/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[1-7] Discharge, a 9-level wad for ZDoom
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=63169

[1-1] GZDoom 3.7.1
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63098

[1-1] SM190 - Six Textures released for Quake
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm190_pack.zip

[12-31] La Tailor Girl updated to 1.70H
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1085657#p1085657

[12-31] PortaDOOM Cacowards 2018 Released
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases/

[12-30] 100 Minutes of /vr/ on Doomworld
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103723-100-minutes-of-vr-half-the-time-half-the-maps/

[12-28] GZDoom 3.7.0 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63032

[12-26] Anon makes a mutator 'ArmorisHitPoints'
https://my.mixtape.moe/lnuzbw.zip

[12-26] ESRGAN algorithm used to make HD Textures for RTCW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyRfptKJutU

[12-26] The Merry Christmassy Doom Project
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103649-the-merry-christmassy-doom-project-a-limit-removing-project-from-doomer-boards/

[12-26] Anon map release: Exotic Exports
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtv23e9k4c9g462/Exotic%20Exports%201.2.zip?dl=0

[12-26] DOOMBA, a Roomba script that turns clean maps into Doom maps
https://twitter.com/DickWhitehouse/status/1077227171482021889 (embed)

[12-24] Hellshots Golf sees a formal release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEHK4iBiXc
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=61021

[12-16] Doomsday's 2.1 update released
http://blog.dengine.net/2018/12/doomsday-2-1-released/

[12-15] BloodGDX and WitchavenGDX both updated
http://m210.duke4.net/

[12-13] Spram's Metroid Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102880-sprams-metroid-doom-released/

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>>5293897
touche

First for Boogerman doom mod request.

I like cacodemons

Dakka was fun I just ran a few levels through it. It makes the BFG into an automatic weapon.

So... It processes the code at double ticrate, but can it draw weapon sprites on screen at that rate? I mean, could we possibly get a weapon that animates at 70 frames per second if that powerup is used? Or will it simply cut down every other frame and just process its code next frame?

>>5293537
I didn't misunderstand anything or respond to the wrong post.

>>5293921
no, all it does is halve the length of all weapon states, rounding up

>>5291698
I haven't really done anything since this. Gotta try and figure out good detailing to start chipping out some more rooms; and the weird curvy shit everywhere for the halls.

>>5293927
But how exactly does it do that?

>>5293930
it does it exactly the way I said it does
a state that lasts 3 tics gets halved, then rounded up, and runs for 2 tics instead
you don't get 70 tics a second

If anyone has the "Rise of the Triad Goodies Pack" please tell me what it's good for.
Do I just drag and drop the "more levels" from it into the same folder as WinRottGL? Thanks..

>>5293934
Continuing from this if anyone knows:
So WinRott1.74 is just shit and 1.70, the one they removed from the official website for some reason, is the only one that actually works?

>>5293931
you said "states", implying that if state consists of series of 1-tic frames it would still halve its duration somehow.

>>5293928
haha i'm kind of lying it seems

>>5293943
no, all those 1 tic states will remain 1 tic
you're confusing states with state labels. states are what you're calling frames, and what you're calling states are the state labels ("Spawn", "See", "Fire", etc) .

Finally goind through Strange Aeons, and I have to say: what was the mapper thinking when he introduced secrets that can only be accessed ONCE and last for 2-3 seconds meaning you HAVE to know where they are to get them before they close, which is almost impossible on the first try.
Also black+grey accurate hitscanners on dark backgrounds sure are fun. Especially if they are weilding two sawnoffs.

>>5293949
and this too
other than that i'm still glazing through Otex. Anybody who wants to hop on, give me a shout; we'll be using Otex and D1tex.
Keep in mind you're mostly joining under the assumption that you'll be working on your own map; assisting others is optional; as is taking assistance for one's map.

>>5293958
I want to go back and do this. I couldn't figure out where to go in a level and planned to return back to it but never did.

>>5293949
looks neat.

>>5293963
hey man, thanks.
primary colors/theme is "demonic supercomputer" with some nasty surprises here and there in terms of traps and combat orchestration.
if you wanna join on in the development, i'll post the wad somewhere so people can get an idea of what I'm trying to visually create; and maybe teach some people some basic shennanigans.
the map was initially inspired by cheshyre's patreon track
but the MC11 theme fit the name better.
flesh-and-blood techbase made by hell, basically.
you're free to do whatever with your map, though. I'm just doing this to play with Otex. I don't expect quality.

>>5293958
Strange Aeons is neat but after the second or third episode I kind of get done with it.

I kind of end up liking some of the dude's other mapsets more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNxYeJk37gw

On an unrelated note, forgot this guy was in here.
heh.
Shame the map's really bad, though.

>>5293979
WHY AM I DYING

>>5293979
Pistol snipe ftw

>>5293995
Brother.
>>5293986

Playing DOOM with a trap soundfont is the most nigga shit I have ever heard and done

Setting up Rise of the Triad with source ports is a pain in the fucking ass. Is there a "best" way to do this?

I just installed this naughty girl. What am I in for?

>>5294060
A rubdown

>>5293979
I really gave the icon too much health in hindsight, among other problems.

>>5294060
an incomplete story

guys i just got this working and i'm excited

So Extreme Rise of the Triad was released basically for free in the Site License 1.3 edition of Rise of the Triad. Even though in the DOS program Extreme.exe that was on the original Extreme Rise of the Triad release it says you need version 1.3 of Rise of the Triad to use the Extreme pack, that was a lie and version 1.2a works just fine. So the Steam version, I'm assuming then, is version 1.3 Site License Edition. Fuck this is confusing.

Can anyone confirm that the Steam version of Rise of the Triad contains the "sequel" Extreme Rise of the Triad in it as well?

>>5294085
Before anyone says anything, I understand that the Extreme Rise of the Triad levels on their own are completely free. What I want is confirmation that the Steam version is in fact the Site License 1.3 Edition because that would mean that getting the commercial version of 1.3 is basically impossible for me (the 1.2 to 1.3 patch doesn't work for me at least).

