/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5314628
I'd say it's too early to declare how good it is

It will be okay, and thus decried as shit.

>>5314628
Looks like horribly generic garbage. Just play the original.

>>5314628
If they're smart about how they manage their development efforts / costs going forward then it stands a reasonable chance of being good. Looks a little on the dark + bloomy side but "cyberpunk neon" is a decent choice of reinterpretations for the old SS1 art assets. Which engine was it they were using again, Unreal or Unity? I know that decision was probably down to "which one does our programming guy know how to use" but I'm really kind of hoping that's not Unity.

>>5314724
They started in Unity then switched to UE4.

It will be shit just like the original.

>>5316680
...that you probably never played you Zoomshit

>>5316680
Ebin

I thought this was cancelled. Did they get a loan or something?

>>5314628
Game remakes are no different than movie remakes

>> great best selling game that people love
>> "lets remake it!"
>> remakes game but decides to "fix" some things and "modernize" it
>> "why do people hate it so much???"

>>5314628
I don't have high hopes. When you polish out all the clunkiness of the original, you aren't really left with much. I can understand why they wanted to do a reboot, because a straight remaster is going to end up feeling very superficial.

>>5317801
> When you polish out all the clunkiness of the original, you aren't really left with much.

AKA the Resident Evil problem.

Normies hate cumbersome controls, but the second you streamline them, you're running around like a supersoldier and the horror aspect is gone.

>>5318161
System Shock's Enhanced Edition already has that problem. By improving the controls and adding mouselook, combat is quickly trivialized because the enemies just weren't designed around the player being so fast.

That said, horror wasn't really the focus in SS1. Nightdive really want to make it more like SS2 in that regard.

>>5314628
nice but where's the massive HUD?

More importantly, will it have VR support? SS was basically a VR game before VR existed, I'd love to see it rendered as such. Probably won't be though, shame.

>>5316732
They fired the majority of their staff and started from scratch

>>5314628
>remake of *
It will be shit

>>5317801
>When you polish out all the clunkiness of the original, you aren't really left with much.
I get what you mean, but i'd phrase it more like >>5318161. The game works perfectly the way it is, right down to needing to select you clip in order to reload.

>>5314628
The new look doesn't work for me.
Those old 3d spaces and level design were more abstract than realistic. All those shiny new materials, effects and the lighting seem out of place.
It's like using ultrarealistic graphics in Minecraft.
Naw...that's a pass from me.

>>5314628
They were on track with the remake, then some time later scrapped everything they had up to that point, fired the dev team, hired another team, changed the engine, and then decided "we are going to do a reboot of the series using Deus Ex Human Revolution as inspiration and using System Shock 2's system as a starting point" before going completely silent for nearly two years before slowly trickling info out back in october. All of this happened even though they used up all the kickstarter money somewhere along the way and people were happy the original planned remake was being very faithful to the original.

>>5314628
GRAPHICS GRAPHICS WOAH
GRAPHICS MAN
LOOK AT THIS FOG
HAHA
THEM SHADOWS
WOAH GRAPHICS
GRAPHICSSSS

>>5314628
>Hiatus Shock
It was supposed to come out in 2017 and the only thing that's come of it so far is a remake of the pre alpha demo of the remake

>>5314628
I hate to say that, but this does nothing for me.

>>5314628
I thought this was cancelled

>>5314724
>If they're smart about how they manage their development efforts / costs going forward
They really don't. Night Dive studio gets by through old IP acquisitions and then rereleasing them on modern systems, usually by employing an already existing fan patch/mod they may or may not be paying the creator money to use. Actual game development is pretty much entirely lost on them, I've been following the remake kickstarter and pretty much nobody that was hired before then had any real game dev knowledge or experience, they pretty much made a team just for the remake, and the first lead dev they originally had was a youtuber who made a bunch of tf2 fan models and videos. Really I should've seen the warning signs before forking over $40 to back it but I was lured in too easily by what-ifs

>>5320683
DUDE, FUCKING RAY TRACING!

>>5320709
This is still rasterization, no RT

>>5314628
It'll be shit, but it'll still be played more than the original because it will have better graphics and controls.

>>5314628
I don't know why but there's something about it that feels like it was made in another game's map editor mode.

>>5318386
Man, I still died a lot playing SS1 enhanced

>>5321060
All the hitscanning enemies make direct combat a pain without shields. Until you discover you can usually just lean around corners and they won't be able to shoot back.

