/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5265793
Who said that?

>>5265801

>>5254201
>>5254215
>>5254217
>>5264516

>>5265813
Why would care about what others think? Enjoy the games.

Autoscrolling is a lame concept. Why would you want to play a game that completely autoscrolls?

>>5265793
They're not fun. The only shmup I like is Galaga '88 and I'm not even sure that counts.

Different people have different opinions

Move on with life

>>5265793
I've never been able to beat any of the gradius games and it makes me feel inadequate

>>5265916
just use the konami code like lmao dude

>>5265793
There's nothing wrong with them. It's just pushback against the crossposters from /shmupgen/ who won't stop with the jarpig meme.

>>5265940
salty jarpig detected

>>5265940
You are not helping. -_-

>>5265813
>RPG
>Turn based combat
>Playing

Serious response: it's partially because there's not much that's good about them. Shmups were regularly made because they were braindead easy to design: autoscrolling is easy to work with, and the player controls a vehicle that (usually) just moves on a 2D plane at the player's whim, without a need to care about physical forces like gravity.

But in terms of what they offer to the player...it's not that much. Game completion and/or high score shit would've been cool in the 80s, but it would never be enough for the players after that. Anyone with half a brain would not feel their urge to blow up aliens be satisfied with a shmup -- the games are just too simplistic. And in most cases, the story is barebones or non-existent outside of a manual.

And this is to say nothing of the gameplay itself, which basically boils down to "memorize enemy patterns; position and shoot those patterns; rinse and repeat (usually after you die to new things) until you're victorious."

None of this is out-and-out *bad*. But, like I said, there's hardly much that can be argued to be objectively good. So, unless you're already the sort of person who likes shmups, you're almost certainly going to think they suck.

>>5266073
Shmups were a way to push sprite hardware, to really show off how much you can squeeze out of your system, at least that's what I heard in the interview with a Gradius II dev.

>>5265854
This is the biggest reason shmups aren't my favorite genre. I still like them a lot, especially more "cinematic" (atmospheric?) shmups like Thunder Force IV, R-Type Delta and Einhander, but I'll always loved run 'n gun games way more because you control when the screen scrolls.

Some of us just want to autistically show our dominance over normies like playing Ikaruga 2 Player mode alone or Radiant Silvergun swordplay only. If you can't handle us then move on.

>>5266073
cancer

>>5265813
>why do they persecute me so

>>5266120
/thread

>>5265854
It's more challenging and keeps a consistent pace

>>5266115

Jesus, I used to know someone like this in uni. Must have memory holed why I hated the community.

>>5266115
Personally I never understood trying to be the best at a one-player game. I get competitive when it comes to Street Fighter but in a shmup there's no motivation to do better

>>5266127
Take that comment with a grain of salt. It's all good fun. In the end all we want is to play video games.

>>5266135
Speak for yourself, all I want to do is get into petty arguments with strangers.

>>5266139
I'd punch you in the face for that if this was RL

>>5266124
Not always. You can have easy shmups with bad pacing. See pretty much every shmup Compile shat out.

>>5266146
I'd fuck your wife in the ass while you weep in a corner.

Why the fuck has this autistic war started between shmups and rpg players? Why can't you shitters enjoy both?

>>5265793
They're repetitive.

Play one side scroller, then play one top down.

Congratulations, you've played all that the genre has to offer. No wonder this derivative class of games died out.

>>5266073
Shmups are literally the only (still recognizable as) arcade genre that's flourishing (albeit as indie).

But hey, it's not like patrician taste grows on trees and I can't fault you for working with what you've been given.

>>5266208
I don't play either of them I just like being a prick and bring the board quality down.

>>5265793
Every single one is exactly the same game. Technically slightly different artwork, sure, but the gameplay itself is completely identical to the point that it's hard to tell most of them apart.

>>5266208
shump fans seething 24/7 because their shitty genre is all but dead

>>5266194
You can't do shit without your balls.

No one plays it, and the dozen people who claim they do CANNOT swallow that the rest of the world doesn't like these games. These subhumans go out of their way, daily, to shit, annoy, subvert and disturb threads of people having a good time.

So I don't really have any strong opinions on these quarter munching throwaway games, b the pathetic bitter fucks who play them informed me enough already.

>>5265793
Gitting gud at them is way too repetitive.

>>5266217
>>5266219
>t. neurotypicals

shmups are the OG videogames and always will be. It's fine if you don't like them but you can't honestly say classics like asteroids or defender are shit and expect anyone to take you seriously.

>pew pew kaboom

>>5266212
Shmups are the arcade equivalent of shovelware. They're easy for no-talent hacks with zero creativity to pump out by the truckload, but they were never good games.

>>5266238
Actually, no.

>>5266238
what a dumbass, how could the first video games ever be shovelware

>>5266238
Shit like Galaga was good back in the day - but there's a reason the genre got left behind as game design and arcade cabinet capabilities progressed

>>5266226
You know, I never thought of it but shumps are about as autistic as speed running. You just memorize the same patterns hundreds of times by rote trial and error.

>>5266217
What a completely retarded thing to say.

>>5266252
The first ones obviously weren't, because they were first. But that's not what shmup autists play, is it? They play '90s and '00s garbage shovelware.

>>5266269
Not as retarded as shmup game "design".

>>5266235
>>5266264
Asteroids and Galaga are fundamentally different than autoscrolling shmups

ITT collective seething

>>5266282
I know that, but at around the same time you got autoscrolling shmups you also got better run n gun options like Contra which add another dimension to player control and allows for more varied level design and strategy.

Like I enjoyed UN Squadron, but Contra 3 will always be a hundred times better in my book.

>>5265793
I like them. I'm pretty fucking bad at them through. Never beat one

They're fun, but when I do get bored of them the aversion to them I feel after is stronger than it is when I get tired of any other given genre.

>>5265813
Those look like falseflag posts by /vg/ kids.

>>5266220

>>5265793
Shmup games are good, it's the fans who are bad

>>5266448
And it's mostly the young western fans who are insufferable. Older guys who actually were there back in the day and japanese fans are OK.

>>5266476
Usually zoomers are only into shooters with gay little girls and rainbow piss patterns in it and don't touch the true classics like Tyrian or Ikaruga.

>>5266482
They pretend to like older games for "cred" though, but yeah their entrance was touhou.

They're not -bad-, but they're incredibly simplistic games with little real difficulty outside pattern and muscle memory.

Outside of high scores - which have basically zero relevance outside of arcades - there's no real reward for mastery. Honestly, in a lot of these games you'll have a more rewarding run if you die on every stage than you will if you kick ass, with Gradius being a particularly strong example.

Nothing, theyre fun games. Only retards who never played them think theyre bad which can be seen from the completely clueless opinions ITT

>>5266520
"Muscle memory" (execution) is basically the biggest source of difficulty in all action games. But also theres plenty of shmups with substantial rng, Gun.Smoke for instance

>>5266520
Based and redpilled
>>5266527
Gay and pinkpilled

>>5265793
Bad? More like rad!

>>5266542
More like Gay.Schlock

>>5266306
Run n guns are an inferior subgenre of shmups, they lack strategy particularly games like Contra which boils down to dont stop running and shoot and dodge the easy and clearly telegraphed boss attacks, they lack challenge and they lack depth since shmups were already developing elaborate scoring systems while run n guns just had the basic survival.

>>5265854
>Autoscrolling
>Die if you touch the edge of the screen

>>5266558
run n guns have their own scoring system, it's called time.

>>5266558
Scoring is optional content for a niche audience.

>>5266571
Exists in shmups and is weak for scoring purposes. Meanwhile in shmups you have creative unique and awesome systems that play unlike anything else and are built to be satisfying and fun. But it's harder to learn a new complex system from the ground up than just GO FAST right?
>>5266574
They make up the bulk of 90s and 00s shmups, if you ignore scoring and think it's optional you basically don't even play the game. Also, it's absurd that it even has to be explained that scoring is of primary importance in arcade games, but here we are.

