/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5318714

>Now before you say "Hey but you played through them all and it shows you have some interest"

Literally nobody. Anyway, they are what they are, as with any other franchises, you don’t have enjoy. What is it about it that you didn’t enjoy in particular. To add some contrast, I’ve never enjoyed anything from the Zelda franchise, I find them to be pretty contrived games.

>>5318714
i understand
i always wanted to get into this series and the kingdom hearts series but the dialogue and the character models are too fucking gay

>>5318727
I guess its the idea of Princesses, Warriors, and Knights all banding together to defeat the main bad guy when they look like they belong in an N-Sync video
The games arent bad for me, they just arent captivating
>>5318730
Yeah, that just might be it, the artstyle and the characters attires might be one of the factors

>>5318714
But what did you like about the series? What's your favorite so far? Do you like JRPGs in general? If so, what's your favorite for comparision?

>>5318714
>I still dont see the appeal.
They're mostly a gateway to their genre and nothing more than that, high production values for most of them sure, but graphics and music alone are not enough for anybody other than casual players.

FF is a series mostly propelled by brand name with very little actually going on for it beyond that, if you weren't part of the target audience back when you were younger and more impressionable it's hard for you to get into them now, it's true for most of the big names of all genres.
If you ask me though, the biggest problem with this series outside of becoming Square's cashcow, was the lack of a unifying and steady direction, the series lacks a strong identity or something that can truly distinguish it from other franchises, and having the most bog standard gameplay and mechanics, ill designed more often that not, does not help its case, when even Dragon Quest of all things gives you more freedom and a more solid mechanical package on average it's really hard to find reasons to play your games.

>>5318745
yes, i actually do like some jrpgs
i played the fire emblem games, lufia games, golden sun series, dragon quest series, chrono series, and mother series in its entirety with some translations
the games are memorable for me
there have been a few memorable moments in the final fantasy games and some boss fights i love to death, but its just not captivating enough for me
i really want to continue but at the same time i just want to stop
>>5318767
makes alot of sense, thanks

>>5318778
I understand your point, then. Like >>5318767
said, it's highly because we started playing the series at a young age and fell in love with the worlds and characters. Final Fantasy is my favorite JRPG series, and even I'd say every single game in the series is overrated to some extent. But yet every game has something to love, too. I love the multiple main characters of FFVI, all the Cloud Flashbacks of VII where mindblowing for me, and I could say something similar to every game. The gameplay is kinda boring IMO, but I love the boss battles. I'm kinda losing track of what I'm trying to say, but even though I think series like Suikoden, SMT, Breath of Fire, Dragon Quest, Xenogears, etc. are all superior JRPGs, there's something special about the Final Fantasy series that I can't put into words, it has a atmosphere and an aura that draws me into those worlds like nothing else. If you can't enjoy it, it's completely fine, that's just my dumb opinion. Hope it helped.

JRPGs aged like milk and on top many of them were developed for 10-15 year olds.

>>5318714
>Hey but you played through them all and it shows you have some interest"

I wouldn't say that, I think you're an idiot for it taking so long ti realize the series isn't your cup of tea.

It derives appeal from being a game with fluid fun mechanic, interesting characters and a unique setting (though some entries have some of these but not all). You might just not like JRPGs if you don't enjoy a single entry from I-X

>>5318743
>when they look like they belong in an N-Sync video
This is literally only true for VIII, X, and X-2. Every other game has extremely standard fare as far as JRPG character costumes go.

>>5318836
>You might just not like JRPGs if you don't enjoy a single entry from I-X
What a stupid, worthless statement, I like JRPGs and I can't stand FF, at least not anymore.
Mind you, I used to like the games when I was younger and didn't know any better, but after I did play some actual fucking games I could never go back to them since they're not only as basic as they come, they're also mechanically uninteresting and a lot more broken that most games out there, despite the massive production values, which is kind of pathetic.

Even today, I'd rather replay something like Ark The Lad II or Shiroki Majou than a FF, I'd rather replay Chrono Cross than a FF because all those games, while deeply flawed are still not as flawed and mediocre as the average FF, which is mostly propelled by its graphics.

