/vr/ - Retro Games

>or is some player eventually going to try and capitalize on the retro market by making expensive, high-end CRTs
No.

Tubes can be repaired/restored if you're willing to spend the money on it of course.

>>5307306
By that time OLED/MIcroLED tech will have been perfected, as will have shaders. There’s nothing to worry about.

CRT enthusiasts are too cheap, that's the problem. And just shitty 13" Korean TVs aren't good enough, they want premium 32" sets with component video when it's not cost effective anymore to produce those.

>the generation after zoomers
>interested in grandpas games

I'm not worried about this at all. I have 2 CRTs currently. The main one I use was made in 2001 and will probably keep working during most of my lifetime, if not all of it.
On any given day in my area there's a handful of CRTs listed for cheap or even free. I also have a Trinitron from the 80s, works perfect, no maintenance ever done.

As for your second question, I think there will be a constant flow of of people giving away their old CRTs for a long time, or selling them for relatively cheap. Maybe in like 100 years we'll see them start to get actually rare, but no one will produce new ones, we'll just see an increase in price and possibly a rise in demand for repair services and parts

>>5307335
>>>/reddit/

>>5307335
Lots of zoomers like retro games, no reason to assume 1oomers won't like em too

There's no way out but suicide at that point

>>5307332
^This. Mmmmuh Wega.

Get over it, that shit isn't coming back.

I really don't see the benefit to using a crt anyways, it looks great on my 65"

>>5307387
I think the biggest advantages are that they have no input lag and it's convenient for older consoles to look great without resorting to emulation or scaler boxes. Visually, I think the differences are overblown as long as you get a solid TV nowadays.

>>5307318
Objectively wrong. I have a few hundred US dollars for someone, anyone, to repair my CRT monitor, and no one in the USA has those types of skills in my area.

>>5307434
>No one based on my limited experience
I guarantee if you really want something fixed, there is a place that would offer you services.

>>5307434
Contact mr. Carlson's lab on patreon. See what he would want to walk you through a repair when you dont know anything, or just what he would want to fix it.

>>5307306
I'll move on. Nothing lasts forever and you shouldn't keep doing the same thing all of your life.

>>5307309
CRTs are cheap and easy to make. If there's enough demand and no other option someone will do it.

Move on.

>>5307336
>but no one will produce new ones

no, we will get crt minis or something similar. a product that says its just as good as a crt, but is over priced and doesnt actually do 240p, just cheap oleds with shaders and lag, but normal fags will buy it up!

I have 6 higher end crts right now and only use one. I'll be okay.

>>5307494
>CRTs are cheap and easy to make.
So go do it then.

Apparently b&w CRTs are fairly straightforward to make, however adding proper colour is almost impossible for a small outfit.

>>5307730
I have no reason to when they are still plentiful.

I hope my CRTs never break.
I've got a really nice big flat screen one with amazing color, but it's too heavy for me to carry alone.
And a small little portable one that is great for taking places.
It's just getting harder and harder to find these damn things. Unfortunate.

>>5307306
Well, since you are the next generation and you think 8K is le epik technology I guess that's what (You)'re gonna do. Personally I expect to have technology that can accurately simulate a CRT display within my lifetime.

>>5307434
>i pretended i spent any effort to find someone who can repair my imaginary CRT
>that means no one in the entire country can repair CRTs
Top kek kid.

>>5307306
ossc/framemeister/retrotink for displaying, but supporting lightgun-games will be difficult.

>>5307309
It will absolutely happen eventually, you shortsighted weenie.

>>5308332
Probably not dude, the people who have enough money to organize something like that also have the financial sense not to, otherwkse they wouldn't have the money..

What's more likely is it'll be like how cars from 1901 are still running today because there are enough enthusiasts to care for them and produce parts. Although, CRTs are more complex than a 1901auotmobile. Just try and read into what it would take to make flyback transformers

>>5307494
>CRTs are cheap and easy to make
well considering that they aren't mass produced anymore, they definitely would not be as cheap as they were. and manufacturers may not even have the means to produce them anymore. weird thing to say when CRTs haven't been made in like a decade.

>>5308350
They still make new (shit-tier) ones in India and China.

>>5307817
That is correct. A monochrome tube has just one electron gun and a flat face coated with phosphor. Color tubes have a shadow mask with thousands of tiny holes and the face of the tube is coated with thousands of tiny phosphor dots. There are three electron guns which also need to be converged properly to work. Although color TVs appeared early on, the complexity and expense of them meant that they weren't near-universally adopted until the 1970s.

>>5308378
You could probably make your own monochrome tube in your garage if you have glass blowing equipment. Color tubes? No way.

>>5308319
Same here. I know light gun games have always been a minority in both the amount of supported games on consoles and the amount of people actually playing it but it'll be a sad day when I can't play Duck Hunt or Time Crisis on original hardware anymore, even though I barely play them nowadays because of my backlog.

>>5308319
Light guns can be made to work on flat panels with some hax tricks like you said, if they're like the NES Zapper. Some other light gun types work by detecting the electron beam as it goes down the screen, these cannot be used on anything except a CRT.

>>5308427
I imagine eventually there's going to be some retroarch plugin that supports gyroscope based aiming for light gun games or Wii Remote support if you have a USB sensor bar. MAME kind of has support like this for Wii Remotes, but it has to be mapped to a 360 controller's analog stick and buttons instead of just werking

>>5307306
>What are you lot gonna do when CRT's run out due to failure/old age?

I will be an old man by the time that happens, and it seems almost certain that someone will have managed to produce a display with similar properties to a CRT by then.

>>5307494
Nothing is 'cheap and easy to make' in a small quantity.

Production is only cheap when you are making large numbers of things. The world is never again going to need a factory in taiwan churning out 500 CRT TV's a day.

Flat CRTs already exist, and seem to have the same tradeoffs that HD CRTs have. That said, you can actually buy brand new ones from China (provided you order in bulk).
https://formeelec.en.made-in-china.com/product/dSZnwmhjyocU/China-17-CRT-TV-17A5-Normal-Flat-TV.html#

>>5307306
I don't know much about TV technology, but I'm hoping that some future technology will come along to accurately simulate a CRT TV.
>>5307332
Yup. I'm just glad that cheap, consumer-grade displays and composite video are good enough for me.
>>5307387
ur mum looks great on my 65"

>>5307306
>What are you lot gonna do when CRT's run out due to failure/old age?
Not care because I'll be dead by then..maybe. I think we're going to be in for a shock when this shit outlasts us. My VCR from 1996 is doing fine.