>>5266630
>scoring is of primary importance in arcade games
Classic arcade games maybe, but for me the arcade was fighting games. Nothing else mattered. I'm not the only one either - in fact the "playing for score" way has fallen into obscurity, kept alive only through niche players.

>>5266640
Arcade genres as a whole have fallen into obscurity fighting games can survive somewhat thanks to online play but even they pale in comparison to modern competitive genres. A system being niche nowadays doesn't say anything about its importance to the games

Arcades introduced the concept of gambling and pay to win, they were the beginning to everything that's wrong with gayming these days.

>>5266646
Fair point. I guess scoring is just a concept that is alien to me, coming from playing console platformers, fighting games and RPGs.

>>5266669
The best way to get into scoring nowadays is to pick a game and compete with a friend of yours over a period of some time, very easy to see the fun in it that way. Online leaderboards aren't the same since it's a bunch of faceless randoms

>>5266721
Man, if only I was so lucky as to have friends into retro.

I lost all enjoyment of games until I started playing shmups. I cant hardly play modern trash anymore. So much damage has been done to gaming.

Anyway, people dont have the attention span to play for score anymore. Most people ITT have already played 15 different games this week.

>>5266774
>Most people ITT have already played 15 different games this week.
How much fucking free time do you have? Don't you have work?

>>5266736
There are modern games with scoring too, 2016 Doom has scoring in the arcade mode so if you pick a level you and your friend like and do some friendly competition you might have a lot of fun there too. Nex Machina is another one, though it's retro-styled.

>>5266774
this but with speedrunning

>>5266073
>mommy this game is hard ;_;
>there there dear, it's not your fault, it's just a bad game

>>5266306
Dude, shmuppers are the only ones taking run'n'guns seriously (i.e. not just credit feeding or konami coding), and and none of them agree with you. Tell me anon, do you know the konami code by heart?

>>5266264
>You just memorize the same patterns hundreds of times by rote trial and error.
Not even the *memorizer* subgenre can be described as "just trial and error."

>>5266814
Who the fuck doesn't know the konami code meme, you underaged faggot?

Easily one of the most autistic /vr/ and /vg/ memes. Both JRPGs and shmups are shit genres in the exact same way. Both best serve as easy-to-make vessels for jerking off pretty visuals and music with absolutely minimal regards to gameplay. Both can easily have good gameplay too, but the developers never, ever give enough of a fuck for that. You always end up with brain dead, boring garbage. All you do is just go over the same, repetitive bullshit over and over and the only reward you get is getting to watch some numbers go up. You people are fucking animals.

>>5266827
Someone who doesn't have to cheat?

>>5266876
Both genres have good and bad games.
The problem are certain autistic "fans"

>>5266876
Which 2D action games have good gameplay then in your opinion?

>>5266876
git gud

>>5266876
GOOD PASTA

>>5266896
Revenge of the Gator.

>>5266896
Cheetahmen of course.

>>5265793
R-Type Delta and Einhander are epic games with epic soundtracks. Nothing bad about those experiences except the difficulty and required memorization similar to playing the piano.

>>5266952
Thunder Force IV and V are similarly amazing experiences with incredible graphics and sound. They make you want to play even if you aren't any good.

>>5265854
Contra doesn't autoscroll.

>>5265854
Shmups aren't just autoscrolling, run n guns are a subgenre of shmups and even outside of them you have shmups that give you full movement freedom like Fantasy Zone derived ones or In The Hunt or Jackal. Along with oddities like Kingdom Grand Prix and Super Spy Hunter. But autoscrolling gives a lot of benefits since it allows game designers to have a lot of control over the experience, not just in terms of making consistent difficulty but also in terms of scoring systems. Run n guns can have good scoring systems, but they will quickly become messy without strict timers or speed based multipliers.

>>5267014
>In the Hunt
>Jackal
Two fucking amazing games

>>5267020
Jackal's an awesome game, wish it wasn't so easy though

>>5266558
Contra had scores, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>5267042
ELABORATE scoring systems, not barebones broken shit. You can get more points by just milking parts with respawning enemies over and over. If you compare a high scoring Metal Slug replay with a high scoring Rayforce replay, it's night and day.

What do you guys consider Bangai-O to be?
I know it's based on an old ass indie japanese game for home computers called Hover Attack, which mixes shooting with platforming, but Bangai-O also adds the whole itano circus thing.

>>5267052
Ah, I see what you mean.

Still, I stand by the assertion that player controlled progression and platforming elements add more dynamics to the game over auto scrolling maps.

>>5267074
If looked at in a vacuum, sure. However run n gun platforming elements don't have enough depth to compensate for the removal of free movement. Manual scrolling also tends to be a curse because not only does it fuck up difficulty balance and reward cheese but it also makes it harder to craft good scoring systems that aren't the same kind of multiplier/chain you see in all run n guns that attempted a proper scoring system. You also have the actual level/game design to look at which is quite stale. It's basically the same kind of memorization as you see in late 80's shmups, except easier. Run n guns have a lot of potential on paper, but in practice shmups are a far better genre in execution. I wish the big shmup devs took run n guns more seriously, we'd get some really great ones then.

>>5267073
It's a genre all its own. It's strange how there's nothing else out there like it, except for maybe KO Mech.

Most trash thread I've read in a minute

>>5265793
Nothing, shmups are fun.

>>5266101
Play In The Cunt by Irem. That one doesn't autoscroll

>>5265793
>What's so bad about shmups anyway?
Nobody plays them anymore and the genre is dead. People rather play walking sims nowadays.

>>5267073
Horizontally-facing, 360-degree 2D shooter with puzzle and danmaku elements.

>>5267073
I consider it a Robotron 2084-like.

>>5265793
Scrubs hate them.

>>5265793
The community in the west. Like always, full of retards, ameridumbs, sjws, and elitists.

They make Jarpiggies SEETHE

Playing games at a high skill level is pretty bluepilled anyways. Just look at all the speedrunning autists that end up becoming trannies and attention whore themselves on livestreaming websites.

>>5265854
What are some nice non-autoscrolling shmups? Not ones that are in 3D though.

>>5267415
This.

>>5267451
They almost always come from america tho, so degeneration is not a big surprise.

>>5267073
Just a 2D exploration game centered on bulletgrazing.

>>5265793
Nothing. It is the best genre.

>>5267089
>Manual scrolling reward cheese
This. Unless you do continously spawning enemies a la Gunstar Heroes you'll end up with Metal Slug style stop'n'pop every few pixels of the screen.

Or you just do a Contra where you pick up a spreadshot and then nothing matters anymore.

>>5267415
>sjws
that's not how you spell pedos

>>5268064
In the west they are rather tranny lovers than pedo lovers. Touhou community might be an exception but they are a case of its own...

>>5265793
Nothing. I find that most of them are really difficult but I've always enjoyed Gradius (even though I can't beat it).

>>5266073
>And this is to say nothing of the gameplay itself, which basically boils down to "memorize enemy patterns; position and shoot those patterns; rinse and repeat (usually after you die to new things) until you're victorious."
I've seen this argument for every difficult game of every genre ever made. People say this as a bizarre way to validate themselves, its the equivalent of making a strawman. Its always an argument made by someone who made no attempt to engage with the material; disguised as objective and matter-of-fact but actually simplistic and ignorant of what they're talking about. Fuck you!

It's autistic enough to have shumps as your favorite genre, it's doubly autistic to be constantly seething over people enjoying a different genre than you. /vg/ shumptards are all Chris-chan tier spergs.

>>5268549
Most people on shmupg play other genres themselves. Some also play jrpgs and shit.

However, if you are happy with the current state of the vidya industry, you are obviously a retard. You can't blame people for complaining about that shit like Fortnite and Undertale are popular as fuck, while really good games basically die out.

idk either you like shooting things or you dont and i think its fun gameplay and i find it casually rewarding to get good at a game and 1cc it. feels like the reasons people give for them being bad are just reasons invented after the fact based on simple emotional disinterest, which its okay to have.

