/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5359984
Pre-2010

>>5359984
DS, Wii, PSP, PS3, 360 (aka "Early Zoomer")

>>5359986
2008 was the last year with soul

>>5359984
Soul died when the Xbox 360 arrived

>>5359984
between 2005 and 2010 the internet got invaded by normies, and gaming companies were noticing they could make millions. Soul, gone.

4th gen.

>>5360005
This is correct

>>5359984
4th gen

>>5359994
As if the PS2 and GameCube weren't hollow shells of their predecessors

>>5359984
2007 was when it all declines
2007 was when smartphones became mainstream and we have the cancer of all that mobile has brought
2007 was when facebook opened up to non-edu accounts and twitter spiked to popularity
2007 was when the 7th generation really became firmly established after a few months of release and we have the proliferation of practices such as microtransactions
2007 was when "nerd culture" became a new attraction for normalfags when the Big Bang Theory got released

>>5360034
>>5360005
*sips

>>5360043
*floss

Bump

Video games began to lead a slow death the moment Sega stepped down from making consoles.

>>5360034
PS2 and Gamecube still had tons of quality games with style. Xbox 360 is when DLC came and fucked games up forever.

Imo gaming lost its soul when most games getting released were violent. Not in a Christian soccer mom kind of way, but games are supposed to be an escape from this world and not just an exaggerated version with all the bad shit in it but at least you're the one doing it, which seems to be every Fugging game now.

Not saying there can't be violent games with adult topics, but we're never going back to the days of imaginative worlds, colourful graphics and interesting gameplay being the mainstream.

It's just "realistic" games where you walk down corridors and kill shit with fancy animations and gore in lieu of gameplay now.

So basically it started with doom clones, but it got insufferable starting with CoD 4 and it's "realism" and xXx360 degree no scope epic kill MLGxXx.

>>5359984
Genuine soul died with the 2D but early 5th gen had a little bit of soul remaining.

>>5360182
Debatable. I don't recall any memorable GameCube games, and out of all the decent ps2 games there's probably miriads of trash bargain bin games. The same could be said for ps1 sure but I think there was more of an overall care for style, I think.

Plenty of soul in games today, you just have to look for the indie devs rather than the AAA ones.

>>5359984
When they still had lives
Get it? Get it?
I just posted for this joke you guys can (you) me

>>5360274
>indie
>soul
Indie games are the embodiedment of postmodernism which is the thing that killed soul so you couldn’t be more wrong.

>>5359984
6th gen had soul in the beginning but lost it part way through.

>>5360272
>I don't recall any memorable Gamecube games
Luigi's Mansion
Pikmin
Mario Sunshine
Melee
Metroid Prime
It was undoubtedly worse overall than the N64 but it did have some good games.

>>5360285
aww shit look out hes on his jordan peterson shit

>>5360292
>worse overall than the N64

absolutely false. the gamecube library monkey stomps the n64 WWE racing library

>>5360285
>Indie games are the embodiedment of postmodernism which is the thing that killed soul
I bet when you typed that up you thought you were really clever.

After the Great Recession, everything went to shit. Vidya up until 2008, many companies closed doors and the ones who survived were those who survived on the most anti-consumer of practices to penny pinch.

What we have now was an aftermath of a slaughter of various companies, with only the decent ones being eaten year by year.

>>5360285
Yeah, I too believe that the only video games with soul are trillion dollar budget games that last 3 hours and take 5 years to make. Dumbass.

>>5360312
>>5360331
you realize the concept existed and lots of peopel disliked it before he got famous right

>>5360345
While it has been extremely sad to watch EA slowly buy up and close down every worthwhile western studio, literally lmao if you buy any games that aren't made in Japan.

>>5360384
The concept of fucking what? You're just spewing total nonsense. For what you say to be true, indie games would have to universally be 'postmodern,' but what does that even mean to you? There's way more good modern indie games than there are modern big budget ones.

>>5360002
Basically this, when gaming went mainstream because Internet.

>>5360386
>>5360274
>>5360331
when people say indie they usually mean shitty pixel "art" games and crap like that. if you're talking about e.g. the higher quality crowdfunded stuff then that's fine

>>5360384
except jordy pee watered down the definition of postmodernism to 'when the left does stuff' or even just 'when something you don't like happens' to make the concept more palatable to his 9gagger patreon supporters and the final product is posts like that

>>5360384
yeah and where are they now? Nobody gives a fuck about them because they weren't nearly as smart and cool as postmodern thinkers.