>>5294082
what

>>5294082
another vanity pic, from the hallway

>>5294090
Maze Wars - Remastered

>>5294089
doom-style 2.5D renderer, running on a genesis emulator

>>5294093
it might be hard to tell, but what I'm trying to show off in these pictures is varying height between the two areas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8T3Fgj4aNU

10/10 soundtrack though.

>>5294096
So you've added height to Doom? I'm not sure I get it..

>>5294104
Doom already has height.

I just added the capability to my engine, which I posted in the previous thread, and thought I would post a screenshot.

>>5294082
>>5294090
Based, but seeing this type of thing always depresses me because it will never be more than a tech demo. I would be surprised if you can get more than 5 fps using a real map.

>>5294110
There are already dozens of good versions of doom though. This is just fun to work on.

>>5294115
Don't stop, just be realistic about what you'll get out of it

>>5294117
Of course. It's only a 7MHz 68000 after all.

>>5294094
stop being a magician

If the catcodemon misbehaves; spray it with water. Do not put it down.

>>5294128
It died. Anon, why did you tell me to do this?

>>5294060
brutal, savage, shrekt

>>5294132
What the fuck, Did you use holy water?

Does Steam version of Rise of the Triad include Extreme Rise of the Triad in its files or not?

>>5294137
Just put a bit of lemon in it. Wanted that little caco to smell nice. Lemons can't possibly be holy.

>>5294143
I don't see why; it's said all lemons are evil.

>>5294150
Must've been a holy caco then. Still an asshole. RIP

>going trough CC1 (with FKER monsters and FinalDoomer as BTSXguy)
>map12 is a total chore (with death pits and one try secrets)
>map13 is by the same author (use3D)
should i just skip it?
also, what's with these spectral cacos? only the ssg can hurt them

>>5294143
>>5294128
When life gives you Cacos, you make Caconade!

why do dorks release maps anonymously?

>>5294269
Shame. I do the same with my artwork and music.

>>5294269
Gotta keep my obituary short

>>5294128
Remastered Edition

>>5294343
Remastered *Brutal edition

>>5294293
Anon Died
????-????

>>5293535
>Most amateur mappers are being chased away from the community simply because their work isn't completely flawless
[citation really fucking needed]

>>5294354
>What is The Joy of Mapping?

>>5294269
which one are you referring to

>>5293535
> meanwhile even the best cacoward winners have glaring flaws and severe "Wherethefuckdoigo"isms; getting by simply because of e-cred of the author.
DBT had negative e-cred for winning a worst wad of the year award even though the mod in question was popular at the time, yet he still won a positive award later on for D4D. Also Mark is very popular, yet he's hated across the core community, too. Cacowards also tend to have newcomers getting awards. Almost like you're full of shit.

>>5294346
Should have recolored the water to yellow

>>5294367
literally welcomed everyone except for a single autistic neckbeard shithead

also >>5294383 is correct, especially in 2018 where the majority of the winners were newcomers

>>5293958
>>5293970
For me, it was carried by the atmosphere and I love Lovecraft. Episode 1 was my favorite. Something about fighting on a shattered world in a void just spooks me.

>>5294440
>a single autistic neckbeard shithead
Who got himself kicked out not for his mapping, but for his behavior and claims that other people were trying to deceive and misguide him.
And still holds and parades this claim around to this day, apparently.
Coincidentally enough, has never released a complete mapset since. Isn't that funny?

The only people you can really say were "chased away" from the community is the morons at Doomerboards, which began because the dude got really sad that he wasn't treated nicely at Doomworld and so started his own forum.
Where they still continue to map to this day, actually.

Damn the scav has a nice ass.

>>5293926
So you're just a downie with bad taste, then.

>>5293930
Halfs the duration of frames, if that's possible.
10 turns to 5, 5 turns to 3 due to said rounding, 2 turns to 1, 1 and 0 stays 1 and 0 respectively.

Rank the Doom episodes.

>>5294507
Knee
Inferno
Shores
Flesh

>>5294507
from ez to hard
flesh
shores
inferno
knee

>>5294524
Don't you mean the other way around?

>>5294538
no
fight me

johnny deep knee
shore hell
intern
the flashed console

So I'm going through Nehahra, and I'm stuck on neh2m1: The Gates of Ghoro. I killed General Ghoro, but nothing seems to have opened up. Also I lost all of my weapons except the double-barreled shotgun, the autoshotgun, and the sprocket launcher when the level started. Is that supposed to happen or is it a bug? It might because it's a new episode, but I still have my health and armor values from when I completed neh1m9, and there's no episode select like in base Quake.

>>5294608
did you hit the button?

>>5294619
So this is the room where I fought Ghoro, and I haven't had any luck finding the button. Though I might be missing it because I'm still pretty incensed about the possibility of most of weapons being gone.

>>5294631
did you hit the button?

>>5294557
johnny deep knee
yes papa?
thy sugar consumed?
no papa

>>5294637
why did I laugh

>>5294640
open your guts
ha ha hAAUUGGHGHGHH

>>5294557
>the flashed console

Are you guys sure that mouse-look off is the ideal way to experience Doom these days? I mean, I know the game wasn't designed with mouse-look in mind, but it still had auto-aim to compensate for it.

So why not play the game with mouse-look on and auto-aim off?

>>5294691
>So why not play the game with mouse-look on and auto-aim off?
Who are you replying to? That's like a common opinion.

>>5294082
Nice. Looking good.

>>5294104
Anon is making a doomesque engine for Genesis hardware.

>>5294691
Actually, the auto-aim is not just a compensation. The game was also designed around auto-aim and it's limits.
Like how it actually has a range, so if there's a Chaingunner far away, you can't hit it with auto-aim.
And also how auto-aim always hits the enemies closer too you, so in a situation when in front of you there are a bunch of pinkies on the ground and imps above and further away, with auto-aim you're forced to dodge imps fireballs and kill pinkies before you can kill imps. Without auto-aim this situation becomes trivialized, because then you can just shoot directly at the imps.

>>5293890
has this been updated with the speed of dying threads?

>>5293657
After maps 31 and 32, i'm the start of map 16 then saved and quit.
But i'll be back soon.

>>5294691
The original game is for keyboard + mouse turning, using auto-aim to compensate for the absence of vertical aiming.

