wheel, where you stick to the hull with magnetic boots and the aliens fly off into space when you hit them with grenades
Imagine really unlocking the potential of using your flamethrower as a jetpack
Of course some deranged voice acting for Durandal goes without saying

>I was playing on Total Carnage the whole time.
Holy shit dude you're way crazier than I am

>>5357805
Doomlikes?

>>5357775
They should just release the source code, then. Games should not be left to die. If there's nothing to release anymore, nothing new, then give the source code away. You still have to buy the game to get the assets, but the source's free for you to peruse and expand.

And if someone released Descent 3's source code... that'd be truly awesome.

Sigil when?

>>5357993
It should be released next week. At least if Romero keeps his promises.

Is there a decent guide on making your own iwad from scratch?

>>5357985
They don't own the source code, so they don't have the authority to decide whether it gets released.

>>5357805
no, it fits in an established genre quite nicely

IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN. IT'S SCREENSHOT SATURDAY FOOLS. WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON? GOT SOME SPRITES, GAMEPLAY SHIT, MAPS? COME ON NOW, IT'S TIME TO SHARE.

>>5357720
OP you linked it to the wrong previous thread

>>5358254
not much to show, just learning Blender to make weapon and item sprites ... so far all I got is a donut

>>5358254
Still working on bastard Knightmare monsters

The return of DVII is very good news. It will be interesting to see how Sunder will continue after all these years and wads that copied its style and improved it. That screenshot looks nice but meh, it just looks like your average Boom well detailed project. It's missing what made Sunder unique.

>>5358254
Also working on an animation and behavior for the Knightmare Hellfos, killing them with normal attacks will have a chance of them going into a rage mode, giving them a second wind and stronger attacks.

>>5358254
sewers

>>5357692
YES, the guy asked lucius to release the code so they and anyone can help it continue since his IRL job is takikng too much time.

it would be nice if /doom/ could help it too, OpenOutlaws is doing well, and seing a modded darkXL with maps and shit would be great

if Kaiser was still lurking here it would be great if he could help

>>5358281
IMO it'd be best if at least 2/3 of the regular bestiary remained the same in Knightmare, with only 1/3 or less being replaced with "bastard" variant.

I had this idea for a while: whenever there is a group of 10 or more monsters of the same category - 1)zombies 2)low-tier demons (imp, pinky, soul) 3)nobility (incl. archvile) 4)artillery(Caco, Mancubi, pelemental,arachnotron) 5)boss, there'd be one additional "officer monster" spawned in.
For a group of 5 monsters, there'd be a 1/3 chance of an officer, and any single mob on a map has a low chance of being an officer on their own, as well as spawning 3 "subordinates"
Unfortunately I lack sufficient coding knowledge to detect "groups" of monsters properly. Didn't dig into ZScript enough to figure if it is possible now.

>>5358338
>IMO it'd be best if at least 2/3 of the regular bestiary remained the same in Knightmare, with only 1/3 or less being replaced with "bastard" variant.
I'm going all out here, it's just some monsters are becoming bigger bastards than others, like the wyvern just gets a new coat of paint and slightly faster projectiles.
Whereas the Hellfos replacement is getting a new ability where if they're killed by normal means there's a chance instead of dying they gain a second wind and a rage mode with new attacks.

Everyone's getting a palette swap though.

>>5358289
> what the fuck was i thinking
- kegan, a year later, as he did with bomb dropping hellknights

>>5358354
>as he did with bomb dropping hellknights
this is awkward.
and I mean at least with these guys and the new Hellfos, if you gib them, they'll just die with no surprises.

>>5358367
The gib animation for these guys was fun to make, I took self damage from the charge shot, their explosion on death is cosmetic.

>>5358254
Improving the starting bow's animation from the Realm667 bow, and trying to make it gameplay-wise in a state I'm happy with. DamNums is a bit funky with it though due to headshot damage being applied after the normal damage.

>>5358390
Hey that looks pretty good, amazing what a few offsets can do for a weapon.

>>5358390
For comparison, Realm667's bow (with strange ripper arrows) that I used as the base.

>>5358281
Did it just die on impact with the wall?

>>5358396
Yes, between being shot and staffed, it lost enough HP where hitting the wall was enough to finish it.

>>5357805
I feel like doom is more of a medium than a genre.

>>5358390

I dig it. More bows in Doom mods would be cool.
More fantasy/medieval Doom mods in general would be cool.

I would like to play some cute mods. Any suggestions?

>>5358460
ralsei
adventures of square
rise of the wool ball
hdoom

Why are some people so obsessed with making OpenGL Doom look like its vanilla counterpart?
No, banding is not a desirable artifact.

>>5358258
Real >>5350521

How do you guys feel about secrets letting you outright skip parts of a level?

>>5358494
> your reward is less gameplay
why?

Just started playing powerslave. It's pretty cool.

>Platforming in a FPS that actually handles well and is kinda fun

How did they do it?

>>5358503
by this logic you should just punch all enemies to death, without berserk pack, instead of using more powerful weapons to kill them faster, cause hey, "more gameplay" is objectively better according to you. it's not like skips are a thing for a reason and have been since the 80s.

>>5358505
By not being a slippery piece of shit like all doom sourceports. It's like the floor suddenly becomes ice the moment you land on it.

some of you are alright, don't come to work tomorrow.

>>5358534
> by this logic
> equating skipping maps with purposefully gimping yourself
thats not even 'more gameplay'
thats less
less options, less complexity, less tactics, less depth

>>5357843
Just like every fps at the time.
Bit of a memory hole maybe, but the target frame rate for most of these "Doom" era games was 20-25fps. Things like 60 fps in a PC game was sci-fi shit to most people.

