/vr/ - Retro Games

Is it possible to get a Linux laptop using an hd3000 integrated gpu to output at 15khz to a PVM? I keep trying to make custom modelines but I keep getting xrandr errors or a vertically rolling screen

Ogre Battle 64 running on a wii at 480i does not look bad at all anons. I was going to play through again on the N64, but decided to try out the VC version. I think the N64 games on the VC look good on the 25" crt. I may try others after this for "educational" purposes.

Picked up a CRT for free last Saturday and it works well but there's a bit of purple discoloring in a corner.
Any idea if it's a bad sign?

>>5332107
summer of 92

would i be able to use a KV-1393R as a pc monitor

>>5332285
probably it was near a magnet/field, should fix itself after a few power ups as the demag circuit kicks in

>>5332304
the actual resolution would be something like 300x200, most of the text would be unreadable, but otherwise it could be done

Does anyone know anything about Insignias with this model: IS-TVDVD20? I know they are usually rebrands of other models. I would rather get that fucker if it's decent in person than the Sony off of ebay which may not survive shipping and is more expensive. Here is the listing, and don't worry about the price-- I'm not paying that.

https://houston.craigslist.org/ele/d/alvin-insignia-20-crt-tv/6799630185.html

>>5332107
*casually tosses tiny PVMs to the floor*

So how long can I expect a CRT to last before it inevitable breaks down?

>>5332107
is it true kevin nash was raped in 92?

In my completely subjective opinion these are some of the best looking CRTs I've used, in order of image quality

0. NEC XG 135 LC
1. Commodore 1702
2. Sony PVM 2530
3. JVC TM-13U
4. Mitsubishi AM-3501R
5. Toshiba 36A60
6. NEC XM29+
7. Sony PVM 1271Q
8. Sony PVM 1390
9. RCA Lyceum TV
10. Phillips PS1957C
11. Mitsubishi Diamondscan 20m
12. Mitsubishi Megaview XC3717C
13. Sony PVM 1954Q
14. Sony CVM 1900
15. JVC 14-F703

As you can tell it is rather nonsensical if you just go by technical specs, but it is what it is. If you come across a 1702 do not let it go. Even with "only" s-video available it is an incredible monitor. When you are playing games on it you will be saying to yourself "Yes, this is it. This is right."

>>5332401
confirmed for autism. also
>5'5
No way

>>5332429
No shitting, there is this crappy old flea market in town with a booth run by some old Mexican guy just full of nothing but old electronic junk and cables out the wazoo. He had a 1702 for YEARS sitting up on the shelf with SMB on NES looping endlessly. I’d been going to that market for at least 10 years off and on and it was always there. One day I decided to ask, “what would you take for the monitor?” and he mumbled 25 dollars. I passed on it but decided maybe a month or two later I’m going to get it having bit the retro bug. I came back and the fucker was gone!

>>5332474
Going by my calculations from this image using 6'2" Aaron Rodgers (a pro athlete with a known true public height) she is around 5'2 1/2" tall.

>>5332505
They're worth 100+ dollars and are only going to go up in value for the next several years, so it's to be expected.

Typically geometry settings allow me to adjust height, width, linearity, etc but how do I adjust just one of the corners of the screen? The top left corner is lower vertically than the top right corner, although the bottom left and bottom right corners are even.

>>5332562
>The top left corner is lower vertically than the top right corner, although the bottom left and bottom right corners are even.
This is a common geometry error in a CRT and depending on what model you have you may not have enough flexibility of controls to change it. If you can find pin-balance, keystone, or corner linearity controls buried deep within a menu (or possibly service menu) you can try to adjust it, but it will never be perfect.

Take a photo and post it here. I bet you the best thing to do about it will end up being "stop focusing so much on test patterns and play video games".

Posting some sprite bazongas

>>5332578
Gonna need a sauce, fren

>>5332590
Legend of Oasis

>>5332617
Thanks fren

>>5332576
Here you go. This is as good as I can get it

>>5332670
Anon...

You have better geometry than 99% of CRTs out there. it's time to stop fucking with it, turn off the test grid, and play games or watch videos.

>>5332107
>cancer isn't enough
>maybe gay cancer will do it

is the back part of your crt supposed to glow red when its on?

>>5332827
Does it also hum with the whispers of lucifer? You don't get that with an LCD, no sir.

>>5332830
it makes a buzzing noise

>>5332687
But now that he knows it's there it's all he'll see.

>>5332827
Some glow is normal.

>>5332827
Post pics befor it explodes

Just a little info for anyone using an arcadevga to get stuff to play on a PVM/BVM, I got an Extron 109xi to properly combine sync for $18 and it works very well. Not as many bells and whistles as the rxi units, but it does the job well.

who dafuq wants a big and heavy piece of crap when modern tvs are so much better?

>>5332827
yes

>>5332836
Then he should snap out of that. If you tried to correct that geometry to get rid of the slight bowing in the upper left you'd just introduce distortion somewhere else, or misconverge it.

It's done.
Over.
Finito.
Stop.
Stahp.

Quit touching it
Quit it

>>5332287
>leave /asp/
>see Nash edition thread in /vr/
>not even remotely surprised to see this comment

Based Nashposter going over on /crt/, brother

>>5332979
quick rundown on this comment?

>>5332997
To save you the trouble of going to /asp/ and actually asking them, it’s one of their memes/tropes that Kevin Nash was raped in the summer of ‘92. At least to some of the shitposters there.

The fact that an anon left that comment here I found funny since i only ever go to two boards and see the same shit.

I must reflect on my life choices now.

>>5333006
People who would be CRT fags are the right age to have watched 90s pro wrestling during their teens so it's natural the two boards have crossover.

>>5333009
Good point. I feel a bit less depressed now. Thanks for the perspective anon

>>5333015
To go a little further with that sentiment, the best way to watch old pro wrestling would be on a big 4:3 CRT using video ripped from the WWE Network. The network versions of Nitro and RAW are a little over-processed, but they still look great. I don't subscribe to NJPW world but could be interesting to see what video quality they have too.

>>5332107
don't tear your quads carrying your crt around.

tfw gameboy color looks best on a big crt

I have opportunity to embrace the pvmeme. I can get PVM-14N6E for 60 bucks, I live in a slavic shithole so the price is ok, pvms are rare in my country. Is it a good monitor?

>>5333378
>slavic
>shithole
Pick one, you westernized cuck.
If my family wasn't from some remote village where almost nothing of actual value exists, you bet I'd buy all their PVMs and BVMs. Maybe they have some medical ones? They usually suck for having burn in though.
Either way, 60 bucks (dollars, euros) is lots of money for any Slav country except Slovenia maybe. Unless we're talking 60 dinari, grivna or rubel hahaha
Invest in emulation instead, Slavbrother-kun

>>5333401
or, get a big nice Trinitron consumer CRT - for free ofc. PC Monitors are amazing as well, they support crazy resolutions and have VGA-in. Perfect for emulation if you have a decent rig.

>>5333403
>>5333401
I don't have place for a big tv, 14" is maximum for me. PVMs mostly go here for twice as much.

>>5332429
What's the difference between the AM3501R and the XC3717C?

>>5332928
I could say the same thing about your mom.

>>5332928
Too heavy for your Sally hands?

>>5333410
>PVMs mostly go here for twice as much.
Check it out, and if it looks good and is something you want, certainly do so. Be careful however, and certainly inspect it. Bring your own way to test it like a video game system. There are some "240p test" programs that run on just about every video game system. I would be skeptical of something half the "market" price, but nothing is impossible.

picture totally unrelated taken today. There are not enough CRT images on this thread to suit me.

scan lines? more like scam lines!

>>5333503
what game is that?

>>5333687
>what game is that?
Ogre battle 64 running on the Wii VC...right next to a N64 with Ogre battle 64.