These days though, sure, if you want to, turn off auto-aim and use freelook.
Be mindful that there are some levels can be easily broken by freelook.

>>5293887
How do I make a character selection menu like the one in Hexen, Russian Overkill, Wrath of Cronos etc.? I want to make different characters wiith their own weaponry.

>>5294635
I've found all 3 of the secrets on this map and I still can't find a switch to open the gate out of here.

Some sky tests.

>>5292059
I wonder if why some people don't think Doom's hell is that iconic or interesting is a mix of the plot not mattering that much with the favorism for the first episode, since it was free.

Why am I so bad at finding secrets in Doom? I played the third level to completion with 0 secrets found even though I tried to find them.

>>5294846
Look for misaligned or differing wall textures.

>>5294846
Yeah a big reason I like Quake secrets is because they're more likely to use neat jumping puzzles instead of just humping every wall hoping it's a false panel.

Bloodspeed Map 14

>>5294856
Doom 4 did that too where the secrets were more about finding hard to reach compartments and passageways usually through jumping.

>>5294846
think of how doom levels work and the features for doom mapping like invisible triggers and such

>>5294862
Yeah I really liked that part of the game. A shame there's an upgrade to direct you to secrets, though at least they don't tell you how to get to them. Other thing I disliked was the enemy count, lack of real modding, and being trapped in rooms with enemies. Other than that I enjoyed the game a lot.

>>5294830
>classic hell expands on its looks while modern hell expands on its background

>>5294865
>. A shame there's an upgrade to direct you to secrets
All it does is make a noise when you're right next to a secret area, which is something your map tells you anyway (grey area you seemingly can't find a way to at first). I found it almost completely useless. Doesn't tell you when you're near a lever that opens a retro level area either, those were a real pain to find.

>>5294813
ok but did you hit the button?

>>5294831
>>5294829
what about both a city in the background and twisted skulls?

>>5294883
I'm trying anon!

>>5294085
I'd like to know as well.

Also, you should probably know that the level design in Extreme ROTT often gets cruel, outright sadistic.
For instance, one level requires that you clear a gap by running, if your character isn't fast enough, you get stuck and can't beat the level.
But now you're thinking "Ah, just pick the fastest character." WRONG! She can't clear the gap either, you need to play as the redhead girl, or you literally cannot beat this level.

There's just a lot of things like that in Extreme, and for a lot of people it's just not fun. It doesn't go full Kaizo or anything, but there's enough moments where you'll find yourself asking "Why did you do this to me?"

>>5293887
Any Transformers-themed Doom WADs?

one thing is the spiderdemon sprites but something i thought neat about meta doom was its female face sprites, since a lot of those in doom mods don't always look good

>>5294507
Knee Deep in the Dead

>>5294090
Great work! Frame-rate is always more pleasant to play than graphical richness. Just focus on fluid movement and you could have something highly playable. (Some Quake 3 players play textureless to this day)

>>5294941
Anon only has the shareware.

>>5294082
Cool. Do you have any ideas on what you want the game to be, or is this just a tech demo?

>>5294887
I have some of that in fact.

I also made this disgusting shit.
The old Beta leftover files are full of neat stuff you can use.

Wonder what an environment like this would smell like? Licorice?

>>5293887
Can Ketchup DOOM and Nash gore work with Heretic, Strife, and Chex at all without major bugs?

>>5294824
>>5294825
>>5294829
>>5294831
>>5294972
>>5294983
>>5294991
Looking good anon

I just started playing Duke 3D (Steam version) for the first time, but then I heard about EDuke32. Should I play that, or some other version, instead, or is the Steam version fine?

>>5295057
>playing any old game on steam
>paying gearbox

>>5295057
you're probably playing the dosbox version unless it's megaton or world tour (worth only for the commentaries). use eduke3d if dosbox is the case, the others are somewhat ok though.

>>5295062
dosbox version and megaton were delisted after gearbox won the lawsuit.

>>5294269
Not everybody wants the attention. especially in such a drama-prone community.

>>5295086
just pirate it, none of the devs are getting the money anyway. or seek out a physical copy, they are not that hard to come by.

>>5294950
I don't know. I've never been good at following an arbitrary goal, like "make a fun game", versus an exact thing like "make an engine that can display doom maps". So maybe just a tech demo, but I hope something other people can build stuff with.

>>5294883
I found out what was wrong. Quakespasm and Nehahra don't like each other, so I had to go find an engine that would run it fine.

I made my very first couple rooms. Obviously nothing special, but I'm surprised at how fun it is to make. Still figuring everything out, and hopefully this is a first step into map making. I'd like to expand it into a mapset for Hideous Destructor.

>>5295136
What editors do people use these days for Doom maps?

>>5295086
The commentaries in World Tour are actually kind of interesting actually.
Does anyone have a rip of them? In a few places you can't hear what they're saying because of ambient noise.

Megaton is very mediocre overall, though it did offer the delightful Duke Caribbean expansion, before the publishers realized "Oh hold on, fuck, we don't own it!"

>>5295136
Looks better than most beginner maps. You should probably pick a wood texture for that wood furniture instead of grass textures.
>>5295143
GZDoom Builder (usually bugfix) or Doom Builder X.

>>5295120
Maybe just slap some Quake textures on it for simplicity or something.

Are there any mods for Doom that make the game more tacticool, but are not as insane as HD? I was thinking something like Delta Force or Counter Strike.

>>5295147
if you still have duke3d dosbox on steam it still includes those expansions in its folder and duke zone as well. there's also NAM and World War II GI that works with eduke32 if you happen to own those on steam or other means.

>>5295176
realgunsadvanced :)

>>5295149
>You should probably pick a wood texture for that wood furniture instead of grass textures
Yeah, I wanted a texture that looked cushion-y, but the grass doesn't look right.

>>5295149
>>5295195
Different anon, I actually really like that use of grass. Looks like a felt-topped table to me. Maybe wrap the edges in 2 or 4 pixels of wood or some brown flat. It would match PANEL1/3 pretty well. I always thought those would've made equal if not more sense as flats anyway, but maybe I'm looking at them wrong. (You could always cheat and use PANEL3 as a flat, but I think that's a ZDOOM derivative feature?)

