/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[1-7] Discharge, a 9-level wad for ZDoom
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=63169

[1-1] GZDoom 3.7.1
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63098

[1-1] SM190 - Six Textures released for Quake
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm190_pack.zip

[12-31] La Tailor Girl updated to 1.70H
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1085657#p1085657

[12-31] PortaDOOM Cacowards 2018 Released
https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases/

[12-30] 100 Minutes of /vr/ on Doomworld
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103723-100-minutes-of-vr-half-the-time-half-the-maps/

[12-28] GZDoom 3.7.0 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63032

[12-26] Anon makes a mutator 'ArmorisHitPoints'
https://my.mixtape.moe/lnuzbw.zip

[12-26] ESRGAN algorithm used to make HD Textures for RTCW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyRfptKJutU

[12-26] The Merry Christmassy Doom Project
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103649-the-merry-christmassy-doom-project-a-limit-removing-project-from-doomer-boards/

[12-26] Anon map release: Exotic Exports
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtv23e9k4c9g462/Exotic%20Exports%201.2.zip?dl=0

[12-26] DOOMBA, a Roomba script that turns clean maps into Doom maps
https://twitter.com/DickWhitehouse/status/1077227171482021889 (embed)

[12-24] Hellshots Golf sees a formal release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEHK4iBiXc
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=61021

[12-16] Doomsday's 2.1 update released
http://blog.dengine.net/2018/12/doomsday-2-1-released/

[12-15] BloodGDX and WitchavenGDX both updated
http://m210.duke4.net/

[12-13] Spram's Metroid Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102880-sprams-metroid-doom-released/

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How should I go about playing Kingpin: Life of Crime in this day and age? Should I download the Rags 2 Riches mod? Is it easy to install? Will it make the game run in widescreen? Are there any other mods worth using?

>>5286634
https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Kingpin:_Life_of_Crime#Essential_improvements

Wow Doom95 looks like shit. I set it up for basically just novelty purposes and it looks like shit and the "mouse compatibility fix" doesn't work for me.

>>5286601

>>5286657
Maybe don't use Doom95 in 2019

>>5286676
Bill Gates told me it was cool to do this

>>5286657
Maybe it's because Doom 95 was a janky hunk of shit even for its time. Get PrBoom+ if you want Vanilla but just a little bit more.

>>5286634
I just installed MH's Kingpin Patch

>>5286663

>>5286721
What does that do?

>>5286741
Are these screaming skeletons making me lose heal-
I SEE YOU OVER THERE FFFFUUUUUCCCCCKKKK

>>5286756
http://download.kingpin.info/index.php?dir=kingpin/patches/unofficial/mh%27s_kingpin_patch/
clic on the readme

>>5286675
i hate this mod and i don't even know why

>>5286767
autism is always the answer

>>5286789
Sure. Don't use your mind or anything. It's always autism. Great.

>>5286663
>>5286741
>lower texture
>goes upwards
every time

Lol if you try to cheat in Aliens TC the game punishes you and tells you to "play it right!"

>>5286767
it's because you hate furries

>>5286657
Doom95 won't even work on my potato of a computer

>>5286874
You're playing in MS-DOS for real or what?

>>5286876
No, my computer can't handle anything lower than 64 bit

>>5286879
Why's that?

>>5286879
Use a VM

>>5286675
>>5286767
what mod?

>>5286908
Doom95 isn't worth it, at all. I just installed it for completeness of my collection..

This probably sounds dumb to ask, but there's coding involved with making doom mods, right? What coding language should I learn if I wanted to make one of my own?

>>5286930
ACS, DECORATE, and maybe ZScript.

>>5286930
zscript
enjoy your lack of documentation

>>5286942
zscript is good if you can read the source code, or have a friend that can read the source code and explain shit for you
I'd assume most people don't fall into that category

>>5286947
>implying i'm not a gzdoom contributor
the code is only readable if you already have an understanding of engine internals

>Thinking about how Doom lives on and the current state of video game preservation
>"What if we put console emulators on Doom source ports so you could play other games in Doom and it technically counts as modding Doom with other games and not just emulation"
Video game preservation PRESEVERD!

>>5286930
DECORATE is easier than you'd think. Go for that. Guides and wikis exist.

>>5286951
>>implying i'm not a gzdoom contributor
I wasn't though

Is DarkXL a viable way to play Dark Forces all the way through or is it unfinished?

>>5286675
>Chromatic aberration

Fuck all unofficial ports. I will play the Doom the way it's meant to be played despite input lag and low fps.

Dos version has too low resolution, so I'm playing with Doom95 on PCEm (got it from here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5EGmaj96fCxb19fbWE5QTAtRXc/view )

And Doom Collector's Edition official ISO from here: https://archive.org/details/DoomCollectorsEdition (+ mouse fix http://www.classicdoom.com/dmouse.htm )

>>5286930
try to learn zscript if you are starting from zero

>>5287073
>Using v11 instead of v14
Update your emulator senpai.

>>5286767
Ok

>>5286923
Hunter's Moon

>>5287029
I enabled it for some testing and forgot to disable to take the pic, lol.

>>5286872

>>5287091
Updated. I think it reduced input lag. But the sound is still fucked up.

>>5286828
taking
>>5286767
>and i don't even know why
into account, >>5286789 seems reasonable and likely

>>5286634
I highly recommend rags2riches just for the balance changes and that only. The base game is full of hitscanners that have no reaction time and a fuck ton of health. Rag2riches doesn't really fix that but makes your weapons deal a lot more damage and balances item pickups better When you install the mod just delete the .pak file unless you like "HD" textures on models too low poly to support them. Also MarkC is needed to fix the games built in mouse accel as well.

>>5286942
It's been like a year or more now and it's still fucking lacking.

d e m o n s

>>5287134
BEHOLD, MY DEMONS

>all of the doom95 itt
did I step in a time machine by accident?

Duke > Quake > Blood > Shadow Warrior > Quake 2 > Heretic > Hexen shit > Any Doom

ancient chinese shecret

>>5287180
What was the point of this post?