>>5360404
lol john searle is still alive and he's way more important and influential in philosophy than that AIDS-spreading pedo apologist fag

>>5360393
I can still think of a few pixel art indie games that are damn good. Writing all indie games off as soulless postmodern trash indicates to me that the person making that claim is a braindead Petersonite.

imo the soul was gone when computers went from white to black

>>5360405
>UC Berkeley
Yikes! Cursed school.

>>5360397
>>5360409
he basically never talks about postmodernism in relation to art you idiots. that post calling shitty indie games postmodern could have easily been made 2-3 years ago and you wouldn't have been sperging about him. this guy is living rent free in so many people's heads lmao.

>I can still think of a few pixel art indie games that are damn good.
lol like what?

>>5360416
pretty sure it's one of the most highly rated in the world actually??

>>5360417
>lol like what
Shovel Knight Cave Story Mercenary Kings Lisa Series Enter the Gungeon Celeste Owlboy Bastion Transistor La Mulana Into the Breach
Those are just the ones off the top of my head and if you say "hurr those all suck" then you're just a joyless dip that isn't here to talk about video games let alone play them.

>>5360417
so why is that post conflating it with art? the trend of calling disparate things postmodernist is definitely relevant to petersonites. they do it all the time anyway. it's disingenuous to imply it has nothing to do with how he's influenced the discourse in that regard

>>5360426
there is one good game on that list, congrats

>>5360428
the term postmodernism originated in art criticism you fucking dingus. ever heard of andy warhol??

>>5360417
>lol like what
knytt stories is nice. originally came out like right before this soul-draining downward trend in gaming happened so playing it now gives me a pretty pertinent kind of weird nostalgia

>>5360430
Epic contrarianism but you'll have to do better than "hurr those r all shit." This is the last (you) you'll get from me.

>>5360435
andy warhol didn't develop any indie games

>>5360417
JBP openly weeps during his lectures on Postmodernism and how it supposedly ruined Disney movies.

>>5360442
the aesthetic principles he helped develop influenced a number of games. come on dude.

>>5360443
pretty sure he never did that specific combination of things

5th Gen was the last one to be full of soul
6th Gen have a lot of soul at the beginning but as time passed it got sucked right out

>>5360426
la mulana is at least good because it captures what made old adventure platformers like legacy of the wizard so fun to get lost in and try to explore while falling into many enraging traps, but creates an even more involved experience with mind-bending research-based puzzles, some of which are deliberately unfair, though still perfectly solvable.

the rest just seem like bland, ugly, and generic representatives of their genres

>>5360379
Wow talk about a strawman argument. That was never claimed.

When games became tools of mass-socializing is really when the soul and feel was lost.
Now it's pure consumerism. Why does EVERYTHING have to be social now? Do people not understand that oversocializing causes mental illnesses?

There are still good games though, but nothing with the label "AAA" for sure.

>>5359984
video games never had soul and are glorified toys for children.

>>5360506
Film is just stripped-down visual novels for retards who can't read actual books.

>>5360506
this is true but ebert thought so for the wrong reasons. game developers have full authorial control in the same sense authors and filmmakers do, and interacting with art has always involved choices made by the reader or viewer, if one is engaging with it on any more than a superficial level, such as in interpretation. but even engaging superficially one still makes choices in the interaction, such as where one focuses one's attention on a painting, or how long one spends reading a particular passage in a book, or whether to reread the passage for more clarity.

the real reason video games suck and aren't art is because it's a dumb hypercommercialized industry and almost all of the people who get involved in it are uneducated as to the history of art and literature, while the few who are educated are incapable of producing anything interesting, partly because to do so is very expensive and laborious, and partly because of the decay of aesthetic judgment in even the academic world

Looking forward to when Jordy P supporters start using the phrases "Virtue Signalling" to describe people who like games they don't.

Then liking anything that hasn't been shat out of EA will make you a Gaming Justice Warrior. Gamergate 2: Attack on postmodernism.

>>5360410
Interesting analogy...

>>5360548
please stop posting.

>>5360435
>the term postmodernism originated in art criticism
Pretty sure it originated with Lyotard's "The Postmodern Condition". That paper was about epistemology and the nature of scientific knowledge, I'm not sure if it mentioned art or art criticism at all.
Anyway the term "postmodern" has become largely meaningless and is now generally just a vague term for "things I like" or "things I don't like", depending on which side of the political aisle you're on.