Does 3.7.2 fix metadoom? shit crashed too much on 3.7.1

Lmao

>>5358661

>>5357738
>3500
Dear lord

>>5358661
>>5358663
that nigga turn to licorice damn rip

>>5356892

>>5358813
In other news, i managed to cause infighting between a Spider Mastermind and two Archies.

>Call of Doom lite+nashgore

will this run better or is the mad jap competent at programming?

can you not?

>>5358834
it's also compatible with ch

>>5358839
>colorful hell
oh my

also
how come the gote fits so well on everything, cant wait for barney

has anyone ever tried colorfull hell and legendoom lite on nuts?

>>5358854
plus champions

so what is the more stable of the recent builds of GZDoom?

which one are you using?

>>5358460

well that's one way to fuck up the program

>>5358875
3.6.0 carries me through

>>5358839
>that weapon sprite

>>5357738
Fuck this shit. I bet this crashes vanilla DN3D.

>suddenly ZDL "failed to start process"
the files are still in the same place, I dont know what happened

>>5357720
On today's episode of "/doom/'s hot takes" we discuss:

UV -fast is a meme. Yes or No?

>>5358958
comparable to quakes nightmare difficulty
i like my monsters to actually move rather than be turrets

>>5358958
Does UV -fast only affect projectile speeds for demons + move speed of pinkies/spectres, or does it also make chaingunners/shotgunners/zombiemen acquire target faster + everyone moves faster?

Something I haven't bothered with yet: sound

I own a sh*tton of stock sound library CDs. Is it OK to degrade sounds for a retro FPS? Is it OK to mix PCM and FM to give the audio a more "processed" or synthetic feeling? The amount of sounds I need for 6-7 different map themes is staggering.

>>5358254
This (>>5358009) guy
I got an iwad (or iPK3 rather) loading up. Using some stuff from r667 as placeholders for weapons at the moment. I do wish GZDoombuilder would open .ipk3 files natively, so I don't have to copy and paste the main file and then rename it every time I want to work on a map

>>5358839
this is quite strange actually
the BD version of the mod runs better than the vanilla one, what kind of sorcery is this?
the explosions from the grenade launcher give me a bit of slowdown, this does not happen on the BD version, having the lite version and the normal version makes no difference

is our japanese friend playing a cruel prank on me?

>>5358538
"Remember, no demon"

>XLengine is on Github now
How feature complete is it? Could I play a game on it?

>>5357720
What are your favorite maps to test out weapon or enemy mods?

I heard from someone here that E4M1 is a good benchmark (to see how much easier or harder the game becomes), but the problem with that one is that there's no access to many of the weapons or enemies - although it can be a good one for starters.

>>5359143
MAP32 from Marswar used to be a favorite of mine when playing with gameplay mods, especially with the zoo section of the map.

Where can I get Hexen 2 and it's expac?

>>5359167
The OP.

>>5359175
I checked the pastebins and the mega link. Nothing in the pastebins, the only thing under idtech2 in the mega is Sin.

>>5357720
What is the OP pic from?

>>5359143
I usually go to the Industrial Zone. Lots of room to run around, an abundance of enemies to test on, but none of them so powerful that they'll kill me early while I'm experimenting with the mod.

>>5359175
The OP only has the first Heretic and Hexen, far as I can tell. The sequels are missing.

>>5359183
Sunder, it's in the damn filename anon, c'mon

>>5359178
>>5359189
Huh. I guess those should get updated.

Anyhow, have these I made for some friends. The DOOM one includes all the IWADs (including the ones you want), the QUAKE one includes all the expansion packs and soundtrack, ready to go.

- Everything you need for DOOM + some optional extras
https://mega.nz/#!uskRBI6Y!16c5ZEZQyI3UyvcWMOj5h_JxXrIhD3Blz2gX9VzsHMs

- Everything you need for QUAKE
https://mega.nz/#!68kFHK7b!eDLYdDW2xENOrwZ0obVthY6_hWNZBgEj7qvuch844Z4

>>5359196
>The DOOM one includes all the IWADs
the shovelware ones and commercial ones too?

>>5359201
It includes
- The Ultimate DOOM
- DOOM 2: Hell on Earth
- Final DOOM (TNT & Plutonia)
- Heretic
- Hexen: Beyond Heretic + its expansion
- Chex Quest
- Strife
- Hacx

>>5358538
Please 'get' Larry for me, he's such a cocky jerk and beats me in Jeopardy all the time.

>>5359205
no master levels?

>>5358875
I've stuck with 3.4.1 and haven't seen a need to update since.

>>5359221
>Took some dude a week to make this
>Places a red key card on top
>Player playing map literally just runs in the room grabs the key and runs straight out
>[Mapper sheds a single tear]

>>5359236
I have those, but they are not there in that ZIP, no. That's a PWAD, albeit commercially. I did include some fan-made PWADs though.

Maybe I should gather everything in one place and reupload it for y'all, but not in ZIP format so you can just pick and choose what you want.

>>5359167
Does the Steam release have any DRM? I'll consider buying it uploading it if it doesn't.

>>5357720
>Sunder
Wow, the difficulty in this mod is absolutely ridiculous

>>5359243
that'd be cool, include stuff like master levels and lost episodes of doom
>>5359249
it's steam so it's drm by default

>>5359249
Why would you if this anon already posted it >>5359196

Tried that Turok 2 mod called Ascension. And it's pretty good. Took a while to load but I like some of the changes.
Joshua has some voice clips and the blood on the melee weapons were a nice addition.

