/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5356461
as a kid it was hard to remember the order of the buttons so i'd imagine the top row was of a house (square) followed by a roof (triangle). Bottom row was hugs (x) and kisses (o).

I kind of learned to associate them tho, now I dont know anything else.

>>5356461
That shit is puzzling to this day.
I mean in Japan it makes sense, the circle and the cross I mean for positive/negative, but outside that...

>>5356517
When games were localized they didn't even follow that scheme.

Why did they think the button button needs to confirm, in stark defiance to the intent of the symbols? Maybe the symbols didn't make any sense but, FFS, on an SNES controller the right button confirms and that's clearly what they were going for when they designated these buttons.

>>5356521
*bottom button

>>5356461
who cares
what's wrong with you

I wish it had letters or numbers...

>>5356545
S O N Y

>>5356510
Same thing here.

>>5356545
O = 1 line
X = 2 lines
Δ = 3 lines
□ = 4 lines

>>5356461

>>5356634
I'm not autistic, thanks

>>5356634
Haha, I came to the same epiphany just recently.

It was (and is) iconic, and far more memorable than the ever-changing arrangements of A-B-X-Y that other consoles use.

The sucky thing about it was it made writing down combos or cheat codes awkward.

>>5356674
>praising it and shitting on it in the same post
Sony drones, when will they learn

>>5356461
Shit infuriated me after getting so used to Super nintendo. There were lots of PS1 games that didn't really stick to a designated 'select and cancel' mapping and it always threw me off in between games.

>>5356461
>naming schemes
???
You just call them "face buttons" like every other controller and call them by their shapes when referring to them individually. You know your shapes right?

>>5356634
That actually matches the sequencing of the SNES controller.

>>5356715
Does it?

>C has no lines
>D has 1 line
>B has 1 line
>A has 3 lines
Unless you wanna argue that B somehow has 2 lines, I don't see a pattern.

>>5356634
nice.
>>5356736
right, bottom, top, left.
also, c and d... what?

>>5356736

It was designed specifically to be easy for new players get used to 3D environments, triangle was supposed to be used to change to player view, square was map, circle was yes, and x was no.

>>5356461
△ = up
▢ = left
O = right
X = down

You stare at them for 10 minutes, they're color coded geometric shapes and easily associable by anyone in the world or in outer space since it's not biased on latin characters. You get good by playing some games, and I'll be damned if you cannot recall them anymore.

>>5356461
I learned it playing demos of Parappa and Lammy.

>>5356885
O = one line
X = two lines
△ = three lines
▢ = four lines

>>5356461
you're just too dumb and lazy to memorize it

>>5356471
Nice, mind if I take this mnemonic device into use?

>>5357045
please and thank you

>>5356461
...........view
menu..........yes
............no

>>5356461
It's a whole lot easier than xyab/baxy/yxba/xayb etc etc etc.

a challenger appears

>>5357092
No

>>5356461
only ones i ever mix up are square and circle after not using a dualshock for a while

>>5357092
What are syllables for $1000 Alex?

In what world is saying Triangle easier than Y?

>>5357528
Say? This is /vr/ you zoomer, nobody is talking they fagboy friends over a microphone. The PS system is just straight up easier to remember. How in 80 worlds of fuck would how many syllables the word used to describe it be relevant. Get a surgeon to sand your brain down 'cause yours is too fucking smooth, too fucking smooth.

>>5356736
Ascending number of lines on PS buttons = alphabetical order of SNES buttons

>>5357547
dude fuck off I doubt you’re even out of your twenties

>>5356875
This. The triangle represented a head and the square represented a map. It’s abstraction.
Plus colour-coded symbols are easier for our brains to make associations with than random letters.

>>5356521
There are actually a number of SNES games that use B for accept and Y for cancel.

>>5356642
>No pizza
Nigga that's four slices

>>5357217
Fuck that's gross. What's you're problem man?

>>5357547
That was an angry rant.

I just remembered X as the 'main' button, so you would normally be using X. To the left was square, and to the right was circle. Up top was triangle - the last button to remember. Honestly, how hard is it to remember? Just remember where the buttons are relative to X, I figured this out when I was a toddler

>>5356461
How low IQ do you need to be to have a hard time understanding a controller I figured out when I was 4?

>>5357092
SNES grouped A & B and X & Y together. You really only had to know where two of the buttons were, and by simple logical deduction knew where the other two were.

>>5356461
just because it's not numbers or characters?
so it's symbols instead. it works well enough.
they represent 1, 2, 3, 4 as well if you look closely.

>>5357217
>cylinder, 3-dimensional cross shape, cube, pyramid

It's much, much easier to recall than the stupid A/B/X/Y/whatever special snowflake buttons bullshit that every faggot console manufacturer under the sun has ruined beyond belief by swapping around. I have to notate shit on other controllers by saying "the button where triangle would be" instead of Y or X because hell if I know which of the two is there on that specific type of controller.

>>5356461
>Square
>Triangle
>Oh
>Ex
What's the problem?

>>5357837
>3-dimensional cross shape
cruciform

>>5357547
It is a common tendency of human language since forever to prefer the shorter (read, less number of syllables) alternative.

it's the best system
beats the fucking boring letters

>>5356461

>>5356875
Then Sony of America/Europe are like "Lets just arbitrarily make circle cancel instead."

>>5356521
Because many SNES games in the West used B and Y as the main buttons because that's where your thumb would naturally rest. Consequently Cross and Square are the main action buttons to this day.

