/vr/ - Retro Games

found a tv that comes in either 27" or 32". what's the best size to chose?

Is 36" big enough?

Is there a way to hook up a PC to a consumer CRT?

>>5303462
lots of crts have vga input, and many desktops have output. for desktop use u should use crt monitors tho

>>5303470
I have a PC monitor, it’s just too small. I want at least a 30” set for vidya purposes.

I really adore the fuzzier image consumer sets produce. I think 5th gen games look best on them.

>>5303462
https://www.aussiearcade.com/showthread.php/87668-A-guide-to-connecting-your-Windows-PC-to-an-SD-CRT-TV-PVM-or-Arcade-Monitor

>>5303494
Thanks man.

Hey boys. is it possible to change my 14m2u to NTSC instead of pal? or do I have to manually align the picture for an ntsc signal to appear correctly without the black bar to the right

>>5302914
I've seen these small monitors for sale too, someone tried to sell one for 50 euros for a long time and no one bought it. Then he started asking 30 for it and it was sold in days.

>>5303457
No, not at all. You need to get a projector and a 150" screen imo.

>>5303457
I have a XM-37+ that I sit literally 3-4 ft from. Wish it was 50"

>>5303535
NTSC vs PAL is set automatically. You can shift the image horizontally in the service menu.

>>5303924
>I have a XM-37+ that I sit literally 3-4 ft from
Living the dream, anon. Don't you... don't you ever let that thing get away from you

Can I adjust the horizontal alignment on my Philips CRT for RGB without touching the AV alignment? I’ve tried from the service menu but it seems to modify both signals

>>5304343
Nope. You'll have to modify the alignment everytime you switch from Component/RGB to a different input. I personally have my service menu password memorized, so when I switch between consoles with different inputs, I can adjust the horizontal shift in a matter of seconds.

>>5304343
Depends on the TV. I have a setting that's meant specifically to correct the RGB horizontal offset, labeled as "RGBH" in the menu. Not a Philips set though.

Recently got a 14L5 with an HD-SDI input card. Dreamcast games look absolutely amazing on it. Looking forward to running more 480p stuff on it.

As a side note, does anyone else get a lot of underscan from Capcom fighting games on the Dreamcast?

>>5304370
Over VGA specifically, or in general?

>>5304542
I got the same issue while outputting S-Video to my 1954Q. I've yet to test them via S-Video on the 14L5. Also, I don't think the games were outputting in 240p mode on either occasion.

>>5303773
I've put it on my watchlist just to see if it sells.
It's too small imo even for a desk monitor.

When looking at the 240p grid test in 240ptestsuite, are you supposed to be seeing perfect 1:1 squares it configured properly? I've got the grid perfectly in frame on all sides but some squares look more oblong than others.

What's the best way to use a VGA CRT monitor with retro consoles? Am I better off just using it for MAME only and sticking to a CRT TV for consoles?

>>5304638
retrotink

What's the smallest size CRT TV that's still reasonably usable? I'm thinking about getting a 10"-15" CRT to set on my computer desk. Where's the cut off for comfortable use?

>>5304638
Ossc

>>5304732
8" is the smallest I have and it's just too small. The second smallest one is 14" which is usable. Had a 21" TV but it was too big for my small apartment.

>>5304370
>Recently got a 14L5 with an HD-SDI input card. Dreamcast games look absolutely amazing on it. Looking forward to running more 480p stuff on it.
Are you running them on digital via the recent DCHDMI mod?

>>5304934
Why would he want to do that? Dreamcast's video quality is really good as is.

Not retro but idk where else to turn when it comes to picture quality.

Which version of GBI allows me to scale up the image and looks good on a CRT? I'm fairly certain I'm using High Fidelity version now which puts black all around the image. Looks fine aside from some ghosting probably due to my svideo cables. I'd really like to fill in the screen and from what I read standard GBI is meant for LCD's and such while high fidelity and speedrunning are meant for CRT's.

>>5304934
>>5304954
I'm using RGB for the Dreamcast. The only thing I've used with HD-SDI so far has been my Switch.

>>5303453
If you have the room for it and the people to move it get the 32".

>>5304597
take a photo of the screen and post it here

Rate my CRT.

>>5303457
Too big imo.

>>5305195
what is it? Looks very PVM/BVM-ish

>>5305195
hey mine too!

>>5305258
3DS XL screen haha. Besides its faux scanlines, it doesn’t have any of the other bells and whistles CRTs provide an image. I still think it looks very nice though.

Is the pvm PVM-20M2MDU good ? Someone near me is selling one for 200 usd

>>5305284
i mean it just got mistaken for a bvm so i'd say its doing alright.

side note its been very cold by me and i've had my space heater setup. its close to my crt and if i have the room nice and warm and cozy i notice that my tv doesn't give that nice loud spoingggg noise when i start it up instead its much quieter. anything wrong?

>>5305284
I had a feeling you were trying to bamboozle us. But this is actually very much like what a BVM's slot mask looks like. However, in motion the difference would be very easy to see, as well as the BVM looking much, much brighter and more dynamic.

When people say playing on a high TVL CRT looks like you're playing an emulator they really do mean it.

>>5305289
eh 3 years ago i was selling 20m4u's for 200 a pop. nowadays i see them for 500-1000. if you want it that bad then get it.

>>5305289
$200 is on the lower end of what you'll see them going for. I sold a rebadge of that model a few months back for as much and could have probably gotten more if I had bothered.

>>5304551
Honestly don't remember it underscanning much at all when messing around with it. When/if you've ran 240p Test Suite. Do you have everything adjusted to show all of the red squares, or do you have some/portions of them off the screen?

Do SCART to Component adapters work well and display RGB fine?
I'm using an 80s CRT with scart but I'm interested in getting my hands on a Trinitron with component

Any recommendations for converters?

>>5305354
>>5305314
I see, so the price is good, but, is it a good pvm? I currently have a kv 27s26 and pvm 8040, could the PVM-20M2MDU be an improvement? I want a decent pvm to finish my setup

CRT collecting isn't fun anymore, anons. The market is full of too many resellers and the days of easy pickings of professional-tier large-size CRT monitors are long over. It was fun while it lasted.

I'm off to start the new journey of finding what the next-generation of used pro-spec AV equipment will be, and try to jump on that and do some things I've never done. I'm reading now that SRXD projectors had near-CRT black levels and very high frame rates. I wonder if Sony made a pro version of that stuff?

I'm really getting into the sound side of things too. For too long I've been just using what was "good enough" but recently I've been able to listen to an actually great sound system and it makes a world of difference.

>>5305427
the price is good for modern day but back when i got my bvm two years ago for 30 bucks that was better. fthis guys right >>5305431
for me a 20 inch wasn't enough. no matter how good the picture quality was i just wasn't satisfied since i'm not sitting at a desk to play. If you are content with having a screen that's 20 inches small then go for it. otherwise i think your 27 inch is perfectly fine. i have a 36 inch and only rarely miss my bvm because of its aesthetic

>>5305427
That photo is of a 20M2MDU, as is this. It is without a doubt a leap up from an 8040.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa29zqMewYFInixjysOcrmkmbaiOBiugh

>>5305294
Ok mr. Brains, what am i playing on?

>>5305354
This is what it currently looks like. And the options menu on 3rd Strike says that the display is at 100%. I was running it off a burned disk with every SFIII variant, if that makes any difference.

>>5305460
looks decent

>>5305431
i'm buying "presentation/theatre" grade video and sound equipment off ebay for $5-10. It's all stuff from the 2000s. It's all analog and it's cool shit to play with. every school, business, and government facility is dumping this shit right now.
I'm not sure about projectors but I bet there's some good stuff out there.

Things like video scalers/switchers, sync generators, mini amps, distribution amplifiers, video editors. It's not video game related though. There are some uses for gen 6-7 systems since those since they had 480p (ish) and widescreen support and the 60hz/15hz line gets blurred more. I was looking for a good component to vga solution and I realized I had one in some extron unit i bought for about $10. That's cheaper than the chink shit on ebay/amazon.

When you get out of the 240p/crt world of retro gaming (which is a thing now, sorry /vr/) then it's like the wild west days again.

>>5305454
No idea. Looks like some of the "artistic" shaders you can enable in Retroarch. Screen door effect says LCD tho

>making my rounds of the thrift stores again
>see a very nice looking metal frame 35" CRT tv with "Pro Scan" branding
>turn it around
>s-video, composite, stereo output using those alligator clip looking things and phono connectors
>manufactured by Thompson Electric
>it had already been rained on :(
Just left on the curb to die. Very disappointing to see such a set being treated liked that. I thought about going in and telling the old women that they shouldn't have left it out like that but I know they don't give a shit.

>>5305570
Here is one very similar,
https://www.recycledgoods.com/proscan-ps35152-37-stereo-color-tv-with-dual-inputs-s-video/

I don't know if it is exactly the same model, but all the inputs and the size are the same. I said but it looks like it's officially a 37" (probably 35" viewable).