>>5359221
man
this is great

>>5359261
Because it isn't Hexen 2?

>>5358880
would you recommend any specific mapsets for nipponese cawadoody?

You know what I've never seen done in Quake? A sphere. Not one single fucking sphere. I know it's difficult to make due to the brush system, but cmon, it's 2019.

>>5359267
i've had a nice time with hellfire, but it can go with anything really. even slaughtermaps, which you can solo shit with one gun because all backpacks have extended mags & an extra slot for another gun class.

>>5359249
the steam release doesnt include the expansion
>>5359167
here's my hexen 2 copy, including the expansion. it has the hammer of thyrion port rather than the original exe's. but the port is very faithful, it just makes the game easily run on modern systems with widescreen and stuff.

https://mega.nz/#!Vtdk1ahT!_DZLoUuFXuU4oua6EEAimHq75Dxwva8JSTnUIci0jJo

>>5359196
>>5359265
nevermind, I had a brain aneurysm and didn't see the 2 in front of the Hexen, somehow.

>>5359205
what about no rest of the living?

>>5359304
Mind if I copy this to the Mega?

>>5359205
see >>5359243
those are also PWADs. Stand by, I'll just upload everything I have in one big mega folder I guess.

>>5359315
of course, np

i thought about how doomguy and bj having any relation and wondered: what if the uac tried to come up with a perfect soldier program inspired by bj blazkowicz?
like, they'd inject bj's genes on uac marines in some metal gear fashion

Have you guys played any fun wads lately?

I beat Ancient Aliens the other day and thought it was fun.

Custom .pk3 made with Wadsmoosh that combines all Doom episodes into one game:

https://mega.nz/#!g4l0RQJa!I7u47QuNO9JIV9sII0VRwaPg96-nQf0wp2jc87kIj2A

Just save to your gzdoom folder and it should automatically be recognised.

>>5359332
>inb4 doomguy isn't related to bj but was injected with too much of his dna

>>5358505
If you like the platforming in Powerslave try playing Turok 1. Powerslave does first person platforming right but Turok does in even better in my opinion.

>>5359315
Are there any requirements to submitting a contribution to the MEGA? Or is it just whatever you see and want to add?

>>5358503
Usually you can backtrack and explore the other areas. It's all down to whether you are more of a completionist or a speedrunner.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103938-early-and-unused-doom-64-level-designs/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-1961678

>>5359364
I usually just add whatever. If I see something out in the wild via a youtube video or in these threads or whatever I'll try to snag a copy of it. As long as it's retro I don't mind uploading.
I prefer to upload "clean" copies though, so if a source port is available you can just grab the required files. Like the Doom engine IWADs or the Quake engine PAKs, but if there isn't any worthwhile port I'll just upload a GoG release or the installed game in a .7z or .zip archive.

I dont get D1-E2M2

BTSX E3 teaser
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557-back-to-saturn-x-episode-3-wip/

>>5359304
Last time I tryed Tyrion it gave me weird black square outlines around explosions and necro attacks, as if blending was not working properly
Has that been fixed?

>>5359418
looks like btsx e2, but purple

>>5359418
damn, did all the vaporware mappers get together and decided to shock the community?

>>5359418
I guess I'm looking forwards to it, but I feel like anything that comes out now will be just average after so long

>>5359418
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!

I almost lost my hope, and was sure that this was abandoned. Aah, Sigil and BTSX E3... I'm going to cum.

>>5359436
Ah yes, the eternal curse of Half-Life 3

>>5357720
>>5359375
>>5359236
>>5359310
>>5359316
>>5359196
Okay, this includes everything I have for DOOM, Quake, Rainbow Six and Blood.

https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA

Grab anything you like from there for the MEGAs you maintain or for personal use

Why were Zombiemen styled to wield rifles, when in reality they're firing pistols?

If they actually wielded an assault rifle they'd be extremely deadly.

>>5359491
they are trained to fire semi-auto only

>>5359292
It plays pretty nice on Hell on Earth starter pack
the companions trivialize things a bit however, they should only let you have one

>>5358254
Work started on the Mini-Uzi. There's going to be properly depicted left and right sides. Looks a bit crooked here, but that'll probably be easy to fix.

>>5359249
Im pretty sure when its just a lazy dos port, it doesnt have DRM attached.

>>5359418
welp, there's my reason to play epi 1 & 2

>>5359512
That chaingunner looks cool as hell

>>5359418
>purple, lime green, and orange

>>5359529
Oh, he'll be cool alright. I have some ideas for him.

Also, the rifle commandos are now aggressive as fuck, shooting at you as much as they can while you're in their line of sight.
Though this makes him more dangerous than the other zombies if you're out in the open, he's still indiscriminate with fire, if he's close up he'll start magdumping (even if you get to cover and avoid most or all of the bullets), and will run through his magazines very fast, forcing him to stop and reload often.

OK, after some time and a big hype around, I decided to play both DTWID and DTWID2. To be precise, I played the first few levels of the former in all episodes, and also played D2 until map10.

Boy, you guys didn't inform me that I have to expect something this AWFUL.

What the hell are these? Parody wads or what? I didn't want something terribly original from these, the goal was nothing else but simulating what the great men did back then. That's actually fine, at least if the maps have some subtle novelties in them.

But these people who created said wads don't have a single fucking clue what makes a map Romero-ish or Petersen-ish or ID style in general. They clearly don't have the talent and imagination to recreate the original spirit in style.