>>5333693
does vc allow you to switch the resolution from 240p to 480i?

>>5333698
>does vc allow you to switch the resolution from 240p to 480i?
Not for N64 games. Other older titles can.

>>5333714
what about after its been softmodded?

>>5332429
The best CRT image quality I've ever seen was my old 23" Eizo Flexscan monitor.
It was so clear and sharp I could almost make out every single line when running 2400x1800p on it. And without a doubt could for 1920x1440.
Running 480p with a fake interlacing shader to black out every other line every other frame was beautifully sharp and clean too. Though I actually had to loosen the focus for that to prevent giant, almost painful black lines between scanlines.
I miss that fucker. I miss it badly.

anyone know what game picrel is?

>>5333838
Miss Gizmo

>>5333129
This a PC CRT?

>>5333838
Gimmick!

>>5332964
This is as good as I got mine to work.
The bottom left corner bothered me for a while but after learning to ignore it and play games it stopped bothering me.

Don't aim for perfect geometry, anon, you got your monitor/TV to play games on it, don't lose your main focus.

>>5333856
Given the tiny dot pitch and tight focus, definitely.

>>5333893
I thought so. It looks good.

>>5333751
>what about after its been softmodded?
To my knowledge the N64 titles cannot be changed to 240p within the VC. It has something to do with the internal emulation, but things could have changed in the last few years. It is my understanding that the N64 games are upscaled to 480p internally from the original format as if "remastered" for the Wii.


This has some good info:

https://www.retrorgb.com/wiivsclassic.html


Even when running any 15khz systems, The "scan lines" are minuscule and you have to be a few inches away just to see them if you are looking for them. I don't know what that means....Does having quality S-video connections cause this? Is it because the Tv is from 2004? I don't know, but I am thrilled with how good it looks. This is the largest (25") crt I have had in 20 years. My "First" tv when I moved out of my parents place was an RCA console set and it was HUGE.

480i looks amazing when I don't think it should. I have had this tv 6 months and finally got around to playing with the Wii on it, and I am impressed with the few N64 games on the VC (20 or so) and how good they look. I own an N64, so I never thought about testing out the VC games. Other than the N64 games, any NES/SNES games I play are via homebrew Apps on the system, and they all seem to output at 240p properly.

>>5333415
A lot of differences. The AM3501R is an older generation with a lower screen pitch, fully round tube, and different type of mask. The 35015 looks like an arcade monitor, while the 3717C looks like a giant PC monitor.

I have no technical data to back this up but I felt like the phosphor persistence on the 3501R was longer, thus more phosphor trails and glowing on games with black backgrounds. I enjoy this effect, but it isn't for everyone.

>>5334190
>with a lower screen pitch
*higher screen pitch. Coarser would be the better term. At the same resolution scanlines will not be as pronounced on the 3501R compared to the 3717C (or most of its other Megaview brethren)

>>5333518
name of game?

>>5334202
Super Rio Wor

Jesus, Marie

>>5334207
>Super Rio Wor
Is it that South-American platformer that everyone raves about?

>>5332274
In going to do this exact thing this weekend. What kind of cable /tv? Mine looks a tad blurry

>>5334270
>What kind of cable /tv? Mine looks a tad blurry


>>5333503

Its a 2004 Zenith 25" connected with s-video cables. Personally, I have no desire for RGB mods or cables or any of that and Svideo is high enough quality for me to be happy with it. I have always been a "PC Gamer" first and foremost, but in the last few years PC games have been garbage, so I am getting my old systems out of storage boxes and enjoying them again.

>>5334278
I mostly agree. Most of my consoles are connected through svideo, though I do have rgb scart cables for some.
I had a lot of fun setting up a wii I recently bought.

>>5332287
I think you mean deadie Guerrero in 89

>>5332107

>>5334420
wolfcuck SEETHING

>>5332237
works for me so long as the horizontal resolution is set wide enough, doesn't like going down to 320x240 directly, but can set up a super wide resolution then add scaling to get down to a low horizontal desktop resolution if you want. Made a spreadsheet to generate xrandr commands and modeline https://pastebin.com/6n3WFyLN (spam filter reeeeeee)

>>5332304
For modern PC desktop stuff not really, video / modern games sure. Composite only I presume? Can use one of the cheapo VGA to composite downscaler boxes if you only care about 480i.

>>5333856
>>5333893
Mitsubishi XC3717 C

>>5333921
Correct, VC N64 runs 640x480 internally, most games on real N64 were 320x240 or smaller although some did use 480i too.

The "scanlines" you get with VC in 240p mode for everything except N64 are same as you'd get with real console.

>>5334253
No that's Hugo

>$48
Worth it?

>>5335097
if you can test it in person then yeah

I recently picked up a free CRT PC monitor to use for DOS games, but it has some splotches on the glass which won't come off. I assume it's the result of damage to an anti-glare coating or something. It's visible even when the monitor is turned on, and it's kind of annoying. Any suggestions?

>>5335394
It's a rebrand of an NEC graphic design monitor. Ignore all guides about taking the coating off, they won't work on this monitor and you will end up ruining it.

Leave it be. And play some 120hz fps like it was meant to be used.

>>5335394
>>5335440
I've used mineral spirits and hard scrubbing to remove an anti-glare coating, but I mean HARD scrubbing

>>5335445
I've done it as well and ending up putting micro-scratches all over the front of my very nice NEC monitor, and I wish I had not done it. Whatever NEC sprayed on these things is way stronger than the stuff Sony used.

>>5335097
It's worth double that. Get it, or regret it.

>>5335440
>>5335450
That's too bad. I'll probably just look for a different one then, since like I said it's rather annoying. It's a shame because this monitor is in pretty good shape otherwise.

>>5335450
>Whatever NEC sprayed on these things is way stronger than the stuff Sony used.
Sony used a wide sheet of custom window tint (basically). NEC may have sprayed theirs on. Cerium oxide on a buffer would probably take the anti-glare coat off after a few months of work. I am not at all suggesting this to be a good idea either, because it is not, but it would probably work.

>>5332287
Based

>>5332304
have this color correction

>>5335514
I'd prefer it somewhere between the two images colorwise, absolutely without the drastic brightness increase of yours that ruins the detail/texture on bright sections and brightens blacks like mad.

>>5335518
You're right, the last one was really blown out.

Anybody here use a Raspberry Pi to run 240p on a CRT via composite? I've looked at a few guides but I want a few more opinions on how good/accurate it looks. I'm also curious how it deals with resolution switching for games that switch between 240p and 480i.

>>5334873
>>5333129
Do you set the monitor to native GB resolution for this, or what settings do you use?

>>5335826
That's line doubled. Probably a custom modeline of 320x288, 2x2 GB/C's res. Likely at 120Hz to push it over the common 29kHz minimum of PC monitors.

How can I figure out what resolutions a consumer TV supports if it's not listed in the manual? Or, I suppose more to the point, is progressive scan even possible through composite? The TV has no component or s-video.

The make/model is Broksonic SC-975, just in case anyone happens to know. I don't have it in hand right now, doing research before buying.

>>5336049
If a CRT only has composite, it's definitely 240p/480i only.

>>5336049
composite and s-video can not display 480p. component is needed for that but component itself does not indicate a set being 480p. also, 480p sets are very rare, you'll find a 1080i set if it's hd.

>>5336083
>also, 480p sets are very rare
I would go as far as to say that they don't even exist apart from pro monitors. Every EDTV I've ever seen has been a flatscreen.

>>5336062
>>5336083
Got it, so definitely not 480p, but it would likely support both 480i and 240p? I'm still wrapping my head around TV standards, so I appreciate the help and apologize if I sound like an idiot.