>>5360449
He's definitely done them at separate times though.

>>5360530
>partly because to do so is very expensive and laborious
Bingo. One of the biggest reasons that video games have evolved so slowly, artistically speaking, is that they're so fucking hard to make. Even someone who's pro-level in coding, art, music, and every other part of the development process is still very limited in what they can produce by themselves, just because of the sheer amount of time involved. Whereas a novelist or painter can produce many complete works by themselves in a similar amount of time.

>>5360278
(you)

>>5360548
Seething degenerate.

>>5359984
>IBM XT

Could you really game on one of those? My dad used to have one.

>>5359984
I have a fondness for gen 6, until I remember that every game from back then comes with an hours-long tutorial.

>>5360720
That's not where it originated, he appropriated the term into philosophy. It was originally used to describe trends in art and literature following the artistic era known as modernism, the term "modernism" referring mainly to art of the early 20th century, with painters like Picasso and Matisse, and poets like T. S. Eliot and Ezra Pound. Artists during this period were known for extensive experimentation with form and distortion of reality, such as in cubism.

The following era we call post-modernism, examples being painter Andy Warhol as mentioned earlier, and the composer John Cage. Art shifts from a focus on formal experimentation to a focus on concept. Art from this period often provides commentary on art as a whole, such as John Cage's composition 4'33", in which a musician or a group of musicians don't play a single note for four minutes and thirty-three seconds: the composition is said to be made up of the sounds that are accidentally made for the duration of the "performance", such as people coughing or sounds of the weather coming from outside. This piece is seen as a commentary on how we think about music and precisely what music is, and is thus postmodern.

>mfw im an early zoomer but according to this post im a core to late millennial

>>5360410
are we talking about computers or the united states?

>>5360740
>Could you really game on one of those?

why do people need to fractionalize and label everyone into groups to feel superior? don't you have confidence on your own individual feats?

>>5360836
This thread is a pasta from Reddit if you didn't know. I've seen it on other boards like /co/ and /tv/ but with their respective stuff.

>>5359984
late millenial

>>5360041
How can one year be so destructive?

>>5360548
>Then liking anything that hasn't been shat out of EA will make you a Gaming Justice Warrior.
what?

>>5360262
This is incredibly accurate. Games aren’t games anymore. You can watch gameplay footage of modern games and have no earthly idea what game it is. You wouldn’t make that mistake 20-30 years ago. Hell even 2600 games are unique enough you can see them and know what game it is. That magic has been lost in this effort to make games into an alternative to R rated movies.

>>5360410
Damn you’re right...

>>5360503
Based

I mean, besides text adventures for dorks. Gimme the lowdown, old man.

>>5361292
Meant for this gen Xer right here >>5360835

>>5361280
What are you talking about? TONS of old games look the same.

>>5360818
same here

>>5360002
You can actually narrow that down further to 2007-2008, the year of the iPhone release and subsequent explosion in popularity. Major social media sites like Facebook and Twitter also either began here or started to hit it big.

>>5361298
You couldn't confuse a Sonic game for being a Super Mario game though could you? But really what's the real difference between CoD and Battlefield?

>>5359984
soul doesn't mean anything, you are just an inarticulate manchild trying desperately to figure out why you only care about games you played before you were an adult. You don't even like videogames really, just the association you have with a nostalgic time in your life.

>>5360445
which games? and how do you even know those games are what the post you're defending was referring to? it's almost as if you're both petersonites defending your nebulous meme usage of the word because it sounds smart

>>5360797
what does this have to do with muh degenrate nu indie games though? you can copypaste wikipedia articles all day and it won't add any substance to your real point here

>>5360506
Yeah, and look where his words got him. He's dead!

>>5361706
>you only like video games if you eagerly and unreflectively consume every turd that EA and Blizzard and Rockstar shit out these days hurrr durr

>>5359984
Core Mil. for me the PSX and the N64 contain the best memories and longest hours.

Games with soul are whatever illicit an emotional response, usually from your childhood or a time of your life when you were happy. Modern indie games seem sterile to me, but if you're playing them as a happy kid you will probably remember them fondly and describe them as soulful in 10 years.