S-video only, but I bet it's a really good looking s-video. They'd probably give it to me if I went back, but it would be a crap shoot if it still worked after being in the drizzling rain under the awning of the store. And I'd have to get people to move it and a place to set it up....

*long deep sigh*

>>5305559
Its an lcd screen on a gp2x. I dont think theres any ghosting either, it looks really good for a handheld.

>>5305582
Yeah, they include shaders like that in Retroarch for playing emulated versions of GBA, Neo Pocket Color, etc, and I would expect the gp2x to have a similar screen.

>>5305582
*For a handheld from that era.

>>5305586
Yeah, i actually like it a lot. It has some kinda fake dithering or something going on (maybe cause its so small) that makes look really good with the naked eye.

>>5305579
There's nothing wrong with an unplugged (uncharged) electronic getting wet, as long as you let it dry completely before plugging it in it will work (unless it's been there for weeks and there's residue left over from the water)
>*long deep sigh*
stop this

>>5305591
Crts have amperage that lingers for weeks, you could do some serious damage if gets wet while unplugged and still has a "charge"

>>5304732
14" is small
20" is medium
25"-27" is large
36" is SSBBW

>>5305595
for one it's most likely been sitting at the thrift store for months, and for two there isn't really any way the rain will bridge a connection between the anode and cathode unless the whole case flooded

>>5305590
>>5305591
Whoops didnt see the uncharged part, my mistake.

>>5305604
>it's most likely been sitting at the thrift store for months
Six days at most

>>5304732
I have tried to rationalize sets smaller than 19" over the years but the truth is they are just too damned small from any distance.

"back in the day nobody cared about getting the best picture, everyone used rf or composite"

My actual history of video displays
>1989 to 1993
RF video in the living room, black and white RF via UHF/VHF screw terminals in my room
>1994
We got a new tv in the living, and I curiously noticed the yellow, red, and white ports that matched the strange cable that came in the box with my SNES. No one knew what the AUX channel on the TV did until I puzzled it out. I noticed the video improvement immediately.
Kept using RF in my bedroom but switched to "color" TV with weak blue gun. Started using composite on the NES as well.
>1997
First home PC, and IBM 386. Didn't know how to play DOS games on it at first, but it was first home exposure to RGB. Of course, arcade games I had been playing for years were all RGB.
>1999
Family gets another new living room TV and it has s-video. I know what this is from reading about it in a magazine. I buy a multi-av cable for dreamcast, sony, and nintendo systems with s-video output on it.
Additionally by this time I am emulating games on my home CRT monitor in RGB.
>2000s
S-video eventually leads on to component around 2004, and in 2006 I use advancemame to send true 240p RGB to an old multi-sync workstation PC monitor which was given to me for free in mint condition.

>>5305294
In general, I find once you get high enough video quality, it tends to look pretty close no matter what you use. I think the biggest advantages of CRTs are that they have no input lag and it's convenient to hook up older consoles too it. I don't think it makes it visually look too different for the most part.

In my search for a KV-40XBR800 I have come across a KV-40XBR700. It's mostly the same unit except it lacks digital input. It's tempting. With a VGA to component converter performance should be nearly identical. But I think I'll keep looking.

>>5305431
I owned a very nice JVC projector, a DLA-RS40, a few years back. Its made with similar tech.as the Sony's. It was the fanciest projector I've ever seen. Motorized lens covers near perfect colors out the box and the darkest blacks I've ever seen on a projector. It was huge, as large as an ikea table in a big piano black case. It was very nice and I wish I didn't have to sell it. But it didn't get black levels anywhere near a crt. It had blacks that were super great for a projector however... any working crt you found on the side of the road would reach much darker blacks then it was capable of. I do miss it though, a lot.

>>5305839
crt or bust

>>5305841
God damn. I would love to be able to get a badass crt projector set up and if I ever win the lottery I would lol. Got any pics of your stuff running?

>>5305839
That is disheartening. I had hoped it would be better than that. I have owned a CRT projector before, an NEC XG series I posted about on here a few times (which I eventually did get running perfectly) and when it went to a fully black screen it was BLACK. In darkened room it would be pitch black in there. If a light source lit up the upper right corner of the screen the lower left would still be black as night.

However, I did run into issues with reflections affecting black levels in scenes with lots of contrast. I know that to get the very best out of it I needed a room with blackout curtains surrounding the walls and matte black seats.

Even with this it provided the very best image i have seen in my life outside of a commercial cinema (and still beat meany recent ones I have been to with poor setups).

Still, I don't regret giving away the projector. It nearly caused madness in me re-calibrating it over and over. A laborious process each time, and very easy to screw back up again.

>>5305839
by the way that projector, the DLA-RS40 weights 32 lbs. That is a major reason I am looking at that technology now. At that size I don't have worry about many of the issues involving giant CRT projectors or monitors.

>>5305857
Yeah it won't reach the levels of that NEC you came from. They will beat all the common lcd and dlp projectors you find on the market nowadays though. I don't mean to be a bummer but don't want you to set your expectations too high. The blacks on a LCoS are very nice... but that's for a modified LCD technology.

>>5305843
I don't have any pics but I should probably take some next time I watch a movie on it. They're fairly cheap you know, mine was free and I've seen much nicer ones go for around $200USD.

>>5305874
I rent and currently live in a second floor apartment, so the size and weight make them unobtainium for me atm. But if I could I would get a nice one and build a theater room around it.

>>5305879
They did make some smaller CRT projectors years ago. I don't know what tube size but smaller than the 7" units. 15khz only, fully analog. I've seen them on ebay.

>>5305314
$200 is still gouging. Shouldn't have to pay more than $125 for decades old technology most are throwing out. Hate scummy resellers like you.

>>5304732
>What's the smallest size CRT TV that's still reasonably usable? I'm thinking about getting a 10"-15" CRT to set on my computer desk. Where's the cut off for comfortable use?
From my experience, 12” is the smallest I’ve gotten comfortable with for a “set down and play” setup.

8” can feel usable with a little work, but you’ll struggle be able to go back to it after seeing something larger.

I found a trinitron sm-14n5u for sale going for $60 usd, price seems okay but the listing says it has pic related, is that fixable? degaussing would work?

>>5307014
I would suggest not even bothering with the N5U and picking up a consumer set that has Component and S-Video. Or if you're dead set on getting a PVM, at least wait for one with RGB.

>>5307014
see if they'll take $30

>>5307105
>>5307261
They wouldn't take less than 50 for it, also, already sold. But now they're offering me a PVM1943MD without any problems apparently. They're asking 150 usd for it. It only has some scratches on the front but seems pretty clean from the rear side. Is it a fair price?

>>5307585
>It only has some scratches on the front
Scratches on the glass or case? Scratches on the case are normal and you'd be very lucky to find a PVM without a few scuffs.

$150.... eh....
It's up to you. How bad do you really want one and how much money is that to you? They'll get that for it if you don't pay it. I could see them even getting $250 for it from a richfag who just has to have it. It's an excellent monitor that if it is in good working condition will have a picture that will blow you away.

>>5307594
The scratches are on the case, screen seems fine.

>>5307626
Even if it's an older model, $150 for a 19" PVM is a very good deal. Although I'd still see it in person to make sure it actually works well.

>>5307626
does it have rgb?

>>5307706
It does have rgb, seller said he already tested all the connections and they're working flawlessly, the pvm also just got a "service" done, and it has good geometry and colors.

>>5307727
sounds like a decent deal 2me

>>5303298
So how can I connect VGA from my computer into my PVMeme?

Alright, here's the deal

I found this LG 21FX5RG (pic is not actually my tv) tv for free and I want to RGB mod it by overriding the OSD.

I have the manual here:

http://www.archivotecnicosaurios.com/descargas/tv/seccion_ordenada/12950_Chassis_MC-059A_Manual_de_servicio.pdf (schematic is on page 23)

This is my first time doing something like this, and I'm not affraid of wrecking the tv, and I also know about the dangers of tinkering with CRT's.

But first, I need to know how to achieve this.

So far I know that pins 12, 13 and 14 from the LA76931 are Red (1.6V), Green (1.8V) and Blue (3.4V), info taken from http://selvanmani.blogspot.com/2017/11/la76931-data-voltage-tn-government-free.html

I have yet to find the blanking pin though.

Can anyone give me a hand and let me know where should I tap things and the value of the resistors I should use? I would be eternally grateful.

can anyone identify the monitor being used here? Thanks

>>5307727
pull the trigger

>>5304954
Way to miss the point jackass.
He mentioned SDI so I was Curious to see if he tried the Hdmi Mod in it
Digital will always be better than analog.

>>5305154
I was curious to see the DC on Hdmi on a CRT.

>>5305195
Looks a bit Dot Matrix-ish

>>5305294
>In motion
That's because CRT have no motion blur unlike modern screens. It's all about that persistence blur.

>>5306196
I like your use of that metal monitor stand to put the PVM on. I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled for those at thrift stores because I've definitely seen some before.

>>5307585
Go for it, anon you lucky bastard. let us know how it goes.