>>5359000
Actually back then it was typically Triangle that was cancel.

>>5359374
I didn't grow up with playstation, but when I played at a friend's house it was easy to understand X for confirm and Triangle for cancel.

I couldn't remember which side square or circle were on, until I realized X and O are essentially A and B.

>>5356461
It's easy to remember because Nintendo fucked up the lettering on their controllers so badly, and it's hard to remember which button is where depending on whther it's Xbox or Nintendo.

The Playstation buttons will always be in the exact same place. You say "square button" and people immediately know which position you mean.

>>5356461
bad, but not worse than "C-left" etc

>>5359504
Those are tertiary buttons mostly used for inventory management or camera control though. The simple directional scheme is perfectly intuitive, it's not like it's a Sega style six button layout.

it's a good system except the colors are wrong

>>5360208
begone, you blasphemous heathen!

I remember it way better than Nintendo's,

I can remember red because that's the confirm but outside of that I couldn't be sure and I can't be sure which letter corresponds to which face button. With Sony's I can remember exactly which symbol is which button instantly and at least Sony stuck o the layout instead of going haywire with it like Nintendo did

>EXS button

>When faggots say 'box' instead of 'square'.

>>5358886
Irrelevant though, since you're not thinking about the buttons in terms of words, you're thinking of them as shapes/colors/positions.

>>5360208
this triggers me more than it should

>>5356971
why was this deleted lol

Look at all the Sony drones in full damage control mode

>>5356461
Personally, I think there should be more buttons so that you always find one to press when you're angry.

>>5356461
Actually it's quite intuitive.

>>5360208
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I've never wanted to legitimately kill an anon before this point. Be glad your anonymity protects you from my righteous wrath.

>>5357575
I don't know about you, but my head isn't a triangle. Also, you do realize that letters are symbols, don't you?

>>5359402
This. We switch consoles often at my house so it's easiest to say playstation buttons because of Nintendo's fucked x and y

>>5361012
This gives me the same uneasy feeling s pic related

>>5360759
>when faggots say "cross" instead of "ex"

>>5360208
I liked.

>>5356634
>circle
>line

>this thread

did no one teach you shapes as children

>>5356471
>>5356510
>console peasants need memory devices to remember the configuration of four (4) buttons
Wow.

>>5356642
kekd

>>5363561
Underrated

>>5361089
That image is fake, btw

>>5363741
So is the one of the controller.

>>5356471
Fucking moron

>>5361029
>>5360883
>>5360731
what's the problem?
I don't get it

>>5356461

>>5363854
Found the robot.

>>5360792
And I don't see the point in people discussing which one is easier to remember. As >>5361030, said, letters are also symbols and your capacity of remembering them is entirely subjective.

Now back to naming schemes, simple letters feel objectively more comfortable to say than square, triangle, etc. And why this even matters is because, as we are doing now, we're communicating between each other. If you lived in a bubble and talked with no one else, it wouldn't matter if a button was named "non-euclidean geometric shape", you would never have the need to use it.

>>5357830
how retarded do you have to be to think this is relevant?

>pressing x to confirm
forget about naming this is the real sin

>>5356461
It's fine. It's unique. What is poor is the xbox scheme, they just took the SNES ABXY style and shuffled it around, confusing absolutely everybody that has played video games before.

>>5365701
pls explain, I'm a nigger

>>5356461
A
E O
X

>>5356461
X and triangle where fine but circle and square seemed counter intuitive,

>>5357547
1. Internal dialog
2. Reading a button sequence (for a cheatcode or a sick move in Soulblade) out to your friend

>>5356461
>X Box 360

>>5356461
shapes arguably have more symbolism than alphabet letters

Cicrle: wholeness or fullness, a complete shape like a full moon or the sun
Cross: separation and division, eliminating something by breaking it apart (a plus sign shows that two parts of a whole are separated.)
Triangle: stability, strength, purpose, shelter
Square: complexity and organization, order and containment

>>5366316
At least xbox had it right to put x and y on their respective axis.

>>5356461
Have you seen nintendos latest controller

>>5356471
woooow, fuck I always thought x's were kisses and o's were hugs

>>5356461
Don't understand why companies just go with 1 2 3 4 instead of cryptic symbols. It's much more intuitive than first having to imprint the location of the buttons in your brain.

>>5372320
Because we're not dirty PC peasants. That and the potential confusion involved with numbered buttons like "press 1 5 times".

>>5366316
blame Sega for that one, since it's from the DC (and even further back, the Saturn and Genesis 6-button controllers, since the DC pad simply just lops off Z and C)

>>5357217
that cylinder is kinda pissing me off

>>5356461

The ideal naming scheme is N S E W.

Why hasnt this been done yet?

>>5372335
Doesn't work for Santa Claus

>>5356689
>weighing positives and negatives
>drone

pick one

>>5372373
This makes no fucking sense.

>>5372373
Nintendo didn't even get a controller with both C and YX until fucking gamecube

>>5361089
It is technically cross according to Sony manuals but I don’t think many if any call it anything other than ecks.

What was their reasoning in swapping X and O? The meaning of X in the West is similar to its meaning in Japan. If they really wanted to change something, they could have made the circle a tick.

>a Japanese game console for a Japanese audience
>English words with roman letters

>>5372401
C is a stick, though.

You know, for "Camera"?

>>5372430
Sony literally used the SNES layout and renamed the buttons
Western developers assigned the wrong actions to these buttons because they didn't read Sony's documentation
Just like you didn't read this thread

>>5356461
I like it.