Sharing my opinions

>>5287191
To express his opinion.

>>5287189
Be proud Mr. Woo

>>5286553
I like to think that the Phobos base is within a man-made atmosphere dome.

>>5287245
You haff a man you used to be!

>>5287195
T O Y O O O

>>5287180
apply yourself.

I know I'm late to the party about whining about shitty 3d model projects but I really need to get this off my chest.
Why do so many 3d projects seem to forget that GZDoom supports more animation frames than the stock sprites have?
They do know that they have 35 frames per second animations available right? That's more than necessary for good animation. The stock game just holds and repeats sprite frames for multiple tics.
I mean look at this firing animation
https://youtu.be/kI5cZ0fmBrE
The cyberdemon just awkwardly holds out his arm and stands there. No animation or anything.
Let's have a look at the ZDoom DECORATE for the firing animation
Missile:
CYBR E 6 A_FaceTarget
CYBR F 12 A_CyberAttack
CYBR E 12 A_FaceTarget
CYBR F 12 A_CyberAttack
CYBR E 12 A_FaceTarget
CYBR F 12 A_CyberAttack
Goto See
It only uses 2 sprite frames but holds them for several tics. It has a 6 frame initial aiming pause, 12 frames firing then another 12 frames to reaim and so on. In total that 66 frames that could be animated, plenty of frames to add character and flair to it that the sprites couldn't afford.
It's not GZDoom that's the limitation it's the artists that don't realise they have more to work with than they think.
The cyberdemon alone has a 20 frame idle loop, 24 frame walk loop, 66 frame firing animation, 10 frame pain reaction and a 70 (or 100) frame death animation.

>>5286908
>setting up a VM to use a really shit port
C'mon son.

>>5287029
Chromab should frankly be illegal.

How did Unloved get that effect where the player changes maps but there's no screen wipe effect?

>>5287349
It's a hub.

What's a decent weapons mod to use with Unloved that doesn't break the feel of the mod?
I'm a bit tired of stock doom weapons rn.

>>5287374
Weapons of Saturn is a good one.
Maybe try Brutal Doom

How could you do that to David Byrne

>>5287309
Because they weren't made for (G)ZDoom, and they were made to replace the sprites themselves.

>>5287374
i liked using high noon drifter, generally i like that weaponset for any sort of atmospheric/spooky wads

The concept of the new Spiderdemon having Olivia's face on her back reminds me of how Doom 3 had Betruger's head on some demon's tongue.
Speaking of Doom 4's art book, i remember seeing a Hell razer bleeding yellow so i wonder if that could be their new design or inspiration for the fire Baron bleeding lava.
I also remember some concept of the Cyberdemon leaning closer to his older designs, so i hope that also shows up in Eternal.

>>5287473
>The concept of the new Spiderdemon having Olivia's face on her back reminds me of how Doom 3 had Betruger's head on some demon's tongue.
Olivia is a reference to Betruger in general, they're both traitors to humanity who sold their soul to hell.

The term "Rip and Tear" just annoys the everloving crap out of me now, it's so overused.

>>5287543
*rips and tears u*

It's almost time for Doom, Doom 2, and Chex Quest on the fast show.

>>5287552
oh, shut up

>>5287348
Depends. Alien did it well, since it matched the old style of the universe and all.
It definitely shouldn't be the default for anything.

>>5287543
It was always stupid. I love it when it's used in a less serious context.

>>5287568
Which game?
I hate chromab because I have bad astigmatism and seeing it in a game makes it feel like the game took my glasses. It looks ugly and distracting, and it causes me eyestrain.

>>5287552
*AAA*
What's this?

>>5287559
>he cares about the lore and Tom Hall's contributions and ambitions

Whadda boss

How comes Doom gets alll the fun cool OC but the other retro FPS don't.

All I see for blood is the funny fast cultist gifs. Oh and Duke has the funny bad ms Paint comics I guess

>>5287610
Doom was very much a normalfag shooter in its time, everyone played it.
It's also one of the more accessible games.

>>5287621
Sounds hard to believe.

>>5287610
It's a whole lot easier to get into doing custom classes and stuff for Doom with the scripting language advances it's had over the years.

Combination of being easy to get into and flexibility lets a lot more people dick around and create cool stuff.

>>5287621
>>5287627
Sorry I meant funny oc meme images

Like >>5287575

So apparently SIGIL isn't actually a megawad, or rather Romero cucked the mod scene into changing the definition of what makes a megawad.

>>5287636
Fuck me they really did edit it.
https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Megawad&type=revision&diff=192082&oldid=190590

>mordeth 2 save

>>5287641
Also the ones below it.

That's some creative save slot use.

The donation readings right now make me want to fucking kill myself.

>>5287645
The one by Dragonfly was neat, the rest though are just depressingly painful.

>>5287636
>>5287638
It is 9 campaign levels and 9 deathmatch levels so it's 18 maps in total?

>>5287641
>>5287643

>>5287427
but what I'm saying is that you aren't limited to the frames that the sprite and that there is support for much better 3d animation
animation that looks perfectly fine for low res sprites does not translate into 3d well. they should aim to improve the originals with the abilities afforded to them with 3d, not be restricted by the 2d reference

>>5287624
Doom was a fucking phenomenon in its day. In 1993, there had yet to really be a game like it.
It was the most advanced first person shooter made, it was fun, it was unusually violent, and more importantly it had NET PLAY! That hadn't actually really been done on any large scale with such an advanced game before, and the importance of this net play feature would grow even more important with services such as Dwango, which would let you do net play with people across the country, meaning you didn't have to just play with friends and local acquaintances, who may not have the time when you did.

On top of that, the entire first episode was completely free and you could just obtain and/or distribute and share it like you felt like, that was unprecedented for such a high profile game, shareware was mostly done by smaller publishers for small games.
It really broke a lot of new ground at the time, and a lot of people were paying attention to it, due to how much it made itself visible and accessible.

>>5286553
Good thing the other OP got nuked so we could enjoy this hilarious Tumblr post. Wouldn't want to offend any of the boomer faggots who can't tell a joke from a troll.

