/vr/ - Retro Games

Funny you posted a pokemon pic, because Pokemon Stadium games still don't work fine either on emulation OR everdrive.

Yeah, I tried to play Pokemon Stadium on Project64 a while back, but it consistently crashed whenever I tried to view the rental Chansey. Figured it wouldn't be worth going any further if it would already crash there.

dumbos don't know how to properly configure the emulator.
thought I still prefer playing on console, some games imo are only playable on og hardware (like f-zero x).

>>5302786
No

>>5303020
The way it's meant to be played

>>5303020
Tommy’s just into cosplay.

>>5303020
looks fine zoomer.

>>5302786
18+ kiddo

>>5303020
>being too old and stupid to set up your emulator with the right video plugins, so you think OG hardware is "better"

>>5303020
why the fuck you want to play Rugrats Scarvenger Hunt.

>>5302790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anr6wG3pa_s
>>5303020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNL4QRPANeo

>>5303820
Butterfree's portrait looks fucked.
In fact all of the little portraits look weird.

>>5303080
Flame on, i'm gone
I'm so sweet like a nice bonbon

>>5302786
It's not 1:1 at all, not even close. You CAN play most games via emulation relatively fine, but only because there are so many game-specific hacks out there that try to fix that game's issues, leading to a giant mess of plugins.
It's certainly better than not being able to run the games in any reasonable quality, but it's not good at all. Compare to emulators like higan and bgb, which achieve cycle accuracy with the original consoles (which isn't 100% perfect emulation but it's like 99.99% and the layman who's just playing games won't be able to notice the differences).

>>5302786
>isn't N64 emulation 1:1
Emulation can't be 1:1, dipshit. That's why it's emulation.
And no, N64 emulation isn't even remotely accurate.

>>5303971
who fucking cares

>>5306160
Purists

>>5306160
I mean, I'm glad it's at least playable now from what I can see on that video, but it still have some issues. Just pointing that out.

>>5302786
Well, tbqh, the library sucks.

>>5303020
>not the superior Rugrats game

>>5306825
Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Road Rash, Blast Corps, Mario Kart, Super Smash, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mischief Makers, Turok 1

>>5306825
That just sounds like you're coping, lad.

>>5305860
Isn't cycle accurate emulation supposed to be 1:1 though? Cycle accurate was supposed to be the holy grail of emulation.

>>5307153
There's no such thing as cycle accurate emulation for the N64, though, and you're still not running the software on metal.

>>5307159
Good thing I never said or suggested in the slightest there was cycle accurate emulation for the N64 then isn't it? I was commenting on your statement "Emulation can't be 1:1 ... That's why it's emulation", but cycle accurate emulation is supposed to be 1:1.

>>5307182
The OP did, that's what we were talking about. Try to focus here, Nancy.

>>5302790
Emulation still has issues, everdrive though? No.

>>5306825
This is really the answer. There's less than 30 games worth playing on the N64, and IMO less than 10 must-plays. All of those must-plays minus Goldeneye have been remade or rereleased on the Wii, Wii U, or Xbox 360/One, so most people already don't give a shit. For games like Goldeneye, they work with hacks in emulators. Doom 64 has the EX mod that turns it into a vastly superior PC port. But ultimately there are 2 problems:
>Mario 64, OoT. MM, Mario Party 3, Paper Mario, Yoshi's Story, Sin & Punishment, F-Zero X, Star Fox 64, and DK64 have already been rereleased on VC, which are the 'core' N64 games that most anyone gives a fuck about
>Not enough people care about games like Mischief Makers or cycle accurate N64 emulation

>>5307853
Lots of games weren't released on VC, Goemon is one of the most acclaimed series on the system by many people. Not to mention stuff like Bangai-O or Custom Robo.
The problem with VC is that you have to play using a GC controller or a classic controller, and neither have a stick as responsive as the N64's.

>>5302809
pkm stdm 1/2 is great if you have the gb adapter and rby/gsc, but i dont even see the point of playing it if you arent going to get the full experience. so, i have to agree with you.

>>5303592
search for reptar on ps1 is the better game. or are you implying that rugrats games are for kids only? ill have you know i graduated top of my ass with dildos etc... tbqhwyf, i find rugrat games particularly nostalgic and my rose tinted glasses are going to have to disagree with you.

>>5307862
Goemon is great, but you've gotta realize that most people don't give a shit about any of the games you listed nor do they care about using an original N64 pad as it's memed into being disliked. We're talking why N64 emulation isn't up to snuff- the real answer being that the vast majority of people are satisfied with VC and Rare Replay, minus Goldeneye, which online is very clearly the most talked about game for the fabled N64 mini + works fine in P64.

>>5307124
only 3 of those games are any good. why you thought spouting about trailer trash bear and ostrich would be a good idea on /vr/ is beyond me.

>>5307870
Isn't it because the main N64 emulators were built around playing SM64 and OOT and also the fact there isn't a lot of actual documentation for N64 makes it hard to develop emulators?
There's a lot of interest in N64, I'm sure if it was that easy to improve the emulators, people would have done it already.
In fact, there's supposedly improvements as time goes on, through plug ins and what not.
But I gotta agree most people only care about the most mainstream N64 games, which is a shame because there's a lot of interesting stuff apart from the usual Ninty and Rare games.