>>5318743
>>5318778

From what I can see, you lean towards series that are lighter in tone. Final Fantasy games, especially in the late 90's/Early 00's used to be fairly edgy. For what it's worth, Final Fantasy is usually a mixture of rudimentary mechanics and big production values, which is enough to sway newcomers. It helps for the franchise in general that Final Fantasy VII has a very memorable cast, and they've sure milked that cow. Otherwise, I don't think it's a very recommendable series.

>>5318865
>Even today, I'd rather replay something like Ark The Lad II or Shiroki Majou than a FF, I'd rather replay Chrono Cross

You may well be more experiencing genre burn out more than a specific dislike of FF. I used to quite like jrpgs abd though the ffs weren't my favorite many times I did enjoy several and thought they were good entries in the genre (2,3,5,6,9). However as time went by and many were played I completely burnt out on the genre as a whole and now find any new one I've tried impenetrably boring.

Though that's not to say that personal taste doesn't also play a big role. I know DQ has many fans and I enjoyed the first three to a degree but every one I tried after felt like pulling teeth trying to get into it.

My philosophy is that I know there's not nearly enough time to play everything, or even everything I want so if a game isn't actively enjoyable on some level I drop it fast.

>>5318714
>Is there something I dont get?
>For 6 months now Ive sat down and played from FF1 to FF10
You poor bastard. Dude, FF is a meme series, always has been. People play those games because they think it makes them look smart, but taking mandatory hits is pretty dumb.

>>5318714
3, 5, 6 and 7 are the only remotely good games out of those.
Well, 2 is a good meme, if you don't mind the gameplay.
Other than that there are 12, Tactics and a few fun spin-offs that aren't a complete garbage.

>>5318714
I think Resident Evil is pretty terrible honestly and is one of those series people pretend to like for gamer cred. The only remotely playable one is 4.

>>5319092
>You may well be more experiencing genre burn out more than a specific dislike of FF
Not really, no.
I regularly play and replay many JRPGs every year so I can't say it's a matter of being burnt out, especially not when I also play many RPGs in general, eastern or western.

It's just that FF is one of those franchises that are really nothing more than a gateway to their own genre and never go beyond that, of course personal tastes also influence how people see things, but as a whole it's a rather unremarkable series outside of the first three games, and even there the only truly remarkable game is FFII for coming up with an original growth system later used in another, better series, and it's the only thing worth mentioning about it since everything else might as well be just another watered down Ultima clone, as cute as that might be.

It's not like it's the worst stuff out there, things like Secret of the Stars or Legend of Dragoon exist, but at the same time there's a lot of much better stuff you can play or discover.

>>5318778
Well the fact that you consider something as barebones and generic as Golden Sun to be more "memorable" than any Final Fantasy shows the problem lies with your taste rather than the games themselves.

>>5319265
RE is the very definition of "you had to be there" judged by today's standards it's laughable at best but was fucking revolutionary back in the day. Though yes RE4 is indeed one of the best video games ever made.

>>5319275
That's fair then, and I wouldn't call myself a fan but do I think they're on average one of the better jrpg series out there (at least till 9 where I stopped). But that's where the personal taste comes in because I know a lot of people legitimately love Dragon Quest but I mostly can't stand them.

>>5319279
I also agree with this. GS was really crappy in my memory but that was also close to one of the last jrpgs I played

>>5318790
I completely agree with this. Gameplay isn't anything stellar, with a couple of exceptions, but at the same time it has a unique charm to it. And even so, generally each entry tries to create an unique identity, with all the pros and cons that comes with that, and has something that manages to grab me.

>>5318714
all baited kek

>>5318714
>please be aware that when I play videogame series I tend to give them all a chance before i make my decision

You have no sense of self worth. Normal people do not devote their time and energy to "give something a chance" that they do not enjoy. If you truly were just pushing yourself and did not have any interest, the series is most certainly not for you. It's for the inventive and curious....and to a degree the devoted like you, as some are very grindy. You seem too rigid and stoic to know when you like something or not.