What port is the runner using? Crispy Doom?

>>5287671
Chocolate?

>>5287649
the dm levels are the same campaign maps

>>5287679
Resolution looks too sharp for Chocolate, that's why I was thinking Crispy, which is Chocolate but playable at higher res.

>>5287636
calm the hell down he said at the start it was 9 maps

>>5287682
https://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/CnDoom

>mordeth 2

What does he know?

>>5287636
People have called single episodes megawads before.

>>5287680
They're separate DM areas, thus effectively new levels.

BARNEY

Fucks sake Barney, step your shit up.

>Trolled by Barney

https://pastebin.com/S3rBFNjH
More MetaDoom bullshit.

>>5287624
maybe you should read this and reflect on life

>>5287738
So how's your job hunt going?

>>5287745
you know what the funny thing is? I post here literally after months at a time, yet you however are always here, immediately after every post I make :^)

take this fight outside anons

>>5287073
>Doom the way it's meant to be played
>VM
>Doom95
>640x480

Anon, that isn't...

>>5287750
Yes, imagine, a man with an interest would spend free time in a place where it's discussed.
Good luck with your job hunt.

>>5287756

>>5287073
Breh, I knew Doom 95 was bad even back in the day when I played it as a kid. Just get a Boom port instead.

>>5287636
>>5287638
That's just pathetic. God damn.
Fuck right off and die, Romero.

>>5287756
>>5287769
What the fuck Barney? You had one job.

>>5287772
Are you still mad about Dai-Katana or what?

>>5287767
pitiful place to spend all your free time my dude.

>>5287769
BARNEY! MY PEBBLES!

>>5287664
Community's a pyramid hugbox. What do you expect?

>>5287776
Oh, I have many places to do so. At least I don't seek out and try to pick fights with people I don't like and who don't like me, that'd be just really sad and hollow.

Do you mail a resume with your job applications? That could help.

>>5287783
>>5287664

>>5287784
just look at how upset you're getting over internt posts. you clearly dont go outside anon ahahaha

>>5287624
Zooming right into the sun

>As somebody who has mapped and modded for Chex quest
We need to find this mythical being and play their shit..

>>5287790

>>5287787
Wrong again, anon. Happens a lot, doesn't it?

>>5287661
>>5287738
>>5287792
I meant the normalfag part, sorry. I just can't picture them playing Doom for some reason.

>>5287769
>>5287756
He probably shouldn't have picked up armor and health and stuff if he was expecting to do that.

>>5287738
>actually screencapping and reposting this petty shit
yikes
>>5287795
BIG yikes

>>5287775
Not even close

>>5287795
>anime
I rest my case

>>5287801
>normalfag
everybody played doom you stupid snowflake.

>>5287796
Like your job applications not netting responses?

>>5287801
Yes, you had people playing it at their workplace, you had people clogging up networks at colleges and universities.
It was an age where everyone was getting a computer at their workplace, and plenty of people had a home computer, now suddenly there was this very advanced and fun game which you could play on these computers.
It helps that the base game is really easy to get into.

>>5287801
>DOS
>Nothing to do at work
>Someone shows up with shareware Doom
>Spreads like wildfire

Something like that.

>>5287583
Alien isolation.

Oh hay they're running original Chex Quest.

I wonder if they'll map to the Doom maps for a laugh.

>>5287819
Still wrong. You seem to be trash, anon.

>>5287813
Why would the redditor come to 4chan if he's afraid of and offended by Japanese cartoons?

>>5287829
Well I mean, you must have given up on sending applications after never getting any replies.

>>5287832
Why do you think I am?

>speedrunning
>no sign of Final Doom

why

>>5287831
doom babbies are reddit

You two fags need to shut the fuck up already

>this thread right now

>>5287819
>>5287821
Interesting. Thanks for the info.

>>5287838
he's this kid that thinks I am this one dude that is literally every single shitposter on this site. it's pretty funny. he also never leaves 4chan

Holy fuck, i know /doom/ has some levels of shitposting but this is /pol/ tier.

>>5287840
There we go.

>>5287841
He'll be swept up in due time, he'll have his little tanty at people who barely remember his existence, then we'll have some good peace and quiet.

>>5287756
>shadman

>>5287850
Well damaged goods is obvious.

>>5287850
The irony of this post is that you have me confused for someone else.

Oh hay they really did map to Phobos Anomaly in Chex Quest.

>>5287861
Double irony then.

>>5287858
indeed

>>5287853
who comes to 4chinks for people to remember him lol

>>5287869
Well, evidently you, given how much you repost your own pasta and begging for people to read it.

Both or any of you shut the fuck up
Fight somewhere else

>>5287874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obEjXwSKTQ

Someone should speedrun Going Down
That always gets the crowd going!

>>5287886
I'd actually tune in for that, rather than speedrun #221947 of Doom 2.

>>5287886
Someone should try doing speedruns with Hideous Destructor

>>5287898

>>5287671
Dime uses Crispy Doom.

It is done.

>>5287913
That is perfect.

is there some quality wad for chex quest?

>>5287913
Why does it stutter at the start?

Does Freedoom look less ugly when played with vasyan's 3d comp? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG0VVnuHw18

>5287926
stop

>Nambona
>Faggotry like this>>5287932


Thread irreparably ruined.

>>5287919
Blame fucking shit encoders.

>>5287841
Neither of them will unless they are forced too. And no, banning them is not enough, we have to get physical.

>>5287950
That's much better, thanks!

>>5287954
>we have to get physical
Sounds sexy.

>>5287954
But beating up minors is a serious crime.

>>5287976
Yes, a crime with serious repercussions. Babbyposter's dad beat him too hard as a kid, and that's why he is now a burden to the rest of society.

Quake 2: y/n?

>>5287987
It's okay

Every level is just a roll of the dice with the devil

>>5287987
i played it until i got lost and could not progress, then dropped it.
3s good, though i prefer ut99.

haven't touched 4.