>>5294972
awesome
a lot of these look good

Is the super shotgun a meme? I can't help but find it inferior to the pump shotgun

>>5295214
the normal shotgun is a meme
what does it do that the SSG or chaingun can't do better?

>>5295214
the ssg does nearly 50% more damage per shell
shotgun: 70 damage / 1 shell
ssg: 200 damage / 2 shells

>>5295197
Maybe something like this looks a bit more like a bench? Could be mistaken for a plant pot, but I like it better.

>>5295214
Imagine having a brain deformed enough to conceive such an objectively wrong thought.

>>5295176
I guess kind of the old Immoral Conduct, in that there's grenades (which do shrapnel), and how guns are generally rather powerful.

I think a HD Light could have some appeal though.

>>5295214
The supershotgun is really good at close ranges, and is good against groups of low tier mooks, or for somewhat reliably stunning arch-viles.

>>5295225
>>5295227
The regular shotgun has much tighter spread and uses half the ammo.
At an 'across the street' distance, the super shotgun has quite loose spread, while the pump shotgun still has reasonably tight spread.
Due to it's horizontal spread pattern, it's also fairly good for shooting at rows of mooks up on ledges, as well as for shooting incoming cacos.

>>5294415
or FIREBLU

>>5295242
i think it looks great, the aesthetic of the room as a whole is neat.

>>5295268
> ammo conservation
when aren't you tripping over shellboxes, shell pickups, or shotguns from shotgunners
> spread
cg does more dps and can have zero spread
also you can just, you know, run at them at 500+ units per second to make it a non issue

the chaingun is a better shotgun that you need to aim more

>>5295271
This is better
>>5294346
wtf you monster
stop illegal cacodemon slaughter

>>5295242
I like it, anon. Maybe raising the cushion one more pixel or two would define it enough to prevent mistaking it for a planter, I don't see that so much myself but that's subjective probably. If all else fails, it also looks nice with FLAT5_3 and REDWALL sides, or FLAT14 and COMPBLUE sides.

>>5295214
It is. It's nowhere near as OP as it's made out to be. It has a whole plethora of issues that can fuck you up in tense situations: It's terrible to use in a monster closet situation, it can't effectively deal with enemies attacking you from multiple angles, it can't deal with enemies at range, and missing or not lining up a shot properly can be completely and utter devastating.

It's not terrible, don't get me wrong, but you're not going to breeze through the game with it either like people try to exaggerate. It has some intentionally crafted drawbacks.

>>5294458
[biased opinion]

>>5294110
Someone made a perfectly playable, closely authentic port of Wolfenstein 3D, which had a good and consistent framerate on the Genesis.

>>5295214
>>5295276

it's great just use it right. if you've played through doom 2 and it isn't obvious how to use it you're an idiot basically

>>5295280
>It's terrible to use in a monster closet situation
If you ask me, the normal shotgun is the worse one there, it just doesn't have the power to keep you from being overwhelmed

>>5294971
that trick isn't applicable for this (since it uses almost all the cpu), but I can do dithering and maybe even basic light levels

>>5295283

and doom is a lot more demanding..

>>5295294
that's true, but it's possibly a bit more versatile at all, you can use it in close-range and at distance.

problem is, doom 2 puts you in close-range situations that are beyond it's capability. in doom 1, the normal shotgun is generally good enough.

>>5295304

most situations the regular shotgun is more useful than the super (mostly just former humans, sergeants, sometimes imps), the chaingun is even better

>>5295214
>>5295225
>>5295227
>>5295247

>>5295304
but, again
you probably have a chaingun too
which is better at range, does more dps up close, and can keep enemies at bay thanks to stunlocking rapid fire

>>5295307
true but i find making accurate shotgun shots more satisfying than the chaingun.

anyway, just added moveable floors and ceilings

>>5295307

though if they're all bunched up super > regular a lot of the time anyway

>>5295276
>when aren't you tripping over shellboxes, shell pickups, or shotguns from shotgunners
Depends on what maps you play.

>cg does more dps and can have zero spread
But with a separate ammo pool.

>also you can just, you know, run at them at 500+ units per second to make it a non issue
Not if they're somewhere you can't reach.

>>5295225
drop 5 zombies/sergeants in 1 click

solution
> merge SG and SSG
> pick up either and you get the same shotgun
> SG comes with accuracy increase
> SSG comes with damage increase
> base stats are a middleground between the two
> it is now a lever action

>>5295312
based and redpilled

>>5295321
> 7 X 5-15 dmg
> 5 X 20-30 hp
math does not add up
each zombie would take a minimum of 2 pellet, netting you 3 kills at the absolute best

>>5295225
>>5295227
>>5295247
>>5295268
>>5295280
>>5295290
The problem is that it takes a million years to reload. Like I don't know what's wrong with him, he like freezes midway and then glitches the fuck out

>>5295331

i know for sure i've gotten at least quad kills in 1 shot. map03 in doom 2. i'll test it real quick

>>5295332

the point is you use it when that reload time isn't gonna get you killed. watch someone who knows how to play if you can't figure it out lmao

>>5295332
shotgun refire rate: 37 tics (~1.05s)
ssg refire rate: 51 tics (~1.45s)

it's a 0.4s difference

>>5295331
>>5295336
The SSG has different spread than normal Shotgun.
Shotguns sread is only horizontal, while SSG is circular.

>>5294824
>>5294825
>>5294829
>>5294831
>>5294834
>>5294972
>>5294983
>>5294991
God, I can't wait until some build of this mod is released
I hope those guns feel as good to fire as they are to look at

>>5295343
yes, and?
a tighter spread doesn't increase the maximum actual damage

>>5295359
It's just that the regular Shotgun spread is wider, and thus hits more enemies.

>>5295347
Well, I'll try to.
I've kind of just been making a sky texture every now and then and put it in the .wad, there's 40 different ones currently.
I kind of do this in case I play a map which just comes with the default brown clouds and I want something more suitable.

I actually finally figured out how to do some cocking animations for the new revolver, so I should be looking at putting that thing in soon enough. All I need to now is reloading frames.

