/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[1-14] Zanieon releases Doom Church Album
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qblowc7ts7fdqyd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdgwYYADH4Q&list=PLIL5wx-DD9NGSPFzz8TAfLssfm-LiftM9

[1-14] 'Quake 1.5' mod beta release coming on the 18th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWJFudlrgvo

[1-7] Discharge, a 9-level wad for ZDoom
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=63169

[1-1] GZDoom 3.7.1
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63098

[1-1] SM190 - Six Textures released for Quake
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm190_pack.zip

[12-31] La Tailor Girl updated to 1.70H
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1085657#p1085657

[12-31] PortaDOOM Cacowards 2018 Released
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases/

[12-30] 100 Minutes of /vr/ on Doomworld
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103723-100-minutes-of-vr-half-the-time-half-the-maps/

[12-28] GZDoom 3.7.0 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63032

[12-26] Anon makes a mutator 'ArmorisHitPoints'
https://my.mixtape.moe/lnuzbw.zip

[12-26] ESRGAN algorithm used to make HD Textures for RTCW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyRfptKJutU

[12-26] The Merry Christmassy Doom Project
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103649-the-merry-christmassy-doom-project-a-limit-removing-project-from-doomer-boards/

[12-26] Anon map release: Exotic Exports
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtv23e9k4c9g462/Exotic%20Exports%201.2.zip?dl=0

[12-26] DOOMBA, a Roomba script that turns clean maps into Doom maps
https://twitter.com/DickWhitehouse/status/1077227171482021889 (embed)

[12-24] Hellshots Golf sees a formal release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEHK4iBiXc
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=61021

[12-16] Doomsday's 2.1 update released
http://blog.dengine.net/2018/12/doomsday-2-1-released/

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I think Huey Lewis was exaggerating when he said its hip to be square.
Only in a few fringe cases is that so. Usually its bad to be square.

>>5300725
It's always bad to be square. Square is a demon in disguise.

Cubes are superior to squares.

>>5300725
>>5300730

>>5300737
This. Fuck Square.
no im not Triangle, there's no way i could be alive that long, circles are for plebs

>>5300737
SATA-KORE!

DRLA 1.1 WHEN

I WANT IT NOW

>>5300787
You and I both hombre.

>>5300787
>expecting Yholl to release anything quickly
>spending months being hyped without any real idea when it'll be out
Why do people do this to themselves so fucking much when it's one of his mods?

7 Habits of Highly Defective Modders:
1. Buffing the slot 4 weapon
2. Lowering revenant health
3. Removing hitscan from enemies
4. RPG elements
5. Anime crap
6. Reloading
7. Needless feature creep

>>5300718
One of the guys on the cover of Redneck Rampage looks eerily similar to a man named Jeremy who's on both Twitter and Youtube. He's the CEO of G+G

>>5300803
I'm going to make a mod with all of these, just to piss you off.

>>5300803
Agree with all but 2

>>5300803
I usually prefer when they buff the slot 4 weapon, since I kind of get bored using the SSG for my workhorse

>HUUH

>>5300803
>Reloading is bad
It adds another layer of depth to the game. I dont see anything wrong with that. Now instead of only keeping an eye on an ammo pool, you also have to mind how many shots you got left in the current mag so you need to time your reloads with taking cover from hitscanners or what have you.

>>5300818
It makes sense for some weapons. Bonus if it's Nu-Rott and you get a shivers-animation for fucking around with the ammo when it's already full.

>>5300815
HD + quake movement?

>>5300803
TOP TEN REASONS I DONT LIKE THINGS PEOPLE DO
NUMBER TEN
IM NOT TELLING

now you want to discuss things or just shitpost?

>>5300825
Just stock HD, using a certain technique with berserk to achieve ludicrous speed.

So, what WAD actually started the trend of giant Revenant closets with Archviles inside them too, and why did it catch on in map design enough to the point of reaching meme status?

>>5300846
Literally any of them. Probably even doom 2.

I hope we get a sourceport of this masterpiece

>>5300857
If you play TF2, go blast song 6 from this game on the Harvest map. It's fucking perfect.

>>5300803
>2. Lowering revenant health
>3. Removing hitscan from enemies
These are genuinely bad. Otherwise go fuck yourself, I'll make a reload animation for the chainsaw just to spite you.

>>5300857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li5mXnHyg9w

>>5300874
See what I mean?

>>5300872
as long as you follow the first rule of adding reloading to a weapon
> make it stronger

>>5300803
Don't forget infinite ammo pistols.

>>5300874
damn that's pretty extreme

Is Maps of Chaos good?

>>5300883
elaborate

>>5298710
test these ones:
fov "110"
r_particles "2"
fog "0.02" "0.8" "0.6" "0.4"
gl_texturemode "3"
crosshair "1"
r_wateralpha "0.4"
r_slimealpha "0.8"
r_lavaalpha "1"
r_telealpha "0.6"
r_shadow "1"
v_idlescale "0.5"
r_viewmodel_quake "1"
gl_flashblend "0" //to disable light globes around the light sources
gl_ztrick "0" //to disable distant objects flickering
gl_keeptjunctions "1" //to remove white dots on the polygons edges
gl_overbright 1
gl_overbright_models 1
v_gunkick 2
r_lerpmove 0
r_lerpmodels 0

>>5298712
someone on this thread did this already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ietb4JwaaXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGj4gXyCzg0

>>5300853
Doom 2 in itself didn't have a high monster headcount overall though, and has 90 Revenants at best. I wager Plutonia would be responsible but I can't remember shit and there must've been a popular megawad that popularized the design enough.

>>5300883
lolkegan

>>5300815
you should die while crashing against a wall at that speed

>>5300874
This is actually fuckin awesome wtf

>>5300891
It's the lazy way out for modders who don't want to think about early-game weapon dynamics. It's the weapon mod equivalent of immediately giving the player a shotgun without making them fight for it at all. A mapper does that because they can't or don't want to come up with an interesting scenario that uses the pistol and fist, a modder does it because they can't or don't want to make a good pistol and fist equivalent.

>>5300916
It's the same as treating the SSG as a starter-tier weapon, when it's damage is easily on par with the BFG, if not even moreso as shells are often more common than cells.

>>5300892
is there a gzoom "scale factor" for quakespasm?

>>5300923
>SSG
>on par with a BFG
It's a cheaper rocket launcher without the splash damage.

>>5300931
>rocket launcher is hitscan and usuable in all situations

>>5300901
I mean the current pistol I'm working on doesn't have unlimited ammo.

>>5300923
>It's the same as treating the SSG as a starter-tier weapon, when it's damage is easily on par with the BFG

>>5300916
I just make them because I love spammy infinite ammo ranged weapons. Things like the mega buster and the pistol from metal slug make my dick hard

>>5300934
talking damage wise

and to humor you
> ssg has 1 second windup for shooting

>>5300803
>1. Buffing the slot 4 weapon
But the chaingun is objectively garbage if you have SSG, outside fringe scenarios.