>>5268576
>the reasons people give for them being bad
People who say they are bad are just seething because they can only play handholding walking sims for retards. So they invent retarded nonsense to justify why challenging games are "bad".

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to enjoy STGs.

>>5268601
Not really... many STG players are dumb as fuck. You need high IQ to be really good at them tho.

>>5268584
thats partially true, but i imagine some of these people are into other types of challenging games. why dont people say they simply dislike something if thats what theyre feeling and why dont people give reasons that arent obviously made up when theres more to it?

>>5268609
>i imagine some of these people are into other types of challenging games
There really aren't any genres as challenging as STG. It's the hardest single player genre by far.
Many people still enjoy multiplayer, which also can get really hard, but most people also play this very casually.

>why dont people give reasons that arent obviously made up when theres more to it?
Because telling their true reasons would be shameful for them. Many people still think Dark Souls is the hardest game ever... Of course they will just invent bullshit reasons instead of admitting that they actually just prefer casual games.

>>5268623
Elitists like you are why the shmup community is disliked and the games are avoided. Your belief that there aren't any genres as challenging as STGs is wrong and embarrassing.

>>5268628
Show me a single player genre as hard as this. Some shmups are hard as fuck. Other single player games are mostly a joke compared.

>>5268628
also if you think so-called "elitists" are a bad thing you ARE a faggot, and you are definitely wrong.

>>5268635
Racing games and puzzle games can easily reach the same extreme level of difficulty. Time trials and high-level tetris for example. PC strategy games on single player can also be extremely difficult.

>>5268653
Elitism is not a good thing. Gatekeeping is not a good thing. If you use the word "normie" at all YOU are the problem.

>>5268656
>Racing games and puzzle games can easily reach the same extreme level of difficulty
They also can get really hard, true, but most people who enjoy such games also still respect shmups. Plus these games are not as punishing as shmups. You don't have to play racing games for very good times. In shmups however, you have to play more or less decent, to even be able to beat the game. Many shmups are really difficult even just for survival, not to mention how difficult they become when you play for score later.

>>5268661
in my experience they're great things for any community, because they keep out people who dont know shit about fuck. if you're actually kept out by "gatekeeping and elitism" over anything then you had no real interest in whatever it was in the fucking first place. i can tell we have different definitions of these which makes me hate buzzword shit even more.

>>5268656
lot of people who play strategy games arent into other genres

>>5268669
>they keep out people who dont know shit about fuck
sadly most people who act elitist mostly just talk bullshit

>>5268656
>PC strategy games on single player
Still no comparison to shmups.

You have to imagine, pc strategy games are commercial games, made for average dumbfucks.
Shmups however, they were basically only made for superplayers after a certain point.
High score players were the main people who supported these games after a certain point.
That's why shmups pander so much to really huigh level players, more than any other genre.

>>5268669
Perhaps we do have different definitions. I'm all for recognizing and seeking improvement and taking on challenges. I'm all for healthy competition. I think you have an idea of what I mean by elitism and gatekeeping

>>5268708
i think what may have happened is ive spent so much time around genuine retards who call elitism whenever their lack of knowledge is exposed that ive assumed that definition to be everyone's

>>5268667
I will agree that low-level shmup gameplay is much more difficult than low-level racing and puzzle gameplay. At high levels the genres become similar though.

>>5268607
>Not really... many STG players are dumb as fuck.
some of you are close to having a moment of clarity, but then you go back to crying about how all the other kids are probably just jealous

>>5268738
>At high levels the genres become similar though
Not really. Racing games and puzzle games are still made for casuals mostly. Shmups however are made for high level players who feed thousands of coins in arcades

shmups are based
jarpigs are waste

>>5265793
>What's so bad about shmups anyway?
first of all, there are usually explosions, whicha ren't supposed to happen, and then there's the lasers which aren't very practical. It's all just a stretch of the imagination which defies the common sense of anyone who has done any sort of martial arts or sword fighting.

>>5265793
Not enough exist - I have to emulate old consoles to play the greatest ones

Can we count After Burner 32X as one?

>>5268905
arcade shoot em ups are best.emulate them on mame

afterburner is not a shoot em up and why mention just the 32x version specifically

STATE OF VR

>>5268932
32X was best version after the Arcade of course

>>5268932
>afterburner is not a shoot em up
Sure it is, it just plays in fake 3D. And then you have true 3D shmups like Star Fox and Panzer Dragoon. They should have made more like those, they were damn fun.

shmups attract the worst kind of /vg/ scum

>>5268976
Shmups are a /vr/ genre, if you don't like them you should GTFO you fucking cancerous jarpig shitter.

Besides Panzer Dragoon, what are the good SHMUPS on Sega Saturn?

>>5268996
found the seething crossposter

>>5269002
Space Harrier and Virtua Cop

>>5269002
I dunno, maybe Radiant Silvergun?

>>5269002
most of the saturn shooters that were good were arcade as well so you can try em on mame
if i had to pick 3
battle garegga
batsugun
layer section

Is this the best ship in all of shmup history?

>>5269065
It's really the Force device that does all the heavy lifting

>>5269149
Even without the force units the R ships are deadly because of their wave cannons. Especially in R-Type 3 where you can nuke half the screen or have a supercharged mingun with rotating bit devices.

>>5268865
at HIGH level they do become similar you fuckin retard, all the competitive racing games haver had players grinding courses for pbs for YEARS, just because a game caters to casuals to doesn't mean its ceiling isn't massive, you obviously know fuck all about time trialling so fuck off.

>>5268738
you're correct.

>>5268667
mostly true but not always, go play ridge racers V expert gp mode, it's harder to beat than a lot of 1ccs for me.

>>5269656
>at HIGH level they do become similar you fuckin retard
No they don't. You can play shmups for years and still be nowhere near wr level. One of the reasons for this is probably because shmups are much longer than your usual time trial course. Shmups also have much harder competition. Racing games are more comparable to speedrunning. And in Tetris even dumbfucks like KevinXXL can be wr level.

>>5265793
shmups are badass bro who gives a fuck

>>5267858

Assault
Defender/Stargate
Space Invaders
Phoenix
Satan's Hollow
Gorf
Galaga/Galaxian/Gaplus/Galaga '88
Centipede/Millipede
Fantasy Zone

>>5269771
>not listing In The Hunt

>>5265793
they suck dick.

>>5265793

Nothing. They're my favorite genre.

>>5269792
Nice sick grabz

>>5269721
Delusional shmupig

>>5269826
Go and show me any fucking racing game record on a level like shit like reaching loop 20 in Gradius 3 or reaching loop 50 in Raiden 2.

Shmup players are on a whole other level. This shit is not fucking speedrunning. Japanese arcade players grinded these games for decades.

>>5269721
Well for racing games you can do things like full 30 minute long rally championships which consist purely of unique tracks. Those will very much be shmup tier at high level, but hardly anyone seriously competes using that format, its always individual tracks.

>>5268064
Japan has a way bigger pedo community. They still sell pedo porn legally.

>>5269847
based

>>5269828
daytona usa, dirt, RBR, any battle gear? wipeout xl/3 and even more so there's NO fucking rng shit like shmups it's all execution and skill so yes it is on the same level, the fact a 3 min race can be competitive for literally years says it all.

go on then dickhead go compete against this actual professional rally driver who isn't even first on the boards

https://youtu.be/5xw8DJY7aZQ

I do both and you don't so shut the fuck up.

>>5269836
because thats how racing works and yet new records are still set on courses, it's the absolute highest test of precision and refined logic in driving, there's so much going on plebs just dont get.

>>5269721
>And in Tetris even dumbfucks like KevinXXL can be wr level.

he may be a fat self loathing bratwurst lipped titty monster but he's been playing tetris for as long and longer than most shmup wrs.

ppl stick to things they initially enjoy and racing + tetris are just inherently more fun than stg rng shit fest stealing your wrs until he lets you win.

>>5269870
>actual professional rally driver who isn't even first on the boards
Yea, because nobody actually plays these games seriously because they are fucking boring. Shmup players however sometimes play their games almost religiously. Racing games are more like speedrunning where you can get world records within a year even in popular shit like Goldeneye.