>>5295364
that's the exact opposite of how it actually is, what the fuck
shotgun spread is 5.6 degrees by 0 degrees, SSG spreaad is 11.2 degrees by 7.1 degrees

>>5295242
Try FLAT14 and COMPBLUE for the table's decoration. Also, some more variable/darker lighting would help the room a bit more. It's too bright.

>>5295359
Tighter spread means that hits stay concentrated at longer ranges.
The SSG is worth fuckall against cacos at a longer distance, while the regular SG can score full hits easy.

>>5295331
>>5295343

first try

>>5295373
and the chaingun can do 100% of its damage at any range and has its own ammo supply, meaning you don't lose out on 30 damage per shell
and the point was that a shotgun literally cannot kill even four zombiemen in one shot. each pellet does a max of 15 damage, so you need at least 2 to hit each zombie to kill it. the shotgun fires 7 pellets. 7 / 2 < 4.

>>5295384
that is not the regular shotgun
>the *normal shotgun* is a meme

>>5295386
>that is not the regular shotgun

what.. i never said it was. someone asked what the super can do that the regular can't. i said it can drop 5 dudes per click

>>5295391
he said the opposite

nevermind misread

MetaDoom's codex kinda works as a checklist of how far you go into the mod.
The only entry i'm missing is the lightning gun one, because i don't have it yet.

Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me here. I'm playing through Duke Nukem 3D on eDuke32 with DukePlus installed, and while I like a lot of the new features, I don't really like the new guns. I couldn't find an option in the menu to disable them, is there anything I can do?

>>5293960
>>5293949
>>5293928
more prototyping

>>5294507
Knee Deep in the Dead
Thy Flesh Consumed because of E4M2 and E4M6

The remainder of the game is utter shit leveldesign-wise.

>>5295446

>>5295464

>>5295446
>file was deleted
BUT WHY?

>>5295529

because i did some fix

>>5295281
nah bro
nah

>>5294728
Neither of the replies to the news from the past few threads had anything new to put on, so it's just been slow news for a while.

>>5294367
Didn't you make a huge fuss about an apology a couple days ago because of how much of a sperg you'd been?
Here I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I guess you still haven't changed and you'd still rather blame other people. I'm disappointed.

Which weapon WADs have your absolute favorite shotguns?

It doesnt need to be crazy OP. Just something that sounds and feels great to shoot.

sketching out a test map

>>5294367
It welcomed in the people that mattered.

>>5295584
It's your fault for trusting that retard in the first place.

>>5295617
well that's very geometrically boring.

>>5295579
a bunch of stuff has been posted but not as replies to the news post.

Holy dog, the brightmaps makes the glare of the Spidermind menacing as fuck when he's in pitch black darkness.
Not that you'd get frequent good looks at it anyway, but man, that's still cool.

>>5295635
I don't have any tools yet so I'm laying out this data structure by hand. It has more than 30 walls and 14 bsp nodes which is a lot of typing to make without a single mistake.

>>5295617
It seemed simple at first, but seeing that you're actually sketching out the BSP tree of all things made me realize you're the guy homebrewing for the Genesis.

>>5294367
>Absolutely Correct!

>>5295645
Wait what the fuck. You're typing the map out instead of placing the nodes and lines normally?

>>5295653
see >>5295646

>>5295656
Inconceivable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWJFudlrgvo

>>5295651
Everyone knows literally only you hold a grudge over TJOM, give it a rest.

>>5295673
I'm not sure how to feel about this
it's definitely flashy, and I like that they made the thunderbolt more unique and impressive, but something tells me all the flashy shit is gonna get in the way of gameplay more often than not, the weapon additions are questionable (did quake really need a chainsaw?), and >darkplaces

>>5295702
>Darkplaces is bad
How?

>>5295702
It originally supported Quakespasm, but I guess some of the effects and requirements turned it into DP-only

Which WADs have the sickest MAP01's? The ones that just cause a lasting first impression and grip you right from the get go.

I think my picks would be Jenesis and Ancient Ayys.

>>5295742
Shame the author of Jenesis is such a douche.

>>5295762
holy shit s'arais, shut the fuck up

>>5295626
I want to believe that people can change.
Even if he hates random people including me for absolutely no reason, even if he's made up everything that's happened to him, even if he's held onto this completely one-sided grudge for years, I wanted to believe that there's a bit of hope and that we can reconcile and he can improve and become a better person and a better developer.
Guess not. There was a moment of clarity, and then he's back to his old ways.

>>5295317
excelent

>>5295367
what is the name of the mod?

>>5295715
I don't like how it looks

>>5295762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKPzKm3JdD8

>>5295795
Immoral Conduct: Holy Fuck, Finish It Already

>>5295762
oh no a doom mapper is a meanie

>>5295806
this is the true power of posting your mods on github or similar: you never actually have to finish them!
also the easy rollbacks and version control stuff is nice I guess

>>5295806
>>5295367
I meant meant map

>>5294991
this map

>>5295814
you can count the number of gameplay mods that have actually been "finished" on one hand, so it's more the latter reason than anything else

>>5295817
the modder/mapper decides if a map is finished, not the recipient.

>>5295806
>>5295367
Anyone got a link for the newest version of the Zdoom version of IC?

This is the newest I'm getting by googling it https://github.com/Snarboo/ICD-ZD/tree/snarboo

>>5295818
you'd think that would've held off all the complaints for metroid dreadnought

>>5295832
never underestimate human stupidity.

Dummy here. Pls explain.

In Weapons of Saturn, what does the alt-fire of the Vulcan cannon do? It just seems to fire projectiles instead of hitscan bullets, but I can't tell if it's using extra ammo or doing more damage that way.

>>5293890
Qauke 1.5 beta coming January 18th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWJFudlrgvo

>>5295814
That would mean people would be playing a horribly unfinished version. I want to at least finish the weapons before I put it up.
There's no proper BFG currently, which means that any map where you're really expected to use one, you BETTER be gud or you're getting fucked.
There's also no long range explosive weapon, so either you'll have to hope you can lob a 37mm grenade into Baphomet's forehead from where you're standing, or you're probably not beating an Icon Of Sin encounter.