>>5306112
If the market is willing to pay the prices he's selling at, I don't see the issue. Your "decades old technology" argument is really strange considering retro gaming as a whole.

Hey guys, got this Ikegami TM14-17R up and running, but the picture seems a little off-center. What's up with that? Do I gotta open this up in order to adjust it?

Gimme that aesthetic.

My BVM has a slanted right top corner. Everything looks fine except for the corner. Is this a cap issue or should i plant some magnets?

>>5308424
What size screen is that?

>>5308445
14

Would you be able to run Component video through an Extron RGB 320 switch?

>>5308665
Maybe I'm retarded, but... how do you plug a console into those weird plugs?

>>5308671
rca to bnc converter

>>5308401
Yes

>>5308764
are there variable resistors in here to adjust or what?

>>5308665
Should be alright, use the R/G/B as Pr/Y/Pb

>>5308318
I got a similar but larger one at goodwill for two bucks
it says Allsop on it

>>5308794
yes, the blue things top right

>>5308794
Expand the photo.

H Cent (Center)
US Width (Under Scan Width)
Nor(mal) Width

>>5309263
kya, how come old movie reel to reel projectors had just one tube/lens thing but the commercial crt projectors I saw in corporate places had a red, green and blue tube lens thingies?

>>5309289
Not Kya, but the answer is "fundamental differences between the technologies being used." They're so different that they really shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. It's like asking "Why do cars have wheels and boats have sails when they both move people around?" Do CRT projectors work by scrolling translucent film tape with images on them in front of a light source? No.
In a surface-illumination CRT display, the phosphors ARE the display surface. This won't work for a projector, because your wall or projector screen (1) isn't a super-charged anode in series with the cathode tube and (2) is not coated in an array of different colored phosphors. Additionally, colored phosphors have less illumination potential than white, which is why the lenses are colored. So, a CRT projector has three separate phosphor sets, each behind their own lens, for red, green, and blue portions of the image, and the three separate images are combined by aligning the lenses such that they overlap on the wall/screen.

Are there any good ways of capturing gameplay with a SCART cable?

>>5309518
not without a fairly expensive capture card that has rgb in via adapter or a normally priced hdmi capture card with an OSSC as an input/output to the capture card and then to a pc

can anyone help me ID the crts in this pic? It's from my favorite show, thanks!

>>5309756
The TV on the top looks to be a Magnavox, going by the lettering, albeit crappy res, I'd go with that.

>>5308424
very comfy

>>5309337
>Additionally, colored phosphors have less illumination potential than white, which is why the lenses are colored.

White phosphor is actually a combination of blue and yellow phosphors. The reason CRT projectors have color filters on some of the tubes is that their output spectrum is a little wider than their target primaries. For example, red tubes often have a red filter to reduce red-orangish frequencies and improve color accuracy.

Do shinybows add any lag? I'm thinking of picking up a component Trinitron and obviously won't be able to use my SCART cables on it

In Germany you can find old CRT TV`s in good condition all the time. For the lowest prices. You just go to Ebay Kleinanzeigen (german Ebay for local markets) and you are set. The one in the picture is a rather high-class (and big) Sony KP-41PX1 104,1 cm (41 Zoll). It costs 10 Euro. You can find stuff like Bang & Olufsen (if you dont have a clue what kind of company that was, google it) highest tier design CRT TV´s for mere 50 Euro. So i guess, over here we are still fine in buying CRT TV`s for retro gaming purposes.

>>5310428
I have one and no, no lag.

>>5308665
you can try it, but extron themselves say
>>6 analog RGBHV, RGBS, RGsB, RsGsBs
https://www.extron.com/product/rgb320
and from my experience extron are quite pedantic about their specs..

There seems to be a small geometry problem on my JVC TM-H1950CG, when I scroll horizontally there is a tiny warping effect that happens close to the left end of the screen, Almost like that portion is slightly squished compared to the rest. It isn't TOO bad, but is it fixable? The set is great otherwise.

>>5309289
(most) CRT projectors are one tube per colour, (most) film is all colour on one strip.

>>5311193
Not really, there's no built in horizontal linearity adjust.

>>5311196
well if it cant be done no sense crying over it That's a shame though.

>>5311065
So are there any Extron switches that are confirmed to support both?

I'll try to take some pictures, but has anyone had an issue like this? Shades of blue (such as the background in a game like 1942 or the UI in a game like Final Fantasy) cause stains, like a burn in, after a short while. The stains disappear when the system is powered down for a bit. This discoloration only appears in these sorts of games with that color.

>>5311273
Most of the Crosspoint, MVX series

Toshiba 32A43, takes component, s-video, composite and RF on a very nice tube TV. Geometry is good but not flawless. Picture is bright and beautiful, scanlines are present but faint.

>>5311438
put somethin on it!

need help identifying the TV in this pic

>>5311448
As you wish

>>5311560

coworker gave me a free trinitron some months back, along with 2 other crt's.

it's in pretty damn good shape, has the remote control. dude who gave it to me is one of those people who really takes good care of their shit, so I imagine it will still have some good life in it. I'll post some photos once I get a camera that isnt total shit.

>>5311527
another angle of the same unit

>only composite TVs on local used market
>hundreds of them
Simetimes I hate being russian.

suggestion for a good 3rd party Wii Component cable?

>>5311718
Composite can still be good. Take them on a case by case basis.

>>5311721
The ribbon style cheapos are fine https://www.ebay.com/itm/283229172131

>>5311732
No interference or ghosting in 480p?

hey wait a second

are there no cheap 3rd party component cables for gamecube?

Is the Pelco PMC21A a good monitor? i've never heard of the brand.

>>5311757
There are not. The gamecube outputs digital RGB over the multi-av out which is then converted to component video via a chip inside the official component cable. So far this chip has not been cloned.

>>5311721
I really like monoprice cables

WILL THIS WORK??!!

>standard PC graphics card with VGA out
>outputting 640x480 60hz RGB
>plugged External video scaler
>set to downscale to 320x240 by deleting every other line of video
>set emulator to 640x480 exact multi integer scaling
>run downscaled 320x240 60hz RGB to JROK and convert to component video
>send 240p component video to 36" SDTV
>native resolution that looks great??!!

>>5310887
Can confirm.
Got my 20 inch PVM for 50€.
And I still see trinitrons going for great prices, altho lately most are wide flatscreens.

>>5311871
correction: I think it will only de-interlace the video so it will be 640x240, not 320x240

>>5311872
The whole "waah I can't find any CRT anywhere" thing is mostly people who haven't actually looked.

>>5311871
Yes, theoretically. It depends most on your video scaler, what do you plan to use?
>>5311874
Probably no good, then. A proper video scaler could potentially do it, though.

>>5311875
I don't know how things are in the US but here in Europe you'll find plenty.

The only reason I was looking for one was because the one I already had ( an old Medion TV) was dying.

I really lucked out with the PVM since I wasn't even looking for one, just showed up in my list and it was 30min drive away from me.

>>5311560
>>5311568
Beautiful.
Is all I can say.

>>5311758
https://www.sourcesecurity.com/docs/fullspec/PMC21A.pdf this was pretty much all I could find, does anyone have anything else? I'm interested into knowing if this monitor has shadow mask or possibly, aperture, since it appears to be a recent model

>>5311871
you need to run a super resolution of 2560, not 640

>>5311871
it would be a lot easier and effective to run an nvidia graphics card with a transcoder going to component or just a sync combiner depending on your tube. then you could just output the actual resolution properly.

>>5311871
It's not worth it. Just use a Wii or something

>>5311893
Looks like a shadow mask tube, Trinitrons are different shape.

>>5311893
Shadow mask definitely, the 450 or so tvl is about as good as the best consumer shadow masks -- think 2004ish Toshiba. Comb filter is good news as security monitors don't always bother with that. Shame there's no component but security monitors have no need for it. If make sure there's no screen burn I'd go for it at $50-60 max.

>>5311893
>I'm interested into knowing if this monitor has shadow mask or possibly, aperture
you can tell simply by looking at the tube if it's not flat. aperture grilles are vertically flat and thus have a barrel shape.

>>5311935
>>5311938
>>5311940
Thanks for the info! also, the tv has only a s-vhs output, is it compatible with regular s video cables?

>>5311949
yes

>>5305570
Wouldn't this still be fine? I'm just a brainlet but I've seen restoration videos with people literally hosing down the internal components.

>>5311871
see
>>5303494

I recorded myself playing Dark Souls III in 1440x1080 on my PC using GeForce Experience. Then I played the video back on my JVC TM-13U using a blu-ray player with composite video output.

The result was very good looking. Other than text being hard to read I would have no problem playing through the game like this. I took some photos and video but none of them did justice to what I was seeing.

I have also been watching some videos on this monitor while I browse the internet. I have a PVM-1271Q right next to it that I have done the same with in RGB. Honestly, it is very difficult to tell the difference between the two when it comes to video at this size.

I think if I showed a layman some video running on the JVC they might mistake it for high definition. Most likely due to the high quality source videos I use as well as the correct level of contrast and brightness. Contrast is everything.