>>5307873
>there's a lot of interesting
there really isnt. theres a handful of great "hidden gems" on the 64, but as you and other anon stated, 99% of people have no interest in playing them. if you payed the creators of pj64 about 5 grand, then you would probably get a very good update, but people dont care enough to throw money at emulator programmers, which is a shame, because they are amazing at what they do and deserve more recognition.

>>5307876
I'm not talking about "hidden gems", I'm talking about games that are interesting in one way or another. If you look into the JP games, there's many interesting stuff a lot of people don't even know about.

>>5307873
The difficult hardware wouldn't be a problem if there were games not working that a lot of people actually wanted to play. Look at how people willed PS3 emulation into existence just because they really wanted Persona 5 on PC.

>>5307882
uhhh, yeah, but theres not a lot of them. we have occasional thread about japanese ps1 games and there are so fucking many good ones. i have about 25 or so on my psp that are absolutely amazing, and thats just the tip of the iceber. theres no way there are even 20 jpn hidden gems for 64. im sorry, but youre just wrong. im not hating on the n64, but it just didnt have a big enough library for turbo autists like myself to really care. although, i would like you to name a few, because i am kind of interested now.

>>5307884
is persona 5 really only on ps3?

>>5307890
PS3 and PS4, but emulation efforts went to PS3, obviously. It also had massive development gains from people specifically trying to get P5 playable. I think that at this point, if you have the hardware to run it, you can already play through it at 30FPS like the original PS3 version, but 60FPS hacks don't quite work yet.

>>5307887
Yeah obviously PS1 has more, although even "hidden gem" PS1 threads often have a lot of Square fanboys posting shit like Vagrant Story as a hidden gen, but whatever. I know the PS1 has shitloads of games.
I'm not saying the N64 has hundreds of unknown games, but it has its fair share.
>i would like you to name a few, because i am kind of interested now.
I should put up a proper list someday but pic related is pretty fun, there's one of these for PS1 (released as "Irritating stick" in the west) but controlling with the N64 stick makes a huge difference in this game.
All the AKI wrestling games always get mentioned so I guess you already know about these.
One series I actually consider overlooked is the Doraemon games by Epoch. There's 3 of them and they're fairly comfy 3D platformer/adventure games. Not as good as Mario 64 or Goemon but still good.

>>5307853
>Forgetting Crystal Shards

>>5307901
Crystal shards is way too fucking slow

>>5307897
i know about all of those games, please make a list before i start scouring the internet for japanese n64 games. i will fucking literally go through lists of games and search the titles for screen shots/videos and game descriptions. you dont know how long that shit takes. i spent 3 weeks looking for ps1 games and snes games, anon!

>>5307901
OK but it was released on VC twice so my point still stands

>>5307905
Too late, im too fucking autistic i will second geuss your list, but still please post it.

>>5302786
It's still real bad. The short answer, N64 has hardware features which greatly increase the number of game-specific edge cases you need to deal with and the return on investment for fixing one of those edge cases is very small or sometimes neutral. Game specific emulator/plugin setups exist because fixing your plugin for one thing for one game often means breaking another thing in another game. As computers get faster this will maybe get slightly better, but the issue is largely how many complex features the N64 hardware handles baremetal which now need to be reimplemented to run smoothly not on baremetal.

>>5302790
Game works flawlessly.

>>5307853
>Nintendo 64 doesn't have enough games

And the PSX does?
I can't think of 30 PSX games I'd ever finish either.

>>5307986
The difference is:
>>5307931
PS1 doesn't have a crazy co-processor. Everything about the PS1 is easier to emulate, from the fact it used optical disks to a relatively low-powered vanilla GPU. That's also probably the reason it had more games.

>isn't N64 emulation 1:1 in 2019
Again and again.
People always spout bullshit like "it works 100%" or "it's better than the original hardware". Except for the NES and SNES, that was never true of any emulators. Just because it "works 100%" for the 5 games you know, doesn't mean it actually works 100%. Emulation has a long way to go.

Now leave, and never come back.

>>5307986
i have more than 200 psx games in my rom folder, maybe stop being a closed minded pleb

>>5308518
>200 psx games
It doesn't matter. I only know 15 or so games, so they're the only ones that exist.

>>5308525
t. zoomer

>>5302790
>OR everdrive

What is with this board and people just pulling complete shit out of their ass? Both games have always worked fine on any Everdrive version, 2nd game has a minor graphical glitch that affects the menus on V2 carts but that's it.

>>5302786
There's weird texture seams even on popular games like Ocarina of Time and Star Fox.

>>5308963
"graphical corruption" != "works fine"
Yeah, it's completely playable from beginning to end, but for a so-called "purist", having graphical corruption on a fucking flashcart is death.

>>5309005
Shut up! It works 100%! 100%!

>>5309028
Huh, I get it but I'm not a purist and never implied I was. Criticizing N64 emulation is beyond a "purist" issue, it's complete shit and everybody knows it. It's been the butt of jokes for years. Your argument would hold water if we were discussing flashcarts for something like the SNES or Genesis but we're not. A flashcart is by far the best way to play the N64 library, one minor graphical issue is absolutely nothing compared to the laundry list of problems Project64 has, and even if you ARE a purist all you have to do is spend the extra 40 bucks on a V3 cart.

>>5309151
With SD2SNES, a flashcart is the best way to play SNES games, too. They added SA1 and Super FX support fairly recently. Not sure about the state of Genesis flashcarts.

There is no reason to get an everdrive, the emu is good enough not to warrant the expenses.