>>5336087
>I would go as far as to say that they don't even exist apart from pro monitors
Trinitrons do it

>>5335206
>>5335457
Even if the only consoles I own is a PS2?
Can you even safely connect a PC to these things?
I have zero knowledge on these BNC cables.

>>5336125
240p for all intents and purposes is 480i. they are the same signal.
>>5336143
yes, as long as you can see it working. preferably with a bright image to see wear on the tube. I would also go as far as to shine a bright flashlight onto the tube while off and visually inspect it for burn in that way.

>>5336193
>240p for all intents and purposes is 480i. they are the same signal.
Oh, I had no idea. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

>>5336218
to put it simply, 240p is a hack where you double shot each line instead of alternating, hence why "scanlines" are a thing on some displays. those would be the alternate field in 480i.

>>5335925
no need, he is on a unit that can handle 15khz,

>>5333129
>>5335826
since the game boy is an LCD screen, wouldnt this look better on a giant lcd or OLED?

>>5336227
240p is just a normal non-interlaced signal. 480i is the "hack".

>>5336312
nothing looks good on an LCD

>>5336331
Gameboy is an lcd….
or a dotmatrix, whatever the hell that means

>>5336341
coincidentally the gameboy looks like shit, but it was all we had at the time.

Can you go component to bnc using an rca adapter?

>white whale set shows up on ebay
>wants 2.3k for it

What the fuck is wrong with people. Fuck I'm desperate

>>5336384
>all we had at the time
yeah haha

>>5336437
I meant lcd panels of the nature, not the gameboy itself.

>>5336437

Fuck the gamegear, was pretty garbage. The neo geo pocket was a real travesty though. Great display, that fantastic microswitched pad, color, and backed by one of the best developers at the time. It had so many great fucking games. And no one bought it

>>5336312
>wouldnt this look better on a giant lcd or OLED?
It wouldn't inherently look better. It wouldn't even look "as intended".meme unless you left it at native resolution, which is likely to be incredibly tiny unless you'd get a dedicated low DPI/resolution screen for it.

Gameboy color's screen looked like ass though. There's no reason to attempt to recreate it, or even use the same technology.
The only effects games used that were inherent to its quirks were flickering things to be naturally blended by its awful persistence/motionblur. Most things just straight on and off that looks fine on modern monitors and CRTs alike. Only one example that actually requires it for clarity is a shmup that I don't remember the name of.

>>5336440
I don't think the NGP was even available for purchase of my part of the US. I only ever saw its name on rom sites as a kid, and I spent tons of time in the video game sections of stores when my mom took me shopping so I would have seen them at some point.

>>5336432
white whale?

>>5336396
no, you need to transcode the signal somehow

https://digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/kdva5.asp

>>5336396
Yes, if your display can take it.

>>5336482
A reference to Moby Dick. It means it's an elusive/rare CRT that anon has been hunting for a long time with no luck because it very rarely ever shows up anywhere.

>>5336482
Just an expression that refers to something you chase after but never obtain. Coined from Moby Dick

In this case there's a 29" NEC multisync up on eBay. It's one of the best crts out there, ridiculous amount of input options, can do 480p, great panel quality. I've been searching for one for years

>>5336432
>>5336507
Honestly 2.3k doesn't seem that bad for something like that.

>>5336440
>The neo geo pocket was a real travesty though. Great display, that fantastic microswitched pad, color, and backed by one of the best developers at the time. It had so many great fucking games. And no one bought it

NGPC is pretty damn amazing. If you don't mind non backlit, it's one of the best handheld systems I've played. There isn't a ton of software for it, but what there is is very good. If SNK could have properly marketed it and maybe got the price point down, this thing would have been a real show stopper.

Here's an often posted pic to keep this crt related.

>>5336518
I would agree if it's in particularly good condition. At that point it's such a rare unit that you pay what you have to.

>>5336507
>multisync

what is the diff b/w multisync and multiscan?

Are the JVC D series sets worth picking up or should I wait for something better to turn up?

>>5336452
>>5336331
>>5336341
can someone explain to me what the "dot matrix" on the original Gameboy is?

>>5335450
>ending up putting micro-scratches all over the front of my very nice NEC monitor
I did the same thing to a Samsung Syncmaster, but the microscratches are only noticeable in two small locations where I scrubbed a bit too hard. I plan on buying a bottle of glass polishing compound and some glass polishing pads soon to smooth things out.

>>5336603
They're the same thing, different manufacturers just used different names.

>>5335394
take plastic housing off of front of monitor, mix some mineral oil with some starch until it gets pasty and apply it to the front with a paint brush, leave on overnight, it will make the surface gummy and easily removable. use spirits,alcohol or acetone to clean up after.

You're welcome

anyone know what the monitor is in this pic?

>>5336660
>anyone know what the monitor is in this pic?
looks like a GDM fw900, or one of the HP or Sun branded variations.

>>5336660
Looks like a ViewSonic

>>5336518
I remember seeing a Sony GVM-1311, a rare 14" multiformat going for nearly $2000. The same place that was selling it had a working 29" Mitsubishi monitor that could take just about any input for $500. Sometimes even the most blatant scalpers don't understand what they're selling.

Do arcade monitors have higher dot pitch than CRTVs or do they have the same phosphor density?

>>5336518
No, it is still an insane rip-off. They are not quite that rare yet and the performance for /vr/ purposes could be approximated by something like putting a tri-sync arcade monitor in a wooden casing for way less than 2.3k

>>5336779
Just depends. Some of them do, some of them don't.

>>5336615
It's the type of display, so named because every pixel is a square "dot" on the screen, arranged in rows and columns. A matrix of dots, if you will.

>>5336803
is it a different type of lcd? I have only used dotmatrix used regarding printers

>>5336854
>heard dotmatrix used*

>>5335808
It doesn't handle switching, gotta choose on boot. AFAIK only does 320x240 so for emulation of 256x240 and similar consoles you're gonna get some scaling issues, but eh, it's composite anyway.

>>5336312
GB/GBC without line doubling isn't 15kHz, it'd be about 9.8kHz, line doubling and dropping framerate down to 50Hz can get to 15kHz for a TV/SD monitor but then you're dropping frames, line doubling and frame doubling to 288p120 works nicely on a PC monitor.

>>5336854
It's like the kind of LCD you see on a graphing calculator. Basically, it's achieving greyscale by sending more or less power to each dot to make them darker or lighter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-matrix_display

>>5336994
I was assuming this was played through the super Gameboy or the gamecube Gameboy player

>>5336854
most LCDs are dot matrix, with pixels as opposed to having separate shaped segments like a game&watch

>lmao dude why are you still using those ugly boxes?
>LCD technology has come a long way since 2005

>>5336656
I'll give it a shot, thanks.

>>5337190
Kek at those vivid black levels.

I bought my 13" BVM for $60 shipped because they didn't think it worked when they turned it on and saw no change to the picture. Good thing e-cyclers don't have bnc adapters. Seriously, black levels on CRT are not a meme.

>>5337210
if that doesn't work then proceed to harsher and harsher solvent I would go:

mineral oil + starch paste

mineral spirits + starch paste

acetone + starch paste

lacquer thinner + starch paste

gasoline jelly

in that order, until the fucker comes off, be careful with the mineral oil as it can be very messy

>>5337223
The problem is that they're pretty light sensitive so you have to turn off all the lights.

>>5336779
in my experience arcades use the lowest quality tubes. people assume they are better because of rgb input but you have to remember 100s of these were pumped out in particleboard boxes every week. quality was not a concern

>>5337190
>>5337223
>staring at an entirely blurry picture because when there are black parts it's slightly darker than on a LCD

>>5337373
Is this bait?
Look at that LCD again. It's disgusting.