>>5307332
>CRT enthusiasts are too cheap
lol yeah arcade games cost pennies.

>>5307309
CRT hoarders are triggered and nervous about this definite eventuality. When the manufacturer does their first run of limited edition CRTs, you better believe they're going to be PVM quality, too.

>>5307336
where I am most people got rid of their crt's in 2008, there were many on the street each week for about 3 years, now it hard to even buy one and I see a lot more flat screens on streets now

>>5309581
>people who already have a (x) will hate it when others have (x) too

commie detected. /pol/ is for you.

>>5308347
Not that anon but I read up on flyback transformers decades ago and have repaired/replaced many. Nothing magical or even complicated about their design or operation. What, exactly, did the blog you read claim was so scary?

>>5308350
>well considering that i'm a baby parrot
Considered and accepted

>>5308419
There's a lot of things the average person couldn't make in their garage that people with more knowledge, skills and tools do easily. For example, shadow masks are made (for all those CRTS that totally aren't being made) using high precision laser cutting. Previously out of reach of the hobbyist you can now get desktop machines capable of doing this for less than the cost of a few L@@K R@RE games. Other parts of the system are, or will soon be, easy enough to produce using inexpensive tools. Those mystical flyback transformers were labor intensive to produce after they'd evolved to many windings and little Asian hands were cheap. Today some kid with an aurdrino and a few motors could come up with a rig to automate that. I know it must boggle the mind of kids who can't even change a backup battery but there are quite a few hobbyists out there doing stuff that you couldn't even comprehend.

>>5309851
A flyback is just a winding coil, there's nothing special about it. The technology has been around since the 1940s. But you don't need to make entire new tubes, you just need to replace/repair electron guns, which is the one major component of a CRT that has a finite lifespan.

In the very early days of TVs (up to about 1952) picture tubes were blown by hand, soon they started using glass blowing machines which allowed higher output and better quality with fewer bubbles and other imperfections in the glass.

>>5307689
Right, but that's not a CRT then. I didn't say they wouldn't produce cheap oleds with shaders and lag, I said they won't produce real CRTs

>>5309851
Nothing's impossible with the money and willpower; the vinyl revival saw investment being made in producing modernized presses that are way more compact, energy efficient, and have a lower rate of defective discs than the old style machines used 40 years ago.

>>5308375
>I'm a dumb asshole who thinks they still make CRTs because I saw some at a chinese market.
No they don't. They still SELL them, but those were all made years ago.
The last CRT assembly lines shut down several years ago. The arcade community threw a fit. It was pretty memorable.

>>5310047
Dude not them, but they're making CRTs again in China.

I remember reading about old Soviet hackjob CRTs and how they would sometimes make them without shields making them super dangerous as they can explode like a bomb, sending shards of glass into your face. This can also happen shielded CRTs if they fall or sustain a lot of damage, so be careful out there when looking for and taking care of CRTs.

>>5310130
>I remember reading about old Soviet hackjob CRTs and how they would sometimes make them without shields making them super dangerous as they can explode like a bomb, sending shards of glass into your face.
Soviet Russia has best cutting edge technology, comrade.

>>5307306
>light gun games will eventually become unplayable

This is the biggest tragedy of all. Every other type of game at least can still be played.

>>5310119
No they aren't. No one is making CRTs anymore.

>>5310273
Yes, they are, new ones are being made and they're more compact. You can order some if you want, just use a search engine and you might find 'em.

>>5307434
Casino Slot Machine tech here. We are still required to learn CRT repair even now. It's not as dead an art as you think.

>>5309534
Pretty much this. I can tell you for certain that many NES consoles will outlive every human being currently on Earth with very little maintenance. At worst, you'd need to replace the caps. The caps in all NES consoles should already be dry and yet they hold on.

As for the CRT thing, I'm also most likely set for life and even if I am not i'll be too old to care by the time it happens. Life goes on.

>>5310284
interesting! Any good resources you can share?

>>5307318
Tube repair is really a lost art, I've only ever read stories of it happening like twenty to thirty years ago. And if you think rejuvenation is a real, long-term option then you obviously don't know much about rejuvenation.

heres some "failure notes" for CRT tv:

-pic related is the schematic of the "horizontal drive" this zone is the most prone to failure, theres two specific components with high-ish fail rate the horizontal transistor (Q4012) and the flyback transformer (T402)

-the power supply is another place i've seen simple malfuntions like bad diode, bad power transistor/regulator , bad main power capacitor, all this components are easy to find and cheap.

-the CRT itself is NOT prone to faliure. the main type of wear is the reduction of "emission" (electron emission from the cathode) but I have never seen a full "weared out" CRT tv , what I have seen is oscilloscope CRT with very low emission but that's because it was abused meaning usage at maximum brightness that can even left a permanent image on the screen (kinda like a permanent shadow)

- the best way to protect the emission life and emission characteristics of your CRT is to NOT use too much brightness. i have seen a lot of arcade cabinets with too much brightness (because people percive this as "better" picture quality, this "dirty" trick is still used in stores even for LCD and other modern screens) the way I set brightness is at night in total darkness, I look carefully at the black reproduction, it should be black and not grey-ish this would mean it's too bright. color saturation will depent on each case I don't have a recomendation other than the red color should be well difine you will see it "splash" when its too saturated.

-failure of the filament in my opinion is not a big problem because the voltage supply does a " soft start" of the filament and high voltage (it depends on the turn on time of the horizontal transistor) the filament doesn't see an inrush of current at start up.

cont...

>>5310575
cont...

- this is overkill but I like to use the trick of a exterior transformer, in my case a 220v to 220v or 110v to 110v depending on where you live, if the transformer is the right size (not too big) it will actually avoid inrush currents at start up. not too big because a bigger transformer will allow for more inrush current (normally people will tell you a bigger transfo is better but in this case it's doing a different job) this type of transformer is called "isolation transformer"

-be careful if you open up your CRT tv because the flyback produces around 30Kv (30000 volts, depending on model) and the power supply capacitor stores a lot of energy that can give you a very nice zap...

>>5310312
I think he means actual repair not just the pseudo "rejuvenation" with filament voltage.
this type of repair/rebuild:
https://youtu.be/W3G7b-DcOO4

>>5307306
I heard there are HDTV's now with basically no to minimal input lag, so I don't really care...my crt has lasted since 2006 and it's still fine, so by the time it dies I'll just have a lag-free HDTV to play games on. Though unless I can find one that supports s-video I'll have to fork over the $300 for the Gamecube component cables.