>>5287898
>>5287901
>choose Medic
Immediately use Berserk and sprint your way to the end.
I gotta try that for E1M1

>>5287995

>>5288004
>next patch
>berserk becomes nerfserk
RIP

>>5287913
haha look at him go

>>5287987
It's an alright shooter desu.
Not excellent, but it's not bad either, even if the first Quake is kind of better in most ways, there's ways which Quake 2 are a lot better than the first one.

Mind, they're not really very related games, aside from the branding.

>>5287987
Fun enemies but kinda underwhelming.

>>5287987
extremely dull SP

>>5288004
Unironically viable.
Eric did a run on Going Down, with a backpack full of Zerk, and it actually worked surprisingly well.

Eventually it kind of gets into a slog though, because Going Down is kind of "hardcoded" with voodoo dolls, so to say. All the level exits are operated voodoo dolls on conveyors, where what you do in the level raises the bars and barriers to let the doll traverse. This means you can't really break sequence in Going Down, and breaking sequence is sometimes necessary for Hideous Destructor's gameplay.

But barring circumstances like these, yeah, you can very plausibly zerk it out as a means of speedrunning HD.

>>5288007
I hope not.

>>5288021
I guess that's a subjective thing, but I always found it to be pretty decent. Like, not great, but like slightly above a 6 out of 10, I enjoyed the combat.
The soundtrack does a lot.

>>5287898
>>5287901
new category when?

>>5288032
Lol, did the Cyberdemon breach the exit door for you with his rockets?

>>5287987
maybe

>>5288040
then it breached him

Does Quake have any unique lore or is it just Doom with Lovecraftian names?
Is Quake 1 and 2 connected in any way?

>>5288047
I guess you could say Quake has some lore, but it's always been kind of light and vague, and most could be inferred from just the environments, creatures, and names.

Quake, as the game it would become (starting development as a free roaming fantasy RPG, which just spun its wheels in development for months and months), was kind of just rushed out the door as a giant compromise (and still managed to be a really good game), I don't think there was much thought put into the story or setting, not by the time they decided "Fuck it, let's just make it a shooter and get it over with."

For the connection between 1 and 2, there really isn't any, not in any meaningful sense.
I don't think ID ever intended to revisit the first game when they were actually putting it together, and 2 wasn't developed with 1 in mind at all, it wasn't even going to be named Quake at all, they just couldn't get the rights to the name they wanted to use, so they just opted to slap the Quake brand on it for recognition.
Quake as a 'series', has never really been a proper series, the games just kind of get called that and then just relate to each other very vaguely. It's a shame, because I think the first one has a really cool setting which would be fun to explore a little bit more.

>>5288040
Yeah, but it's actually faster to ignore the cyberdemon and kick the door down yourself.

>>5288061
Pretty good. That feature was added in a pretty recent version though, right?

>>5287659
>but what I'm saying is that you aren't limited to the frames that the sprite and that there is support for much better 3d animation
Not at the time the models were made, though!

did they ever stop to ponder what style they were going for with Doom in regards to its aesthetics, for like what the UAC base maps and stuff and the hell maps would look like, or did they just throw hands saying 'lets look at aliens and slayer records'?

>>5288069
If they could make an engine which replaced 2D sprites with 3D models, they could also give those 3D models better animations without altering the gameplay.

I'm saying that the people who made these models were shit at modeling and coding.

>>5288071
I think kind of both of those things.
One of the base ideas was that they could make something inspired by their favorite movies; Aliens and Evil Dead 2.
There was some vision involved, but also a whole lot of "Let's just throw this in!"

>>5288067
Yeah, and it's not consistent even with berserk. The best method is probably to set up an alias to use and then immediately detonate a doorbuster charge. Bronto's recoil slows you down for a moment and the rocket launcher takes time to equip and load a HEAT, and both of them have big splash damage so you can't use them up close.

>>5286329
Oh hey. That's a Cacodemon piggy bank on Romero's award. I know because I just got one for Christmas.

>>5288071
Doom was actually a shooter under the Alien name at some point during its very early stages, way back when, before they actually started work on the resources. then they ditched the IP, and instead went for what we got now.

take a look at colonial marines and isolation, some of the textures even fit right in with a potential Doom remake. hexagons, big ass CRT screens, computer terminals, keycards, corridors, most of it is there.

>>5288104
I think not even that. They looked around to see if the Aliens license was available, it was, and they considered it shortly, but then decided they wanted free hands in making their game.

But yeah, there's a lot of Aliens in Doom's DNA, which probably helped with how fast the very first Total Conversion for Doom came about.

>>5288047
The deepest lore is that Quake is the sequel to Quake 2, because the slipgate technology they use in Quake is based on the Strogg portal technology they bring back to earth after the invasion of Stroggos.

>>5287987
Play my unit. I got to shill it every time:

https://www.moddb.com/mods/sonic-mayhem

>>5287913
Yessssss

>>5288114
Explains the symbols on the crates anyway. Not really anything else tying the games together though.

>>5287392
*Project Brutality 3.0

>>5287664
I just whatever Doom images I have on hand and haven't used before.

Can anyone identify this? It looks neat.

This might be from the same set of levels.

TIL A_CloseShotgun2 calls A_Refire, so the SSG has a extra refire frame 6 tics early, meaning its hypothetical dps is not 122.8, but 137.25

>>5288287
Good stuff, right? A secret is revealed!

>>5288287
It's also got an extra stray pixel on the left side of the barrel.

>>5288294
I guess I don't need to worry about my SSG replacement being slightly stronger than vanilla anymore, sheesh.

>>5288298
Not with the sprite fixes it doesn't.

>>5288263
Yeah, I don't really have anything against this OP pic or you, it just annoys me how triggerhappy the mods are sometimes.

>>5288313
Link those sprite fixes for me, anon. Lost all of that good stuff a long time ago aaaaand I forgot what that pack was called.

>>5288327
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/62403-doom-2-minor-sprite-fixing-project-v19-release-updated-12718/

Includes brightmaps for those who want them.
Make sure you only put the Doom 1 set on autoload for Doom 1, and the Doom 2 ones for autoload on Doom 2 and Final Doom

>>5288331
Just what I was looking for. Thanks.