>>5295816
Oh, that's Kinsie's test map, which I started fidgeting with with my filthy mits because I was bored and rediscovered that Doombuilder is kind of fun.
It quite literally has no gameplay value, it's a test map that I doodle on like I'd doodle in the margins of my math books back in school.

I carved out that balcony space around the elevator test room, because I realized I needed a good spot to test and get a good look at how sky textures came out and worked.

>>5295850
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-15/news/quake-15-new-info-and-trailer

What's a good map or mod to fit with a Voivod album?

>>5295828
There's this: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=48036

It doesn't have the individual enemy counter thing on the HUD, but let's be real that feature was never that great.
It also doesn't have the AI partners of the original Special Edition, which in some ways can be seen as better, because they were dumb as a sack of dildoes.

Otherwise, it's very closely authentic. You need to load the ICD-SE.wad with it.

>>5294367
E3M14 is the best

>>5295840
projectiles instead of hitscan
more dmg and ammo burn

>>5295742
resurgence
fuck that megawad
also deus vult 2 was nice

>>5295790
term, quit being gullible, you've been on this site long enough to know better.

>>5295850
so... brutal quake?

>>5295850
>>5295854
On one hand we have a weapon/gameplay mod for Quake.
On the other hand its brutalshit.

An attempt was made

>>5295860
I've thought about making a voivod wad before, where you play as the voivod or korgull. anyway dead.wire is pretty voivodian imo

Can anyone please hook me up with the compatibility patch for Weapons Menu+ with NC HUD?

I know it exists because m8f released this screenshot showing it, but I'll be damned if I can find a link for it anywhere...

>>5295962
>Hah! I knew you'd take a shot for Mr. Lincoln.

How the fuck do people play the Inquisitor wads? I get 5-10 FPS no matter what my display settings are.

>>5296000
play it with boom or get a nasa supercomputer

So, did he beat TAT41?

>>5295715
it handles physics differently than most other ports
bhopping for instance feels off. acceleration isn't the same as vanilla quake

What is /doom/'s opinion on Faspons?

So far it looks like an improved version of Weapons of Saturn to me. Bretty gud.

>>5296061
I don't even remember, anon. I've played so many weapons mods and I still don't have a favorite.

my hack volumetric lights would look better if sprites could be drawn over geometry

>>5296081
That would require for the engine to support overdraw. Easy to implement in OGL.

>>5296081
Fix that fucking engine. REEEEEEEE!

>>5295790
If anybody actually bothered to work with them instead of constantly insulting everything they do; we wouldn't be in this situation.

>>5295641
Speaking of brightmaps...the ports do support things like normal/specular maps, right?
Given the extra work, is it possible to use normal maps on entity sprites or HUD weapons/overlays? So that they can interact with dynamic lighting instead of having a fixed brightness value for the entire sprite.

>>5295614
Final Doomer, BTSX's SSG is amazing. runner ups are the the shotguns from High Noon Drifter and Project MSX

>>5294367
This is bait, my dudes.

>>5296135
It's really not; a lot of people aren't happy by the attitude brought by JOM's elitism.

>>5295614
Hideous Destructor's pump shotgun. Popping out and blasting all your shells in pump mode feels really good.

>>5296141
It is. I'd know since I posted it. Just wanted to see what would happen.

>>5296105
If only. Maybe you'd see someone implement something like moving cloud shadows for sky-open sectors or the like if that was added.

>>5296150
Yeah, nah. Nice attempt to discredit though.

>>5293887
>>5293890
Zanieon has released Doom Church Album:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qblowc7ts7fdqyd

Preview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdgwYYADH4Q&list=PLIL5wx-DD9NGSPFzz8TAfLssfm-LiftM9

>>5295614
>>5296147
This. HD shotgun feels too damn smooth.

>>5296156
Been on here for a few weeks now. Lurking every now and then before that.
I just don't get why guys hold on to these things like they matter.

>>5296141
>redo other people's maps
>make them even more shitty because you're a hack
>get kicked out from the project
>blame more talented people, thinking they have it out against you

why haven't you killed yourself again?

>>5296165
They typically don't. The person who everybody keeps screaming about in regards to that had long ago given it a hand-wave and stated they'd much rather spend the time working on projects.
The opposing party, not so much.

you retards never learn

>>5296124
Don't take my word for it, but I think that GZDoom *might* support normal maps and specular maps.
Or it was just one of them, and/or the other is a planned feature.
I don't know fuckall if that's true, I might be completely misremembering.

It'd be great to see normal maps done for Doom though, because it looks sexy as fuck at low resolutions. Say what you want about DN3D World Tour, but it has normal maps and dynamic lights, and it does demonstrate just how good that can look with old low resolution 90s textures and sprites.

As for if it would be supported for enemy sprites, HUD, and weapons, I'd just have to assume that it would, because you can put brightmaps on Things, Flats, Textures, and your weapons.

>>5296141
We all know that's not true.

>>5296192
That's like, your opinion man.

>>5296169
I'm pretty sure most of the posts pretending to transparently be sarias are just some other shit troll. We've had a few dedicated shitposters since day one because they know people like you will respond.
But even if you didn't they would just reply to themselves in an attempt to rope others in.

>>5296081
If the spotlight texture up top matches the size of the cone then it's a convincing effect... until you turn on billboard mode for sprites

>>5296216
iirc actors can force billboarding to be disabled or enabled on themselves

>>5296239
Please tell me that's a full-auto energy crossbow

>>5296242
It's an ice crossbow friendo.
it's strength is also it's downside; whilst basically a near-hitscan rocket-launcher with slightly less damage, it also makes little ice-sculptures out of enemies that block some projectiles before breaking. This can backfire when you freeze yourself, which is what the introductory room here is supposed to display.

>>5296147
oh yeah, it's a real winner with all those fucking jams.

>>5296248
Oh, alright.

>>5296251
Full auto would be horribly broken and not really fit the theme
Plus, r667 listed it as a "cryobow" but it's also "palsma balsista" so either way I guess.

enmbjoi icecram broship

>>5296250
seriously
a fucking row of socks to the face is more reliable than that piece of shit in any situation

>>5296250
quit short stroking it than

>>5296254
Stroking your shotgun is very lewd.