>I do both
And at both you are mediocre SHITE so stfu

>>5269878
>stg rng shit fest stealing your wrs until he lets you win
Lmao Tetris GM is full of rng. And Shmups actually can have deep scoring systems. Racing games are just boring "gotta go fast".
This makes shmups much more demanding at high level because the skill ceiling is much higher.

>>5269881
>Yea, because nobody actually plays these games seriously
Yes they do, you have actual pro racers who dedicate their life to it grinding all day in iracing, you know nothing

>>5269907
They don't dedicate their lifes to the tracks and cars in the games tho. Because playing these games for so long becomes pretty boring.
Shmups have much more interesting gameplay, that's why people stick to the games much longer too.

Take Clover-Tac for example. The guy was so obsessed with shmups, that he even made his own game which is on a level like Cave games. No other genre has people so obsessed with the games as shmups.

>>5269891
>no logic
>ignorance

yep as expected, is that you kraut? it's that trademark dumb fuck bullshit that comes from being a one trick pony i can tell.

>>5269881
>Yea, because nobody actually plays these games seriously because they are fucking boring.
lmfaoooooo there's THOUSANDS of entries on Dirts time boards, same with forza, same with RBR forums, every racing game gets fucking WAY more competitive play than stgs thats just a fact.

>>5269881
>And at both you are mediocre SHITE so stfu
get anywhere near my times then? fucking idiot. You're shit at EVERYTHING.

I had wr in rallisport challenge until ghegs beat me fyi, we both beat the official boards and other boards best times by 3 seconds.

You can get wr in a easy shmup to in a year, like novice crimzon clover or someshit which would only take weeks. You're are just comparing base level like it matters when all that matters is the CEILING, racing games have a HUGE ceiling, you can always squeeze out ms,s. You know fuck all about racing tech because you're low test no logic pussy female brain can't muster the logic for it.

>>5269891
>Lmao Tetris GM is full of rng.
didn't say it didn't, it's factored in in a way that works though unlike stgs which are just devs wanting more money so LOL GIVE BOSS 3 RANDOW PATTERN SKEWING MOVEMENT! ADD TO TLB TO SO SPERG GRINDS FOR 4 YEARS LONGER.

I have the most cross genre experience here and i'm fucking better than you still at all of them so i don't wanna fucking hear your ignorant bilge spew fuck face. Either DO IT or CUNT OFF

>>5269909
>They don't dedicate their lifes to the tracks and cars in the games tho.
yes they fucking do, jesus fuck you ignorant idiotic fucking cunt. You are fucking brain damaged kraut and completely wrong about everything.

>>5269909
>Take Clover-Tac for example. The guy was so obsessed with shmups, that he even made his own game which is on a level like Cave games. No other genre has people so obsessed with the games as shmups.
yeah and? there was a lad who became so obsessed with le manns on xbox and ended up being a pro driver IRL.

you are a fucking embarrassment to your country.

I think what this thread has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt is that, regardless of your feelings on shmups as a genre, their fanbase is nothing but the purest cancer.

>>5269912
>You can get wr in a easy shmup to in a year, like novice crimzon clover or someshit which would only take weeks
I was obviously talking about arcade shmups. No shit you can get world records in doujin. They are more comparable to racing games. Arcade shmups however have different kinds of players.

>>5269915
>there was a lad who became so obsessed with le manns on xbox and ended up being a pro driver IRL
Only shows that people with real interest in racing actually prefer driving real cars. They don't really care about the games, they just like car races.
If he really loved the games, he would not become a driver irl, he would make his own game.

>>5269909
Yes they do, for a start they specialize in a style of racing which limits their options but they also choose a car and a laser scanned track. There's an interview where the pro driver pretty much just directly says that when he's not actually driving all he does is play iRacing, while doing it in the footage.

>>5269959
>pro driver pretty much just directly says that when he's not actually driving all he does is play iRacing
Again, only shows that people with real interest in racing become drivers irl. They don't really care about the games.
Just because a shmup player becomes a pilot also doesn't mean he is good at shmups.

>>5269963
That's because being good at shmups and being a good pilot are skills that have nothing to do with each other obviously. With racing games it's not like that, real driving has a physical layer to it but there are countless other skills that transfer so being good at one will make you good at the other. If you want an example of this, look at Gregger Huttu who went from iRacing to a real track, and what was holding him back is more him being a gamer in bad shape than his ability to drive the car.

>>5268301
I'm saving this for future use because I'm tired of this shit too anon.
Might as well go full
>"all you do is press button"

>>5269975
>Gregger Huttu who went from iRacing to a real track
Yes, because he didn't really care about the games, he cared about racing. Like I said, racing game fans are not as obsessed with the games. They are more like wannabe drivers, and actually just want to drive cars irl instead of playing their boring games.

>>5270026
So you didn't look into this and are just assuming things based on your own idea of what it's like. No, he cared about the game. If you look into his story he doesn't even drive an actual car, he just really liked playing iRacing, did it for years and didn't try to become a pro driver in real life. If he just wanted to become an irl driver he would take steps towards it

>>5269917
What's wrong with a couple of dudes sporting 100 word vocabularies discussing how their preference in video games proves their superiority to ordinary people

>>5269917
I actually rather enjoy this shmups vs. racing debate. It's the best argument I've seen on this board in months. 2019 year of the Racer?

>>5269743
This game is pain incarnate, I love it to death but man it hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAUqyCqhQYo

shoot em ups are the best except for ikapooooooogaaaaa

>>5265793
Lemme shoot things and I'm happy

>>5269792
Might as well show my collection, though it's not nearly as impressive as yours.

>>5270990
>not hoarding 46 copies of RSG to inflate eBay prices
disapoint :/

>>5269792
Might as well show my collection, but it's not nearly as impressive as yours.

>>5271002
You can't hide your shame, you little bitch. We watch you masturbate.
>>5270990

>>5271009
I just forgot to add Zanac to the pile, that's all

>>5269847
G*d bless Japan

>>5266212
>Shmups are literally the only (still recognizable as) arcade genre that's flourishing
what is rhythm and fighting?

>>5266208
>Why the fuck has this autistic war started between shmups and rpg players? Why can't you shitters enjoy both?
/shmupg/ on /vg/ has resident shitposters

>>5265793
I would say the biggest flaw of the genre is that in order to get good in a shmup, you have to memorize a lot. In most games there is simply little room for improvisation at high levels.

That's one of the things I love about Guwange, which is a huge exception to this rule. You have to memorize a lot too, but in this game it's more about excecution and reflexes rather than pattern memorization, I'd say.

>>5269881
>And at both you are mediocre SHITE so stfu
chav absolutely btfo
how can he recover from this bros?

>>5271002

>>5269792 here.
Sorry, that wasn't my full collection. Here's pretty much the rest of it, I think. I have done a very poor job of getting 8-bit space shooters, but they're cheaper and easier to collect than getting most 16-bit ones. I'll get to them later. IMO any way you can play these games is fine by me. Get a bunch of CD-Rs/flash carts if you need to. I use them myself.

Go play Mars Matrix.

shmups are great with rewind.

I suck at these things myself(jarpiggu fan) but they're awesome enough that I wish I was good at them.
Take that how you will. A good shooter screams "quintessential videogame" to me. No other genre best represents games IMO.

As an aside, being "autistic" enough to be badass at shooters and knowing their scoring idiosyncrasies isn't a valid negative trait, and fucktards acting like fools claiming otherwise need to just stop.

>>5273546
worst false flag since 9/11

>>5273554
I know. But you'll get over it. Ain't nothing better than doing meth/3-MMC/NEP then playing some Thunder Force 4 or R-Type 3. Or(heaven forgive me for uttering this name)DonPachi on a tilted(portrait) 40" 4K monitor. Arcade sound full-blast sub turned way the fuck up.

>>5273546
Shmuck fan here. I wish my genre was cool and ambitious like JRPGs instead of being a forgotten relic of the 80s. I'm deeply jealous that FFVII managed to sell 10 million copies.