>>5308375
That's only possible because both cunts have giant domestic markets and dirt cheap labor so producing them can still be viable. But even then, you're looking at stuff on the level of a 13" Korean TV from 1992.

>>5310575
>the CRT itself is NOT prone to faliure. the main type of wear is the reduction of "emission" (electron emission from the cathode) but I have never seen a full "weared out" CRT tv

I have a bunch of times. Seen security monitors with almost dead tubes, seen a few in thrift stores as well. Remember one 5" B&W portable I found with a 1977 (!) date of manufacture. Vintage. Plugged it in and the tube was almost gone.

>>5310312
Nobody really rebuilt consumer-level CRTs after the vacuum tube era. After that TVs were cheap enough that it wasn't worth it. Was only done for professional studio monitors due to their great cost.

>>5310616
>Though unless I can find one that supports s-video
I hear great things about the retrotink 2x for Svideo. Just putting it out there.

In regards to the light gun issue. The NES Zapper can be made to work on flat panels with a frame inserter, it's a slight nuisance but it can be done. Other light gun types that detect the electron beam as it's going down the screen are unusable on anything except a CRT.

>>5310575
>I don't have a recomendation other than the red color should be well difine you will see it "splash" when its too saturated

Aging tubes will often also show red bloom because the red guns usually fail before the others due to their higher temperature.

>>5310575
>it should be black and not grey-ish this would mean it's too bright.

I've seen some old ones from the 70s where it was always gray because they didn't yet insert black liner around the shadow mask in those days to improve contrast.

>>5308375
There's also AFAIK a manufacturer in Taiwan who does arcade monitors.

>>5308350
>and manufacturers may not even have the means to produce them anymore
The equipment is probably gathering dust in an abandoned factory somewhere kind of like vinyl presses until they were rediscovered.

>>5310768
Interesting...I guess it works that way, I was told you can't convert HDMI into component, s-video or the like, though, since I wanted to run a PS4 on a crt.

>>5310282
not making tubes, are making TVs using the new old stock.

Are there any good CRT repair shops in the Chicago area?

>>5311410
>not making tubes, are making TVs using the new old stock.
I'll pretend that was a sentence. And no, I am talking about brand spanking new CRTs in China. Did you know that there's this fascist organization with a lot of information gathering power and political clout? It's called Google. They're evil as fuck, but they know how to connect to you to what you want.

>>5311424
Who are you talking about?
Skyworth?
TCL?

All gone m8

>>5311420
Try taking a time machine back to 1965.

>>5311424
Not sure why you're giving him (Yous) to be honest.

>>5311424
You mean this? You have to order them in bulk though.

https://formeelec.en.made-in-china.com/product/dSZnwmhjyocU/China-17-CRT-TV-17A5-Normal-Flat-TV.html#

>>5311550
>You have to order them in bulk though.
Moving the goalposts I see. The point is that it's being done.

>>5309896
Tubes wear out eventually

>>5310047
>I'm a dumb asshole who thinks they don't still make CRTs because I saw some dumb kid say so
Top kek kid

>>5310273
>I'm a dumb asshole

>>5311410
>I'm a dumb asshole

>>5311457
>I'm a dumb asshole

>>5311465
Fuck. I expected as much. 2.5 million people, ethnically diverse, not a modicum of skill or usefulness.

>>5311586
There needs to be a market for it, dicklips, it has nothing to do with your victim complex.

>>5311567
>Tubes wear out eventually
A picture tube is just a piece of glass. What I mean is that CRTs have two separate mechanisms by which the picture is generated, both of which can degrade with use, that being the electron guns and the phosphor. The guns are more likely to give out before the phosphor does, at least on color tubes.

>>5311598
>The guns are more likely to give out before the phosphor does, at least on color tubes.
I can confirm, and like another anon mentioned, it's the red drive usually first.

The shadow mask prevents the electron beam from hitting the phosphor full-force so they're somewhat protected. Which is good because there's no real way to replace bad phosphor on a color CRT.

Monochrome tubes are more likely to suffer phosphor wear/burn in because the beam hits the phosphor full force. However, phosphor on mono tubes can be fairly easily replaced; it was once done by CRT rebuilders.

>>5308332
i believe they are banned because they produce too much radiation. It's violates the law to make one. No retro enthusiast group is going to be able to create something better than consumer sets from 20 years ago without huge changes in power consumption and shielding. It would be a huge task for which little money would be made.

>>5309851
>For example, shadow masks are made (for all those CRTS that totally aren't being made) using high precision laser cutting.
Lasers have only existed since the 60s while the shadow mask-type CRT with three guns had been standardized on by 1954 (after some earlier experiments with color TVs using different designs had been tried). It seems doubtful that TV manufacturers used lasers to cut shadow masks earlier than the 70s. They probably had a press to punch holes in a piece of sheet metal.

>>5311637
It has nothing to do with radiation, the problem is dumping and disposal of picture tubes because they contain lead.

>>5311639
I'm pretty sure the RCA CTC-5 was the first production TV to use the shadow mask/NTSC setup. It also cost a king's ransom and color sets were not reasonably affordable for most people until the mid-60s.

>>5311595
There is no market for it outside China, fag.

>>5311653
Those early color TVs also had an unholy number of vacuum tubes in them which contributed to cost, weight, high power usage, and poor reliability due to the complexity of the things and generating enough heat to roast weenies on.

>>5311667
>whines that they need a new CRT
>ignores numerous threads and posts begging for CRTs in America/Canada/Europe
>is shown where to find new ones
>bitches even more

The Internet: Not even once.

>>5311676
It seems like you can get new HD CRTs from China, not necessarily the traditional analog 480i ones which means...whoops, input lag.

>>5311687
>whoops, input lag.
I'll just install Retroarch, then and use runahead on it. Not even a CRT can resist the almighty Retroarch.

>>5311693
That doesn't matter, you'll still get input lag. Runahead compensates for controller input lag, not monitor input lag.

>>5311716
>Runahead compensates for controller input lag, not monitor input lag.
Listen, Retroach can do anything for retro games. Look around, you'll get told.

>>5311725
Nice cop-out, shitdick.

>>5311740
You must be fun to talk to and joke around with.

>>5311743
Welcome to 4chan.

>>5310909
>I wanted to run a PS4 on a crt
For what purpose? Is there a single PS4 game that would look good/work at all in 4:3?
Bloodborne would look godly on a CRT if it wasn't designed around 16:9, come to think of it. Would probably run better if it had options to run in 4:3, too.