>>5362129
>which games?
games by people like jason rohrer and jonathan blow. there's a pretty obvious aesthetic-dialectical continuity between postmodern art and games like these, as they're less concerned with the formal (i.e. mechanical) aspect of games than they are with the conceptual. a more explicit example of such a game, though, would be the stanley parable, which you might be familiar with. it uses distinctly postmodern techniques like metafiction, self-reflexivity, and pastiche in order to comment on the nature of games as a medium.

>and how do you even know those games are what the post you're defending was referring to?
because it's infinitely more likely this guy's getting his ideas from icycalm than peterson. icy doesn't use the word postmodern often himself, but as i've already said, it's been around forever and it's not hard to make the comparison between these games and the art movement

read:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110928082148/http://insomnia.ac/commentary/the_myth_of_independence/

https://culture.vg/features/art-theory/on-the-genealogy-of-art-games.html

>it's almost as if you're both petersonites defending your nebulous meme usage of the word because it sounds smart
it's almost as if you're an insane conspiracy theorist who's absolutely obsessed with this internet personality. "nebulous meme usage" of the word has been around since it was first coined, as it's a nebulous meme word. that doesn't make it meaningless however, just broad.

>>5362137
>what does this have to do with muh degenrate nu indie games though?
that post was made for the purpose of correcting the other person. please learn how to follow a conversation.

>you can copypaste wikipedia articles all day
i obviously didn't, but you can believe that if it makes you feel better.

jsyk i don't even dislike postmodernism or postmodern art, though indie games (and games in general) are still stupid for reasons i explain in >>5360530

>>5362378
alright

>>5360002
>>5360041
>>5361362
i don't think it has to be some nebulous thing like 'games got bad in 2007 because a website came out that i don't like'. i think more specifically the problem arose when game consoles became more online and more explicitly serviced-based which encouraged shit like microtransactions etc. it just happened to be around the same time. also was around the time a lot of buyouts of smaller developers happened so games naturally became more homogenized

i think saying it has anything to do with soul is missing the point at best and kinda pernicious at worse

>>5359984
>early 2010's

Retard? You mean Early 2000's?

>>5360005
This is the hipster answer, FYI

>>5359984
Still plenty of soul where I'm sitting.

>>5359984

Not sure what to make of the timeline.
I'm Gen X all the way, but I did most of my console gaming in high school and college,
and the 16-bit era was more significant to me than any other.

>>5362459
you're welcome

>>5359984
>Nintendo Labo

holy shit lmao, i will never not laugh at nintoddlers

>>5362605
I think Labo is a cute idea. Nintendo has the pdfs so you can make them for free, and it's a nice arts-and-crafts thing to help people bond with their kids. No games worth playing, but it's a nice activity. If there was a reason to build my controller into a cardboard accordion or whatever when I was a kid, I would have done that in a heartbeat.

Late Zoomer. There's still plenty of truly inspired games out there, even though the industry as a whole is in a bit of a creative lull.

>>5362596
you're making me regret conceding

>>5360485
Cave Story is also a good game anon. When Japanese devs make a self-published small game it's good, when the West does it it's bland.

>>5363205
cave story is a bland and generic platformer. people only give it credit because it was made entirely from scratch by one person, which is semi-impressive i guess

>>5362625
a minority does not constitute an era and even big indies have to bend the knee these days
last era to meet your criteria was late y, early z already had a 65/35 ratio of shit to good games

>>5359984
6th gen for sure. It was the last gen of truly iconic video games and new franchises before the mass marketed pushed ones like COD, Fortnite and Minecraft. Really the only truly memorable and noteworthy new IP to even come out of last gen was the Souls games and even then those games fast became overhyped, overmarketed trash like everything else. The genre itself even became a thing and it to is very cancerous. Last gen was the gen that destroyed gaming thanks to online becoming mainstream.

So yes definitely sixth gen was the last era of gaming with soul.

>>5363228
>It was the last gen of truly iconic video games and new franchises before the mass marketed pushed ones
Oh get off it. The second half of 6th gen was virtually identical to 7th gen in terms of EA / Activision style franchising with your yearly Prince of Persias, Splinter Cells, etc. Not to forget the obscene amount of money Microsoft spent on advertising and bribing related to Halo 2.

You could even argue that 5th gen already had obnoxious franchising. There was already the yearly Tomb Raider, Spyro and Crash. And the obscene amount of money spent on hyping Final Fantasy VII.

The only real difference is you like the shilled 5th and 6th gen games but not the newer stuff. Soul died with 2D at the end of 4th gen and that's a fact.