Texturing is clueless, layouts are boring, there is no such feel of progression, in episode 2 and 3, there is no stress and thrill, what described many of Petersen's infamous maps. Romero simulations are even worse, these guys don't know how Romero created maps, what were his goals. There were no clever puzzles, or tricky movement restrictions.

In short, these wads are simply gibberish. People who can't speak a language, don't understand it other than a few well known words, but recognise it from listening. And then, they decide to speak the language. And the result is a comic or embarrassing gibberish. This is what these WADs were.

>>5359418
Oh man, I have been looking forward to this for years!

>>5359553
lol fuckoff

https://twitter.com/NY00123/status/1093204288560656390

>>5359561
Don't acknowledge or enable.

>>5359562
>a few older Build engine sources
oh my

>>5359491
Because they're edits of Doomguy, who had a generic rifle style for him, initially because of Alpha/Beta weapons, but then just a stand-in for whatever he happens to be holding.

There's sprites for zombiemen with pistols.

Stop doing that thing where you chant the name of Mordeth dramatically like it's going to be finished after 20 years. It's disrespectful. Chanting Mordeth in spoilers on these threads isn't some magic spell. It's not going to work!

Do anyone here know some System Shock-like maps for Doom?
I restarted playing the first one and it's great.

>>5359562
I hope SW gets the proper GDX treatment now.

>>5359565
Funny thing, that wasn't even "thesaurus shitter" (I am).

I've actually played some Xaser levels from the first of those packs. And from No End in Sight. Decided I liked his ImpulseTracker music way more than his level-designs.

>>5359579
What? Who's talking about Mordeth? I don't think a lot of people remember that.

mordeth 2
mordeth 2
mordeth 2

>>5359598
STOP IT

>>5358876
What's this one called?

Guys
Why are Cacodemons so cyoot

>>5359613
becuz u succ at spell

>>5359613
round

>>5359598
Why exactly would you want Mordeth 2? Mordeth sure was one of best wads by the time it came out, and it influenced lot what expect about map architecture. Howerer if Mordeth 2 came out, there would be nothing special in it nowadays.

anons I need to greatly expand my Doom folder
please post memery and reaction images

>>5359630

Is this the objectively superior autoexec.cfg for Quake, or am I missing something? Assuming Quakespasm.

+mlook
bind "w" "+forward"
bind "a" "+moveleft"
bind "s" "+back"
bind "d" "+moveright"

bgm_extmusic "1"

gl_texturemode "gl_nearest_mipmap_linear"
r_slimealpha "0.6"
r_telealpha "1"
r_waterquality "32"
r_sky_quality "32"
r_particles "2"
r_viewmodel_quake "1"
scr_conspeed "9999"
scr_conscale "2.5"
scr_conalpha "0.6"
scr_sbarscale "2.5"
scr_sbaralpha "0.6"
scr_menuscale "2.5"
scr_printspeed "40"
name "Ranger"
crosshair "1"
fov_adapt "1"
cl_alwaysrun "1"
cl_bob "0"

>>5359585
Keep in mind that in SS2 ending, Shodan got stuck inside of Rebecca's body, and now she's fused with her

>>5359630

>>5359630

>>5359659
scr_ofsz "-2"
cl_bob "0.006"
to make weapon viewmodels look like they did in DOS

>>5359662
SHODAN backed herself up inside Rebecca's body while she had surgery for an annelid arachnid bite shortly after Goggles stripped XERXES of all remaining control of the Von Braun(an action which the Many reacted by successfully downloading his source code into either a wafer or disc, then uploaded him directly into the systems of the Rickenbacker) and was on his way to the Command level. It was a plan B. Then, there's still Gamma grove, which never got found after being jettisoned 2-3 months before the Hacker's cryogenic coma was complete.

>>5359630

>>5359630

>>5359697
>>5359662
Speaking of which, what do you think would happen if Shodan was in the Doom universe? Where she manages to take control of the UAC base on Phobos

>>5359680
>scr_ofsz "-2"
Uhh...this looks kinda funky. Are you sure?

>>5359697
>CURSE YOU HACKER
>you gigantic flesh rod is disripting my logical senses
>Being Human is IS GOOD
Thus the world was saved because SHODAN was defeated by a Dick

>>5359717
I'd say SHODAN would fit more in Duke Nukem and Powerslave.
>>5359720
Are you using DOSBOX, the last official revision to PCem, or a sourceport like Fitzquake, Quakespasm, WinQuake, or VKQuake?

>>5359735
This is Quakespasm

>>5359720
Something is wrong on your end

>>5359734
>your gigantic flesh Rod
WHAT??

>>5359741
>>5359740
>>5359735
>>5359720
>>5359680
This is what scr_ofsz "0" (the default in Quakespasm) looks for me, on FOV 90, and FOV Adapt 1

>>5359748
retro

>>5359750
?

>>5359745
lets say that the hacker augmented it to 35+

>>5359748
and this is scr_ofz "-1"
I think it's easier to see with the super shotgun

>>5359753
The Hacker is not on-screen in SS2, especially not by the time Goggles gets to Command deck.

>>5359741
>>5359720
I actually measured this by comparing DOS SSG with quakespasm SSG
This is SSG in DOS

Did anyone here played the Source Port updated version of System Shock? How is it?

>>5359761
This is SSG in spasm with no modifications to anything

>>5359765
and this is SSG in Qspasm with scr_ofz "-2"

>>5359765
just use r_viewmodel_quake 1
the guy you're replying to probably already has it on

>>5359770
This is SSG in Qspasm with scr_ofz "-2" for me. Any idea what could be going wrong here? Resolution is 1920x1080, FOV 90, FOV Adapt 1

>>5359630

>>5359774
Oooh. Yeah, this was it.
Weird. Is that the quakespasm default? Because I never entered that command into my config.