>>5300941
on the contrary i love magnum type pistols
high damage, lower firerate, limited ammo
ups its viability even after getting SG/CG

>>5300948
I agree. If the pistol is gonna use ammo I think it should stand out from the chaingun in some way. Ideal scenario is it uses ammo separate from the chaingun. That alone makes the pistol more useful

>>5300923
>>5300934
>on par with the BFG
>usable in all situations
Have you ever actually played Doom? The SSG has nowhere near the damage or range of the BFG, and there are many common situations where it's unideal, for instance if an enemy is more than a few yards away.

>>5300957
You very obviously haven't

>>5300961
alright then big brain smart man
lets hear your reasoning on why SSG==BFG

>>5300923
>when it's damage is easily on par with the BFG
That's not even an opinion, you're just an idiot. Here, idiot, I even highlighted both weapons in red for you.

5300975
bad bait.
ssg>>>>>>>>>>>>bfg

>>5300983
what even is your argument/point anymore?

>>5300983
sometimes it's best to keep one's mouth shut.

>>5300983
Advanced cancerous post structure.

>>5300923
>SSG
>on par with the BFG
Retard alert

hot take
> ssg is used so much because shells are omni abundant
> 1 shell pickup = 4 shells = 8/4% of max ammo
> 1 shell box = 20 shells = 40/20% of max ammo
shells have the highest ratio of pickup to max ammo of all the ammo types
and rockets have the lowest

>>5300718
Nice, where can I find the other BUILD games like
PowerSlave
Witchaven
Witchaven II

>>5300923
The SSG is nowhere near the BFG, but I do agree that treating it as a starting weapon is wrong. Unless you're going to be throwing nothing but Barons and Doom 2 enemies at the player.

>>5300803
I was with you up until 5

>>5300951
Replace the chaingun with dual pistols that function identically. Then it doesn't feel like the pistol is as useless without changing the balance of the game.

>>5300872
>picked the only two good ones out of his retarded list
This is bait

>>5301034
It's not just the amount they give relative to their max ammo, but how much damage each of those shells can potentially do compared to a single shot of almost any other weapon. You are always at a net gain of shells when killing shotgun guys.

>>5301050
Hitscanners are valuable when used sparingly with projectile monsters.

>>5301050
question
which is worse
lowering the health of revenants
or increasing damage of weapons

>>5301079
Fuck wait I got that backwards somehow. Disregard my reply. I suck cocks.

The Hitscanner meme is retarded. OK, lets say we ditch hitscanning and instead rely entirely on "real" projectiles/missiles. WHAT FUCKING DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE YOU SPERGS? It's not like you could sidestep a bullet. Why waste time on possibly hundreds or thousands of additional projectile/missile calculations when the damn thing just hits you like a hitscanning attack does?

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1547610009149.webm

Partially inspired by the current discussion, I figured I'd make a mod where the starting weapon is an infinite-ammo shotgun. I dunno what I'll do about the rest of the weapons. Maybe explosives of different kinds.

>>5301094
Non-hitscan projectiles are dodgeable, and the enemy doesn't instantly get a hit on you up close either.
>inb4 hurr that's not realistic
Who cares?

>>5301094
>enemy winds up gun
>move
>enemy hits the spot you were before
woah that was so hard.

>>5301094
you clearly have never played Doom 2016, a bullet hell game (or mod for Doom for that matter, like Rebel Rumble), or even just seen the games that do hitscan attack dodging right

it's a video game, you can make bullets slower than they would be for gameplay purposes. And even if you don't and kepe it all realistic logic, i've seen a certain ARMA Shacktac player spot enemy machinegun fire from half a mile away and stepped out of the path right before impact. the thing with Doom is that because enemies are 8 directional sprites, there is no "aim" and the hitscan has coded spread, so you basically can't dodge a hitscan unless you program an enemy to do >>5301112.

>>5300916
Doom's pistol is legitimately one of the worst starting weapons of all time. Doom 4 gave you a much better one and it was an infinite ammo pistol.

>>5301094
Chaingunners from six states away wouldn't be able to chow through me if their bullets were actual projectiles.

>>5301094
You've obviously never played Blood before.

>>5301107
Even if Doomguy runs like 50MPH, you are not dodging rifle rounds. It doesn't matter at these bullet speeds if you launch a projectile/missile or perform a hitscan calculation.

>>5301112
You don't get it. It's not about (perceived) spot on precision or inhumane reaction times, all these things can be controlled within a hitscan operation. Also wind-up has nothing to do with the hitscan calculation itself.

I've never seen such a pack of obtuse spergs. How do you people even manage to tie your shoes?

>>5301153
the twinkling lights of my shoes don't let me see the knot

>>5301112
that would be ideal however Doom doesn't actually do that
It always reaims during the attack

//
// A_PosAttack
//
void A_PosAttack (mobj_t* actor)
{
int angle;
int damage;
int slope;

if (!actor->target)
return;

A_FaceTarget (actor);
angle = actor->angle;
slope = P_AimLineAttack (actor, angle, MISSILERANGE);

S_StartSound (actor, sfx_pistol);
angle += (P_Random()-P_Random())<<20;
damage = ((P_Random()%5)+1)*3;
P_LineAttack (actor, angle, MISSILERANGE, slope, damage);
}

>>5301134
You don't like perfect accuracy?

>>5300874

>>5301164
You can tap fire the Chaingun for better results.

>>5301164
Chaingun is perfectly accurate with tap firing.

>>5301084
All of the hitscanners but one are incredibly weak, and balance out their high potential damage output by going down quickly. They give the player an immediate target to work toward killing in a mob of enemies.

>>5301151
> tapdance pace weapon bobbing

>>5301151
That's like a Serious Sam pickup trap.

>>5301169
>>5301168
Yeah but you don't always have on of those. That was the point.

>>5301171
Yeah, hence why I said to disregard my post. I somehow got what that guy said earlier backwards. I didn't even know it was possible to be dyslexic with reading comprehension but I guess I'm proof of it. My bad.
I like hitscan enemies as long as they're used well.

>>5301189
True but sniping anything with the pistol is miserable, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the standard shotgun is more effective at sniping than the pistol. If I only had the pistol to shoot long range targets I'd probably just leave to find a better weapon.

>>5300882
Exactly. You need to make trade-offs.
>Does the basic, low powered pistol need reloading? Well, give it a decent magazine and let you shoot it fast.
>Does your rocket launcher only hold one shot and needs to be reloaded each time? Well, give it a REALLY powerful rocket.

>>5301050
If you can't handle hitscanners, then you're just a bitch at videogames.

>>5300916
Quake 1 gave you a shotgun to start with, and it was a pretty weak one, but it was decent enough for facing early mooks and so you could fight your way to a better weapon in not too much time.

Quake 2 gives you an infinite ammo pistol, for much similar reasons. It's pretty weak and slow, but it means you have something to fall back on if you have nothing else. It shares no ammo type with anything else, meaning that you neither have to worry about using up ammo for a better weapon you haven't gotten yet, and that you don't have to worry about a better weapon eating up your fallback weapon.