>not enjoying the free anti-aliasing and texture smoothing of the glorious cathodic ray device

I have a monitor without any source to hook it up to. When powering it on the power led comes on, the panel buttons light up and I can hear the tell-tale static and the twang of the degaus coil. However the screen doesn't light up or react at all. No white flash turning it on or off, the screen doesn't brighten at all etc

Is that a bad sign? I have no way of hooking anything up to it yet to test

>>5338171
It's not a good sign at least.
I've seen a few sets that have absolutely no "No input" message on the screen at all and that block access to menus and anything at all until something is passed through them. That is rare as heck though.
Might still work, quite likely broken in some way.

>>5338180
It's a character display monitor. It has no buttons for accessing menus at all, just straight up adjustments knobs on the side for h and v size etc

It's a nice little monitor, hope it's good or at least repairable

>>5338195
You didn't actually buy that CPD for 150 bucks did you?

>>5338203
No

...I haggled him down to 100

>>5338207
Oh well, I guess a $100 doorstop is slightly preferable to a $150 one...

>>5338171
My PVM-1344Q (which is in perfect condition, I'm not posting because this is a problem) is the same; aside from the degaussing sound and static crackle you can't tell whether it's on at all unless you pass it a signal or turn on the OSD. I wouldn't worry too much yet.

>>5338209
Well I have an MSX on the way and was hoping to use it with that. I didn't buy it just cause. I was just expecting it to work

>>5338195
Turn the brightness up all the way up. You should see zigzag retrace lines if the tube is working.

Not going to help the totally unsuitable inputs though. Even if it works it's useless for 99% of retro gaming.

>>5338212
You need to consider that these things are very old. It's not ever guaranteed that they'll work.
In the meantime, post pictures, I want to see it.
>>5338213
>Not going to help the totally unsuitable inputs though. Even if it works it's useless for 99% of retro gaming.
No input is useless with the right adapter or transcoder.

>>5338216
An 8/16 colour TTL RGB one has limited application anon, and that's as positive as I can put it.

>>5338216
>In the meantime, post pictures, I want to see it.
This please this. I come here to vicariously enjoy CRTs I currently cannot have through others' posts. And photos taken personally by the posters here are the best way to do that.

>>5338224
It has an 'analog rgb' switch and indication light. I'm holding out hope that means it might do more than meets the eye

>>5338235
Not him, but here's my 1344Q

>>5338171
Leave it on for 10 minutes, then turn it off. You should see a flash.

>>5338279
All the bright parts have strong ringing around them in that image. It's kind of funny looking.

>>5338326
My camera was a little bit out of focus, I think.

Should I go through the trouble of making a SCART to BNC breakout cable for RGB or should I just use component for my playstation?
Is there even a real difference between RGB and Component?

>>5337224
>>5336656
>>5337210
Take some pics and document the process when you finally give it a go

>>5338392
>Is there even a real difference between RGB and Component?
None, provided the trancoding is done properly.

>>5338392
PS2? Just use component. PS1? Doesn't have component, would need to use dat RGB (or s-video/composite pleb)

>>5338494
there is some way to use a breakout cable on the ps1 without rigging up a scart or rgb cable, it involves using an svideo adapter that has a female connector on it, I don't know the specifics tho

>>5333787
F980?

>>5338518
Pretend the composite video cable is component. Adaptor is SCPH-10130.

>>5337223
Why did you buy it if it was advertised as broken? Did you know it would work or were you expecting to use it for parts or were you expecting to fix it up?

>>5337315
You can adjust the monitor to the light levels of the room it's in. BVM do like a bit darker room but an average household light level isn't really an issue.

>>5337373
Blurry... right. I'll bite the bait. If you have proper cabling and even do basic adjustments, they are not blurry at all. I don't like to play NES on mine because it looks too much like playing on a computer screen. These, even the SD ones are more crisp than you would imagine. I'm not trolling either, they really aren't blurry at all.

>>5338570
I took a chance because I figured the seller just didn't know what they were looking at. I got a $300-500 monitor for $60 because it was worth the risk. If it had been truly junk, I could have sold the RGB board out of it for $60 so it was a calculated risk. Reading the description the seller said the power light came on but nothing appeared on the screen. PVM/BVM don't have a tv tuner so you don't see the tv "static" as you would on a consumer set. You just don't see anything on the screen but black.

>>5333787
Best dot pitch I could find for Eizo monitors is 0.23. given a quoted active display height of 300mm for 21" (they never made a 23) that would allow it to resolve just over 1300 lines maximum.

tl;dr: your nostalgia glasses need a new prescription.

I bought a pvmeme but composite only shows a black and white image. The "blue only" option displays the blue color tho.
Should I buy a component cable and try with that?

>>5338647
What system?
Modded?

>>5338652
chipped ps2

>>5338656
If you're playing NTSC games on a PAL console (or vice versa) the subcarrier is probably too far out of spec to allow a colour image.

Yes definitely get a component cable. Why would you want to use composhite on a PVM anyhow? Bit of a waste.

>>5338669
I did try a game that lets me select pal or ntsc on startup but both were still black and white.
I guess I'm gonna try buying a component cable.

>>5338669
>>5338674
Update, component works full color and looks great but I have another problem now.
The screen looks a bit tiny and not fullscreen, like if you played 16:9 content on a 4:3 screen.
PS2 says it's displaying 4:3 and all the buttons I press do nothing.

>>5338537
That sounds about right. Lost the info on it and had to get rid of it for space and other issues.
The red channel completely went out regardless of connector (BNC and VGA) in the end. Slightly before that the whole thing started whining absurdly loud, and anything below 70Hz or above 50Hz would shake and warp like mad. After only 3 months of use in a dry and relatively cool environment at that. A real shame, because it was fucking beautiful.

>>5338738
Look at the service manual of your pvmeme and adjust accordingly. If you have an "overscan" option you could set it up to be the resolution you want on the ps2 and the non overscan option for other systems.

>>5338812
The only buttons it has. Tried them all but nothing changes.

>>5338828
Can't find the manual online, image looks like this.
I hope it's not one a 16:9 mode set in one of those hidden service menus.

>>5338594
>Best dot pitch I could find for Eizo monitors is 0.23
it's 0.199

>resolve just over 1300 lines maximum
chroma resolution.

Rape victim in Op’s Image

>>5338828
size adjustments for that will be potentiometers inside.

>>5338862
I have to open it up?

>>5338837
>chroma resolution.
going to need a little more bro

>>5338952
Resolution on a shadow mask isn't as easy as just dividing the total screen size by dot pitch. Each dot contributes to the total resolution (luminance), while only 1/3rd of the dots contribute to their respective color/chroma channel resolution.
That's how you can still read black/white (but not colored) text on a low-pitch monitor. Think about it.

Welp, the monitor seems to be stuck on a dumb 16:9 mode. There is no online manual and I think you could only change it with a remote I don't have so rip.
It still looks fantastic which is a shame.

>>5338972
...so get the remote. Not "rip," just solve the problem.

>>5338972
Adjust the pots with a screwdriver

>>5332107
Why is the OP a rape victim

>>5334420
Assblasted wolfcuck

>>5339021
It probably doesn't exist anymore

>>5339046
Gonna try that tomorrow. I hope it's really dumb and that APT thing solves it.

>>5339139
What's the make and model?

>>5339159
Ikegami TM10-16R

>>5339179
Well shit, I guess you're right. You've got an obscure monitor on your hands. I tried to locate a manual or remote for you, but most of the search results just bring up its replacement, the TM10-17RA. No good info to be found. Best of luck to you, anon.

>>5338870
You really need to find and study the manual. Tell us the model if you want spoonfed as I and probably anyone who is willing to help has no fucking clue what model it is.