>>5273640
JRPGs are also not really what they once were anymore.

>>5273649
Yeah, which makes this rivalry really hilarious. First pershit reigned for a generation and now everyone plays maybe 2 games total

>>5273649
It's not fair bros... why do modern jarpigs sell so well and are critically acclaimed while our genre is almost extinct?

>>5273670
probably because people shat out shmups for years on end so just play one of those. You want sjws to get their hands on gradius?

shmups aren't for shcmucks jarpigs for the cucks

>>5273670
Jarpigs appeal to the lowest common denominator. Skill is frowned upon in our modern judeo-marxist world.

>>5273670
It's much easier to innovate when you make a game about interactive stories. Making an innovative shmup is much harder because of how technical the games are. Everything has already been done in them.

>>5273670
Arkham's Razor dude: jpegs are superior

they need to make shoot em ups harder. they are just too easy

>>5274045
If only all shumps had used checkpoints and not allowed continuing.

FUCKING casuals killing my favorite genre.

>>5274081
based

>Game completely unrelated to Shoot 'em ups puts you in a section where you have to reach a high score on one to progress.
Tips for getting good at shmups, besides 'git gud'?
Always liked them, but I suck hard at them. I never go past Stage 2.

>>5274096
It comes down to patience and willingness to suck for a long time and continue playing. You have to grind it out until you become better, which can take days, months or years depending on your learning ability.

>>5274096
Wat game? Different games require different approaches

>>5274106
This is a dumb approach, grind is necessary to get good but you won't magically improve by just playing a game, or at least not within a reasonable amount of time. You have to actively learn and think about how to improve, build routes and more. If you already have routes in mind and just need to work on your execution that's when grinding comes in. But just flailing and getting lucky for 100 hours is a waste of time.

>>5274125
I build routes subconsciously by playing the game. I do it all by feel and instinct, I'm not a thinker

>>5274146
You are wasting time in that case, or playing something easy

>>5274156
Perhaps I am wasting time, but I'll eventually get there, and I'm doing it in a way that agrees with me. That's the most important thing.

>>5274160
Whatever floats your boat I guess I find it more enjoyable to figure a game out, helps consistency too

>>5274146
>I'm not a thinker
we can tell

>>5267317
> In the cunt
My sides

>>5274106
>days, months or years
27 years trying and I just don't cut it.
I swear, I can't get Ikaruga's patterns, even at gunpoint.
Maybe I lack MUH RESOLVE, but I'll keep trying. Thanks.

>>5274120
It's a parody of a parody game contained within a pseudo retro game that is more of a homage, and most of that rendition gets lost in the remake in order to avoid legal problems and "make the game stand on its own.
Good game, though.

>>5265793
'em

>>5274096
>Tips for getting good at shmups, besides 'git gud'?
Just to be super-general, but are you being mindful of things such as your positioning on the screen, where you focus your eyes on screen, never standing still, backwards dodging etc?

>>5265793
Dying in one hit.

This is why Tyrian remains one of the best (also it's free)

if a game can't be played in an arcade, it belongs in the gay pride parade

>>5273640
JRPGs are fucked these days too. Modern technology has taken all the fun out of them. I like em because in the typical example, I start with practical nobodies, and through combat and resource allocation by the end of the game, my party is composed of near-Gods. Classic example, Cloud goes from hitting for less than 200 damage and gets curbstomped by low-level riffraff at the beginning, but by the time disc-3 rolls around he's fighting demigods single-handedly. I like the powering up aspect.

Shooters/shmups beat me because my patience with trying over and over again is god-awful, so I can't put in the time and runs needed to learn a shmup's patterns.
But sometimes I can handle it no problem.

>>5275169
>Modern technology has taken all the fun out of them
Hell, you could say that for every genre around.
The big names think flashy graphics, voice acting and social quotas make good games, ditching core elements like gameplay.
And a straightforward, mostly showy genre that would benefit from most of the technology like shmups falls behind.

>>5275910
perfect

>>5274687
Are they not all free

>>5274687
>offsetting shitty stage/formation/pattern design with excessive life bars

Tyrian gets a pass because of muh nostalgia and the good music

>>5265793
All memorization and patterns. No real skill involved. For autists, by autists.

what's a newbie friendly shmups? I always want to play them but i'm shit and I always lose all my credits in like the first level.

>>5276563
salty

>>5276569
There's dozens in different styles. Raiden DX novice, Batrider training mode, Batsugun Special, Flying Shark, Deathsmiles if you want to get into bullet hell or Gradius 1 (Nemesis version). These aren't necessarily effortless though, you may need to spend a dozen hours or more playing them for a 1cc if you're new, but it depends on your overall gaming skill and how fast you learn.

>>5276569
Gradius on the NES is very short, and relies on your basic manouvering. Also has a shield powerup you'll use a lot.

But don't go thinking playing shmups is all about the 1CCs. It's about preservering and overcoming. But most of all: having fun. I've got a dozen 1CCs under my belt but most of my shmup playing is just chasing scores and having fun, while never reaching the later stages.

MEMORY GAMES

>>5276563
Skill is based on memorization and knowing patterns, retard.

>>5276882
Only basement-dwelling nerds waste their braincells on memorizing games when they could be learning other skills that are actually useful instead.

Games are for FUN, not work. You tryhards that want to turn games into careers are fucking cancer.

raptor was one of my favorites when i was a teen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grXkzisSEM4

>>5276893
>waste their braincells
As if your average shmup player doesn't have a PhD and speak at least 3 languages. Only rednecks have to care about "muh precious few braincells".

Basically, shumps have the same fanbase as the speedrunning community. They're played by autists who enjoy doing the same thing ad infinitum. You can get "competitive" on JRPGs too by trying to speedrun them. Doesn't mean it's not a massive autistic waste of time. You'd be better off putting all that time and effort in trying to get good at a multiplayer game instead.

Bullet hells killed them.

>>5278139
>only autists have the patience to acquire skills.
>gaining mastery isn't fun

>>5278191
This. While I personally would rather gain mastery of something else, this is one activity that would fit well.

>>5278156
t. plays console shmups and has no 1ccs yet pretends to be a massive fan and purist

>>5278139
No they dont at all, we hate the fucking trannies.

Also calling everything autistic is just the egos way of deflecting from how shit and incapable you are by demoralizing those who do dedicate and achieve the tasks they wish, a meaningless defensive buzzword used by the shit to encourage more shit so they can feel better about themselves but nope you're just shit.

>>5278217
I claim no such thing. I simply claim that bullet hells killed the shmup genre.

>>5271663
>>5273650
Who is it?

>>5265793

Is it my imagination or are all Gradius games the fucking same.

>>5278139
>They're played by autists who enjoy doing the same thing ad infinitum.
No - speedrunning a game with fast results like a Perfect Dark level is a LOT less autistic than speedrunning a game like a Zelda game. You get feedback within minutes, while with a autistic speedrun you need to be at it for hours. By your logic weightlifting or running is autistic.
>You'd be better off putting all that time and effort in trying to get good at a multiplayer game instead.
Why? Explain your reasoning for this please.

>>5278139
>autists

Basically you are a retarded millennial who has no idea what Autism is.Nice beard though :D

>>5278220
Well you're wrong since they revived interest and kept shmups alive. It's also true that this "bullet hell killed the genre" sentiment is primarily seen among non players with actual players appreciating different styles.

toaplan ,raizing and caves are the best

>>5276510
Unfortunately, modern tech has taken the creativity out of game design. There's no more barriers or problems to work around. Modern game design has nearly unlimited memory and near-as-makes-no-diff processing power. When technology was weaker, it often forced good devs to hone their skills to bring their games to life. This is exemplified by the complete blurring of modern consoles with PCs. They're no longer two different styles like in the 80s and 90s.