Neither is what I would have done personally, but I see the ideas of these approaches, and they're valid.

>>5300923

>>5301206
Quake 1's starting shotgun was close enough to Doom's pistol.

>>5300951
Duke Nukem 3D is an excellent example of this:
>pistol is fast, and remains useful for most of the game, but the brief reload prevents it from pretending to be a machinegun
>has its own ammo pool, so even if you rattle off all your chaingun rounds you still have your pistol, or vice versa

>>5301210
Pretty much.

>>5301210
Quake 1's starting shotgun kills starting monsters much faster than pistol does in Doom, also has good accuracy, much nicer feedback and can be reliably sniped with even at later stages of the game.

>>5301176
well, you run at like 50 kmh

>>5301151
>not using a good HUD that comes with the mod

>>5300961
You mean the weapon which for two shells can put out 20 hitscans, with a collective damage roughly comparable to one rocket, at close range, with no splash damage risk, but generally being completely worthless at long range, is really similar to a weapon that for 40 cells fires a slowish projectile, which at impact will spray out 40 pretty hefty hitscans which magically hits things based on your line of sight, and instead of missing, stacks onto whatever targets in your sight for extra damage, at whatever range?

These two are really similar? In performance and application?

>>5301217
I'm not arguing that it wasn't preferable, but it filled the same role of a weak, unsatisfying starting weapon that is quickly replaced by something better.

>>5301227
note the "feedback" part. Using Quake's shotgun is much more satisfying, especially against its supposed targets - grunts and rottweilers that have special bleed->recovery state that is triggered by same amount of damage sg provides, meaning it is triggered reliably and constantly, keeping your enemies from shooting back at all if youare good at the game (and not facing more than 4 of them at the time, but then again - in Quake you rarely do)

>>5301112
You can pretty much do this with the hitscanners.
Another tip is that when they've got you in their line of sight, you should strive to do one of these things;
>get out of their line of sight
>kill them
>move yourself so that another mook (ideally a not hitscan one) is between you and them, acting as a human shield on your part, and potentially starting an infight (which can give you time to do either of the previous things)

>"Pistol and chaingun are useless!"
just tap your fire dude like hahaha oh wow how can you not notice this

>>5301236
who said the chaingun is useless?

>>5301206
For the sake of conversation because I like this topic, what would you have done, anon?

>>5301234
Popping grunts with that thing never gets old.
>GRRR
>BAMFclikBAMFclik
>UAAGH

>>5301236
The chaingun is good, because it maintains a good rate of fire and doesn't actually spread that much at closer ranges, and doing two-shot taps, it has good accuracy at long range. Some people say it sucks but they're retards, it's actually rather versatile.

The pistol just exists for you to get your way to any other weapon. It has precision at range, but only slowly, meaning you're looking at poor DPS with good range, or slightly better DPS with really poor range.
It's not satisfying to use in any way, and using it you always find yourself clamoring for anything else.

>>5301246

>>5301243
I'm fond of the Duke Nukem 3D approach: >>5301212

The pistol in DN3D can actually carry some weight, due to it's long range precision for buttons and dudes far away, and for how it's got some good rapid fire for closer ranges. If you combine it with Mighty Boot, you can with very good reliability kill lone Octabrains at point blank without taking a single hit yourself.

Again, that it doesn't share ammo with the machinegun is a great feature, because it'll often mean you'll just stumble upon pistol magazines and spare pistols lying around, and you just pick them up because you do, and you'll eventually reach 200rds sooner or later, which means you can very often have a good (but not super powerful) backup weapon, with 200 shots.

I'm not sure if this would be the best approach for Quake or Quake 2, but I definitely enjoy and use the DN3D pistol, while I avoid the Q1 shotgun and Q2 blaster pistol if I can.

>>5300825
that'd be closer to painkiller movement if anything

>>5301240
I recall someone did last thread when someone said the SSG mad it and the SG obsolete.

>>5301253
Tap, tap, tap, tap.

>>5301259
Nice line spread vs. one there, one there, one there, one there, one there...
Must've been a troll.

>>5301245
Quake 1's sound design was so fucking good.

>>5301259
if you're talking about me, I said the combination of SSG and chaingun makes the shotgun nearly useless
the SSG murders everything at close range with 41% more ammo efficiency than the shotgun, and the chaingun has perfect accuracy, leaving the shotgun the two roles of "killing lone zombiemen/shotgunners/imps at close range" and "medium range when you have a billion shells but no bullets"

although now that I say that, enough doom maps do give you way too many shells, so that second one isn't all that unlikely

>>5301259
> made it and the SG obsolete
just the SG
SSG + CG cover every scenario the SG can, but better

>>5301270
and there's rarely a situation where you can't just go up to monster and stick both barrels in its eyesockets

>>5301278
But both barrels don't fit in one eyeso-
THEY DO NOW.

>>5301256
I agree. Duke's pistol is also really satisfying to use and I love combining it with mighty foot kicks.
I think shadow warrior's sword and ninja stars are also good starting weapons

Can't and won't deny that clearing out most of a zombie closet with a SSG blast feels really good.

>>5300883
I kind of hate this about Final Doomer, since the maps it's made for are balanced for limited pistol ammo.

>>5301095
Try to make a mod that will irritate /vr/ while not being a simple pastiche of popularly disliked mods like those awful 3D 'remake' things and brootl doom.

>>5301176
such is the power of wbobspeed 2 on a mod that also speeds up bobbing

>>5301095
well it looks fun and cool

>>5301290
thank you shivers

>>5301295
You can turn that off in the settings IIRC

>>5301341
That one was done by Darsycho actually. Same dude behind mayhem mansion and mod oh fun. Along with some other really weird mods.

I'm doing a "retro" fps (it isn't, it's just low poly, low res because I'm one man) in ue4
my pistol works in the following way: it has a powerful and precise shot, infinite ammunition, but the interval between each shot gets bigger and bigger so you can't abuse it

>>5301352
cool cool.
show screenshot

>>5301352
I also thought of keeping the intervals equal but reducing the power of each shot
>>5301363
I don't want to shill it yet, I actually want to finish this shit

>>5301364
>I don't want to shill it yet, I actually want to finish this shit
Then why bring it up?
Go to /agdg/ btw, and shill your shit there. You're not going to make it if you don't astroturf an interested base first.
If it's not related to a retro game, system, or engine it doesn't reeeaaally belong here.
Sounds like a cool system for a starting weapon anyway.

>>5301370
I thought you were talking about starting guns?

I always thought that the story stuff in the instruction manuals are hilariously cheesy. Did Master Levels have a manual? I wonder if these some sort of plot

>>5301387
Each level came with a description IIRC.
Also, a bunch of, but not all of, Sverre Kvernmo's Cabal series is in it, so Master Levels gives you a couple of fragmented entries about that story.

>>5301352
show or bust

>>5301095
Also i remember some mod/game that does the first weapon this way:
It is decent damage, uses ammo and shoots projectiles, but it can also be fired without ammo - then its shots are weak and are affected by gravity so they fall down at 20m or so.