>>5339230
>>5339179

>>5339231
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/871224/Ikegami-Tm14-80rh.html?page=15#manual

make a remote using the connector that that specifies. Let someone else confirm, but it looks like you need to ground pin 10 to pin 1, or if it's grounded, unground it. The remote is probably literally switches that do this. It's a parallel port connector.

Please read this manual and try to understand it. If you don't understand something ask, but RTFM.

>>5339240
That's a completely different model nigga

>>5339243
No shit. Is the port the same? It is probably pinned the same.

>>5339246
It's different.
I think the other anon was right and I just need to adjust a pot to change the size.
I'm gonna try that tomorrow.

>>5339248
Honestly it looks like your ps2 is in 16:9. You did switch it in there right?

>>5339250
>>5338836

>>5339251
Yes, now would be a time to double check because it looks like it's in 16:9. Try hooking something else to it, maybe the ps2 is fucky though unlikely.

>>5338837
>0.199
Okay. Eizo's specification for the F980 does give a horizontal mask resolution of 0.20mm for a 402mm active area. Crunching those numbers results in a horizontal pixel resolution capability of 2010.

Quite how you're bettering those figures by 40% given it uses a dot triad mask is anyone's guess. Not to mention that at 2048x1536@85hz it's already using a 388mhz dot clock and the highest available from RAMDACs was 400mhz. That must have been an extremely flickery display if you were lowering the vsync enough to keep the overall dot clock in spec.

Don't get me wrong the F980 is a GOAT display but let's not gild the lily here.

>>5338971
That's what I thought it was and it's a little misleading to quote a resolution that way without specifying it beforehand.

Maybe i need to see what my old PC monitor can do if I detach the R and B lines and run 2048x1536 pure green.

>>5339420
It's called "moving the goalposts" anon

Welcome to 4chan

>>5338787
Have you considered that part of the reason it crapped out so soon may have been the fact you were pushing it way past its capabilities?

What a waste of a good monitor (when used within its generous specs).

>>5339436
Certainly not. I mostly kept it at 1280x960p60 for compatibility and motion's sake, like to match what my computer could feasibly output guaranteed without framedrops in modern games of the time. Ocassionally 480p with shaders as stated.
Rarely ever was it pushed above 60kHz. And its very generous specs went up to something crazy like 153kHz or so.
It was only at 2400x1800p60 for about 20 minutes, 1920x1440p60 for about 2 hours total spread about, all within the first month. Though it was fun to show off, novelty of things like that wear off kind of quickly, especially since CRTs scale things fine from almost any resolution.

>>5339386
Yeah it flickered quite a bit, though not enough to cause me headaches. Glorious for motion, that.
>>5339420
I meant to point out how sharp and tight the beam focus was, not to say it was 100% useable there. Because that tight focus was useful for clarity even on lower resolutions. To the point where scanlines were clearly discernible at any resolution below, and almost including 1920x1440.
Sorry for the confusion there.

>>5339457
I tried it with only the green gun running (although I'm not sure this would even make a difference, I just suppose using -only- green would mean there is absolutely no interference or splash energy coming from B and R).

Maybe I could fool myself into thinking it looks better. With only one color you don't have to worry about misconvergence interfering with discernible detail. I know some of those in the CRT projector hobby managed to get 1080p visible on the single green on some monitors that it was technically out of spec for but couldn't full resolve it with all three running.

Running 2048x1536 sometimes I fool myself into thinking it's sharper than 1600x1200, even though the screen pitch would say that anything over 1600x1200 is past the point of placebo.

good to see nashetty being able to sit right after that fateful summer

This is probably sacrilegious but I've been using a free old JVC with a Fire Stick. The thing is some old shows on streaming services are stretched and end up being 4:3 while others get smashed to hell.

I've also hooked up my PC to emulate n64 games on it since I don't have any of my /vr/ consoles with me at uni.

>>5338591
Even when they're not blurry, they're very low resolution and eye-straining.

>>5339520
>This is probably sacrilegious
>watching TV on a TV is sacrilegious
wdhmbt?

>>5339569
I didn't really explain that well. I just thought the incorrect aspect ratio on the TV would piss people off.

Pic is of a big JVC I've got back home hooked up to a 360.

>>5339520
how did you hook this up?

>>5339579
One of these adapters. I have the rca cables running to underneath my desk so I can easily switch between the fire TV and connecting it to my Switch or PC.

Are pvm/bvm worth getting? Or am I better off with a cosumer crt like jvc l'art?

>>5339589
Oof, I tried this and it looked awful on every TV i've tried it on. Resolution is locked to 1280x720. I also tried one that has an S-Video as well. It was locked at 1080...
Still trying to find a solution for getting video to my Sony PVM 8040...

>>5339848
>Still trying to find a solution for getting video to my Sony PVM 8040...
Blu-Ray player with component output? You should be able to set it up to output 480i and most made in the past 10 years will support both online and LAN streaming.

>>5339589
>HDMI to AV upscaler
wtf am I reading?

>>5339932
It is far worse than you can imagine. Worst item you can ever recommend is this >>5339589

Hot sauce in anus is better than those white box fucks.

>>5339848
>Still trying to find a solution for getting video to my Sony PVM 8040...
PS3

>>5339474
>even though the screen pitch would say that anything over 1600x1200 is past the point of placebo.
read
>>5338971

>>5336507
Hang in there and be patient, anon. With some waiting and a little luck, you can find some amazing stuff for decent prices.

Having petty cash and vacation days set aside to go and chase your white whales definitely helps though.

>>5336518
>Honestly 2.3k doesn't seem that bad for something like that.
I saw an XP29 get asked for for 1.7k 6 months ago on eBay and watched a XM29 go for $800 on Craigslist in Maine last year.

2.3k is absolutely not worth it even for such a rare set.

anyone know what the monitor is in this pic?

asking for a friend

>>5336660
What's going on there?

>>5340372
cops show

I think I just hit a small jackpot

>thought it wouldn't amount to much but tried reaching out to local broadcast studios for old stock
>wasn't having much luck until some super friendly guy reached out
>told me they had some old stuff in storage and that I could just straight up have them if I was willing to drive down to the studio and pick 'em up. Just 30 minutes down the road
>went down during lunch today
>two PVM 14m4u's

I'm still at work and not sure if they even work just yet, but the cases look pretty good. I'll try them out when I get home

So take that as a lesson that there's no harm in reaching out to these sorts of places. You never know

>>5340223
But you've still got the same number of dot triads. If you run only one of them you may squeeze out a bit more sharpness but you're still limited by the screen pitch.

For instance if you have a
>19" screen (100% visible for hypothesis sake)
>dot pitch .20mm
The screen would be 386.08mm across. With each triad taking up .20mm that would give you 1930.4 separate triad groups on each line.

If you tried to show a test pattern of alternating colors of RGB I think you should be able to count the full 1930 pixels. In an abstract scenario not taking other things like refresh rate or interference into account, that is.

If you try to display a resolution higher than this pixels will be smudged together because there are not enough triads to resolve the number of pixels you're trying to paint on the screen. Even if the electron guns and other monitor circuitry are up to the task and sync to the resolution.

Showing only a single color wouldn't change any of this. Nor would showing only black and white alternating pixels. Or is this what you're actually calling chroma resolution? Because in reality most non-test images would have smearing between neighboring similar shaded pixels at the limit of the dot pitch.

>>5340751
Black and white stripes with moire artifacts will get more resolution than dot pitch. TVL spec doesn't care what colour or distortion you get.

>>5340853
>TVL spec doesn't care what colour or distortion you get.
Well it's dependent on a threshold contrast so yes actually it does.

>>5339520
Not sacreligious at all, damn good use. Be sure to check out some anime on dvd if you're into that. The old 4:3 ones look really comfy on a crt.