I've seen wads to both, but should the slime liquid texture cause damage or no?

>>5288372
Consistency is key.
Can't have it not hurt you in one level and in the next one it's full UNF URGH ENGH.

>>5288313
also smooth doom

which map is this?

>>5288047
>>5288057
>>5288114
>>5288147
QC is trying to tie everyting up

>>5288391
It is not, it discarded the entire thing set in Quake 3 with the Vadrigar to replace those with the Elder Gods, and the Arena Eternal is also replaced with the Dreamlands.

I feel a big reason people don't like Doom 2's mapset that isn't really mentioned is because it's terribly paced. the Super Shotgun is given on MAP02, the BFG is in 19/32 maps (starting from MAP08 there's only 6 maps without the BFG in them), and there's no episodes to split things up, not like that matters with all the BFGs and SSGs flying around.

Doom 1 was well structured, each episode had a secret weapon that would then become common in the next episode. E1 had the Rocket Launcher, E2 had the Plasma Gun, E3 had the BFG.
Cacodemons and lost souls don't show up until episode 2, while in Doom 2 most of the new monsters are dumped on the player over 3 consecutive maps (4 if playing on UV) - MAP06: Hell Knights and Revenants, MAP07: Arachnotrons and Mancubi, MAP08: Pain Elementals.
Doom 2 is very front loaded and doesn't leave much to interest the player, IMO.

>>5288391
>>5288396
The proof is that the recurring characters of Quake 3 were completely modified in their background story to favor other points inside QC's universe.

>>5288331
>Revenant100's custom title no longer says "Ask me about Lost Soul sprites"
Weak

>>5288404
Well, have you tried playing the first 6-7 maps without the SSG? I have. Felt unnecessarily slow.

>>5287636
Sigil will be the first proper episode since Knee Deep in the Dead, so shut up and enjoy.

>>5288147
The final boss of scourge of armagon looks like a strogg

>>5288432
It's still only one dude's attempt at it, a dude who has gone on record as saying he's out of touch with mapping and won't ever catch up with what other people are making.

I'm at the last episode now. It's like a chore, desu.

E2 best one so far, desu

>>5286553
>>5286554
Working on a new map; though the theme had been rattling around in my head for a while. OTEX makes it properly possible. How's this rough sketch for start room visual? Not QUITE what I was going for yet; but it's roughly the desired idea. Hellish flesh-supercomputer of sorts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_983F2AmY

>>5288554
"hurrr gurr why don't you just sketch it out first"
Go fuck yourself, promptly.

>>5286553
Trust me, it's not worth playing.

The dynamic soundtrack is the best thing about 3057 and that's really about it. The rest of it is pointless busywork and badly designed fights.

>>5288275
I made that. It was never finished though. Was a scrapped map in a set of ~5 maps I was making.

>>5288580
What wad?

>>5288275
>>5288282
Actually, it wasn't 100% scrapped. I lost the version that contained that map in particular. It was going to be 6-7 maps total, but that map was large ("huge" was the theme of the map). But I switched hard drives and apparently backed up the wrong version somehow. So I have 6 maps that are done, and that one that isn't. But the 3rd map gave you an option to choose between 2 different routes. So if you chose one you would go to one map, and the other you would go to this lost map...
So... Anyways. I did release the final map though...
Maybe I'll finish this one up and shove them all out the door.

>>5288567
are you all right, anon?

I love the Grimmhammer

>>5288676
I've always been fine; dude, I should ask the same of the rest of you.
Just don't claim my complete inability to draw is an excuse

I'm having an issue with cc4-tex.wad and vanilla doom mapping, specifically when I load it as a resource in Doom 2 in Doom format in GZDoombuilder chocolate doom crashes with a "W_CacheLumpNum: ### >= numlumps" error whenever a flat (floor or ceiling) from the cc4-tex.wad is visible. Happens on the map I'm working on, or even a brand new map with just a single room.

I've looked up this error online and I can't find anything to this specific instance, and going in and mucking about with the wad changing FF_START & FF_END to F_START & F_END hasn't changed anything.

At this point I'm just looking to see if anyone else can replicate this, and to confirm that it's something that I'm doing wrong because I assume that if cc4-tex.wad simply didn't work with chocolate doom someone else would have posted about it somewhere on the internet by now, which I can't find.

If anyone has any info or can help or test it and confirm that it's something I'm doing wrong I would greatly appreciate it.

>>5288698
uh...
download it again i guess? that's new.

does anyone ever just go to /v/ for curiosity and all the doom threads are full of dickbrains? This board feels great sometimes after seeing the alternative

and by great I mean incredible

>>5288737
>>5288740
Oh i get it, Because they're the same.

>>5288737
>does anyone ever just go to /v/

No, that place is full of bitter edgelords

>>5288769
And we're not?

>>5288769
It's 4chan. We're all shit.

>>5288696
you don't sound all right at all

it's all right, take some time off

>>5288771
>>5288774
Eh, I like /vr/ most of the time

>>5288737
>>5288740
I don't know what it is but the quality of these threads do tend to nosedive in quality after hitting the bump limit. It's been like this for a while but the only way I can see that being improved is more people making cool stuff.

When the fuck is Zandybam going to get updated again

>>5288774
This. Don't let anybody claim different.

ok splatterhouse 3d is cool and all but there could be any indication whatsoever that the 5th level boss just immediately blows you up

>>5288780
OH WOW I sure am glad that there aren't any revenants hiding in this thre-

>>5288789
-ad

>>5288790
that's not a revenant

>>5288790
Hold on. Lemme just...

>>5287126
>Also MarkC is needed to fix the games built in mouse accel as well.

What does this even mean?

>>5286764
So is it possible to have it run in 16:9 with NO stretching and NO reduction of vertical view?

>>5288386
Something star-trek themed judging by the ferengi

Thy Flesh Consumed is completely retarded. It's like the demons now have the ability to choose when to die. I shot a cacodemon 10 times with a shotgun at point-blank range and he had a delay of dying

I finished the first episode of DTWID and I liked it more than most wads but still didn't like it.