Unreal handled it by giving Dispersion Pistol ammo regen that depends on how much ammo it currently has - the more it has the slower the regen, so you can spam it at full speed only for some time, as even the fastest regen speed is only half of its regular firing speed. Also upgrades that made it more formidable weapon at the cost of projectile speed and ammo consumption (latest upgrade eat up 10 ammo).
Unreal 2 gave it 8 round ammo max instead of 50, so you could spam it even less, but still could use it to off one or two basic mooks

>>5300718
Is Realms of the Haunting worth playing?

>>5301404
It's okay but it's not a fast paced shooter like doom

Just finished my first map. Would anyone like to try it? I'd love any and all feedback.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1N2gyWmYJurLlBZF9qcbFDq6tygjrO5Pu

Just finish it before worrying about screenshots. Ok good.

I hate Final Doomers uzis

Maps of Chaos is harsh

This part of the map could use another baddie in Easy difficulty.

>>5301404
I vaguely remember being pretty invested, but then also disappointed.

>>5301314
Thanks.

>>5301402
That's an interesting way to handle a starting weapon.

>>5301352
>>5301364
make the first mechanism automatic while keeping the trigger pulled but give the player the ability to shot anytime and using the second mechanism while pulling the trigger manually repeatedly

>>5301492
I literally don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I didn't really expect quality though; just wanted to piss around with OTEX for fun

>>5301492
Making a lava lavatory?

>>5301494
>I literally don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
it sure shows, god damn look at that clashing coloring

>>5301496
No, it's basically meant to be a demonic supercomputer (like the old nasa computers that take up an entire building) of sorts involving flesh and the like. Here's the player's spawn point; some sort of massive central tower

>first enemy: archvile

>>5301501
opposing hall. gonna throw in some floatingrocks or some equivalent as platforms to cross the gap. fucking skybox seam

Old retrospective: I was planning to put a mancubus at the other end at some point, but realized there was no way to force the encounter, and/or it was practically overkill.

This map had a couple of minor touchups based on some of vertigo's feedback but mostly it just seemed to be fixing the RL secret and placing the shotgun earlier.

>>5301440
Can do!

>>5301502
It seemed apt for a long, narrow hallway on Hard. Watch out when you open the Exit door btw.

>>5301505
What kinda goddamn scorcery are those mappers using anyway? Their designs are incoherent as fuck but they look visually appealing. So I'm going to be puzzling on how to get all those weird circuitry bits going and the scrolling flesh on this tower. Jeez.

you know, for what is generally considered one of the most refined and streamlined shooters ever made, quake 3 is actually pretty shit. spawning system is broken, FFA is just a blood orgy where you spawn and die half the time, duels all come down to who gets the spawn closest to good pickups at the start (and who whores health/armor the best), the game is incredibly easy to hack, some weapons are objectively worse than others and have little purpose, the MG is dogshit... why exactly is this called a good game again?

>>5301558
>>5301094
>>5300923
Are you just on a shitposting spree tonight or what?

>>5301557
It's basically proof that mapping isn't a skill. You're born with the capability of gettin' good at it or you're not.

>>5301569
>mapping isn't a skill
it is and you don't have it and refuse to learn

>>5300718

== QUAKE/QRP ===

ALTERNATIVE DOWNLOAD LINKS
https://pastebin.com/9UjH6jUE

>>5300719

>>5301637

>>5301493
oh, I think I'll use both, weapons will have two fire modes

>>5301569
So it's a skill.

>>5301396
>Sverre Kvernmo's Cabal series
Don't even mention this piece of shit. The fact that these levels were being sold puzzles me to this day. The Bloodsea Keep isn't that bad, but the rest... oof.

DTWID

so many misaligned textures you can't be sure whether a misaligned texture is a secret or just that

>>5301569
stop looking for excuses

>>5301562
I made the Q3 post, don't know why you think the other two are me, but I don't consider it shitposting when it's a perfectly reasonable set of criticisms. Sorry, quake 3 is just a poorly designed game.

>>5301710
I see you're still enjoying GMOTA. You have any issues or complaints? I'm still in the process of updating shit, and fixing one of the firing sounds for Doomslayer's Hydra Repeater is on the list, along with maybe some new footstep sounds for Blaz and tweaking the boomerang subweapon, cus it sucks.

>>5301557
>What kinda goddamn scorcery are those mappers using anyway?
Practice, experimentation, receiving criticism, and applying it. Honing their ability over time, starting ass and then applying self-improvement.

>>5301569
Or you could just give up, I guess.

>>5301725
Blazter should be allowed to fire its primary even if its sub-attack is on the cooldown.

Old Sub-items of all types should drop behind you when you pick up a new one. I think that how it worked in the beta versions. Why was that changed?

>>5301725
>>5301737
Another one: Slayer's melee punch when he tries to throw dagger while in cooldown: sounds powerful when it hits a wall, but is actually the weakest melee attack.
Also IMO sword strikes should leave slash decals/marks on the walls.

>>5301737
I thought about letting you shoot the Blazter after it's overheated but I think keeping it completely locked out is for the best, it's punishing you for relying too much on the harder hitting attacks. Blaz should ultimately be kinda shit with ranged combat, or at the very least not able to engage in it for too long. Unless you get 99 subweapon ammo, that's still something that irritates me.

and I never had subweapons drop after picking up new ones, they always got replaced. Seeing as subweapons refresh your ammunition, I'm probably just gonna leave as a replacement system. Though there's days I've toyed with the idea of a subweapon lock button sometimes.

>>5301742
I could probably look into adding some sword decals though, Kustam's got some unique decals for his kick and staff after all.

>>5301721
Your opinions is still based and redpilled.

All you said could be said to every other game, just look:
>Doom spawn you with a dogshit pistol and bare fists instead of chainsaw to have a decent melee when out of ammo, it depends too much how the level designer made the traps and item placements otherwise you will be dying over and over, Deathmatch culture relies in retarded maps that every spawn point has a SSG overlapped on it so the first to shoot is the first to kill, 33% armor absortion? HEHE pretty much shit i can say.

>>5301269
>pulling some sounds from a stock sound library is now considered good sound design

>>5301147
>Even if Doomguy runs like 50MPH, you are not dodging rifle rounds

At 50+ meters he would totally dodge them moving at that speed (if enemy fires at his exact position and does not lead the target).
Assault rifle/machinegun muzzle velocity is ~860 m/s
Moving at his full speed Doom guy can move 1m away from his current position in ~1/20 of a second, meaning that at ~43m from the shooter he can totally dodge a bullet.

>>5301757
It's how it all aplied that matters. And it's applied really good.

>>5301387
wtf is that from? Nostalgia Critic?

>>5301761
Note that muzzle velocity is MUCH lower for handguns, and even lower for shotguns.

>>5301748
>all you said could be said to any other game
Uhh no it couldn't, unless every other game has the exact mechanics Quake 3 has. Your example is retarded and has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. In other words, you have no argument, and Q3 remains a mediocre game.

would you play a "retro fps" were there is an overworld like in eg zelda where you can chill and explore or whatever but the temples are the actual classic fps levels were you shoot at everything that moves?