>>5278229
>play multiplayer game against other people
>be able to socialize with them since the game most likely has mic support
>make friends with a few of them
>those friends might point you to the right direction in life (such as a higher paying job)
>now able to live on your own, financially sound
vs
>playing the same shitty shmup 50 times a day to get a high score
>your high score will never be as good as the japanese
>still living with your parents
>no friends
>no life
>starts liking loli girls (see Touhou)
>thoughts of suicide

>>5279218
>liking girls
Don't worry. That will never happen to the shmuck community.

The salt here from both sides is delicious. Keep it coming.

>>5279218
zoomer detected

>>5279248
Agree, what a clown. Like holy shit even after his first dumb post I wouldn't imagine something this bullshit, it's like this guy has NEVER played any multiplayer or shmup games very much. I thought he might say something about how he bonded with real friends playing fighters or something but talking to random people online with a mic.. my god. Then just invents a bunch of fairytale stuff.

I would bet a lot of money what this dude actually does with his time is spend it on places like r9k circle jerking about how much his life sucks.

>>5279218
>still living with your parents
>no friends
>no life
>starts liking loli girls (see Touhou)
>thoughts of suicide

Sounds more like jarpigs to me, not competitive gaming chads.

shmup players are ninjas that is all you need to know.

>>5279291
Is competing with yourself as pathetic as having sex with yourself?

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me.

>>5279296
You compete against other people's scores, dummy.

>b-but it's not multiplayer!
And? It's still a competition.

>>5279298

>>5279308
It will never be real. It's fake

>>5279320
What you say?

>>5279338
I'm sorry you suck.

>>5279342
It's fine. We're all bad at and clueless about games on /vr/.

>>5279353
Zoom zoom zoomer.

>>5279360
Not him but why are you trying to ruin this thread? Just go away, noone wants to hear your "opinions". You're wasting people's time.

>>5279360
At least he's not a geriatric 4channeler with unwarranted self-importance for having gone to an arcade back in the day with nothing else to be proud about.

>>5279360
We get it, you're too old to play games decently anymore so you shitpost to people younger than you who can play games better than you did in your prime. Get over yourself, you sad faggot.

shoot em ups are just too cool for vr

>>5279420
*too gay
Fixed for you.

>>5279218
>zoomer playing COD and shit talking in the mic will succeed in life
>not the person with the discipline to achieve long term goals like mastering a shmup

>>5279371
>>5279382
>>5279395
I didn't expect such a simple reply would make you seethe so hard.

>>5279428
What about graduating college, getting out of your mom's basement, learning a second language, playing an instrument, getting fit?
Nah I'll just waste thousands of hours playing repetitive children's toys.

>>5279428
How many shmup streamers make money compared to FPS streamers?

top shoot em up cyber athletes make about 100 dollars a month

>>5279434
>implying COD players do any of that
>implying that your average shmup player isn't well over 30 and have done all of that already

>>5279469
Zooooooom

>>5279382
>>5279395
You dumbasses, that's the retarded kid you're talking to. That's the kid who is against shmups and just because he said "zoomers" you think it's an old person. You can't even follow a simple conversation.

>>5279526
Nice try, zoomer. I'm older than you.

Fortnite is the only good shmup.

t. 15-year-old

>>5279545
Real boomers play Ikaruga.

>>5279547
no one plays ikaruga they just say they do

>>5279553
/shmupg/ doesn't play games either they just whine about trannies.

>>5279554
/vr/doesn't play games either they just whine about /shmupg/ actually knowing how to play games

>>5279595
/shmupg/ doesn't play games either they come to /vr/ to whine about jarpigs

>>5279595
this has never happened and will never hapen

>300 plus fishbites
>~0 on-topic discussion

amazing

>>5276569
Whichever one you play and want to continue playing. Have you tried MUSHA?

>>5279554
is that why one of its posters just recently won the m2 shotriggers ketsui competition beating out the japs and won a ketsui model prize? is that why a bunch of its posters can destroy loads of bmups? is that why a handful of them are top 10 scores in crimzon clover? 1 is second on satszius insane diff list and this is just for starters we had 2 posters get 600k+ scores in metal black this year, the border down westie with over 300 mill posts, guys who can 2-all ketsui and we get posts from the ddp westie record holder and i have an I score in batrider.

wot U ply?

>>5280619
Is that your life achievement? Videogame scores?

>>5273670
There's still hope, nigga.

>>5280693
>jarpig with shmuck sections
Hey I wonder if shmucksfags could beat the credits without an internet connection.

>>5280696
That's not a jarpig, though.

>>5280703
It totally is, as noted by /v/ a million times your equipped chips are more important than your ability to dodge and combo.

>>5280708
>It totally is, as noted by /v/ a million times
That's not proof of anything, go play the game. It's not a jarpig.

>>5280709
Well it's not TOTAL AND UTTER UNPLAYABLE GARBAGE so I agree, it's not a jarpig.

>>5280712
Well, it ain't that either. You seem to be having an episode so I'm just going to leave you alone for now.

>>5280719
You're right anon. I'm not even sure what we're arguing at but I must admit you're in the right here.

I THINK SHMUCKS SUCK

>>5280619
Assuming this is not bullshit (it likely is) it's really pathetic that your reward for being the best at a shump is just a shitty ship model. At least e-sports players make a decent buck out of their games.

>>5280736
it isn't it's a fact you dumb cunt.

iconoclast won the ketsui comp and now has WR in the mode he also cleared every single capcom bmup in a couple months this year all on twitch, bananamatic has a 600+ mill ddp clear a futari counterstop and a ton of others, i have i clear batrider, westie record guwange and a load of fast hardest bmup clears, amb and SER got the 600k metal black scores, t4n3 has the 300 mill border down, pazzy if he still lurks has a 500 mill + ketsui run also on youtube, kraut has a top 10 crimzon clover, 2nd place satazius insane and westie record for gensuke in guwange, even your favorite pinata ricky has a sengku aces 2-all, we also get visits from chum who has lots of super good scores, literally everybody on shmupg is knowledgeable and very competent at play.


>>5280631
no? games are just for fun anon, it's all about time management, if you stick to a game for a whilst you'll get good at it just playing an hr or 2 regularly, you dont need to over do it but you do need to THINK about your play and practice approach. There's no reason at all for it to take over your life for fuck sake. You suck because you're excuse ridden and lack discipline and effort so you make excuses and try to demonize others to feel better about how shit you are hiding behind myths of HURR U PLY ALLDAY LOSER. My other active hobbies get way more focus from me fyi.

>>5280852
>You suck because you're excuse ridden and lack discipline and
>(you) try to demonize others
magical

>>5280852
Where is the evidence that this guy is a /shmupg/ poster? I searched the archive and all I saw were casual mentions of him. I don't think anyone who isn't a retarded piece of shit posts in your general.

Looks like this guy plays "jarpigs". Yeah, confirmed bullshit then. If he posted there at all it was just one time and then he was driven off by the retardation of the posters.

>>5278234
>since they revived interest and kept shmups alive.
Not really. They shrank the market to an extreme niche audience of idiots with no standards. That isn't really surprising when you focus on making hypnotizing bullet patterns instead of good video games. You've been brainwashed by the pretty colors and are now blind to the fecal matter that is the shmup genre.

>>5280907
This guy is an active regular, main difference with /vr/ people is that he isn't a triggered mangina. Possibly because he not only enjoys those non-games, but also skill-based ones, and is very good at them to boot. Only anti-skill people have a problem with shmup fans.

>>5280881
Ask him in his streams

>>5281171
>>5281176
Again, where is the evidence. You made the claim, you prove it. I'm not going to ask shit.

>Only anti-skill people have a problem with shmup fans

No. People have a problem with shump fans because you're a bunch of obnoxious autistic fucktards. I don't have a problem with people who play fighting games, FPS, RTS, etc competitively (which take way more skill than shumps, mind you). Why is that? Because they don't behave like you do.

>>5281291
Ask in his streams for evidence coming from him...
There's no quick way to prove it, we interact with him quite often but this is something that can only be seen in context.