PVM-14N2U for $100 50ish miles from me. This is the photo he uploaded. Are those blue spots a result of the camera or does this look like a dud?

>>5311894
That would be pointless. 640 is enough for every 240p game ever made, and a SDTV is not going to come anywhere close to resolving 2560 across the screen. In fact it may cause some other issues.

Additionally, it would require dipping into custom resolutions and that's a pain in the ass you'd be trying to avoid by doing this whole plan.

This may not be the right thread, but does anyone know of a place to get decent 4:3 rips of old movies? I'm specifically looking for a VHS-like rip of The Thing (1982.)

>>5311925
Wii's have limitations. I'm ready to go beyond them.

>>5312034
Strange question, but what is the oldest "high definition" CRT one could reasonably get a hold of? High definition meaning at least 1000 lines.

>>5312073
It's still not worth it. Use a VGA monitor or something of you need to use a CRT.

>Live in So Cal
>People pick every place you might find a CRT or PVM clean religiously and then try to flip them for $150+ to people looking to use them for gaming

Man, this is starting to feel like it isn't worth it.

>>5312070
>640 is enough for every 240p game ever made
Not entirely true, if you're scaling strictly with nearest neighbour alone. On anything 256 wide you'd get lines of inconsistent width, because 256 doesn't scale by integer to 640 and nearest non-integer has to round shit down.
Scaling width alone by linear, possibly after 2x nearest, would solve the issue mostly. With the side effect of some inconsistent blur instead of doubled lines.

Realistically, how many hours do consumer CRTs last?

>>5312147
And neither are very preferable.

>>5312151
I still use one from 1997. It's the only TV I have.

>>5311560
>>5311568

Retards chase PVMeme when a consumer set looks this good. "A fool and his money are soon parted." has never been so true with hipster bandwaggoners.

>>5312182
The PVM fascination started with a good base and good intentions, but yes it has gone far out of control. I searched out a PVM years ago due to the ease of which I could connect it to my computer through RGB and advancemame/Soft 15khz.

>>5312151
More than you will ever need to worry about. If the TV looks good now and isn't beat up you can expect it to work for the next several decades.

>>5312152
>>5312147
Anon said integer scaling, so this wouldn't happen. However, he'd have to deal with pillarboxes on some games and incorrect aspect ratio. H-size/beam width could be adjusted with monitor controls, but in my experience you usually can't quite get 512 pillarbox to stretch to the edge of the bezel. And CPS1/2 with 384 pixels across would not be able to 2x scale within 640.

I usually stick to 1600, which with 384 * 4 = 1536 which will easily stretch. But I use a PC monitor with those controls easily accessible, not a TV where you'd have to go into the service menu or adjust a pot each time.

>>5312110
There's a guy on my CL who has a huge amount of PVMs he's swooped up from other people on CL and he's get them all for $200+

So, do PVMs and BVMs only support mono sound in and out? That seems like a pretty big shortcoming.

>>5312425
b-b-bbbbut why would you ever route sound to the P/BVM and not a sound system?

>>5312425
If you're going to use such high end equipment then you should probably also have a decent amp and decent speakers to go along with it. Settling for build in TV speakers at that point would be silly.

>>5312434
>>5312445
I guess I just thought I could plug the sound into the monitor and route the sound out to stereo headphones, you know? I don't have a living room to fill with extra equipment.

>>5312070
I don't think you know what you are talking about

>>5312470
Oh, well shit. I think the best option for that is to get a cheap amp with at least one 3.5mm out.

>>5311769
>So far this chip has not been cloned.
It has though. It's what all the HDMI "GCHD" products out on the market use in order to get their video signal. The same project also has analog outs available, just considerably fewer options for that.


And none of them are actually cheap, just potentially cheaper.

>>5312470
You're going to be dealing with line level audio in pretty much all cases for stuff that's being fed into a PVM/BVM; You'd need/want some sort of amp between your source and your headphones anyway. Just grab a headphone amp and you're good to go.

>>5312495
>dealing with line level audio in pretty much all cases for stuff that's being fed into a PVM/BVM
There's no volume control? That's interesting. I know they're definitely designed with video output in mind and audio is a far secondary, but that is kind of silly.

>>5312492
>>5312495
Thanks, I'm not too familiar with audio equipment so I'll look into that. Could be viable after all.

>>5312530
Those outputs are all loopthrough; Not actively managed or amplified. The video outputs are all handled the same. The monitor doesn't even need to be powered on for the signal to go through the output and displayed/handled properly by another monitor/device in the chain.

The speaker on the monitor itself has a volume control, but that's for the speaker on the monitor, not what's being passed through the back. On the monitors which even have -a- speaker, it's really just there as a "yes it's working" rather than any sort of critical monitoring.

>>5312445
>Settling for build in TV speakers at that point would be silly.
Just depends. Some small CRTs have tinny sounding speakers, some don't. When you get to large CRTs, especially large high grade CRTs the sound from them can be excellent. Some of the Sony FD Trinitron sets had built-in subwoofers. Looking at the list the KV-36FV300 and KV-32FV300 would be good choices for /vr/.

My Trinitron remote has MUTING but not the ENTER button, I need to buy another one don't I

>>5312649
what game is this?

>>5312534
As someone who also uses a PVM and headphones, pic related works great.

>>5312083
It would be a workstation monitor released in the late 80s to early 90s. Don't know which one was the very fist.
https://books.google.com/books?id=5kj9fdPQCzYC&pg=PT148&lpg=PT148&dq=NEC+Multisync+5d&source=bl&ots=PxMFMkH0Pm&sig=ACfU3U1ZUCf3jN4S1zIjeajyJYdMBrx4hw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjYoJWHrf7fAhVsg-AKHWH1C2MQ6AEwCnoECAIQAQ#v=onepage&q=NEC%20Multisync%205d&f=false

>>5313005
The trick back then would have been actually getting some kind of high resolution video to play. It would require putting together some pretty exotic and expensive pieces of equipment. And that's if the monitor wasn't limited to 256 color mode at 1280x1024.

>>5312581
All the 27" and bigger models of the FV300 and FV310 have two 7.5w speakers and a 15w subwoofer with a bass reflex box. The speakers are much better than your average TV speaker but not exactly anything to write home about. However the addition of a subwoofer is what really does the trick I think, it makes everything sound fuller.

If you have limited space they're good sets simply for the sound. I wouldn't say it's going to make your hifi setup obsolete though, far from it. At some point I might replace the woofers in my TV with something nicer from partsexpress.

>>5311750
Nope.

>>5312067
>Are those blue spots a result of the camera
Yes, that looks like the rolling shutter effect.

>>5312725
Digimon World 3.

>>5312182
Agreed. I got that set for $10 btw

>>5312801
Okay, so I would just get an RCA to 3.5mm adapter and plug the audio from the console into the amp that way, with only the video going to the monitor?

>>5314012
No, those headphone amps regularly have RCA input on the back. But yes, that's otherwise correct.

>>5307829
Looks like an Eizo monitor, though that's about all I can tell. Almost all Eizo monitors used the exact same case design.

>>5314017
Oh, even better.

Thanks to everyone for all the help. If I can find a cheap enough PVM I think I'm gonna go for it, now that I know I can make one work for my setup.

>>5314135
No worries, glad to share.
For what it's worth, pic related is my setup. I use a pair of Bose Companion 2 speakers with my PVM-1351Q. They're magnetically shielded, so you can use them right up next to a CRT without screwing up the picture. They sound pretty darn good (I'm not an audiophile, but other people seem to think highly of them, too), and they're powered, so you don't need to plug them into an amplifier. They cost over $200 new, but you can find them(as I did) for ~$40 on eBay. They have two sets of RCA inputs on the back.
Two minor downsides: They have no power switch, so if you want to turn them off(as I do, so as not to waste energy, because the right-side speaker gets a bit warm due to it being internally-powered) you need to unplug them. I resolved this with a single-plug surge protector that has a power switch on it. I assume that turning them on and off puts some additional stress on the components, which is why they chose to not include a power switch, but whatever. No problems here.
Also, they're a bit bass-heavy, especially if you have them somewhat near a wall, since the bass ports are on the rear. I resolved this by stuffing a sock into each bass port.
Lastly, the headphone jack works fine, it sounds good with my Audio Technica ATH-M50X's, but it doesn't seem to be built with durability in mind to me. I wouldn't want to plug and unplug things into and from it all the time. If you're planning on using headphones as your primary output, go for the headphone amp.

>>5303298

>>5314192

>>5314190
A closer photo of the speaker. It's not a terrible headphone jack, but it is made of plastic, which would undoubtedly wear faster than the 1/4" metal jack you'd get on >>5312801.

>>5314197
Lastly, here's the surge protector I'm using as a power switch.

>>5303298
Can anyone identify this bad boy? The seller said "i think it is a Sanyo". I recently moved half the country over and couldn't bring my 36inch Trinitron with me because it weighs more than 5 fully packed cement mixers.