>>5318714
The best way I can describe my appeal to Final Fantasy is that it's kinda like the Yellow Submarine if there was more thought put into it.

its turned-based RPG garbage. you have to have a low IQ and slow reaction time to enjoy them

>>5318714
IMO, 1,2 & 3 are not very good, 4 is great, 5 ok and 6 is the best one, i have not played the others

>>5319285
But RE 1 has Barry Burton

>>5318727
>contrived
You don't even know what that word means

>>5318714
All I'm gonna say is this; at the risk of sounding like a dick, you're an idiot.

Anyone who obsessively HAS to play every game in a series before he decides if he likes them or not had some serious problems.
If I play a game, and it doesn't get me by the end of the first hour, Im out. Period.
But to play through 10 games, not enjoying any of it, throwing away over a hundred hours of your life on something you actively didnt like...

You need to have your head checked, anon.

My non mean answer is that not every game, series, genre or hobby is for everyone. If you tried a couple FFs for a few hours and didn't like them, that should have told you right there.

>>5319739
Holy shit, anon. Did sakaguchi rape your mom or something. Get a fucking life, loser.

>>5319285
Holy, wow, you're a moron.

Be.careful not to hurt yourself there, jebb. Let me get you a helmet.

Yeah, my main issue with the FFs that I've played in recent years (7, 10, 5, 3, 6; all played or replayed in the past 2-ish years) is that the central gameplay element -- that is, "what does the player spend most of their time doing?" -- is just not fun. That central gameplay element is "menu efficiently during forced encounters so that you can get to the few interesting elements of the game -- i.e. the story (in the later FFs) or building your character/party."

I think that, because FF was Square's biggest cash cow, they also wanted it to be the most palatable to a wide variety of player types. Square's real experimentation was with their other series.

I don't know what to tell you OP, I love FF and never got into RE or Zelda.

>>5319873
>can't even come up with an argument

Stay seething REfag

>>5319285
I played through the whole series for the first time four years ago and it was awesome. Shut your whore mouth.

>>5319314
There's also the infamous goon LP that people bring up in almost every GS thread.

>>5318865
Ok then you...don't like a popular series. Most people have 'classics' that they can't get into but I don't see the point in blogging about it here. Clearly you can't be convinced and I'm not going to force you, so go play a series you enjoy or something.

>choose attack from menu
>wait for character to attack
>wait for enemy to attack
>choose attack again

>>5318714
>Is there something I dont get?

yes

>>5319864
We like to joke about it a lot, but OP is on the spectrum in some fashion and probably knows it. This is just how he deals with life.

That's assuming it's not all a long troll, but it's less likely. The praise for Golden Sun sounds fishy but if he played it early on its possible it made a strong impression.

>>5318714
i cant really speak for the older nes-snes ff's but I really enjoyed the playstation ff's and ffx. i dunno maybe you're just too old to play and appreciate them now op

>>5319275
Your post was good until this
>It's not like it's the worst stuff out there, things like Secret of the Stars or Legend of Dragoon exist
>fucking legend of dragoon
>one of the jrpgs of all time

>>5324435
This is /vr/. Everyone is a contrarian, good games are bad, shit systems are good and no matter what TV you're playing on someone will say you're doing it wrong.

>>5324443
Yeah, sometimes I forgot how this board really is. But desu /vr/ is the only board worth posting one, since /v/ is fuckin trash and full of retards and every other board is infested with incels and poltards.

>>5324456
I understand the frustration, my dude.
Hell, /vr/'s been getting hit with that shit as of late too.
And just to make this retro related, Legend of Dragoon is also my shit. I can't fathom the hate it gets.

>>5318714
>I purposefully put myself through 10 games I don't like so that I could be a recurring controversial blimp on the /vr/ radar

I mean, assuming you're not a troll that's dedication. What did you think about the music and the later games' art direction?

>>5319285
I think the first one still stands. It's got a clever puzzle box feel. The rest though...

Not to start shit but legend of dragoon is a jrpg for people who don't like jrpgs