>>5359783
>wojack
die

>>5359774
I didn't know this existed, googled it and no references anywhere
And it was at 0 by default.

>>5359787
>>5359781
>>5359774
this is SSG Qspasm r_viewmodel_quake 0 and scr_ofz "-2" for me

>>5359792
was at 1 default for me, weird

>>5359789

>>5359630

>>5359792
>>5359794
>>5359774

Nevermind, r_viewmodel_quake 0 is indeed the default, I suck dicks.

>>5358839
Is the anime girl from call of doom or d-rady's class mod?

>>5358839
Is Colorful Hell An IWAD or a regular WAD that needs to be mounted with a file of either DOOM 1 or DOOM2 in order to work?

>>5359143
Recently i've been running through DEX to test out gameplay mods, it has at least one of every monster and you can acquire every gun.

>>5359839
Colorful Hell is a PWAD. So, the latter.

>>5359839
The latter, but you can also use it with level packs/megawads and weapon mods.

>>5359835
From Call of Doom

I went from "this is okay, guns are samey" to "IM HAVING FUN"

frag ammo for the shotguns is just a treat

I wish Kinsie could update Juvenile Power Fantasy, it's really fun and it has so much potential for more.

>>5359867
>a billion fucking keybinds
why do japanese mods always do this

>>5359680
>play around with offset command
>accidentally quake 1.5

Huh. neat.

>>5357723
a bit late but Quake2 XP was updated 2 days ago
>https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp/downloads/quake2xp-1269-beta2
also turic released a beta version of the ground hyperblaster model

>>5359909
they got the idea from drpg :~)

>>5357720
What do I need to play some Blood?

sup

>>5359909
what are some other jap mods? I only know jpcp

>>5359949
h-hewwo...?

>>5359761
Am I the only one who experiences time skipping when the frame rate gets too high in Dosbox? It forces me to play Quake at slow speeds.

>>5359954
Water Spirit

>>5359949
That's some nightmare fuel right there

I just found out that Skulldash has been ported to GZdoom with +20 new maps. It's been out for more than a year.

>>5359949
what was the name of that map that had a skybox with a fucking skull the size of a planet in it

this is just as terrifying

How do I enable -fast in pr/glboom? Making a shortcut with the -fast command didnt work

>>5357723
BTSX E3 screenshots
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/104557-back-to-saturn-x-episode-3-wip/

>>5359867
Which mod? Is it that new one that combines Cod guns with Doom?

>>5359424
I kinda gathered that E3 is meant to be like a mix of E1 and E2's texture themes, but presented in a more abstract and otherworldly fashion.

>>5359867
I prefer the original Call of Doom. The sprites look like dogshit but the weapon balance is much better

>>5359968
Pretty sure you're thinking of TNT Revilution

Whoops

>>5360064
OH YEAAHHHH

>>5359954
d-radys

>>5359609
a furry tale

>>5360056
By the way, is this worth playing, if I thought that Evilution went into complete shovelware after the midpoint?

>>5360071
TNT Revilution honestly reminded me more of Memento Mori 2 and Requiem than TNT.

>>5360071
Yes, it's worth your time.

>>5360075
>>5360090
Tried it and played 2 first maps. It feels great. Thanks for responding.

>>5357738
Suck it down.

>>5357819
>>5357881
I'm hoping the updated Sunder actually implements difficulties this time around.

"Havoc! Havoc! Smyt fast, give gode knocks!"

>>5359919
>>5359774
>>5359680
>>5359659

Huh. I actually ended up liking this better.

r_viewmodel_quake 1
scr_ofsy -5
gamma 1.2
contrast 1.5
scr_conscale 4
scr_sbarscale 2
scr_menuscale 4
scr_sbaralpha 0.99
scr_crosshairscale 2

Sharing 'cause I think it ended up looking neat

>>5360197
and also

cl_bob 0.004
cl_rollangle 0

>>5359240
it gets...uh, worse?
>genius makes THIS somehow
>player runs upstairs without a second look
>blackfacebugsbunny.png

>>5359658
ANON...
nnNEVER AGAIN.
PLEASE.
(t'was too much a hearty laugh for I)

>>5359949

>>5360217

What FoV did God intend Quake to be played at on widescreens?

>>5360275
I use 110 hFOV at 16:9 (~94 hFOV at 4:3) in pretty much any FPS I play, and I like it

>>5360275
>>5360279
I play at 140

>>5360071
Yes. That's TNT Revilution you're mentioning, with the large skull.
The original TNT Evilution is pretty damn good up until the last third, where quality starts to waver, not consistently horrible, but the worst maps are at this point.

I think it's worth playing for the good parts, and then enduring the weaker parts at the end.

>>5360075
Yes, it does. Revilution supposedly tries to capture the feeling of Evilution, but really, it barely does.
It's really good though, though it fails to feel like the original TNT, it manages to have mostly its own atmosphere and feel, and is a great megawad in its own right.

>>5357720
> sunder continues
cool

> DVII continues
ASJGDJFGDFASGDFG
WHAT
IN
THE
FUCK

I NEED

I'm late to the party but I finished TNT:R map 12, and it was fucking incredible. I really like how some of these maps aren't just flooded with monsters from the start.

>>5357720
So is 2019 the year of the comebacks?