Vaporware that will never be released.

>>5314628
lighting is shit and the environment looks too moist and not sterile enough

feels like there should be rats everywhere or something

Will it have ray tracing?

>>5321341
Implementation is easy enough, but for what...accurate reflections? Wasted on a game like this.

>>5321352
I think it would look great.
Granted I never finished the game, got bored pretty quick into it, it's been on my backlog ever since.

>>5321408
I think you look great!

>>5321414
Y-you too.

>>5321317
They think it needs to look like Bioshock.

>>5314628
Lookin' good so far. I'm glad that they seem to have moved away from incorporating a bunch of fucking waiting for watching your character move his hands all around the place when he picks up items. Hopefully they don't add those back in.
I like that the names of stuff you're looking at is displayed on the HUD like the original, although I dunno about the distance they've decided on where it doesn't work.
I think the fog might be a bit excessive, but I guess it could be a lore thing that Shodan's shut off the heating because the mutants don't need it and it makes the robots run more efficiently.
Overall lookin' good. Let's hope they don't fuck it up once they program the actual game part of it.

>>5321058
Good graphics applied on top of pretty faithful map layouts, which in this video are basically just interconnected rectangles, are probably giving it that vibe.

>>5321537
>moved away from incorporating a bunch of fucking waiting for watching your character move his hands all around the place when he picks up items

eh, i mean if it's just when you pick up an important upgrade for the first time then who cares. usually that's not happening while shit's actively popping off all around you.

>>5314628
Generic as fuck
>LOOK AT THE GRAPHIGSZZZS
>LOOK AT THIS TEXTURESSSSS
>LOOK YOU CAN PLAY IT ON YOUR 999$ PC
>YOU CAN DO YOUTUBE VIDEOS WITH IT

>>5322557
I have absolutely no faith in developers who are interested in le immersive hand anniemayshuns to not overuse them. The same dev team responsible for that went on to publicly announce that their remake would instead be a reimagining- I have no doubt that they would've gone way too far with it. I'm glad that most of them got fired and that the new team has some fucking humility.

Did anyone else enjoy SS1 and the first two Bioshocks more than SS2?

>>5314628
wasn't it 0451?

>>5322827
SS1 >> SS2 >>>> Bioshock >>>>>>>> Bioshock2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infinite

Known fact, there.

>>5322839
from memory it was only three digits?

>>5322584
It's a remaster. Of course graphics are the only important thing.

>>5323010
>its true because I say so!

>>5314628
I wonder what SHODAN will look like in this one.

>>5323239
This is what Nightdive came up with.

>>5323265
Are you sure thats anything like she is post-alpha builds?

>>5323279
None of the builds have gotten as far as to include her. But Nightdive are still using that image everywhere so I doubt it's getting changed.

>>5320608
Why are System Shock's enemy sprites so fucking awful?

>>5323317
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>5323320
No its because he doesn't find the appeal.

SS1 is an unplayable mess. And that comes from someone who likes Daggerfall. Come to think of it. So yeah, everything will be better than the original.

>>5323330
opinion discarded

>>5323330
One of the most highly praised games of all time, constant 90-100 / 100 scores everywhere.

Some kids plays it in 2019
>unplayable mess

>cortex reaver is a Trioptimum product, and they had secret labs for experimenting with mutating humans
I guess Trioptimum is going to be one of those evil mega corporations now. How original.

>>5323348
Says who? I long thought that they were created and planned by SHODAN during the time of the Hacker's 6-month coma

>>5323421
I was catching up on the updates on kickstarter.
>These types of props will help emphasize that Tri-Optimum was engaging in questionable experiments long before SHODAN took over the station....

>>5323348
>>5323451

Yeah, let's undermine the antagonist of the entire series. Oh btw, we will need 1.3 million dollars from you, up front.

>>5323519
I think that even in the original System Shock 1, Tri-Optimum had its people doing substantially questionable-downright vile things, and not just experiments. Example: Edward Diego's monetary fraud and/or financial misdeeds that were part of the charges being brought against him by major courts.

>>5323832
It was Trioptimum itself that was investigating Diego. The whole reason the story in SS1 kicks off is because he wanted to misuse Trioptimum resources on the station. There was certainly no out-right villainy.

The company gets much shadier in SS2, but that's because they get bought out by a black market arms dealer after the Citadel ruined the company.