>>5296252
Just looked like an overengineered alternative to the plasma gun. Some kind of bolter thing.
Now I know.

>>5296256
you need to pump it firmly so you can shoot your load, if you're not pumping it hard enough nothing's going to happen

>>5296257
It's cool dude; You could probably rescript/redecorate it to do just that, though.

>>5296260
This is a BLUE BOARD.

Say that I needed something to work as a dummy at a range, the actor just has to enter its pain state any time it is hit, and it only really needs two frames, static and pain.
What's a suitable graphic I could just go and grab and put to use?

>>5296279
quacodemin

>>5296279
Duke3D trash can.

>>5296281
I read that as Cacodenim at first.

>>5296287
Huh, now there's a thought.

>>5296293
>cacodenim
Cacodemons are the most adaptive of any hell lifeform; what with being demonic feline jellyfish.
They've taken particularity well to the oceans.

I'm having trouble taking a shit. Any suggestions?

So I've finished Nehahra, and the xmasjam maps. I'm going start working my way through Arcane Dimensions. Once I'm done with that, what are some other fun Quake maps to work through?

>>5296304
what is remotely feline about the cacodemon

just me asking because I don't really have any strong feelings toward cats whatsoever but I find cacodemons adorable as shit

>>5296324
they hiss when angry?

>>5296324

Silly question, but are there any Doom podcasts out there?

>>5296349
It isn't going on any more, but "Evolution of the Wad" sounds like it'd be up your alley.

>>5296324
>>5296328
>>5296330
These, plus general behavior and appearance
>furry
>cyclops cat-eye
>happy for some reason
>HISSSSSSSSS
>general noises
>aimless wandering
>does dumb things and hopes nobody saw it, pretending it didn't do that dumb thing.
>Instant comedy
>Looks like a tomato.

>>5296349
Doesn't seem that way, the big ones all went tits up sometime last year.

>>5296323
soul of evil, travail, bin dunne gorne

>>5296363
all of those relate more to dogs than cats.

>>5296365
I'll check those out, thanks anon!

>>5296372
dogs and cats originate from the same evolutionary animal. Dormaalcyon latouri

>>5296216
>>5296238
yeah, you gotta force x/y billboarding or it'll look like total garbage. e-z to do in decorate with that flag

>>5296382
>Dormaalcyon latouri
that's like 45 million years ago.

>naming your wad after a band or song

But when people read the title, they'll just want to hear that band/song

>>5296407
still counts dude

>>5296363
Furry? It's just red meat.

>>5296436
Bullshit. You can't tell me a cacodemon doesn't have fur.

>>5296438
ok
shambler being covered in either skin or fur is atleast debatable, since its rather ambiguous and messy
but cacos surface is clearly smooth and lumpy
and has spaghetti strands hanging from the bottom

Feeling a lil chilly all of a sudden

>>5296443
those are tendrils hence the jellyfish part
those are not clear and smooth; those are segments.
it has fur.
http://poal.me/br4bgm

>>5296447
FUCK

>>5296449
Nah.

>>5296459
Yah.

>Ice-viles

No thanks

>>5296465
Yes thanks
I'm tired of having my ass bu-...
oh, frostbite, right.

>>5296470
>>5296465
Also
>porn crop
Zane why do you do this?

>>5296472
It is not a porn crop!

>>5296474
Don't you tell me that isn't a porn crop. I've made many of my own in my time and that's a porn crop. You can tell by the resolution and expression.

>>5296475
I'm not going to post the full picture because that would be off-topic albeit completely SFW

>>5296483
>>5296474
> trusting berdly
never

>>5296483
>I'm not going to post the full picture because that would be off-topic albeit completely SFW
Bullshit you didn't convince me!

>>5296483
Just crosslink an image from a post on another board.

>>5293887
How do you niggas think about heretic/shadow of serpent riders?

>>5294060
Goat level design with Infinite replayability, great shotgun, story that fun as fuck to play.

>no fanart or mod support at all
FUCK

>>5293887
Recommend me some beautiful looking wads to play with beautiful doom

>>5296509
>>5296490
>>5296486
>>>/vg/240926237

>>5296563
how dissapointing

>>5296563
shamefur dispray

>>5296081
why don't you smooth the top side so it not touch the ceiling?

>>5296081
why don't you smooth the top side so it doesn't touch the ceiling?

>>5296396
Is this Doom? How was it done? please post example

>>5296239
>>5296252
I was actually frankenspriting it with some other guns to make a Wicked Etherial Ballista for a Heretic mod a while ago. Maybe I should return to that.

>>5295961
Eh, it's not stupid over the top bullshit weapons/redesigns/FUCK YOU or gameplay changes, just over the top violence so I don't hate it

>>5296474
>>5296475
>>5296483
>>5296486
>>5296490
>>5296509
I thought furry stuff wasn't allowed.

>>5295961
>>brutalshit
Brutal Doom is fun though, I expect Brutal Quake to be similarly entertaining.

In retro shooters like Doom, Blood, etc - when given the double-barreled shotgun, do you often find it useful when mods (or the vanilla game) give you the ability to fire one barrel at a time? Or do you rarely find use for that?

To me it *feels* like it's meant to be used that way mostly, to have a follow up shot ready for if the first one didn't down the target coming straight at you (as if you were hunting wildlife or something) and ALSO have the ability to fire both at the same time as the alt-fire, for those tougher enemies. It seems wasteful to always be firing both barrels at once - although you could argue that if you only wanted to use 1 shell, you could just use the regular pump shotgun. So I'm kind of torn there.

Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/tYjThckYqBQ?t=1148

>>5296536

knowing where some doom sounds come from, i'd imagine doomguy hearing a camel's noises giving him ptsd

>>5296903
Stuff pertaining to a board's subject that comes with furry elements more or less walks on eggshells, but I don't know shit about Undertale or whatever the fuck to know for certain about that image.

MetaQuake when?

>>5297067
Pumps usually have a slower RoF and thus less DPS, but having a magazine tube means that you'll have a shot ready after every pump until you need to reload.
Though in HD I really like using the super shotty to take out single targets, either by shooting them once and having a followup ready, or firing both into a meatier target.
To be frank though, coachguns are strictly inferior to pump actions due to their capacity and reload time, that's why most games artificially inflate their damage beyond being 2x of a normal buckshot blast.