Want to know if this one will be decent.

>>5314197
just hook this up to your crt

>>5314226
with this

Why would anyone keep shitty obsolete technology around when we already have superior LCD screens and shaders that make old games look x1000 times better?
To think these people even have a general where they jerk off to awful image quality lmao.

>>5314190
>I resolved this by stuffing a sock into each bass port
my ears weep

>>5314216
Why don't you just ask the seller for better pics of the front and back?

>>5314252
Figured i was bugging her too much and would go check it out myself anyway. But if anybody here can ID it that would be nice. Hope it has S-Video at least.

>>5314241
because old technology is precious and it looks better and its made to run on what its made to run on

>>5314241
that looks like ass

>>5314241
lookin' good

>>5314241
I know this is probably sarcasm, but still.

Latency and strobe motion are the largest selling points.
Common LCDs have only gotten below 10ms total monitor latency in the past few years. But CRTs are commonly accepted as having roughly zero.
Strobe motion means no stairstepping/ghosting in movement. Blurbusters can tell you all about that if you google em.

Then the physical scaling of light as produced by phosphors when hit with energy is much more natural than any digital scaling can go. Scanline focus can be adjusted to avoid painful black lines if you so feel the need.
Same for high contrast and natural bloom.
But those are quite far secondary benefits compared to latency and motion.

There has not been a single piece of technology to actually beat CRTs in all aspects at once yet. If there was I'd fucking jump on that with all my spare money. But no. They've only gotten to "acceptable" tier. Too busy upgrading resolution and refresh rate to care, since those sell better.

>>5314248
Why?

What was the purpose of Dreamcast outputting 720x480 over RGBHV? I can't see a reason to use 3:2 over 4:3 specifically when the extra width was just black. Is there a benefit to the extra width of the resolution that allows the signal to actually work? Where as if it was just 640x480 the signal would not have been detected by the display?

Such a strange choice considering how unlikely many people would be to even notice there was an issue with the games being squeezed.

>>5314226
>>5314229
That's a sweet rack-mount equalizer, but I use what I do specifically because I don't want to have to deal with that much gear.

>>5314487
It's not 3:2, it's non square pixels. 720x480 (or 720x576) is the broadcast standard for digitising SD, same as what DVDs use.

>>5314316
Your last point is wrong. The issue is beating CRT at the delay game, nothing else. You could have jumped ship more than a few times. Color, accuracy, geometry, resolution, refresh rate, format compliance, energy efficiency, contrast, white/black reproduction, etc. You are making up some false reality that LCD/OLED is still in 2008.

Even worse. Plenty of CRT consumer/pro sets that support 480p generally have half a frame or more of delay, with widescreen sets being multiple frames. Some smash bros autistic people made lists years ago of sets to avoid that had as much as 50ms of delay. Even my workout room LCD has 14ms.

Let us be real here. You wouldn't notice the difference between 5 or 10 or 25ms of delay. You just like CRTs last and only benefits. The smug pretend feeling of elitism which only ignorants would agree with. As well as no sample/hold of modern panel tech (which is also now irrelevant as even cheap sets are adding BFI that works in all modes)

>>5314491
You missed the point pretty good there. Did you just google this and that was all you could get? It is irrelevant that the nearest neighbor is 3:2, or that you could only find what wikipedia had to say. I want an actual answer from someone that knows what the purpose is of excess screen width.

>>5314491
240 is their common denominator.
240 x 3 = 720
240 x 2 = 480

Don't look shit up, just answer stuff you already know.

>>5314521
>>5314515
That's not how aspect ratio works when you've got non square pixels, display aspect ratio = ratio of number of pixels * the aspect of each pixel, 720x480 * 8:9 pixel aspect ratio = 4:3 display aspect ratio.

Why 720 pixels was chosen to be the standard was as a compromise between PAL and NTSC standards so that they could share digital equipment.

>>5314510
Pls tell me what TV to buy so I can play light gun games and 3d glasses on my Sega master system

>>5314190
are you sure that the volume knob isn't also power? either by clicking off at min volume or by pressing in?

>>5314510
LCD and OLED motion looks like ass and you must be blind not to notice it.

I use a pair of Audioengine A2's on my pvm. I just have a 3.5mm to rca connector on the output RCA port on all my outputs that is all split so they all run to the same speakers. Speakers are probably overkill for the setup and they have no sub, but they sound great and manage to put out quite a respectable amount of bass considering their size.

Anyone know how to make my GameCube display properly? I'm using an Eon Mk-II with a Wii scart cable to my pvm.

>>5314827
DON'T DISPLAY PROGRESSIVE ON A 480i DISPLAY

>>5314510
>(which is also now irrelevant as even cheap sets are adding BFI that works in all modes)
BFI/LightBoost/etc are a compromise. They may strobe motion, and often do a pretty good job at it. But they drastically reduce static contrast, color accuracy, and sometimes even add a frame or two of delay.
Thankfully TFTcentral and whatnot often test such things both on and off.

If you have a list of decent monitors I'd really love that. Like with 1:10k real contrast (Not dynamic shit, and make sure that can be disabled if it's even an option), actually black blacks, at least 300nit brightness, <=10ms latency, acceptably accurate colors, and strobe motion ON without sacrificing any of that.
I could get over not having physical light emission based scaling, natural bloom/halation, etc. It would suck to, but whatever. That's a far secondary issue.

>>5314827
further proof that pvm owners are generally retarded trend chasers

>>5314827
You people clearly have more money than sense

>>5314827
Your M4(or 54) doesn't do 480p. Feed it 480i and it'll be fine.

>>5314974
what's up bro?

>>5314842
>But they drastically reduce static contrast, color accuracy, and sometimes even add a frame or two of delay.
Jesus, just stop spouting nonsense. Seriously, fuck off.

Everything you asked for can't be found in a CRT either, but interestingly if you actually knew anything about this could easily find it in even older LEDs. You are completely ignoring the mass issues of tubes and focusing on the few negatives of OLED/LCD, all while not knowing how far they have come.

>>5314726
>OLED
>Motion issues
lmao. Poor person detected. There is a reason we are focusing on OLED with frame insertion for vr. Go do some research and stop comparing your poor person experiences at home to what exists today.

>>5314726
>NEW BAD
>OLD GOOD
What is pulsed rolling-scan you ask? You want to be force fed because you are a retard you say?

A cathode ray is about 2-8ms of persistence. With plenty of progressive models having 16-32ms of persistence but no hold. lightboosted gaming monitors generally have 1.4-7.5ms of persistence +2ms of hold. oled has 16.7, 7.5, and 2ms of persistence with 2ms of hold. (this is all fact, look it up kid). What does this mean? You are incapable of noticing anything actually important, and your experience is with lower end sets. Hold is removed with any and all BFI which >>5314842
is acting like she understands, but doesn't. Although it kills total brightness that issue is old news as even QLED has superior (almost) everything to a CRT. Even the highest end professional CRT wouldn't be accepted for HDR, color grading, video scanning, etc. as far back as 2006 when OLED first hit the lower market via Sony for movie production.

I love CRT, but you fucks are delusional.

>>5315119
Honestly I don't think CRTs look better than modern displays. They have a few advantages sure but I wouldn't call them necessarily better looking. And they have quite a few other problems that modern panels don't have.

>>5314704
Quite certain, the manual also makes no mention of being able to turn them off.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/19587/Bose-Companion-2-Series-Ii.html

>>5314827
You'll kill your monitor if you keep feeding it 480p like that.

>>5315119
you can't lump together all those stats as if you will get them in one tv, lightboosted monitor will have the motion blur of a crt but cannot at the same time have the colors of an OLED with which to rival a crt

>>5315119

A cathode ray is about 2-8ms of persistence. With plenty of progressive models having 16-32ms of persistence but no hold

[Citation needed]

>>5315138
>And they have quite a few other problems that modern panels don't have.
Like needing reconfigured at least once a month due to the time of the year. Magnetic fields and shit. Or in many cases, a noticeable whine depending on frequency.

>>5312034
>I took some photos and video but none of them did justice to what I was seeing.
So I think I figured out what I was doing wrong. This video was informative:
I took some photos and video but none of them did justice to what I was seeing.

I had previously photographed my computer monitor running in 1200p, and my CRT TVs running in 240p. I would use a shutter speed less than 1/60th of a second so I would get the full raster. BUT, when I was trying to photograph Dark Souls I was running in 480i. And at 1/60th of a second I was only photographing one field. Not one frame. So I was photographing effectively half of the resolution that I was actually seeing.

So I will have to redo my photography and post results, this time shooting 1/30th of a second or slower.

>>5315119
Good sources dude. Really convinced me.
Do you even understand sample and hold? Have you even owned a high end OLED? (Sony A1 etc?) Because they sure as shit do not have as good motion as a CRT.

>>5315460
record in 1/24th for a cinematic experience

>>5315473
Agreed.

