/vr/ - Retro Games

FUCK the Lunar games. Objectively the worst and most overrated JRPG series of all time.

>>5290450
>Boss seems like it's meant to kill you
>It's not

>Boss is meant to kill you
>you beat it anyway
>you gain nothing and then the game acts like you lost

>>5290450
Is that a bad thing?

>>5290464
I unironically consider the Lunars as having near perfect difficulty for an rpg.

>>5290486
This has happened to me often. Fucking spike in boss difficulty.

>>5290486
Yeah this worse. I've taken a dive in battles which I thought were scripted loses only to be greeted with a game over screen and a couple hours of grinding ahead of me.

>>5290450
>>5290486
>tfw I can still hear the voice lines from the mama luigi cartoon from all of those YTPs I watched back then

>>5290689
That's Mama Luigi to you!

>>5290505
name three examples where this happens

>>5290450

But if you fight hard the game acknowledges you in some cool way, like Ridley dropping the baby metroid

>boss battle where game continues even if you lose (you will lose)
>use a lot of items during fight
>items you can replenish later
>lose battle
>sneak peak at story
>reset, replay to battle and accpt defeat
>retain items
i am an autist

>>5290719
Xenogears does it

>>5291135
>sneak peak
My pet peeve. It hurts, anon. It hurts bad.

>>5290505
Name six JRPGs, four arcade exclusives, one shump, eight pieces of speccy shovel ware, and two Sega System games where this happens.

>kill boss
>its not even a boss just an enemy

>boss is too weak to kill you but then arbitrarily uses an ultimate move that does kill you when you fail to die normally against it

>>5291208
Name 42 times this happens.

>>5290450
>Boss is meant to kill you
>you beat it anyway
>game soft-locks

>>5291312
Name 96 times this happened, excluding psx games.

>>5291208
Beatrix is a survival battle, not an unwinnable battle. You need to either deplete her few-thousand HP or survive ten turns against her. If you die before that it's a game over.

>>5290719
Happened in a couple non-/vr/ dragon ball games

>>5291438
Tenkaichi 1: Beat the boss you're meant to survive against, you have to do it over until you run out the timer. Thankfully the first battle is a survival against Raditz so this gets established early on

>>5290450
mfw my brother's playing some game with the infinite HP Game Genie code and getting mad because the boss won't die.

>>5291440
Man, fuck Tenkaichi 1. I hate that fucking finish off Nappa with the Kaioken Attack requirement

>>5291752
God yes fuck that, good game but fuck that enact-the-story clause.

>>5290464
Lunar only does two unwinnable fights in the series and both of them paste you after a few turns.

https://youtu.be/yi6mx0Tfzt0?t=202
https://youtu.be/izav0KeT_AA?t=60345

>>5291331
There's a few missions in X-Wing where you break the script if you destroy the resident Star Destroyer.

>>5290505
>Boss is meant to kill you
>you beat it anyway
>you gain a ridiculously good reward

>>5291748
Zoomers literally don't understand the concept of losing video games

>>5292095
Why the fuck would you post an image like that?

>>5292163
accurately displays my reaction to such a thing occurring.

>party member sacrifices herself to save you from the boss, even as you are handing him his ass

LITERALLY best girl

>>5291438
The non-/vr/ Ninja Gaiden 1.

Also, Yu-Gi-Oh Forbidden Memories. You must lose against Heishin no matter what.

>>5291208
actually it's a "survive this otherwise shit easy boss long enough to steal all 3 items on a 1.7% chance" boss like everything else in ffix
great game design

>>5290450
BoF3 did this shit like 9 fucking times. Then, theres a few instances you CAN win, but others you can't.

WHY

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa im high as fuck pls boss kill kme now i deserfeve it

>>5293834
You are now dead it's ok buddy

>>5293807
Because BoF3 is a subpar, overrated game.

>>5294534
I think it's rated exactly where it should be. People don't fawn over it like it's FF7, and I don't think anyone says it's a number 1 ps1 rpg.