>>5311637
Any nuCRT company likely wouldn't even make proper CRT's anyway. If I had to guess, they'd probably go with a regular flat panel, maybe MicroLED by that point, but with that fancy flexible display technology that will presumably exist by then so that it's rounded, maybe cut off at the corners by the bezel so they're rounded, and with some kind of processor on the inside that adds scanlines and bloom to whatever HDMI (USBC maybe?) image is fed to it. Maybe just scanlines since it's easier and most people won't give a shit.
They're not going to actually reproduce CRT technology, obviously.

>>5311637
>i believe they are banned because they produce too much radiation. It's violates the law to make one.
You got that from your ass.

>>5311598
>A picture tube is just a piece of glass
Well there's yer problem. Ignorance. And inexperience. If you'd ever spent any time around old arcade games you'd know a bit more about phosphor.

>>5311639
>shadow masks are made
>are

>>5311565
>The point is that it's being done.
It is not being done. No one is making new CRTs. They're still selling old stock, but the last factories shut down years ago. Try using Google and be less retarded.

>>5312580
>It is not being done. No one is making new CRTs.
Read the thread, faggot because yes they are.

>>5311956
it's not really something i'm willing to research too much. I might for these threads that come up every few months. Even shitty, foreign made arcade monitors from the 90s have xray protection. I had at least one that had issues when it was triggered
https://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvhvsdtxrp.htm

imagine the hoops you would have to go through today to produce something that knowingly can produce x rays like that. Back then, the benefits outweighed the risks. Now, it's just not worth it (according to legislation, i'm sure).
Of course china does not give a shit about that but your average western country is not going to let some crt memester group start selling stuff like that even if it is boutique.

A crt display is by definition a high voltage device that needs a lot of scrutiny for safety. Those checks were in place at some point but the red tape is not even there to cut through anymore. I don't think such a device would be legal outside of hobbyist grey areas if produced.

>>5312719
Dude, CRTs don't put out any appreciable or worrisome amount of radiation. Your microwave is probably more dangerous (yes, I know that works with radio waves). Are they loaded with enough juice to kill a man dead? Yes, but so do many devices, so be careful.

>>5311716
>i'm angry and dumb
No, that's not how things work. Runahead can compensate for monitor input lag.

>>5311945
this is the only thing i've read that seems reasonable. A low-lag, "perfect" geometry, 4:3 display that re-imagines the crt experience using a molded OLED type display is the only thing plausible. Maybe there's some analog to digital conversion stuff inside that that allows you to hook up your old systems using the rf->rgb spectrum of quality. Obviously, there's some scanline/filter options for different systems and you mark it just above pvmeme prices for that time (maybe 10 years in the future) at $2000 and advertise it as a new, no maintenance, plug and play solution for retro gaming.

>>5312738
oh yea, to be clear, i really do not care about crt radiation. I sit 2ft from a 25 inch zenith super system from 1987. The solution for most "xray protection circuit issues" in the arcade community is to short the circuit and see what happens. Old components perform out of spec and that's all there is to it. The topic of the thread was about making modern CRTs. I think it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to attempt such a thing.

Now, if you get a glass guy to make some tubes and you want to get some nutty analog specialist to hack up a design and put it together, then yes, it will work. Good luck selling the thing though.

I think there's a disconnect between theory and reality. Yes, you can always make a crt-type display. We made them with much more primitive technology. The first color tvs came out 70 years ago. It's not some magic, lost technology.

>>5312750
Not him but man, holy shit this has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen posted on 4chan if not the internet in general. A grown adult to not even understand the most basic possible thing, that is truly shocking.

Runahead does not have anything to do with monitor input lag. It is true that if you're running emulation via HDMI output there won't be input lag like if you're using a native console (duh).

>>5307345
is this that scene from Videodrome?

>>5312837
That's from The Terminator.

>>5312805
>holy shit this has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen posted on 4chan if not the internet in general. A grown adult to not even understand the most basic possible thing, that is truly shocking.
The irony. Let me explain, since you obviously don't use emulators. Runahead can be configured to compensate for monitor input lag. In fact, that's one of the main things it's designed to do, according to its programmers. For more information you can read about it on emulation forums.

>>5312852
Why make shit up? You are confusing fundamentally different things. Runahead is to do with controller input, it has nothing to do with monitor input lol. Also as I said there is no significant video input lag if the emulation is already outputting HDMI.

Runahead is simple. It takes inputs as is, saves state, then runs the game ahead the numbered amount of frames. It then displays that frame before loading the state to take new inputs for the next.
If you set it to run ahead more frames than the game itself buffers input/output for then you'll run into some weird temporal artifacting or rubber banding whenever changing inputs.
Because at that point it would basically be showing "N frames into the future IF inputs stay exactly the same as right now"
If you only enter the amount that the game buffers naturally, then it will only fast forward that buffering. Meaning it doesn't actually need any more input than the first frame, as all other input would be delayed before displayed.

So you could indeed run it farther ahead than buffering, showing quite a bit into the future, but it would be fucking weird and awkwardly unresponsive to changes in inputs.
But it won't actually get rid of monitor lag. Even if it can push past it awkwardly.

I hope that makes sense. You're both fags though.

>>5310909
>I was told you can't convert HDMI into component, s-video or the like
lol
>since I wanted to run a PS4 on a crt.
but why
>>5311693
>tats everywhere
peak daddy issues

>>5312781
>>5312719
So it seems the problem isn't that there's no market demand for the things, it's government regulation garbage. Go figure.

>>5313646
Because I only have a crt. And you can't convert HDMI to component, but you can convert component to HDMI.

>>5313656
It is not "garbage". The US is way too lax on regulations all the time resulting in people getting poisoned and killed already. You're garbage.

>>5313646
Read the file name. :)

>>5313912
>you can't convert HDMI to component, but you can convert component to HDMI.
what do you gain by saying retarded things like this?

>>5307306
>some player eventually going to try and capitalize on the retro market by making expensive, high-end CRTs?

Never. TVs only ever got affordable because of large scale production and TV ads. The best possibility is for nip corporations to restart research on plasma TVs again.

>>5307335
>muh zoomers/boomers
>>>/pol/

>>5308319
>>5308434

Buy non-retro real lightgun arcade cabinets. Those use LCD screens or rear projection. Lightguns were a mistake anyway.

>>5307306
Nothing. We will just have to endure a decade or so more of morons wanking how superior CRTs are and then people will forget what they even used to be.
Consider the following - floppies are nowdays "save icon", without understanding what said icon represent. It's been barely a decade since floppy drive stopped being standard equipment

>>5315576
Floppies came in PCs long after they were obsolete and anyone still used them. They've been obsolete for 20 years now.