>>5363228
bayonetta is hella iconic. lol

>>5363246
Bayonetta is just a feminine Devil May Cry in all seriousness. Its essentially just a complete copy clone game only with a female character. And no its not as iconic as DMC.

>>5363228
botw is the most iconic zelda game fight me

>>5363248
dante is just an edgelord while bayonetta is a sexy babe. way better

>>5359984
None. It's all a corporate scam.

>>5363205
>three passive-aggressive porn games, a galaga clone, and a bland metroidvania done wrong are indie games done right
>muh 2013 gamergate meme games account for all western indies

>every vertical 2d shooter is a galaga clone
I lol’d

>>5363464
it's not exactly unique outside of muh waifus, is my point

>>5359984
Eras of gaming don't have soul. Games do.
Always look for the gems in any era and don't let nostalgia limit you.

>>5363243
>>forgetting about thief, system shock 2 and deus ex.
Typical 4th gen babby kys.

>>5363474
That doesn't change the overall market.

>>5363491
>obnoxious franchising
implying is not same for 4th gen.

"Boomers" should be shot seriously.
Next thing you niggers will say your parents are from the greatest generation.

>>5363502
You have to be 18 or older to post here

>>5363502
>be alive to watch the birth of retro gaming right from the start
that sounds pretty fucking good actually

>>5359984
early-mid 2000s

generation y is chad tier

>>5363256
>literally just steals random mechanics from other open world games and slaps link and zelda in it
>>most iconic
take your ritalin, zoomboi

>>5359984

Late Xer here (1980), stopped playing vidya round about the time I started working a real job after grad school (2006). I think the latest game I played around then was Oblivion on the PC, even around then I felt the newer games (inc. Oblivion, GalCiv II, NWN 2, Battlefield 2, Quake 4) though fun, were really lacking in soul.

The most recent games that I really remember fondly are GTA:VC, VtM:Bloodlines, around 2003/4 I believe.

Getting back into gaming now that I have kids, find myself going back to old shit like Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, XCOM UFO Defense, MechWarrior 2, Deus Ex. Play Super Nintendo with my kids a lot. Tried Xbox 360, my son likes co-op Borderlands 1/2 but to me it's brainlet tier compared to the PC classics from the 90s.

>>5363420
wow, this is now level of vidya ignorance, even for /vr/.

Sixth gen and XP. Afterwards we spiraled into a neverending shitstorm of RROD consoles, AAA multiplats, console online gaming, death of dedicated servers and mods on PC, rehashes, remakes, annual franchises; and even today a decent indie game is the exception, most of them are pixelated, rehashed shovelware. I agree with several other posters that around 2007 was the turning point, only not because of phones or Facebook, but because of the seventh gen of consoles. By 2008 I had found 4chan, and by 2010 I had lost so much interest in gaming that I even tried out Linux.

>>5359984
xbox was the first soulless system

>>5363623
Would you consider the Genesis and SNES big parts of your later childhood?

1980 is the last of gen x, but you might be also slightly millennial because of your later childhood (10-14) bleeding into that era.

>>5363563
how is a gigantic open world adventure with nintendo polish not like the best thing you can imagine

i'm 99% certain you guys just think 'soul' means simple graphics and retro jank

>>5364368
I'm 100% certain you don't have memories of /vr/ times.

From doom II to Fallout 3 (1994-2008)

>>5364114

SNES, definitely, spent great deal age 11-13 playing SMK and SF2 with frens. Genesis not so much but that was just personal preference. After 14 or so when I got a PC that was pretty much it though, and the PC gaming years are the ones I remember most fondly. First game I played on the PC was Quarantine.

>>5363205
If this isn't bait, Gone Home and Fez are automatically better than your lolicon games by virtue of not being for virgin weeapedos. Also Cave Story doesn't deserve to be lumped in over there. Did you even know what video games were before you discovered anime?

I'd say fourth generation for consoles, but I might be willing to concede the fifth gen (even if it didn't appeal that much to me even as a little kid). I think PC games took a little while to really get off the ground and lasted a little while longer. The same is true for mobile games to a certain extent.

>>5360041
People actually watched big bang hypothesis? That shitshow was only a skin for alienware advertisements. Not to mention its a boring fucking show.
Always Sunny is a million times better

>>5364392
melty blood and touhous were at the cutting edge of their respective genres when they came out and cave story is substantially worse than them. if you don't actually like video games you shouldn't be posting here

>>5364371
you're literally just proving the point that soul is just nostalgia for simple graphics and retro jank

>>5365702
Not like you could know what soul is, anyway.
Also, it's possible to have nostalgia for anything. I have nostalgia for playing NES games back in the late 80s as well as playing Bayonetta or SF IV just a few years ago.
Just accept that you weren't alive to experience an era of gaming, and you're bitter that this board doesn't cater to your specific, limited life time.