>>5323235
ss1 grew a lot on me, at first i just couldn't get into it and hated it. Now i think its the best one.

>>5323348
>>5323451
I really would prefer if these weren't in the game, but I suppose it somewhat explains how Shodan was able to make mutie machines. Not that it needed any explaining past "She had quite a long time to build them while the protagonist was in cryo sleep" but I'm sure someone was upset by it. I don't think it really harms the lore that much as long as they clearly say that Trioptimum only experimented on test tube babies, not human captives, and didn't get very far on their own.

>>5323941
Oh, thanks for the clear up.

>>5314628
Never played the original, but this looks soulless as fuck. Just a generic spaceship FPS, all rooms are boxes with 9000 xmas tree colored PC monitors everywhere because they couldn't think of a better design language.

>>5322584
>Final Art KS Preview
>WHY IS THIS VIDEO FOCUSING ON GRAPHICS
and people wonder why nobody listens to /v/, /vr/ or /vg/

>>5324038
My guess is that they're trying to explain why the mutants and cyborgs never attacked each other. In the original, the mutated crew were supposed to be behaving wildly and should have been just as hostile to Shodan's forces. Instead mutants and cyborgs all chilled together and only went for the player.

Whereas some of the first concept art released for the remaster suggested the mutants were now produced by Triop as workers. And if they're designed to carry out orders, it means they can say Shodan took control of them along with everything else on the station.

>>5323941
It wouldn't surprise me if the devs never played SS1 and are basing everything off TriOp as it was in SS2. From the start they said they wanted to turn the game into SS2/Dead Space.

Looks meh, but I hope it's turned out decent. I know that they working on few extra locations and what to expand some areas. But I really afraid about new art style of the reamke.
Also, New Diego looks bad, new Hacker looks bad

>>5325669
Pics please.

>>5325679
I assume this is the monitor with Diego like in og game.

>>5325705
Also, here's some Hacker concept art, looks kind of bad imo.

>>5325705
Edward Diego looks okay at least. Hacker looks meh at best.

>>5325710
Looks like the dude from Hackers (1995).

>>5325751
>Edward Diego looks okay at least
I mean, doesn't he supposed to look like typical yang greedy corporate scum from old movies ? In concept art, he looks like some Villain from Bioshock or something

>>5325779
Nowadays it's all about the old white corporate types.

>>5325768
copy-paste pretty much
what a clown act

>>5325768
>>5325803
You wouldn't believe how many people love that movie, even if it has almost nothing to do with real hacking.

>>5325710
>>5325768
I'm sure you could find the exact frame from the film they photobashed from.

>>5325796
He's a corporate guy in both the remake and the original.

>>5325812
Im one of the guys you responded to.
I dont think Hackers is a bad movie since i watch it religiously every year on my birthday,I even have the OST and everything.
That said this remake is a joke anon for using something already assembled into Hollywood movie.

>>5316684
I played it, was trash. The final fight was even worse than 2's.

>>5325812
>tfw I bought its bluray first from the USA (first blurry of it), then from Germany (proper 5.1 sound) and then again from the UK (commentary-track with Iain Softley (director))
I regret nothing, hack the planet.

>>5325710
what the fuck where's the mullet ponytail

>>5323832
trioptimum in SS1 seemed to be a relatively good megacorp your mission control from trioptimum is completely reasonable

>>5319642
>They fired the majority of their staff

This is not going to go well if they had to do this.

>>5326889
They ran out of kickstarter money, which is usually the point at which these projects collapse. So it hasn't gone well, but the fact they're still going means they're doing better than all the failed projects.

>>5326342
Okay, I stand corrected.

>>5322839
It's referencing Fahrenheit 451. Other games have extra digits, depending on their own keypad standards, so many games with four digits use 0451. SShock2 uses five numbers so it's 45100.

>>5318386
>By improving the controls and adding mouselook, combat is quickly trivialized because the enemies just weren't designed around the player being so fast.
It's the same thing with people using a mouse for GoldenEye and PD. The game just wasn't designed with that level of precision in mind.

>>5329776
Nightdive said they wanted to tone down the action in the game anyway, to make it more of a strictly horror game. Or at least, that's what they said at the beginning; after they've changed direction so many times, it's hard to work out what still applies.

>>5314628
I'd like to like it but it looks pretty fuckin regular