I'll just stick with a Framemeister.
I was very happy with the one I had.
I hope to get another one in the future.

>>5314737
All I'm saying is what I've been told, so unless you have evidence to the contrary of what I said, then what are you even trying to say? I was told you can't convert HDMI to a lower resolution, so you can't use it on a crt with some converter...then a guy literally in this thread said there are converters that convert non-HD to HDMI and I looked it up and they exist...so if you don't want to google and act retarded, be my guest, but my facts are in order.

>>5315787
>I was told you can't convert HDMI to a lower resolution
now you're saying something different too. component supports hd resolutions so if you were converting hdmi to component, which is possible, you wouldn't need to scale the resolution. and video scalers exist too. you use the word fact when spewing non-fact that you've "been told", go do your own research moron.

>>5315787
>all i'm doing is parroting
And that's why people are calling you a fucktard

>>5312719
>imagine the hoops you would have to go through today to produce something that knowingly can produce x rays like that.
>>5312738
>CRTs don't put out any appreciable or worrisome amount of radiation.
CRT projectors are another story. Note the radiation symbols on this Electrohome Marquee - that's an actual lead radiation shield needed because of the higher voltages needed for projection electron beam. These had health significant rad levels near the tube faces.

I read a message on the AVS CRT pj forum from a tech that had suspicious lesions on his lungs from aligning these PJs for years at close range.

Again, this doesn't apply to 1 tube direct view monitors but it's interesting in the context of talking about the safety crazy nanny state we are in now - an old CRT pj mean business.

>>5316491
got anymore info on this? shit sounds fucked m8

>>5317043
Beefy HV power supplies like this, at high potential, split into 3 tubes to make as bright a raster as possible (you need sunglasses to look into the raster when adjusting). The beam in a PJ CRT has been known to crack the tube if deflection fails from the hot spot, and the tubes are liquid cooled.

I don't believe the glass is leaded either, as you don't sit that close to the projector. Hence the decent amount of X radiation where the beam strikes the phosphor, but it drops off as per the inverse square rule so you have to be fairly close for problems (like someone working on the things all the time).

>>5315604
... so is CRT

>>5317108
>The beam in a PJ CRT has been known to crack the tube if deflection fails from the hot spot

idk what this means

>and the tubes are liquid cooled

What?! I dont see any water cooling on any of this though?

>>5317258
There's glycol goop between the face of the CRT and the lens to dissipate heat. If the beam gets stuck in one spot it can potentially get so hot to break the glass.

>>5317391
is it clear?

>>5317773
can be clear or can have some dye added to improve colour especially for the red and green tubes to reduce how much yellow gets through.

>>5307306
Jokes on them, I'm hoarding like twenty Trinitrons. Gen Fortnite can rent them for a monthly fee and pay an exorbitant charge when they fail.

It sucks, and I wish there was a solution to make more CRTs but I can't think of a way myself. As someone said govt. regulations and cost seems to keep it out of feasibility to produce brand new ones, and rejuvenation only works for so many people for so long.

I'm not even particular about it, I'd be happy to play on emulation providing it was set up nicely, but I do hate to see any technology or unique things go away.

Can VR be something of a solution? Within a VR headset can you emulate a CRT experience, minus the zero-lag? Someone posted a video here of a Zelda game running in VR on a faux CRT and it looked pretty good. I imagine with some work and demand you could make something pretty close?

>>5318028
>lobby Washington to get rid of inane regs
>profit

>>5318028
>lobby Washington to get rid of inane regs
>profit
All we need to do is pay off some corrupt politicians. :^)

I doubt anyone is going to go and send the black helicopters to arrest some neckbeard restoring CRTs in his garage as a hobby project. The amount of money spent in doing so exceeds anything that would be gained from it.

OLED's a pretty good alternative.

>>5318968
Fixed pixel garbage with no analogue inputs

>>5318028
>I can't think of a way myself
>Can VR be something of a solution?
Yup. You really can't think.

4k oled with shadow mask crt filters and runahead/frame delay settings gives you a better experience than a crt, for anything pre-N64 anyway. You get the crt look, perfect blacks, better color accuracy and comparably low input delay thanks to runahead, all without the wonky geometry issues crts are plagued with

Runahead just isn't currently feasible with any of the decent n64 cores so there's still too much input lag on that front. But for NES to PS1 there's really no reason to use a crt if you can afford a modern oled unless you're diehard on original hardware

>>5318829
That solves one part, the next is cost of production and logistics for things that weigh a ton, are big and have low demand.

>>5319340
>have low demand.
Why would you say that since CRT's are proven to increase penis size? Just making the point that if the marketing is right, anything can happen. Look at vinyl records. People said they were never, ever coming back. I see huge offerings in stores now. Real stores.

>>5319230
I'm talking about pure visuals, I figure it's easier to 'fool' yourself into making the picture look more like CRT that way than on a standard LED screen. This is from EmuVR

>>5319346
You're not wrong on that front, I guess it's not unreasonable for CRT to come back. I don't know much about vinyl, but isn't the process to create it and the players much less complex than a CRT television?

Someone should hit up Mivar in Italy, I think they still have their CRT factory not in use somewhere.

>>5319356
>I don't know much about vinyl, but isn't the process to create it and the players much less complex than a CRT television?
Of course it is, but if there's enough demand, someone will find a way. The time would be nowish, though, right?

>>5317972
so do the individual tubes in projector crts have slot masks or aperture grill or are they just bare glass?

>>5319356
CRTs are complex and difficult to produce if you want what most collectors want which is a premium brand 2000s set with component inputs. Anyone can shit out trash-tier 13" sets with RF input only.

>>5319356
>I guess it's not unreasonable for CRT to come back.
Moreover, anon, I think they could come back if the size was kept under say 25" because anything larger starts to become a nightmare. New CRTs that are between 13"-19" on the other hand may be far more doable in every sense from production to sale. No one wants to lug a 32" CRT. I got one and it's cool, but it sure as fuck doesn't get moved much whether I like it that way or not.

>>5319350
Looking at that, I don't think they understand the concepts of variable width with brightness or halation. It's just a mask that scales in brightness alone. Not exactly pleasant to see.

>>5319372
>Moreover, anon, I think they could come back if the size was kept under say 25" because anything larger starts to become a nightmare

A lot of the bigger CRT TVs had 100 degree tubes to reduce their bulk.

>>5319381
100 degree tubes?

>>5319381
>A lot of the bigger CRT TVs had 100 degree tubes to reduce their bulk.
Now you're speaking to things I admittedly know nothing of. Is it that significant and can you explain? I would think that the screen size alone makes for an awkward "box" for the TV to work with.