>>5365713
you have special nostalgia for games you played as a child. so do i. i have lots of nostalgia for snes games like a link to teh past, super mario world, final fantasy 6, chrono trigger, and super mario rpg. but i don't pretend there's anything special about them relative to modern games. soul is just a meme for delusional nostalgiatards.

>>5360384
Yeah, those people are called the unemployed and there's a lot of them on this site.

>>5366906
i don't understand this post

I was born in 1997 and I played all core and late millennial then early zoomer in my late childhood and teens. This was mainly because I was poor

The Soul era officially ended whenever zoomer fags started spending their money on in-game items instead of buying more video games.
Coin-op games aren't the same thing because you're renting time on somebody else's expensive machine. Dumping money into a game you own means you're too fucking stupid to play video games.

>>5360417
>living rent free in your head meme
except he's subsidized by the NEETs that support his ass. Let's not forget the massive amount of money that backs the rest of the charlatans in the so-called intellectual dark web.

>>5359984
>electronic entertainment machines with no independent thought or feelings
>'soul'
you fags and your forced memes...

>>5367312
I don't think all DLC is bad. I think it's nice when the devs are able to continue adding content after they finish the game. But that's rarely the case.

>>5359984
Soul never existed in video games. It's just a fake term for what people liked.

>>5363420
>galaga clone
Anon if I didn't know any better I'd say you were proud of those few extra chromosomes of yours

>>5367385
No, it's pretty obvious when a studio spends time and love making a game vs. when something is an obvious cash grab.

>>5367425
if that's your logic, then 'soul' died with the PS1... that console pretty much invented shovelware.

>>5367425
Either you make it look good to the best of your ability and that of the console or you don't. Time and love have nothing to do with it.

>>5367473
>"soul" is purely visual
lol retard go back to /v/

>>5367429
>PS1 pretty much invented shovelware
lol retard go back to /v/

>>5367429
I think shovelware has been around since the 2600 desu

>>5367527
Soul does not exist in video games, period.

>>5367356
lmao you're just proving me right dude. you're obsessed. and neway, if he's only doing it for the money, then why did he delete his patreon that was getting him like 100k/mo? ;)

Bump

>>5365497
Older people (mid 50's-early 70s) love that show from what I've noticed, they're the ones that tend to talk about it the most.

>>5368565
Bzooka!

>>5359984
>tfw zoomer but third-world country so first console was brother's SNES, then PS1 and GBA

>>5360041
It's also the year sarah said no when I asked her out to the prom, fuck you sarah and your stupid ass prom.

bump

>>5368965
don't worry about her man, i took her instead ;)

>>5360285
Video games are a postmodern medium.

>>5359984
1994 was when the soul was going downhill till we got to 2001 a soulless odyssey.

>>5372212
that's funny since 2001 is probably the most important year in the history of video games.

>>5372219
>2001 is probably the most important year in the history of video games.

>>5360410
So, 1984 at the latest? The Amiga, early Mac, Windows 3.x, even Windows 95 had plenty of soulful games. Early Mac and Windows used the standard GUI controls of these systems in a very charming way.

>>5360426
>Bastion Transistor
Not pixely.

>>5360437
Seiklus is from that time abs has a similar atmosphere to Knytt and some Knytt Stories. It's pretty good, though the platforming itself is much simpler and less interesting.

>>5368579
Was the SNES popular in your country? I thought the Sega Genesis (MegaDrive) ruled the third world.

>>5372219
>Dreamcast discontinued
>Xbox debut
>9/11 happened which led to a lot of video games being censored or cancelled.

>>5360002
>>5360041
>>5362468
>>5361362
I think you got the time period right, but not the main reason. I agree it happened in the late 2000s. The main reason, though, was probably that AA-AAA games got so fucking expensive to make. Publishers started to play it a lot safer and pander to broader, more mainstream audiences. The games with enough presence and marketing push to shape gaming culture got blander and blander.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WQHDUYk310

>>5362193
>describe them as soulful in 10 years
I'm really curious whether kids who grew up with Angry Birds will start creating "sophisticated", "subversive" and "dark" indie tributes to them in about 5 years.