The only remotely modern displays I've seen that can compare to CRT in terms of motion handling are Pioneer plasmas of 8th through 10th gen. Match the drive mode correctly to your source and they're truly spectacular in that respect. Still fixed-pixel garbage so you'll want an upscaler (though the 768p models do a pretty decent job with SD).

t. Anon with two KRP-500s and a 428xd.

>>5314837
>>5314974
>>5315141
How do you find out what resolutions a PVM can handle? I've tried looking up manuals and such but nothing ever references resolutions or whether they support interlaced or progressive scan or anything like that.

>>5316223
Sales brochures generally list acceptable formats.

Get yours at broadcaststore.com

>>5312089
>It's still not worth it.
Worth it to who?

>>5316223
If it says PVM and doesn't say L5 at the end it's SD only. Those were the only two mutliformat PVMs.

>>5316262
>Those were the only two mutliformat PVMs.
Save the obscure ones, sure.

>>5316252
israel and the zionist lobby

>>5317153
>Save the obscure ones, sure.
There's BVMs and monitors from other brands but I'd like to know which PVM models support 480p? There's the M7MDE but I don't really count that due to the 100hz nature of it, it's not really even SD capable.

I know CRT TVs generally output less colors as they get older, but what is a good indication on how bad yours has gotten? I'm using an Advent Q1435A, probably a cheap shitty one. Its color setting ranges from 0 to 60, and the colors look most correct on the max 60 setting. Is that a sign that my CRT is outputting colors more weakly or is it on a case by case basis depending on the source? Using a PS2 with cheap 3rd party component cables in this case.

>>5317637
no idea if this will help at all, but here is a screenshot of the game emulated

I am just about at my wit's end trying to get my PC CRT to work with my desktop computer again. In the past everything worked perfectly fine. Display on monitor 1, 2, Extend, and Duplicate worked perfectly.

But in the months since I have last done this and a couple of Nvidia driver updates something has gone wrong. At first everything seemed fine. Here is how it went

>want to use PC CRT instead of desktop monitor (DisplayPort LCD)
>plug in VGA cable through DVI-I port
>set to switch to monitor 2
>monitor says out of range
>hmm, okay probably didn't switch from 1920x1200 (even though it ought to support that)
>turn PC off, unplug displayport and plug vga through DVI-I
>everything comes on as properly
>play some games
THEN
>plug in displayport cable
>video shifts to LCD monitor, CRT goes blank
>okay...
>unplug displayport
>CRT goes out of range
>strange...
>plug displayport back in, image comes back
>try to switch the two through windows
>CRT won't even pick up a signal, flashes "no input" light (CRT has no OSD)
>try to duplicate the screens, that works
>try to extend the screens, that works
>try to switch again, doesn't work
>try unplugging and plugging in various combos, can't get CRT to work by itself again
>try restarting with CRT alone, picture comes up until logging into the desktop, then out of range
>think "must be bad configuration and it's trying to set to my desktop resolution or something (even though it should support it)
>uninstall driver
>CRT works fine again, desktop comes up, set mode to 1600x1200, everything works normal
>install driver
>everything normal again,
>plug in displayport cable
>CRT goes out, shows out of range
>"power saving mode" window on LCD

tl:dr
>do more fuckery with uninstalling, even using DDU
>eventually figure out everything is fine UNTIL I plug displayport and DVI-I > VGA in at the same time
Then everything gets fucked up. And you can't go back to using just one or the other after that. It will still be fucked up.

>>5317832
The best case I have so far is never having the CRT and the monitor hooked up at the same time. Always doing a hard shutdown when switching between them. But that is a pain in the ass and I used to be able to just keep them both connected and switch them at will with the operating system.

>>5317837
also the only thing I have not done is re-install a very old driver from last year. I may do that but I am just tired of messing with it at this point.

Watching Cowboy Bebop the Movie

On Video CD on Saturn in rgb

>>5314310

>>5317832
I remember having a similar problem with an old 19" NEC SomethingBright.
It was caused by not having a proper INF (Config/Driver) for the monitor, and memory failure of some sort for the EDID on the monitor's side. So it just used the pre-existing config from the other monitor when plugged in.
Thankfully it could handle 1920x1080p60 just fine, so I could change resolution easily in the driver's interface. But any time any program went exclusive fullscreen it would reset regardless.
Downloading or creating an INF that matched its specifications fixed that. I think, specifically, I downloaded an INF for a similar monitor and changed the resolution/refreshrate in that.
Rebooting the computer or unplugging either monitor broke it again, but it was as simple as installing an INF and worked otherwise so that's whatever.

Sadly that monitor died like 2 months after that issue started. The entire screen blared red, with some limited graphics from blue/green channels, and it started whining at a crazy high volume. Really scary shit.
I miss that glorious motherfucker.

>>5317861
>Video CD
What the fuck

Tell me more

>>5317919
Video CD
An archaic format of MPEG-1 video
Needs the video CD card to use but all saturns are compatable with ithe Hi-Saturn and V-Saturn had it built in
Lunar Silver Star Story Complete MPEG Version is the only game that required it

I have official releases of the back to tge future trilogy and bebop
Each movie needs two disc as you cant fit much on one

>>5317941
Its just neat to watch movies on the saturn with an obscure add on

Anybody know about the gateway destination?

>>5317913
I believe you are on the right track because I have had EDID issues with this monitor in the past when I was trying to change resolution in Linux. I eventually worked around that by learning to set my own modelines.

I am not sure if this monitor can even send EDID data. It's a Hitachi Superscan Elite 20 and I've got it connected over the RGBHV BNC input. I know there is a monitor ID pin on a typical VGA connector, but I have also used some other monitors over RGBHV and they didn't have any problems like that nor have I heard of anyone else having them.

>>5317861
Old cel anime with a proper rescan look better overall on modern panels. I know Bebop has some digital effects scenes that look better when viewed on a CRT though.

>>5317952
Fairly sure BNC doesn't support EDID. Tried using straight VGA? alternatively, if EDID is working try disabling it in the GPU settings

I've been looking for a crt for a few days. Came across this Sony Trinitron . Bought it from an older mom. $75.

How'd I do boys

>>5318235
>$75
You got got.

>>5317832
Use CRU to set a native resolution, your EDID is fucked.

>>5318235
oh for real?

I have a dreamcast and a Retropi that I want to use on my old crt. It has composite, svideo and component inputs. Ideally what is the method for getting the best picture from both devices?

>Dreamcast
Is component better than svideo if my Tv doesnt support 480p? Maybe it does but I dont know. I've seen svideo cables for cheap but idk if component ones exist.

>Rpi
It only has hdmi as is bit i've heard that I can convert from the audio jack? I couldnt find much info about it. I've also heard about the retrotink. I've looked into it and was leaning this way - its just expensive.

>>5317861
I watched the entirety of Cowboy Bebop on my CRT last winter, it was fucking comfy and nostalgic as fuck.

>>5318397
>i've heard that I can convert from the audio jack?
Not really convert as such. It has an extra contact in the jack which carries composite video. Use an iPod video cable to access it.

Hey /vr/, what sort of connection is this? Could I make use of it?

>>5318539
Audio, and yes, with a connector

>>5318539
It's composite. Ignore it.

>>5318539
>>5318546 here.

Actually, that EIAJ connector accepts digital (TTL) RGB. It's useless for almost all retro gaming aside from 80s home computers. Ignore it.

>>5318553
So if it's the only available connection I'm fucked?

can get either Trinitron Multiscan E200 or Multiscan G420 for free. Which one should i pick?

>>5317637
If you care about the color reproduction of your set, invest in a cheap color probe/software or at the very least use SMPTE bars to calibrate your set.

>>5318558
Is it KV-1311CR, PVM-1390 or KX-14CP1?

>>5318572
CDP-1310

>>5318559
both

>>5318559
yeah that crossed my mind too but there's not enough space for two so i have to choose

>>5318584
>>5318589

>>5318574
Oh, a rare one.

Chances are it shares the guts from the above 3 models so may be modifiable for composite, s-video and analogue RGB. Would take a bit of work though and tbqh it's a mediocre monitor at the best of times. KX-14CP1 related.

is there any 1080p modern TV that is good for retro games? i wan to hook up a nintendo wii and a mega drive on it.

>>5318625
No

>>5318625
Use ossc

>>5318625
Sure, but you'd probably need an OSSC for the best results.

>>5318625
Nope, at least not without an upscaler/line doubled between console and TV.

>>5318534
Is that going to be optimal? Why wouldnt I just do that to my crt instead of the retrotink thing - saving 100$?

>>5318546
Not him but how would you use it? I can't find any cables for it. Are they just rare?

I was looking for a tri-sync CRT capable of 15KHz, 24Khz and 31Khz. How do I even find these?

>>5318645
>RasPi composite
>into an HDTV
>optimal

So if you have a standard definition CRT with an 800 TVL rating then going by posts I have read in this thread before that would mean it has the capability of resolving around 1064 individual pixels horizontally. Right? 800 x 1.33 = 1064.

So assume this CRT is also capable of displaying PAL video with 576 lines. Would this mean it is possible to create a custom resolution of 1280x576 at 50hz and have it play successfully? A prepared video could be stretched to this aspect ratio that would then be squeezed back to 4:3.