>>5339786
Honestly at this point I don't believe they are worth getting unless you can get one for a couple hundred bucks for a 20" or maybe a 13" if you're using it on a desk. Don't get me wrong, they look good but if I'm completely honest I don't think the extra cost is worth it. I have a 20" PVM, and 13" BVM and I play the most on a big consumer trinitron and a big consumer sharp that I RGB modded.

>>5340665
Cool, I'm happy for you anon, that's a good score!

>>5340860
You're still getting more contrast resolution even with the colour artifacts near dot pitch.

>>5340861
That CRT case looks hella nifty.

>>5340861
I love prison CRTs. I wish there were more of them in circulation WITH svideo. I keep thinking about getting one and RGB modding it, but I don't feel like the hassle of all the other mods that are involved.

>>5340751
Try not to think of dot triads as discrete pixels. They aren't.
See pic related, note how each dot is part of at least six triangular triads, even more if you count horizontal/diagonal linear groups as triads. Your eyes don't see individual dots and don't care which triad makes up one white "pixel".

Each dot simply makes a part of the screen darker or brighter, regardless of its color, which makes the apparent contrast/luminance resolution much higher. Going with your example, a 19" screen with 0.2mm dot pitch:
the screen has 289.56 / (.5 * (.2 / cos 30)) = ~2508 lines of dots.
each line consists of 386.08 / (.2 / 1.5) = ~2896 dots.
If you only display one primary color, the resolution drops to your 1930 dot figure.

>>5340751
>>5340882
A similar concept is LCD subpixel rendering, which effectively triples the horizontal resolution. In this case however, each sub-pixel is directly addressable.

>>5340882
Not him but I'd like to input that the concept you're referring to is much like sub-pixel colored font rendering. Where it comes off roughly black and white as long as it's too small for the eyes to see individual colors. Even when the sides are biased toward single colors like red and blue in RGB configuration for example.
But it's done naturally by the screen rather than attempting to figure out the precise positioning in software.

It's also kind of funny that each dot can light up partially on one side, giving it sub-dot positioning. Doesn't really matter because beam focus is pretty much never small enough to light up LESS than a single dot. But still interesting.

Why did CRT TVs and even some PVMs have such a small resolution compared to SVGA PC monitors at the time?
Why were consumer sets still using composite when we already had VGA?

>>5340914
Most pro monitors were made with the use of broadcast equipment in mind, which typically meant using 240p-only standards. Pic related is a massive exception. In addition to that, graphical monitors that allowed straightforward PC usage had multiformat capabilities as far back as the 80s.

As for the latter, I've never seen anyone have a concrete answer as to why RGB never showed up on American consumer sets. However, SCART's ubiquity in Europe could be due to France legally mandating that every TV sold have it.

i'm playing this right now

Not sure if this is the place to ask, but if I wanted to watch standard definition anime on a crt, would I best be served by 240p or 480i?

>>5340956
What game and system is that? I really like the 2x2 scaling of assets or output. Is that a natural part of the game and system, or personal user settings in some way?

>>5340956
more dots

>>5340963
prince of persia 2 on dos. no emulation or scaling, 320x200 is naturally doublescanned to 400p.

>>5340969
Very nice. I completely forgot about that era of DOS graphics.
It's interesting how they're output as rectangles, albeit very soft rectangles, rather than just timed sections of a scanline.
And it really shows in the design, particularly in the rope of the bridge. Nothing is attempting anything realistic with blending or scanline texture at all, it lends itself well to rectangle abstraction. That's the sort of style that faggy "indie" games aim for, but actually good.

Is there any way to force 200p for comparison's sake? Or 240p letterboxed, more likely. Like with a scaler box set to point/nearest.

>shaders to emulate 240p
>Blargg NTSC filter to emulate NTSC artifacts
>perfect smooth scrolling
>run-ahead to remove all latency
>on a common PC CRT
>with no special hardware or drivers
all that's left is to play the games

>>5341008
That's cool and all, but running scanline shaders on a real CRT seems blasphemous to me. I would just settle for 480p or whatever the lowest resolution the monitor supports. The idea of fake scan lines on a monitor that can produce real ones just seems wrong, but hey, I'm probably just being autistic. I'm sure your set up looks great

>>5340994
You'd have to use dosbox either displaying 400p with black lines, or unscaled with a custom 200p resolution. I don't think there's any way to avoid doublescanning on a real vga card.

>>5341026
more dots

>>5341026
You can pump out 240p over standard VGA with normal drivers by using 120Hz, same horizontal sync rate as 480p60. Kind of ruins the glorious low persistence strobe motion, but for the sake of still comparison that would work fine.
BFI might fix that motion issue. But it comes with drastically reducing brightness of course, and pumping out higher brightness is a terrible idea for longevity.

>>5341008
>all latency
It removes internal latency of the game, like buffering both for inputs and outputs. But not absolutely all. Chances are you still have at least 2 frames from buffering on the graphics card for standard output.
Though yes, it certainly feels like all. When you get it that fucking low it's genuinely negligible.

>>5341029
tridots are so much nicer for retro games imo, especially pc.

>>5340882
According to this
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a406955.pdf

The best that Eizo monitor could resolve was 1600x1200. I don't know what fuzzy math you are using to claim higher (I think you're counting the same triad elements twice on a test that requires every single one of them to be brought to bear to display one pixel a piece).

>Try not to think of dot triads as discrete pixels.
They are and they aren't. When you are looking at the maximum resolvable image detail you're never going to be able to go past the number of possible pixels (as in the digital pixels of the image you're trying to display) that could be displayed by the number of dot triads covering the screen. You may be able to fudge things a bit by not using the entire screen surface area and thus counting an unequal number of each color of triad, but that is a value no one cares about or quotes.

>>5341029
another pic. what monitor are you using? mine is a Magnavox 14" CM2099DUO1. dot pitch is 0.28mm, nice and chonky.

>>5340961
480i by far. Not even a discussion.

But since anime does not have a native resolution you really just want to go with the highest resolution you can get away with. This way you can apply many enhancements to get the best picture quality.

>>5341078
Olivetti DSM 28-143 PS, also 14" 0.28mm.
I have a 0.39mm tube too which works really well for 200/240p, but its colors are wonky.

>>5339520
>>5339576
>>5339589
Played Metal Slug earlier today. Luckily the Arcade Archives releases on Switch has the option to stretch the image to whatever scale you want.

>>5341085
neat, I think our monitors are actually the same or very similar but just different brandings. yours is definitely in better shape than mine. It has some windows 9x burn in. I'd like to get a tube with a bigger pitch but I'm very happy with this one nonetheless.

>>5341058
I'm terrible at explaining things, sorry. What I'm trying to say is that each dot, regardless of color, contributes to the apparent resolution. No dot is individually adressable, and not every pixel maps exactly to a dot triad. But you can have pixels in-between two triads, and your eyes can still discern them. This doesn't work in all cases, eg, fine pixel patterns will produce either a uniform blend of colors or interference (moiré) patterns.

>>5341097
Actually I believe this olivetti is a rebrand of Philips/magnavox CM0200. So yes, they might be identical or at least share the same tube. Does yours have a 50khz horizontal sync rate too? (768p60)

>>5341115
yes it does. here's a pic of the picture tube, maybe you can check yours. I have some other pics of the interior as well if you want.

>>5341058
>The best that Eizo monitor could resolve was 1600x1200.
I was in error here, looking deeper in that document it does clarify that the maximum visible resolution is 2048x1563. And there is a passage about 2048 x 2560 and the Lmax that is possibly related to what you are describing.

>>5340872
Unfortunatly the one I have can't be rgb modded (at least without adding some kind of transcoder). I haven't done so yet, but I should be able to mod it to include composite and component. I'm not sure on s-video. RF only kind of sucks, but this thing actually looks decent due to its size. Over the air television looks pretty good on it too. I was really surprised that it had a built in digital tuner, but this was a thing as crt were used in prisons long after lcd were common.