>>5319384
Tubes with a 100 degree deflection. Common with bigger TVs because the tubes were shorter and not as bulky as 90 degree tubes. The disadvantage of this was that the picture blurs more towards the edges of the screen since the electron beam hits the phosphor at a shallower angle.

Typical example. You see how stubby the back of the TV is.

>>5319398
>proscan
>runs interlaced video

allofmywhat.com

>>5319398
Yes, and those suck ass. Their weight displacement is now in an extremely awkward position. It's a nightmare on models larger than 27" tops and 27" is starting to get nuts already. My 32" one is one of those and it's a nightmare to move.

>>5319407
The pictured TV is mentioned in the filename as being a 1999 model so it's still a regular old fashioned 480i set, not an HD one.

>>5319398
*Also, because most of the weight of the is now in one spot, the back end stand to be damaged more easily and is not a substantial place to grasp the thing when moving it, not without severe pain, so wear gloves.

>>5319408
I used to have a 27" with a 100 deg tube. It was fairly bulky but I don't recall it being too difficult to move. A 32" might give you a hernia though and I also encountered a 36" JVC in a Salvation Army once, that was a monster. The scanlines were as thick as your thumb.

I have an old 13" Sears set from the 70s. It has a carrying handle but even a tabletop set like that is surprisingly hefty, it weighs about 15-20 pounds. It's shit, but unfortunately the only CRT TV I have left.

>>5319407
Thomson dropped the Proscan name in the early 2000s, it has never been used on HD or flat panel sets to my knowledge.

Thomson closed their CRT plant in Indiana in 2006. Some disgruntled worker started a fire and a bunch of tubes were destroyed.

>>5319421
Like this one?

>>5319372
>New CRTs that are between 13"-19" on the other hand may be far more doable in every sense from production to sale.

Also problem is you can't just do RF only if you made a new one, people today would expect component/HDMI.

>>5319446
>only if you made a new one, people today would expect component/HDMI.
No, not when there's demand now to make TV's with RF and composite [sic]. It's just like vinyl records. Sure, LCDs offer a much sharper picture, but the CRTs have that warmer sound errr I mean visuals, man. Pretty much. Yes, CRTs are a must for classic gaming, but I'm not going to go nuts.

>>5319442
No it's one of these things. Not my TV, but same model.

>>5319451
Vintage.

>>5319451
I owned a similar B&W model and it was my first TV. It was handed down my grandparents and even though it was in black and white, I still liked it. I clearly remember happily watching Star Wars on that thing and it being just black and white didn't faze me in the slightest, although it probably helps that Darth Vader and the stormtroopers, space, ships; etc were mostly black and white anyway. Having other color TV sets didn't seem to detract from it, just having a TV set of my own was mind-blowing.

>>5319451
I owned a similar B&W model and it was my first TV. It was handed down by my grandparents, and even though it was in black and white, I still liked it. I clearly remember happily watching Star Wars on that thing, and it being just black and white didn't faze me in the slightest, although it probably helps that Darth Vader and the stormtroopers, space, ships; etc were mostly black and white anyway. Having other color TV sets didn't seem to detract from it, just having a TV set of my own was mind-blowing.

Actually it's a funny story how I got the thing. When my sister was 12 or something she wanted a TV so she could hook up her PS2 in her bedroom or something and she and my mom were at a Goodwill or something and she just grabbed the first TV she saw on a shelf even though a trash Korean TV from the 90s would still be better than anything you could get from the 70s.

She was kind of flummoxed when she got it home and found she couldn't hook her PS2 up to the screw terminal antenna jacks on the thing. Eventually I guess we dug out the RF switch from her old PS1 and connected it with an old Atari-style switchbox. She booted up Spyro or something, played it for 5 minutes, and decided the TV sucked, so she never bothered with it again.

I actually watched the news coverage of the Columbia shuttle disaster on that thing, back in 2003 you could still watch OTA TV on it simply by unfolding the antenna and turning it on.

>>5319451
I think that thing was my first ever TV. A 1978 Sanyo color TV.

>>5319473
It's a rebranded Panasonic, not a Sanyo. The color is bleached as shit, blacks are gray, and the convergence is also shit because it has old-fashioned delta guns instead of the more modern inline ones.

>>5319479
Mine had a Sanyo logo but the frame was exactly the same. Licensed build maybe? I got it in the mid 80s and it already had severe problems with ghosting and color banding.

>>5319435
any more info on that?

>>5319479
I'd love to use this TV of yours as evidence against CRT autists who go on against mmuh blacks.

>>5319479
I guess this is evidence against CRTfags going on about mmuh blacks.

>>5307306
I suppose we could order 320x240 MicroLED panels...but we'd be shit out of luck for 480i games and those weird resolution games for arcades.

>>5319568
I find that tuning the picture and brightness down to just below the threshold for graying out the blacks it just right. If it's turned down where even dark greens are now black, I've gone too far.

>>5307309
>>5309581
Ikegami still produces professional CRT monitors.
They will cost you 10k minimum though.

>>5307306
When will we get Holographic Displays already?
Those would solve every fucking problem DAMMIT!

>>5319582
I thought they do or did produce security monitors as well, but those may be flat panels now.

>>5319582
>Ikegami still produces professional CRT monitors.
>They will cost you 10k minimum though.

Also they're probably made in Indonesia to keep costs reasonable. I know Sony used to make professional CRTs there, but they shut the plant down and sold the equipment to an Indian company.

>>5309724
You mean /leftypol/ right?

>>5319568
Nah it's just an ancient 70s TV from back before they started putting black outlines around shadow masks to improve contrast.

>>5319582
you got proof on this?

>>5311687
>HD CRT's means input lag
>this utter stupidity again
You fucking idiot. Not every HD CRT is made the same.
There were plenty of HD CRT's with no lag. PC CRT's literally had no lag and they could do higher than 1080p resolutions.
Seriously kill yourself.

>>5319675
That's because PC monitors aren't trying to upscale a 480i signal.

>>5315428
>This plasma zoomer
Plasma is fixed-pixel dogshit.

>>5319224
Analog inputs should all get the fuck anyways.
Every console should be modded with HDMI to get digital 240p out of them. The only exception would be the NES due to its color palette.

The only problem are the fixed pixels.