>>5288887
based

>>5288386
It seems to be the recent Madfox' map from the beta thread on celephais.

I didn't like it, by the way. I don't like either FourFeather, his SiN's Gorge demake (both from 2016) or this map, and I have absolutely no clue as to what he was even going for in either of those.

He peaked with VeniVidiFutzi, and I can live with Tormentarium. But these recent maps have just wasted my time.

>>5288432
>only episode 1 was good

>>5286675
Looks okay to me

I wonder if Zandronum has a feature where you can scan an enemie's health like GZDOOM does?

>>5289323
linetarget.

you can also use mods like hpbar-v16b so that you see an enemy's health whenever you hover over them.

>>5288636
If any of it still exists, I'd love to see it.

>>5286553
Why can't SS2 and either Thief games have all enemies blow into chunks after being hit with a strong enough blow like a hit from a grenade? both DOOM games and Quake 1 -3 all have gibs, despite running on older engines.
DARK ENGINE VERSION OF DROPLETS OR NASHGORE WHEN!?

>>5288771
>>5288774
Not even remotely on the same level, let's be real.

>>5289336
zombies gib with holy water
thief doesn't have a decent means to mod the engine to allow what you want though.
whoever has the source should leak it.

>>5289336
A deliberate choice.

>>5288717
I've already done that

I don't know, man. This design is pretty cool. Looks like he's covered in obsidian.
Inb4 there's lore on that. I didn't read any of it.

>>5289424
I thought the idea is that he's a zombie Baalgar.
>Baalgar comes from Baal
Ohhh.

>>5289424
I wish I could take the arm cannon and give it to the mancubus because it has a pretty neat design.

the design sucks and I'm disappointed in then for keeping it for eternal.

What if Eternal is the one time they do the old school design stuff and in a later game, there's another art direction?

>>5289481
I'd be fine with that desu

>doom eternal
>it never comes out
keep it in mind

>>5287014
PLEASE RESPOND
Does /vr/ hate this game or something? I can never get a response to this.

sometimes i wonder of someone hates how doomguy even had a face or hints of any background and characteristics and wishes he was full anonymous to the point he was a robot
as if he wasn't a good enough self insert

>>5289649
>if someone
Are you just talking about yourself?

>>5289331
About 1/3rd or 1/4th of the geometry is intact. I stitched the final map back on the end, and I'll add onto the existing geometry to make a playable map, but I'm not making something as large as it was. The idea was a freeform, no off limits, no keys, tightly packed map. But since I lost so much of it I reeeeaaaally don't want to remap that. Unless I find a newer version somewhere then... Fuckit. It was demoralizing enough for me to scrap 5 other completed maps.

>>5289660
I'm remembering more and more of the map as I think about it. There might be far less than 1/4th here. Anyway. Rambling and taking up posts.

>>5289654
i was thinking about that one guy who wishes metroid was reboot so samus wasn't implied to be a human girl

>>5289668
What's so hard about ignoring things one doesn't like?

>>5289668
I mean in the case of Metroid if playing as a woman bothers someone so much, it's pretty easy to avoid most of the female specific characterization if you just avoid Other M. And everyone should avoid Other M anyways.

>>5286553

This week on the DOOM /vr/ Gauntle-

Oh you guys are having a meltdown??

Well alright... I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29GOEjxNYG4

>>5289668
I wish Samus was a chozo girl, that would be cute

Secret Sandy facts, shhhh!

>>5289720
absolutely NO cute allowed here, only killing demons

>be me
>working on something new
>feel like my last project was imperfect
>it could have been leagues better if I had done things slightly different
>feel an obligation to go back and fix things
>tfw not enough time in the world to right wrongs
anyone else know this feel

>>5289765

>>5289773
Of course. Just move on. Make something better until it's done, but once it's done it's done.

All this Metroid talk makes me remember that one thread in /co/ that was about mostly about Doomguy/Samus shipping.
It had both fan-art and greentext.
They basically made up this shared universe where the two they lived together and were also friends with Duke Nukem, Serious Sam, etc.

>>5289660
>>5289663
I don't mind creative rambling desu.

blood is hurting my butt but i think i'm figuring it out
prefiring goes a long way towards dealing with surprise cultists besides the more commonly suggested dynamite
just wish i could find some damn health and armor, the secret map left me with no body armor or doctor's bag so room for error is pretty much nonexistent

>>5289701
I'm glad you're still doing these

>>5289363
>a deliberate choice
Explain and go on...

>>5289817
I must have missed that one but Doomguy is a regular guest star in Hazbin Hotel threads

>>5289858
Because it's pretty tasteless to fragment human bodies or it feels out of place in that scenario, I don't know. It's technically not challenging to delete the actor and spawn a few chunks.

>>5289849

Thanks anon. Means a lot!

>>5289868
Not for System Shock 2.

>>5289887
I don't know. Ask the people who made the game.

it's interetesting how modern doom even looks overdetailed when most devs used "realism" as an attempt for advanced graphics

>>5289909
There's nothing interesting about that.

>>5289909
It's pretty conservative as far as most modern games go really, the engineers were super strict about poly limits and performance (which is why there's no roaming monsters)
at least it's not 40k polys dedicated to fucking pipes and door hinges in a fucking corridor between destructable 4K PBR chest high walls

>>5289938
Is there a version of doom with bump mapping on everything?

>>5289919
he just posts the first d44m-related thing that springs to his mind without a care for relevancy or what people might think.

making a doom style renderer for the genesis
just did some quick calcs and I think low-res texturing might be possible.
still have to add double sided linedefs though, and sector heights

>>5290025
That's pretty damn tight, anon. If your geometry budget is low you should fake as much depth as possible trough texturs. Lots of gradients and lots of highlights.

>>5290025
Also, what sort of height variation does it allow for?

>>5290046
No height variation yet, but it's conceptually simple. I have some screen clipping bugs that I need to fix first, but once that's out of the way, I'll add in heights and linedefs and such.

>>5290056
Do you plan to make a full game out of this, or is it just a coding exercise?