Do you think it would work? I'm just curious as to what the real limit is for these kinds of monitors.

>>5318657
Multiformat professional models are your hope. Or do something like combine an OSSC or a retrotink with a VGA monitor

>>5318654
https://www.amazon.com/Aclgiants-3-5mm-Audio-Video-Cable/dp/B012UFVBGY/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1548266321&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=ipod+video+cable&dpPl=1&dpID=41CsynyI6ML&ref=plSrch

>>5318670
Wrong link? That's not the 8-pin connector

>>5318657
I'll be straight with you anon: you're asking for something a lot of people wouldn't tell you how to find if they knew. It's getting harder to find that kind of monitor. I will tell you that Pentranic made tri-sync arcade monitors.

>>5318665
No, hsync frequency would be beyond the capabilities of an SD monitor.

The enhanced resulution of a high tvl mask/grille is intended to show up unwanted artefacts on a 480i signal, not allow enhanced pixel counts.

>>5318668
Oh well. In my country the only model one can find online are overpriced SONY monitors. Is there any way to easily find those, like a letter combination on the model number? Or do I have to check manuals spec sheets one by one?

>>5318675
What 8 pin connector? The dock one?

iPod videos (5th gen if memory serves) output composite on the 3.5mm jack, just like RasPi 3s do.

>>5318681
Nevermind. Found it on >Reddit

>>5318680
How far can you push it before it goes out of range? I know I have run 800x600 interlaced before.

>>5318682
No, I mean the one in this picture >>5318539

>>5318654
>>5318682
bro..learn2read

Anyone have an idea what size a flat Trinitron that's screen width is 20" would be? Old lady didn't understand when I asked her to measure diagonally.

>>5318690
>>5318691
Sorry, was having two simultaneous conversations and got mixed up.

Yeah, EIAJ connectors are deeply obsolete. You'll be luck to find one. Best bet would be to determine which pins do what and then replace it with a 9/15 pin dsub or something commonplace like that.

Or...just avoid that monitor altogether and avoid a world of ballache.

>>5318698
25" diagonally.

>>5318698
Don't they teach trig in schools these days?

Sqrt((20x20)+(15x15))

>>5318706
>just avoid that monitor altogether
It's a CPD-1310. One of the meme monitors.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sony-Trinitron-Character-Display-CPD-1310-Monitor-Computer-/333019392921?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l44720
Even with the input limitations its worth getting if you are a CRT collector. Analog RGB isn't everything.

>>5318717
Meme being the operative word.

I've got a KX-14CP1, it's shit. One you can't even use like anon's would be even shitter, but worthwhile for battlestation threads I guess.

>>5318725
I used to own a PVM-1390 which looked amazing even over composite. I don't know what you're talking about.

>>5318663
I said crt, can u read?

>>5318397
BUMP

>>5318736
Oh the picture is ok, that much is true. Assuming of course it's been looked after. If not then you're looking at a lot of component replacements as adjustments are extremely limited.

That CPD accepts digital TTL (8 colours) on a rocking-horse-poo connector. It's utterly useless to anyone in this day and age but feel free to be a good goyim and pay the merchant his 150 l@@k W0w r3tr0 bucks for this amazing rare discovery.

>>5318749
Why are you talking about linedoublers (retrotink) then?

$40 for a 15" Compaq 7500 a good deal?

>>5318717
What does the 'digital - analog' switch above the connector do, if you happen to know by chance?

>>5318763
I was under the impression that pic related would let you hook up your pi to a crt using svideo or component. is that wrong?

>>5318776
Oh that shit. Waste of money if you ask me.

You can use a Gert 666 adaptor for RGB (through a cheap YPbPr transcoder if you're murrican) or just use the Pi's built-in composite for free. All that thing gives you is piggy-in-the middle S-Video.

>>5318758
>RGB Input select
>Digital <> Analog
According to that phrasing you should be able to display analog RGB on this monitor. If you couldn't why would it have that switch?

>>5318803
And here's what is probably the pinout for that connector.

>>5318786
I see component on there is that for something else or? Ideally I'd like to use component into my crt.

I looked up the Gert 666. I'm USA yes. What else would I need? I've been trying to figure this shit out all day mane sorry for retardo

>>5318772
I have a hunch that it does what it says it does. Getting analog RGB out of this monitor may be as simple as wiring up a custom cable and possibly including some resisters to get the correct video level. I can never remember all the stuff about video voltages.

>>5318717
>>5318758
Would make for a great MSX monitor if you get a model with that particular output. I know there's some out there

I know many CRTs can accept digital signals via DVI, HDMI, SDI and HD-SDI, but are there any CRTs capable of *displaying* digital signals without any conversion or post-processing?

Hi, I just got a pvm 8040 , I'm trying to connect my Wii using S-video, it works but the video is in black and white, is this normal? I thought the 8040 was a color monitor.

>>5318786
You clearly don't know anything about the retrotink. It's not an upscaler, and it provides YPbPr out.
>>5318813
The poster that's been replying to you is the retard, he seems like a frothing-at-the-mouth anti-RasPi poster. The RasPi wouldn't be my choice for an emulation machine, I'd probably go for a dedicated full-scale computer with a 240p-capable GPU, but the RetroTink is g

>>5318786
You clearly don't know anything about the retrotink. It's not an upscaler, and it provides YPbPr out.
>>5318813
The poster that's been replying to you is the retard, he seems like a frothing-at-the-mouth anti-RasPi poster. The RasPi wouldn't be my choice for an emulation machine, I'd probably go for a dedicated full-scale computer with a 240p-capable GPU, but the RetroTink is great at what it does.

>>5318950
Check your chroma knob, maybe try another source, also I've heard from multiple sources that these smaller monitors may lose colour for some reason.

>>5318959
So how would I go about connecting the pi to the retrotink?

>>5318891
literally impossible

>>5319038
No it's not, chucko

>>5318959
There are two Retrotinks m8, one is a line doubler and the other is this overpriced Pi interface thingy. I forgot about the second one hence my original reply.

As for being anti-Pi, nothing could be further from the truth. I find it great for emulating the consoles I can't be arsed to buy (NES, SNES and PC Engine). In fact I've been tinkering with my 3b tonight as it happens.

>>5319056
Learn how a CRT works fucklehead.

>>5319113
There are CRTs that process digital signals, even taking HDMI.
https://docs.sony.com/release/specs/KDF50WE655revised_mksp.pdf

>>5319241
Of course there are CRTs that can process digital signals into analog for output. That's not what the dude was asking, as he said "without any conversion or post-processing". Digital signals, as is, would not correctly display anything.
>Integrated LCD Rear Projection Television
While it may look kind of like one, that's not a CRT.
Even if it was it's not a good example, because it's not what was asked for. Taking in and converting digital signals is nothing too off the wall crazy.

>>5318707
Thank you I roughly figured 27"
>>5318710
Haven't been to school since 2014 and only remember what I use in daily life lmao

>>5314190
What the hell is going on with that overscan covering up the credits in the bottom right?

>>5314241
Kill yourself.

>>5314316
>Common LCDs have only gotten below 10ms total monitor latency in the past few years.
This is only the case with LCD TV's. Monitors are far less laggy(some come to 2-3ms)
Anyways LCDs(and other Modern Displays for that matter) don't really have lag it's the electronics they're using for most TV's that's the problem.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFh9gMyi0yg

>>5314510
>Plenty of CRT consumer/pro sets that support 480p generally have half a frame or more of delay, with widescreen sets being multiple frames.
No, and get the fuck out.
The only ones that lag are some of those HD Consumer sets from the early 2000s and that's only because they upscale 240p to 480p or de-interlace 480i to 480p.

>>5314842
>BFI/LightBoost/etc are a compromise. They may strobe motion, and often do a pretty good job at it. But they drastically reduce static contrast, color accuracy, and sometimes even add a frame or two of delay.
Technically Rolling Scan on OLED adds very little lag.
MicroLED will be very bright so it will compensate for brightness loss. In fact MicroLED will be perfect for everything other than it being fixed pixel.

>>5315109
It's still not there for actual displays though.

>>5315105
Are you nuts or something?
Top CRT's have some of the best color accuracy.

>>5315119
>A cathode ray is about 2-8ms of persistence.
No. There's plenty of CRT with 1ms of persistence(some medical ones can go upto 0.0001ms or some shit).

Lightboost/ULMB/Benq BR can do as low as 0.25ms of mprt but they suffer from very low brightness.

Rolling Scan in OLED is only viable for VR not for actual displays since OLED has shit-tier brightness.
A phosphor shines brightly at 5000 to 10000 nits for a brief period(that period being the phosphor decay/persistence time) and the electron gun itself is 100k nits.

OLED has shit-tier brightness so it's even dimmer than an LCD when doing blur reduction.
OLED is just a stopgap solution for MicroLED.

>>5319524
Aren't CRTs not that bright normally either?