>>5360396
Dunno if you mean in terms of mods or old fps games getting rebooted, but that makes me think of how we've been getting a bunch of reboots ever since the early 2010's, starting with Serious Sam, Douk, ROTT and eventually Wolf, Doom and even Quake among others. Seems to have been a steady stream of reboots and such ever since about 2010/11. Makes me look forward to (hopefully this year) NuNuDoom and rage 2

What is the biggest flaw of Doom's game design except for the pistol being completely useless after you get a chaingun?

>>5360421

>>5360421
You can activate switch linedefs even if you can't see them

>>5360421
Fresh green armor giving you worse defense than damaged blue armor?

>>5360421
You never get a tiny pet Cacodemon that you can sick on various other demons and also gives you snuggles

>>5357819
Slaughter wads are made for people who are basically autistic Doom Jesus. If you're one of us retarded peasants, just play with RO or something and enjoy the pretty maps.

>>5360450
there's literally one of these in brutal friends

>>5360421
The fuckhueg random factor for all the damage numbers in the game.

>>5360447
> armors increase your effective health pool by their save amount
> to get full use of one green armor, you'd have to lose 300 health

>>5360458
Doom is perfect

Why cant Doom jump?

>>5360207
where can i get this map to see how it is done?

>>5360469
because games don't jump

>>5360465
You have to summon it with the console, it's a secret partner. The mod comes with a text listing the command to call her. You can also summon daisy if you want.

>>5360421
Not enough Tom Hall

>>5360469

I've heard that white men can't jump, in a documentary.

>>5359970
Seriously is there no way to get fast enemies in prboom? Ive looked at the documentation and theres no mention of it

>>5360421
Lets bind the shotgun and SSG to the same key but not the pistol/chain gun and plasma gun/BFG

>>5360492
-fast definitely works, it's been there since vanilla, but I'm too lazy to check if windows shortcuts require dumb stuff to make command line arguments work
use zdl and put the argument in there, that'll definitely work
why aren't you using zdl anyway

>>5360516
Because I'm not running any wads besides vanilla, so it never occurred to me but I tried it in Rocket Launcher and it works

>>5360447
Low key probably this. the difference is never really explained, nor is it shown on the HUD. For the longest time I would just pick up whatever made my armor value % higher.

Been playing some guncaster, it's pretty cool.
https://files.catbox.moe/ei41p8.webm

>>5360554

>>5360554
looks rad, would you recommend trying it?

>>5360389
Yeah, it's a really fucking good megawad.

>>5360459
So has anyone ever made a 'Consistent Doom' mod where damage can be set to Doom's min, max, or mean values?

>>5360447
Probably just this. It's not telegraphed to the player at all.

>>5360515
I think that's just because it was added in Doom 2 and they didn't want to completely redo the weapon slots, so they just tucked it into the shotgun slot out of convenience.

>>5360447
Green : 1/3 of damage goes to armor 2/3 to health
Blue : 1/2 of damage goes to armor, 1/2 to health
If you have above 75% health and a bit of blue armor it makes sense to wait picking up green one until later.
Armor bonuses give you green if you didnt have any, and blue if you had blue on you.
Megasphere gives you blue armor.

>>5360469
ArmA doesn't jump either.
If a hardcore military simulator doesn't have a jump (only a "vault"), I'm ok with our hardcore doom marine not jumping.

Real men just run and gun

>>5358254

>>5360207
Amerifat-friedly map, I like it,

>>5360421
The game is literally flawless, it's the human factor that ruins it...and zoomers asking stupid shit about it on the internet.

>>5360660
But anon, you're a zoomer.

>>5360684
No, I'm Gen-X

>>5360023
yes

>>5360030
what build are you referring to? seems like its not up anymore on the modb page

>>5357720
What is the style of music in Heretic and Hexen called? Synth-Orchestra? Dungeon-Synth? Goth n Drums?

Often drum/percussion-heavy, lots of strings, eerie pads and choir/voices. That sort of stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fispefQPGw

>>5360554
>>5360554
>>5360554

>>5360708
90s Fantasy soundtrack.

>>5358254
Doing some updates to the Soundless Mound demo. I wanted to keep it nice and polished for its first anniversary.

On top of that I'm adding in a couple things I couldn't include in time for the contest. Little references and whatnot.

Might re-sprite the weapons to not look like arse, too. I was never really happy with what I picked for them.

>>5360713
>>5360708
Forgot links.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP9NZPAX_dA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXF9I6OykBc

>>5359454
More like DNForever

>>5360421
Lost Souls have too much health considering that they can be infinitely spawned from Pain Elementals. Also, it would be more satisfying to one shot them in their tracks with a normal shotgun.

>>5360515
>>5360770
Funny how these two problems are only because of Doom 2

>>5360421
Blursphere as a whole and invulsphere's white screen

>>5360660
>The game is literally flawless
>post you're replying to already pointed out a flaw

>>5360421
Hitscan enemies. Even id software knew they were bad and only did them out of development limitations at the time, which is why Quake is so great and fair.

>>5360421
Brutal Doom existing.

>>5360830
Not this stupid shit again.....

>>5360474
No clue, sorry. I just saw it one day posted somewhere.

>>5360830
But Quake has at least one hitscan enemy, Quake II has more, as does Doom 3.
NOTHING CHANGED. Not until Doom '16, anyway.

>>5360207
It's like I can hear the hundreds of THUNK sounds each tic

>>5360830
>shotgun soldiers
>the fucking Shambler
Not to mention Vores and the bouncing suicide dudes being more bullshit than any enemy in Doom in general.

>>5360891
>trying this hard to fit in
brutal doom's main issue is how poorly made it is, along with feature creep
the initial goal of making a faster, more violent doom is not a bad one

>>5360925
Even 2016 has a hitscan enemy. The shield dude.