>>5319675
Well, I'm pretty sure he's referring to CRT HDTVs, not PC monitors. Many of those function like LCDs, in that they always scale to a base resolution, like 1080i, rather than directly outputting the input.
The idea being so that they can scale and filter the image to make it look, well, not low resolution. To get rid of visible black lines and make things look ``sharper''(With tons of ringing). Designed for television, not games.
Now not all of them do that, of course. But a bunch do. Like most of the ones I've used personally.
>they could do higher than 1080p resolutions
Hell yeah they could. Best I had a 23" Eizo one that could hit 2400x1800p60, and that was amazing. Though I used crazy high refresh rates on low resolutions far more often for games, and stuck with 1280x960p120 for desktop/browser use.

>>5319687
And not all HD CRT's do that either. It varies from model to model.
Don't just blindly assume that every consumer HD CRT is the same because they're not. There were tons of HD consumers sets which did upto 1080i or some of them could go only up to 720p and could do 240p and didn't upscale anything.

It's the same with computer monitors...although most of them were minimum 31khz but some older models could do 15khz.

>>5319782
>Many of those function like LCDs
Yes but not all of them do. There were many HD CRT's and in fact only the newest ones upscaled shit. Most of them only upscaled 15khz resolutions(such as 480i)...some of them deinterlaced shit.

In a few of them you can potentially disable that shit too and get 15khz support.

The honest truth is that modern TVs/Monitors+shaders are more than enough for the majority of cases. CRT hunting is more of a passtime for people with space and money, especially PVM hunting.

>>5319802
Figures a commie would have an opinion this shit.

>>5319802
nah man . i plugged my n64 into a regular flatscreen today and there was a noticeable delay
that's why i have 3 CRTs . just in case

>>5319802
>autists seeking outdated visual technology is part of a system that kills, starves, and creates massive inequality
rely maks u thnk

>>5319809
I say "especially PVMs" because most people played on dogshit 20" CRTs, or, if you were lucky, a nice consumer trinitron, over S-Video/RCA/coaxial.

It's like buying monitors to listen to music.

>>5319821
>>>/pol/

>>5319825
even a shitty one is still dope / hipster

>>5319350
>a standard LED screen
What exactly do you think is in your VR headset kiddo?

>>5319364
>i know nothing about how CRTs work

>>5319391
If I were designing this hypothetical overpriced hipster CRT for a kickstarter I'd use a repeller to get a near 90 degree angle and a very thin tube

>>5319617
Go check their website. Don't come back until you're 18

>>5315787
http://scanlines.hazard-city.de/
https://www.retrorgb.com/tag/downscaling

>>5319863
If I had space, I wouldn't mind copping a tiny PVM and putting it in a den.

>>5319886
just did, saw nothin on crts

>>5319845
Yeah, no. You or someone else where the one who made the asinine connection between CRT TV eventually becoming luxury items, and how many deaths are supposedly attributed to communism. It would be just as retarded if someone in North Korea bitched about how corrupt their government was and posted a similar infographic about communism, when corruption is a problem everywhere.

>>5319802
>>5319825
Y'know, people like to counter commies with "hurr durr capitalism made the video games u love so much" but fuck it there's more vidya out that I'll like than I'll ever be able to play before I die so shit man communism now why the fuck not

>>5321517
>so shit man communism now why the fuck not

back to plebbit, /leftypol/ or whatever discord you crawled out from under

>>5319363
No mask needed in 3 tube projection CRTs, the tubes are monochrome phosphors and it would be pointless, hence bare glass.

>new Ikegami CRT broadcast monitors
>>5319971
>just did, saw nothin on crts
Here you go, for $11000 you can have a brand new one: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/632863-REG/Ikegami_HTM1990R_HTM_1990_R_19_HDTV_SDTV_Multi_Format.html

The TM20-80rh I have has a Panasonic crt, and Matsushita and other Japanese lines are long shut down. I can't see any other source for the high end tubes with broadcast phosphors and shit they need, so they are probably making them with new old stock inventory crts.

>>5321640
>making them with new old stock inventory crts.
Undoubtedly. Also, given the target market, these will never be knocked out on clearance so anyone wanting to buy one better get saving.

>>5321670
What proof do you have that they're NOS?

>>5321640
Like someone else said, probably in Indonesia. Sony used to make broadcast Trinitrons there before closing the plant and selling the equipment to India.

>>5321640
>>5321670
>>5321673
You'd have to check the date of manufacture on the back of the monitors. If it's something like March 2004, we can safely assume it's NOS.

Didn't Panasonic finally give up on plasma or something? They pushed it for the longest time.

Me, I'm unconvinced that any new CRTs are being made except maybe some total garbage ones in China and India.

>>5321673
Someone needs to take the $11k hit and look at the tube to be sure. Barring that, we can assume this to be the likely case. Ikegami is pretty nuts about sourcing Japanese components - my TM20-80 manual has the country of origin for everything down to a resistor, nearly all Japan. It's just improbable they would find tubes meeting their specs at the last remaining (supposedly) facilities in China or shit.

Mikado Seisakusho seems to be the last running CRT factory in Japan, but they just make projection CRTs and very expensive tubes for exotic applications:

http://www.mikado-seisakusho.com/04_ecrt.html
http://www.mikado-seisakusho.com/04_crt.html

>>5321640
>The TM20-80rh I have has a Panasonic crt, and Matsushita and other Japanese lines are long shut down.
Hmm, the manufacturing equipment is probably still there and gathering dust in the back of a closed down plant.

>>5321686
There's a 4 week wait to get one from B&H, so they could be in Ikegami inventory. Or they have the tubes in old stock and still have a line making the monitors new. As you say, the date would be telling for the chassis at least, but the label on the CRT would be even more interesting.

>>5321696
We established it earlier in the thread that there are new CRT TVs being made in China and someone linked it as proof but they're also HD CRTs and not traditional 480i ones.

>>5321697
That used to be the case with Sony but starting in the 90s they outsourced manufacture of lower end products to Third World countries and as someone pointed out, even their pro studio CRTs were made in Indonesia.

>>5321713
Ikegami monitors are really a sleeper display in terms of popularity. Sony PVM/BVM gets alot of hype, but Ikegamis are incredibly solid. Literally, my TM20-80 has the bezel frame around the tube made of solid cast metal.

For every 10 or more sony's there was like 1 Ikegami sold, based on how few surface so they are a bit more scarce. It's been forever since a 20 inch broadcast one came up on eBay. Curved tubes make for a true arcade/retro look, but I know some prefer the flat Trinitron geometry.

I only paid like $100 for my TM20-80rh like 10 years back before the market went nuts and feel like it's a treasure for all time.

>>5321727
That's because they've never made consumer products like Sony so they do not have as high a profile among normies.

>>5321727
>>5321732
Same goes for Barco and Hantarex.