>>5341058
>an unequal number of each color of triad
*dot
instead of triad

>>5341093
>Played Metal Slug earlier today.
Hahahah, NICE. I too played some Metal Slug. I was using the Wii, and HOLY SHIT Do I hate the control scheme on both the Wii game and the Virtual console. The 10th aniversary game seems to ONLY use the wii mote and the VC can use the classic controller, but the buttons are not configurable from what I have tried.

>>5341257
>I haven't done so yet, but I should be able to mod it to include composite and component. I'm not sure on s-video. RF only kind of sucks, but this thing actually looks decent due to its size.
It sucks that you couldn't add RGB, but also not surprising based on its use as an "Institutional tv". Would it be easier to find an identical TV for free citizens and just swap out the shells? A bad-ass clear 14" tv with s-video and potentially RGB would make for a great desktop unit.

>>5341347
>but the buttons are not configurable from what I have tried
Isn't there a homebrew plugin/program/etc for that? I'm almost definitely sure there is at least one for the Wii in general, but whether it or they work on VC is the real question.

>>5341014
>I would just settle for 480p or whatever the lowest resolution the monitor supports.
The monitor supports 240p120, and flipping back and forth between shaders and real 240p looks 90% identical. But 240p120 introduces unpleasant ghosting, and requires a custom modeline.

All scanline are at the basic level are the black space left between lines drawn on the screen. With shaders you can emulate the correct size of these lines down to a very fine level.

The biggest drawback to using shaders instead of real 240p on a PC CRT monitor is a dimmer image. With real 240p each line gets a share of brightness, but with shaders each line gets the amount of brightness that would have gone to a higher resolution, and an amount of light equal to the "missing" black lines is thrown away. To compensate for this I set my monitor to high mode, which will usually make for a too bright image but in this case it is canceled out. But not too many PC monitors support this.

>>5341365
If you're up for sacrificing brightness and boosting it, then use BFI on 240p120. Assuming you don't get framedrops at all, that would give you 240p scanlines with proper low persistence strobe motion.
You could also just black out every other line on 480p60 with an automatic interlace detecting shader, that would alternate lines if >240 lines are detected in the output. In RetroArch at least. That looks pretty neat, assuming you have brightness configured to have flat black blacks.

I don't like boosting brightness though. Wearing things out worries me. Probably an unfounded worry but still.

Picked up a Trinitron (KV-20S100) a little while back, using my Wii via component for emulators in 240p lands a pretty sexy picture.

Problem is, the thing doesn't have a single s-video port on it...

Combing through Google has proven fruitless, at least for me, does anyone know if you can solder an s-video port onto the existing boards inside of these?

I imagine along with getting a port plumbed in correctly, the TVs firmware would need to be reflashed to add an extra "Video" channel for it, unless I replace one of the composite ins (which I wouldn't miss)

Thoughts? Any experience with modding new inputs into TVs in general? If I could actually figure this out, the next goal would be a SCART or VGA port...

Pic related, took it the other day to explain scanlines to a friend

Did anyone here happen to download this video? I has been taken down from youtube.

>>5341390
>If you're up for sacrificing brightness and boosting it, then use BFI on 240p120.
I've tried it, it is completely unusable.

>>5340914

Broadcasts and VHS tapes were 480i60 or 576i50 naturally. Video games were either 480/576i or 240/288p. Either way, 15kHz was the gold standard for both NTSC and PAL analog signals, producing consumer TVs and production equipment with any other rate would've been useless overhead. The exception is the small window of EDTV sets, 31kHz instead I believe? For 480p, although I think most if not all were dual 15kHz/31kHz. Either way, with analog signals, you don't get a lot of options, especially considering the analog standards had to support sets ranging on the order of decades.

>>5341410
I too found it completely unusable, on a secondary monitor, or with any secondary monitor plugged in at all. Single primary worked though, with a single doubled frame roughly once or twice per hour.
However, 480p60 with that automatic interlacing shader gave much better results, and killed the need for switching resolutions with interlaced games. That's my personal preference when it comes to emulation and CRT monitors.

>>5340924
To answer the RGB question, VHS tapes and broadcast TV were all produced as composite analog signals. For games, most non-composited signals were s-video, and most consumer grade 15kHz tubes wouldn't have seen an appreciable difference between s-video and RGB except maybe more color vibrancy. As for picture quality, once you get past s-video, the main impediment to picture clarity is color bleed and misalignment in the actual tube, you've got full resolution luma and chroma without crosstalk at that point.

Like you said, SCART was only ubiquitous due to regulation. For the average consumer of plain old TVs, anything past s-video is entirely useless.

>>5341347
>It sucks that you couldn't add RGB, but also not surprising based on its use as an "Institutional tv". Would it be easier to find an identical TV for free citizens and just swap out the shells? A bad-ass clear 14" tv with s-video and potentially RGB would make for a great desktop unit.

I've not found one that I can swap. I found a similar civillian model, but it also can't be rgb modded. I did steal the speaker out of it and mod it into the prison one. It had headphone audio only. I have it to where you can listen to the speaker by default and also when you plug the headphones in, it mutes the tv's speakers. It was pretty easy to put a speaker in, just a matter of probing and finding where the audio needed to go. The board had a place for a speaker just it wasn't populated. It's kind of the same situation with the other video options, but having no service manual makes it a bit tedious.

>>5341357
>sn't there a homebrew plugin/program/etc for that? I'm almost definitely sure there is at least one for the Wii in general, but whether it or they work on VC is the real question.
I figured it out somewhat in the Wii version. It accepts the gamecube controller, and it works amazing...but I can't seem to get it to work with the classic controller pro. I only have Metal Slug 1 & 2 loaded through virtual console, and later titles may have had some common sense, or I might not have figured it out further. I have had the games for years, and only recently started using the wii again.

>>5341392
>pretty sexy picture.
Indeed.

>>5341464
Should be RGB moddable with a neck board amplifier.

>>5341572
>>5341464
cant u theoretically mod anything by driving the electron guns directly?

I might have a problem

>>5341580
Yes.

>>5341637
thats how you get scratches in the anti-glare coating.

>>5341649
how tho?

>>5341637
whats with the naked tube on the floor?

>>5341637
Definitely.

You don't have enough CRTs and the ones you have are too small.

>>5341572
>>5341580
You can but I don't want to do it that way. I've done similar stuff back when I was into mame cabinets but it's the least desirable way to do so. I have a rgb to component retrotek box and pvmemes so getting RGB into this set isn't really worth the hassle. It would be nice to have composite and component however. I'll do it sometime but I'm lazy lately on modwork, been playing games instead of soldering.

>>5341637
pls send pvm to /vr/gins in need

>Finally get a PVM
>Play games
>They look fantastic
>Don't feel like playing anymore
>Feel empty inside again
>buy another CRT

>>5341685
>>5341572

>>5341637
the only problem you have is having shit taste only owning sony crts.

>>5341752
That's not true, I have a Nanao too

Sorry I know this has probably been asked a million times, but is 13 or 14 inches pointless to buy (will I hate it)? Does anyone regularly game on a screen this small?

>>5341838
It's a reasonable size if you're gonna be sitting at a desk.

>>5341838
It's fine enough. I found a professional monitor at that size for free and I use it semi regularly

>>5341392

I've tuned the colors since then...

>>5341838
It's pretty small, but if you don't have space for a bigger one it will do. 14" is what I've been using most of my life for consoles.

Look at this weird computer-tv that gateway put out, the Destination. It's 31" monitor can sync to 15, 24 and 31 kHz. There's one near me I'd love to get but it's not really feasible right now.