>>5301770
So...Basically Hexen?

>>5300719
>Quake 1.5

Finally, a mod that will get doombabbies to enjoy Quake

>>5301770
Wouldn't work. To make a large world interesting you would need many mechanics, things to interact with, items to find etc, and that would conflict the pure shooter essence you want to achieve within the temples. Games like Rage already tried a similar thing and iy always sucks. Just give me good maps with non-linear design and quality gameplay.

>>5301761
Still, BS excuses made by spazzes who can't deal with hitscan.

>>5301775
you must have meant brutalshitters

>>5301774
>>5301776
I considered playing every single retro fps in existence but is that or actually making something
I didn't play those two specifically, think I should...

>>5300803
>whaaaaaaa stop liking what i don't like: the post

>>5301776
not >>5301770
but i've had the following idea:
1) 7 bosses with 3-4 level themed mini-episode leading to them
2) Relatively small hub map to access them all in any order, but is an actual map not like a room with 7 portals or wahtever
3) There is a common enemy roster, but each "minisode" has a few special enemies with unique mechanics.
4) When you defeat a boss, the special monsters of that episode begin to crop up in other episodes you hadn't done yet so the ammount of monsters and complexity of the encounters increases as you progress no matter the order you defeat the bosses in.
5) Final boss and 2-3 levels leading to him featuring all the enemies/mechanics from prior ones.

>>5301785
Not every in existence, but at least every good/ notable one.
There are really not that many of them.

Doom
Rise of the Triad
Descent
Heretic
Hexen
Duke 3d
Blood
Shadow Warrior
Quake 1/2
Unreal
Return to Castle Wolfenstein (somewhat)

That's really it for the shooters that follow the true oldschool formula. Redneck Rampage is shit both gameplay and level design-wise, and Marathon is way too labyrinthian for its own good. Other lesser known FPS didnt really provide anything of value to the genre.

me >>5301770
well, my idea was making an amalgamation of wolf/doom/quake/unreal/turok mechanics
something like oot or mm, with an overworld full of easter eggs, side quests, lore, some shooting here and there, lets say 25% of what there is to do, a lot of jumping, puzzles, etc, etc very unreal/turok... and temples comprised of 3 levels with a 4th secret one where the action is more wolf/doom/quake and shooting is actually 75% of what there is to do
>>5301803
I'm actually playing kingpin and kiss psycho circus

>>5301810
>a lot of jumping
1st person jumping is exceptionally hard to get right, and it's not something you should do in your first project

>>5301813
I don't plan to release it anytime soon, there is a lot of time to test
I'm finicky too with the feedback fps games provide, I really prefer a playable box than fancy graphics

>>5301813
Gotta get that air control juuuust right.

where do I toggle how opaque the screen gets when taking damage?

if dusk dude could make it you too anon

>>5301823
display options

>>5301824
true
just remember its never a weekend project

>>5301767
stop sucking at it and maybe your rectal bleeding will cease

>>5301824
dusk is a pure shooter compared to what this anon plans to do
I mean, simpler

Turok just made jumping very simple, you stop laterally moving when there's no input.

>>5301825
>just remember its never a weekend project
well, it's a side project for sure, I studied systems engineering but I never graduated and I don't even work on anything related to software development

>>5301831
>I don't even work on anything related to software development
that's a good thing to me, you are not going to burn out

>>5301372
Ah. I lost the thread looking away and coming back. You didn't quote anyone.

>>5301826
Nah, I'm actually really good. If you want you can come hop on Crom FFA server right now and I'll humiliate you. My expertise with the game forms the foundation of my criticisms, and you've yet to refute a single thing I've said.

>>5301884
you are gay and also a fag. refuted

>>5301894
>assblasted faggot has no argument and is too pussy to back up his shit talk in-game
As expected. 2ez

How do I add d1gfxd2 to a UDMF WAD and have GZDoom Builder actually recognize it? The Slade wiki says I can just copy everything onto the bottom of a WAD, but the textures don't show up for use in GZDoom Builder.

>>5301901
ur mom gay

>>5300718
Quake but most of the enemies are now robots and Cyborgs.

>>5301908
so
the sequel?

>>5301916
Quake 2 I think should have been called Strogg or Strogg Wars.

>>5301908
>German Edition

>>5301941
What do you mean? I was talking about an idea for a mod.

>>5301950
It's not like germans were known to replace humans with robots and blood with cogs and springs in "violent games " back at the time...

How do speed mapping competitions make sure that a map in question was made within the alloted time? ie (the map submitted actually took 100 mins or less to make for 100 mins of /vr/)

Is it based on an honor system, where you just trust mappers to be honest, or is there some objective way to tell? Just curious. I'm assuming it's an honor system but still wanted to ask.

>>5301435
Why tho?

>>5301884
because why would you not make that claim lol

>>5301961
They can't, which is why Joel's mapping competitions are a sham for those who are in for the money.

>>5301985
Joel's competitions are speed mapping? I thought they were just regular mapping

>>5301426
Pretty good stuff. I'd recommend having a dividing texture to separate these two, and not having ambushes after the keys feels weird, but those aren't things that need changing so much as personal tastes.

>>5301961
We had one in this general last year that two people entered. The host just didn't give us a map prompt until 24 hours before the deadline.

>>5301989
There's time limits. There's times when he or the chat get dubious about a map being done under the allotted time but he just lets it slide everytime so it might as well not exist, all that matters is the deadline.

>>5301993
Hell he sometimes needs 2 streams to clear a map from how big and complex they get at times.

>>5301671
Yeah, that was really early in his mapping career.
I like the guy, but Cabal is just not very good.

The story is kind of interesting but the levels are just bluuuuuuh. Special mention for Mephisto's Maosoleum, which was probably the worst of the Master Levels.

>>5301757
Yes, bitch.

>>5301991
Was it ever released? What was the prompt?

>>5302002
To make a Sewer map in a certain amount of space, I don't remember how much exactly. It's in the news pastebin.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/bfc9zhiv5pfq89x/contest_sewer.wad (winner)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pg5q7rinqumzlfx/aaaaaaaaaa.wad (runner-up)

What are some WADs that you basically need to run in PrBoom+ instead of GZDoom to get good frames?

I want to get a feel for the limitations of GZ and for the merits of PrBoom, but I need good examples

>I stole the music from Level 13 from a dead kid's web site. The kid (sorry, can't remember his name or find the site) who is now dead actually made that piece of music and he wanted that music to be played at his funeral if he died (which, coincidentally enough, he did) Its got that 80's movie fantasy about it, like something from a Stephen Spielberg movie, or from The Exploreres or something.

lol

>>5302019
Well, kid's dead. He won't mind.

>>5301965
If you're too retarded to explain why you think I'm wrong, you could at least nut up and play me. I'm dead serious, come join the server. I'll destroy you with the very broken mechanics that you think don't exist, then you can explain why my logic is unsound.

>>5302045
>>5301884
so what, you don't have any friends to play with?

if you insist on the game being shit and lacking any semblance of balance why are you so aggressively coaxing someone into playing with you?