So I made a highpoly model from old Lowpoly through smoothing filter in Blender. Also I uscaled texture through AI upscale program Topaz A.I. Gigapixel. What can be the best way to reanimate these models?

>>5289868
NewDark is moddable. Look at all the Thief 1 and Thief 2 FMs and the several SS2 mods.

>>5290063
No plans really, but I'd like to get it to the point where you can explore decent sized maps without glitches, at the very least.

>>5290083
Hm. Really interesting. Keep us apprised please.

>>5290083
Oh. Also, what size textures are you shooting for?

>>5290067
Polishing a turd there. Don't bother. Start from scratch.

This is my cack.

Bloodspeed will be the wad of 2019

>>5290067
Is that a second mouth in his eye???

>>5290025
>>5290046
Someone did make a homebrew port of Wolfenstein 3D for the 32X, which ran better than the SNES version.
Only the first episode, but it ran like a top.

You also have Zero Tolerance (on just plain Genesis), which was really technically impressive, in spite of pretty much having no height variation.
I think you can totally do a decent first person shooter with a bit of effort.

Did the latest AMD drivers break GZdoom for anyone else?

>>5290187
Once upon a time I thought that was an idiotic pile of stuff from other mods jammed together, then i saw the shit the Complex Legendary whatever fanboys run.

Doesn't seem so bad now.

>>5290202
You're thinking of a wolfenstein 3d port running on the standalone genesis. It runs at I think a solid 20 fps with full texturing, which is pretty amazing.

>>5290187
What's this? DoomRPG and DoomRLA?

>>5290025
>>5290202
The Megadrive also had an interesting, if weird sort of FPS game called Corporation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr9xBv9V_1Y

>>5290212
Yeah. I can summon cacos. He's a good boy.

>>5290206
This is my favorite way to play the game but yeah the HUD is really cluttered and fucked up. Sometimes menus appear on top of other menus. I've gotten used to it but I did wish it looked better.

>>5290187
The fuck?
What is this?

>>5290221
>This is my favorite way to play the game
Any particular mapsets you think go well with it?

>>5290224
demonic armor and boots.
>filename
cyka?

>>5290224
An armor made out of demon flesh. Smells awful.

>>5290239
I'm still experimenting, but given the scope of the mod I imagine it should be a meaty megawad that takes a while to finish. I haven't tried it in a slaughtermap but all the spells and upgrades might work there. Or maybe just buff the monsters so much it becomes unplayable. We'll find out.

>>5290202
I would say the difficulty in making it a shooter would be the controller. An RPG, or adventure game might suit the controls better.
Or changing the type of shooter it is. Like a more stealth based or tactical shooter might be neat I those hardware restrictions.

>>5290259
> cyka?
Hy ecть нeмнoгo

>>5290274
Honestly, with the 6 Button controller, it works.
Doom 32X, for its flaws, has pretty good controls.

>>5290283
>finally get used to the 32X version
>decide to go all the way, beat the game on it
>game abruptly ends because it's missing like half the maps

oh

>mistake an infighting caco for the one I summoned
>get my face bitten off

shit

>>5290269
>Smells awful
how would you know? maybe it has a cherry scent.

>>5290025
>not full screen

>>5290291
The description says it smells bad but for all we know it does smell like cherries and my marine hates them

>find armor made out of demon ass
>'ok'
>put demon pants on
>they feel funny
>they also ride up everytime
>the veins around the thighs pulsate and throb intermittently
>the demons start to stare
>you swear you can feel your ass getting copped every once in a while
>there comes a point they begin sweating
>from the outside
>but it's either wear them or get your nuts charred
>it's nanofabric

>>5290287
Yeah, it's not exactly a full experience.
I give it some points for good and consistent framerate, clear audio quality (music aside), and the controls are decent for the time.

So I just accidentally found out the mountain line in Doom 2's hell sky, is the same mountain line as Doom 1's episode 2 sky. It's just squished 50% horizontally, cropped some, and I guess overlaid with one of the rock textures.
I don't really get why, and I can't unsee it now, but then, the mountains in this sky texture always looked awful. The red screaming skulls and stuff always looked metal though.

>>5290347
I figured when porting a game one of the first priorities would be to keep the FINAL BOSS at least. Damn.

>>5290368
They had like 4MB of cartridge space to work on, there was just no way they were gonna fit the full game on there.
I mean they cut out all the sprite rotations (hence why you see the monsters awkwardly strafe left and right, or moonwalking), and the levels are trimmed down, with less texture variation.

I mean I would have gladly sacrificed a level or two to have the Cyberdemon at the least, but NOPE! I guess they could have saved some space on actually compressing the audio, but the question is how much.

>>5290379
I'm told some versions used Fortress of Mystery as the "final boss" instead?

>>5290383
GBA doom does, and since that was my first experience with doom, I was mighty surprised when I found out it's normally on E2M9 (and that there even was a E2M9)

>>5290357
WOW HOW LAZY ID YOU COULDVE DONE BETTER COD RUINED DOOM 2

>>5289424
You can get a 2 foot tall statue of that boy for 700 US dollars. tfw a poorfag

Bloodspeed is way denser than I thought although moving through the levels is breezy and it looks nice

>>5290383
>>5290389
The 32X version does that, as does the GBA version.
One of the many reasons the port of Doom 2 on the GBA is much better than the first one; it cuts out very little.

>>5290394
Go drink a glass of water.

>>5290383
>>5290438
It's because of the Atari Jaguar. It didn't have the specs for all of the content to run at framerates above a slideshow, much less some of the more complicated mapping, so the mapping got changed, some maps got cut or so forth. For whatever reason, pretty much every port up to the GBA version used these maps, likely to help with performance for similar reasons; certain ports, particularly the Jaguar version itself, omitted other things, like the Cyberdemon and Spider Mastermind. The only port from the 90's that didn't use the Jaguar redesign and cuts was the SNES port, and that was a barely-functioning pile of experimental crap made by like two guys for the heck of it.