>>5318553
See the switch there? can be used for analogue RGB too, presumably still needs h+vsync

>>5316116
>The only remotely modern displays I've seen that can compare to CRT in terms of motion handling are Pioneer plasmas of 8th through 10th gen
They're trash and nowhere near close to a CRT.

Lightboost LCD's can do better than any CRT at this point(theoretically so can OLED via Rolling Scan and the new 2019 line-up will have some good BFI but only for 120hz so it's useless for retro vidya) but the brightness is too dim.
We have to wait for MicroLED which will have good brightness.

>>5318553
what is digital rgb?

>>5319530
Instantaneous brightness of CRTs is super high, due to the short persistence average brightness over a time is meh.

>>5317861
Looks fucking terrible.

>>5319537
red/green/blue brightness is off/half/full on instead of a continuous analogue range. you probably wouldn't want to use it, switch to analogue.

>>5319293
Are you fucking retarded?
How do you think modern screens work?
They convert the signal to analog at the end of the chain too sweetie, otherwise you wouldn't see fucking shit.

True Digital Displays don't exist just like all speakers that are advertised as "Digital" aren't actually True Digital Speakers see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_speaker

So to >>5318891
BVM/PVM/HD Consumers sets and such will accept Digital signals if they have DVI/SDI/ED-SDI/HD-SDI/HDMI inputs etc. in them much the same way LCD's/Modern Displays do.
Ignore this fucking idiot >>5319038

>>5319530
Can you even read?
The phosphor shines at 5000/10000 nits for a brief period. CRT's are not Sample and Hold(illuminates constantly) displays so they only illuminate briefly(they flicker on and off) which means that brightness is significantly lower in the end.
The same goes for Lightboost LCD's because Lightboost imitates how a CRT flickers to achieve lower persistence blur.

Basically
1ms of persistence blur Lightboost LCD/CRT is equivalent to 1000fps@1000hz sample-and-hold blur(LCD constantly illuminates)
2ms = 500fps@500hz
and so and so forth

The flickering(meaning that CRT's are only illuminated briefly) is what makes CRT's look so smooth.

LCD's don't have as much brightness as a phosphor(5000 to 10000 nits) or as an electron gun(100000 nits) so the image is far dimmer than on a CRT when using Lightboost.

>>5318969
Chroma knob does nothing, I connected a surveillance camera and it displays in bw too, is my set fucked? Or maybe going through the service menu could help?

>>5319478
My PVM does need a slight upward adjustment, but that game is drawn larger than any other game I've played on the Saturn, I think because it's a direct arcade port. It exhibited the same behavior on a consumer CRT I have, cutting off the sides of the screen a little bit.

>>5318808
well, it would be slightly different for the analog pinout. Hsync would probably be composite sync instead

>>5319597
8040 is old and doesn't have a service menu. All adjustments done are of a physical nature, down to adjusting pots and the like.

Those 5'' and 8'' sets are also known to get bad solder joints quite often and lose color decoding leaving you with a B&W picture. In short, it needs repaired.

>>5319965
Is it hard to repair ? Any guides ?

>>5319978
If you don't know how to solder/get the idea of bad solder joints, it's not something I would suggest poking around at yourself.

>>5314510
Anecdotal, but I remember one time a bunch of friends and I played Smash at one of their houses, and I couldn't get over how much input lag there was on the huge flat screen we played on. No one else noticed, and two of them were getting annoyed at me for being autistic until I showed them the actual delay between me pressing a button and the action starting, which was easily more than 3/4ths of a second, and comparing it to someone else's smaller flat screen which had less lag
And on a later date, when we played the game on a smaller CRT, one of them kept saying the controls were "too responsive", he kept doing things too early since he was used to the input lag
>You just like CRTs last and only benefits. The smug pretend feeling of elitism which only ignorants would agree with
At this point, I'm convinced people think this is how it is because they grew up with laggy flat screens. They can't perceive the input lag because to them, there is no input lag, it's just how the game is.

serious question, would it be possible to modify a superfine pitch or high scan trinitron hd crt to act like a computer monitor? Multiple resolutions and higher than 30-60 fields or frames per second?

Finally nabbed a decent 20 inch crt.

My 2d stuff and some 3d stuff looks awesome. Most 64 still looks like hot ass but it looked like that from the start.

Nice to finally have these off my hdtv.

>>5320325
No.

>>5320093
Was their TV set to game mode? I've tried using some old consoles on both a modern LCD with a OSSC and a professional monitor and both felt very responsive.

>>5320093
>At this point, I'm convinced people think this is how it is because they grew up with laggy flat screens
This exactly.

Different screens may have different "lag" associated with the internal electronics. I don't have an LCD, so I don't totally get it...but if you pipe a 480p image to an LCD does it upscale it internally?

>>5320325
Theoretically yes, would require a looot of modification though.

>>5318397
bump

>>5312445
>Settling for build in TV speakers at that point would be silly.
My Zenith console has amazing built-in speakers. I will say that in my 30+ years of using CRTs, it is the best sound I have ever gotten out of a tv by itself. It also has rca audio outputs, as most televisions do. The speakers are listed at 6w total, but they are loud, have a warm feel, and the stereo effect is pronounced and clear. Console sets seem to have premium sound options quite regular, with some units even having built in sub-woofers. I would be perfectly content to have a set of rear speakers added to the mix, but am already quite happy with the effect.

However, most plastic table top TVs have less than perfect audio, but more than adequate for most users. Buying a PVM is buying a meme, and I can't judge that. There is a point of of any hobby that comes with spending outrageous amounts of money for very diminished returns, and the PVM steps into that pretty quickly. If having a crt requires external sound for a quality experience, I would prefer a larger less expensive consumer set vs a smaller vastly more expensive meme. To each their own however, and I can't judge anyone who enjoys the hobby. At the end of the day we are in it to have fun, and there are many ways to get that outcome.

I was recently given a Panasonic ct-1930v video production monitor from 1985. It works fine but how the fuck do I connect anything to this?

>>5321342
BNC to RCA adapter.

>>5321410
Alright, obtained. I assume it goes in the 75ohm jack, and then the yellow from rca goes in the converter?

>>5321464
Plug it into the input and then click the switch to high unless you have a terminator dongle on the output (which I assume you do not seeing as you only just got learned on BNC connectors)

>>5321504
Like so? (Switch is on high, just obscured by shadow)

>>5321504
>>5321549

you need the terminator switch to 75.
Only when you connect a second monitor you pout it on high

>>5321595
I've tried on 75 and High and can't manage to get a picture to show up on either.

>>5321595
Oh yeah, you're right. Sorry for the misdirection.
>>5321607
Post a pic of the front panel controls? What system are you trying to connect?

>>5321665
Panel controls are top pic.
Screen was white, now blueish (bottom pic) when I fire up the SNES I'm trying to get working on this. Works fine on all my other tvs

>>5321674
Hmm...well you have (correctly) selected the line input which was my first concern.

Have you tried plugging the RCA into the socket below the BNC which you currently have connected? It looks to be an alternative/duplicate input.

>>5321504
>unless you have a terminator dongle on the output
Are these really necessary? I've been using monitors with these switches and looped video outputs for years and never seemed to have any issues with the image as long as it was set to the right side of the switch.

I got a HDMI to VGA converter and it interferes with the Wi-Fi, is there any fix or should I just get a better one?

>>5321824
I already tried covering it with aluminum paper but it didn't work

>>5321731
I tried that as well, only get a black screen. I'm assuming it's audio.

>>5321814
They're not necessary if you have a switch, set correctly, or the outputs are self-terminating (most PVMs). BVMs don't have either so they definitely require physical terminators.

PVM-20L5 pic related. See the little lightning bolt type markings next to the outputs? This is Sony's method of indicating that they are self-terminating.

>>5321851
What happens if they don't terminate and you have it set to 75?

>>5321837
Probably. I've had some monitors where they offer duplicate input methods using both BNC and RCA.

Speaking of audio do you get any when the SNES is running?

>>5321857
You get a very bright image and ghosting due to signal reflection.

>>5321860
No, I do not. Sorry been trapped at work for a few hours.

Some dude near me is selling 6 Apple CRT monitors. All of them are different models but still work. Does anyone have experience with these?

>>5315274
>Like needing reconfigured at least once a month due to the time of the year. Magnetic fields and shit.

Anon, you're really stretching here. Most if not all crt have a built in degaussing coil that literally "takes care of magnetic fields" every time you turn on the set.

>>5318219
>etter overall on modern panels. I kn

IDK man, on consumer sets maybe, other than later hd capable ones, but on pvm they look absolutely great with a dvd or blueray. They look good on modern sets too, but damn if old 4:3 anime doesn't look great on a pvm. It's basically all I use mine for now.

>>5318397
>I have a dreamcast and a Retropi that I want to use on my old crt. It has composite, svideo and component inputs. Ideally what is the method for getting the best picture from both devices?

This isn't bait, do your research at retrorgb.com. DC has several video options. RPI can use retrotink or similar to get analog video.

>>5303298
What is the best crt for the budget?