>>5301220
I didn't realize it

What "retro-inspired" non-/vr/ shooters do you guys enjoy? Stuff like nu-ROTT, Painkiller, DUSK, etc.

>>5302064
None.

>>5302064
ut2004

>>5302064
>doom inspired
>it's a primitive wolf-clone instead
every damn time

>>5302045
im not even the other guy and i dont want to play with you lol. im just amused by the insane aggressive nature of someone boasting their skills on a game they claim to find unbalanced or cheap. and likewise how you immediately approach someone the way you do just to counter your notion of how the game plays. surely someone who knows how to play properly by now would know to adapt to its mechanics instead of decrying them over and over.

>>5300718
ANYONE REMEMBER THIS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXLIzk_7KCE

>if someone talks shit about you and you ask them to back it up, then you're "insane" and "aggressive"
Imagine having this much onions pumped into you every day, holy shit.
>you can't be good at something you dislike and nothing can have legitimate flaws, you just gotta git gud
You have an extremely low IQ.

>>5301776
I didn't think Rage was that bad.
It wasn't great, but it's also not horrible.

>>5302101
Meant for this >>5302075 faggot

>>5302101
who are you replying to?

>>5302101
The eeking and ooking is real.

>>5302118
>can't refute a single point of the opposing argument
>no... y-you have no argument
Yet another potato that should have been a throat baby.

What am I doing wrong here? This is how the GZDoom wiki says to define the sky.

>>5302019
explain.

>>5302019
You can't just fucking put something like this out there and not give us any context.

>>5302134
Possibly everything. Where's your curly braces?

Does KingDime publish his speedrun demos anywhere? I can't seem to find the LMP files, just his videos.

>>5302145
>>5302140
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Equinox

>>5302158

>>5302165
>soul
>soulless

>>5302170

>>5302158
Oh. All it needed to work was to put curly braces around the sky definition.

Whoops.

>>5301953
Thankfully the Swiss were never like that.

>>5302175
*attacks with Lethal weapon O/S upgrade equipped*

>>5302198
*unsheathes mighty caliber of 32 gigs of RAM*

>>5302214
Castlevania is not an FPS, never was.

>>5302101
>>5302045
to start us off, nobody called you insane.
second, you can't force something onto someone and then claim victory by default because they don't agree to do it. nobody wants to play with you, tough luck.
it's a rule of thumb that if you play a game long with a steep learning curve long enough you'll grow out of your criticisms to the core gameplay. you can complain about things like broken spawns, sure, but the gun roster is tailored to specific situations, the fast paced gameplay means a low TTK and so on.

nobody's going to fix quake 3 for you, and by your attitude here I don't think anyone would want to join a game with you either.

>>5302221
>it's rule of thumb
*it's not a rule.

>>5300803
>Needless feature creep
feature creep is only a problem if you go full yandere simulator where it's actively preventing you from finishing your game/mod.

>Lowering revenant health
>Removing hitscan from enemies
i didn't realize scrubs like icarus & gggman were actively making mods

>Reloading
there's a time & place for a reloading mechanic in a game but complaining about it is up there with complaining about hitscanners as a pretty easy way to out yourself as a retard.

everything else depends entirely on the mod or game.

>>5302235
>>Lowering revenant health
How many mods even do this?

>>5301770
i love maps where you explore around cities or other hub-like areas and explore buildings to make actual progress, i would play it. some anon mentioned that rage is proof that sort of structure doesn't work but from my faint memories of rage the overworld was just a big road with nothing to do except shooting the occasional car

Why does every Wolfenstein mod add 500 guns and 2000 randomly spawned enemies?

>>5302241

>>5302221
you disregarded his argument on the baseless assumption that he sucks at the game and not the content of what he said, and now you're acting like a little butthurt bitch. if you didn't want to incite a real demonstration of skill, you shouldn't make assumptions about someone's skills, you fucking retard. also:
>nobody called you insane
lol you literally said he was being insane and aggressive, but you deleted the post, probably because you were butthurt about being called a sperm tuber. cry it out and move on.

>>5302221
>it's a rule of thumb that if you play a game long with a steep learning curve long enough you'll grow out of your criticisms to the core gameplay
Make it a personal goal to never write anything this retarded ever again.

>>5302260
Yeah, I know you cried out when your posts got deleted, crossboarder. Please become a statistic.

>>5302272
lol this kid is mad

hey i know there's not really anything else going on today but could you guys knock it off?

honestly.

>>5302270
uh, did you somehow miss the post that came immediately after?
>>5302260
what a whole lot of words employed to say absolutely nothing.
I didn't delete the post nor did I call him anything. you've got everyone mixed up. but you're desperate enough to samefag and still pull this senseless accusation then I won't even bother mocking you, you're on that by yourself.

Was the Inmost Dens blog updated ever since the start of the year?

>>5302283
Every other minute. It's a postathon. You've been missing out.

>>5302279
>expecting anyone on post-2014 4chan to be sensible

>>5302281
>a whole lot of words employed to say absolutely nothing
>literally admitting he's too retarded to understand a few simple sentences
lol

why is cacodemon such a meme? Started playing Doom few days ago and it's the one thing (besides doomguy face on UI) I realized I saw few times already, possibly even before I knew about doom.

>>5302283
Once. I need to get back to updating it, but I've grown increasingly disinterested with a lot of the newer releases people have been putting out.
I might end up putting out a call for additional moderators soon--I started the blog with three other people, but I've been kind of carrying it by myself since the start.

>>5302319
It's the most memorable of then non-generic monsters from the default roster. Also a charming smile.
Before encountering it have: a zombie dude, a brown spiky dude, a bull-demon, a satyr/classic demon and then WTF IS THAT SMILING FLOATY BALL

>>5302221
>you can't force something onto someone and then claim victory by default
It wasn't forced though, YOU were the one making assumptions and setting the bar. If you told me that I sucked at fishing, and I challenged you to a fishing contest, that isn't me "forcing" something on you, what the fuck lol. Are you seriously incapable of recognizing the hypocrisy in what you're saying? I pray to god you're not really this retarded.

>>5302319
Just look at him.

so in quake doors and elevators are entity. Lights are also entity. Pick-able objects are entity What else is entity?

>>5302345
you

>>5302331
I don't know, floating ball with one eye is generic monster staple

>>5302351
It may be now, but not back then. Also comparatively in-game.

>seething homosexual mod deletes posts not because they break any rule, but because they upset his reddit-tier meme game community.
lol, so much for free speech, this site is fucking dead.

>>5302342

here's a free (you)

oh, wait

Rebirth changing the Baron's sprites helps to make CH's variants of the monster easier to differentiate from the HK's.

I'm your worst nightmare.

>>5302165
> 144p
> 360p

>>5302357
where did you find this?

>>5301710
Hey, that is indeed how Id did.

>>5302472
except not really

>>5302012
Frozen Time
Lilium

>>5302175
kegan is that you

>>5302479
id could he pretty careless sometimes.
hell the textures in e1m1 aren't even aligned properly.