>>5360952
Didn't he have a short range shotgun blast though? Really it was his shield swat attack that was the real killer.

>>5360421
The default palette doesn't truly take advantage of 256 colors, thanks to duplicates, and near identical gradients (Blue range is especially guilty of these). Some mapsets with custom palettes improve upon this.

>>5360708
Heretic's soundtrack was composed for a Sound Blaster card, not a Roland Sound Canvas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTTiQiEKjwU

>>5361035
Sounds like shit t b h

>>5361035
>AUTISM
>U
>T
>I
>S
>M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w9W8Jm8LUk

I AM TUROK

Discussion about Sigil's upcoming release hits critically low in this thread.

>>5361093
discussion of sigil amounts to:
>will it be shit or good
>is romero a hack or a god
>when's sigil
and that's about it

>>5361035
>SoundBlaster
>AdLib
choose one.
ADlib was strictly inferior to SB, which is why AdLib perished quickly after SB 16 release.
SB had its own midi synth iirc.

>>5361054
The reason why I'm using a SC-88 Pro. The id tech 1 and BUILD games sound outstanding on it.

>>5361093
>>5361097
eviternity is better

>>5361108
link to the soundfont?

>>5361109
The Wad didn't come out yet.

>>5361109
>>5361113
RC-1 did back in december

>>>/wsg/2675962

Working on extra behavior for the Hellfos.
also I keep mixing up what you copypaste to link posts, let's see if I fucked it up again

>>5361125
Oh good, I copied the correct thing. I can go to bed worry free.

>>5361035
lmao that sounds horrible, it's like if Doom was on the Sega Genesis.

>>5361125
>Wizard and Warriors gem sound
whats this not using Bsfx like every other shitter

>>5361093
As much as I love Romero, SIGIL is very likely only going to just be decent-good at best. The community have set the bar pretty damn high over the decades, that I personally find the news with Sunder, DVII, and BTSXE3 more exciting.

>>5361112
Hardware. I don't think there is a SC-88 soundfont that sounds accurate.

>>5360207
This makes me wonder if there's a Doom map with a bit where all you can do is stand around in awkward silence while mall/elevator muzak plays

>>5361131
I love the NES, and Kustam is a love letter to the NES and a lot of games by Rare. So I took the time to rip sounds from the games.
I'd sooner wipe my ass with sandpaper before using BFXR or whatever it is.

>>5361125
You are the GMOTA creator? I absolutely LOVE your work.

>>5361115
how can you compare it to sigil was the question

>>5361143
I appreciate that, anon. I'm making sure this next update is really good, you guys will have Kustam, Knightmare mode, some gameplay tweaks, and the ability to pick up and throw barrels.
I'm also buffing a few monsters for the non-knightmare modes too.
Then after this and another Combined_Arms update, I'll be coming back to GMOTA to add the last character.

>>5361148
>throwable barrels
it better work unlike PB that crashes if you try

Is it possible in GZDoom to make an actor that allows one kind of the projectiles and hitscans to pass through, but not the other?

I'm trying to make a cloud of shootable explosive gas that can be detonated if shot by player, but not by enemies

>>5359630

>>5360830

>>5360946
Wad itself isn't so bad (if you like gameplay mods (I don't.)). The biggest problem is the zoomers it brings to Doom community. "Is this wad Brutal Doom compatible?" they ask.

Is there way to play Skulltag single player campaigns/episodes on Zandronum? (The Q3 like singleplay campaing with bots, and the Invasion one.) I know there is the Skulltag content .pk3-file, and you can play maps separately, but I'd want to play them as campaign.

>>5361109
>>5361134
>Eviternity
>Sunder
>BTSXE3
Autism alert. When shitty community hackwork gets hyped over professional quality. Now I've seen everything.

>>5361273
Romero hasn't mapped in years until 2016

>>5361273
The irony is that you're very autistic.

>>5361271
loading up the skulltag content .pk3 adds the skulltag maps as "campaign". Pick single player and you'll get 3 options, hell on earth, invasion and DM. maps end the moment the wavelimit/fraglimit is hit.

also try alpha invasion and delta invasion, those used to be played all the fucking time back in the skulltag days.

>>5361273
What makes BTSX series hackwork?

>>5361213
>projectiles
With ZScript hackery, yes. CanCollideWith or something can let you determine this
>hitscans
Not sure, probably not. Maybe with some kind of extra logic attached to a hitscan it might be possible

>>5361282
I have loaded up the skulltag_content2.1a.pk3 to Zandronum 3.0 but I get no episodes to choose from. The maps can be chosen from offline skirmish tho.

>>5361271
>>5361282
>>5361287
Oh, fuck me. I was using the wrong skulltag content file. It's skulltag_content-3.0-beta01.pk3, that has the episodes.

>>5361273
Eviternity is better than all of them.

Sunder is as mindless slaughtershit as it gets, even if detailing was good for the time, it's mostly copy-paste and repeating patterns too.
BTSX are repetitive as well. Stretching what should be a 7 map episode at best to 32 maps definitely was not a good idea - it runs out of steam way before it is over. this is true for all episodes. At least it's okay in short bursts.

>>5361275
>>5361279
>>5361283
>>5361296
flies on shit

>>5361306
good post, you sure showed them

>>5361296
While Eviternity has nice new textures, I found it quite boring gameplay wise. Map design and enemy placement was very weak. It felt like mediocre 90s wad gameplay wise.

But I found the 2 first BTSX wads fun and modern gameplay wise. Sure they use the same texture set for all maps, but at least they are pretty textures.