>>5360041
here’s the pic

>>5363205
>Magical Battle Arena
I didn't know there was a doujin TPS with characters from Nanoha, Cardcaptor Sakura, Rayearth and Slayers.

>>5365685
Was Melty Blood really cutting edge among fighting games of the time?

>>5359984
I realize this place especially believes that video games are no longer good, but there really are good AAA releases now and again.

I mean, I'm going to say "2005" because every week three or four all-time classic games came out then (and coincidentally, most of us were 12 at the time), but 2007 had plenty of risk-taking, inventive games that weren't genre shooters. 2017 was chock full of games from P5 to Nier2 to Gravity Rush 2 to Subnautica that were inventive and interesting. 2018 even had RDR2, which anyone who's played can tell is a fucking insane mashup of autism-tier simulation and fun storytelling. We're only two months deep into 2019 and we already have a new ace combat! DMC5 is fucking coming out!

idk prolly 2005 though, things really came to a head with re4

>>5359984
I reject OP's premise. From the beginning most video games, like most art, have been soulless (i.e., made with no passion and not enough sheer talent and skill to compensate for the lack of passion). If you don't believe me, think about what happened in 1983.

>>5372280

>>5372295
>think about what happened in 1983
I wish it would happen again.

hey I realize everyone here is going to post that "2007: girls and facebook get teh internets!!" pic, but here's the thing:
the people that play games on the train now never in their life played a single video game.
In 2010, when they didn't own an iphone 4s, they just fucking read books.
Bejewed and Candy Cucks didn't make all existing dev infrastructure switch gears to alienate a core audience, they literally created "gamers" out of an audience that didn't exist before.
Is there a new mobile command and conquer that sucks? Sure, but fucking 4 came out and good luck selling a 5 after that shit.
Is there a new mobile diablo that sucks? Sure, but fucking 3 came out and good luck trying to get Tencent to pay for a 4.
Is there a new card game from Valve that sucks?
Sure, but their entire corporate culture revolves around eating candy all day and sucking each other off. Good luck selling crunch time to a company that you literally cannot be fired at, that makes infinite money forever.

>>5372259
it's when some of hte most influential video games of all time came out though, like halo, gta3, and devil may cry

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>>5372258
Here in Peru the SNES was more popular than the Megadrive, and the one my brother got was a gift from my grandpa which lived in the US at the time
AFAIK the Megadrive only ruled Brasil and parts of Argentina, but I'm not so sure about the last

>reddit soul meme
Kill yourselves.

>>5360895
1914 was worse.

>>5363205
It just never ceases to amuse me that lunatic weebs call everything from Vladivostok to San Francisco "The West".

>>5359984
i was born in 1988 and through my years gaming i think the last game to really make me feel something special (Or i guess "SOUL" as it's usually put.) was Paper Mario Thousand Year Door. But there were definitely large gaps in between games that did so on the gamecube, felt it more often on n64 and VERY often on SNES (Favorite game is Super Metroid.) But there was a very abrupt cut off after PM:TYD and i suddenly rarely felt much from playing games. Since then the only game that i've felt something special from was Dark Souls 1 (please no bully) everything back to TYD and everything since has felt lacking or a waste of time. I can tell with some Switch games that Nintendo is starting to remember what used to make their games good. They hit some good notes with Mario Kart 8, BOTW, Mario Odyssey, and the new Smash, but it's still not as good as it used to be. I just can't get into most modern games, everything i've bought for ps4 has disappointed me.

Pic related is the specific last game with soul. The day it was release was the day which ended soul's era. The date was; April 20, 2006.

>>5359984
PS3... It's all about Risk taking. There were still risks being made with the PS3.

>>5368965
It was the year I fucked Things up with Kira. I feel you

>>5373280
clean my toilet, thirdworldler

>>5373169

I can't wait to link to this thread in 15 years when people are debating whether 2023 was the year soul died.

>>5374028
Save it on your hard drive and keep copying it. Outside of two boards, you don't know whether the archives will last.

>>5364392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Ifue2xGFY

>>5359984
X360/PS3 era still had soul. The x360 had fuckton of Japanese shmups, gave rise to XBLA ports and consequently the indie scene, and there were still actual GOOD GAMES in that era, like C&C3/RA3, Prototype, Lost Planet, Katamari, MK9, Dawn of War 2, the first Borderlands, etc.