Reeee

>>5302497
to be fair, besides the chaotic artistic differences in development, texture alignment was kind of a new concept. their previous game, Wolf 3D, had the wall textures on a square by square basis, so you didn't really need to align so much as just grid place things.

/vr/'s List of all 90's FPS by rating?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8eJDA6sXQI&feature=youtu.be

To the anon who was trying to make a frankensprite with the gun, i decided to do some color fixing and recolored to doom paleteI used asesprite for the recoloring.

>>5301729
>
Practice, experimentation, receiving criticism, and applying it. Honing their ability over time, starting ass and then applying self-improvement.
So in other words, sorcery, as that's exactly what I've been doing.

So i was playing that new "Discharge" Wad and i've come to notice that the start of map 6 is Turbine from TF2...

>>5302609

>>5302609
well i'll be. It's hard to make out, but it's there.

>>5302613
The last one im posting

>>5302617
Hurrbine.

I need to find someone good at software rendering to help me figure out why my clipping is still fucked

>>5302536
out of what i've played, not considering mods
top:
>blood
>system shock 1
great:
>douk
>shadow warrior
>quake
>descent 2
good:
>doom
>doom 64
>descent 1
>heretic
>unreal
>solider of fortune
passable:
>doom 2/final doom
>rise of the triad (shareware)
>marathon
>blake stone planet strike
>star wars dark forces
>quake 2
ambitious but not good enough:
>terminator future shock/skynet
>strife
the hall of disappointment:
>daikatana
>system shock 2
>hexen
>rise of the triad (full game)
mediocre:
>wolfenstein 3D
>chex quest
>hacx
>in pursuit of greed
>blake stone
>redneck rampage
>cyclones
bad:
>pie in the sky 3d games
>corridor 7
>witchaven
>nitemare 3d
>NAM/WWII GI
so bad it's good:
>exploding lips
so bad it's bad:
>dr. radiaki
>island peril
>nerves of steel
>slob zone
burning the box would be more enjoyable:
>tekwar
>operation bodycount
>extreme paintbrawl

i need to play more late-90s stuff, there's way too many trash wolf3d clones on that list

>>5302641
I would have put Nerves of Steel at the bottom, I have no fucking idea how there exist people who have fond memories of that shite.

>>5302661
yeah fair, i made the list as i went and just missed it when moving stuff into the bottom category

>>5302641
>hating on TekWar

>>5302641
>i need to play more late-90s stuff, there's way too many trash wolf3d clones on that list
Hexen 2, Quake's standalone-ish expansion packs like Malice, Quiver, Chasm, Blood 2 and Shogo come to mind.

>>5302536
From top to bottom of the ones I've beaten
>god tier
Quake
Doom (Ultimate)
Blood
>great tier
Doom 2
Doom 64
Duke Nukem
Heretic
Hexen
Hexen 2
Powerslave (console)
>good tier
Shadow Warrior
Outlaws
Marathon
Powerslave (DOS)
Unreal Gold SP
>meh tier
Quake 2
Strife
Disruptor
Chex Quest
>bad tier
Redneck Rampage
Witchaven
>dogshit tier
Chasm The Rift
Blood 2

There are many more bad games I've played, but I rarely actually finish them. Don't know why the fuck I suffered through Chasm in its entirety.

>>5302641
why is duke nukem called douk here?

>>5302664
You like the seizure levels at the end?

>>5302664
don't even fucking try me on tekwar
i played that shitshow all the way through, it is exactly where it belongs
i didn't even have the FMV cutscenes so i wasn't even getting bitched at by Shatner for killing people who shot at me first and it still belongs at the bottom

>>5302668
i'm definitely interested in hexen 2, chasm, and shogo. blood 2 i might be able to live without.

>>5302678

>>5302670
>Don't know why the fuck I suffered through Chasm in its entirety.
There's been a strange trend of nostalgia for it kicking about and I have no idea why, started before PanzerChasm was out.

who's got that duke nerd comic

Am I the only one who likes his maps? Saying his name is a bannable.
Pic related. There's a certain purity to his maps.

>>5302729
wot?

>>5302729
Do you have any examples of this person's work?

>>5302730
don't engage

>>5302732
>>5302730
No; but they've been posting in this thread. I'm not risking the ban.

How the FUCK do i FUCKING get the FUCKING gus emulation to FUCKING work with FUCKING chocolate/crispy FUCKING doom?
I put the FUCKING path to the FUCKING patch files in and i get NO FUCKING MUSIC. The readme is vague as fuck too so I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. I also tried setting up eawpats with timidity but that also led to NO FUCKING MUSIC.

>>5302795
sir this is a christian server

>>5302795
brutal doomguy? is that you?

>>5302803
>>5302804
my inability to configure this shit is making me fairly angry, the fact i can't blow up demons to sweet midi sounds is making it worse

Any more wads like Vile Flesh, that actually put mind into design/gameplay rather than focusing on visuals and looking complex on the automap?

>>5302345
anything that is not a brush, plus
any brush that is more than just a solid block with textures

>>5302601
nah, senpai

>>5302823
KDIZD :)

>>5302831
I wonder what that code does?

>>5302831
I should've inb4'd that.

Post underrated shotguns.
I'll go first. They might not all be retro.
>Half Life 1, that altfire
>Halo 3
>Accessories to Murder pump action shotgun
>Demonsteele's knockoff Marathon shotgun

>>5302864
quake 4 shotgun

>>5302864
Dakka's normal shotgun.

>>5302867
oh fuck you're right!

>>5302795
>>5302814
so nobody is using the gus emulation in chocolate doom huh
fuck my fucking life, i've been at this for fucking hours

>>5301725
You take that back, the boomerang subweapon is the bomb both as an item and a sword attack. If you can't see the utility of a spinning whirlwind of death orbiting your head while letting you go ham with your fists, then your need to take your gmota and gtfo

>>5302864
The only good Halo shotgun was the first.

>>5302729
no, saying s'arais' name is not a bannable offense

>>5302878
You're the first person I've seen who likes it. I'm happy with the sword tech for the boomerang but the actual subweapon itself just doesn't feel right to me.

Are there any good monster mods for Doom 2 that work with other gameplay wads?

>>5302904
i like it a lot, myself, i just wish it was something a little more than "thrown projectile that travels out", because there's a lot of those (knife, lance, axe...)

>>5302904
Change it to pick up Blaz and carry him around the map as he screams.
>>5302912
Combined_Harms.

>>5302904
Well if it's any help to you to improve it if that's what you feel, beyond the sword tech, I like to stock up on the boomerangs and use it as a quick spamable attack close range that refills itself. Maybe your could add some unique spin on it, like it flies around a bit more or the ability to cue up more than one in a toss?

>>5302915
That's my beef with it. I was trying with the idea of giving it that AoE flinch effect one of Blaz's punches have and lower the rate of fire so it becomes less of a spam subweapon and more of a supplement to fighting in melee more.

>>5302917
I can't find a ton of info on what Combined Harms includes, how much monster variety is there?