The W0w l@@k r3Tr0 rArE set don't seem to have such a stranglehold on those brands yet they're easily on par if not superior to Sony's offerings.

>>5321517
>>5319802
>>5319825
Hide your power level, comrades.
>>5321705
>We established it earlier in the thread that there are new CRT TVs being made in China
No we didn't. Everyone knows they're still selling CRTs. They're all using old leftover tubes from before the assembly lines shut down. No new tubes are being made.
Too many people are are fucking idiots who don't understand this and assume that a product is still being manufactured if you can still buy it somewhere.
>and someone linked it as proof but they're also HD CRTs and not traditional 480i ones.
They aren't even good for /vr/ or light guns then. Bummer. Good for later systems though, assuming you're obsessed with CRTs.
>>5321701
>Hmm, the manufacturing equipment is probably still there and gathering dust in the back of a closed down plant.
Maybe, but CRT manufacturing isn't just automated, it involves a lot of delicate and skilled hands-on work to tweak the tubes. There's an art to it. You'd need to find people who still know how to do it, and there are very few left.

Some classic arcade games like Donkey Kong had Ikegami monitors, Nintendo had some kind of partnership with them back then.

>>5321746
If you count Indonesian sweatshop laborerers paid $10 a day as skilled artisans, be my guest.

>>5321746
>No we didn't. Everyone knows they're still selling CRTs. They're all using old leftover tubes from before the assembly lines shut down. No new tubes are being made.

They are right here. >>5311550

>>5321746
If you consider Indonesian sweatshop laborers paid $10 a day to be skilled artisans, be my guest.

>>5321746
>They aren't even good for /vr/ or light guns then
Why would you not be able to use light guns on an HD CRT? If it refreshes at 60Hz I don't see why not.

>>5321757
I don't see any tube manufacturing, only light assembly.

>>5321784
Input lag

Input lag is not the reason for it, it's because LCD panels can't update quickly enough.

>>5321816
Prove they're NOS tubes and not new ones.

>>5321839
>asking me to prove a negative
Just stop.

>>5319601
Like a projector?

>>5321836
Anon is not talking about LCDs though...

>>5321846
Actually he was asking me but I appreciate the white-knighting on my behalf.

>>5321868
Nononono. He's saying HD CRTs can't use the NES Zapper because of upscaling lag when in fact that's not the problem, the problem is that flat panels don't flicker.

sorry too busy making a big screen version of my Vectrex

>>5321697
Those links must be to a fake website set up by CRTfags to troll normies. Everyone knows that the last CRT factory closed down long ago. It was in the news and everything. It happened so many times that it must be true. More than true even. amirtre.

>>5321816
They're obviously getting the tubes from somewhere and I doubt you'd put 15 year old components in an ostensibly new product. That doesn't make any business sense.

>>5322909
This is China we're talking about. They'd put a fishbowl in there if they thought they could get away with it.

Anyhow, unless someone can post irrefutable proof that CRTs themselves (not assembled TVs, just the tubes) are currently being manufactured and not just sourced from deadstock I'm going to stick to my guns. Google has nothing as far as I can see, and i've spent a wholly inappropriate amount of time searching.

>>5321629
thanks

>>5322909
China doesn't care about safety/environmental concerns relating to CRT manufacturing anyway and their labor is cheaper than water.

I guess autists are going to keep arguing forever about whether or not there are or aren't still new CRTs being made.

>>5323415
>Anyhow, unless someone can post irrefutable proof that CRTs themselves (not assembled TVs, just the tubes) have stopped being manufactured and are just sourced from deadstock I'm going to stick to my guns.
See what I did there kiddo? Also, sorry you suck at google.

>>5319886
Most VR headsets that aren't poorfag cellphone VR use OLED screens, actually

>>5324464
Proof then.

Absence of proof = leap of faith. Are you religious by any chance?

>>5321746
>Hide your power level, comrades.
This. If you're retarded enough to be a commie in [current year], you should keep that shit to yourself.

>>5307306
>>the next generations will be emotionally attached to old games their parents grew up with
sorry, no. We're exactly the last generation that has to deal with this shit. After us, our beloved systems will end up in museums were they might still be playable on the last living CRTs, that museums maintain for several reason btw. Newer generations won't have any problem for a long time, because their childhood already was digital and flat.

>>5326704
>>>/reddit/

>>5325458
Absence of reading comprehension = presence of shitpost. Are you underage by any chance?

CRTs are a primitive technology that limited and restricted game creators. Shitty CRT displays are not how games were intended to be experienced contrary to the popular /vr/ meme. The games are meant to be experienced as created, with nothing covering or distorting the visuals. When CRTs are no longer easy to find the deranged hipsters on /vr/ may be forced outside of their delusional little bubble and be forced to experience the games in higher quality. The horror.

>>5327465
Lots of things are "primitive" for an 00's baby like you

>>5327465
>meant to look like blocky pixellated garbage
Yeah, no. They were designed to take advantage of the natural image processing inherent in the crt displays of the era, not to look like pixel art recreations of what sprites were supposed to look like in the mind of babies like you not even born back then.

>this shitty thread has been up 8 days

>>5326706
/b/

>>5326745
Expected response received.

Top marks for not disappointing.

>>5307324
Hopefully. Panel producers are taking their sweet time.

>mfw I'll never find a 25" CRT monitor in Europe to fit in my arcade cabinet

>>5307306
High end vcr's are starting to come out. I think itll be like vinyl records eventually where the old technology will come back with some modern bells and whistles and will form a comfortable niche market

>>5328776
>High end vcr's are starting to come out.
Anon, it's not the year 1989 anymore. Long before DVDs hit the scene people knew that VHS tapes didn't have the best picture for movies and TV shows, the reason it was still being used was because it was still popular enough to still be bought and rented. It was popular despite its quality and I can tell you people were fucking satisfied when better media replaced it.

Also, if there's not enough demand in the long run than it will be discontinued anyway IF it ever gets released. Same thing can be said about your other example: god knows how long that's still gonna hold up after hipsters grow out of them. The market for CRTs would be even smaller than any of them, especially if you realize that only obsessed retro console collectors are still interested in them so I wouldn't count on it.

>>5328138
>i failed
kek

What's the opinion on Finnish made CRT tv's?
Happened to get one and it works pretty well

>>5330005
never heard of 'em
never will

>>5328868
>The market for CRTs would be even smaller than any of them, especially if you realize that only obsessed retro console collectors are still interested in them
And your proof of this is...?

>>5330016
The voices in the head of an underage shitposter it all it needs