>>5286553
I joyfully await the day when Dark engine equivalents to Idtech1's nashgore and droplets become full-on reality. I've long thought it would be neat for at least some of the enemies besides Zombies in Thief Gold and biological enemies System Shock 2 to be able to bleed profusely when they die, but also gib to pieces if given either a fatal smasher attack or blow from a heavy weapon such as the Brick Grenade launcher.
>TFW waiting for that day

DoomRL Arsenal isn't working entirelly correct for me, as it spits out this garbage when I try to run it, using only the DRLA and HUD wad on latest GZDoom:
https://pastebin.com/NgxCkyWs

>>5290465
Points to the PSX ports for actually keeping as much content as they did. I'll even look past the lack of arch-viles and the boring music.

>>5290510
3.7 is a trash fire. A ton of mods are broken by it. Roll back to 3.3 or something.

>>5290521
why 3.3? i've found 3.4.1 to be the last solid build

What are the 5 best Duke Nukem 3D maps?

>>5290495
Why keep bringing this up?

>>5288508
>won't ever catch up with what other people are making
Tech Gone Bad, and to a lesser extent, Phobos Mission Control were better, than like 99% of the hackwork the "community" made in the last 20 years. They felt Doom maps, not some virginal hackwork from the likes of skillsaw or ribbiks.

I really love how some simple gore, lighting, and casing mods help sell the ambience in DOOM. Nothing too crazy, just some aesthetic touches here and there to the good ol' vanilla gameplay

>dat blood drip on the walls and ceilings
>dem bloody footsteps

Anyone else got some neat /aesthetic/ mods to enhance your DOOM experience?

In-pic are:
>lights.pk3
>brightmaps.pk3
>DarkDoomZ
>SmoothDoom
>Nashgore

>>5290510
Played a bit and everything seems to work fine in gameplay, despite the massive page of errors and warnings. Since the introduction of ZScript, GZDoom's been increasing its expected coding standards, so mods built on shitloads of hacks have started reporting shitloads of errors.

>>5290579
>Anyone else got some neat /aesthetic/ mods to enhance your DOOM experience?

>>5290612
>3D in Doom
That'll be a yikes from me

>>5290418
What's that shotgun from?

>>5290579
A small amount of extra gore is nice, but I always feel the lights look out of place and are too smooth next to the pixelated textures.

>>5290639
Highway to Hell

>>5290418
what mod?

>>5290656
Highway to Hell

>>5290612
choose your poison

>>5290579
Sprite Shadow (also by Nash I believe)

>>5290301
Genesis only has enough DMA bandwidth to blit a 256*160 bitmap to the screen at 20fps on NTSC and 24fps on PAL. That's almost 50ms just to flip a frame buffer, and why most shooters had even smaller screens on 16-bit consoles.

>>5286872
wat

>>5287856
kek

>>5287919
speech impediment
>>5288001
You must be truly autistic to not be able to finish Q2

>>5287987
Is that the Windows PC, PPC Macintosh, PS1 or N64 version pictured?

Okay I swear imps and zombies didn't used to catapult themselves at the player whenever they died near a ledge. Did a recent GZDoom update change something?

>>5290041
only problem is 16 colors lol

>>5290771
No, that's intended behavior when you shoot an enemy that's standing on a ledge high enough above you. It's supposed to be a crude representation of the enemy falling over the ledge.

>>5290772
Dithering can do a lot.

Any of you guys using Debian Sid, by any chance? Just upgraded GZDoom to 3.7.1 and upon starting I had a crash because of a missing library.

Turns out I had to add a custom LD_LIBRARY_PATH to load libjpeg.so.8 , which has been deprecated in Debian in favor of libjpeg62-turbo-dev for years now. Never had to do that before.

Graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaf.

>>5290674
I was just joking with you
pretty sure you already saw it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhMMK3QLxSM

>>5286553
Has the All Clear mod for DOOM been updated unoficially around here again?

I really liked the /vr/-made edit the author linked in his description, the one with the Hotline Miami record scratch. Was wondering also what mod they were using for the music player seen in this webm

https://s1.webmshare.com/QPGJr.webm

>>5290674
jesus what
I remember sonic 2 running faster and in a higher res than that, I remember it being the first game where I thought 'holy fuck this is smooth as butter'

>>5291020
what about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NqjQf-xr-g

>>5291032
The Genesis had a crisp CPU if I remember right, and SEGA knew how to use it better than most others besides Konami and Treasure. Every other piece of its tech paled in comparison to the contemporaries that competed with it, but that CPU became the tagline for "blast processing" as a marketing gimmick. Arguably the Yamaha chip was also pretty bitchin' but only a handful of developers (like the aforementioned) used it worth a damn anyway.

>>5291032
That's because most genesis games uses tilemaps.
The bsp renderer I'm working on, as well as other genesis fps games, simulate a framebuffer by uploading the whole frame's worth of tiles to vram each frame. The whole point of consoles using tilemaps in the first place was to reduce the amount of bandwidth required to the graphics, so I'm lucky the genesis does it relatively well (compared to the snes for example).

>>5291048
dude died

>>5291048
he was killed by nintendo

>>5291064
>>5291067
wtf

>>5290981
He loves you. It's for your own good, I'm sure.

Or not.

I just fell into the Complex Doom hole. God help me.

I want... Alchemy Hexen. Big ol' cauldron on your back. Use it to bust some heads if you have to. Mix up some crazy potions and go ham. Fling nitro flasks around all day. Cooking mini-game. Yeeeeaaah!

>>5291069
we don't know, the dude stopped posting 3 years ago

>>5291097
Download clusterfuck, realize you're going down a path towards absolute idiocy.
>>5291105
Wrath of Cronos has this.

>>5291115
How do I get rid of the "GZDoom doesn't support execution of console commands from scripts" message that pops up whenever I first load a map?

Am I supposed to activate some GZDoom compatibility mode or something?

>>5291115
>Wrath of Cronos
Thanks, anon. Now I can smile forever.

>>5291115
If you like Complex and not Clusterfuck why would you play the latter? I don't get it.

>>5291097
I'm holding off until they release 1.6, it's been almost a year since the last update (so much so that we got all these fanmade addons like clusterfuck and others) and don't want to feel burned out when it comes out. They said it was coming out this month.