To answer your question directly, I like it when they let me shoot the gun in single fire since you basically have a two-shot "semi-automatic" shotgun, making the volume of fire still feel powerful and dense.
BANG BANG sounds more impressive than BANG chkchk BANG.

>>5297067
Yes, that's a feature I always like seeing in a double barrel in a game.

Can anyone point me to a simple mod that changes Doomguy's grunt and pain sounds to Ranger's (Quakeguy's)?

I know Complex Doom does it by default, but I'd like to have it in other mods also. I like Faspons but really dislike how they changed the player's grunts.

>>5297271
That should be really easy to make yourself.

>>5297287
I know, but I'd figure I'd ask anyway, since it's probably been posted somewhere in these last 20+ years

Is it ok if can ask some opinions on some of my maps?

>>5297294
No. You'll never get anywhere "asking", like some kind of pansy.

>>5297294
POST EM and I'll play em

>>5297308
Ok then, ima link some that i worked alone on:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103320-i-forgot-my-keys-51-levels-pack/?tab=comments#comment-1940438
Currently on this one im planning on adding more maps and a story.

If interested i might also post some other maps that i have worked on comunity projects
from that secret level from dump3 to JOM 4 to 6 and mayhem orange edition (with fun facts)

>>5296903
Guess we better stop posting Guncaster then

the levels in freedoom are poorly designed health baren garbage

>>5297374
rude

>>5297391
is it not true?

>>5297374
Nice opinion. Contribute.

>>5297404
im not going to go through the freedoom wad sprinkling health packs around just to have people bitch about there being too many

>>5297329
Just finished it

The first couple levels were short and sweet, and I enjoyed the concept of the exit being right at the beginning and just having to find the key. They felt tight, CQC, and relatively easy on UV.

The latter two levels (the one with the big red rocket pit and the one with more open hallways) felt a little jarring in contrast to the others though. They were still fun and relatively easy, but it felt weird to suddenly go to such open areas when you were restricted to small rooms before. In the last level, maybe I wasn't paying attention but the blue key and blue switch seemed a bit time wastey to get, I'd rather have just finished the fight at the center of the map, getting the SSG, and then opening the blue door directly with the key card, but that's just me

>>5297329
>>5297420
Also I'd like seeing more secrets, I 100%'d all of them without even realizing

>>5297420
>>5297423
umh i see...

That reminds me...
what do you think of the secret level?

i do admit that its easy to get stuck since i though that switch there was a linedef to pass on...

>>5297271
>>5297287
>>5297291
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462331550768431104/534428226756542474/HUH.wad

See if this link works.
Cooked it up in like 10 minutes (because I had to remember what to do exactly with player sounds first).

>>5297427
MAP31?

I think you should put more enemies in it, the map felt super empty honestly. It had a cool look though.

>>5297446
It werks, thanks famicon
what discord server are you posting that on, if i might ask

>>5295214

>>5297456
A hideous one.
And no problem famalamadingdong.

Does GZDoom have an option where you could mod a fire function depending on how long you hold the trigger?

For example, making the SSG so that if you only tap the fire button, have the double barrel shoot once, and if you hold it, have it shoot twice in rapid succession (as it would in real life)

>>5297495
dont be stupid why fuck with how the SSG works?

>>5297451
Alright... i took the feedback and did some modifications mostly on the secret level but im thinking of maybe also do some for the others now tho this is what i did:
>Made clearer where you need the key for on the first map
>Added more ammo for the second map
>made the fift map secret more easier to discover
>Slightly modified forth map beggining look a little (minesculy little)
>added a little bit more enemies on the secret map
some of these changes were reported from annother guy that recorded maps playthoughs (or at least seeing somebody and review them)

>>5297506
because it's cool >>5297067

>>5297528
why contain it?

>>5297528
yes but it works the way it does to maintain game balance

>>5296903
the faggot's been posting just cropped furshit reactions to posts for the past several threads, like this >>5294659 as well, and then samefag spamming the thread defending furfags when someone tells him to knock that shit off. I thought that it was bait at first, but it's been going on for too long now.

>>5297601
yeah, that's why someone chimped out masively a few threads ago over a daisy mod

hint: it wasn't the person who suggested it

Holy shit. MAP 01 of Sunder does not fuck around.

I'm having a lot of fun though.

>>5297495
Using both the Fire and Hold states, I imagine.
There'd be other ways to do it as well.

You wouldn't really need a special function I think.

>>5297579
>gameplay mods
>original game balance

>>5295742
I don't think it's strictly THIS IS SO FUCKING SICK material, but Ancient Aliens made a pretty good first impression for me

>>5293887
Can Darkplaces work with later versions of Quakspasm and ReQUiem?

How the fuck do people one-shot cyberdemons? Even at point-blank range (tested with god mode) it takes me 2-4 shots every time

>>5293887
Probably not the right place to ask given the r part of /vr/, but I'll ask anyway

If one is making a GZDoom map, would using mostly dynamic lights be too tacky? Like, does it come across to you as though the mapper is trying to compensate by using a flashy effect? I've only been working with sector brightness so far, and everything looks more "okay" than "good."

>>5297650
RNG maybe? To my knowledge you can only one-shot the Spidermind.

>>5297663
Now that you say it, I may be confusing the two. I thought I'd heard people claim one-shotting the cyberdemon.

So they phased out the worst wad award a while ago, what are you guys' picks for the shittiest wads of the past few years?

are there any texture mods that "randomize" skyboxes?

>>5297704
your favourite one.

>>5297670
Oneshotting a Cyberdemon with the BFG is only a hypothetical, it's not something that's even remotely probable in normal gameplay. It's numerically possible because the BFG can do up to 800+4800 damage if the projectile and all tracers were to hit for maximum damage, but RNG would never allow numbers like that to actually happen.

>>5297704
Probably something terryble

>>5297704
I hardly ever play bad wads. Usually you can just tell from the screenshots & comments.
"Fall Of Triton" was pretty bad, like 40 levels and all of them are endless boring flat hallways.

>>5297751