>>5281291
you're seriously doubting clast posts on shmupg? the fucking state of you lmfao,mate he posts everyday usually with a jap program/movie screencap. If you looked properly you'd see him often responding to me addressing him usually using the shorthand "clast". You're mad that you're wrong and we are all better fucking players than your spastic ass yet we just do it for fun.

DORK CUNT.

>>5281325
if he just thread searches for clast he'll see it easily.

>>5281330
He'll probably think that's not the real clast or some shit, I know, the desperation and insecurity of these jarpigs

>>5281291
In other words, you're OK with versus competitive but are triggered by people into competitive single player, probably because as a jarpig you can distance yourself from versus play, but feel insecure when you see someone doing well, much better than you in single player games without even taking them seriously. It's pretty transparent, honestly. Probably the same reason time attack is mocked around these places too.

>>5281349
It's normal to feel shame when you're spent so much time (in jarpigs) and money (collecting stuff you won't play) into a hobby and are still shit at it while seeing others having fun, doing well and for free lmao

Welcome to the Retro Games board, a place where you can't have a shmup (most classic game genre there is) thread without assblasted jarpig raids

>>5281354
>for free
You mean you're just emulating these games? You don't have any PCBs or cabinets? Disgusting

>>5281367
And thus the Non Playing Collector seethes

the autists that play them

>playing a single player game that isn't babby easy is autistic

>>5281385
all shmucks are babby easy. they are only "hard" when you create arbitrary rules for them such as playing to score or 1ccing.

>>5281360
The schmuck cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>5281349
>In other words, you're OK with versus competitive but are triggered by people into competitive single player, probably because
...you're assholes

>>5281397
>...you're assholes

why does this matter or affect your enjoyment of the games when they are single player and require no interaction?

>>5281393
Have you tried Omega Fighter? Or Gradius III arcade?

>>5281406
>my genre is very niche and not played by many people
>I know! I'll act like a complete retard on the retro games, this will surely cause them to be viewed more positively and played by more people

>>5281413
>retro games board

Fix'd

>>5281413
This is how it goes
>Shmup thread
>Guy enters and says: I don't get these games
>Shmup player says: try 1CC/scoring to get the most out of these
>OMG RETARD ELITIST

>>5281419
Well yeah - it's hard, and it's an arbitrary ruleset added to make the game hard. It's like being in a community of Mario speedrunners and looking down on those who just play Mario casually from time to time.

>>5281430
Shmups are really built around 1cc/scoring, they become stale very quickly if credit fed without thought, which is why this is suggested to enjoy them, particularly to people started or those who don't get the appeal of the genre. This is why you either see people that don't care about these or people into 1cc/scoring
Mario is perfectly playable without speedrunning, in fact SMB must be 1CC'd to reach the end unless you're using a cheat code to continue. A lot of shmups meanwhile become completely mindless if you continue without consequences, giving a bad impression.

>>5281461
to people who just started*
Also, it's quite silly to call scoring arbitrary when there are many arcades whose entire point is to score, and then you have later shmups with very complicated and deliberate scoring mechanics which in many cases are mandatory since they lock the real final boss or a further loop behind getting a high enough score, which also means not continuing because that resets your score. Time attack on the other hand is a self imposed challenge the games are not deliberately built around, except in racing games.

>>5281461
Right, I get that, but when you have a game that requires pushing yourself in order to get enjoyment out of it you're going to get a player base that enjoys pushing themselves. People play video games for different reasons and shmups are always going to be a niche thing because of human nature. I don't begrudge people for only playing JRPGs, or only playing MOBAs or whatever. Everyone's different

>>5281419
Quite the fantasy novel you've started there, let me try my hand at historical fiction:

>somebody says: "I like Thing"
>douche: "only retards like Thing, what have you even 1cc'd"
>*700 posts about which game is hardest*

This is why Ikaruga is such a popular meme here

>>5281470
This divide is why we really need a separate board for arcade games, the community is entirely different and sees games in a totally different way. /vr/, rather than focusing on arcade culture which would make sense, is mainly about stuff like JRPGs (genre that didn't become popular worldwide until the late 90's, the tail end of the legality of the board, and is the least retro one in design that's widely discussed), a shame if understandable these days.
>shmups are always going to be a niche thing because of human nature.
They were the most popular arcade games in the 80's until the fighting game craze

>>5281480
Show a thread where this happens

>>5281481
So you can run out of content and spam about trannies and liberals just like how did with /shmupg/

>>5281495
Would still be better than having 5 threads about the same Final Fantasy game on the catalog

>>5281481
>They were the most popular arcade games in the 80's until the fighting game craze
I see. I didn't even know that - I was born in the mid-80's so the fighting game craze was my introduction to the arcade world. I've been huge into Street Fighter for as long as I can remember, but I grew up with console platformers and RPGs. A different board might be a good idea, but there's also the retro PC games crowd, which I also have nothing in common with.

>>5281461
>>5281469
Why does it have to be a 1cc though? You know that's way too fucking hard and tedious for someone who doesn't have the autism required to sit down and play the same sections over and over. If you were at an arcade you'd simply be playing it until you ran out of quarters. That's how all arcade games are designed. I certainly wouldn't try to 1cc anything if I were at an arcade. It would cost an absurd amount of money.

>>5281496
Newfag who can't filter.

>>5281497
You must have noticed at least that there used to be a lot of these games, both in arcade and in console (until the 16-bit generation), this is the reason why. Still, you probably don't know about this because most of the younger crowd who's getting into old games has RPGs as its gateway as, again, it's one of the closest genres to what comes out now, with popular recent titles such as Persona V, Dragon Quest XI, the Pokémon entries or Octopath Traveller, thus the new blood infused to retro discussion is mostly this. Shmups were a gen X thing and after that it became niche as games shifted from skill-focused to the opposite and with the next generations being raised on those non-games, sans for the aforementioned outliers. JRPGs are the millenial thing (FFVII, Pokémon), then the gen Z grew up with online stuff like MOBAs, taking your example.

>>5281503
1CC being too hard is a myth, there are easy and hard 1CCs, and overall they're not that hard. People are just used to playing with 0 actual effort, so just a tiny bit seems massive to them. Check my pic, this is a list of very easy arcade shmup 1CCs. Noobs to the genre are able to 1CC Batsugun Special Version within a day. I know because I've recommended the game to noobs and I've seen them play it.
>If you were at an arcade you'd simply be playing it until you ran out of quarters.
You've never been to arcades. Unless you were rich, you made the most out of your coins. If you dump 10 quarters into the same machine you're getting less time out of them than in 10 different 1CC attempts.
>That's how all arcade games are designed.
False, check games where you can't continue, such as the popular Gradius series.

Honestly, it's amazing how many misconceptions you have about shmups and arcades, and all the misinfo around. Fucking anti-skill shilling has worked too well.

>>5281506
>filtering the entire board

>>5281518
Ain't reading all that.

>>5281520
This is what you always do when confronted with actual substantiated replies. What next, report time? This pic >>5281385

>>5281525
You are disgusting, I can't stand reading your posts

>>5281529
SEETHING jarpig
go, call the mods, remove the scary shmupfag

>>5281532
Nah I don't even play games, because I'm not a baby.

>>5281518
The idea that JRPGs aren't games doesn't sit well with me. Technically even a VN is a game.

I've always had a passing interest in shmups but I've only recently tried playing a few seriously. Rather than move onto new games I've broadened my retro horizons as I've gotten older. I can't just keep replaying FFT over and over.

>>5281536
They have some game elements but they're diluted and compromised in several ways.

>>5281543
It's hilarious how you can't admit they are superior to kiddie spaceships.

dedicate your life to seething at shmups

>>5281550
You seethe just as hard at Final Fantasy, big boy.

>>5281545
No game genre is superior or inferior retard. In fact the shmup fan has an argument for his genre being superior because it does in fact require more skill to get good at. JRPGs aren't a genre you play to be challenged, you play them to experience the story, customize your party and progress through levelups. You're just triggered because you feel bullied

>>5281481
>>5281518
Sorry to tell you, but people only played shumps back then because there was nothing better. They are not enjoyable to someone who doesn't like playing the same shit over and over.