Sunder is overrated crap, I agree.

>>5361273
>professional quality
Oh please. Romero's recent maps are good, but they're not THAT good by todays standards. If they didnt have his name attatched to them, I doubt they'd have been half as popular.

>>5361306
You didn't answer the question, what makes BTSX -series hackwork.

>>5361269
I wouldn't say poorly made. Some parts are really well done but the sound design is terrible, making the guns as loud as possible makes it clunky and obnoxious and you can't even hear the monsters coming after you.
The gore is clearly the best part but the way it gets treated as the only thing to feature anything like it is asinine.
Quake did it back in 1996,Soldier of Fortune and Return to Castle Wolfenstein did it back in the 2000.
Hell, Turok 2 did rhe same thing and that was made for the N64(later for PC).
It's not bad but too overhyped

>>5361306

>>5361312
BTSX honestly has a large enough texture library that i consider the whole "BTSX is repetitive/samey" thing massively exaggerated.

>>5361323
The level design itself is repetitive, as well as the general color scheme of the level. Even if textures are different, it feels samey and tiresome.

>>5361323
On top of this, BTSX has a large roster of mappers, varying in gameplay and layout design styles. Besides the fact that E1 was purely techbase themed. Nothing about both episodes felt repetitive at all to me.

>>5361334
Strongly disagree.

>>5361334
I don't agree.

yea' see, tommy here gave archie there more holes than the german spy network see? ol' archie there is leaking more than whiskey during prohibition see?

>>5361273
>>5361296
>>5361334
you should switch lures, your b8 isn't working

God fucking damn, Diabolus Ex is a fantastic map. Can't believe I waited so long to try it. Go play it vanilla my dudes.

>>5357720
The Slipgates in Quake 1 and its expansion packs don't just send you to other parts of the world and other dimensions, but sometimes also to other planets and alternate universes.

>>5361313
Romero's 2 maps and NRFTL are the only post-2010 wads that worth playing desu.

>>5361390
Trying too hard now,

>>5361405
And yet, you still gave the shitter a reply. Actual. Fucking. Subhuman.

>>5360459
This. A bit of randomization is fine, but stuff like revenant rockets can do between 20 and 80 damage. That's just way too much variance. And pinky bites are like 15-50.

>>5361407
Seething.

>>5357723
Speaking of eviternity it just got updated
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103425-final-release-eviternity/

my question is how do you un-randomize bullet spread?
with shotguns you can make them fire in a pattern
but what about rapid fire weapons?
giving them perfect accuracy seems like an insane buff

>>5361356
What mod is creating that wonderful gore?

>>5357843
get rid of that shit hud

>>5361423
Its a brutal-doom based mod called "Call of Doom that obvioucly introduces in weapos and mechanics from CoD games.

>>5361356
How do you get the ww2 weapons?

How can I tell if I'm executing strafe-jumps / bunnyhops in Quake 1 correctly?

Are there any maps that need you to do it to progress, at least for a secret or something? Or any console commands that can tell you your speed? In Quakespasm I mean, I know there's one for EzQuake.

>>5361439
trust in rngesus

Is the Zandronum IRC down?

>>5361437
>>5361356
I recognize that Thompson sprite
because it was I who fucking ripped it, as well as some other guns in there
I am quite sure of this since the lighting conditions it is ripped in are never quite the same in different rips (since everyone rips in different conditions/locations)
they didnt even bother to edit hands so all the guns have different hands on them
hell, they didn't even bother to credit since that was all I asked for the hours it took me to rip the stuff

What's the best way to play Quake for what is essentially the first time? I have the steam version if it matters. Any GZDOOM equivalent to make it look and run well?

>>5361483
iirc there's were too many to credit & his english is not good. (he's a jap, go figure.) you can scold him on his yt here: https://www.youtube.com/user/puniopuni

>>5361513
QuakeSpasm.

>>5361513
Have this my dude
>>5359473
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA!vpNSGAZL

Grab the Quake folder, unpack Quakespasm into it, start playing with sane defaults thanks to the autoexec.cfg , and have fun.

>>5361535
+also, if for whatever reason you want your weapons to be offset to the side, then also add

scr_ofsy -4

Also this ends up looking and feeling better for me, but adjust for your taste

gamma 1.2
contrast 1.5
fov 100
sensitivity 2

>>5360197

>>5361390
>i can't play it, if it isn't commercial
I bet you hate Hell Revealed and Alien Vendetta too

>>5360631
nuDoom on suicide watch

>>5361306
And that shit is you?

>>5361586
Doom 3/Quake 3*

>>5360421
1.damage randomization
2.Doom 2

>>5361586
It's a different game from both of those.

>>5361691
Voodoo doll yourself.

>>5361667
Quake 3 is a fun game, and Doom 3 isn't *as* bad as people say it is.

>>5360197
>>5359919
>>5359794
>>5359781
>>5359774
>>5359770
>>5359765
>>5359761
>>5359756
>>5359748
>>5359741
>>5359720
>>5359659
>r_viewmodel_quake
>scr_ofsy

Where are you guys finding these in Quakespasm? I have no idea where to look. If it is supposed to be in the .cfg folder? If so I can't find anything there.

HALP!

>>5361707
nuDoom is the toon from Bethesda Softwork's DOOM (2016)

>>5361757
add them to your autoexec.cfg file (which should be in the data1 folder)

>>5361764
What the fuck are you even saying.

>>5361783
My Id1 folder? And nope. Nothing there. Might be a facepalm question but are these commands recent to new versions of Quakespasm?