It's in the early-mid 2010s that gaming went full retarded, with every game becoming a MOBA, forced diversity ruining all character designs, kickstarter scams ruining it for indie games, and titles like Diablo and C&C turned into shitty mobile games.

>>5359984
I'm genuinely confused by your image. Dreamcast and Xbox were my first consoles back in '02/03 and I was born in '99. Actually most of my friends growing up had a PS2, Gamecube, GBA or PSP. It wasn't until the Wii/PS2 were done that most people moved onto 360/PS3 by '09.

>>5374505
Also, the Wii60/PS3 console wars were a thing of legend. SNES/Genesis was baby tier compared to that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJw9sbOTsc

However it all ended abruptly when Nintendo killed the Wii for the Wii U, Microsoft killed the X360 for the Kinect, and Sony... started releasing good games.

>>5372258
Philippines here. Super Family Computer was one of the most popular systems here, most likely supplanting Family Computer until the Playstation arrived.

It was that Dragonball fighting game.

>>5374509
Bait, the only good games Sony ever released were Gran Turismo, at least for /vr/ intention and purposes. Reapply yourself

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>>5374505
I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I didn't like the squad based gameplay of DoW2 and still consider DoW Dark Crusade the superior game.

>>5374505
>there were still actual GOOD GAMES in that era, like C&C3/RA3, Prototype, Lost Planet, Katamari, MK9, Dawn of War 2, the first Borderlands,
Jesus christ

>>5372280
For the record I don't think TBBT popularized geek culture, it would've grown anyway, TBBT is merely one of the first and most prominent examples for mainstream productions to cash in on it.

>>5359984
Everything died in the 360 era. Art direction was replaced with built in engine special effects so the most bland and unimaginative environments could be prettied up and people would call it a masterpiece. The best example of this is the Elder Scrolls Oblivion. All the landscapes were made as generic as possible with excessive amounts of bloom thrown in to fool everyone. It comes out and people call it the best thing ever. Several years later people realized it was complete shit. A game with "soul" doesn't "age" so quickly. People can see the solid art direction that can't be outright improved upon by doubling the pixel count or increasing the texture size.

Just look at the new Link's awakening. They wanted it to look toylike and small so they slapped on a depth of field effect. The art direction isn't making things look toylike, its all special effects thrown on top. If it were on PC with an option to remove the effect suddenly it looks like shit.

Literally 30 yr old Boomer here. We had it real good, especially getting to be part of the rise of quality PC games. Id Software, Blizzard and Westwood were gods.

I feel like 2002 was the last year of games being made with soul. After that year, the PS2 started receiving a lot of garbage shovelware titles. The PS2's first 2 years had great titles like Dark Cloud, FFX which improved on prequels with VA and a more unique setting, Jak and Daxter which was a fresh platformer, Metal Gear Solid 2 which improved on MGS even though people dislike Raiden or whatever it was a good game, Extermination was a fun survival horror, Kinetica which took a fresh take on racing. Then you hit 2002 and its all sorts of movie inspired games, shitty sequels like X-2 and Jak 2, dumb gimmicks like the EyeToy.

After 2002 great games are far and few between.

>>5372219
>2001 is probably the most important year in the history of video games.
what the fuck

>>5374505
>Borderlands
>Soul
If shilling a bajillion guns is soul then so be it. /v/ got shilled so hard that it became meme worthy.

>>5375660
>GTA 3
>Metal Gear Solid 2
>Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3
>Super Smash Bros Melee
>Max Payne
>Ico
>Silent Hill 2
>Halo
>Final Fantasy X
>Devil May Cry
>Fortnite
>Advance Wars
>Sonic Adventure 2
>Luigi’s Mansion
>RuneScape
>Animal Crossing
>Pikmin
>Golden Sun

>>5374505
>C&C3/RA3
Those were trash.

>>5359984
Y

>>5359984
>muh 5 hours of in-game tutorials
>muh voiceovers
>muh music recorded on actual instruments n shit

>>5376053
>THPS3
The second one was better and way more revolutionary.
>MGS2
First one was also better and more important.
>FFX
Steaming cow pat.

>>5376053
>GTA III
that game is shit compared to other 3D GTA’s and really not that important

>>5376856
Not only that, but it's frustrating as shit that it's considered the first 3D open world game.
You may have heard of it here and there, but there's a little known series out there called THE FUCKING ELDER SCROLLS.