>>5281552
Visual Novels played in the original language are clearly superior to your repetitive grindy skinner box trash.

>>5281554
>clearly
Enlighten me

>>5281560
No point arguing with retards.

>>5281553
So you've never replayed a JRPG? You're a one and done kinda guy? Because I've replayed Final Fantasy Tactics more times than I can count. Or does that not count because it's an RPG?

>>5281553
>Talks about playing the same shit over and over
>Grinding an RPG on the other screen

>>5281552
They are scared and insecure for some reason.

>>5281553
There were many other genres, including RPGs in the 80's. RPGs didn't take off for a while here, it took them to become simpler and/or more cinematic in the late 90's for that.

>>5281554
Different medium, can't compare reading to playing

>>5281564
>Or does that not count because it's an RPG?
I guess his issue is that you're not forced to replay a RPG where shmups are very rarely beatable blind.

>>5281520
I CAN'T HEAR YOUUU LALALALALA

>>5281578
This but unironically. It's useless to argue with shmucksfans since they've dedicated their lives to reaching arbitrary numbers on a screen, they're not gonna hear your side of the story no matter how many arguments you make.

>>5281564
Very rarely. I think I only replayed a few from my childhood. They don't have replay value at all.

>>5281570
Never played any where grinding is obligatory to progress. The repetitiveness of shumps is more comparable to grinding in Korean MMOs.

>>5281503
Because it's a simple standard people can agree on that devs balanced the games around, anything else would be weird arbitrary shit. People limit credits because otherwise most games have no challenge since credit feeding was a way to milk casuals who had little longterm interest in the games

>>5281585
Yet you'll never stop SEETHING in shmup threads

>>5281591
>so anti-skill he thinks that improving yourself in a game is the same as grinding to progress your character's strength

>>5281591
So what do you play now?

>>5281591
>They don't have replay value at all.
This is why we dislike these games, dipshit. Even you admit this. Arcade fans value replayability the most.

>>5281596
I'm repeatedly putting you in your place. Besides shitposting is more fun than playing videogames for babies.

>>5281597
he's dedicating his life to hating on shmups on this board apparently lmao see here >>5281604

>>5281413
again why do you need anyone to be a certain way for YOU to enjoy the games? you're playing a game not joining a tribe.

>>5281603
>emulate
>replay games
So the issue is that you're poor.

>>5281604
Ironically these threads have made more people get into shmups recently

>>5281607
That is rich coming from someone who dedicates his life to flashy numbers on a screen.

>>5281610
I wouldn't play other games anyway these days, they're the ones I enjoy the most regardless. Dumb argument since I could be emulating RPGs too but I don't.

>>5281614
Great, more reasons to shitpost and destroy your anus.

>>5281614
this kills the jarpigs

>>5281618
I'd love if you played more games instead of bitching about liberals. But we all know what is your real addiction, you're addicted to shitposting.

>>5281617
but I'm not a score player, and what's wrong with that anyway? Is reading an anime story the only valid gameplay or what

>>5281624
Calling them jarpigs is really incorrect as they clearly admit here that they don't even play video games, they're just anti-skill shitposters >>5281604

Plenty of fans of video games enjoy both genres

>>5281625
I haven't mentioned liberals a single time here lmao

>>5281626
I got a few 1ccs and decided it wasn't for me.
That's the thing, there is nothing wrong with being a casual. Surely you can understand this SIMPLE ONE WAY thought?

>>5281631
>believing everything a troll says
Instead focus on what he does: he shits on shmups while either praising or being neutral on JRPGs.

>>5281631
Jarpig is used for anti-skill people, not fans of JRPGs, at least in this context.

>>5281636
I shit on jarpigs too, kek. I want to destroy this shitty board.

>>5281639
>I shit on jarpigs
Suuure you do

>>5281642
Seething. Kek

>>5281596
I didn't say it was the same, but it's equally boring and repetitive to me.

>>5281603
Arcade games are like 20 minutes long, dipshit. RPGs are usually hundreds of hours long. Apples to oranges.

>>5281634
Getting 1CCs is as casual as it gets, you can play a few minutes a day and get some. By casual you actually mean anti-skill

>>5281643
I do I use your own arguments to turn more people against you and sit back and watch you fight. You're my dancing monkeys.

>>5281654
Yeah, but all with the goal of ultimately shitting on shmups and the people that like them... We know.

>>5281652
Some 1cc like Golden Axe are actually easier than console games. I'm only anti-skill because it derails and wrecks your thread.

>>5281617
Why do you think that though? There is no evidence or reason to think that, something appears to be broken with your brain.

Noone's talking about "life's achievement". If someone takes up drawing and draws something pretty well do you say "oh look at this guy and his life's achievement". If someone wins a contest like at eating quickly or wins a chess/cards/dart/snooker tournament are you going to come at them "oh look at these life's achievement guys". You're coming off as like a crazy person or something. Just because you have some inexplicable rage for no apparent reason against shmups, possibly because you tried them and sucked so bad - I don't know if that's the case but there must be some reason for it. I don't even play them myself. Like was said earlier in the thread, the anti-shmup people are clearly a lot more imbalanced than the actual shump community.

>>5281642
I unironically think the NES is the best console ever

>>5281658
>>5281658
My goal is to bring the overall quality of /vr/ down and you're helping me out.

>>5281648
Hundreds of hours of bloated garbage with tons of non-game filler that is only enjoyed by storyfags and progressfags

>>5281665
Better than grinding for world records that don't even count because you play on emulators.

>>5281661
The mere sight of people playing shmups while having fun and being able to do stuff he couldn't do in his dreams while not taking the games seriously makes people like these very insecure, thus they want us out of the board.

>>5281672
>having fun
This has never happened to a shmuckpig

>>5281670
Not all play for score and very few for WR it's all just personal fun

>>5281673
>if you aren't reading an anime story and getting experience points you aren't having fun

>>5281664
Someone ban this person please.

>>5281675
>not all play for score
Exactly, and there is nothing wrong with that. My point is that there is NOTHING WRONG about being a self admitted casual. I had my hardcore phase in 2011 and decided it wasn't for me, I'm done. Now I only play for personal goals.

>>5281681
>WAAAAAH MODS PLS STOP THE BULLIES I MADE A POO POO

>>5281682
>Now I only play for personal goals.
This is pretty much (almost) the entire shmup community though.

>>5281690
GEE WASN'T THAT EASY TO UNDERSTAND

>>5281675
Shmucks are not fun to someone who isn't on the spectrum. It's comparable to speedrunning. It's for extreme autists only.

let's face it though the genre is fucking dead, no new players or developers are coming up
say what you want about bullet hell moeshit but at least it held the genre on life support on the early 2010s now there is nothing new coming out, everything has been discussed to death and it's fucking depressing

>>5281705
Good. This shitty genre should've died long ago already. It's a relic of game design of the 80s, where people only played them at the time because there was nothing better. Beat 'em ups and run 'n guns are more way more fun and they died earlier.

>>5281716
Most of the people who bought R-type didn't get past stage 3. It tricks your brain into thinking you're acquiring skill when in fact you're only memorizing enemies spawn.

>>5281705
Who cares though, there's so many high quality games out that the genre will keep you occupied until you burn out anyway. Most other genres can only dream of this

>>5281716
Do you play them though? :')
After all there is barely any story or progress hook .. how can a game like that be fun to play?

>>5281725
It's ironic because the community only plays the same handful of games while hating on everything else SPECIALLY ANYTHING NEW.
You're hipsters, it's obvious from how you hate Ikaruga just for being popular.

>>5281724
>Most of the people who bought Street Fighter V didn't make it to Gold rank online. It tricks your brain into thinking you're acquiring skill when in fact you're only memorizing combos and frame data.

>>5281726
>there is no story or progress
I play Burunyanman and Tyrian
Your argument is invalid

>>5281731
>>Most of the people who bought Street Fighter V didn't make it to Gold rank online
But that is correct. I bought USFIV and barely played online