The overrated one is 4.

>>5293847
You are dead, not beeg suprise.

>>5294567
If there's even a single person calling 3 the best in the franchise, which there are, then I consider that overrated.

>>5291138
Xenogears usually gives you something for putting in the effort. Beating Grahf at Razael’s Tree gets you the Slayer Robe. Beating Hammer instead of running gets you the Trader Card. I don’t think you get anything from fighting Wiseman or Rico but at least Rico smokes you pretty quickly before you can waste too many items.

>put best weapon, armor, perks on fav character
>go into boss battle
>boss kills off your fav character
>lost all your cool gear and perks
>start game over again

>>5290719
demon souls, mass effect 3, kingdom hearts.

>>5294758
Loved Grandia II for this. All the points you spent on anyone who dies, you get it back.

>>5290450
>tense build up to boss fight
>boss is implied to be extra dangerous
>gets special boss theme
>"h-here it comes!!"
>frantically buff
>wait for it to attack to study it's pattern, potential weaknesses
>wait
>it barely attacks you
>does little damage
>could be a trap
>wait a bit more
>it does a little more damage
>crush it
>"we barely survived..."

>>5295695
Even better:

>Walk up to next boss
>just your normal boss
>"here we go!"
>kicks your ass like no tomorrow
>After 15th try, you finally beat the son of a bitch
>Main Char: "That was sooooo easy!"
>Me: suck by big fat dick

>>5295714
name ONE time this happened

>Ys Origin
>ridiculously bullshit boss you're meant to lose against
>manage to dodge his attacks and start doing actual damage to him
>when he's down to half HP the game just cuts to a cutscene where he beats you because the story needs you to lose
Fuck that shit.

>>5295753
I can field this one
>FF7, end of disc one
>Jenova Life, after THAT moment
>have to remember to take off the Water Ring so it has a slim chance of killing you
>still, lots of weeping
>start of disc 2
>Schizo
>party absolutely brutalised
>no-one seems to really mind

>>5295887
what the hell are you talking about
the weeping was because of aeris' death, not "oh baww that boss was so hard I'm SO tired now"
and the reason no one seemed to mind schizo in character is because it's not a lore-centric boss so of course the characters won't discuss it after the fight
also there's barely any difficult fights in ffvii, even if you're going through it with no grinding and minimal attention to equipment/materia, only sephiroth is maybe challenging

>>5295887
Speaking of FF7
>find Vincent, try him out
>a bit weedy but then
>becomes an uncontrollable monster who spams powerful fire attacks
>Hooray for Vincent
>next boss absorbs fire attacks
>everyone but the boss trying to kill Vincent
I remember finding this really funny

>>5295926
shouldn't it be "boss and party team up and to bring vincent down"?

>>5290450
>Boss is meant to kill you, you waste your healing items because you don't know.

>>5290450
>boss is clearly a joke boss
>but what if it's not
>full buffs

>the last is not the hardest boss fight

>>5295695
>>5295714
Name six games by John Carmack this happened in.

>>5295714
Name three games by John Romero this happened in.

>>5291312
I'll never forget the time i saw a friend of mine use a gameshark on one of the yugioh games to give himself the best cards only to get to a part where he was supposed to lose a duel and have the guy who is supposed to beat him in the fight repeatedly rematch until he lost.

>>5295925
what the hell are you talking about
>"Jeez, that thing was TOUGH! Where the hell did..."
>"Shut your fool mouth, kid! Thing wasn't lore-centric. We don't talk 'bout powerful shit we have to fight if it don't progress the main narrative."
>"Um...'lore-centric'? Do you even know what you're trying to say there?"
>"Know you're a shit ninja."

>>5291208
>there's still a way to cheese it

>>5290689
>not hearing the line from all those times you watched the actual episode
underaged

>beat difficult boss
>he transforms
>boss fight round 2
>no time to aide your party
>get killed
>start all over again

>>5290450
>This happens like, 7 times in ff4