>>5302898
That's pretty newsworthy.
Still, a lot of what is done just needs the proper touch. Just look at map03 of confinement 256 in comparison to the fuckshow of Skycrack.wad

>>5302601
>>5301557
pls no ban

>>5302912
DRLA Monsters has several varieties of monsters for each enemy type, I think.
>>5302927
Combined Harms I'm pretty sure just alters some stuff about the base monsters and that's it I think. I know cacos deflate like a balloon in Harms.

>>5302927
It doesn't add additional monsters but it changes up how most of them fight with some alternate attacks. Pain elementals barf up barrels at close range, cacodemons have a chance of firing charge shots, etc.

>>5302928
>That's pretty newsworthy.
not really

>>5302938
Not literally.

>wad starts out really good and fun to play with interesting level design
>second half is just a shitfest with a million enemies

every time

>>5303021
This sort of shit makes more and more of a compelling argument for wads that are only about 10 to 15 maps long but keep a consistent quality level throughout, rather that ones that drag on and the mappers stop giving a fuck.

>>5303021
Such is the state of doom these days.

>>5303036
I think that's something a lot of authors should be considering when setting out to make a megawad, but also I've played enough good full sets that I don't think that needs to be a hard rule.

>>5303037
>these days
it's been a thing since always. see: hell revealed.

>>5303049
I don't know how it is now but when I used to go on Doomseeker I got so fucking tired of everyone just playing HR 1 and 2

>>5303060
cause when you're playing multiplayer you need hard maps to pose at least some challenge.

>>5303045
I think it's really a case of knowing your limits, which a lot don't seem to have a grasp of.

Probably also something of a feeling of commitment to having the full set because everybody else does.

>>5303037
>>5303049
If anything megawads nowadays are tamer (for the most part, looking at you Sunlust). JPCP and STRG's latter halves are great for example.

>>5303067
True. The common example of "Well Tag 666 and Tag 667 work on Map 07, so I HAVE to use them!", which has lead to a lot of not very good maps, most being subpar clones of Dead Simple.

I think with a team working on a megawad, you could be looking at less risk for fatigue by the late stages. Optionally, one could pad out the level sets with some 'filler', ergo maybe you have a couple of real short little gauntlet maps to squeeze in between the real maps, possibly a couple of linear levels with little goals or fighting in them, basically just a transition from one proper map to the next.

>>5303021
Good right?
Bonus points if it's an extremely nice looking map or very complex in appearance. It seems some mappers have an excellent grasp on architecture, but almost forget that it needs to coincide with gameplay, so they just randomly throw in obscene amounts of monsters and call it a day
Personally, slaughter just seems really lazy and I'm tired of every mapset devolving into it at some point, almost out of some sense of obligation

>>5303045
Biowar was one of the few full megawads that did keep me engaged enough to sit through and complete. Never felt it was so easy it was boring or so difficult it was ridiculous

>>5303123
>Optionally, one could pad out the level sets with some 'filler', ergo maybe you have a couple of real short little gauntlet maps to squeeze in between the real maps, possibly a couple of linear levels with little goals or fighting in them, basically just a transition from one proper map to the next.
Kind of fits an idea I'd been having based on the sort of "elsewhere" mini levels Kid Chameleon had that you could go to on some levels instead of just doing normal stage progression.

>>5303123
Again, much of this wouldn't be a problem if members of the community would be willing to work together on a singular map. Even one of them is a massive undertaking and; for all the shit we give some of the newer people, we need to understand that they've tried communicating their grievances, and just get frustrated when older members of the community just wave them off and act like they aren't even trying.

>>5303131
>Personally, slaughter just seems really lazy and I'm tired of every mapset devolving into it at some point, almost out of some sense of obligation
Good slaughter takes quite a bit of skill and the ability to avoid the temptation to just spam all over the place.

Bad slaughter is often the result of people who started with good intentions for a map getting tired with it.

>>5303131
Biowar? The old 90's one with H.R Giger art on the walls and a secret Juggalo level?
It had a couple of pretty groovy music tracks, but I otherwise found the levels to not be anything special, I think I gave up somewhere in the midpoint, because challenge wasn't anything remarkable, the levels weren't very visually interesting, and weren't all that engaging to play.

>>5303147
>Again, much of this wouldn't be a problem if members of the community would be willing to work together on a singular map.
what? no, this would change nothing at all

>>5303147
A: multiple people working on a single map is already a thing, a very common practice is someone doing the layout and someone else doing the detailing/decoration. this is especially common in the 32-by-24 series.
B: it doesn't change anything, you still have people burning out by map 10 and trying to figure out how to escalate things further
C: "for all the shit we give some of the newer people, we need to understand that they've tried communicating their grievances" i feel like this is very much a passive-aggressive rant in disguise

Is there a mod that adds the Riot Gun from Shadow Warrior into Doom?

>>5303198

The majority of 90s Dehacked weapon mods had the Riot Gun in some capacity.

>>5303147
>if members of the community would be willing to work together on a singular map
No, that's not really a good idea.

>>5302549
Thanks I guess...
But i'll still have to recolor it to green anyway :P
And it doesen't help that I work with multiple layers in photoshop to make some animations so a layerless image is not gonna be all that useful to me, sorry. I am a lazy slob, so I think I'll have something to show for it in a week or so.

Any mods similar to DoomRLA or HXRTC? Random elements, lots of progression.

>>5303350
Wrath of Cronos.

https://youtu.be/hAY1MXcpTTw

>>5303378
The anticipation is killing me

>>5303378
>Not d_runnin but it's only the first note

>>5303378

>>5303378
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETyl3C-dqNw

also someone give me a Q2 reaction image
we have so many Q1 ones

>>5303354
I'm enjoying this so far but I'm having an issue where a lot of the weapon and item sprites don't show up in the world. Playing in doom.

>>5302617
>>5302613
>>5302609
Looks more like something out of UT'99 to me (which is a good thing)

You walk into the room and all you see is demon BUTTS

>>5303481
finally, good fap material

>>5301505
well
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hm

>>5303481
Thicc

>>5303516
and you say you're incapable of drawing a map design

progress is progress

>>5303204
Yeah, I found this:

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/combos/p0wer_x

The gun feels great, but the fact that I have no idea how to convert it to Decorate and make it a standalone gun for personal use is a bummer. I did that with the baseball bat from Urban Brawl and the M4 from a brutal doom expansion.

>>5303414
It's got a series of patches and stuff you run when not in Hexen.

>>5303516

>>5303589
> preacher with HND
it just fits

Not that it'd happen or anything, but would you tune in to a 24-hour mapping stream? Just some dipshit learning DoomBuilder 2 and going non-stop until the same time the next day?

>>5303649
People have done those before but usually for experienced mappers.

>>5303649
12 hours is already pushing it. Please don't kill yourself over mapping.

>>5303481
Adrian was a man of culture

>>5303659
>>5303665
I figured it could be a neat learning experience for me while getting live feedback and advice. The 24 hour runtime would just be for fun. I pulled much worse shifts when I was in the Navy