I'm going to open my set to yank out the velocity modulation board so that harsh edge sharpening goes away.

I've googled a lot and read the lowendmac article and know to discharge the anode, but what precautions can I take about the PSU caps besides not touching them?

>>5342097
DL31 and 36 do something like 31-38khz; They definitely do not do 15khz, and I highly doubt it has 24khz support.

>>5342254
Hmm you're right, I can't figure out what made me think that. Although the computer does have ntsc input which it upscales for the monitor

>>5342273
>Although the computer does have ntsc input which it upscales for the monitor
If you're basing that off of an old magazine article about it, that NTSC input is actually being done via a TV tuner in the paired PC. In fact, looking that that photo, I think that might be it on the bottom left .

>>5342278
Have you used one of the monitors before?

>>5342286
I have not, but there are two people in the discord who own the 36'' model, DL36, and VGA is all they can feed to them.

>>5342145
You can discharge caps but since you're not working near them it's not an issue. Just discharge the tube, take what you need, and don't finger fuck the insides like a monkey. Don't even bother taking the board out, just unclip the connectors on both ends or cut them if need be.

DOTS

>>5343081
GRILLES

>>5343096
SLOTS

>>5338171
What kind of monitor?
My old ads PVM was like that.
Turned it on, light turns on, loud twang, sound of static, but the screen remained exactly the same.
Now mind you mine doesn't even have a menu.
After hooking up a source it worked without issues.

>>5338171
I recently found a PVM-8042Q at Goodwill for $20, and was about to ask the same question. I almost didn't buy it because I thought the tube was dead or something. Turns out it just doesn't have an onscreen menu.

Any of you try the Pi to SCART stuff? Thinking about connecting my Pi to my Trinitron TV. What is the input lag like? The RetroRGB site says it's for 240p, does that mean that 480i modes like on the PSX will display garbled mess or crash?

>>5343891
if you're in the NTSC region just use a retrotink hat instead of pi2scart

>>5343891
Can't really do resolution switching in real time on a Pi, for games that switch pretty much have to choose between meh 480i and have the 240p parts of the game jiggly or fuzzy, or go 240p and lose definition in the 480i parts.

>>5343901
Out of production now, was the nicest proper 8 bit per colour solution, if you didn't mind the price. For component get a VGA hat + transcoder, for SCART get Pi2SCART.

>>5343901
>retrotink
That actually looks like a better solution but it's out of stock. Any idea when batches are made or if he takes preorders?

>>5341637
>I might have a problem
I agree, your entertainment center is visibly buckling under the weight of your sets. Replace it before it collapses.

>>5332523
She's 5'5, maybe 5'5 1/2" even.
Use https://www.mrinitialman.com/OddsEnds/Sizes/sizes.html to make comparisons

She's clearly past his shoulders.

>>5340924
>which typically meant using 240p-only standards
You mean 480i right?
Because nobody ever transmitted anything at 240p.

>>5340969
>320x200 is naturally doublescanned to 400p.
That's literally upscaling.

Do you think PVM prices will get so high Americans will start importing SCART televisions?

>>5346420
>the absolute state of crt hoarders
No.

>>5341412
>VHS tapes were 480i60 or 576i50 naturally
Lololololol no more like 250p or some shit like that.

>>5346423
It seems logical to me. Instead of fucking around with RGB>Component transcoding and different adapters just spend $150 or so and get a TV that will take SCART naturally.

>>5346420
pvms are a meme, similar to mech keyboards and accurate laser-point mouses

>>5346486
can you explain further?

/crt/, I just have a question. I'm looking for a kind of CRT my family had when I was younger, not to buy it, but out of curiousity.
It was a bloody huge one. I believe it had a wooden frame but was covered by like a black felt or whatever and the TV screen itself was a weird plastic (I know this for certain because back when I was younger my slightly older cousin punched my Grandmother's TV (it was the same make) straight through). I'm guessing they were fairly common as my Grandmother did have one.

>>5346479
>50hz

>>5346719
most if not all recent euro TVs display ntsc too.

>>5346425
Wrong. VHS and similar tapes were pretty shitty horizontal resolution and absolute garbage colour horizontally, but vertical they still had the full 480i/576i, electronics to scale video down vertically didn't exist for anywhere near practical prices when home tape became a thing.

>>5346637
I sounds like you are describing a rear projection television.

>>5346479
>It seems logical to me. Instead of fucking around with RGB>Component transcoding and different adapters just spend $150 or so and get a TV that will take SCART naturally.
so now you're fucking around with power converters, importing PAL consoles, and dealing with 50hz games in the cases that pal60 isn't available. brilliant idea, retard.

>>5346913
Most TVs from the early 90s onwards support Pal60 retard. Many sets also run on your backwards power standards as they're multivoltage. Typical Ameriflab, no idea what you're talking about.

Opened up my monitor because why the fuck not, just wondering what is this grey goo looking shit over everything?

>>5346727
>recent
>SCART
>CRT
>recent

>>5347275
I would like to know this too. Diarrhea-looking goo on my tube's coils.

>>5346845
Yeah, that's the TV we had, thanks man.
One last question, were they actually good or not?

>>5347817
Not

>>5347275
>grey goo looking shit
It is probably some sort of epoxy.

>>5347817
Yes, they can be very good in the right situation. Ignore naysayers such as >>5347838
who base their experiences off of poor configured examples in incorrect lighting situations.

In a dark room viewed straight on a RPTV can be great.

As good of a 34 pin video cable as you can get, basically the only one lol. Beats my shitty ribbon cable

Don't know if this is CRT specific or not, but anytime I plugged headphones into any CRT I've used, both my Dreamcast and PS2 I use to play PS1 games have a noticeable and constant hum/whine in the audio feed and I have to keep the volume really low to not get a headache from it. Is this just something you have to deal with with old consoles?

>>5348820
crts are electrically noisy inside and just not a good environment for audio. I would suggest a cheapo headphone amp and plug your console audio directly into that instead.

>>5348820
TVs emit so much EM noise in audio frequencies, any audio equipment nearby is going to pick that up. especially if it's inside the tv itself. just use an external amp far away from any crts.

>>5348910
>>5348915
Cool, thanks. I thought it might be interference but it gets better or worse depending on how high I had the volume so I thought it was the audio from the console itself. I'll get a cheap amp on Amazon and check it out.

>>5349092
Some if it is definitely gonna be noise from the console if it's an old one like a nintendo.

>>5349092
could also be crosstalk from the video signal, if both audio and video run through the same cable. is the noise louder on bright screens?

I've got a question, hoping that one of you fellow anons could help me out with. I recently (and stupidly) went into the service menu on my Sony Wega (HD)Crt [KV-34HS420]. I'm pretty certain I didn't change anything, however since then, every time I turn my TV off and on. The TV asks me to pick the language, adjust the tilt and then look for antennae (channels).

It would be great is someone knew how to stop this as it has become quite irritating over the past few months.

Greatly appreciate it, thank you!

>>5349876
Noise is louder on bright screens but I'm using an s-video with 2 rca on the Dreamcast and component on the PS2 so it's not like I'm running RF or anything.

>>5341741
>hook up systems via s-video/component
>yeah, they look good
>gets bored
>buy new crt that only has composite
>hook up all systems
>they don't look as good but nah fuck it
>stop being autistic who cares more about the image than the actual games
>finally being able to have fun again like in childhood
>feels nice and warmhearted
Just wanted share.

Anyone know a good HDMI to component converter that can output 480i and take PC resolutions like 800x600, 1024x768 etc for 4:3? Picture is Wii over S-Video since I'm too lazy to switch between my PS2/3 on component when there's a couple of S-Video inputs.

>>5350337
Most of the generic HDMI to component up/downscaler boxes will do 480i fine, it's 240p that's harder to find.